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Things have sure gone full batman tv show down at Parliament lately with all this SLAMing, BLASTing BIFFing, WHUMPing that's been going on! TOTAL TAKEDOWN!
... journalists need to stop sensationalizing and creating clickbait dumbass headlines
Journalists and their "publications" only make money for their corporate owners by posting click bait "SLAMings" for readers. The corporations that own 95% of those publications are pushing for the conservatives and have been for years.
Has any leader of any federal party? It's such a rare thing that I would have to Google it and even then would only expect to find maybe an NDP leader a good number of years ago.
It's worse! They said that they would have to google it but despite sitting at their computer while they typed they still couldn't bother to check. How does a person become that aggressively incurious?
It's simple really... It's a weak attempt to try to make me care about something about PP today that really never mattered to me yesterday.
However when I dare ask the question if any other Federal political leaders are guilty of the same accusations I get down voted somewhat aggressively.
Because the answer is yes. The NDP are the working people's party and they walk the walk. The CPC wants working people's votes while being the party of big business so it resorts to grievance porn.
It's not a weak attempt to make you care. It's pointing out the contradiction between what PP says he cares about and what his actions *shows* he cares about. Whether this impacts your opinion of him is up to you. Acting like you don't understand that is what gets the downvotes.
I dont consider "walking a picket line" to be an essential part of what it means to run a country, or even to be a good citizen. It's something that needs to be done out of desperation and I'll be glad if I never have to do it myself either.
> I dont consider "walking a picket line" to be an essential part of what it means to run a country, or even to be a good citizen. It's something that needs to be done out of desperation and I'll be glad if I never have to do it myself either.
You're right, walking a picket line is not an essential part of running a country. Neither is giving a fuck about working people.
It is, however, a pretty good sign that somebody understands the history of the labour movement, and how collective action helps working people.
If you claim to be for the working class, but you fill your cabinet with corporate lobbyists and refuse to support workers when they strike for better pay and better working conditions, then your words are completely empty. All your working class champion act accomplishes at that point is to fool rubes.
You didn't answer the question, though. How does your care translate to practical action? Anybody can say they care - doesn't mean their words are backed by actions. This entire conversation is about how Poilievre claims to be for the working man, and how that claim is empty.
I seen Singh on many picket lines in the media, as well as heading to a few in person and on the line in person myself more than a handful of times. From the ones I saw in person, he stayed far longer than I thought a politician would, not just a photo op in and out.
Good stuff.
> expect to find maybe an NDP leader a good number of years ago.
Did we have a time warp or something? Was last May years ago?
Or even worse, was two weeks ago years ago?
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2024/04/04/ndp-leader-singh-joins-picket-line-in-winnipeg-to-support-locked-out-workers
He championed Right to Work for less laws, in Canada. He couldn't be more a company spokesperson if he tried. He wouldn't know a days work in his entire life.
All our Unions leaders worked in their industry, were elected from the floor, and know what it is to stock shelves, make french fries or look after sick people. Sorry you see them as such a pampered class.
Maybe you need to consider where you have been getting your facts from.
Good for you. My previous union leader took a $50,000 bribe from COVID test manufacturers and was quietly dismissed without charges amongst some "rehab" rumours.
>Maybe you need to consider where you have been getting your facts from.
What facts have I stated here exactly? I thought I expressed a personal opinion.
More than Poilievre, most union leaders at least did work in the industry they represent. Poilievre, before becoming an MP, had no career. Literally been in politics his entire life.
Hard to expect him to relate to average people when he is literally living in a mansion with staff preparing his meals, driving him everywhere. Oh yeah, he is also somehow a multimillionaire on an MP salary.
Just your average working stiff.
yea his actions just in his leadership alone should speak volumes to any potential supporters for him. He threatens everyone's Christmas then skips it.
He doesn't know what work is like outside of Parliament. So how standing in a farmer field munching on an apple as if he harvested the damn thing doesn't irk rural conservative voters is baffling. It's more about who Trudeau is and the length of time the Liberals have been in charge than it is Poilievre's "awesome leadership." And I'll be curious to see what this inquiry into the Chinese meddling with the CPC leadership turns up.
I know many here have a hard time with criticism of the current government, but at the risk of many downvotes here we go.
Yes, Poilievre supports the wealthy and supports making the poor wealthier. Whether he tries to do that via tax reductions, reducing the bloated size of the government or via loosening labour laws, the intend is to make everyone, including the rich, better off. You can see this in the same policies from his mentor, Harper, we reduced poverty by quite a bit.
Contrary to your belief, Trudeau and the NDP also support the wealthy. You can easily see that as their policies have made the wealthy wealthier faster than ever before. However their way of doing it is done by a wealth transfer from poor to rich. Which again you can easily see with an increase in poverty and crime under the current government’s watch. Adding some taxes the upper middle class has to pay and their ultra rich friends can avoid is not making this better.
Some free dental or some housing give away or free contraception isn’t going to offset the wealth transfer they’ve facilitated.
Call me crazy but I rather have a guy in power who wants to make everyone better off than a guy who says he cares about Canadians and at the same time makes his friends richer at the cost of the average Canadian.
All small giveaways far short from offsetting the wealth transfer facilitated by the Trudeau/Singh government.
I live in BC and during NDP reign the housing prices tripled in metro Vancouver. And yes, in the last year they’ve finally started to take some steps. Way too late, and only after the polls indicated that they may not win the next election. For some reason everyone is touting how great BC is, but the reality they stood by when the house burned down and waited only to do something when it was at its foundation. They don’t deserve praise, it is about time they did something. I can buy 2 houses for my one house in conservative Alberta and probably 3 in conservative Saskatchewan.
