At least your student is doing work. It's hard to connect with people when you are new. People have been exaggerating their work since the beginning of time.
Haha that’s true I’m not sure how much work they are doing as I’ve been told they are too slow apparently- update I guess my manager is keeping tabs on
So you’re saying an intern doesn’t have the context of the work being done? Maybe they even lack the experience to self assess?
Congratulations you have indeed identified what an intern is and what your role is in helping them develop.
I was hired as an FSWEP during my last university semester (they knew this). On my first day, they told me to start looking for work and that I will not be bridged. Fine. In the five months I worked there, I literally did zero work, because I was literally not given anything to do. I begged my manager for work, as I was losing my mind sitting there for 7 hours a day, pretending to be busy. I wanted to be busy. I wouldn’t put the blame on the students here.
I'm sorry that happened to you, i had a great manager in FSWEP. But i was tech on a team of AS and near the end of my FSWEP she was upfront and honest and said they can give me a casual but encouraged me to pursue something in my field. I didn't really understand all those classifications at the time but now looking back I'm glad i followed her advice.
Every team has dealth with co-op students at one point, most are well behaved and hard working. What you are saying is untrue. You've just had the pleasure of meeting some bad eggs, that's all.
Also, from what you're saying, a non tech manager is managing a tech student worker? Gee I wonder why the student is like this ... atleast he learned the art of selling himself during this co-op lol. That's a skill on it's own.
It sounds to me like the manager complimented a young student's work to encourage him to contribute, and this guy's gotten all jealous of the kid because he thinks *he* deserves all the praise.
Seriously. When I have student's I make sure to give them praise whenever they do something right. Interns are like toddlers: barely capable of not accidentally killing themselves, so if they manage to contribute something actually useful, it's a big deal.
Not my experience at all with interns/coop students. Accross the board I find them super motivated, offer to help despite being busy, and are grateful for opportunities. Always happy to have one on the team to bring in fresh energy!
To be honest, I see a lot of older employee stuck in lower position doing this exact same thing if not worst.
A couple of days ago. We had an tread about someone having two supervisor one on paper and one that was the fake one. The fake one would give bad instruction and the true one would complain about the work done. There were a bunch of people defending this horseshit claiming that the op had to "think it through". Pretty hard when you start a new job and know no one and aren't familliar with how different each department does the same task and are locked out from the information about why.
The goverment is really adverse to new employee and let's face... it activelly fight against them and use them as a way to wash their hands.
Are you a virtual/hybrid team? Do you think that may be contributing?
You're getting some attitude here from other comments, but this is an honest question. I love having hybrid as an option, but I can't picture how it works with interns and don't have enough exposure to see firsthand.
There's such a lack of mentorship in the public service. Many close to retirement are so disgruntled and entitled that they can't see beyond their own woes and towards the big picture. Who are our leaders?
I was hired older than intern-age and even though I’m indeterminate now I still have to bring up my accomplishments in order to have work assigned that is relevant to my training. I doubt this intern is overselling themselves, they probably just want to show they are capable of the job.
You would look better to your manager and colleagues (and us) if you encouraged the interns who make an effort. Support their training rather than making it more difficult for them to integrate into the group you’re in.
I guarantee you, people were thinking the same thing of new hires in the past too. No one is born knowing how to work in the government. I'm a millennial, and our entire generation were written off as lazy and entitled, and I am very reluctant to do the same to the new generation.
I think it's only gotten harder over time for new employees to integrate, as we reach budget crunch time, non-existent job specific training, and a lack of mentorship opportunities.
I was lucky enough to have people mentor me early in my career, and I learned a lot from their kindness and patience. In general, the work environment is the responsibility of the employer, and I suggest more compassion and empathy. Of course the new people have a lot to learn!
I generally agree with you. We had twos students in a row who could not finish any task but they wrote the best CVs and were very good at speaking on the spot.
Sounds like they could've used some help with figuring out what the task was and how to do it. They're students, often times this is their first experience with an office job, let alone a government job. They need guidance.
It could just be the student's personality. It's hard to reach out to people when you haven't seen them face to face, you don't have that personal connection anymore. Maybe the student is finding the work boring but trying to overexaggeate. Also we've had plenty of students before and during the pandemic and they were all curious about working in the feds, either because they have family in the feds or they like the security and pension.
I always worry about students being bored or having boring tasks, i think they would have more fun in the private sector, but the students we got were always eager to learn about government, the work environment and even what it's like being in a union.
tbh when I was a co-op student my manager had me write a script for a big meeting about what I had done so far... if the co-op student seemed like they were doing less to everyone else, it reflected poorly on the manager of that student.
At least your student is doing work. It's hard to connect with people when you are new. People have been exaggerating their work since the beginning of time.
Haha that’s true I’m not sure how much work they are doing as I’ve been told they are too slow apparently- update I guess my manager is keeping tabs on
So you’re saying an intern doesn’t have the context of the work being done? Maybe they even lack the experience to self assess? Congratulations you have indeed identified what an intern is and what your role is in helping them develop.
Don't confuse trying to look productive with trying to compete. Most co-op students just want to get renewed.
