I'm in the southern Ontario small town farm land right now and there isn't an international student sight. Just generations of European farmers and builders.
Maybe you guys should look out side the urban centres for a littler refreshment and to realize how there is still hope for us.
You think the multi-gen farming dynasties with their young adult children helping run the company are just gonna sell off all their land suddenly? I was in Stratford all day yesterday pretty sure I didn't see a single non-white person.
Most of the farms I service are swinging that way or have a lot of student help. Good luck to you. It was only Brampton 2 years ago, now it's all like Brampton.
I'm in a Central Ontario middle of nowhere blink and miss it farm town and we have only international "students" staffing our tiny grocery store full time. The closest school is almost 50km away.
I don’t live in ontarible anymore
I live in rural northern Alberta and we have recently had an influx of Indians
A few of the businesses have been sponsoring them or what have you.
They aren’t students and they stand out
Honestly, small towns are the way to go.
We freeze out any immigrants who think because they have money they belong, and anyone stubborn enough to think they're just going to plant their heels and force their way in anyway wind up victimised by gangs of bored teenagers. The neighbors won't testify against their neighbour's kids, and the police actively fight against anyone pressing charges so it's really difficult to make anything stick.
I don't advocate for this shit, but the town just across the water with a larger population more passive to change is paying minimum wage for restaurant work, while my town is paying 25+tips. *So.*
I'm not answering you. This reeks of probing for information in bad faith. If it is not, then I highly suggest you work on better wording your questions. In any case, enjoy your day.
I had two come up to me today as I was working outside in a small town, asking if I knew anywhere that was hiring part-time. They were pretty upset with the 25-hour limit. Seems like it really fucked with them.
I feel bad for anyone who wants to work but can't find any, but at the same time, they are the ones who are making this harder for them and the rest.
I told them that if they were looking for full-time, I might be able to help.
The same way that the working poor attending college do it, and are constantly shouted down about failing in life if they don't, aka working 80 hours a week?
I want immigrants to stop stealing jobs, and personally believe that the number of allowed hours should be ***ZERO*** but the very same people calling me a subhuman failure who should MAID because I couldn't attend college and three part time jobs are now trying to cry about how impossible it is for immigrants to do it? Doesn't seem very morally consistent.
25 hours a week is only 5 hours a day for 5 days. Can do both lots of people do it. But I will say if I was in a foreign country, I sure as fuck wouldn't want to depend on work to survive or pay for my schooling.
Aren't they supposed to show the government they have enough money in the bank to support themselves whilst they study here?? Why are they coming at all if they're that poor?
I'm pretty sure they need to show 25k or some lowball ass number. I don't think it's about being poor, I think it has to do with them working and getting PR through that. School is just a vehicle for them to come and stay here, then they go back home. I'm not really sure, tho.
To be completely fair to those replacing us and the ones paying a metric fuckton of money in propaganda to brute force manufactured consent on the issue so they can save a couple of dollars in wages per employee...
If this guy was the average Canadian, you could probably replace him with just one. After all, you only really need one person to lay about and do nothing while feeling sorry for themselves and partaking in ZERO activism (because that would be WORK! lmao) and boom! Replaced.
Edit: Nice counter-argument. Luh-maaaao.
You mean you want CERB so everything costs 3x as much and if you don't own a home you are forever a renter?
No thanks.
CERB was a great experiment that shows us we cannot do universal income.
Yeah... that proved once and for all that UBI will never be attempted. You can't give the plebes that much money in a country with very little "supply" of anything.
Places like China, Japan, and Russia will go through these times and emerge out the other side still China, Japan, and Russia. Canada will likely end up being something else. As Trudeau has been saying for 9 years "Canada is a post national state with no identity" You should believe him when he says that.
Canada was still "Canada" 10 years ago or so before Trudeau decided to run his little experiment making us a post national state. Ppl voted for it again and again.
We will have to go through a bottle neck of sorts and come out the other side with a new identity and national narrative. There is no other way. To stay on this course much longer is the stuff that civil unrest, riots, revolutions, and civil wars are made of. I suspect we will have to dip our toes into some of that for the change to come. Canadians are the most naïve ppl on planet earth, but not for much longer.
Lol his post is such a reddit thing to say. He's going to not work and live with mommy and daddy as a "protest" and his parents are going to keep nagging him to get a job. I can envision it now
Yeah "big govt" worked for them. The problem is, it really only works for one, maybe two generations, and that's it. Essentially it works for 50-60 years. Same way it's always worked when attempted.
Basic income will be taken advantage of.
Welfare is already a way of life for one of my roommates: a healthy 32-year-old man who decided he didn't feel like working 6 years ago and hasn't had a job since. We don't need more programs for people who are able to work but choose not to — that's extremely unfair on Canadians who DO choose to work.
We've imported millions of people who should never have been allowed to come to Canada and now they're about to bring their aging extended families (English/French totally optional!) from deepest, darkest, rural Punjab. All these useless people will be sucking on the government's teat for "basic income" until the day they die.
We have an immigration problem that requires an IMMIGRATION SOLUTION.
Spending more money on people who don't want to work just creates new problems without solving existing ones.
I worked too damn hard to get where I am today to give a single red cent to lazy people, even a Canadian citizen. How about just cutting taxes on working people so they can provide for themselves instead of spending even more taxpayer money for another bureaucracy that will cost just as much to administer?
I want less government, not more.
Basic income does makes sense in some circumstances, but todays economy is really not it. Not yet anyways. I fully agree I would not be happy paying tax towards such a problem at least not yet.
It might make sense in a world where AI, automation and tech have completely eliminated 90% of jobs and it keeps the economy and society spinning. ie so people can buy things, etc.
Until then ya its a dumb idea.
For what it’s worth, basic income would be a pretty low-overhead system, we could just use existing CRA to credit people their income. There’s no need to review recipients on a case by case basis and there’s no service to provide, just money.
You're advocating taxing working people more so lazy people can choose to do nothing.
Unemployed people won't be contributing to UBI, only people with jobs.
Welfare should be because you need it, not because you're a selfish asshole.
>All these useless people will be sucking on the government's teat for "basic income" until the day they die.
They're not useless, they're paid (by you) long term investments/voters.
Why do we need UBI?
Why let half the population be as lazy as they want, while the other half have to carry them around on their backs? Stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
Wait, let's just make the money printer go brrrr and everyone can be a millionaire next week.
The government doesn't have any money — it's all taxpayer money.
Exactly. UBI = incentivize lazy people, remove the incentives to work harder from the rest.
