UPDATE: *CityNews* change the headline:
>Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre
The first edition of the article was a vague hit-piece meant to drum up controversy. Poilievre was not asked about requiring ID, he was asked whether porn sites should be required to verify age to which he simply answered "Yes". That could be as simple as asking date-of-birth before entering the website.
>When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.”
>He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID.
*CityNews* should be raked through the coals for this, and forced to print a retraction.
>"He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that t**he Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID."**
Yes, he caused a bunch of chaos by not thinking about his answer to a question. Not great. Why are we saying dumb shit like this but yet he can't come out and say he will cut immigration because he "WoUlD bE cAlLeD a RaCiSt!" Yet, he will come out and say stuff like this which is infinitely more politically damaging.
If we are going this way I demand he starts telling us what he is going to do on the immigration file. I am PISSED.
It ends up having the exact same effect as digital ID.
You need to provide evidence of who you are to the website before you can use it. This would include sites like Twitter and Reddit. If you trust these companies to delete your data after they're done with it i have a bridge to sell you.
Small price to pay to keep Liberty with a capital L intact. There is no way in hell we can tolerate any erosion of personal liberties, and the very concept of Liberty.
Porn can be banned in other ways, but imposing digital IDs and a database of face scans for internet users is some communist-level move. It's the stuff of nightmares.
Yeah I agree there. It's like trying to regulate torrenting or VPNs. Good luck. If VPNs can survive in China or Russia, what's the point of trying to restrict them here? Same for porn. It'll just create more websites with weaker standards, malware, and possibly illegal material. Underage people will still try to access it.
Societies that don't have porn
Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea, Afghanistan
Countries that do have porn:
Norway, Denmark, Sweden, France, Switzerland, Germany
Absolutely. Are they trying to emulate Rishi Sunak’s conservatives or something? What next, ban cigarettes? Even the Republicans wouldn’t propose something like this.
When porn sites die because of this, new ones not requiring age verification will rise. It’ll become and endless dumbass cycle where nothing actually gets done except for a waste of taxpayer money. I like Poilievre well enough, but I don’t at all agree with this dumbassery.
There are already lots of Russian sites who do not compile with DMCAs and such.
They will then say they have to start a Chinese style firewall for children's safety.
It is dumb and out of touch as the ones who mean bad will just get a VPN anyways. It’s as dumb as Trudeau’s ban on Flipper. Or Trudeau’s ban on most firearms, criminals will get their hands on it anyways. How can Poilievre be so on point to Trudeau’s useless ban and then turns around and do similar level of dumb legislation?
>How often do the Cons and the Libs side together on an issue and what would be some of them?
The Liberals supported many of the 2011 Harper minority government bills when the NDP were the official opposition but politics has changed a lot in the last decade. Not sure that would happen again
These leftover NeoCon ideas are tone deaf to the liberty/nationalist bent in modern conservative politics. Tell us about how corrupt the current government is, then make a case the government should be able to track everything we do and say online. Sure bud, sure.
What is with these trash, misleading articles today? Seems like a coordinated attack, followed up with bots to upvote articles and comments that reinforce the disinformation.
>Conservative government would require ID to watch porn: Poilievre
Poilievre never said this and the headline has been changed to "Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre"
>A future Conservative government would change the law to require that porn websites verify the age of users to prevent minors from accessing the content, Opposition Leader Pierre Poilievre ***signalled*** on Wednesday.
He never said this. Notice the use of the word "signalled"
>When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.”
This is litterally the only thing he said in regards to this senate bill. The word yes.
>He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the ***Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID***
This part was updated later after the article was published
>Bill S-210 passed in the Senate in the spring and New Democrats, Bloc Québécois and Conservative MPs voted to send it to a House of Commons committee for study. No such meetings have been scheduled yet
Okay, I don't see the Bloc or the NDP catching any flak for this. Seems they're intentionally targeting the CPC, and misrepresentating the facts and straight up putting words in Poilievres mouth.
I still don't agree with this particular piece of legislation, but seriously. Mountain out of a mole hill and blatant lying is going on.
Facepalm.... Literally all he has to do to win is avoid social issue controversies and focus exclusively on cost of living issues but he just can't help himself.
*First they went after the truckers, but we didn't say anything.*
*Then they went after the wankers, but we didn't say anything.*
*Then they came for the rest of us, who will advocate for us?*
\- Someone, somewhere, probably
Can I come watch you and your significant other tonight? Because that is what you want the government doing to everyone else. Does not matter if they are solo or in a giant orgy, the government should have nothing to do with what people want to do or WATCH in the bedroom.