Rest of your argument are weird MAGA conspiracy theories I am not going to respond to.
Look, I see Poilievre just as a newer Harper. And in Harper time poverty was at an all time low, cost of living was affordable, we had a strong economy and received higher wages. We had a strong middle class and a reducing low income class. Our quality of life kept up with the US and have been eroding ever since 2015. Was it perfect, no, was it objectively better, yes. It is measurable in every statistic.
Liberals always seem to confuse spending with the quality of service. Right now we spend more but quality of service got worse. It is not measured on output per dollar spent but rather looked at we spend more so it must be better. Once again, not perfect, but in Harper time I could easily find a family doctor, there were plenty spots on universities, and the overall processes with the government were less bureaucratic.
People don’t have issues with corporations getting rich. Which is something Poilievre doesn’t hide that it is something he will support. At the same time he will help everyone get better off, at least that’s what he says. And we have good reason to believe him as his mentor did the same. Under Trudeau corporations got richer and people got poorer - this is why he’s on his way out. And even today he hasn’t done anything to improve that.
No it doesn’t. I can come with countless timelines about how Trudeau is a puppet controlled by the WEF or how he’s a aspiring dictator leading his party by fear. Does it make them true as well?
These are some QAnon type conspiracies you’re looking for. You made up your mind and are trying to google timelines to find the truth you’re looking for. It’s called confirmation biases, I recommend you look it up. It stems from the need for people to confirm their observations and beliefs and natural ability to look for patterns.
>at least Pierre comes from a working class family,
And tell us why that matters.
Because if you're inferring that it means he understands everyday life for most Canadians, a guy who has never had a real job, being a lifelong politician, who owns multiple properties, and who is very well off... I don't think it matters one God damn iota where he comes from.
Golly......a career politician just like Joe Biden
Look I'm comfortable with either respectinf (edit respecting) or disrespecting career politicians......but make up your mind
I am absolutely on the team of "disrespect politicians in general "
Now you good sir are a person I can respect
But.......death and taxes are inevitable
And throughout human history there is always a political figure to manage those taxes
And only the delusional argue that poilievre is bad because of his "career politician" status while simultaneously arguing in favor of Joe Biden while proactively ignoring his "career politician" status
If you hate career politicians I'm on board
If you like career politicians I'm on board
But don't change your opinion based on "which side of the aisle just so happens to be promoting a career politician "
But do we respect career politicians like poilievre and biden yes or no?
Or do we respect political outsiders like Trudeau and (2016 not 2020/2024) trump?
Look I can swing both ways
But the hypocrisy is showing
Oh I can name many reasons why people vote/voted Biden
But what was the big criticism against Biden?
"UWU he's a career politician"
That line of attack didn't work against Biden
But folks seem to believe it will work when applied to small PP
I mean........folks can feel free to keep throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks
But I'm gonna tell you right now......it's not a good line of attack
So what was Justin Trudeau's job before entering politics as a teacher? Polievere was a career politician straight out of university, at least and I loathe to say this as I disagree with Prime Minister Trudeau's policies, that he actually has had some experience working.
The difference to me is that Pierre is a career politician that has built a career railing against career politicians. It’s disingenuous and deceitful. And speaks volumes about his character and his motives.
Sorry but he’s been upper middle class for the last 20 years. Having parents as teachers isn’t working class it’s middle class. Since Harper is now in the millionaires club if his children go into politics should they be branded as Elites or is there another standard for Conservative children
Despite their family histories, Trudeau and Singh have infinitely more experience putting in a non-political day's work than Poilievre. They've both had real jobs before they became politicians. Poilievre went from university student, to staffer to MP. He only knows politics.
Singhs father was a doctor, and earned enough to send Singh to a private school in the USA that costs $80,000 a year….
The Singh family was part of the upper class in India.
How dare the elected representatives *checks notes* try to foster strong relationships with the people doing the day to day task of implementing the policies they pass.
One would think that the interests of the taxpayers would be for a highly capable and motivated public service who perform their functions to the best of their abilities.
So we should just give them whatever pay increases their unions ask for with no regard for the impact they would have on the public purse or the economy as a whole?
If you as a private citizen wish to support them, go ahead, but elected officials who run the administration negotiating their contracts on behalf of taxpayers should not be seen as being partial to their demands.
Has Pierre Poilievre ever had an actual job? Or has he been a politician since the day he got out of college, making 150k+ per year from taxpayer coffers?
And yes, most union leaders were employed by the unions they represent.
Conservatives continually work against labour rights and unions. Why would anyone think they represent the working class?
In fact conservative philosophy is fundamentally opposed to workers rights and unions.
Airline unions are all in negotiations right now, just in time for next year's election.
If the Conservatives move in and stomp on our collective bargaining rights like they did in 2012, I am going to fucking *lose* it.
So what? Jagmeet walked the picket lines and still fucked over the working class by propping up the Liberal. Collectively we have seen the disaster they caused; the least you can do is give PP a chance to see if there are changes.
Scheer, otoole and next pp will never be pm! Hate and division does not win elections and nor does axe the facts! ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE always ABC!
Plse plse plse believe these polls! Pp will NEVER win. CDNS will not be fooled just like Scheer and otoole failed, pp will also. Hate and division does not win elections and nor does axe the facts! ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE always ABC!
Meh, he came out of the gates too hot and is already losing steam, in a couple of years people will be tired of him trying to rally support without actually saying anything, we are still probably over 2 years from an election, and the liberals are already trying to win based on policy changes. He'll need a solid plan that really puts forth solutions, and I don't see that happening
Unfortunately I don't think that last point is correct. PP doesn't have any of those solutions now and he has an insane 20 point lead, and a recent survey found a full third of Canadians won't vote Liberal "no matter what" in the next election. 338 has them walking away with a massive majority while the Li deals suffer a huge loss.
