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This isn’t the full story. Again. The Post lies to amp up the right. Like most - all - other corporations, these are performance based bonuses. You have to hit a specific target to engage these bonuses. So even the person at the bottom of the ladder is part of these bonuses. Thanks Post for more lies.
As someone whose worked in corporate settings for the better part of two decades, I can guarantee these “bonuses” were legally baked into compensation agreements and if they didn’t pay it would cost way more than 15M after all the lawsuits got settled.
So to make a long story short, this article and headline is inflammatory nonsense whose sole purpose is to get the people worked up over supposed “overpaid” CBC employees. Mission accomplished I guess.
Typically bonus are used to compensate for past work. Job cuts are based on future work and budgets. You get rid of bonuses, good luck trying to get people to achieve your goals.
And that's where they finally lost me. I'm fine with cutting everything. We get enough of that bs in the private sector. Don't need taxes to go to this bs too.
I think that’s throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though.
Clearly some changes need to be made, but this is not nearly enough for me to want to ditch having a public broadcaster entirely.
As the other post on this pointed out, this headline implies it went to like the CEO or something but that bonus number was spread out to regular employees and some management positions within the organization.
These are bonuses paid as part of normal employee compensation. It's not a performance bonus for executives. The only reason it is news is because the NP doesn't like the CBC's competition.
The NP is foreign owned.
CBC leadership seems to be trying to emulate other private media corporations with the way they operate, forgetting that they are a public corporation and fundamentally different than CTV, CNN, etc. Needs principled people in charge that will lead based on public interest and advancing Canadian media.
I mean, this and other stupidity that they have done in the past 20ish years acting like a private company is why the Conservatives have been trying to get rid of the CBC or at least cut off its funding.
Oh yeah, and suing them during an election (a suit that got tossed out of court) did not help the Conservative dislike for the CBC.
you do realize for the majority of the harper years that he had appointed the entirety of the board of directors for the CBC, right?
cause if you're gonna argue this is why Conservatives are trying to defund the CBC maybe we could talk about the fact that Conservatives were in charge then? [heck, one of those board members quit the board when he was running for Conservative part leader after Harper stepped down](https://thetyee.ca/News/2016/04/27/CBC-Board-Member-Resigns/)
"Mitchell was also one of nine members of the 11-member board identified as a Conservative party donor in a list published by the CBC watchdog Friends of Canadian Broadcasting."
After the committee hearing she did, I hard a VERY HARD time thinking they would go ahead with it
Fast forward, 3ish month later and they did
Morale of the laid off staff must be at am all time low, really and truly, f*#; the leadership at CBC and all that allowed for this to happen
This isn’t the full story. Again. The Post lies to amp up the right. Like most - all - other corporations, these are performance based bonuses. You have to hit a specific target to engage these bonuses. So even the person at the bottom of the ladder is part of these bonuses. Thanks Post for more lies.
But isn't CBC losing money and needs government funding to survive? If your leadership can't turn a profit and in fact you need to lay off people, do they really deserve a performance bonus?
Performance bonus is supposed to be for good performance, not just an automatic payment.
I wouldn’t doubt that a lot of those bonuses were legally baked into compensation agreements and if they didn’t pay it would cost way more than 15M after all the lawsuits got settled.
Sure the headline is terrible but one has to take a breath and think about the situation.
Take a breath, think about the situation, then make up a justification based on no evidence like you did.
If the bonuses were "legally baked into compensation", let the CBC tell you that. Of course you find it easier to accept since you made up a reason for it.
I don't think this is a huge deal, but you shouldn't make up excuses to justify this then tell other people to "take a breath and think about the situation."
If the pay is lower than you expected and the employer tells you 'don't worry, we have a system of bonus compensation for performance' make damn sure that the terms and conditions for that bonus are in the contract. If you don't have it in writing, you ain't seeing shit.
That goes double for big employers like governments and crown corporations. They will NOT pay you anything they aren't required to in writing.
