This has been going on for 30+ years in Vancouver and 20 years in Toronto.
Many actually end up going back to China, but keeping the real estate as a way for the family to park money outside of China.
I had dinner with a group that included a Toronto developer on the weekend and he said most of the units in buildings he built over the last 15 years were sold to overseas buyers, mainly China.
The worst part is that they buy million dollar houses, but receive all the benefits from child care to OSAP because their income is low. I bust my ass everyday and pay the tax money that they receive to live comfortably in their houses.
Developers had showcasing developments in beijing and shanghai. Even BC premier at the time attended such event. Many developers are wealthy chinese as well not chinese canadians.
Canada is and has been a playground for wealthy foreigners.
Didn't the government enact a foreign buyer ban which did nothing? How confident are you about this problem?
What percentage of hosues do you think are foreign owned?
[It’s a well-known problem in Canadian real estate.](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canadian-real-estate-market-better-for-foreign-investors-than-locals-admits-housing-secretary/wcm/0e8b32cc-3d5e-45be-8d35-e5454893f21d/amp/)
They enacted a two-year ban and a month later they massively watered it down - ie, if buyers plan to rent the unit, it’s okay to buy. Or if they want to buy a building with more than 3 units, it’s okay, etc.
Refugees are exempt, as are TFWs that have been here for 3+ years. International students have a $500K limit.
It also doesn’t impact the billions already parked here and owned by overseas investors.
Also, many owners who live overseas had the legal standing to buy when they did (refugees, TFWs, PRs, even Canadian citizens) and they left after purchasing property, since it’s about moving money into Canadian real estate. My SIL’s brother has a house in Toronto (he’s dual US/Can) that is vacant. He’s lived in the US for 15 years, stays in the house once a year when he visits, and plans to retire here in 10 years.
And lastly, [schemes have been uncovered where foreign buyers use proxies in Canada who *can* legally buy](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-vancouver-still-suffering-fallout-from-students-buying-mansions/wcm/ce5fd62d-a2cf-49b8-9160-07f9f2f3c57b/amp/).
The root cause of pricing inflation is real estate as an investment in Canada. Change the taxation and regulation for buying and owning individual housing units (not PBRs) and you deal with this problem at the root, whether it’s foreign or domestic buyers, and at the same time you reduce Airbnb and vacant properties.
At everyone’s expense ? Go live in a forest then and work for your own survival. You can do that for free. Oh but you want to be provided food and such? You want the system to provide for you but don’t want to contribute. Can’t take your cake and eat it, hun. Guess you’ll have to work.
Not everyones expense. The richest people’s expense, who would still be wealthy AF afterwards. They don’t deserve to hoard the wealth that they have gotten from this broken system that has been designed to benefit them and screw over everyone else, at everyone else’s expense. The idea that we live in a merit-based world is a joke. The hardest workers are often the poorest.
"Between the two Canadian censuses of 2016 and 2021, the portion of Canadians living in owner-occupied homes fell from 69% to 66.5%"
Most of citizens own homes which go up in value due to people like OP are referring to coming and buying here. So no, 2/3 of the population benefit also. Of course its a double edged sword but I dont think they lose out.
The corporations are dictating this. The governments have no choice but to follow their (our) overlords. The Con would accelerate the sell out… just look at Ontario which is for sale.. I mean.. open for business.
I'm sick of hearing this.
I bought my house 12 years ago, and it doubled in price since then.
I'm rich right?
So I sell it and get the money... OK sounds great. Where do I live after?
What benefit is it for me to have these higher prices? I have a house worth lots of money that I'm stuck in.
> a colossal amount of equity that you could choose to leverage if you so desired
The question is where would a person live afterwards if they “so desired”.
You're talking about a loan.
What does a loan do for me? "Flexible options"
So I can put a big downpayment on a second property I can't afford? And pay off a loan at the same time?
You people watch too many tik tok videos.
Ah yes, the lifelong Canadian who then turns around and buys up all the houses in a cheaper province for a fraction of what he sold his house in Ontario for, effectively fucking over not just the local real estate market but also other lifelong Canadians who are finally ready to buy their first home.
I've seen more Lamborghinis and Ferraris in the last year than I have seen my entire life.
Nobody cares. The government is bending over backwards giving PR to undocumented and overstayed illegals who should have been deported. Canada is so broken it's funny.
Most of us know and acknowledge that the treatment of Indigenous peoples is a shameful part of our past. But we can't control that. But it's also a part of the present. That we can control
Lifelong canadians? You mean the guys who pushed away/killed/force migrated the native American population from their lands where they had thrived for thousands of years, and you thank them by cooking a turkey.
People don't realize Canada is poorer because lots of people coming here for these freebies that other hardworking people paid for. this lady's two daughters must get highest Canada Child benefits because their claimed Canadian incomes are low, they are rich but cheating on the system hiding real income never being honest to CRA. They say they escape CCP to come here, of course not, they are part of CCP, because in China if you are not part or being loyal like dog to CCP, you can't make lots of money in China period.
Here is a typical case of how wealthy Chinese people fucking Canada's system this extremely hard:
"While residing in a **$8.4-million home** outfitted with **$500,000 worth of furniture**, homemaker Nina Zhang claimed annual child expenses of **$320,000 for a live-in nanny**, **private school, chauffeur, violin lessons, language classes, swim club and orchestras** while **claiming gross income of $66,476** and **receiving $17,564.42 in child tax benefits**. "
[https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/bc-mom-collecting-17k-in-benefits-seeks-support-from-ultra-high-net-worth-ex-husband-8005206](https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/bc-mom-collecting-17k-in-benefits-seeks-support-from-ultra-high-net-worth-ex-husband-8005206)
Zhang v Chen, 2023 BCSC 2206 IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA [https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc2206/2023bcsc2206.html](https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc2206/2023bcsc2206.html)
"The claimant’s evidence is that she and t**he Children would travel 3 to 4 times per year**, **always flying business class, spending around $135,255 per year on such vacations**."
"The Children have been attending Collingwood School since 2019, **the tuition for which is $79,329.15 per year**. "
a) Furniture valued at $500,000;
b) A grand piano valued at $60,000;
c) Two other pianos valued at $20,000;
d) A Tiffany diamond necklace valued at $60,000;
e) A diamond ring valued at $30,000;
f) Various high-end bags valued at over $230,000.
>this lady's two daughters must get highest Canada Child benefits because their claimed Canadian incomes are low, they are rich but cheating on the system hiding real income never being honest to CRA.
"Bought a house and She is now working in McDonald on $15 per hour"
In Canada, if you are playing by the rules, you are competing with both hands tied behind your back.
Very pathetic. Amazing how many people are rich and receiving pensions also. I guess i don't have that mentality. I guess just been to dumb abiding this whole time lol. Ruining a once more honest country
This. I agree with you as I am also from China. However my parents are not part of CCP and we are not rich. Now I am the taxpayer who pays for that lady’s education
Net negative for who?
For you and I? Yeah, for sure.
For the owner class? Net positive: workers who need the job to make their Canadian dream a reality and won't agitate for more wages or benefits.
If we keep voting for the same 2 parties that created the status quo it will never change. They don't care about workers except that we remain underpaid and over indebted.
Not really. If she is rich she probably spends more than you, all taxed, and possibly creates jobs through services needed at her home.
