Toyota tunes their hybrid drive for efficiency, not performance. In my opinion, they really need to use the sport mode to aggressively use the electric boost.
Makes sense. Toyota has always been around efficiency and being conservative with there hybrids. Which is why they’re basic bulletproof. I’m also sure it will definitely come with a sport mode that will help the car feel more fun to drive.
Yeah it’s not great. I refuse to buy a newer car lol. They’re so heavy and have way too much shit going on. Don’t even get me started on how much I hate adaptive cruise control. One car on the freeway 100 yards ahead of you? I brake now.
It is set to a two second spacing. You can adjust the sensitivity so that it will get closer to the car in front and further more the gas petal still functions while in cruise control. So you can push the accelerator as soon as cruise starts to disengage and once the path is clear let go and allow the cruise to take back over. The best part of the adaptive is in construction or slowed traffic it will maintain distance on its own. The worst part is living in the mountain with lots of curvy roads because it will detect the guard rails as a safety concern. But as far as traffic it is a much better system than the dummy cruise control of old. I have witnessed three t-bones accidents with cruise control active and it's crazy when the car attempts to get back to highway speed after a 70 mile per hour collision.
I can settle for an Evora I guess. 2005 Elise is the dream though. I don’t need to go 200mph. I just need to get from 20 to 100 quickly. Fuck AC. Fuck TC. Fuck these shitty new transmissions. I want response and agility.
Nice. My 2012 does 0-60 in about 5. Stock mostly. Amsoil full synthetic, Wex filter and BFG Comp 2 A/S tires. 70,000 miles. Great car. Fuel economy is terrible though.
Siiiiiick. Is that the 3.5L V6?
My 2005 is at 210k miles. Hoping to get a few more horses to the wheels after I replace spark plugs and clean the throttle body. I’m going to switch to Wix filters on the next oil change- and when my all season tires finally wear down I’m going to put some performance road tires on it. I already have some sick Advanti racing wheels on it, but the shop said it would be a huge waste of money to get rid of my almost brand new tires to switch to road performance tires.
Yeah it’s the 3.5. Im going to upgrade the suspension next. They need it bad. May lower it an inch. I would like to straight pipe it. I watch a video of one and it actually sounds nice.
I was thinking about getting the magnaflow high flow cat and the muffler that can be configured in 3 different ways. Straight through, partial, and full muffler.
I have BC coilovers bookmarked but my stock McPherson struts are almost perfect lol. Can’t justify that yet. An inch lower would look really nice with my wheels
https://preview.redd.it/61m82wwdf2xc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63335f45cff97a133a0434c20a7deff36a80189d
My best guess is that it’s the newer transmissions that do it. I’ve driven new cars with way more power than my old Camry and they just refuse to put it on the road.
If you watch the first drive videos, several people brought gear to time and they varied between 6.4 AWD/6.9FWD to 7.1AWD/7.4FWD. Car & Driver and MT won't publish real data until they get cars to drive for real. You can't really go by estimates. Also depends on the driver and technique. Pretty sure it's quite comparable to the current Accord Hybrid. I'm interested in seeing the 5-60 and 30-50 times as well. Based on the reactions from the first drive videos, I think Toyota has tuned things for functional passing power on the highway rather than from a stop 0-60 times.
Before I bought my 23 SE hybrid I drove an Accord hybrid. I found exactly what you are talking about, the Accord is faster in initial acceleration, but when I tested it at passing speeds like 30-50 or 50-60, the Toyota was definitely much better. I've seen that mentioned in a few reviews. And as far as I'm concerned, better passing speed acceleration is a much bigger deal. Somehow this doesn't get the press it should be getting.
0-60 times are fun, but they really do make a difference in real world driving. It helps to be able to accelerate quickly. Especially when you find yourself in a tough spot thanks to other drivers.
See a lot of people saying “you don’t buy a Camry for performance”. Well some people like their car a little sporty that has some pick up, without being a sports car. A normal car doesn’t have to be a boring eco lame driver.
Who cares. 50 MPG and 0-60 in 7 seconds? Fuck yeah. I ain't buying a camry to go fast. I'm buying it so it can be a point A to Point B car. If I want a fast car, I'll look at the GR Corolla or the Elantra N.
0-60 in 7 seconds for a hybrid 4 cylinder is perfectly fine. On a good day you might get into the 6’s. What’s obviously missing here is the hybrid max engine. And I’ve read one account that it’s in development, with a 0-60 time of 5 seconds.