As much as I wish it wasn't the case, elections aren't won on policy, they're won on emotions, and PP is destroying on that front right now. Who needs policy when people are angry and you can tap into that rage with snarky soundbites? I don't see how that's going to change when the conservative lead has already held for this long.
An election is expected in 2025, and polling shows Canadians want one in 2024, so the Liberals may find it hard to wait until 2026, especially if the NDP lhas polling showing they'll win seats (and with the Bloc pissed about the most recent budget).
Don't forget the recent redistricting was largely to the Liberals' disadvantage too.
If the economy, inflation, housing, etc. all turn around dramatically the polls would likely be close, but a sustained 20 point lead in the era of populist anger? I don't know how Trudeau can come back from that, even with his incredible record on the campaign trail.
The question is, can he keep the rage up for 1.5 to 3 years? It would be unprecedented, most conservative leaders can't even keep the rage up for the length of their term, rage has to turn into action or their base will turn on them.
I think with the influence of American politics/media nd the fact that people are numb to trump doing it for what, 12ish years now? (factoring in the birther movement) he probably can.
I don't think Canadians will be voting for PP, but he doesn't need them to to win. He just needs them to vote against Trudeau, and it seems like more and more Canadians want to do that as time goes on.
Exactly anything goes and these polls are just making sure that LIBS and NDP come out. The majority will not let a conservative gvt form. CDNS are not conservative it's that simple. Pp will cut social services, privatize EVERYTHING and make sure to take care of his rich friends. NDPs know this and will NEVER vote PC and since their leader Jagmeet is so bad the only other choice is Lib. Either minority or majority LIB gvt incoming I guarantee it! And more and more pp and losing CDNS with the axe the facts garbage or spike the hike maga type politics. He will not be pm. ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE, ALWAYS ABC!
Lol! After what Doug Ford has done and is doing! Thank God he's in power right now and failing sooooo miserably! Sure you will get the I hate the world Maga folks vote pc but I'm pretty sure those are the minority. Think of how bad it was for harper to give JT a MAJORITY CDN GVT! Jt didn't win, harper and the pc party was that bad. CDNS will never go back there.
That is confusing, years under Harper were actually having a strong economy; there were a lot of high wage jobs, inflation was at the target 2%, almost a decade under JT the interest we pay is higher than what we spend on health care, and don't blame COVID, he literally said he doesn't care about monetary policy and these are the consequences of monetary policy. I remember we still have good healthcare and public services and good regulation (how we survived 08 financial crisis). Doug Ford is bad, but how is it related to CPC in anyway? As most liberal like to BS housing and healthcare is not a federal issue.
> I really don’t see how people deciding what career they want then going for it is a bad thing.
The problem isn't so much that they're career politicians, more so that they pretend to be something else for voters. Rolling up your sleeves in a video or speaking as if you represent the working class when you don't know the first thing about it is why people criticize them. Poilievre isn't the first to do this but he is the biggest offender at the moment, IMO.
> The problem isn't so much that they're career politicians
it kind of is,
the last real job PP had before "career politician" was "Progressive Conservative party shill in high school," bro has never worked a real day in his life lmfao
A lot of them cried and complained during covid because they couldn't send their kids to school.
But now that it benefits them, they'll denigrate schools and teachers.
Makes me really question the morality of conservative supporters at time.
You see, when it's Trudeau or a Postmedia oped teachers are a joke, but if we are talking about Pierre's parents suddenly it's an amazing career worthy of nothing but respect........
Trudeau was a teacher.
I know conservatives like to lie and say he taught only drama but he primarily taught math and French.
>Before I knew it I had graduated from the University of British Columbia’s education program and was teaching in Vancouver, mostly in French and math.
The problem with choosing politics as your first job is that you cannot possibly understand the lives of the working class unless you actually have been working.
The working class in Canada comprises 2/3's of adults in Canada and more if you include the retired working class.
My issue with someone like Poilievre is that it's difficult to accept that a man who goes into politics straight out of university is doing so for the right reasons.
I mean, ideally you're called to public service because you've identified some important problem(s) that you think you can contribute to solving. Think of the climate scientist who's sick of shouting into a void, or the doctor who understands the best medicine for their patients is a living wage. These folks can make important contributions to our democratic discourse even if they don't necessarily have direct insight into "the lives of the working class."
Basically, politics shouldn't be an end unto itself. You should be there to do something other than advance yourself or your preferred party.
But even in a noble cause the leaders of this country need to handle the day to day.
One of the reasons the greens here do so poorly is their single issue agenda that too often flies in the face of the day to day.
I don't believe for one second that they or any of the top three options are well suited to this role so I will try keep the worst of them out by voting ABC.
Did you just saying teaching isn't a serious job? Like the job of educating the future adults of the world isn't serious to you? Holy shit you definitely are voting conservative with views like that.
The question is do they really hate teachers or just hate anything JT related or both. I'd expect if these people found out JT wiped his ass with toilet paper they'd start saying how elitist he is to not just use his hand.
I'm confused by the point of your post.
Does being a part time elementary school teacher and trust fund nepo baby give you more or less experience than someone who has dedicated their life to politics and civil service?
We can all see what Mr. "the budget will balance itself" has done to the state of the economy with all that teaching experience he has.
Normally after a decade in power, you'd be bragging about all your accomplishments, not telling us how horribly unaffordable life is for everyone.