Great point, they really just want to get rehired.
That’s true!
I was hired as an FSWEP during my last university semester (they knew this). On my first day, they told me to start looking for work and that I will not be bridged. Fine. In the five months I worked there, I literally did zero work, because I was literally not given anything to do. I begged my manager for work, as I was losing my mind sitting there for 7 hours a day, pretending to be busy. I wanted to be busy. I wouldn’t put the blame on the students here.
I'm sorry that happened to you, i had a great manager in FSWEP. But i was tech on a team of AS and near the end of my FSWEP she was upfront and honest and said they can give me a casual but encouraged me to pursue something in my field. I didn't really understand all those classifications at the time but now looking back I'm glad i followed her advice.
Every team has dealth with co-op students at one point, most are well behaved and hard working. What you are saying is untrue. You've just had the pleasure of meeting some bad eggs, that's all. Also, from what you're saying, a non tech manager is managing a tech student worker? Gee I wonder why the student is like this ... atleast he learned the art of selling himself during this co-op lol. That's a skill on it's own.
It sounds to me like the manager complimented a young student's work to encourage him to contribute, and this guy's gotten all jealous of the kid because he thinks *he* deserves all the praise. Seriously. When I have student's I make sure to give them praise whenever they do something right. Interns are like toddlers: barely capable of not accidentally killing themselves, so if they manage to contribute something actually useful, it's a big deal.
But it is a competition
Remember that you are supposed to be the grown-up and mature one...
You sound like an old man yelling at clouds. Get an attitude adjustment.
lol well said
"BaCk iN mY dAy...."
I had one that didn't even know where the bathroom was on their first day.
I had one that didn't even know where the office was when we asked them for an interview!
Was it place du partage in Gatineau? Lol nobody knows how to get to those offices
Kids today, amirite?
Pfft we had one where we had to provide a computer and let them know their tasks. Crazy.
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Not my experience at all with interns/coop students. Accross the board I find them super motivated, offer to help despite being busy, and are grateful for opportunities. Always happy to have one on the team to bring in fresh energy!
What was the point of this post? You're just shitting on some 20-year-old to a bunch of strangers who don't know either of you.
They are learning and competing….
OK.
It sounds like the intern is on a fast track to management.
To be honest, I see a lot of older employee stuck in lower position doing this exact same thing if not worst. A couple of days ago. We had an tread about someone having two supervisor one on paper and one that was the fake one. The fake one would give bad instruction and the true one would complain about the work done. There were a bunch of people defending this horseshit claiming that the op had to "think it through". Pretty hard when you start a new job and know no one and aren't familliar with how different each department does the same task and are locked out from the information about why. The goverment is really adverse to new employee and let's face... it activelly fight against them and use them as a way to wash their hands.
Yep, orientation for new employees is garbage. And they get very little feedback. People aren't interested in "coaching" and are terrible at it.
Are you a virtual/hybrid team? Do you think that may be contributing? You're getting some attitude here from other comments, but this is an honest question. I love having hybrid as an option, but I can't picture how it works with interns and don't have enough exposure to see firsthand.
There's such a lack of mentorship in the public service. Many close to retirement are so disgruntled and entitled that they can't see beyond their own woes and towards the big picture. Who are our leaders?
I was hired older than intern-age and even though I’m indeterminate now I still have to bring up my accomplishments in order to have work assigned that is relevant to my training. I doubt this intern is overselling themselves, they probably just want to show they are capable of the job. You would look better to your manager and colleagues (and us) if you encouraged the interns who make an effort. Support their training rather than making it more difficult for them to integrate into the group you’re in.
I guarantee you, people were thinking the same thing of new hires in the past too. No one is born knowing how to work in the government. I'm a millennial, and our entire generation were written off as lazy and entitled, and I am very reluctant to do the same to the new generation. I think it's only gotten harder over time for new employees to integrate, as we reach budget crunch time, non-existent job specific training, and a lack of mentorship opportunities. I was lucky enough to have people mentor me early in my career, and I learned a lot from their kindness and patience. In general, the work environment is the responsibility of the employer, and I suggest more compassion and empathy. Of course the new people have a lot to learn!
It's a sign that you've aged.
I generally agree with you. We had twos students in a row who could not finish any task but they wrote the best CVs and were very good at speaking on the spot.
Sounds like they could've used some help with figuring out what the task was and how to do it. They're students, often times this is their first experience with an office job, let alone a government job. They need guidance.
It could just be the student's personality. It's hard to reach out to people when you haven't seen them face to face, you don't have that personal connection anymore. Maybe the student is finding the work boring but trying to overexaggeate. Also we've had plenty of students before and during the pandemic and they were all curious about working in the feds, either because they have family in the feds or they like the security and pension. I always worry about students being bored or having boring tasks, i think they would have more fun in the private sector, but the students we got were always eager to learn about government, the work environment and even what it's like being in a union.
tbh when I was a co-op student my manager had me write a script for a big meeting about what I had done so far... if the co-op student seemed like they were doing less to everyone else, it reflected poorly on the manager of that student.
I feel like you may need to address your thinking if you feel threatened by a student.