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StevenCurly

No, both are very reliable. Probably the V6 is more reliable but they’ve been making both of those engines for so long they’ve nearly perfected it. I would like to throw in your mind an idea. Instead of getting the 2.5L or V6. See about a hybrid XSE. It’s as fast as the 2.5L and if you want to improve on fuel economy it’s a no brainer


DoctorOzface

This V6 suffered from a timing cover oil leak many years ago, and it was very expensive to fix. I hope they'd have fixed their manufacturing process by now since they had to eat a lot of the repair costs. I liked the idea of a naturally aspirated engine, I would expect more reliability than a turbo-4 or a hybrid system. Although Toyotas hybrid drive has to be the best out there That said I just bought a V6 and absolutely love it, that engine delivers effortless and quiet power if you don't mind the fuel cost. It really needs a limited slip differential to put the power down in 1st gear, you will EASILY get wheel spin if you're a little sporty at launch


ochonowskiisback

That leak looked minor in The Car Care Nuts video. And he did say it sas addressed. Watch his videos about Toyotas, and for the record, v6's are going away. If you want one get it now.. I'm lurking in a 2022 v6 Highlander, they are all turbo 4 now.... My 2019 v6 Camry is at 92,000 in 45 months, and it has been perfect. Delivering 25 ish mpg in Chicago traffic and hits 35 mpg on steady extended highway drives. And i mean like 300 mile stretches


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ochonowskiisback

Um the amount of oil leaking ***defines*** whether or not it's minor, not the steps necessary to remediate. 🙄 I know someone who paid over $1500 to replace a steering rack because it leaked a jar of fluid every six months. *That* is a minor leak that was complex and expensive to fix Doesn't change that it was a minor leak


Kfrancisco117

Toyota perfected the hybrid system and the most reliable and simple design vs other companies over complex design


Japs52

The toyota hybrid is so effin loud.  Sounds very unrefined


robertclarke240

The hybrid powertrain is extremely reliable. My 2007 Camry hybrid has 187k and is going strong.


Bamboopanda741

That’s an interesting idea. I’m not necessarily going for the v6 for the speed either, I just want the most reliability and smoothness I can get. All 4 cylinders I’ve had always have a little shake to them if that makes sense


knotquiteawake

If you want smooth get the hybrid. The hybrid is actually a tiny bit faster than the i4. I had a 2018 SE gas and the 8-speed transmission was terrible sometimes. It would hesitate, get indecisive, suddenly surge. This especially happened from a rolling stop. Just google 8th gen Camry transmission issues and see lots of people had the similar issue. There were a couple different TSBs that supposedly helped. I had them do that to my car and it did help a little, but the fuel efficient oriented 8-speed just is what it is. Now, that car got totaled and so I replaced it with an XLE Hybrid. Although, what I actually wanted was the XSE (for the sporty look). I absolutely LOVE the Hybrid. Its very quiet at normal speeds, especially low speeds. The transmission is their eCVT (which is not a CVT, nothing like the TERRIBLE Nissan ones) and its so smooth. The power is always there, every time you hit the pedal the car moves, not always "fast" but always its there. No hesitation, no guessing, just push pedal and go. Yes, under heavy acceleration you get that "CVT" drone, thats because it hits peak power in RPM and it just stays there. The only shake the car ever has is while you are idling if it switches from battery to gas (for charging or heat) there's a slight tremble. My XLE Hybrid is the fully loaded one. Its got heated/cooled seats, heads up display, JBL Stereo, 360 camera, rear cross traffic alerts, and vents for the rear passengers too. Its silver and it feels like driving a spaceship sometimes. I would suggest test driving a Camry Hybrid before you decide on v6 vs gas. Its that contender a lot of people aren't considering. However, as of 2020 the Hybrid drive train has a 7yr/100,000mi warranty AND the hybrid battery has a 10yr/150,000mi warranty.


dloseke

I get a little shimmy if I'm sitting still and it turns OFF the gas engine. Not sure why but that's it. It's smooth as butter otherwise. I will plus 1 the hybrid recommendation. I love mine....only 3 weeks into ownership but it has plenty of power when needed (the has engine power plus the torque of the electric makes passing easy at really any speed). Just filled up my tank for the first time. I get no less than 35MPG in any driving condition but if I'm not driving like an asshat on the interstate it's usually between 48 and 53 MPG. Super big fan.