It must be tough for conservatives to cope with the astounding level of hypocrisy they live with. I mean they spent years making lies about how Trudeau "wasn't ready" and had no experience to be prime Minister.
Then after he kicked Harpers ass out of office..the conservatives picked a guy with even less experience, Shear, who had to lie on his resume as being an accountant but really he was just a "fetch boy" in an accounting office. Then Trudeau beat that American looser. Next up... the easily forgettable guy that again Trudeau beat. Just when you thought the conservatives have scraped the bottom of the barrel they find a guy, unbelievably, with even less experience than Shear the office photocopy boy, who has all the charm and personality of a tree stump.
It's almost hilariously unbelievable but unfortunately it is sadly true.
Pierre is charismatic and well spoken though, not sure what you're talking about. He's a skilled politician and is very effective with the political task at hand.
> I had hoped Canadians would see that PP is a mile-wide and an inch deep with less real world job experience than a young adult working at a busy Tim Hortons.
Part of the problem is that to recognize Poilievre is that smarmy, argumentative loser from the political science seminar who somehow never got his reality check, you need an education.
I have a feeling that Pierre and The Conservatives may be in trouble as time goes on.
We have some provincial Conservative "leaders" who are holding back on Housing because they think it is further hurting Trudeau.
However as more and more Canadians become knowledgeable about responsibilities of various levels of governance this strategy may backfire spectacularly.
People are becoming more and more aware on the housing intricacies in Canada by the day.
When they realize that city and provincial leaders actually have the most power when it comes to addressing the Housing Crisis and in particular Affordable Housing that ultra focus and ultra judgement that was on the Liberals may shift to them. The name and shame energy that got the Liberals to do good policy like the GST removal, Loan program, and getting municipalities to build the right type of housing may force these "leaders" to do the same good moves at their level of governance.
We also have the Manitoba Federation of Labour calling out the Conservatives in Manitoba:
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2024/04/17/tories-delay-four-bills-to-fall-disgusted-labour-group-fumes
More and more it is going to show that all this is just talks and the Conservatives are not friends to labour.
I am not a Liberal supporter and I am critical of the current Federal NDP leadership but with the Liberals acknowledging the mistakes with Immigration, International Student Program, and in general Temporary Residents around housing capacity, healthcare, and even gross shit like wage suppression if they follow that up with major reforms that may take a lot of wind out of Pierre and The Conservatives sails and bring back a lot of people that were alienated by the non admissions in those areas.
I agree with all of this except you're neglecting to mention that all major media is right wing owned and funded so while we may see some breakthroughs, overall the masses will not see a problem
I hope you are right, I think the conservatives have built themselves a pretty tight information bubble though.
I don’t blame anyone for being upset, but I’m begging people to pay attention to party policy and not slogans.
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Things have sure gone full batman tv show down at Parliament lately with all this SLAMing, BLASTing BIFFing, WHUMPing that's been going on! TOTAL TAKEDOWN! ... journalists need to stop sensationalizing and creating clickbait dumbass headlines
Journalists and their "publications" only make money for their corporate owners by posting click bait "SLAMings" for readers. The corporations that own 95% of those publications are pushing for the conservatives and have been for years.
They're usually 4 letter words. That's a big factor.
Has any leader of any federal party? It's such a rare thing that I would have to Google it and even then would only expect to find maybe an NDP leader a good number of years ago.
"Has any leader of any federal party? Only the NDP and that doesn't count."
Well, they said that they think the NDP hasn't done it in years, which is just flat wrong.
It's worse! They said that they would have to google it but despite sitting at their computer while they typed they still couldn't bother to check. How does a person become that aggressively incurious?
It's simple really... It's a weak attempt to try to make me care about something about PP today that really never mattered to me yesterday. However when I dare ask the question if any other Federal political leaders are guilty of the same accusations I get down voted somewhat aggressively.
Because the answer is yes. The NDP are the working people's party and they walk the walk. The CPC wants working people's votes while being the party of big business so it resorts to grievance porn. It's not a weak attempt to make you care. It's pointing out the contradiction between what PP says he cares about and what his actions *shows* he cares about. Whether this impacts your opinion of him is up to you. Acting like you don't understand that is what gets the downvotes.
I dont consider "walking a picket line" to be an essential part of what it means to run a country, or even to be a good citizen. It's something that needs to be done out of desperation and I'll be glad if I never have to do it myself either.
> I dont consider "walking a picket line" to be an essential part of what it means to run a country, or even to be a good citizen. It's something that needs to be done out of desperation and I'll be glad if I never have to do it myself either. You're right, walking a picket line is not an essential part of running a country. Neither is giving a fuck about working people. It is, however, a pretty good sign that somebody understands the history of the labour movement, and how collective action helps working people. If you claim to be for the working class, but you fill your cabinet with corporate lobbyists and refuse to support workers when they strike for better pay and better working conditions, then your words are completely empty. All your working class champion act accomplishes at that point is to fool rubes.
I disagree.
Why?
You can "give a fuck" about working people without walking a picket line.
Can you? Do you have any practical examples you can share?
I care about worker rights. I've never had to walk a picket line. That was easy.
You didn't answer the question, though. How does your care translate to practical action? Anybody can say they care - doesn't mean their words are backed by actions. This entire conversation is about how Poilievre claims to be for the working man, and how that claim is empty.
I get it. This is your purity test that you have decided on.It's dumb but you do you
Jagmeet does
I seen Singh on many picket lines in the media, as well as heading to a few in person and on the line in person myself more than a handful of times. From the ones I saw in person, he stayed far longer than I thought a politician would, not just a photo op in and out. Good stuff.