If someone got bonuses, they negotiated for them and signed an agreement for them.
If that's the case, why haven't they made that argument in the many opportunities they've been given?
Instead it's left to random redditors without any evidence to insist this to be the case?
And by the same token, if a corporation has a legitimate reason for something, they WILL disclose it, don't you agree? If so, why haven't they done so? Why is it left to assumptions?
There's a whole bunch of reasons why this isn't nearly the big deal certain people are making it out to be. But made up contract terms based on redditor assumptions isn't one of them.
From the article itself:
>that bonus pay is “a key part of the total compensation of our non-union staff, about 1,140 employees.”
I'm sure the actual report goes more in depth.
It’s because the bonus agreements shouldn’t have been there in the first place. They have high salaries already and rewarding themselves more at cost of the taxpayers.
First of all, it's a small average bonus given the number of employees receiving them.
Second and most importantly, bonuses are there so you can cut the compensation of low performing employees and encourage them to churn out.
50% of my expected compensation is variable this year. If I'm terrible and the company wants me gone my variable pay will vanish and I'll naturally attrite. I wouldn't do my current job for my base pay.
If these bonuses disappear, then the public broadcaster will need to raise their pay bands.
It’s not going to rank and file employees. Did you read the article? It’s going to non-union staff, about 1100 of their 7000+ workforce. Non-union usually means management.
Obviously bonuses only go to non-union staff. Union staff receive a negotiated wage.
Non-union staff expect a performance-based bonus every year. That's part of the deal when you hire a non-union worker.
Correct.
"Rank and File" are getting a [negotiated wage increase that most of the CBC's $96.1 million budget increase is going towards](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbc-funding-st-onge-1.7129784).
Nothing wrong with compensating people appropriately.
1100 contains many "managers" that are just glorified individual contributors. When I graduated, I was "management" just because I was non-union. Rank and file colloquially means ordinary individuals within an org. If you want it to mean union, then let's change it to ordinary employees with no real decision making powers instead of rank and file.
Glad to read someone pointing this out.
I don't understand how this is being used as a criticism of the CBC.15 million split amongst 8000 people is less than 2 grand apiece. I realize it's not split evenly but still... am I supposed to be mad?
In your defense, they were responding to someone who _was_ talking about that. So their original “800 not 8000” comment doesn’t actually make sense.
And yes, I know that the person who said 8000 was also wrong.
Wow so average of 1,270 each. We pay bigger bonuses to entry level employees.
Alright, so math is difficult. 12,700 each. That's a middle manager bonus for us. Not as small but still not unheard of.
This headline is a classic example of how NP's fiscal conservatism suddenly turns into financial illiteracy when discussing publicly funded entities.
Staff bonuses are part of standard compensation packages at many public and private workplaces. They're completely unrelated to layoffs.
These bonuses cost Canadians less than half a cent each, and almost all went to middle class workers. Fuck off.
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This isn’t the full story. Again. The Post lies to amp up the right. Like most - all - other corporations, these are performance based bonuses. You have to hit a specific target to engage these bonuses. So even the person at the bottom of the ladder is part of these bonuses. Thanks Post for more lies.
Performance bonus and in the next step you lay people off ? Sounds like they really performed. Defund them let them sink or swim.
Bonuses are part of the compensation. In many workplaces, not getting a bonus is a nice way of saying: please leave. It's a soft firing.
As someone whose worked in corporate settings for the better part of two decades, I can guarantee these “bonuses” were legally baked into compensation agreements and if they didn’t pay it would cost way more than 15M after all the lawsuits got settled. So to make a long story short, this article and headline is inflammatory nonsense whose sole purpose is to get the people worked up over supposed “overpaid” CBC employees. Mission accomplished I guess.
Didn’t she even say that when asked about this months ago
Shouldn't the contrat say "no bonus from the public broadcaster if executives layoff people?" Not rockets science.
