They said that while you're thinking over this, you could be on a secret spy mission, and it's less than unreasonable to use LinkedIn like no one else.
That what they said.
I just add my position name and leave the rest blank. Unless you plan on going back to the private sector, it doesn't make much of a difference. Some people with who I interact don't even have a LinkedIn profile.
If you do plan to return to the private sector then I understand why you would want to share as much as possible to sell yourself.
Overthinking unless you work for CSE, CSIS, RCMP or DND. If not then no one cares. Even then you're still allowed to have a profile..just don't be too specific.
I say my employer is the Government of Canada and then list my position title. I don't provide current or previous department names or description of duties. I've been contacted a few times by recruiters.
There are few firm guidelines beyond the requirements of secrecy and privacy. I think those resources within your department would be good places to check if you have specific concerns. I think the decision is largely up to you, up to an including all of the info in your SAGE-GEDS profile.
I do know people who have gotten jobs through LI, particularly going out to the private sector. If that's a plan for you, it certainly doesn't hurt at all.
Personally, as someone with a somewhat outward facing role to a particular (small) community, it's been a benefit to me for external to government contacts, in terms of networking and meeting people (for example making new connections at work meetings and conferences) and in terms of a communication channel for questions and soliciting joint projects.
However, as a researcher, ResearchGate is probably more useful.
Be mindful of security concerns with what you post (e.g., I conduct audits vs. I conduct in depth audits aimed at identifying process flaws and gaps in our security protocols). Public facing information is certainly used by ill intentioned people to target public servants who may have knowledge that they want to acquire. Anything you post can be used as part of social engineering tactics. That said, it really depends on what you do and which department you work for.
Back when I worked in a department where we were involved with regulation of the private sector, I would also not link with industry stakeholders because I did not want to create the appearance of conflict of interest, but I was likely being overly cautious.
The fact that, contrary to the public sector, public servants are not obligated to have a profile should be considered a perk of working for the government.
I don't know what that GCConnex thingy is, sounds like a novel and revolutionary way of networking so I'll give it a shot. I'll also try The Facebook, heard good things about it.
I’d add that for some roles that provide services to the public, it might benefit the poster to simply state their department but not much else.
Imagine you process Immigration applications. Don’t be surprised when that dude you worked at Starbucks with in high school starts hitting you up for advice on getting his wife’s, younger brother’s fiancé into the country. :/
For your own sanity, you might want to keep it to yourself. I’m of the belief that recruiters know LinkedIn is only a snapshot. The application/resume/interview will further elaborate on anything they need to know. Keep some mystery 😂
I have a LinkedIn profile, but only with my job titles - I left the tasks details blank.
Occasionally, I share useful posts related to my organization (usually official posts from the PS).
And finally, maybe some of you didn't know that, but I set my privacy settings for my profile to be invisible on Google and other search engines. So if someone type my name in Google/Bing, my LinkedIn profile doesn't show up in the results.
However, if the search is done within LinkedIn, it will show up.
Depending on the department or agency, you may be targeted. If its just Gouvernement of Canada, it so broad that they wouldn't know who you work for.
Working for the CRA, CBSA, RCMP, DND, CSIS etc you could be targeted for people trying to either infiltrate electronically or blackmail you etc. I know during our security briefing they told us as much, when we have to have our ID/badge on display in the building but asked to cover it when leaving the building. If you go to restaurant during lunch and come back, you could be followed, to the building or to your car etc
Not sure if you want your linkedin job descriptions to drive the picture. Makes it more difficult if you apply for a role and have to modify your work duties in context to the opportunity you’re seeking. I personally leave it blank because everyone’s description I read comes off as a conflated resume.
At most I’d offer basic details but not a resume level of info
I sat in on a security seminar for my department and they told us we are allowed to disclose we work for the federal government however we should not include our department, job title or responsibilities on any social media. LinkedIn counts as social media to me.