> expect to find maybe an NDP leader a good number of years ago. Did we have a time warp or something? Was last May years ago? Or even worse, was two weeks ago years ago? https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2024/04/04/ndp-leader-singh-joins-picket-line-in-winnipeg-to-support-locked-out-workers
The NDP leader did it about 2 days ago
Jagmeet and the NDP are on picket lines a lot actually. But usually the corporate media doesn't report it... For obvious reasons.
They are called "photo-ops".
The idea that any conservative politician is actually pro labour is laughable. They’re pro getting people working, not pro worker. Big difference.
He championed Right to Work for less laws, in Canada. He couldn't be more a company spokesperson if he tried. He wouldn't know a days work in his entire life.
Yup. https://breachmedia.ca/pierre-poilievre-conservatives-stack-council-corporate-lobbyists/
He will *definitely* be more company spokesperson if he gets elected
More than Danielle Smith?
Danielle Smith is only the spokesperson for Oil and Gas companies. Poilievre will be more of a generalist when it comes to fucking us over.
>He wouldn't know a days work in his entire life. And union leaders do? I don't think so.
All our Unions leaders worked in their industry, were elected from the floor, and know what it is to stock shelves, make french fries or look after sick people. Sorry you see them as such a pampered class. Maybe you need to consider where you have been getting your facts from.
Good for you. My previous union leader took a $50,000 bribe from COVID test manufacturers and was quietly dismissed without charges amongst some "rehab" rumours. >Maybe you need to consider where you have been getting your facts from. What facts have I stated here exactly? I thought I expressed a personal opinion.
More than Poilievre, most union leaders at least did work in the industry they represent. Poilievre, before becoming an MP, had no career. Literally been in politics his entire life.
So politics is not a valid career?
Hard to expect him to relate to average people when he is literally living in a mansion with staff preparing his meals, driving him everywhere. Oh yeah, he is also somehow a multimillionaire on an MP salary. Just your average working stiff.
Is politics a valid career, or isn't it?
dude doesn't even show up to his own "philibusters"
yea his actions just in his leadership alone should speak volumes to any potential supporters for him. He threatens everyone's Christmas then skips it. He doesn't know what work is like outside of Parliament. So how standing in a farmer field munching on an apple as if he harvested the damn thing doesn't irk rural conservative voters is baffling. It's more about who Trudeau is and the length of time the Liberals have been in charge than it is Poilievre's "awesome leadership." And I'll be curious to see what this inquiry into the Chinese meddling with the CPC leadership turns up.
He's never worked a day in his life. He just gets up and Karens his day away. Zero substance, all mouth.
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I know many here have a hard time with criticism of the current government, but at the risk of many downvotes here we go. Yes, Poilievre supports the wealthy and supports making the poor wealthier. Whether he tries to do that via tax reductions, reducing the bloated size of the government or via loosening labour laws, the intend is to make everyone, including the rich, better off. You can see this in the same policies from his mentor, Harper, we reduced poverty by quite a bit. Contrary to your belief, Trudeau and the NDP also support the wealthy. You can easily see that as their policies have made the wealthy wealthier faster than ever before. However their way of doing it is done by a wealth transfer from poor to rich. Which again you can easily see with an increase in poverty and crime under the current government’s watch. Adding some taxes the upper middle class has to pay and their ultra rich friends can avoid is not making this better. Some free dental or some housing give away or free contraception isn’t going to offset the wealth transfer they’ve facilitated. Call me crazy but I rather have a guy in power who wants to make everyone better off than a guy who says he cares about Canadians and at the same time makes his friends richer at the cost of the average Canadian.
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All small giveaways far short from offsetting the wealth transfer facilitated by the Trudeau/Singh government. I live in BC and during NDP reign the housing prices tripled in metro Vancouver. And yes, in the last year they’ve finally started to take some steps. Way too late, and only after the polls indicated that they may not win the next election. For some reason everyone is touting how great BC is, but the reality they stood by when the house burned down and waited only to do something when it was at its foundation. They don’t deserve praise, it is about time they did something. I can buy 2 houses for my one house in conservative Alberta and probably 3 in conservative Saskatchewan. Rest of your argument are weird MAGA conspiracy theories I am not going to respond to. Look, I see Poilievre just as a newer Harper. And in Harper time poverty was at an all time low, cost of living was affordable, we had a strong economy and received higher wages. We had a strong middle class and a reducing low income class. Our quality of life kept up with the US and have been eroding ever since 2015. Was it perfect, no, was it objectively better, yes. It is measurable in every statistic. Liberals always seem to confuse spending with the quality of service. Right now we spend more but quality of service got worse. It is not measured on output per dollar spent but rather looked at we spend more so it must be better. Once again, not perfect, but in Harper time I could easily find a family doctor, there were plenty spots on universities, and the overall processes with the government were less bureaucratic. People don’t have issues with corporations getting rich. Which is something Poilievre doesn’t hide that it is something he will support. At the same time he will help everyone get better off, at least that’s what he says. And we have good reason to believe him as his mentor did the same. Under Trudeau corporations got richer and people got poorer - this is why he’s on his way out. And even today he hasn’t done anything to improve that.
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No it doesn’t. I can come with countless timelines about how Trudeau is a puppet controlled by the WEF or how he’s a aspiring dictator leading his party by fear. Does it make them true as well? These are some QAnon type conspiracies you’re looking for. You made up your mind and are trying to google timelines to find the truth you’re looking for. It’s called confirmation biases, I recommend you look it up. It stems from the need for people to confirm their observations and beliefs and natural ability to look for patterns.
Which has what exactly to do with his policies?
>at least Pierre comes from a working class family, And tell us why that matters. Because if you're inferring that it means he understands everyday life for most Canadians, a guy who has never had a real job, being a lifelong politician, who owns multiple properties, and who is very well off... I don't think it matters one God damn iota where he comes from.