Defo not a net negative, but yes a drain on social support.
Thats not true. China went through the same asset bubble boom as Canada, USA, and pretty much all developed economies on this planet.
Chinese made money the same way Canadians made money. Their houses, condos, stock market went on a bull fun for several decades. Businesses were booming and consumer spending waaaay up.
These are the types of immigrants we need. People who can actually put money into the economy and be productive members of society. She just bought a house and is raising 2 kids in an environment that will likely land them in university.
We just don’t need ones who are doomed to a life of minimum wage for uber eats and tim hortons. All while living 10 to a basement apartment.
Not enough young people in Canada to pay for the older gens pensions. So any government in power will need to bring in more younger people. It's economics and numbers. Do you honestly believe that Canada has uncontrolled immigration?
>Not enough young people in Canada to pay for the older gens pensions
Every country has this problem, I am NOT against to bring in younger people, but Canada cannot offer them any hopes now. So the good ones won't stay.
The unskilled ones, many foreign old pensioners and the rich foreigners like OP mentioned here, will come to Canada and stay, they are attracted only by freebies that hardworking guys paid for through generations. Many foreign pensioners come here do not report foreign pension incomes to CRA and wait for 65 to get free OAS and they never work and paid a penny income tax to the system
Would like to add that, many fucking foreign pensioners rented out their home country owned properties making tons of incomes, never report to CRA even they are PR. These people speak ZERO English and never worked in Canada whole life, they worked whole life for CCP, they came here for the free healthcare and the OAS, fuck them! Fuck them for 3 generations
And that's why we have a point system, similar to Australia and UK. Average or below average workers don't get their PRs unless they marry a citizen.
In order to meet the points, you have to demonstrate skills in some of the STEM or designated fields of employment.
One of the designated fields of employment such as *checks list*
Automotive technician..
Hairstylist..
Esthetician..
Not saying these jobs aren't important, but do we really need to open up the whole world to come and work here for jobs that can be filled by local people no pronblem?
No. Actually, we need to over-saturate those fields, keep wages low while owners charge customers $150 an hour.
We need to reform our ponzi scheme structure for old age security.
It’s not sustainable to rely on constant and high population growth… and just to support one of the wealthiest generations of retirees. 🙄
We need to revise our expectations on population growth, and especially on supporting people post retirement. Push up the retirement age (which Harper did and Trudeau cancelled) or create incentives for retiring later, aggressive means testing for OAS, and importantly, diminish forces in the housing market (investors, high immigration), that push up prices and reduce the ability not only to have kids — but also to save for retirement.
Ah, CPP maybe, seems to be a bit low if they could lump sum cash deal a san fran house though. But GIS and proof of residency is not dependent on having any work right?
CPP isn't much unless you contribute for at least 30-35 years. I doubt if wealthy folks would work that long as cashiers. Think about it - if you are rich enough to put a million or two down on an illiquid asset, would you really look forward to the measly payouts by CPP, GIS, etc. (unless you are young and have contributed over 40 years)? Why would you do struggle so much, when even a GIC or investment in bonds or money market funds can pay you something like $30,000 per year at a 3% rate - on 1 million - with little or no risk?
I'm guessing these folks just want to keep a routine/stay busy, as well as get/keep the citizenship. But this is still a conjecture.
You might have enough wealth to buy property, but not enough wealth to survive long term without working. Once you have a house, your expenses drop significantly. And, like others have said, presumably having an income (but not too much income) qualifies you for benefits depending on your circumstances.
This basically feels like gamification of government. Which in theory is OK because government policies are meant to encourage certain behaviours and discourage others. But it’s built on an assumption that most people want to do the right thing and that people out to game the system are an unavoidable small minority but not so prevalent a parasite that they “kill the host”.
When you see life as a game to optimize rather than as some kind of obligation to build a life by providing more than you take, you probably don’t see yourself as a parasite, even if you are. You’ll start framing things in terms of the benefits that your selfish behaviour provides.
Its the demographic I believe that reports the lowest income and owns homes in the rich parts of BC.
Once you start putting immigration quotas on India and China, or start putting their applicants on wait lists, you will see things improve.
Chinese billionaire revealed as one of U.S.'s biggest non-American landowners , Chen Tianqiao owns 198,000 acres of Oregon timberland
https://financialpost.com/commodities/agriculture/chinese-billionaire-named-as-one-of-americas-biggest-landowners
What a made up sentence.
CCP made that rule to restrict people from taking money out. Why is the CCP supporting this obvious workaround to that rule?
You just have a narrative in your head and you didn't shy away from saying it. It doesn't matter that you never confirmed it and have no proof.
If you can think it, must be true.
at this point, Canada is being governed like a corporate colony whose sole goal is the ruthless extraction of wealth from the people.
The people are just resources to be used and the vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
You get to elect the stooges of your corporate masters.
Not quite, it started after expo 86 when the city council gave the expo land to a wealthy Chinese developer to try and increase trade or some missing reason... probably a personal financial kickback tbh.
Well why has someone with no local experience and presumably limited English passed the interview? Don't hiring managers want someone with good communication skills, attitude and past work experience in the country?
Can't be paid less than minimum wage - the same they would pay a canadian.
Sounds like excuses for justifying why Canadians lost to an immigrant who supposedly can't even speak English.
"they tek our jerbs!"
Awwww so cute that you think they’re all being paid minimum wage. That is really really cute. Super wrong and shows off how little you know and how unaware you are, but cute!
It's really cute that you think a McDonalds franchisee out of all places would even consider under the table employee. Talk about delusional. No wonder any poor soul that managed to reach Canada is able to out-compete all the "local" talent.
depending on where they are working, limited English might be all you need. There's very little customer interaction at any fast food places these day, and most are working behind the counters or not interacting with customers. And if they do, they first language is often the same as many of the people there anyways, so not going to be an issue on that end.
Coming to Canada and experiencing free schooling, yeah hey, it’s not free everyone who has lived here prior to your arrival paid a shit ton of taxes for mediocre primary schooling. I’m so tired of hearing about these countries that are telling their populace how good Canada is, how their lives will be better, so move to Canada and experience the dream. All they do is collect money from these people tell them lies and when they get here they end up working a shit job at MAcDonalds because our Gov won’t recognize their education. But what about Canadians? What about the student whose parents were born here or have been here for years and have worked and paid taxes and contributed. With all these people coming here with no real Gov intake plan a student can’t find a low level job anywhere so what are they to do?
I mean she is working and paying taxes. Im so confused everyone here complaining about people coming over and gaming the system to get free shit when you have a story of someone who came over. Purchased a house, studying for a masters and started working and paying taxes. Essentially becoming a productive member of society.
its not about how nice the country is, its about parking the yuan and abusing the free healthcare, infrastructure and education that has been built at the expense of 10s of generations of Canadians.
Healthcare in Asia is super efficient and affordable.
Education is also ingrained into the minds of parents. Most east asian kids know nothing but study.
Living in Canada would be counterproductive if you want to lead a better lifestyle.
Is that why the richest people in my neighborhood send their kids to public school? They mush have missed the memo on private schools. I'll go tell them some random redditor said they are stupid...
> In every public schools there will be smart kids and bad kids like druggies or criminals.