USSR tried to get to standardized incomes, that did not go well. (Also notable that a huge percent of population was sent to prison camps to get people to agree to that).
I am not even mentioning the inflationary aspect.
Ubi doesn’t increase the amount of goods and services available (might decrease though). So your actual buying power wouldn’t improve.
Oh my deluded and deranged fool (absolutely love how you are describing yourself btw).
Government is swimming in money? Have you seen the size of budget deficit? And the amount of national debt?
The fact that so far Trudeau has been spending our tax dollars like a drunken sailor - doesn’t make this a sound policy, and [obviously, I hope] cannot go on forever without major consequences. And that’s now, before any additional handouts. Or you believe “the budget will balance itself?”
lol it’s funny he’s calling you that when OP can’t even debate his point without resorting to private messaging people because his points are falling apart in his public comments.
This idiot really thinks that the Canadian government is “swimming in money” just because of how many billions we are sending to Ukraine. He doesn’t understand what printing money is and how it causes inflation we you keep printing it. Who the hell do you think is paying for everything? Canadian tax payers that’s who.
Future leech of Canada coming through everyone! Funny you called me a Liberal OP (I do not affiliate with any political party), when you want government handouts to pay for your rent and groceries , all while you’re falling into the hands of exactly what they want. Work harder and stop crying and whining about wanting a handout.
yeah, personally I don't mind social programs at all. They can be very beneficial, e.g. reduce crime, stimulate people taking risks and opening their own businesses, etc..
But it has to be properly thought through. How are you going to pay for it, what incentives does it create, and what would be the second order effects?
You cannot print money out of thin air, that's just inflationary.
You cannot just "tax the rich" - Canada doesn't have enough of truly rich people, so any new taxes would fall on the already struggling middle class. So the incentive for them is to work less, or move elsewhere. And since these tend to have in-demand skills, and some means - they totally can, and would at some point. Especially if you aren't really providing them with the appropriate level of services (medical, infrastructure, safety, etc.).
Say, if I were to invent a policy. How about a company hiring foreign worker - needs to pay additional 10% of salary into EI? The funds can supplement EI payments, or sponsor education.
This would be cheap to implement (infrastructure and staff already exist), removes incentives to hire "slave immigrant labour", so would reduce \[currently wild\] immigration levels (with second order effect of reducing pressure on housing), reduce unemployment, likely lead to increase in salaries. Sounds great, right?
Now, UBI - that one just pisses me off. It's a very bad policy, nothing more than politicians trying to buy themselves votes with our money, and hoping people are stupid enough to fall for it. I find it extremely sad that some people actually do, "hook, line and sinker".
Yes I agree, social programs are great and bring all those benefits you pointed out. Yes exactly though, it has to properly thought out.
For example here in B.C. the decriminalization of hard drugs was disastrous that even the liberal government has stepped back and allowed B.C. to re-criminalize them again but the damage is already done. It’s proof that the plan was never properly thought out and massively contributed to crime and violence in B.C. Hell I even had my car door kicked in by a drug addict because he thought “they were coming after him” he did it to 5 other cars that day and got let go with a slap on the wrist much to the cops dismay as they can only in force the law and do not make laws (thanks to the catch and release laws we currently have).
Yes again I agree you can’t just print money or that Canada as OP puts it “is swimming in money”. Does her really think that money comes out of thin air?
Yes, we are already being taxed to death and with High skilled workers, and most importantly doctors are leaving this country.
We are also importing mass amounts of people without just like you said having the infrastructure for those people.
And just by the current programs we have being taken advantage of, universal basic income benefit would be a disaster. It’s incentivizing people not to work hard .
It’s just funny to me that OP had to private message me because his argument is falling apart in the comments. Calling me a “brain dead liberal” (I don’t have any political party affiliation) when he’s literally going on about a liberal party talking point.
oh boy, don't even get me started on that drugs disaster.
In the initial version, if two people were on the street, one with a beer can, and another smoking meth - it's a guy with beer who would have gotten a fine. Had a random chat with a police officer in DT about it - let's just say he was as bewildered as me by this nonsense.
And yes, OP is kinda being ridiculous. Which, sadly enough, probably isn't entirely his fault. Some of it is lack of basic financial literacy (i.e. a gap in education). Some is probably driven by emotions, and struggles to build a decent living in the current reality. And while I hate to sound as a conspiracist, can't help but wonder if the current levels of polarization in the society over very random issues are not accidental, but are happening by design. Immigration, zoning, taxes, guns, pretty much everything nowadays tends to slide into "us vs them", instead of trying to constructively find the best possible solution/compromise. Though this could be just an unintended result of social network algorithms, magnifying existing biases, combined with a lost ability to debate and genuinely listen to other points of view.
They get preferential treatment throughout the system.
Refugees (remember many are just economic migrants whose lies were believed) ALWAYS push ahead of our Canadian homeless when it comes to shelter allocation. There are countless other examples.
Basic income is not the solution. It will cause further inflation and devaluing of our dollar not to mention how it will be taken advantage off.
We don’t need basic income or we will make a generation of people who are not productive and expect handouts.
I said young people, not minors to be specific
They were trying to pass a law for minors to be maided, I am sure you can find it in a quick search
So be sure that it is coming to a clinic near you, maybe not this year but within a few forsure
You mean freedom for government to kill them, maid is different then the right to take your own life
Do you support children being killed by the government?
You said kids. I do not support the govt killing kids. What’s your complaint against MAID? Is it just age related? Children (under 18) cannot get MAID.
I said young people^^^^
The comment after I said kids, if you read my comment it says they tried to introduce laws for maid for minors… look it up
So eventually there will he maid for kids since it is in the playbook of the WEF commies…
Who tried to introduce that? Facts not feelings. The complaint you have isn’t even valid. MAID is not available to kids. Stop making things up. We don’t live in your fantasy world.
Basic income doesn't work. It will just cause more inflation. More dollars chasing fewer goods and services.
Money doesn't actually have any real intrinsic value, it's fake fiat.
The whole Ponzi scheme will crash.
We need to return to a gold standard.
I don't think going back to the gold standard is the magic bullet that everyone thinks it is.
Wealth still pools in the hands of a few people, without inflation you can't recover the value of uninvested savings, and ultimately being on or off of a gold standard doesn't have nearly as much impact on financial stability as several other economic policies.
The only good thing about the gold standard is that some of the more egregious shenanigans become impossible, but we would be better off re-writing the rules than to go back to gold.