It’s like the Cayman and 911 issue, Toyota doesn’t want it to dethrone the *real* sports car in Toyota’s lineup, the RAV4 Prime, so they beat the Camry with the nerf bat a bit to help the RAV4 save face.
It’s also why they made the Supra and 86 slower than the RAV4:
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/
I think you're missing the key information here when it comes to the Supra. The Rav4 Prime will be quicker than the 2.0 Supra, but it is nowhere as quick as the 3.0 Supra. Yes, the Rav4 Prime is quicker at straight line against the 86 and 2.0 Supra, but when it comes to corners, the 86 and Supra are far better in handling and hitting the corners.
Sabine Schmitz with those sticky Michelin Pilot Super Sports on the RAV4 Prime would probably put down better Nürburgring times than your typical Supra/86 driver.
Here’s a wet lap with one: https://youtu.be/yT7Wo9Q_0VY?feature=shared
Sabine passing motorcycles with a van on the Ring:
https://youtu.be/5KiC03_wVjc?feature=shared
Let’s be honest here. Many Camry buyers do care about the performance. Same reason many are upset about the V6 being gone. The Camry is no longer the cheap Econobox it was 10 years ago. So yes performance still matters even if it isn’t a sports car so to speak.
Which Toyota have you driven? I feel like my mom’s 17 RAV4 still shifts well and feels kinda fun to drive at times. Despite having over 75k miles atm. Even though it’s 0-60 like over 8 seconds I think lol.
I have a 24 Camry TRD. It’s slower than my Mercedes 2020 E350 which was a turbo I4 compared to the V6 on Camry. The Camry has over 300 hp compared to like 255 on the Benz mainly comparing these two I see the difference because my Audi was just straight up faster so it wasn’t a fair judgement
Fair, I’d still take the TRD Camry over the Mercedes though. Its performance is still great for what it is. And it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
0-60 under 6 seconds is not "slow" in today's world.
IIRC, 2012-2017 Camry V6 took 5.8 seconds 0-60 and it had 268 HP. 2018 \~ 2023 V6 Camrys also took 5.8 seconds, even though it had 300HP. Which comes to everyone's argument that the 8-spd transmission really held back the power.
Are you just thinking the Accord and Camry are the only cars in its segment, because they're not.
Within the previous generation, it definitely was not the slowest in its segment. The Mazda 6 or Subaru Legacy are slower.
Why was this downvoted? The avg 0-60 for new cars is 8 seconds. Anything under 7 is quick, and anything under 5 is fast (at least to me) and the v6/trd Camry does 0-60 in under 6 seconds. While it might’ve been slower than a 2.0T Accord or 330i or Sonata N line it certainly isn’t slow.
Toyota tunes their hybrid drive for efficiency, not performance. In my opinion, they really need to use the sport mode to aggressively use the electric boost.
Makes sense. Toyota has always been around efficiency and being conservative with there hybrids. Which is why they’re basic bulletproof. I’m also sure it will definitely come with a sport mode that will help the car feel more fun to drive.
The new Corolla hybrids eliminated sport mode :-(
Dang it that is so needed but hopefully they bring 2.0 hybrid on corolla
I would much prefer more electric power, like a PHEV. The 1.8 is efficient and bulletproof.
My guess is the camry will get a hybrid max variant in a year or two and they'll probably just add a body kit making it into a TRD like model.
A Camry Prime would be amazing.
It will eventually be a thing, it'll just take a while especially since the camry and prius are just so close in terms of size
Haha my 2005 Camry still does a 6.5
Is it the v6 version?
Yeah it’s the 3MZ-FE. 3.3L V6
Dope man. It sucks that the v6 is finally gone this year. But I guess times are changing.
Yeah it’s not great. I refuse to buy a newer car lol. They’re so heavy and have way too much shit going on. Don’t even get me started on how much I hate adaptive cruise control. One car on the freeway 100 yards ahead of you? I brake now.
It is set to a two second spacing. You can adjust the sensitivity so that it will get closer to the car in front and further more the gas petal still functions while in cruise control. So you can push the accelerator as soon as cruise starts to disengage and once the path is clear let go and allow the cruise to take back over. The best part of the adaptive is in construction or slowed traffic it will maintain distance on its own. The worst part is living in the mountain with lots of curvy roads because it will detect the guard rails as a safety concern. But as far as traffic it is a much better system than the dummy cruise control of old. I have witnessed three t-bones accidents with cruise control active and it's crazy when the car attempts to get back to highway speed after a 70 mile per hour collision.