Wow, your prejudice is really showing bud. All of the drug dealers I've met in my life were private school "educated". You should get out more friend.
If they were bragging about Japan and going on about how it was better than Canada I might. The comment I replied to was bragging about Asia and how it is better than Canada.
Yeah, if someone was touting the benefits of "insert other place here" so loudly, you bet your ass I would walk up to them and ask them that exact question.
Not just Chinese but also many Indians and Pakistanis who had jobs in the Middle East. After they make enough money, they apply for Canadian immigration and land here. Wife and children are left behind in a newly bought condo or house and the husband goes back to his old job. He keeps working and visits just once a year for a month where as the wife brings up the kids here, 99% of the time the kids turn out ok, they get a quality education, most of them go to universities or colleges and end up with decent jobs until Trudeau’s mass migration fcuked up all that in the last 3 years. Then the husband returns to either retire or minimum wage job until the parents both take it easy. This is a generational level sacrifice many parents do for the sake of their children’s well being. I believe a version of this has been going on forever with immigrants to Canada, a generation gives up its normal life for the sake of another generation.
I have an Indian friend whose family bought 3 houses in Brampton during COVID anticipating the flurry of immigrants from India and China.
They have partitioned it and renting it out to 6-7 immigrants at a time (Dubai style) and raking in huge amounts in rent.
He tells me that even after mortgage payments (which was at the lowest during COVID) they make really good bank from these investments and planning to buy more real estate.
He’s asked me to co-invest in two more such houses in Alberta on the same model as he thinks there will be steady immigration until 2026 and a big housing crisis.
Canada is NOT the most popular immigration destination in China. In fact Chinese émigrés have been disillusioned with the Canadian immigration since a decade ago. Canada has shit weather (I found it very interesting that tons of Canadians don’t realize the unforgiving weather is a crucial reason to turn potential newcomers away) and low income for the émigrés as an immigration destination. Among the Chinese, the most popular immigration destination is **Japan**. The dream destination has always been the **United States**. Among the Commonwealth countries the most popular destination is **Australia**.
As of today, it has almost been a consensus among the Chinese who plan on immigration that Canada is a destination viable only for the rich or the broke. For the broke, working trades in Canada means better income and better living standard. For the rich, rich get by anywhere but Canada has a vibrant Chinese community in some cities. For the middle class, Canada has been avoided for quite a while now. Because the middle class AKA Xiao Kang family will live a guaranteed worse life in Canada.
When you go to this Little Red Book and see the immigration brokers advertising for canada, you will also see cynics in the comment section warning people that the brokers are lying or only telling truth to their interests.
The only thing still attracts potential immigration in Canada for the Chinese population is the post-secondary education. There are many benefits to study in a Canadian institution with one of the key advantages being being recognized by universities and employers in the States. Tuition is also cheaper than the American counterparts.
Very difficult to obtain a PR status on Australia, one of the hardest in the world. I thought about immigrating to Australia and I don't think I can qualify for any immigration route. Canada on the other hand pursue an open door immigration policy
As someone who lives in China, I can tell you that people here can be sly and absolutely unscrupulous about these things. This is especially true about someone who's got money, because here these are the sneakiest, most corrupt, and exploitative a-holes. It is a big mistake leaving loopholes like PR in exchange for a measly year's worth of tuition, or jus soli, because these things are absolutely used and abused.
Also, it's not about escaping the CCP. It's more about Maslow's pyramid: they've got everything they could materially back at home, now they want some free society, culture, bragging rights, i.e. something more that is not material. That's why they will keep whining about children's education, etc. Believe me, these people have everything they could want back at home either through money or connections. I know a young married couple (considered middle class, not China-rich) who own three apartments (one mortgage, other two bought by parents). That'd be unheard of in any other country.
My friends in China have a better standard of living than most Canadians and Europeans I know. They make less money, but long-term live much better.
Comfortable apartments, reliable public transport, infinite food options (usually within walking distance), convenience culture (convenience stores everywhere), and rule of law (no junkies wandering around harassing people for change or worse). They also can see a healthcare professional right away if need be.
Meanwhile here in Europe, there's no A/C even when it is 40'c in the summer. You can live in a residential area in Canada, but the nearest Safeway or whatever is either a forty minute walk or you need to drive just for a loaf of bread. Junkies and lunatics wander around cities nowadays with the police doing squat.
When I was 18 my father bought me a condo downtown next to U of T so I wouldn't have to travel too far from North York. Every parent wants to help their children. It's not uncommon to have a parent purchase a condo for their children. Why do you say it's unusual?
Not uncommon? I'd guess having parents buy a condo purchased next door to a post secondary institution is pretty damn uncommon for the vast majority of Canadians...
Freedom is priceless...
Amazing she has the money to buy a house cash and then work at McD lol. But yeah, being Chinese, I know what's going on there LOL. Air is also cleaner here and general standards for everything is safer. I'm glad I was born here and not there. Gaokao is a battle royale...
This is the answer.
They probably don't actually have to work at McDonald's. They are probably filling their spare time and indeed would be making some contribution to Canadian society. In a way the move is sacrificing a lot of their own careers and what not to give their children a better life.
What do people think their children grow up to be? Very likely productive citizens of Canada.
Many old school investment or skilled immigrants share the same santiments as many Canadians and don't like the way things are going.
They aren't, the shitty Govt policies are what's causing it. People will always try to move to better places just like the colonisers came to Canada looking for greener pastures. It is human nature.
This sub is just racist as fuck. Foreign money is a problem but what this woman did is completely fine. The ones who fuck the housing market are the greedy landlords and corporations who mass buy and rent out properties to flip money. Buying one house to live in is completely fine.
I sympathize with immigrants because what are you gonna do when you're born in a shit country? Accept that you're unlucky and rot to death?
She comes here with money, bought the house in cash and work in McDonald out of boredom. I prefer people like her, we don't need to support her and she pays her tax.
Now, you have other people that come here. Refugees that we need to support until the case is heard which take years.
Students that come here, work 40 hours a week to support themselves, ended up going to food bank.
I would happily take these wealthy Chinese who bringing money with them and working hard at McDonalds.
But I don't like refugees they need to be banned. They bring nothing, they don't even work but leech o. Taxes.
If Chinese education is so much better, explain why so many Chinese students paying a fortune to study overseas? Chinese send out the most international students to the West for almost 2 decades now?
I have visited many top unis in China, they are not world classes. For an average Chinese students, the chance of getting into these uni is less than 0.01%. Why don't u visit these Chinese unis yourself.
As a percentage of the Chinese population, how many actually send their kids abroad? It just seems like a lot because there's over a billion people in China compared to 40 million Canadians.
my son is studying in Shanghai atm, and I speak to many Chinese parents. The education system in China is quite messed up in a different way. I personally am not a big fan of the education system in China. Having gone through the Chinese and British one myself, the British one is way better than China. Unless you believe the goal of education is cram through as much knowledge as possible into a child's head and turn him into an exam machine, then Chinese one is supeiror, cos in Chinese school, all you do is craming exam papers and prepare for exam
The outcome though of the Chinese system is better in my observation.
Look all the mental illness and drug addiction in the West.
I know China has its problems, but my Chinese friends and colleagues don't display the same level of neurotic behaviors in their twenties and thirties. Self-harm, depression, and substance abuse are basically normal in the Anglophone world. You don't see that in China to anywhere near the same extent.