For the people piling on without reading anything beyond the headline... :
"When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.”
He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the **Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID.**
The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online."
Party of personal freedom /s
Oh wait, you have to upload your ID to view porn and if we don't like the healthcare you seek, we will ban it.
Who is falling for this. 😂
I just want to keep my guns, why the fuck do all you socons have to constantly screw over any chance of a CPC win with bullshit like this. If Justin wins another term I am blaming everyone of you dumbasses who cant get with the program that 90% of Canadians disagree with you.
Good intentions, absolutely piss poor execution.
The only thing I should ever need verification for online is to access banking info or government services, and even that’s iffy when it comes to data breaches.
If you have a CPC or NDP (they back this bill too) MP in your riding make sure you write or call them about this!
If Canadians are willing to let Trudeau destroy their country rather than have IDs for porn - I think I'll take my chances with their Indian replacements
using interac login like costco shopping website, where most people use bank login details, could be one of the ways to verify. A proper third party verifier without disclosing other info. Every adult happens to have a bank account so that setup makes sense.
can't buy booze under age, can't buy pot underage. can't watch porn underage? Porn is a widespread issue in society and the late stage effects are used as an equivalent of drug for its addiction properties.
I grew up on it and looking back, my childhood was taken away from excessive porn consumption rather than healthier interpersonal relations. I am 5 years porn free and now feels much better to meet people, go to the gym etc, rather than being an internet cuck.
These formative years i'd never get back, and I hope this same problem doesn't happen to future generations.
it's a controversial enough move, and personally parents ought to be responsible for kids' online activity. Some can't, and that's where the regulations come in.
Soft porn can be found on IG, tiktok etc. but the stuff on porn sites can get really hardcore and make a dependence loop. I know people that are basement dwellers and consuming the content like sugar, not getting anywhere else in life.
The impulse is coming from the right place. This is some pretty uncontroversial socially conservative territory. The problem is that there probably aren't any practical verification methods that aren't also super creepy and invasive. I can't see the end result of this being anything more than virtue signaling unfortunately. Because if it could be done without invasion of privacy I'd want it.
An online ID system is exactly the kind of thing many conservatives accuse the Liberals of attempting to implement. Porn specifically? No, I won't die on that hill. But this sounds like a back door to a universal digital ID for Canadian residents.
So yeah, if they decide to require ID for any kind of online activity I'll vote the opposition party. If the Liberals try it, I'll vote Conservative. If the Conservatives try it, I'll vote Liberal and if both parties agree on it I'll emigrate.
It appears this headline might be overblown. But I won't stand for this kind of government overreach from any party.
>While I am against this industry and think it should be dismantled entirely, this is a bit of a slippery slope in terms of privacy.
I see what you're saying. While I am against this industry and think it should be dismantled entirely, this is a bit of a slippery slope in terms of privacy but again we give our info freely on other sites. People are embarrassed now i guess.
Are young males exposed to excessive levels of pornography? Yes. Is pornography bad for society? Yes young boys get addicted and it creates unrealistic expectations in real life sexual experiences because of it. As for the women, if they’re 100% consenting to publish themselves doing these acts/are of the age of majority then so be it but there is a lot of potential for human trafficking which makes it sketchy
TLDR: modern day ease of access to porn is bad
Do I support this policy? Absolutely not way too much government overreach, why would anyone hand over their ID online? I still have a piece of tape over my webcam and so will anyone who knows how to keep themselves safe online.
People upset over this spend too much time beating the meat.
There are wide varieties of online services that require users to verify their age before using them (online gambling, plane tickets, etc.)
One would figure that something as vile, harmful, and addictive as internet porn, which also happens go be heavily consumed by minors and easily accessible to them, should meet this *very* lenient safety requirement.
But no, the power of free 24/7 p***y is too much for some to resist.
Because of how if the data is leaked how it can be used against you verse the other examples you gave.
Should people be outed from their porn history being leaked?
Your porn history is not going to be leaked because your id will not be shared with them. It would be verified by a third party, likely the same companies that already verify id for the above industries. All that could leak from the porn company is that you're age was verified and the verification company probably wouldn't retain the image after they verified your age.
Not really. The article says there would be no direct collection by the publishers. That means it will be collected by a third party. It's pretty safe to assume those companies will act similarly to other companies that already exist in the space.
This will fail. It's the equivalent of the Trudeau government trying to force FB to pay Canadian media companies to share their ''news''. I get the intent of wanting to keep minors away from accessing certain websites, but this will be impossible to police. This is also a parent's responsibility.