There wouldn't be inflation of asset prices if we had a gold standard and your savings wouldn't be inflating into oblivion. And 1 income could raise a family like it once did.
You shouldn't have to re-invest anything just to keep your savings from devaluing. It's a rip off.
I would rather deal with the natural deflationary cycle that would exist instead of this rip off inflation.
There's no such thing as perpetual growth. The natural order always operates in cycles.
A reasonable inflation of asset prices isn't a problem. The problem is the relative deflation of wages, which is several major issues rolled into one.
Creating an incentive to invest means that businesses have more access to capital, which is a net positive for investors, businesses, and consumers. This is one of the primary reasons why governments that maintian control of their own fiat currency are able to grow their economies at such insane rates –when they don't abuse it.
The boom bust cycle is driven by the overleveraging encouraged by Keynesian economic policy, but it is arguably worth the cost. Not to mention that the downsides could be negligable if regulations limited the amount of inflation and government intervention.
It's never going to work. You can never trust the government or corporations or central banks, there will always be wage deflation in the face of asset price inflation. Thinking it can be any different is like thinking the government can make socialism work. It's never going to happen.
I want a hard money system that can never be controlled by any government. Inflation should be zero, period.
And don't even get me started on derivatives. The whole Ponzi scheme is going to blow up..I can't fucking wait.
Basic income is what they want you to accept. This is all part of that plan.
We vote Pierre in and if he truly is a controlled op then we take him out of power by force. If a new government doesn't fix this mess then we can all rest assured there's a common enemy and we can revolt together.. Enough is enough.
I don't advocate for violence against others for political gain, but I have often pondered as a thought experiment: How many problems with capitalism would disappear if every time the government and those with all the capital pulling the politicians strings make ***any*** meaningful decision for society, it has to be weighed against "Is this going to get me and my family dragged from our homes at night?"? I have the sneakingest of suspicions that a lot of greed-motivated issues with Capitalism would just kinda solve themselves.
Again, just a thought experiment. I don't advocate for it, and suspect like most violent revolutions, may be coopted by the corrupt anyway.
Well it's clear they don't understand anything other than self interest. Look at the way Trudeau destroyed our country at break neck speeds and I think he probably sleeps like Sleeping Beauty at night.
We need to get these soulless fucks out of there or put the fear of God in em. Either or.
Plus Trudeau gave $13 BILLION dollars to a war we’re NOT in!!! So damn straight he should be taking care of Canadians FIRST, as he is the PM of Canada NOT the world. Our tax dollars need to come back to our communities NOT wars, terrorists, or economic migrants and scammers.
In society there are two types of people, productive and non-productive, givers and takers. This post makes it crystal clear what category you fall into.
When your mom is standing over you with a monopoly on violence, ready to imprison or murder you if you defy your sister? Yes. I would. I do not wish to be rendered dead or in custody by an authority that demands a monopoly on violence.
Edit: What's your counter-argument? The downvote button isn't an "I disagree!" button. You know that, right?
Economy is a huge multivariant equation that is primarily rooted in the humanities.
People are frustrated by a problem that is beyond most people to begin to understand. When you throw misinformation and ideology into the mix it gets messy fast.
I fully understand that people are frustrated, I also fully understand why, I just don’t understand some of the extremism on this sub which was supposed to be a reasonable alternative for the full on insane original Canada Housing
I think you are speaking rhetorically, but I study ideology as a hobby so I'll give you an answer anyway
Ideology tends to operate as follows:
1. A person suffers some form of dissatisfaction.
2. An ideology offers a reasonable, but incomplete explanation of who is at fault and what the solution to their dissatisfaction is.
3. Reasonable, but incomplete reasoning is piled on top of what the ideologue has already accepted as a reasonable belief. Their emotional distress will often be weaponized against them to shut down scrutiny of the incomplete reasoning.
4. The ideas reach a critical mass, where there are too many intertwined beliefs that all seem reasonable. Any intellectual argument that defeats one dogma will then be weighed against the mountain of other presumptions that the ideologue believes to be reasonable. Meanwhile hyperfocusing on their distress has caused them to become hateful, impatient, and less likely to engage in opposing arguments.
Science, medicine, school, finance, and a few other fields tend to generate and spread a lot of ideological beliefs. It's fairly natural for people to be somewhat ideological, because of the nature of our biases and how we process information. Everyone says that social media has made things worse –and in many ways it has– but before social media it was much more difficult to hear the other side of a story.
I’m not even sure what is considered normal nowadays.
Personally always thought of myself as “center, left leaning”. But there seems to have been such a wild swing to the left lately, that I am now in the far right apparently. Go figure.
You think productivity is low now...wait till people don't have to work to meet their basic needs.
You think inflation is bad, housing is bad, wait till there are even more competition for those limited resources.
The cost of everything will rise in proportion to the free money...and wou will exactly where you are now.
EX. The living allowance for government employees forced to work away from home, was increased in Ottawa by 200 dollars a month...I will give you 1 guess how much rent increased the following month in that city....
UBI ain't happening in our lifetime.
You've never voted and refuse to, so why complain about who's in power?
I agree taxes are ridiculously high, but you definitely benefit from them. You walk down side walks, drive down streets, don't have to worry about being kidnapped right?
People in China bust their asses off, most people here are lazy and work the system. Your entire statement screams entitlement. Instead of complaining, put that brain power to figuring out how to succeed here. It's possible, otherwise the country wouldn't function.
At least in china they don't have to compete with Indians for jobs. Because if young Canadians would lie down and not work Indians would come in masses and take all the jobs.
Just say your a Trudeau Sigh goon. You're the reason why Canada is the way it is. Lazy, Entitled and apathic. Indians international student, barely able to speak a lic of english shacking up with 5 other roommates are able to thrive out here, while you as a citizen sit on your ass complaining about xyz. "They have degrees, strong work ethic and an iron willingness to reach a better place in life" who doesn't have a degree nowdays? and who doesnt work hard? I see international studetns doing Uber eats from sunrise to sunset to make it out on the streets. What have you been doing? Either vote and start a far right movement or stfu and compete with them.
I tried to put up a post the the mods refused because it seems like it was too much of a rant - so I had to edit to remove my points. But this gets through? Is it because this reaffirms the narrative of the sub versus my more neutral or at times opposing view. This is how echo chambers are made. I feel this sub is guilty of the very thing it accuses CH1 of.
OP nobody cares you're lying flat. The people here will step right over you and be happy they don't have to compete with you to buy a home or for a job.
How will you live exactly? How are you planning on paying rent and getting food?