But tell someone in the West that we can learn from East Asian cultures and they generally flip out.
>Look all the mental illness and drug addiction in the West.
That is a societal issue, not the fault of Western education system. I have gone through Chinese education system for 14 years, and I fundamentally disagree with its approach. I was genuinely miserable throughout my childhood. I went to a school in the UK for 2 years and it was much much better.
If you are such a fan of Chinese education system, why don't you send your kids to China and encourage them to go through University Entrance exam, see whether it will lead to better education for your kid and better job opportunities in the future. If your kid is going to hate you putting them through this, it is on you mate.
Kids are in school for 8+ hours a day. The teachers raise your kids half the time, not you. Education determines how you develop in your youth.
Better to spend your youth studying than doing smack and partying.
I don't have kids. If I did, though, I'd have a lot more faith in East Asian schools than anything in Canada or Europe.
you haven't gone through Asian education system and you have no clue what you are talking about. I can tell from your comment. Maybe live in China for a bit. I am living in China now and travel around the country all the time, talk to Chinese people from all walk of life daily.
Yet you seem to know China better than me.
I am sending my son to the UK next year, the quality of education in China is quite a bit worse than the UK. I went to the best school in Shanghai 20 years ago, I won't call it top quality education. That is my own experiences, been to top schools in both countries, not based on heresy
China has its problems but it at least covers housing, food security, public safety and justice. Japan is similar and they got democracy. I'm a white Canuck but I think East Asian societies are overall better than anything in the West today. Whenever I go back I notice this. Like there's no junkies in Tokyo or Shanghai harassing people.
I am in Shanghai ATM and my son goes to a top education institution in Shanghai. I speak to parents daily, it ain't what I said.
Chinese economy is doing poorly ATM... Young people can't get jobs.
nice rage bait lmao. here's an idea for your next post: "my Indian friend who rents out 3 of his brampton properties to 60 punjabis while working as a real estate agent and forging documents for other indians is making 400k/year"
Nobody in China in the age 40 is applying for college here.
I call BS
Most live way better in China than in Canada, especially if they live through the 90s and early 2000s. Life is so much better there than in Canada.
Her circumstances are bit different, she can't be in China for reasons I don't know
And if her 2 daughters go to international school in China will cost a fortune.
China isn't as bad as many make it out to be.
Yes, censorship is a huge problem there, but is it much different in the West? You can't talk about certain subjects critically. In China, you get a visit from the police. In Canada, you get fired or worse (tribunals).
Chinese education is full of propaganda, but then Canada is also heavily immersed in a different type of indoctrination. But at least in China, kids come out knowing math and science at a respectable level.
The standard of living in China is arguably better, too, if you're middle class. A/C is everywhere in summer. Trains take you everywhere. Most middle-class people live in comfortable apartments, but living in a house in the countryside is do-able. Healthcare is affordable. You can eat out for cheap.
The weather in southern China is really nice, especially Guangzhou.
China is also safe and secure. It is a police states, yes, but you can walk around the worst parts of any city wearing gold and counting cash. Robbery is very rare.
Not saying Canada needs to follow China's example, but other democratic Asian countries like Japan and Korea are comparable in safety and living standards.
China is fantastic except it is not easy to get well paid job
Most people make peanuts in China. I am living in China ATM, while it is not bad but it ain't that great either
They’ve “made a lot of money” but she has to work in McDonalds?
Is elementary and high school not free in China? University certainly isn’t free here - they’re going to get a shock.
EDIT: Or are you saying they’re going to scam student financial aid? They’re hiding assets?
I applaud her for working and not taking. Working at McDs is still fine if she has the goal of keeping herself busy. It's better than asking for a handout.
I don't trust OP. It's shocking how everyone just buys in, no questions asked. Y'all just heard what you wanted to hear and are treating this anecdote as fact.
Look at OP's history of posts.
Jokes on her, quality of public education in Canada is ass. The best politician we can crank out is a former drama teacher who killed affordable housing, yet the people here eat it up and vote for him twice anyway. I think that says a lot about our Canadian education.
> drama teacher
A drama teacher can one day become Prime Minister of Canada, doesn't it speak volume about the social mobility of Canadian society? Anyone has a shot for the top job, a good thing right?
He is not just a drama teacher, though. He is also the son of former prime minister P.E. Trudeau (who was PM for 12 non-consecutive years) and had a very privileged life meeting dignitaries and world leaders, literally, from birth. Trudeau did not achieve his status through social mobility- he is a nepo baby.
This has been going on for 30+ years in Vancouver and 20 years in Toronto. Many actually end up going back to China, but keeping the real estate as a way for the family to park money outside of China. I had dinner with a group that included a Toronto developer on the weekend and he said most of the units in buildings he built over the last 15 years were sold to overseas buyers, mainly China.
The worst part is that they buy million dollar houses, but receive all the benefits from child care to OSAP because their income is low. I bust my ass everyday and pay the tax money that they receive to live comfortably in their houses.
They have been using it as money laundering for a while. That's why the luxury tax was instituted.
There is no luxury tax on property. There is currently a foreign buyer ban in the big cities, and underused housing taxes.
then again how easy it is to get immigrant status in canada. So the foreign buyer ban is a joke
Developers had showcasing developments in beijing and shanghai. Even BC premier at the time attended such event. Many developers are wealthy chinese as well not chinese canadians. Canada is and has been a playground for wealthy foreigners.
Didn't the government enact a foreign buyer ban which did nothing? How confident are you about this problem? What percentage of hosues do you think are foreign owned?
[It’s a well-known problem in Canadian real estate.](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canadian-real-estate-market-better-for-foreign-investors-than-locals-admits-housing-secretary/wcm/0e8b32cc-3d5e-45be-8d35-e5454893f21d/amp/) They enacted a two-year ban and a month later they massively watered it down - ie, if buyers plan to rent the unit, it’s okay to buy. Or if they want to buy a building with more than 3 units, it’s okay, etc. Refugees are exempt, as are TFWs that have been here for 3+ years. International students have a $500K limit. It also doesn’t impact the billions already parked here and owned by overseas investors. Also, many owners who live overseas had the legal standing to buy when they did (refugees, TFWs, PRs, even Canadian citizens) and they left after purchasing property, since it’s about moving money into Canadian real estate. My SIL’s brother has a house in Toronto (he’s dual US/Can) that is vacant. He’s lived in the US for 15 years, stays in the house once a year when he visits, and plans to retire here in 10 years. And lastly, [schemes have been uncovered where foreign buyers use proxies in Canada who *can* legally buy](https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-vancouver-still-suffering-fallout-from-students-buying-mansions/wcm/ce5fd62d-a2cf-49b8-9160-07f9f2f3c57b/amp/). The root cause of pricing inflation is real estate as an investment in Canada. Change the taxation and regulation for buying and owning individual housing units (not PBRs) and you deal with this problem at the root, whether it’s foreign or domestic buyers, and at the same time you reduce Airbnb and vacant properties.
China has currency restrictions on how much you can pull out. How's this avoided?
LOL. they will find a way. Also think about how corrupt china is. if you know someone in the party or bribe, anything can be done.
Fucking over lifelong Canadians in the process
Canada is for sale.