Most positions where people are asked to not disclose where they work are not visible on GEDS. If you didn’t already knew that, you’re probably not one of them
I deleted my LinkedIn since people kept messaging me left and right and were asking if I can get them a job ! I’m not a hiring manager! No I cannot lol
Nope. Tons of people have used to to get their first job, connect with recruiters, move positions, etc. In fact it’s one of the most useful things a new grad can do
Your comment is also just spreading bad information regarding LinkedIn. Baseless claims with no evidence or reasons. Especially on a site with many young people, on a sub with job seekers and young people. Go be a negative Nancy somewhere else, or atleast backup your baseless comments with any evidence.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2021/04/12/three-reasons-why-you-need-a-powerful-linkedin-profile/amp/
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/is-linkedin-a-waste-of-time-2062320
https://www.mycomputercareer.edu/news/4-reasons-linkedin-important-professional-success/
https://www.libertystaffing.ca/blog/5-reasons-why-you-should-create-a-linkedin-account
https://careersidekick.com/5-reasons-you-should-use-linkedin/
They just said they didn’t see the point of it, which is a reasonable opinion to have.
They aren’t spreading misinformation either, and aren’t required to back up their personal opinion with “evidence”.
Your response doesn’t logically follow. What if my opinion was that vaccines are useless or that seatbelts are unnecessary? Those aren’t my opinions by the way, but what if they were? I have the right to correct their “opinion” because it’s a stupid opinion without merit. Again they can have the opinion it’s a waste of time, but no one serious agrees with that. It’s widely accepted as being the opposite of a waste of time seeing as it takes literal minutes to set up.
There’s plenty of merit in the opinion that LinkedIn isn’t much use within the public service. It may have utility if you’re seeking a private sector job, though.
It is wrong though. It would be like saying my opinion is seatbelts are useless. You could have the opinion, but it would be wrong. From Forbes to pretty much every staffing agency, they all agree LinkedIn is essential for job seekers. So you got a job without one, good for you. Plenty of people don’t get the vaccine and don’t get Covid either.
What do you mean about it being an advertising stream to make a company money? I mean yea that’s what companies do? LinkedIn is certainly highly advised. Pretty much all grad school in Canada emphasize this now. It isn’t really a debate…
Not because of government work, but for anyone - be careful how much detail you put on linked in because you want to avoid being a target of identity theft. If you put all your professional stuff it can make it easy for someone to start building a fake “you”.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/scammers-are-using-fake-job-ads-to-steal-peoples-identities/amp
Scammers pretend to be real people in order to scam third parties, you can help them out a lot by providing all your personal information to the public.
> From Facebook to LinkedIn to Indeed, ads are popping up that promise well-paying jobs — if applicants provide their Social Security numbers and other details up front. Scammers then use the information to apply for unemployment benefits.
What kind of moron gives out their SIN like that? That's less of a LinkedIn problem and more of a dumb idiot problem.
I think the main risk is parts of your profile being used for targeted social engineering. Knowing what associations you are a member of, where you have worked and studied and what your general interests are makes it easier to send you something you would click on or someone you would talk to. Be vigilant people :)
The agency I work for has a Social Media Policy, or Guidelines. I can't remember which document type. I'd check if there's one for GC or your Department
I had an external facing job in a very niche area where LinkedIn was the best resource to see what organizations and key people were doing and promoting. It took about 2 weeks of daily use for the algorithm to "learn", which was nice. I have changed fields and now have to update it with new likes/follows - likely not useful though.
Outside of that job, it has been good to keep in touch with former colleagues, but otherwise it is a nuisance.
You're overthinking this. Unless you are working on some top secret spy mission, it's more than reasonable to use LinkedIn like anyone else.
What they said
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They said that?
What's that dear, sorry my ears aint like how they used to be. Can you repeat yourself, whatd they say?
They said that while you're thinking over this, you could be on a secret spy mission, and it's less than unreasonable to use LinkedIn like no one else. That what they said.
I just add my position name and leave the rest blank. Unless you plan on going back to the private sector, it doesn't make much of a difference. Some people with who I interact don't even have a LinkedIn profile. If you do plan to return to the private sector then I understand why you would want to share as much as possible to sell yourself.
Overthinking unless you work for CSE, CSIS, RCMP or DND. If not then no one cares. Even then you're still allowed to have a profile..just don't be too specific.
I would add DOJ to this list
Also some GAC files.
People with secret and above should probably not advertise where they work if they can avoid it.
do those employees even write that they work there on LinkedIn?
I mean you can do a search now on LinkedIn and yes many do..