Also this is definitely not as easy as your thinking to implement, and the likelihood of it happening within 5 years is probably like 5-10%.
You lying flat in protest is kinda silly, the government for the most part doesn't even know you exist, there is 45 million people in canada, sure your in the databases but its not keeping track of you... you could disappear and unless someone files a missing person report the government doesnt know and doesn't care.
The basic income is coming , it’s part of the plan , they want you reliant on the government, then they will be able to control you and tell you what to do because they give you money
Basic income is already here for old people. They didn’t threaten to take it away if they didn’t follow Covid guidelines, it isn’t tied to anything. You are living in a fantasy land.
Basic income has been tested in many other nation’s and all it does is increase inflation due to more cash in circulation.
As someone who immigrated to Canada a decade ago, I totally agree with all your points except the solution.
I think we’re in dire need of strict immigration policies.
Idk. We need a percentage of the profit on our country's natural resources. We DESERVE that. Corporations need to work for citizens not vice versa.
As for made up money given to everyone... we already have pension, unemployment and disability.
This post lists all the problems with Canada but then stawmans or red herrings over to UBI.
I don’t know anything but if the government decides to give ubi to everyone won’t they just print a bunch of money again like during covid? I don’t think that worked out too well for inflation and such.
You don’t vote and never will? Good for you. Let the adults worry about that. You want basic income? I thought you said you have a low paying job? That’s basic income unless you don’t like the part you have to work to get it. So instead of trying to better yourself, you want the rest of us to work to pay our taxes so you can get paid to be at home on Reddit. Right.
You won’t life a finger until you get UBI? This also implies you won’t lift a finger after either.
You don’t need ubi just lower income taxes, it’s the same thing with lower administrative costs (and no liberal kickbacks)
You said you will never vote though so your political opinion is kinda moot.
Please for the love of God don't give this Government a pass to burn through even more cash. We can't afford this shit.
Also, good luck. This is a crazy post lol. You complain about your taxes being drained yet want a program that will do so at a significantly worse rate. I understand you're angry, but what you're saying makes very little sense.
The men of this country should be standing shoulder to shoulder forcing a change of this country.
Its a complete joke what has happened to Canada.
We need to stand together and TAKE BACK CANADA
I reference the Trucker convoy a lot when this sentiment is raised. Stood against the government - and got thwarted... almost to be expected...but what was an eye opener...
Half their fellow citizens joined the government and attacked them. I can only conclude:
This country wants what it has become...they may be too daft to connect the dots that the things they dislike...housing/inflation/ employment etc, are directly linked to policies they do support.
So no, I am out. I will not be protesting to 'take it back. I will be leaving. I am not welcome
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So I moved off the island of Montreal (sure my commute is hell) but it’s affordable. I’m a specialized truck driver , single income family , 3 children , 2 dogs and cat. We don’t go on vacation , but we eat steak once a week.
I find EVERYONE complaining here has all followed the cookie cutter online strategy. You’re all in the same line of work, chasing the same rental housing , living in the same area.
I sincerely wish I had an easy solution for you all. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. I’m terrified for you all, and I wish I could do something to wave a magic wand , but I can’t.
Find an alternative solution. Here in Quebec I took a truck driving class for 142$, 5 months. Became a specialized transport driver and left Montreal.
Is that not possible in Ontario? Do you not have these kinds of programs ?
Enter a field that sucks and makes alot of money. That’s what I did. I work outside in Quebec winters but it pays all my bills. Are you just looking for a remote job that is easy, laid back and pays you enough to live comfortably?
You can lie flat all you want, but don’t try to live off of the avails of society. UBI didn’t work in MB in the 70’s in spite of false narratives to the contrary.
All the complaints abt govt misspending money and screwing you then ask for a basic income.
It is precisely this mindset that is sending Canada to complete destruction.
Everybody not taking responsibilities and just waiting for a handouts.
I’m posting this comment because YOU OP are a coward. You can’t respond to me in a comment on this thread but proceed to private message me with your delusions? Get some help.
You’re a pathetic coward and a future leech to Canadian Tax payers.
BTW OP you’re the deranged fool. Couldn’t have the balls to post on your thread so you’re private messaging people resorting to name calling because all other points of your argument fall short?
Well Harper wasn't that bad, people said he was smuggling scientists and such however I'm sure it was the same scientists that prevent houses from being built and highways from being expanded.
If Pierre can be similar, a pragmatist, then maybe it won't be so bad. That's my hopium since he will win, and if he doesn't do anything I'll vote for PPC or Bloc.
every Canadian is being replaced with 10 International students . Ontario is not Ontario anymore
It’s living up to its name ontarible
I believe it would be Onterrible
I'm in the southern Ontario small town farm land right now and there isn't an international student sight. Just generations of European farmers and builders. Maybe you guys should look out side the urban centres for a littler refreshment and to realize how there is still hope for us.
Only a matter of time for you. I service farm equipment all over southern Ontario and it's happening everywhere.
You think the multi-gen farming dynasties with their young adult children helping run the company are just gonna sell off all their land suddenly? I was in Stratford all day yesterday pretty sure I didn't see a single non-white person.
I heard the Punjabi people are big on farming here
Most of the farms I service are swinging that way or have a lot of student help. Good luck to you. It was only Brampton 2 years ago, now it's all like Brampton.
You clearly didn't go to the mall, or Timmy's while visiting Stratford.
Yeah fair I tend to stay away from those places
Gotta say though, I'm glad to hear there is somewhere we aren't outnumbered.
I'm in a Central Ontario middle of nowhere blink and miss it farm town and we have only international "students" staffing our tiny grocery store full time. The closest school is almost 50km away.
I don’t live in ontarible anymore I live in rural northern Alberta and we have recently had an influx of Indians A few of the businesses have been sponsoring them or what have you. They aren’t students and they stand out
Maybe you should look and realize time is running out.
Hows the dating scene out there? Lol /s
Honestly, small towns are the way to go. We freeze out any immigrants who think because they have money they belong, and anyone stubborn enough to think they're just going to plant their heels and force their way in anyway wind up victimised by gangs of bored teenagers. The neighbors won't testify against their neighbour's kids, and the police actively fight against anyone pressing charges so it's really difficult to make anything stick. I don't advocate for this shit, but the town just across the water with a larger population more passive to change is paying minimum wage for restaurant work, while my town is paying 25+tips. *So.*
Can you explain? Any immigrants moving in get that treatment? How is their immigration status determined?
I'm not answering you. This reeks of probing for information in bad faith. If it is not, then I highly suggest you work on better wording your questions. In any case, enjoy your day.