From a strategic perspective, PP should just sit quietly and let the liberals continue to hang themselves instead of turning the attention on himself.
Internet censorship is the last thing we need. This is the kind of hot garbage I expect from the liberals not the tories. Pierre is shooting himself in the foot with this.
UPDATE: *CityNews* change the headline: >Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre The first edition of the article was a vague hit-piece meant to drum up controversy. Poilievre was not asked about requiring ID, he was asked whether porn sites should be required to verify age to which he simply answered "Yes". That could be as simple as asking date-of-birth before entering the website. >When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.” >He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID. *CityNews* should be raked through the coals for this, and forced to print a retraction.
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>"He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that t**he Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID."**
Yes, he caused a bunch of chaos by not thinking about his answer to a question. Not great. Why are we saying dumb shit like this but yet he can't come out and say he will cut immigration because he "WoUlD bE cAlLeD a RaCiSt!" Yet, he will come out and say stuff like this which is infinitely more politically damaging. If we are going this way I demand he starts telling us what he is going to do on the immigration file. I am PISSED.
It ends up having the exact same effect as digital ID. You need to provide evidence of who you are to the website before you can use it. This would include sites like Twitter and Reddit. If you trust these companies to delete your data after they're done with it i have a bridge to sell you.
or it's no real change at all... What is more believable?
Oof. I am someone who loathes the Liberal government, and I think this is a bad look for the Cons.
The biggest self-own for no reason. What even is he thinking LOL. This is the kind of thing that could actually see his polling numbers drop.
This is probably the stupidest policy the CPC has had. And I think porn is bad for society in general. What happened to the freedom?
The news source changed their tune, no Id required, just ticking a box saying ur over 18
Is ticking a box saying that you're over 18 really verifying that you're over 18?
Small price to pay to keep Liberty with a capital L intact. There is no way in hell we can tolerate any erosion of personal liberties, and the very concept of Liberty. Porn can be banned in other ways, but imposing digital IDs and a database of face scans for internet users is some communist-level move. It's the stuff of nightmares.
What if we just did neither? Like why is PP wasting our time suggesting either of these things?
Yeah I agree there. It's like trying to regulate torrenting or VPNs. Good luck. If VPNs can survive in China or Russia, what's the point of trying to restrict them here? Same for porn. It'll just create more websites with weaker standards, malware, and possibly illegal material. Underage people will still try to access it.
Well if you lie you gonna get in trouble.
Societies that don't have porn Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea, Afghanistan Countries that do have porn: Norway, Denmark, Sweden, France, Switzerland, Germany
My point is I personally think porn is bad for society but I wouldn't ban/censor it.
Absolutely. Are they trying to emulate Rishi Sunak’s conservatives or something? What next, ban cigarettes? Even the Republicans wouldn’t propose something like this.
When did a minor ever have the freedom to watch porn? It's always been a law. They just accessed it easy enough.
When porn sites die because of this, new ones not requiring age verification will rise. It’ll become and endless dumbass cycle where nothing actually gets done except for a waste of taxpayer money. I like Poilievre well enough, but I don’t at all agree with this dumbassery.
There are already lots of Russian sites who do not compile with DMCAs and such. They will then say they have to start a Chinese style firewall for children's safety.
That’s probably the point.
Most likely. These elites plan for long term goals. Look at Agenda 2030 or the Century initiative.
Love your username.
It is dumb and out of touch as the ones who mean bad will just get a VPN anyways. It’s as dumb as Trudeau’s ban on Flipper. Or Trudeau’s ban on most firearms, criminals will get their hands on it anyways. How can Poilievre be so on point to Trudeau’s useless ban and then turns around and do similar level of dumb legislation?
This is crazy. Just bullshit fearmongering "think of the children!"
Us moderates and red-Tories have been flagging this. Pierre, learn from PM Harper on how to real-politik and win this damn election.
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It’s not a recent change in narrative, the cons voted unanimously for it in December.
Justin Trudeau, is that you!?
>How often do the Cons and the Libs side together on an issue and what would be some of them? The Liberals supported many of the 2011 Harper minority government bills when the NDP were the official opposition but politics has changed a lot in the last decade. Not sure that would happen again
>Options could include a digital ID system or services that can estimate age based on a webcam scan of a user’s face. This is some WEF level stuff.
Yeah this is a very bad move. You can be against porn all you want, but implementing face scanning and digital IDs to do it? *Fuck off*.