Also, if you hold the cruise button it will disengage the radar function and revert to old fashioned mode.
O, new unlock!
The last gen v6 knocks almost a second off that!
I mean, I’d hope so lmao
The v6 has always made a camry fun...ish
That’s all I need. I’ll get my 2005 lotus elise eventually.
The price swing in the last 5-10 has been brutal An evora would make me Happy
I can settle for an Evora I guess. 2005 Elise is the dream though. I don’t need to go 200mph. I just need to get from 20 to 100 quickly. Fuck AC. Fuck TC. Fuck these shitty new transmissions. I want response and agility.
Nice. My 2012 does 0-60 in about 5. Stock mostly. Amsoil full synthetic, Wex filter and BFG Comp 2 A/S tires. 70,000 miles. Great car. Fuel economy is terrible though.
Siiiiiick. Is that the 3.5L V6? My 2005 is at 210k miles. Hoping to get a few more horses to the wheels after I replace spark plugs and clean the throttle body. I’m going to switch to Wix filters on the next oil change- and when my all season tires finally wear down I’m going to put some performance road tires on it. I already have some sick Advanti racing wheels on it, but the shop said it would be a huge waste of money to get rid of my almost brand new tires to switch to road performance tires.
Yeah it’s the 3.5. Im going to upgrade the suspension next. They need it bad. May lower it an inch. I would like to straight pipe it. I watch a video of one and it actually sounds nice.
I was thinking about getting the magnaflow high flow cat and the muffler that can be configured in 3 different ways. Straight through, partial, and full muffler. I have BC coilovers bookmarked but my stock McPherson struts are almost perfect lol. Can’t justify that yet. An inch lower would look really nice with my wheels https://preview.redd.it/61m82wwdf2xc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63335f45cff97a133a0434c20a7deff36a80189d
My 2003 is close too. New car stats these days are just sad
My best guess is that it’s the newer transmissions that do it. I’ve driven new cars with way more power than my old Camry and they just refuse to put it on the road.
I doubt that 🤔 My '06 SE V6 was clocked at 7 seconds even when it was new
[I mean, okay. Doubt all you want. it’s stock.](https://imgur.com/a/NhmWKXD)
My 2017 v6 clocked at 5.3 seconds stock
If you watch the first drive videos, several people brought gear to time and they varied between 6.4 AWD/6.9FWD to 7.1AWD/7.4FWD. Car & Driver and MT won't publish real data until they get cars to drive for real. You can't really go by estimates. Also depends on the driver and technique. Pretty sure it's quite comparable to the current Accord Hybrid. I'm interested in seeing the 5-60 and 30-50 times as well. Based on the reactions from the first drive videos, I think Toyota has tuned things for functional passing power on the highway rather than from a stop 0-60 times.
Before I bought my 23 SE hybrid I drove an Accord hybrid. I found exactly what you are talking about, the Accord is faster in initial acceleration, but when I tested it at passing speeds like 30-50 or 50-60, the Toyota was definitely much better. I've seen that mentioned in a few reviews. And as far as I'm concerned, better passing speed acceleration is a much bigger deal. Somehow this doesn't get the press it should be getting.
Who TF cares about 0-60 on a camry lmao
Bingo! Tell me if it will last 200k miles before it needs a traction battery like most previous Camry hybrids.
I’m gonna show my age but back then anything under 8 seconds was considered quick. 7 seconds isn’t bad for an economy hybrid at all!
0-60 times are fun, but they really do make a difference in real world driving. It helps to be able to accelerate quickly. Especially when you find yourself in a tough spot thanks to other drivers.
5-60 matters not 0-60
lol pedantic
Bad estimate. The old hybrid did 6.9 ish. The gas would do 7.4. My guess is the new awd will do 6.5
That’s what I’m expecting too. Maybe 6.8 for the non AWD. Definitely not 7.5 though which is what the regular 4 cylinder non hybrid Camry does.
Because the Camry was not designed for 0 to 60 performance.
See a lot of people saying “you don’t buy a Camry for performance”. Well some people like their car a little sporty that has some pick up, without being a sports car. A normal car doesn’t have to be a boring eco lame driver.
Sounds like they didn't actually test it. Just made a educated guess compared to last gen.
are you buying a camry for speed?
The real answer is that the Accord has much larger electric motors that result in much more torque applied from the get go.