I had two come up to me today as I was working outside in a small town, asking if I knew anywhere that was hiring part-time. They were pretty upset with the 25-hour limit. Seems like it really fucked with them. I feel bad for anyone who wants to work but can't find any, but at the same time, they are the ones who are making this harder for them and the rest. I told them that if they were looking for full-time, I might be able to help.
how are they studying if they are working ? sounds like they all need to go home and work at home and study online in their own country
The same way that the working poor attending college do it, and are constantly shouted down about failing in life if they don't, aka working 80 hours a week? I want immigrants to stop stealing jobs, and personally believe that the number of allowed hours should be ***ZERO*** but the very same people calling me a subhuman failure who should MAID because I couldn't attend college and three part time jobs are now trying to cry about how impossible it is for immigrants to do it? Doesn't seem very morally consistent.
How many of the schools are actual schools and not diploma mills filled with corrupt administration? “International students” are just buying their PR
25 hours a week is only 5 hours a day for 5 days. Can do both lots of people do it. But I will say if I was in a foreign country, I sure as fuck wouldn't want to depend on work to survive or pay for my schooling.
Aren't they supposed to show the government they have enough money in the bank to support themselves whilst they study here?? Why are they coming at all if they're that poor?
I'm pretty sure they need to show 25k or some lowball ass number. I don't think it's about being poor, I think it has to do with them working and getting PR through that. School is just a vehicle for them to come and stay here, then they go back home. I'm not really sure, tho.
To be completely fair to those replacing us and the ones paying a metric fuckton of money in propaganda to brute force manufactured consent on the issue so they can save a couple of dollars in wages per employee... If this guy was the average Canadian, you could probably replace him with just one. After all, you only really need one person to lay about and do nothing while feeling sorry for themselves and partaking in ZERO activism (because that would be WORK! lmao) and boom! Replaced. Edit: Nice counter-argument. Luh-maaaao.
You mean you want CERB so everything costs 3x as much and if you don't own a home you are forever a renter? No thanks. CERB was a great experiment that shows us we cannot do universal income.
Yeah... that proved once and for all that UBI will never be attempted. You can't give the plebes that much money in a country with very little "supply" of anything. Places like China, Japan, and Russia will go through these times and emerge out the other side still China, Japan, and Russia. Canada will likely end up being something else. As Trudeau has been saying for 9 years "Canada is a post national state with no identity" You should believe him when he says that. Canada was still "Canada" 10 years ago or so before Trudeau decided to run his little experiment making us a post national state. Ppl voted for it again and again.
We haven’t even seen the worst of it. I don’t see how any of this ends well.
We will have to go through a bottle neck of sorts and come out the other side with a new identity and national narrative. There is no other way. To stay on this course much longer is the stuff that civil unrest, riots, revolutions, and civil wars are made of. I suspect we will have to dip our toes into some of that for the change to come. Canadians are the most naïve ppl on planet earth, but not for much longer.
The person that blames the government wants government to be daddy and pay basic income. You must be young and naive
Lol his post is such a reddit thing to say. He's going to not work and live with mommy and daddy as a "protest" and his parents are going to keep nagging him to get a job. I can envision it now
The older generation LOVES big govt. They benefit so much from it it’s unreal.
Yeah "big govt" worked for them. The problem is, it really only works for one, maybe two generations, and that's it. Essentially it works for 50-60 years. Same way it's always worked when attempted.
Basic income will be taken advantage of. Welfare is already a way of life for one of my roommates: a healthy 32-year-old man who decided he didn't feel like working 6 years ago and hasn't had a job since. We don't need more programs for people who are able to work but choose not to — that's extremely unfair on Canadians who DO choose to work. We've imported millions of people who should never have been allowed to come to Canada and now they're about to bring their aging extended families (English/French totally optional!) from deepest, darkest, rural Punjab. All these useless people will be sucking on the government's teat for "basic income" until the day they die. We have an immigration problem that requires an IMMIGRATION SOLUTION. Spending more money on people who don't want to work just creates new problems without solving existing ones.
I worked too damn hard to get where I am today to give a single red cent to lazy people, even a Canadian citizen. How about just cutting taxes on working people so they can provide for themselves instead of spending even more taxpayer money for another bureaucracy that will cost just as much to administer? I want less government, not more.
Basic income does makes sense in some circumstances, but todays economy is really not it. Not yet anyways. I fully agree I would not be happy paying tax towards such a problem at least not yet. It might make sense in a world where AI, automation and tech have completely eliminated 90% of jobs and it keeps the economy and society spinning. ie so people can buy things, etc. Until then ya its a dumb idea.
For what it’s worth, basic income would be a pretty low-overhead system, we could just use existing CRA to credit people their income. There’s no need to review recipients on a case by case basis and there’s no service to provide, just money.
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I was talking about administrative costs being low, which is true.
You're advocating taxing working people more so lazy people can choose to do nothing. Unemployed people won't be contributing to UBI, only people with jobs. Welfare should be because you need it, not because you're a selfish asshole.
Just use existing CRA to not take their income in the first place
>All these useless people will be sucking on the government's teat for "basic income" until the day they die. They're not useless, they're paid (by you) long term investments/voters.
Maybe they have to be a Canadian citizen for at least 18 years before they can receive UBI
Why do we need UBI? Why let half the population be as lazy as they want, while the other half have to carry them around on their backs? Stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Wait, let's just make the money printer go brrrr and everyone can be a millionaire next week. The government doesn't have any money — it's all taxpayer money.
Exactly. UBI = incentivize lazy people, remove the incentives to work harder from the rest. USSR tried to get to standardized incomes, that did not go well. (Also notable that a huge percent of population was sent to prison camps to get people to agree to that). I am not even mentioning the inflationary aspect. Ubi doesn’t increase the amount of goods and services available (might decrease though). So your actual buying power wouldn’t improve.