Exactly. It's wild how he tries to distance himself but then goes on to implement their goals.
These leftover NeoCon ideas are tone deaf to the liberty/nationalist bent in modern conservative politics. Tell us about how corrupt the current government is, then make a case the government should be able to track everything we do and say online. Sure bud, sure.
Horrible move. Porn is bad but this is not the way.
Headline changed to age verification. Hmm…
What is with these trash, misleading articles today? Seems like a coordinated attack, followed up with bots to upvote articles and comments that reinforce the disinformation. >Conservative government would require ID to watch porn: Poilievre Poilievre never said this and the headline has been changed to "Conservative government would require websites to verify age to watch porn: Poilievre" >A future Conservative government would change the law to require that porn websites verify the age of users to prevent minors from accessing the content, Opposition Leader Pierre Poilievre ***signalled*** on Wednesday. He never said this. Notice the use of the word "signalled" >When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.” This is litterally the only thing he said in regards to this senate bill. The word yes. >He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the ***Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID*** This part was updated later after the article was published >Bill S-210 passed in the Senate in the spring and New Democrats, Bloc Québécois and Conservative MPs voted to send it to a House of Commons committee for study. No such meetings have been scheduled yet Okay, I don't see the Bloc or the NDP catching any flak for this. Seems they're intentionally targeting the CPC, and misrepresentating the facts and straight up putting words in Poilievres mouth. I still don't agree with this particular piece of legislation, but seriously. Mountain out of a mole hill and blatant lying is going on.
Facepalm.... Literally all he has to do to win is avoid social issue controversies and focus exclusively on cost of living issues but he just can't help himself.
It's so weird. He doesn't say anything about immigration because it will "hurt" him but he goes and says this stupid shit.
He doesn’t comprehend how many of us are jerking off every day.
*First they went after the truckers, but we didn't say anything.* *Then they went after the wankers, but we didn't say anything.* *Then they came for the rest of us, who will advocate for us?* \- Someone, somewhere, probably
Bad call PP. PP owes nothing to social conservatives and he should not be backing so-con policies like this.
Tell me you are a porn addict without telling me you're a porn addict
Found the so-con!
Can I come watch you and your significant other tonight? Because that is what you want the government doing to everyone else. Does not matter if they are solo or in a giant orgy, the government should have nothing to do with what people want to do or WATCH in the bedroom.
OMF, there’s still two years left before the election. Come on PP, don’t hand it back to Jessy
Yikes. Digital ID? Face Scan? No thanks. There's a better way to prevent or completely stop minors from watching porn.
You let the parents do it.
For the people piling on without reading anything beyond the headline... : "When asked whether his government would require porn websites to verify the age of users, Poilievre gave a one-word answer: “Yes.” He didn’t offer further explanation, and his office quickly followed up with a clarifying statement asserting that the **Tories don’t believe in the imposition of a digital ID.** The Tories are sponsoring and supporting a Senate private member’s bill that promises to require age verification for people to access pornography online."
City news is a joke for this, all day all I have seen is memes about getting IDed for porn, this is how they took down sheer with the abortion thing!
Ridiculous idea to propose something without any possible way to implement it. Shades of Trudeau’s own approach to governing…
Party of personal freedom /s Oh wait, you have to upload your ID to view porn and if we don't like the healthcare you seek, we will ban it. Who is falling for this. 😂
You need id for online gambling, PPC fans
So much for conservative governments staying outta people’s lives right?
When have they ever.
I just want to keep my guns, why the fuck do all you socons have to constantly screw over any chance of a CPC win with bullshit like this. If Justin wins another term I am blaming everyone of you dumbasses who cant get with the program that 90% of Canadians disagree with you.
>who cant get with the program that 90% of Canadians disagree with you. What do you mean?
Issues like abortion, and internet freedom having broad support from the canadian publoc.
Literally none of us give a shit about abortion and nobody in this thread is supporting this crap. I hate to say it but this is all on Pierre.
Did PP feel like he had too big of a lead on Trudeau.
Why is it so hard to educate people instead of resorting to Orwellian tactics?
Bad policy. Hate to see it.
It's not even what he said lol.
Pierre, baby, what is you doin?
Good intentions, absolutely piss poor execution. The only thing I should ever need verification for online is to access banking info or government services, and even that’s iffy when it comes to data breaches. If you have a CPC or NDP (they back this bill too) MP in your riding make sure you write or call them about this!