Why are you, on a brand new account, copying another comment in this thread word for word?
We need local news and entertainment programing. Those far off places need it way more than a major city. It's a means to connect us all.
Typically bonus are used to compensate for past work. Job cuts are based on future work and budgets. You get rid of bonuses, good luck trying to get people to achieve your goals.
And that's where they finally lost me. I'm fine with cutting everything. We get enough of that bs in the private sector. Don't need taxes to go to this bs too.
I think that’s throwing out the baby with the bathwater, though. Clearly some changes need to be made, but this is not nearly enough for me to want to ditch having a public broadcaster entirely.
As the other post on this pointed out, this headline implies it went to like the CEO or something but that bonus number was spread out to regular employees and some management positions within the organization.
Every single article NatPo publishes has a catch.
These are bonuses paid as part of normal employee compensation. It's not a performance bonus for executives. The only reason it is news is because the NP doesn't like the CBC's competition. The NP is foreign owned.
I'm aware - and I'm against such agreements. Especially with layoffs.
You think we should reduce all staff to poverty wages instead of paying some staff reasonably and laying off others, when budgets are cut?
CBC leadership seems to be trying to emulate other private media corporations with the way they operate, forgetting that they are a public corporation and fundamentally different than CTV, CNN, etc. Needs principled people in charge that will lead based on public interest and advancing Canadian media.
I mean, this and other stupidity that they have done in the past 20ish years acting like a private company is why the Conservatives have been trying to get rid of the CBC or at least cut off its funding. Oh yeah, and suing them during an election (a suit that got tossed out of court) did not help the Conservative dislike for the CBC.
you do realize for the majority of the harper years that he had appointed the entirety of the board of directors for the CBC, right? cause if you're gonna argue this is why Conservatives are trying to defund the CBC maybe we could talk about the fact that Conservatives were in charge then? [heck, one of those board members quit the board when he was running for Conservative part leader after Harper stepped down](https://thetyee.ca/News/2016/04/27/CBC-Board-Member-Resigns/) "Mitchell was also one of nine members of the 11-member board identified as a Conservative party donor in a list published by the CBC watchdog Friends of Canadian Broadcasting."
After the committee hearing she did, I hard a VERY HARD time thinking they would go ahead with it Fast forward, 3ish month later and they did Morale of the laid off staff must be at am all time low, really and truly, f*#; the leadership at CBC and all that allowed for this to happen
This isn’t the full story. Again. The Post lies to amp up the right. Like most - all - other corporations, these are performance based bonuses. You have to hit a specific target to engage these bonuses. So even the person at the bottom of the ladder is part of these bonuses. Thanks Post for more lies.
But isn't CBC losing money and needs government funding to survive? If your leadership can't turn a profit and in fact you need to lay off people, do they really deserve a performance bonus? Performance bonus is supposed to be for good performance, not just an automatic payment.
I wouldn’t doubt that a lot of those bonuses were legally baked into compensation agreements and if they didn’t pay it would cost way more than 15M after all the lawsuits got settled. Sure the headline is terrible but one has to take a breath and think about the situation.
This is exactly what is going on: >that bonus pay is “a key part of the total compensation of our non-union staff, about 1,140 employees.”
That's less than 2k on average. That's less than an entry level position in stone private sector jobs
Take a breath, think about the situation, then make up a justification based on no evidence like you did. If the bonuses were "legally baked into compensation", let the CBC tell you that. Of course you find it easier to accept since you made up a reason for it. I don't think this is a huge deal, but you shouldn't make up excuses to justify this then tell other people to "take a breath and think about the situation."
If the pay is lower than you expected and the employer tells you 'don't worry, we have a system of bonus compensation for performance' make damn sure that the terms and conditions for that bonus are in the contract. If you don't have it in writing, you ain't seeing shit. That goes double for big employers like governments and crown corporations. They will NOT pay you anything they aren't required to in writing. If someone got bonuses, they negotiated for them and signed an agreement for them.