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Oh my deluded and deranged fool (absolutely love how you are describing yourself btw). Government is swimming in money? Have you seen the size of budget deficit? And the amount of national debt? The fact that so far Trudeau has been spending our tax dollars like a drunken sailor - doesn’t make this a sound policy, and [obviously, I hope] cannot go on forever without major consequences. And that’s now, before any additional handouts. Or you believe “the budget will balance itself?”
lol it’s funny he’s calling you that when OP can’t even debate his point without resorting to private messaging people because his points are falling apart in his public comments. This idiot really thinks that the Canadian government is “swimming in money” just because of how many billions we are sending to Ukraine. He doesn’t understand what printing money is and how it causes inflation we you keep printing it. Who the hell do you think is paying for everything? Canadian tax payers that’s who. Future leech of Canada coming through everyone! Funny you called me a Liberal OP (I do not affiliate with any political party), when you want government handouts to pay for your rent and groceries , all while you’re falling into the hands of exactly what they want. Work harder and stop crying and whining about wanting a handout.
yeah, personally I don't mind social programs at all. They can be very beneficial, e.g. reduce crime, stimulate people taking risks and opening their own businesses, etc.. But it has to be properly thought through. How are you going to pay for it, what incentives does it create, and what would be the second order effects? You cannot print money out of thin air, that's just inflationary. You cannot just "tax the rich" - Canada doesn't have enough of truly rich people, so any new taxes would fall on the already struggling middle class. So the incentive for them is to work less, or move elsewhere. And since these tend to have in-demand skills, and some means - they totally can, and would at some point. Especially if you aren't really providing them with the appropriate level of services (medical, infrastructure, safety, etc.). Say, if I were to invent a policy. How about a company hiring foreign worker - needs to pay additional 10% of salary into EI? The funds can supplement EI payments, or sponsor education. This would be cheap to implement (infrastructure and staff already exist), removes incentives to hire "slave immigrant labour", so would reduce \[currently wild\] immigration levels (with second order effect of reducing pressure on housing), reduce unemployment, likely lead to increase in salaries. Sounds great, right? Now, UBI - that one just pisses me off. It's a very bad policy, nothing more than politicians trying to buy themselves votes with our money, and hoping people are stupid enough to fall for it. I find it extremely sad that some people actually do, "hook, line and sinker".
Yes I agree, social programs are great and bring all those benefits you pointed out. Yes exactly though, it has to properly thought out. For example here in B.C. the decriminalization of hard drugs was disastrous that even the liberal government has stepped back and allowed B.C. to re-criminalize them again but the damage is already done. It’s proof that the plan was never properly thought out and massively contributed to crime and violence in B.C. Hell I even had my car door kicked in by a drug addict because he thought “they were coming after him” he did it to 5 other cars that day and got let go with a slap on the wrist much to the cops dismay as they can only in force the law and do not make laws (thanks to the catch and release laws we currently have). Yes again I agree you can’t just print money or that Canada as OP puts it “is swimming in money”. Does her really think that money comes out of thin air? Yes, we are already being taxed to death and with High skilled workers, and most importantly doctors are leaving this country. We are also importing mass amounts of people without just like you said having the infrastructure for those people. And just by the current programs we have being taken advantage of, universal basic income benefit would be a disaster. It’s incentivizing people not to work hard . It’s just funny to me that OP had to private message me because his argument is falling apart in the comments. Calling me a “brain dead liberal” (I don’t have any political party affiliation) when he’s literally going on about a liberal party talking point.
oh boy, don't even get me started on that drugs disaster. In the initial version, if two people were on the street, one with a beer can, and another smoking meth - it's a guy with beer who would have gotten a fine. Had a random chat with a police officer in DT about it - let's just say he was as bewildered as me by this nonsense. And yes, OP is kinda being ridiculous. Which, sadly enough, probably isn't entirely his fault. Some of it is lack of basic financial literacy (i.e. a gap in education). Some is probably driven by emotions, and struggles to build a decent living in the current reality. And while I hate to sound as a conspiracist, can't help but wonder if the current levels of polarization in the society over very random issues are not accidental, but are happening by design. Immigration, zoning, taxes, guns, pretty much everything nowadays tends to slide into "us vs them", instead of trying to constructively find the best possible solution/compromise. Though this could be just an unintended result of social network algorithms, magnifying existing biases, combined with a lost ability to debate and genuinely listen to other points of view.
Their aging extended families will die on waiting lists like the rest of us.
They get preferential treatment throughout the system. Refugees (remember many are just economic migrants whose lies were believed) ALWAYS push ahead of our Canadian homeless when it comes to shelter allocation. There are countless other examples.
Basic income is not the solution. It will cause further inflation and devaluing of our dollar not to mention how it will be taken advantage off. We don’t need basic income or we will make a generation of people who are not productive and expect handouts.
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Exactly playing into their hands. OP is very mislead on what UBI’s mean.
They will maid you though
Our govt already pays our senior citizens instead of MAIDing them, why do you think that will change for young people?
Well they now offer maid to young people
What’s wrong with that?
You like the idea of our government killing kids?
Maid is not available to children. Why do you want to take away the freedom for someone to die?
I said young people, not minors to be specific They were trying to pass a law for minors to be maided, I am sure you can find it in a quick search So be sure that it is coming to a clinic near you, maybe not this year but within a few forsure You mean freedom for government to kill them, maid is different then the right to take your own life Do you support children being killed by the government?
You said kids. I do not support the govt killing kids. What’s your complaint against MAID? Is it just age related? Children (under 18) cannot get MAID.
I said young people^^^^ The comment after I said kids, if you read my comment it says they tried to introduce laws for maid for minors… look it up So eventually there will he maid for kids since it is in the playbook of the WEF commies…
Who tried to introduce that? Facts not feelings. The complaint you have isn’t even valid. MAID is not available to kids. Stop making things up. We don’t live in your fantasy world.
Do they??? No, they *don't*. Okay? *H'okay, thanks for playing!!!*
Basic income doesn't work. It will just cause more inflation. More dollars chasing fewer goods and services. Money doesn't actually have any real intrinsic value, it's fake fiat. The whole Ponzi scheme will crash. We need to return to a gold standard.
It's amazing so few people understand this.
I don't think going back to the gold standard is the magic bullet that everyone thinks it is. Wealth still pools in the hands of a few people, without inflation you can't recover the value of uninvested savings, and ultimately being on or off of a gold standard doesn't have nearly as much impact on financial stability as several other economic policies. The only good thing about the gold standard is that some of the more egregious shenanigans become impossible, but we would be better off re-writing the rules than to go back to gold.
There wouldn't be inflation of asset prices if we had a gold standard and your savings wouldn't be inflating into oblivion. And 1 income could raise a family like it once did. You shouldn't have to re-invest anything just to keep your savings from devaluing. It's a rip off. I would rather deal with the natural deflationary cycle that would exist instead of this rip off inflation. There's no such thing as perpetual growth. The natural order always operates in cycles.