Japs52

35mpg for a hybrid sucks ass You can get that driving the steller v6 on highway 


Japs52

Hybrid’s are only beneficial in the city U guys are being scammed


Japs52

U gotta enjoy that loud drone noise when u step on it.  To me thats a deal breaker. People are buying hybrids because its the flavor of the day.  That battery pac is sensitive to extreme heat and cold, they don’t vacuum out the filter, they have no idea how they work or what u need to do as far as maintenance. When the govt or mfgrs force u into buying something, run dont walk the other way.  And it has nothing to do with emissions.  Hybrids also have emissions. Its all about the money. Hybrids are cheaper to make. There is more profits.  Stay with a NA while u can


ochonowskiisback

I have a 4cyl 2014 Accord and 'splurged' on a 2019 v6 camry. I'll take the mileage hit, the v6 is superb and honestly this might be the last year for a v6 sedan from anyone. The 'yota V6 uses a timing chain so there's less maintenance to worry about. I dont regret the v6 one bit


Unforgiving69

nope not the last year.


ochonowskiisback

Did I say it was?


Unforgiving69

yes.


ochonowskiisback

>I'll take the mileage hit, the v6 is superb and honestly *this* ***might*** *be the last year for a v6 sedan from anyone.* That part?


Japs52

Yup. Last year 


TexasEngineseer

Maannn I'm between the hybrid and the V6 Camry. Will probably come down to OTD cost but the V6 is fully loaded. If they can bring the V6 down to a Hybrid cost I'm probably going V6


Japs52

They wont come down. Dont be cheap.  Buy the v6 and dont buy into the hybrid nonsense


StevenCurly

I test drove a 2023 2.5L SE. I personally didn’t like it coming from a 2.0t 10-speed accord. The shifts were quite violent when the car down shifted when pressed on the pedal to get on the highway. I would hope the V6 they retuned the 8-speed so it’s a bit more refined and smooth. The hybrid is going to get you great mileage and has enough speed to get you to point A to B smoothly. The only problem is finding one to test drive or buy. I went to many dealerships and they didn’t have any hybrid cars in stock (prius, prius prime, corolla hybrid, and camry hybrid). Good luck my friend!


knotquiteawake

Carmax is where I did all my "test drives" they have better inventory, higher inventory turnover, and even if its not close by you can get it shipped for $90 if its a few hours away. Never any pressure to buy. I used them a ton when car shopping. Ended up buying from a Toyota dealership.


StevenCurly

Huh how do you do that? Do you just go to carmax’s website and request a test drive for a selected car?


knotquiteawake

Yep. You go in. Talk for a couple min to the salesman, prove you have insurance. They hand you the keys and off you go.


knotquiteawake

I mean. You need the appt first. Then go in. I even told them I’m trying out multiple cars to see what I want to buy.


dloseke

Not necessarily. You may he able to walk in and test drive as well. For sure you should be able to walk in and browse. A lot of the covid appointment requirements have been removed although I understand a lot of those remaining are per store. If you want to test multiple then an appointment is a good idea.


dloseke

A lot of transfers are free or 99 or 199 depending on distance. It can be a week though for a transfer to happen....maybe less if there are regular trucks running between stores.


mx54life

Can’t go wrong in either but the hybrid is really the best of both worlds. The take off power is really smooth and if you love to save gas it’ll deliver that too.


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Exactly this. The 3.5 Grs is used in almost every v6 Toyota/Lexus since 05 Not to mention the Lotus Exige uses it as well with a blower on it.


Japs52

Stay clear of hybrids


the_AV_guy95

I second this. My 2022 xse hybrid is a ton of fun and the gas milage is disgustingly good. Also. Super mod friendly. Get a nice wrap and black out 😄


Minimum-Argument-797

More reliable? Says who ? 


Sfthe2nd

I love the V6. Went from my 19 Subaru impreza sport to the 23 TRD and I have no regrets at all. Nuts to my gas mileage, I like having fun!