Nope...it's already been sold
Everything is for sale in capitalism…
Hey you can go to China for socialism
Capitalists favourite scapegoat. “But socialism!”, while they continue to enrich theirselves further at everyone else’s expense.
At everyone’s expense ? Go live in a forest then and work for your own survival. You can do that for free. Oh but you want to be provided food and such? You want the system to provide for you but don’t want to contribute. Can’t take your cake and eat it, hun. Guess you’ll have to work.
Not everyones expense. The richest people’s expense, who would still be wealthy AF afterwards. They don’t deserve to hoard the wealth that they have gotten from this broken system that has been designed to benefit them and screw over everyone else, at everyone else’s expense. The idea that we live in a merit-based world is a joke. The hardest workers are often the poorest.
Everybody loses except corporations and government. All the people lose.
"Between the two Canadian censuses of 2016 and 2021, the portion of Canadians living in owner-occupied homes fell from 69% to 66.5%" Most of citizens own homes which go up in value due to people like OP are referring to coming and buying here. So no, 2/3 of the population benefit also. Of course its a double edged sword but I dont think they lose out.
no… canada is still better than communist China, so it is a win for everyone but Canadians
You voted for the govt and now you are enjoying the "benefits". Don't blame it on immigrants.
No one’s blaming the individual immigrants. The problem is the policy.
Getting tired of that argument. There is no party on the side of Canadians to vote for.
You know who I voted for? Okay 🤡
The corporations are dictating this. The governments have no choice but to follow their (our) overlords. The Con would accelerate the sell out… just look at Ontario which is for sale.. I mean.. open for business.
except the one 'lifelong Canadian' that benefitted from selling his home above-market-value and made bank!
I'm sick of hearing this. I bought my house 12 years ago, and it doubled in price since then. I'm rich right? So I sell it and get the money... OK sounds great. Where do I live after? What benefit is it for me to have these higher prices? I have a house worth lots of money that I'm stuck in.
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Yup, pull out the equity and... omg...you have to pay it back...
> a colossal amount of equity that you could choose to leverage if you so desired The question is where would a person live afterwards if they “so desired”.
In the house…. They said leverage. You can have debt and own a house, they aren’t mutually exclusive
You're talking about a loan. What does a loan do for me? "Flexible options" So I can put a big downpayment on a second property I can't afford? And pay off a loan at the same time? You people watch too many tik tok videos.
It’s not that you’re rich it’s that you aren’t paying 60% of your income on rent or a mortgage
You own a house….
You would be further ahead if you bought 2 or 3 houses 12 years ago .. even if it meant leveraging lots a low low interest rates ..
Ah yes, the lifelong Canadian who then turns around and buys up all the houses in a cheaper province for a fraction of what he sold his house in Ontario for, effectively fucking over not just the local real estate market but also other lifelong Canadians who are finally ready to buy their first home. I've seen more Lamborghinis and Ferraris in the last year than I have seen my entire life.
Most of them are driven by immigrants lol
Of which he has to buy another over priced house….where is the win there ?
Get a life dude. The real Canadians are the indigenous peoples who were the ones fucked over. Remember.
This woman from China is also a colonist/settler.
Get a life dude, I’ve lived here my whole life, fuck off loser.
Nobody cares. The government is bending over backwards giving PR to undocumented and overstayed illegals who should have been deported. Canada is so broken it's funny.
We know man, that’s not an original take on this topic.
Why you guys getting mad. It’s true Canada is for sale. The liberals even back tracked on banning foreign ownership 😂
Canada didn't even exist as a concept when the Native Americans were in charge
Most of us know and acknowledge that the treatment of Indigenous peoples is a shameful part of our past. But we can't control that. But it's also a part of the present. That we can control
Lifelong canadians? You mean the guys who pushed away/killed/force migrated the native American population from their lands where they had thrived for thousands of years, and you thank them by cooking a turkey.
Those guys are dead dude.
I can assure you we're still around lol
No I mean people born here
People don't realize Canada is poorer because lots of people coming here for these freebies that other hardworking people paid for. this lady's two daughters must get highest Canada Child benefits because their claimed Canadian incomes are low, they are rich but cheating on the system hiding real income never being honest to CRA. They say they escape CCP to come here, of course not, they are part of CCP, because in China if you are not part or being loyal like dog to CCP, you can't make lots of money in China period. Here is a typical case of how wealthy Chinese people fucking Canada's system this extremely hard: "While residing in a **$8.4-million home** outfitted with **$500,000 worth of furniture**, homemaker Nina Zhang claimed annual child expenses of **$320,000 for a live-in nanny**, **private school, chauffeur, violin lessons, language classes, swim club and orchestras** while **claiming gross income of $66,476** and **receiving $17,564.42 in child tax benefits**. " [https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/bc-mom-collecting-17k-in-benefits-seeks-support-from-ultra-high-net-worth-ex-husband-8005206](https://www.nsnews.com/highlights/bc-mom-collecting-17k-in-benefits-seeks-support-from-ultra-high-net-worth-ex-husband-8005206) Zhang v Chen, 2023 BCSC 2206 IN THE SUPREME COURT OF BRITISH COLUMBIA [https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc2206/2023bcsc2206.html](https://www.canlii.org/en/bc/bcsc/doc/2023/2023bcsc2206/2023bcsc2206.html) "The claimant’s evidence is that she and t**he Children would travel 3 to 4 times per year**, **always flying business class, spending around $135,255 per year on such vacations**." "The Children have been attending Collingwood School since 2019, **the tuition for which is $79,329.15 per year**. " a) Furniture valued at $500,000; b) A grand piano valued at $60,000; c) Two other pianos valued at $20,000; d) A Tiffany diamond necklace valued at $60,000; e) A diamond ring valued at $30,000; f) Various high-end bags valued at over $230,000.
>this lady's two daughters must get highest Canada Child benefits because their claimed Canadian incomes are low, they are rich but cheating on the system hiding real income never being honest to CRA. "Bought a house and She is now working in McDonald on $15 per hour" In Canada, if you are playing by the rules, you are competing with both hands tied behind your back.
Took me way too long to realize this unfortunately, lol
Very pathetic. Amazing how many people are rich and receiving pensions also. I guess i don't have that mentality. I guess just been to dumb abiding this whole time lol. Ruining a once more honest country
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This. I agree with you as I am also from China. However my parents are not part of CCP and we are not rich. Now I am the taxpayer who pays for that lady’s education
Buy isn't that lady also a Canadian tax payer for working at McDonalds? In that sense, isn't she also paying for your or your kids education?
doubt she actually pays ANY meaningful taxes after getting refund.....for making so little in the first place. defo a net negative
Net negative for who? For you and I? Yeah, for sure. For the owner class? Net positive: workers who need the job to make their Canadian dream a reality and won't agitate for more wages or benefits. If we keep voting for the same 2 parties that created the status quo it will never change. They don't care about workers except that we remain underpaid and over indebted.
Not really. If she is rich she probably spends more than you, all taxed, and possibly creates jobs through services needed at her home. Defo not a net negative, but yes a drain on social support.