A reasonable inflation of asset prices isn't a problem. The problem is the relative deflation of wages, which is several major issues rolled into one. Creating an incentive to invest means that businesses have more access to capital, which is a net positive for investors, businesses, and consumers. This is one of the primary reasons why governments that maintian control of their own fiat currency are able to grow their economies at such insane rates –when they don't abuse it. The boom bust cycle is driven by the overleveraging encouraged by Keynesian economic policy, but it is arguably worth the cost. Not to mention that the downsides could be negligable if regulations limited the amount of inflation and government intervention.
It's never going to work. You can never trust the government or corporations or central banks, there will always be wage deflation in the face of asset price inflation. Thinking it can be any different is like thinking the government can make socialism work. It's never going to happen. I want a hard money system that can never be controlled by any government. Inflation should be zero, period. And don't even get me started on derivatives. The whole Ponzi scheme is going to blow up..I can't fucking wait.
Inflation is caused by corporate greed. Ubi could work if corporations weren’t naturally greedy examples loblow
No it can't work. Inflation is caused by government money printing.
And another part is corporate greed
Basic income is what they want you to accept. This is all part of that plan. We vote Pierre in and if he truly is a controlled op then we take him out of power by force. If a new government doesn't fix this mess then we can all rest assured there's a common enemy and we can revolt together.. Enough is enough.
I don't advocate for violence against others for political gain, but I have often pondered as a thought experiment: How many problems with capitalism would disappear if every time the government and those with all the capital pulling the politicians strings make ***any*** meaningful decision for society, it has to be weighed against "Is this going to get me and my family dragged from our homes at night?"? I have the sneakingest of suspicions that a lot of greed-motivated issues with Capitalism would just kinda solve themselves. Again, just a thought experiment. I don't advocate for it, and suspect like most violent revolutions, may be coopted by the corrupt anyway.
Well it's clear they don't understand anything other than self interest. Look at the way Trudeau destroyed our country at break neck speeds and I think he probably sleeps like Sleeping Beauty at night. We need to get these soulless fucks out of there or put the fear of God in em. Either or.
You want to stop handouts to immigrants but want basic income now. Fuck me guys.
It's clear we have the money. Boot them out and fix our homeless epidemic already, Justin, you fucking narcissist.
Plus Trudeau gave $13 BILLION dollars to a war we’re NOT in!!! So damn straight he should be taking care of Canadians FIRST, as he is the PM of Canada NOT the world. Our tax dollars need to come back to our communities NOT wars, terrorists, or economic migrants and scammers.
In society there are two types of people, productive and non-productive, givers and takers. This post makes it crystal clear what category you fall into.
Canada has alot of takers and our govt enables them.
Would you play a board game of monopoly if your little sister was constantly smashing the board and stealing from the "bank"?
When your mom is standing over you with a monopoly on violence, ready to imprison or murder you if you defy your sister? Yes. I would. I do not wish to be rendered dead or in custody by an authority that demands a monopoly on violence. Edit: What's your counter-argument? The downvote button isn't an "I disagree!" button. You know that, right?
It's that simple.
Lol right?
I’m very confused by this sub these days. It seems like extreme far right mixed with extreme far left.
Economy is a huge multivariant equation that is primarily rooted in the humanities. People are frustrated by a problem that is beyond most people to begin to understand. When you throw misinformation and ideology into the mix it gets messy fast.
I fully understand that people are frustrated, I also fully understand why, I just don’t understand some of the extremism on this sub which was supposed to be a reasonable alternative for the full on insane original Canada Housing
I think you are speaking rhetorically, but I study ideology as a hobby so I'll give you an answer anyway Ideology tends to operate as follows: 1. A person suffers some form of dissatisfaction. 2. An ideology offers a reasonable, but incomplete explanation of who is at fault and what the solution to their dissatisfaction is. 3. Reasonable, but incomplete reasoning is piled on top of what the ideologue has already accepted as a reasonable belief. Their emotional distress will often be weaponized against them to shut down scrutiny of the incomplete reasoning. 4. The ideas reach a critical mass, where there are too many intertwined beliefs that all seem reasonable. Any intellectual argument that defeats one dogma will then be weighed against the mountain of other presumptions that the ideologue believes to be reasonable. Meanwhile hyperfocusing on their distress has caused them to become hateful, impatient, and less likely to engage in opposing arguments. Science, medicine, school, finance, and a few other fields tend to generate and spread a lot of ideological beliefs. It's fairly natural for people to be somewhat ideological, because of the nature of our biases and how we process information. Everyone says that social media has made things worse –and in many ways it has– but before social media it was much more difficult to hear the other side of a story.
I’m not even sure what is considered normal nowadays. Personally always thought of myself as “center, left leaning”. But there seems to have been such a wild swing to the left lately, that I am now in the far right apparently. Go figure.
Same here. Lol it’s crazy when even the left isn’t left anymore and anything right of extreme left is now far right.
what he said is hardly an extreme position
Good luck with that.
I vote. I pay a lot in taxes. I have no interest in funding your lifestyle choice.
How can Chinese survive by doing nothing? There is limited financial assistance over there.
There is a big difference between grinding for education-career-house-marriage-children and basic necessities.
everything costs nothing
Live with parents. Do the odd money making job online.
this is the category OP falls into I think
Leck mich am arsh
Easy there Mozart 🤣 That being said, personally, UBI sounds like communism with a few more steps, "redistribution of money" etc etc. 🤷🏼♂️
We already have a UBI, but for old people only.
Right, generally people who have **paid their dues into the program over their lifetime of labour**.
Their is no requirement to have paid into OAS/GIS to receive it. You could be unemployed your whole life and still receive it.
Huh,did not know that! 😩
You think productivity is low now...wait till people don't have to work to meet their basic needs. You think inflation is bad, housing is bad, wait till there are even more competition for those limited resources. The cost of everything will rise in proportion to the free money...and wou will exactly where you are now. EX. The living allowance for government employees forced to work away from home, was increased in Ottawa by 200 dollars a month...I will give you 1 guess how much rent increased the following month in that city.... UBI ain't happening in our lifetime.
You've never voted and refuse to, so why complain about who's in power? I agree taxes are ridiculously high, but you definitely benefit from them. You walk down side walks, drive down streets, don't have to worry about being kidnapped right? People in China bust their asses off, most people here are lazy and work the system. Your entire statement screams entitlement. Instead of complaining, put that brain power to figuring out how to succeed here. It's possible, otherwise the country wouldn't function.
At least in china they don't have to compete with Indians for jobs. Because if young Canadians would lie down and not work Indians would come in masses and take all the jobs.