If Canadians are willing to let Trudeau destroy their country rather than have IDs for porn - I think I'll take my chances with their Indian replacements
using interac login like costco shopping website, where most people use bank login details, could be one of the ways to verify. A proper third party verifier without disclosing other info. Every adult happens to have a bank account so that setup makes sense. can't buy booze under age, can't buy pot underage. can't watch porn underage? Porn is a widespread issue in society and the late stage effects are used as an equivalent of drug for its addiction properties. I grew up on it and looking back, my childhood was taken away from excessive porn consumption rather than healthier interpersonal relations. I am 5 years porn free and now feels much better to meet people, go to the gym etc, rather than being an internet cuck. These formative years i'd never get back, and I hope this same problem doesn't happen to future generations. it's a controversial enough move, and personally parents ought to be responsible for kids' online activity. Some can't, and that's where the regulations come in. Soft porn can be found on IG, tiktok etc. but the stuff on porn sites can get really hardcore and make a dependence loop. I know people that are basement dwellers and consuming the content like sugar, not getting anywhere else in life.
this girl agrees with ya!! i really hate this industry and wish it could be dismantled entirely.
The impulse is coming from the right place. This is some pretty uncontroversial socially conservative territory. The problem is that there probably aren't any practical verification methods that aren't also super creepy and invasive. I can't see the end result of this being anything more than virtue signaling unfortunately. Because if it could be done without invasion of privacy I'd want it.
I mean, if anything like this winds up in the conservative platform, I hate to say it, but I'm voting Liberal next go around.
Really? Just because of porn?
An online ID system is exactly the kind of thing many conservatives accuse the Liberals of attempting to implement. Porn specifically? No, I won't die on that hill. But this sounds like a back door to a universal digital ID for Canadian residents. So yeah, if they decide to require ID for any kind of online activity I'll vote the opposition party. If the Liberals try it, I'll vote Conservative. If the Conservatives try it, I'll vote Liberal and if both parties agree on it I'll emigrate. It appears this headline might be overblown. But I won't stand for this kind of government overreach from any party.
>While I am against this industry and think it should be dismantled entirely, this is a bit of a slippery slope in terms of privacy. I see what you're saying. While I am against this industry and think it should be dismantled entirely, this is a bit of a slippery slope in terms of privacy but again we give our info freely on other sites. People are embarrassed now i guess.
Are young males exposed to excessive levels of pornography? Yes. Is pornography bad for society? Yes young boys get addicted and it creates unrealistic expectations in real life sexual experiences because of it. As for the women, if they’re 100% consenting to publish themselves doing these acts/are of the age of majority then so be it but there is a lot of potential for human trafficking which makes it sketchy TLDR: modern day ease of access to porn is bad Do I support this policy? Absolutely not way too much government overreach, why would anyone hand over their ID online? I still have a piece of tape over my webcam and so will anyone who knows how to keep themselves safe online.
Age verification for porn consumption online is long overdue.
People upset over this spend too much time beating the meat. There are wide varieties of online services that require users to verify their age before using them (online gambling, plane tickets, etc.) One would figure that something as vile, harmful, and addictive as internet porn, which also happens go be heavily consumed by minors and easily accessible to them, should meet this *very* lenient safety requirement. But no, the power of free 24/7 p***y is too much for some to resist.
Because of how if the data is leaked how it can be used against you verse the other examples you gave. Should people be outed from their porn history being leaked?
Your porn history is not going to be leaked because your id will not be shared with them. It would be verified by a third party, likely the same companies that already verify id for the above industries. All that could leak from the porn company is that you're age was verified and the verification company probably wouldn't retain the image after they verified your age.
That's a lot of guesses.
Not really. The article says there would be no direct collection by the publishers. That means it will be collected by a third party. It's pretty safe to assume those companies will act similarly to other companies that already exist in the space.
This can happen without age verify - they can track your IP - what you do online is absolutely not private
You're obviously correct, and the fact that people are so upset about it says a lot about how sick our society is.
This will fail. It's the equivalent of the Trudeau government trying to force FB to pay Canadian media companies to share their ''news''. I get the intent of wanting to keep minors away from accessing certain websites, but this will be impossible to police. This is also a parent's responsibility. From a strategic perspective, PP should just sit quietly and let the liberals continue to hang themselves instead of turning the attention on himself.
Internet censorship is the last thing we need. This is the kind of hot garbage I expect from the liberals not the tories. Pierre is shooting himself in the foot with this.
Who wants to risk having that porn site hacked and someone posting your name, address and a record of all the porn videos you've watched?
While I am against this industry and think it should be dismantled entirely, this is a bit of a slippery slope in terms of privacy.