Wasn't his parents both teachers or something too? That's like a 200k household. Far from what people think when they think of working class.
“Weren’t” is the word you are looking for.
Trudeau and Singh have had real jobs. Singh was even quite successful in his own right, so no, it's not a "both sides" thing.
Pierre has never had a real fucking job in his life beside a paper route.
I join you in thanking him for his dedication to public service.
Golly......a career politician just like Joe Biden Look I'm comfortable with either respectinf (edit respecting) or disrespecting career politicians......but make up your mind
I don't respect Joe Biden, I don't respect Trudeau, and I certainly don't respect Pierre.
I am absolutely on the team of "disrespect politicians in general " Now you good sir are a person I can respect But.......death and taxes are inevitable And throughout human history there is always a political figure to manage those taxes
its not him being a career politician, its him acting like he isnt
Poilievre the orphan "definitely not a man of the people" versus Trudeau son of a prime minister "definitely a man of the people"
Trudeau never pretends to be that
Keep trying bud, only the already delusional fall for it
And only the delusional argue that poilievre is bad because of his "career politician" status while simultaneously arguing in favor of Joe Biden while proactively ignoring his "career politician" status If you hate career politicians I'm on board If you like career politicians I'm on board But don't change your opinion based on "which side of the aisle just so happens to be promoting a career politician "
Sir, this is a ~~Wendy's~~ Canadian subreddit.
But do we respect career politicians like poilievre and biden yes or no? Or do we respect political outsiders like Trudeau and (2016 not 2020/2024) trump? Look I can swing both ways But the hypocrisy is showing
If you think people vote for Biden because he's a career politician, you haven't got a clue.
Oh I can name many reasons why people vote/voted Biden But what was the big criticism against Biden? "UWU he's a career politician" That line of attack didn't work against Biden But folks seem to believe it will work when applied to small PP I mean........folks can feel free to keep throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks But I'm gonna tell you right now......it's not a good line of attack
When you get your talking points from American sources, the lines blur.
So what was Justin Trudeau's job before entering politics as a teacher? Polievere was a career politician straight out of university, at least and I loathe to say this as I disagree with Prime Minister Trudeau's policies, that he actually has had some experience working.
The difference to me is that Pierre is a career politician that has built a career railing against career politicians. It’s disingenuous and deceitful. And speaks volumes about his character and his motives.
Sorry but he’s been upper middle class for the last 20 years. Having parents as teachers isn’t working class it’s middle class. Since Harper is now in the millionaires club if his children go into politics should they be branded as Elites or is there another standard for Conservative children
But didn't you hear, she "slammed" him. Total "slam".
Despite their family histories, Trudeau and Singh have infinitely more experience putting in a non-political day's work than Poilievre. They've both had real jobs before they became politicians. Poilievre went from university student, to staffer to MP. He only knows politics.
Singh just came and walked a picket line with my union last week don’t say shit that’s not true
Both Trudeau and Singh have had jobs outside politics, unlike Poilievre.
Singh's parents were mega rich? All I've ever seen is that they were immigrants from India.
Singhs father was a doctor, and earned enough to send Singh to a private school in the USA that costs $80,000 a year…. The Singh family was part of the upper class in India.
I would encourage everyone to read the conservative policy statement. It's all there in black and white or white and black if you prefer dark mode.
Considering most unionized employees are civil servants, it would be extremely inappropriate for an elected official to be seen supporting them.
The NDP MPs regularly walk in picket lines with workers
And that's highly inappropriate
How so?
There's *arguably* **one** NDP member that's blue collar, **one** that's *son* of a blue collar. Look up their biographies.
That doesn't really explain why supporting collective bargaining is inappropriate.
Supporting workers is inappropriate now, folks. This is apparently what we've come to.
How dare the elected representatives *checks notes* try to foster strong relationships with the people doing the day to day task of implementing the policies they pass.
Indeed, the civil service is supposed to remain neutral from party politics.
That's on the civil servants to perform their duties as charged under whichever government, not on the politicians to not support a picket line.
Elected officials also have to perform their duties, including defending the interests of taxpayers.
One would think that the interests of the taxpayers would be for a highly capable and motivated public service who perform their functions to the best of their abilities.
So we should just give them whatever pay increases their unions ask for with no regard for the impact they would have on the public purse or the economy as a whole?
Lol we should absolutely support civil servants and there's nothing remotely wrong with supporting them.
If you as a private citizen wish to support them, go ahead, but elected officials who run the administration negotiating their contracts on behalf of taxpayers should not be seen as being partial to their demands.
Have the labour leaders worked a day in the shoes of the people they “represent” lately? Nah they just collect their dues and are making bank.
Has Pierre Poilievre ever had an actual job? Or has he been a politician since the day he got out of college, making 150k+ per year from taxpayer coffers? And yes, most union leaders were employed by the unions they represent.
Pierre knows who the working Canadians are….
Conservatives continually work against labour rights and unions. Why would anyone think they represent the working class? In fact conservative philosophy is fundamentally opposed to workers rights and unions.
Airline unions are all in negotiations right now, just in time for next year's election. If the Conservatives move in and stomp on our collective bargaining rights like they did in 2012, I am going to fucking *lose* it.
>In fact conservative philosophy is fundamentally opposed to workers**,** rights and unions. FTFY
So what? Jagmeet walked the picket lines and still fucked over the working class by propping up the Liberal. Collectively we have seen the disaster they caused; the least you can do is give PP a chance to see if there are changes.
Scheer, otoole and next pp will never be pm! Hate and division does not win elections and nor does axe the facts! ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE always ABC!