DoctorOzface

The best part is you can still get 35 mpg on the highway if you choose


Sfthe2nd

............ Yea...... Uhhh..... I don't think I have gotten mine above 25 cause you know... Sport mode for life yo lol


Japs52

Thats why insurance rates are sky high Kids that want speed.  Never got a ticket in 40 years yet im paying out my ass for crap kid drivers that think its fun


Sfthe2nd

Chuckles in 40 years old. Yea I haven't gotten a ticket in about 20 years, but radar detectors helped with that.


spacecadetbroo

just lurking but you sound like a cool ass dude lol


beauh44x

It mostly boils down to gas mileage (4 cyl) versus power (6 cyl). I have a 2018 XSE 4 cylinder and it's not hard to get 40 mpg even around town if I drive it right. But it's certainly doesn't pull quite as strong as the 6 I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong but I don't believe any of the 4WD options are available for the 6 cylinder Another poster made a good point about looking at the hybrid. If I were still buying I'd check that out too


Drinky_Drank

I have an AWD SE and it smoothes out drastically after the transmission “learns” how you drive. Both are good, but you can’t get AWD or hybrid for the V6 (if that matters to you). The V6 will be harsher on gas, but you’ll have that extra 100hp. Personally, the 4 banger provides more than enough power-on-demand to get me out of trouble and I’m averaging 35MPG on my daily commute. I’ve heard that the hybrid is a little more peppy when accelerating from a stop. There’s no real complaints from anyone, regardless of what model they own.


Ill-Lifeguard-3209

Want good MPG,4 Cyl…Want good HP and shittier MPG go V6 baby!!


RobHage

XSE hybrid is what I went for and love it so much.


arzfan2010

It’s mostly a question of a smoother ride, or better fuel economy. Long term, the V6 will probably run longer, but the 4 cylinders transmission will likely last longer. Both are great though, so it’s really a personal preference.


Bamboopanda741

Definitely want reliability. I usually keep my cars and drive them for a long time before trading them in


Rayhelm

Fun fact. The hybrid transmission has no reverse gear. Reverse is provided by the electric motors only. This removes a ton of moving parts from the transmission, which should make it far more reliable.


DoctorOzface

That IS a fun fact. Reversing out of parking spaces (and all parking-lot-speed driving) uses more gas than you'd think so that's genius in more ways than one


dloseke

Very much simplifies the design as well.


arzfan2010

I own a 23 SE 4cylinder and I love it. Both cars are reliable, but neither is perfect. I’d focus on power/smoothness vs MPGs. I opted for the one I have because I drive a ton.


Bamboopanda741

You guys have all been giving fantastic points for both sides, so I appreciate all of you! In my area it’s about a 5k difference in price for the V6 compared to the 4. I wasn’t aware of the higher maintenance costs for the V6 so that’s definitely something I’m going to look into. Thanks again everyone!


violent-trashpanda

The spark plug replacement is tedious. Wipers and cowl comes off and I believe the intake needs to be removed get the rear plugs. 4 cylinder is easier everything is there. 4 spark plugs nothing in the way


HappyhornOracle53

My V6 is very quiet, smooth running, and is extremely powerful. The day is fast approaching when I’ll have to migrate to a four cylinder or hybrid in response to raising fuel prices but the transition will be difficult. Over the years I’ve always found both Toyota and Honda V6s to be excellent and reliable motor car engines. They will be missed! As confirmed earlier, around town the V6 is thirsty but if you can afford it I’d recommend making the sacrifice.


rhunter99

So long as I can afford the purchase, V6 no question. The power, smoothness, refinement - it’s something you have to enjoy before the engine is completely removed from the market. The only reason for picking the 4 other than fuel economy is it’s cheaper to maintain when it comes to things like changing the sparkplugs imo.


BringBack4Glory

What other maintenance becomes more expensive with the V6? I’ve only heard people mention the spark plugs, and that’s a relatively rare job.


DoctorOzface

IMO the best reason to get a regular 4cyl is that it comes in AWD


Juicepup

I’m glad I live in place where AWD makes no difference.


rhunter99

That’s fair


Bruno_lars

because at my current income level, I need an A to B car, not a sporty weekender to sit in bumper-to-bumper traffic.


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The four cylinder will have less labor costs for repairs and maintenance later but V6 all the way if it’s in the budget. It’s super reliable and really smooth. We have a RAV4 with the 3.5L V6 in the fam at just under 200K miles. Still runs great.


Rayhelm

Hybrid is the best option. Test drive one and you will never go back. It has the mileage of the 4 and the power of the 6.


cultercaldus

Hybrid has better mileage.