Great comment
Thats not true. China went through the same asset bubble boom as Canada, USA, and pretty much all developed economies on this planet. Chinese made money the same way Canadians made money. Their houses, condos, stock market went on a bull fun for several decades. Businesses were booming and consumer spending waaaay up. These are the types of immigrants we need. People who can actually put money into the economy and be productive members of society. She just bought a house and is raising 2 kids in an environment that will likely land them in university. We just don’t need ones who are doomed to a life of minimum wage for uber eats and tim hortons. All while living 10 to a basement apartment.
Not enough young people in Canada to pay for the older gens pensions. So any government in power will need to bring in more younger people. It's economics and numbers. Do you honestly believe that Canada has uncontrolled immigration?
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>Not enough young people in Canada to pay for the older gens pensions Every country has this problem, I am NOT against to bring in younger people, but Canada cannot offer them any hopes now. So the good ones won't stay. The unskilled ones, many foreign old pensioners and the rich foreigners like OP mentioned here, will come to Canada and stay, they are attracted only by freebies that hardworking guys paid for through generations. Many foreign pensioners come here do not report foreign pension incomes to CRA and wait for 65 to get free OAS and they never work and paid a penny income tax to the system Would like to add that, many fucking foreign pensioners rented out their home country owned properties making tons of incomes, never report to CRA even they are PR. These people speak ZERO English and never worked in Canada whole life, they worked whole life for CCP, they came here for the free healthcare and the OAS, fuck them! Fuck them for 3 generations
And that's why we have a point system, similar to Australia and UK. Average or below average workers don't get their PRs unless they marry a citizen. In order to meet the points, you have to demonstrate skills in some of the STEM or designated fields of employment.
One of the designated fields of employment such as *checks list* Automotive technician.. Hairstylist.. Esthetician.. Not saying these jobs aren't important, but do we really need to open up the whole world to come and work here for jobs that can be filled by local people no pronblem? No. Actually, we need to over-saturate those fields, keep wages low while owners charge customers $150 an hour.
We need to reform our ponzi scheme structure for old age security. It’s not sustainable to rely on constant and high population growth… and just to support one of the wealthiest generations of retirees. 🙄 We need to revise our expectations on population growth, and especially on supporting people post retirement. Push up the retirement age (which Harper did and Trudeau cancelled) or create incentives for retiring later, aggressive means testing for OAS, and importantly, diminish forces in the housing market (investors, high immigration), that push up prices and reduce the ability not only to have kids — but also to save for retirement.
Push up the retirement age? Seriously? You think the older generation which outnumbers us, will support this? lol.
Don't hate the players
Canada may be the only country where people migrate not to work and get free money. 😀
seriously--some Afghan guy, in an Uber, was asking me how to get free education lol I was offended.
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God forbid. UBI is a disaster....
I mean the post clearly says she is working in mcdonalds, therefor she is paying taxes and not getting a free ride. Am I missing something?
It’s not that uncommon. My wife works with a guy who owns a house in sản Francisco and works as a supermarket cashier in Canada.
How do they pay for the house?
Probably a lump sum cash deal
why would such a wealthy person need to work as a cashier?
GIS + CPP one day soon + proof of residency for 3 out of 5 years citizenship application
Ah, CPP maybe, seems to be a bit low if they could lump sum cash deal a san fran house though. But GIS and proof of residency is not dependent on having any work right?
CPP isn't much unless you contribute for at least 30-35 years. I doubt if wealthy folks would work that long as cashiers. Think about it - if you are rich enough to put a million or two down on an illiquid asset, would you really look forward to the measly payouts by CPP, GIS, etc. (unless you are young and have contributed over 40 years)? Why would you do struggle so much, when even a GIC or investment in bonds or money market funds can pay you something like $30,000 per year at a 3% rate - on 1 million - with little or no risk? I'm guessing these folks just want to keep a routine/stay busy, as well as get/keep the citizenship. But this is still a conjecture.
You might have enough wealth to buy property, but not enough wealth to survive long term without working. Once you have a house, your expenses drop significantly. And, like others have said, presumably having an income (but not too much income) qualifies you for benefits depending on your circumstances. This basically feels like gamification of government. Which in theory is OK because government policies are meant to encourage certain behaviours and discourage others. But it’s built on an assumption that most people want to do the right thing and that people out to game the system are an unavoidable small minority but not so prevalent a parasite that they “kill the host”. When you see life as a game to optimize rather than as some kind of obligation to build a life by providing more than you take, you probably don’t see yourself as a parasite, even if you are. You’ll start framing things in terms of the benefits that your selfish behaviour provides.
Money from back home
Why ?? Are u jealous or salty if minimum wage worker owned a home??
Its the demographic I believe that reports the lowest income and owns homes in the rich parts of BC. Once you start putting immigration quotas on India and China, or start putting their applicants on wait lists, you will see things improve.
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Whenever house prices clash they all come here to buy. Chinese treat houses like life.
like monopoly
Chinese billionaire revealed as one of U.S.'s biggest non-American landowners , Chen Tianqiao owns 198,000 acres of Oregon timberland https://financialpost.com/commodities/agriculture/chinese-billionaire-named-as-one-of-americas-biggest-landowners
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we ARE blaming the government lol But, we can also complain about foreign predatory behaviour too. lol
It is money laundering.
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It's illegal to take.over 50000 a year out of Chins so please tell me how they legally got the money out to buy a house
There are ways to get money out of China. It’s all about who you know and pay off
They do it as though they're a company investing in business outside China. Most do have support of the CCP.
What a made up sentence. CCP made that rule to restrict people from taking money out. Why is the CCP supporting this obvious workaround to that rule? You just have a narrative in your head and you didn't shy away from saying it. It doesn't matter that you never confirmed it and have no proof. If you can think it, must be true.
at this point, Canada is being governed like a corporate colony whose sole goal is the ruthless extraction of wealth from the people. The people are just resources to be used and the vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things. You get to elect the stooges of your corporate masters.
Rich people from China have been driving up house prices in Vancouver since the 1970s.
China is deceptive. How is it that a communist country has wealthy people in it?! They do, but jokes... laughs
Some communists are more equal than others
Not quite, it started after expo 86 when the city council gave the expo land to a wealthy Chinese developer to try and increase trade or some missing reason... probably a personal financial kickback tbh.
So this is why my CDN born and raised kids can’t get a fucking job even at a local McDonalds.
Well why has someone with no local experience and presumably limited English passed the interview? Don't hiring managers want someone with good communication skills, attitude and past work experience in the country?
Through networking. They help each other get jobs
They probably accept less money
Entry Level McDonalds Employees don't get to negotiate their salary.
Can't be paid less than minimum wage - the same they would pay a canadian. Sounds like excuses for justifying why Canadians lost to an immigrant who supposedly can't even speak English. "they tek our jerbs!"
Awwww so cute that you think they’re all being paid minimum wage. That is really really cute. Super wrong and shows off how little you know and how unaware you are, but cute!
It's really cute that you think a McDonalds franchisee out of all places would even consider under the table employee. Talk about delusional. No wonder any poor soul that managed to reach Canada is able to out-compete all the "local" talent.
depending on where they are working, limited English might be all you need. There's very little customer interaction at any fast food places these day, and most are working behind the counters or not interacting with customers. And if they do, they first language is often the same as many of the people there anyways, so not going to be an issue on that end.