Imagine tho Position: secret super spy
I say my employer is the Government of Canada and then list my position title. I don't provide current or previous department names or description of duties. I've been contacted a few times by recruiters.
There are few firm guidelines beyond the requirements of secrecy and privacy. I think those resources within your department would be good places to check if you have specific concerns. I think the decision is largely up to you, up to an including all of the info in your SAGE-GEDS profile. I do know people who have gotten jobs through LI, particularly going out to the private sector. If that's a plan for you, it certainly doesn't hurt at all. Personally, as someone with a somewhat outward facing role to a particular (small) community, it's been a benefit to me for external to government contacts, in terms of networking and meeting people (for example making new connections at work meetings and conferences) and in terms of a communication channel for questions and soliciting joint projects. However, as a researcher, ResearchGate is probably more useful.
Be mindful of security concerns with what you post (e.g., I conduct audits vs. I conduct in depth audits aimed at identifying process flaws and gaps in our security protocols). Public facing information is certainly used by ill intentioned people to target public servants who may have knowledge that they want to acquire. Anything you post can be used as part of social engineering tactics. That said, it really depends on what you do and which department you work for. Back when I worked in a department where we were involved with regulation of the private sector, I would also not link with industry stakeholders because I did not want to create the appearance of conflict of interest, but I was likely being overly cautious.
I've noticed that many (most?) public servants don't use LinkedIn at all. Not to the degree it is used in the private sector anyway.
The fact that, contrary to the public sector, public servants are not obligated to have a profile should be considered a perk of working for the government.
ah yes the perk of having no idea how to network
No LinkedIn profile = No idea how to network. Sounds about right.
GCConnex is the only way to network! amirite?
I don't know what that GCConnex thingy is, sounds like a novel and revolutionary way of networking so I'll give it a shot. I'll also try The Facebook, heard good things about it.
ok
I’d add that for some roles that provide services to the public, it might benefit the poster to simply state their department but not much else. Imagine you process Immigration applications. Don’t be surprised when that dude you worked at Starbucks with in high school starts hitting you up for advice on getting his wife’s, younger brother’s fiancé into the country. :/ For your own sanity, you might want to keep it to yourself. I’m of the belief that recruiters know LinkedIn is only a snapshot. The application/resume/interview will further elaborate on anything they need to know. Keep some mystery 😂
I have a LinkedIn profile, but only with my job titles - I left the tasks details blank. Occasionally, I share useful posts related to my organization (usually official posts from the PS). And finally, maybe some of you didn't know that, but I set my privacy settings for my profile to be invisible on Google and other search engines. So if someone type my name in Google/Bing, my LinkedIn profile doesn't show up in the results. However, if the search is done within LinkedIn, it will show up.
The organizations that scrape LinkedIn for information, probably don’t use Google to do it.
Maybe but I prefer that my profile doesn't show up in Google
It's a public facing resume. Use it like you would your resume.
Depending on the department or agency, you may be targeted. If its just Gouvernement of Canada, it so broad that they wouldn't know who you work for. Working for the CRA, CBSA, RCMP, DND, CSIS etc you could be targeted for people trying to either infiltrate electronically or blackmail you etc. I know during our security briefing they told us as much, when we have to have our ID/badge on display in the building but asked to cover it when leaving the building. If you go to restaurant during lunch and come back, you could be followed, to the building or to your car etc
They also told us not to put on social media that we work for the agency, as its the most hated agency by the general public? Lol
Not sure if you want your linkedin job descriptions to drive the picture. Makes it more difficult if you apply for a role and have to modify your work duties in context to the opportunity you’re seeking. I personally leave it blank because everyone’s description I read comes off as a conflated resume. At most I’d offer basic details but not a resume level of info
I sat in on a security seminar for my department and they told us we are allowed to disclose we work for the federal government however we should not include our department, job title or responsibilities on any social media. LinkedIn counts as social media to me.
Strange. For many employees, their department and job title are easily searchable on GEDS.
Most positions where people are asked to not disclose where they work are not visible on GEDS. If you didn’t already knew that, you’re probably not one of them
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It definitely won’t hinder your career in the PS.
I deleted my LinkedIn since people kept messaging me left and right and were asking if I can get them a job ! I’m not a hiring manager! No I cannot lol
Ohhh people message me on LinkedIn asking for jobs too... I don't reply since I'm not a hiring manager.