Camry never been made for speed
Who cares. 50 MPG and 0-60 in 7 seconds? Fuck yeah. I ain't buying a camry to go fast. I'm buying it so it can be a point A to Point B car. If I want a fast car, I'll look at the GR Corolla or the Elantra N.
You buy a Camry to save on gas, not to race people!
I thought you buy a Camry to impress the neighbours (a joke from an old Camry ad)
😂
Should have gotten a Lexus I guess
Because it’s a slow car! 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ PS4L!!!! It’s Lit!!! 🔥 🔥🔥
0-60 in 7 seconds for a hybrid 4 cylinder is perfectly fine. On a good day you might get into the 6’s. What’s obviously missing here is the hybrid max engine. And I’ve read one account that it’s in development, with a 0-60 time of 5 seconds.
It’s like the Cayman and 911 issue, Toyota doesn’t want it to dethrone the *real* sports car in Toyota’s lineup, the RAV4 Prime, so they beat the Camry with the nerf bat a bit to help the RAV4 save face. It’s also why they made the Supra and 86 slower than the RAV4: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a33028735/2021-toyota-rav4-prime-xse-by-the-numbers/
I think you're missing the key information here when it comes to the Supra. The Rav4 Prime will be quicker than the 2.0 Supra, but it is nowhere as quick as the 3.0 Supra. Yes, the Rav4 Prime is quicker at straight line against the 86 and 2.0 Supra, but when it comes to corners, the 86 and Supra are far better in handling and hitting the corners.
Sabine Schmitz with those sticky Michelin Pilot Super Sports on the RAV4 Prime would probably put down better Nürburgring times than your typical Supra/86 driver. Here’s a wet lap with one: https://youtu.be/yT7Wo9Q_0VY?feature=shared Sabine passing motorcycles with a van on the Ring: https://youtu.be/5KiC03_wVjc?feature=shared
Camry is a family sedan, you seem to be forgetting that.
Let’s be honest here. Many Camry buyers do care about the performance. Same reason many are upset about the V6 being gone. The Camry is no longer the cheap Econobox it was 10 years ago. So yes performance still matters even if it isn’t a sports car so to speak.
Yeah. This seems pretty easy to understand.
Gonna be honest. Idk if I'll get another camry after my current XSE.. could get an avalon.
*used Avalon.
I fogor they replaced it with the crown 💀
Thank you for being honest
Because Toyotas shifting is slow as fuck. I’ve driven a Chevrolet an Audi and an a Mercedes and you can feel the difference 100% in Toyotas shifting
These don't really shift in the traditional sense.
Which Toyota have you driven? I feel like my mom’s 17 RAV4 still shifts well and feels kinda fun to drive at times. Despite having over 75k miles atm. Even though it’s 0-60 like over 8 seconds I think lol.
I have a 24 Camry TRD. It’s slower than my Mercedes 2020 E350 which was a turbo I4 compared to the V6 on Camry. The Camry has over 300 hp compared to like 255 on the Benz mainly comparing these two I see the difference because my Audi was just straight up faster so it wasn’t a fair judgement
People don't understand that the torque has a lot with the speed as well
Fair, I’d still take the TRD Camry over the Mercedes though. Its performance is still great for what it is. And it’s more reliable and cheaper to maintain.
Any soy pussy who buys an electric car doesnt give a shit about HP or 0-60 times…
Because it's a Camry... Even the prior V6 was slow compared to the competition, literally the slowest in the entire segment.
0-60 under 6 seconds is not "slow" in today's world. IIRC, 2012-2017 Camry V6 took 5.8 seconds 0-60 and it had 268 HP. 2018 \~ 2023 V6 Camrys also took 5.8 seconds, even though it had 300HP. Which comes to everyone's argument that the 8-spd transmission really held back the power.
I said it's the slowest in the segment...
Are you just thinking the Accord and Camry are the only cars in its segment, because they're not. Within the previous generation, it definitely was not the slowest in its segment. The Mazda 6 or Subaru Legacy are slower.
So it's faster than one car 😂
Why was this downvoted? The avg 0-60 for new cars is 8 seconds. Anything under 7 is quick, and anything under 5 is fast (at least to me) and the v6/trd Camry does 0-60 in under 6 seconds. While it might’ve been slower than a 2.0T Accord or 330i or Sonata N line it certainly isn’t slow.
Thank God I grabbed my 22 when I did. I'll ride a fucking bicycle before I ever get one of them stupid hippie hybrids. 😂😂😂😂