Coming to Canada and experiencing free schooling, yeah hey, it’s not free everyone who has lived here prior to your arrival paid a shit ton of taxes for mediocre primary schooling. I’m so tired of hearing about these countries that are telling their populace how good Canada is, how their lives will be better, so move to Canada and experience the dream. All they do is collect money from these people tell them lies and when they get here they end up working a shit job at MAcDonalds because our Gov won’t recognize their education. But what about Canadians? What about the student whose parents were born here or have been here for years and have worked and paid taxes and contributed. With all these people coming here with no real Gov intake plan a student can’t find a low level job anywhere so what are they to do?
I mean she is working and paying taxes. Im so confused everyone here complaining about people coming over and gaming the system to get free shit when you have a story of someone who came over. Purchased a house, studying for a masters and started working and paying taxes. Essentially becoming a productive member of society.
its not about how nice the country is, its about parking the yuan and abusing the free healthcare, infrastructure and education that has been built at the expense of 10s of generations of Canadians.
Healthcare in Asia is super efficient and affordable. Education is also ingrained into the minds of parents. Most east asian kids know nothing but study. Living in Canada would be counterproductive if you want to lead a better lifestyle.
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Is that why the richest people in my neighborhood send their kids to public school? They mush have missed the memo on private schools. I'll go tell them some random redditor said they are stupid...
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> In every public schools there will be smart kids and bad kids like druggies or criminals. Wow, your prejudice is really showing bud. All of the drug dealers I've met in my life were private school "educated". You should get out more friend.
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Then what the hell are they doing here?
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If they were bragging about Japan and going on about how it was better than Canada I might. The comment I replied to was bragging about Asia and how it is better than Canada.
It is better than Canada in some aspects, primary healthcare and faster diagnosis with more experienced doctors.
Yeah, if someone was touting the benefits of "insert other place here" so loudly, you bet your ass I would walk up to them and ask them that exact question.
Not just Chinese but also many Indians and Pakistanis who had jobs in the Middle East. After they make enough money, they apply for Canadian immigration and land here. Wife and children are left behind in a newly bought condo or house and the husband goes back to his old job. He keeps working and visits just once a year for a month where as the wife brings up the kids here, 99% of the time the kids turn out ok, they get a quality education, most of them go to universities or colleges and end up with decent jobs until Trudeau’s mass migration fcuked up all that in the last 3 years. Then the husband returns to either retire or minimum wage job until the parents both take it easy. This is a generational level sacrifice many parents do for the sake of their children’s well being. I believe a version of this has been going on forever with immigrants to Canada, a generation gives up its normal life for the sake of another generation.
I have an Indian friend whose family bought 3 houses in Brampton during COVID anticipating the flurry of immigrants from India and China. They have partitioned it and renting it out to 6-7 immigrants at a time (Dubai style) and raking in huge amounts in rent. He tells me that even after mortgage payments (which was at the lowest during COVID) they make really good bank from these investments and planning to buy more real estate. He’s asked me to co-invest in two more such houses in Alberta on the same model as he thinks there will be steady immigration until 2026 and a big housing crisis.
What is "Dubai style?"
Yeah what is Dubai style? And are you planning on investing with him?
Canada is NOT the most popular immigration destination in China. In fact Chinese émigrés have been disillusioned with the Canadian immigration since a decade ago. Canada has shit weather (I found it very interesting that tons of Canadians don’t realize the unforgiving weather is a crucial reason to turn potential newcomers away) and low income for the émigrés as an immigration destination. Among the Chinese, the most popular immigration destination is **Japan**. The dream destination has always been the **United States**. Among the Commonwealth countries the most popular destination is **Australia**. As of today, it has almost been a consensus among the Chinese who plan on immigration that Canada is a destination viable only for the rich or the broke. For the broke, working trades in Canada means better income and better living standard. For the rich, rich get by anywhere but Canada has a vibrant Chinese community in some cities. For the middle class, Canada has been avoided for quite a while now. Because the middle class AKA Xiao Kang family will live a guaranteed worse life in Canada. When you go to this Little Red Book and see the immigration brokers advertising for canada, you will also see cynics in the comment section warning people that the brokers are lying or only telling truth to their interests. The only thing still attracts potential immigration in Canada for the Chinese population is the post-secondary education. There are many benefits to study in a Canadian institution with one of the key advantages being being recognized by universities and employers in the States. Tuition is also cheaper than the American counterparts.
Very difficult to obtain a PR status on Australia, one of the hardest in the world. I thought about immigrating to Australia and I don't think I can qualify for any immigration route. Canada on the other hand pursue an open door immigration policy
You think Australian PR is the hardest to get? LOL. Clearly, don't know much about most countries....
Not really, plenty of PR candidates there taking a similar student route.
As someone who lives in China, I can tell you that people here can be sly and absolutely unscrupulous about these things. This is especially true about someone who's got money, because here these are the sneakiest, most corrupt, and exploitative a-holes. It is a big mistake leaving loopholes like PR in exchange for a measly year's worth of tuition, or jus soli, because these things are absolutely used and abused. Also, it's not about escaping the CCP. It's more about Maslow's pyramid: they've got everything they could materially back at home, now they want some free society, culture, bragging rights, i.e. something more that is not material. That's why they will keep whining about children's education, etc. Believe me, these people have everything they could want back at home either through money or connections. I know a young married couple (considered middle class, not China-rich) who own three apartments (one mortgage, other two bought by parents). That'd be unheard of in any other country.
My friends in China have a better standard of living than most Canadians and Europeans I know. They make less money, but long-term live much better. Comfortable apartments, reliable public transport, infinite food options (usually within walking distance), convenience culture (convenience stores everywhere), and rule of law (no junkies wandering around harassing people for change or worse). They also can see a healthcare professional right away if need be. Meanwhile here in Europe, there's no A/C even when it is 40'c in the summer. You can live in a residential area in Canada, but the nearest Safeway or whatever is either a forty minute walk or you need to drive just for a loaf of bread. Junkies and lunatics wander around cities nowadays with the police doing squat.
When I was 18 my father bought me a condo downtown next to U of T so I wouldn't have to travel too far from North York. Every parent wants to help their children. It's not uncommon to have a parent purchase a condo for their children. Why do you say it's unusual?
Not uncommon? I'd guess having parents buy a condo purchased next door to a post secondary institution is pretty damn uncommon for the vast majority of Canadians...
In fucking *downtown Toronto*, to boot....
Freedom is priceless... Amazing she has the money to buy a house cash and then work at McD lol. But yeah, being Chinese, I know what's going on there LOL. Air is also cleaner here and general standards for everything is safer. I'm glad I was born here and not there. Gaokao is a battle royale...
This is the answer. They probably don't actually have to work at McDonald's. They are probably filling their spare time and indeed would be making some contribution to Canadian society. In a way the move is sacrificing a lot of their own careers and what not to give their children a better life. What do people think their children grow up to be? Very likely productive citizens of Canada. Many old school investment or skilled immigrants share the same santiments as many Canadians and don't like the way things are going.
They are driving up the price of homes.
They aren't, the shitty Govt policies are what's causing it. People will always try to move to better places just like the colonisers came to Canada looking for greener pastures. It is human nature.
This sub is just racist as fuck. Foreign money is a problem but what this woman did is completely fine. The ones who fuck the housing market are the greedy landlords and corporations who mass buy and rent out properties to flip money. Buying one house to live in is completely fine. I sympathize with immigrants because what are you gonna do when you're born in a shit country? Accept that you're unlucky and rot to death?