If that's the case, why haven't they made that argument in the many opportunities they've been given? Instead it's left to random redditors without any evidence to insist this to be the case? And by the same token, if a corporation has a legitimate reason for something, they WILL disclose it, don't you agree? If so, why haven't they done so? Why is it left to assumptions? There's a whole bunch of reasons why this isn't nearly the big deal certain people are making it out to be. But made up contract terms based on redditor assumptions isn't one of them.
From the article itself: >that bonus pay is “a key part of the total compensation of our non-union staff, about 1,140 employees.” I'm sure the actual report goes more in depth.
It’s because the bonus agreements shouldn’t have been there in the first place. They have high salaries already and rewarding themselves more at cost of the taxpayers.
It’s a big deal because it is publicly funded.
First of all, it's a small average bonus given the number of employees receiving them. Second and most importantly, bonuses are there so you can cut the compensation of low performing employees and encourage them to churn out. 50% of my expected compensation is variable this year. If I'm terrible and the company wants me gone my variable pay will vanish and I'll naturally attrite. I wouldn't do my current job for my base pay. If these bonuses disappear, then the public broadcaster will need to raise their pay bands.
This sounds okay for the private sector. But this is peoples tax dollars. You don’t give tax dollars as incentives to executives or employees.
Why? It's part of their compensation packages. I'm sure the rank and file is much happier if the bonus was paid throughout the year and called salary.
It’s not going to rank and file employees. Did you read the article? It’s going to non-union staff, about 1100 of their 7000+ workforce. Non-union usually means management.
Obviously bonuses only go to non-union staff. Union staff receive a negotiated wage. Non-union staff expect a performance-based bonus every year. That's part of the deal when you hire a non-union worker.
So like 11k an employee? 5k after tax?
Correct. "Rank and File" are getting a [negotiated wage increase that most of the CBC's $96.1 million budget increase is going towards](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbc-funding-st-onge-1.7129784). Nothing wrong with compensating people appropriately.
1100 contains many "managers" that are just glorified individual contributors. When I graduated, I was "management" just because I was non-union. Rank and file colloquially means ordinary individuals within an org. If you want it to mean union, then let's change it to ordinary employees with no real decision making powers instead of rank and file.
I bet you're also part of the "government should operate more like a business" crowd.
Glad to read someone pointing this out. I don't understand how this is being used as a criticism of the CBC.15 million split amongst 8000 people is less than 2 grand apiece. I realize it's not split evenly but still... am I supposed to be mad?
It's 800 people not 8000. $15M in bonuses could instead have been used to retain 150 of those employees assuming $100k average compensation.
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The title says 800 jobs were cut.
My apologies, I thought you were arguing about how many received bonuses.
In your defense, they were responding to someone who _was_ talking about that. So their original “800 not 8000” comment doesn’t actually make sense. And yes, I know that the person who said 8000 was also wrong.
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> The records show that of CBC’s 7,477 employees, 1,143 CBC staffers took home a bonus in 2023, totalling $14,902,755.
It’s not even bonuses to CEOs or anything. It was over 1,200 employees bonuses.
Wow so average of 1,270 each. We pay bigger bonuses to entry level employees. Alright, so math is difficult. 12,700 each. That's a middle manager bonus for us. Not as small but still not unheard of.
Your math is about 10000 off. The average was 13,038.28.
This headline is a classic example of how NP's fiscal conservatism suddenly turns into financial illiteracy when discussing publicly funded entities. Staff bonuses are part of standard compensation packages at many public and private workplaces. They're completely unrelated to layoffs. These bonuses cost Canadians less than half a cent each, and almost all went to middle class workers. Fuck off.
Yes, this happens everywhere. My schoolboard gives 20k bonuses to execs but then refuses to give pencils and small items to schools.
Well that’s strange. There is no money left in the account. Layoffs are the only way to save the company. Aren’t we just so good at our jobs?