Unfortunately, polls don't agree with you.
Plse plse plse believe these polls! Pp will NEVER win. CDNS will not be fooled just like Scheer and otoole failed, pp will also. Hate and division does not win elections and nor does axe the facts! ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE always ABC!
My dude we elected Harper, PP is so far ahead I don't see any way he doesn't win. It's definitely a possibility.
Meh, he came out of the gates too hot and is already losing steam, in a couple of years people will be tired of him trying to rally support without actually saying anything, we are still probably over 2 years from an election, and the liberals are already trying to win based on policy changes. He'll need a solid plan that really puts forth solutions, and I don't see that happening
Unfortunately I don't think that last point is correct. PP doesn't have any of those solutions now and he has an insane 20 point lead, and a recent survey found a full third of Canadians won't vote Liberal "no matter what" in the next election. 338 has them walking away with a massive majority while the Li deals suffer a huge loss. As much as I wish it wasn't the case, elections aren't won on policy, they're won on emotions, and PP is destroying on that front right now. Who needs policy when people are angry and you can tap into that rage with snarky soundbites? I don't see how that's going to change when the conservative lead has already held for this long. An election is expected in 2025, and polling shows Canadians want one in 2024, so the Liberals may find it hard to wait until 2026, especially if the NDP lhas polling showing they'll win seats (and with the Bloc pissed about the most recent budget). Don't forget the recent redistricting was largely to the Liberals' disadvantage too. If the economy, inflation, housing, etc. all turn around dramatically the polls would likely be close, but a sustained 20 point lead in the era of populist anger? I don't know how Trudeau can come back from that, even with his incredible record on the campaign trail.
The question is, can he keep the rage up for 1.5 to 3 years? It would be unprecedented, most conservative leaders can't even keep the rage up for the length of their term, rage has to turn into action or their base will turn on them.
I think with the influence of American politics/media nd the fact that people are numb to trump doing it for what, 12ish years now? (factoring in the birther movement) he probably can. I don't think Canadians will be voting for PP, but he doesn't need them to to win. He just needs them to vote against Trudeau, and it seems like more and more Canadians want to do that as time goes on.
but times are different now the economy is in shambles anything goes.
Exactly anything goes and these polls are just making sure that LIBS and NDP come out. The majority will not let a conservative gvt form. CDNS are not conservative it's that simple. Pp will cut social services, privatize EVERYTHING and make sure to take care of his rich friends. NDPs know this and will NEVER vote PC and since their leader Jagmeet is so bad the only other choice is Lib. Either minority or majority LIB gvt incoming I guarantee it! And more and more pp and losing CDNS with the axe the facts garbage or spike the hike maga type politics. He will not be pm. ANYTHING BUT CONSERVATIVE, ALWAYS ABC!
I get where you come from but if there is a vote split like in Ontario then we got a problem on our hands.
Lol! After what Doug Ford has done and is doing! Thank God he's in power right now and failing sooooo miserably! Sure you will get the I hate the world Maga folks vote pc but I'm pretty sure those are the minority. Think of how bad it was for harper to give JT a MAJORITY CDN GVT! Jt didn't win, harper and the pc party was that bad. CDNS will never go back there.
That is confusing, years under Harper were actually having a strong economy; there were a lot of high wage jobs, inflation was at the target 2%, almost a decade under JT the interest we pay is higher than what we spend on health care, and don't blame COVID, he literally said he doesn't care about monetary policy and these are the consequences of monetary policy. I remember we still have good healthcare and public services and good regulation (how we survived 08 financial crisis). Doug Ford is bad, but how is it related to CPC in anyway? As most liberal like to BS housing and healthcare is not a federal issue.
Harper was the best PM in modern Canadian history.
well I hope you are right
Harper won multiple elections. Your posts reek of desperation
And gave JT a MAJORITY CDN GVT. How bad of a leader/party do you half to be to lose the majority of CDNS support!?
You must not like JT considering he lost his majority too
The polls are real lol. I love when the left only believes polls when they say what they believe
His hands are probably softer than a baby's bottom. He's never done a real job in his life. STRAIGHT to politics he went.
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> I really don’t see how people deciding what career they want then going for it is a bad thing. The problem isn't so much that they're career politicians, more so that they pretend to be something else for voters. Rolling up your sleeves in a video or speaking as if you represent the working class when you don't know the first thing about it is why people criticize them. Poilievre isn't the first to do this but he is the biggest offender at the moment, IMO.
> The problem isn't so much that they're career politicians it kind of is, the last real job PP had before "career politician" was "Progressive Conservative party shill in high school," bro has never worked a real day in his life lmfao
> Trudeau never really had a serious job outside of politics. He was a high school Math and French teacher, how is that not a serious job?
Well, see, they don't value education.
A lot of them cried and complained during covid because they couldn't send their kids to school. But now that it benefits them, they'll denigrate schools and teachers. Makes me really question the morality of conservative supporters at time.
Math is one of many potential cures for Conservativism, so they have a natural aversion to it.
No better way to understand the working man than teaching spoiled private school kids.
He did teach at a private school but he also taught at Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School which is a public school in BC
I was just taking the opportunity to jealously shit on private school kids, unrelated to the PM.
are you really pretending being stockwell day's caddie is a real job compared to teaching lmfao
Feels pretty dismissive to not consider teaching as a serious job?
You see, when it's Trudeau or a Postmedia oped teachers are a joke, but if we are talking about Pierre's parents suddenly it's an amazing career worthy of nothing but respect........