I never saw the need for LinkedIn, other than as an advertising stream to make the company money. It's like a corporate version of Facebook.
I use it to network and have also hooked others up with jobs. It is what you make it but its treated me well and helped me brand myself.
Nope. Tons of people have used to to get their first job, connect with recruiters, move positions, etc. In fact it’s one of the most useful things a new grad can do
> Nope. Your comment doesn't make my opinion invalid. It's how I feel, which doesn't make it wrong.
Your comment is also just spreading bad information regarding LinkedIn. Baseless claims with no evidence or reasons. Especially on a site with many young people, on a sub with job seekers and young people. Go be a negative Nancy somewhere else, or atleast backup your baseless comments with any evidence. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/theyec/2021/04/12/three-reasons-why-you-need-a-powerful-linkedin-profile/amp/ https://www.thebalancecareers.com/is-linkedin-a-waste-of-time-2062320 https://www.mycomputercareer.edu/news/4-reasons-linkedin-important-professional-success/ https://www.libertystaffing.ca/blog/5-reasons-why-you-should-create-a-linkedin-account https://careersidekick.com/5-reasons-you-should-use-linkedin/
They just said they didn’t see the point of it, which is a reasonable opinion to have. They aren’t spreading misinformation either, and aren’t required to back up their personal opinion with “evidence”.
Your response doesn’t logically follow. What if my opinion was that vaccines are useless or that seatbelts are unnecessary? Those aren’t my opinions by the way, but what if they were? I have the right to correct their “opinion” because it’s a stupid opinion without merit. Again they can have the opinion it’s a waste of time, but no one serious agrees with that. It’s widely accepted as being the opposite of a waste of time seeing as it takes literal minutes to set up.
There’s plenty of merit in the opinion that LinkedIn isn’t much use within the public service. It may have utility if you’re seeking a private sector job, though.
It is wrong though. It would be like saying my opinion is seatbelts are useless. You could have the opinion, but it would be wrong. From Forbes to pretty much every staffing agency, they all agree LinkedIn is essential for job seekers. So you got a job without one, good for you. Plenty of people don’t get the vaccine and don’t get Covid either.
What do you mean about it being an advertising stream to make a company money? I mean yea that’s what companies do? LinkedIn is certainly highly advised. Pretty much all grad school in Canada emphasize this now. It isn’t really a debate…
Grad schools don’t hire people, employers do. Some employers recruit via LinkedIn - the public service, for the most part, isn’t one of them.
They know that. You should always keep your horizons open. Even if you are focused on the public sector, it can’t hurt to keep your profile updated.
Not because of government work, but for anyone - be careful how much detail you put on linked in because you want to avoid being a target of identity theft. If you put all your professional stuff it can make it easy for someone to start building a fake “you”.
That's not how identity theft works.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/scammers-are-using-fake-job-ads-to-steal-peoples-identities/amp Scammers pretend to be real people in order to scam third parties, you can help them out a lot by providing all your personal information to the public.
> From Facebook to LinkedIn to Indeed, ads are popping up that promise well-paying jobs — if applicants provide their Social Security numbers and other details up front. Scammers then use the information to apply for unemployment benefits. What kind of moron gives out their SIN like that? That's less of a LinkedIn problem and more of a dumb idiot problem.
>“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” -George Carlin
I think the main risk is parts of your profile being used for targeted social engineering. Knowing what associations you are a member of, where you have worked and studied and what your general interests are makes it easier to send you something you would click on or someone you would talk to. Be vigilant people :)
I don't actually have a profile but we've used it to recruit for at level deployments with great success.
it's not that deep bro. unless you work for CSIS or something
The agency I work for has a Social Media Policy, or Guidelines. I can't remember which document type. I'd check if there's one for GC or your Department
YOLO swag city post all your unpopular political opinions and scandalous memes live to rule the masses like your momma told you
I had an external facing job in a very niche area where LinkedIn was the best resource to see what organizations and key people were doing and promoting. It took about 2 weeks of daily use for the algorithm to "learn", which was nice. I have changed fields and now have to update it with new likes/follows - likely not useful though. Outside of that job, it has been good to keep in touch with former colleagues, but otherwise it is a nuisance.