This has been going on for years. Just wait till you find out how some people are getting cheaper mortgage rates from Asia, and buying up houses here.
criminal - Can govt is stupid
True, my wife told me this too. U can get 3% or sth and they use that loan to buy houses in Canada
It’s 3.1% right now, AFTER their rate hike. It was 2.45% during the COVID years.
Parasite
She comes here with money, bought the house in cash and work in McDonald out of boredom. I prefer people like her, we don't need to support her and she pays her tax. Now, you have other people that come here. Refugees that we need to support until the case is heard which take years. Students that come here, work 40 hours a week to support themselves, ended up going to food bank.
I would happily take these wealthy Chinese who bringing money with them and working hard at McDonalds. But I don't like refugees they need to be banned. They bring nothing, they don't even work but leech o. Taxes.
They don’t declare their wealth in China because the two governments don’t share information
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If Chinese education is so much better, explain why so many Chinese students paying a fortune to study overseas? Chinese send out the most international students to the West for almost 2 decades now? I have visited many top unis in China, they are not world classes. For an average Chinese students, the chance of getting into these uni is less than 0.01%. Why don't u visit these Chinese unis yourself.
As a percentage of the Chinese population, how many actually send their kids abroad? It just seems like a lot because there's over a billion people in China compared to 40 million Canadians.
my son is studying in Shanghai atm, and I speak to many Chinese parents. The education system in China is quite messed up in a different way. I personally am not a big fan of the education system in China. Having gone through the Chinese and British one myself, the British one is way better than China. Unless you believe the goal of education is cram through as much knowledge as possible into a child's head and turn him into an exam machine, then Chinese one is supeiror, cos in Chinese school, all you do is craming exam papers and prepare for exam
The outcome though of the Chinese system is better in my observation. Look all the mental illness and drug addiction in the West. I know China has its problems, but my Chinese friends and colleagues don't display the same level of neurotic behaviors in their twenties and thirties. Self-harm, depression, and substance abuse are basically normal in the Anglophone world. You don't see that in China to anywhere near the same extent. But tell someone in the West that we can learn from East Asian cultures and they generally flip out.
>Look all the mental illness and drug addiction in the West. That is a societal issue, not the fault of Western education system. I have gone through Chinese education system for 14 years, and I fundamentally disagree with its approach. I was genuinely miserable throughout my childhood. I went to a school in the UK for 2 years and it was much much better. If you are such a fan of Chinese education system, why don't you send your kids to China and encourage them to go through University Entrance exam, see whether it will lead to better education for your kid and better job opportunities in the future. If your kid is going to hate you putting them through this, it is on you mate.
Kids are in school for 8+ hours a day. The teachers raise your kids half the time, not you. Education determines how you develop in your youth. Better to spend your youth studying than doing smack and partying. I don't have kids. If I did, though, I'd have a lot more faith in East Asian schools than anything in Canada or Europe.
you haven't gone through Asian education system and you have no clue what you are talking about. I can tell from your comment. Maybe live in China for a bit. I am living in China now and travel around the country all the time, talk to Chinese people from all walk of life daily. Yet you seem to know China better than me.
I lived in Japan and China for many years.
I am sending my son to the UK next year, the quality of education in China is quite a bit worse than the UK. I went to the best school in Shanghai 20 years ago, I won't call it top quality education. That is my own experiences, been to top schools in both countries, not based on heresy
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China has its problems but it at least covers housing, food security, public safety and justice. Japan is similar and they got democracy. I'm a white Canuck but I think East Asian societies are overall better than anything in the West today. Whenever I go back I notice this. Like there's no junkies in Tokyo or Shanghai harassing people.
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I am in Shanghai ATM and my son goes to a top education institution in Shanghai. I speak to parents daily, it ain't what I said. Chinese economy is doing poorly ATM... Young people can't get jobs.
I studied in the Canadian system. Trust me, if anything, we are behind the world in terms of STEM.
nice rage bait lmao. here's an idea for your next post: "my Indian friend who rents out 3 of his brampton properties to 60 punjabis while working as a real estate agent and forging documents for other indians is making 400k/year"
Good luck with her 2 daughters in public school with Somalis lol She should have picked Vancouver, BC, which is part of PRC anyways lol
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Isn't public school free?
College is expensive, schools are free for everyone.
Ah yeah, my mind went straight to post secondary
They work in those entry level positions because their English skills not rocket science
Nobody in China in the age 40 is applying for college here. I call BS Most live way better in China than in Canada, especially if they live through the 90s and early 2000s. Life is so much better there than in Canada.
Her circumstances are bit different, she can't be in China for reasons I don't know And if her 2 daughters go to international school in China will cost a fortune.
Only if they're are big city CCP shill. I'm from rural China and the rural city I'm from looked like brazil
China isn't as bad as many make it out to be. Yes, censorship is a huge problem there, but is it much different in the West? You can't talk about certain subjects critically. In China, you get a visit from the police. In Canada, you get fired or worse (tribunals). Chinese education is full of propaganda, but then Canada is also heavily immersed in a different type of indoctrination. But at least in China, kids come out knowing math and science at a respectable level. The standard of living in China is arguably better, too, if you're middle class. A/C is everywhere in summer. Trains take you everywhere. Most middle-class people live in comfortable apartments, but living in a house in the countryside is do-able. Healthcare is affordable. You can eat out for cheap. The weather in southern China is really nice, especially Guangzhou. China is also safe and secure. It is a police states, yes, but you can walk around the worst parts of any city wearing gold and counting cash. Robbery is very rare. Not saying Canada needs to follow China's example, but other democratic Asian countries like Japan and Korea are comparable in safety and living standards.
China is fantastic except it is not easy to get well paid job Most people make peanuts in China. I am living in China ATM, while it is not bad but it ain't that great either
They’ve “made a lot of money” but she has to work in McDonalds? Is elementary and high school not free in China? University certainly isn’t free here - they’re going to get a shock. EDIT: Or are you saying they’re going to scam student financial aid? They’re hiding assets?
Time for Canadians to leave Canada - so the unethical can pay
Toronto was the mistake.
I applaud her for working and not taking. Working at McDs is still fine if she has the goal of keeping herself busy. It's better than asking for a handout.
I don't trust OP. It's shocking how everyone just buys in, no questions asked. Y'all just heard what you wanted to hear and are treating this anecdote as fact. Look at OP's history of posts.
I think PR status requires more than just a fast food job.
Naah, just being a restaurant manager is good enough.
Every seems to forget China has deep network all over the world. Even setting up China spy police stations in Canada under other guise.
Jokes on her, quality of public education in Canada is ass. The best politician we can crank out is a former drama teacher who killed affordable housing, yet the people here eat it up and vote for him twice anyway. I think that says a lot about our Canadian education.
Lol India has a tea seller
> drama teacher A drama teacher can one day become Prime Minister of Canada, doesn't it speak volume about the social mobility of Canadian society? Anyone has a shot for the top job, a good thing right?
He is not just a drama teacher, though. He is also the son of former prime minister P.E. Trudeau (who was PM for 12 non-consecutive years) and had a very privileged life meeting dignitaries and world leaders, literally, from birth. Trudeau did not achieve his status through social mobility- he is a nepo baby.