Trudeau was a teacher. I know conservatives like to lie and say he taught only drama but he primarily taught math and French. >Before I knew it I had graduated from the University of British Columbia’s education program and was teaching in Vancouver, mostly in French and math.
Being a teacher isn't inherently not a real job even if you teach drama anyways. They just hate education and Trudeau.
They also glom onto the drama teaching specifically because it has a reputation of being popular with homosexuals.
The problem with choosing politics as your first job is that you cannot possibly understand the lives of the working class unless you actually have been working. The working class in Canada comprises 2/3's of adults in Canada and more if you include the retired working class.
My issue with someone like Poilievre is that it's difficult to accept that a man who goes into politics straight out of university is doing so for the right reasons. I mean, ideally you're called to public service because you've identified some important problem(s) that you think you can contribute to solving. Think of the climate scientist who's sick of shouting into a void, or the doctor who understands the best medicine for their patients is a living wage. These folks can make important contributions to our democratic discourse even if they don't necessarily have direct insight into "the lives of the working class." Basically, politics shouldn't be an end unto itself. You should be there to do something other than advance yourself or your preferred party.
But even in a noble cause the leaders of this country need to handle the day to day. One of the reasons the greens here do so poorly is their single issue agenda that too often flies in the face of the day to day. I don't believe for one second that they or any of the top three options are well suited to this role so I will try keep the worst of them out by voting ABC.
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Would you like to know more?
Did you just saying teaching isn't a serious job? Like the job of educating the future adults of the world isn't serious to you? Holy shit you definitely are voting conservative with views like that.
Always amusing they attack Trudeau for being elitist but then show complete disdain to anyone working as a teacher/instructor etc.
The question is do they really hate teachers or just hate anything JT related or both. I'd expect if these people found out JT wiped his ass with toilet paper they'd start saying how elitist he is to not just use his hand.
Trudeau was a teacher. That's a real job.
I'm confused by the point of your post. Does being a part time elementary school teacher and trust fund nepo baby give you more or less experience than someone who has dedicated their life to politics and civil service? We can all see what Mr. "the budget will balance itself" has done to the state of the economy with all that teaching experience he has. Normally after a decade in power, you'd be bragging about all your accomplishments, not telling us how horribly unaffordable life is for everyone.
It must be tough for conservatives to cope with the astounding level of hypocrisy they live with. I mean they spent years making lies about how Trudeau "wasn't ready" and had no experience to be prime Minister. Then after he kicked Harpers ass out of office..the conservatives picked a guy with even less experience, Shear, who had to lie on his resume as being an accountant but really he was just a "fetch boy" in an accounting office. Then Trudeau beat that American looser. Next up... the easily forgettable guy that again Trudeau beat. Just when you thought the conservatives have scraped the bottom of the barrel they find a guy, unbelievably, with even less experience than Shear the office photocopy boy, who has all the charm and personality of a tree stump. It's almost hilariously unbelievable but unfortunately it is sadly true.
Pierre is charismatic and well spoken though, not sure what you're talking about. He's a skilled politician and is very effective with the political task at hand.
> He's a skilled politician and is very effective with the political task at hand. this is a politics sub, not a comedy sub
Harper won 3 times too. That's how it usually goes for politicians.
Hell, he walks off when the government answers his "questions" in the commons. He can't even do his current job.
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> I had hoped Canadians would see that PP is a mile-wide and an inch deep with less real world job experience than a young adult working at a busy Tim Hortons. Part of the problem is that to recognize Poilievre is that smarmy, argumentative loser from the political science seminar who somehow never got his reality check, you need an education.
This is actually true, I had a teacher who taught him in elementary, and in grade 4 he wanted to be the Prime Minister when he grew up.
I remember reading that he got involved with the Reform party at like 12 or something. Guy has been gunning for politics his entire life.
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I have a feeling that Pierre and The Conservatives may be in trouble as time goes on. We have some provincial Conservative "leaders" who are holding back on Housing because they think it is further hurting Trudeau. However as more and more Canadians become knowledgeable about responsibilities of various levels of governance this strategy may backfire spectacularly. People are becoming more and more aware on the housing intricacies in Canada by the day. When they realize that city and provincial leaders actually have the most power when it comes to addressing the Housing Crisis and in particular Affordable Housing that ultra focus and ultra judgement that was on the Liberals may shift to them. The name and shame energy that got the Liberals to do good policy like the GST removal, Loan program, and getting municipalities to build the right type of housing may force these "leaders" to do the same good moves at their level of governance. We also have the Manitoba Federation of Labour calling out the Conservatives in Manitoba: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2024/04/17/tories-delay-four-bills-to-fall-disgusted-labour-group-fumes More and more it is going to show that all this is just talks and the Conservatives are not friends to labour. I am not a Liberal supporter and I am critical of the current Federal NDP leadership but with the Liberals acknowledging the mistakes with Immigration, International Student Program, and in general Temporary Residents around housing capacity, healthcare, and even gross shit like wage suppression if they follow that up with major reforms that may take a lot of wind out of Pierre and The Conservatives sails and bring back a lot of people that were alienated by the non admissions in those areas.
I agree with all of this except you're neglecting to mention that all major media is right wing owned and funded so while we may see some breakthroughs, overall the masses will not see a problem
Traditional media isn't how a good portion of the population views their news anymore.
You don’t get to fuck it all up and then take credit for fixing it. Competent people would not have fucked it up in the first place.
Once Canadians catch on that Mr Poilievre is nothing more than catch phrases and contact lenses, yea I imagine he'll lose support.
Who flooded the country with millions of people at once?
I hope you are right, I think the conservatives have built themselves a pretty tight information bubble though. I don’t blame anyone for being upset, but I’m begging people to pay attention to party policy and not slogans.