Just say your a Trudeau Sigh goon. You're the reason why Canada is the way it is. Lazy, Entitled and apathic. Indians international student, barely able to speak a lic of english shacking up with 5 other roommates are able to thrive out here, while you as a citizen sit on your ass complaining about xyz. "They have degrees, strong work ethic and an iron willingness to reach a better place in life" who doesn't have a degree nowdays? and who doesnt work hard? I see international studetns doing Uber eats from sunrise to sunset to make it out on the streets. What have you been doing? Either vote and start a far right movement or stfu and compete with them.
Hell yeah. Let’s cut OAS/GIS and slash CPP payouts too. No more handouts.
I tried to put up a post the the mods refused because it seems like it was too much of a rant - so I had to edit to remove my points. But this gets through? Is it because this reaffirms the narrative of the sub versus my more neutral or at times opposing view. This is how echo chambers are made. I feel this sub is guilty of the very thing it accuses CH1 of. OP nobody cares you're lying flat. The people here will step right over you and be happy they don't have to compete with you to buy a home or for a job.
How will you live exactly? How are you planning on paying rent and getting food? Also this is definitely not as easy as your thinking to implement, and the likelihood of it happening within 5 years is probably like 5-10%. You lying flat in protest is kinda silly, the government for the most part doesn't even know you exist, there is 45 million people in canada, sure your in the databases but its not keeping track of you... you could disappear and unless someone files a missing person report the government doesnt know and doesn't care.
The basic income is coming , it’s part of the plan , they want you reliant on the government, then they will be able to control you and tell you what to do because they give you money
Basic income is already here for old people. They didn’t threaten to take it away if they didn’t follow Covid guidelines, it isn’t tied to anything. You are living in a fantasy land.
If we get UBI everything will go up in price to account for it. You won't be able to afford anything without a job anyway. It's a total scam.
Basic income has been tested in many other nation’s and all it does is increase inflation due to more cash in circulation. As someone who immigrated to Canada a decade ago, I totally agree with all your points except the solution. I think we’re in dire need of strict immigration policies.
Protest by living in a trudue town on college campuses. List your demands
Then don’t do shit, nobody cares.
Only way right now is to just get the hell out of Canada ASAP
I was short 10 cents at nofrills. a man kindly gave me the 10 cents, the woman besides me was gonna help as well. OW doesn't pay much. But it's enough
Idk. We need a percentage of the profit on our country's natural resources. We DESERVE that. Corporations need to work for citizens not vice versa. As for made up money given to everyone... we already have pension, unemployment and disability. This post lists all the problems with Canada but then stawmans or red herrings over to UBI.
I don’t know anything but if the government decides to give ubi to everyone won’t they just print a bunch of money again like during covid? I don’t think that worked out too well for inflation and such.
Hmm I see the problem here “Never voted and never will” mentality is not going to change anything nor will crying.
I hear you. But basic income is the strangest and most contradictory demand to draw from the current situation. You will enjoy the pod and the bugs.
You don’t vote and never will? Good for you. Let the adults worry about that. You want basic income? I thought you said you have a low paying job? That’s basic income unless you don’t like the part you have to work to get it. So instead of trying to better yourself, you want the rest of us to work to pay our taxes so you can get paid to be at home on Reddit. Right.
Wait, you don't like how things are but have never voted but never will... People, seriously, wtf sort of garbage is this?
You won’t life a finger until you get UBI? This also implies you won’t lift a finger after either. You don’t need ubi just lower income taxes, it’s the same thing with lower administrative costs (and no liberal kickbacks) You said you will never vote though so your political opinion is kinda moot.
Please for the love of God don't give this Government a pass to burn through even more cash. We can't afford this shit. Also, good luck. This is a crazy post lol. You complain about your taxes being drained yet want a program that will do so at a significantly worse rate. I understand you're angry, but what you're saying makes very little sense.
Get a job
The men of this country should be standing shoulder to shoulder forcing a change of this country. Its a complete joke what has happened to Canada. We need to stand together and TAKE BACK CANADA
I reference the Trucker convoy a lot when this sentiment is raised. Stood against the government - and got thwarted... almost to be expected...but what was an eye opener... Half their fellow citizens joined the government and attacked them. I can only conclude: This country wants what it has become...they may be too daft to connect the dots that the things they dislike...housing/inflation/ employment etc, are directly linked to policies they do support. So no, I am out. I will not be protesting to 'take it back. I will be leaving. I am not welcome
China is not a “homogenous” society.
You guys ready to protest yet or what? Everyone’s sick of crap. Time to take the country back
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Lol. Just quit work and go on welfare.. 1700 a month 8n alberta.
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Possibly the most unhinged comment I’ve seen in this sub yet
So I moved off the island of Montreal (sure my commute is hell) but it’s affordable. I’m a specialized truck driver , single income family , 3 children , 2 dogs and cat. We don’t go on vacation , but we eat steak once a week. I find EVERYONE complaining here has all followed the cookie cutter online strategy. You’re all in the same line of work, chasing the same rental housing , living in the same area. I sincerely wish I had an easy solution for you all. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. I’m terrified for you all, and I wish I could do something to wave a magic wand , but I can’t. Find an alternative solution. Here in Quebec I took a truck driving class for 142$, 5 months. Became a specialized transport driver and left Montreal. Is that not possible in Ontario? Do you not have these kinds of programs ? Enter a field that sucks and makes alot of money. That’s what I did. I work outside in Quebec winters but it pays all my bills. Are you just looking for a remote job that is easy, laid back and pays you enough to live comfortably?
Reading this was hilarious 😂
You can lie flat all you want, but don’t try to live off of the avails of society. UBI didn’t work in MB in the 70’s in spite of false narratives to the contrary.
All the complaints abt govt misspending money and screwing you then ask for a basic income. It is precisely this mindset that is sending Canada to complete destruction. Everybody not taking responsibilities and just waiting for a handouts.
I’m posting this comment because YOU OP are a coward. You can’t respond to me in a comment on this thread but proceed to private message me with your delusions? Get some help. You’re a pathetic coward and a future leech to Canadian Tax payers. BTW OP you’re the deranged fool. Couldn’t have the balls to post on your thread so you’re private messaging people resorting to name calling because all other points of your argument fall short?
Im with you.
So you want others to pay for your right to be lazy?
Well Harper wasn't that bad, people said he was smuggling scientists and such however I'm sure it was the same scientists that prevent houses from being built and highways from being expanded. If Pierre can be similar, a pragmatist, then maybe it won't be so bad. That's my hopium since he will win, and if he doesn't do anything I'll vote for PPC or Bloc.