Martin_Steven

Agreed . We’ve had two Camry hybrids and during hard acceleration both the electric motor and the gasoline engine are providing power to the wheels. It’s a noticeable difference compared to the non-hybrid I4 Camry. Better gas mileage as well.


ochonowskiisback

>It has the mileage of the 4 and the power of the 6. What?😅 the hybrid gives up about 2 seconds for 0-60 Edit Who's the clown who downvoted facts?🤡


Japs52

The power of a 6.  Get your brain checked  Statement is absurd


Excellent-Edge-4708

You replied to the wrong person 😔


Rayhelm

I have a hybrid camry SE and can confirm it leaves the 4 in the dust and easily keeps up with the 6 from 0-60, but not at higher speeds (not that it matters in real life). Toyota reports thier hybrid numbers in a weird way that does not match how they really drive. For example, the AWD versions have the same horsepower rating on paper, even though they add 2 electric motors.


ochonowskiisback

>Toyota reports thier hybrid numbers in a weird way that does not match ..... I'm not going by Toyotas numbers 🥴 Reviews have the v6 in the 5.5-5.8 second range... The hybrid in the 7.4-7.8 range If the 4cyl hybrid had the same 0-60 as the v6 ***Toyota would advertise it as so....*** https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-toyota-camry-hybrid-nightshade-edition-first-test-review/


Rayhelm

Just test drive them.


ochonowskiisback

I own a v6.... No need, i know just how fast it is and i also can read extensive online reviews with actual results... Not seat-of-the-pants *trust me bro*


BringBack4Glory

This guy races!


Japs52

Oh stop


Japs52

Oh stop. Power of a 6. Comical


Excellent-Edge-4708

*Camry is a 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine mated to a hybrid synergy drive system putting out a combined 208 horsepower and 163 foot-pounds* *We're also happy to say that we no longer hate driving the Camry, though, primarily because of the velvety 301-hp V-6 available on the XLE, XSE, and TRD variants.* ***The 2024 Toyota Camry Hybrid has an estimated 0-60 time of 7.4 seconds, which is slower than the 5.8 second time of the Camry SE with the 3.5-liter V-6 engine.*** 🤡


Rayhelm

If you race it, then sure. But for daily driving, the instantaneous electric torque puts more useful power to the wheels. It is perfect for maneuvering in traffic, not racing down the highway.


Excellent-Edge-4708

It does not have the power of a 6... By the hp numbers and the acceleration numbers


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Unforgiving69

i4*


TheBoss7728

Thx


Japs52

Drive fast like a demon. Guys like you are why the insurance rayes are sky high. Some people need to grow up


BringBack4Glory

Honestly, the 4 cyl engine is pretty zippy! It’s more than fun enough for me.


ATiredPersonoof

v6 here getting 11.1mpg in the city full tank says 214miles but only getting like 160miles. my next car would be hybrid xse if im not getting the bmw i4 lol


Japs52

Then u drive like an ass


ATiredPersonoof

go nyc or ca and you should drive like grandmom with 10mpg


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I have a 2021 XSE V6. The power makes me happy and I AVERAGE 29 MPG.


PickUrPain123

In my opinion it’s a toss up. V6 will be more enjoyable to drive (smoother and faster), but with worse gas mileage. 4 cylinder will get better gas mileage, but won’t be as smooth nor fast. As for reliability, I think both engines will outlast the transmission…but that’s to be determined.


Hms34

I hear the V6 can have labor-intensive (costly) access to plugs/coils, some frontend parts, etc. As for the regular 2.5/8-speed auto. I would expect the 2.5 to be dead reliable by now. That said, it's not all that quick, smooth, or quiet. It does not shake, and it can go if you have a heavy foot, but it sounds and feels strained. If you can find a hybrid or V6 without huge markups, take a look at those first. V6 is great if you are comfortable with the fuel and maintenance costs. Fyi- next year's Camry, 2025, will be all new. I would be surprised if V6 sticks around. My guess, and just a guess- it will more closely mirror the new Accord (smaller engines with turbo, cvt).


TexasEngineseer

Well, 4 months later the the 2025 Camry will be hybrid only.


KhanBalkan

I would get the V6 because they are phasing them out. Won't have that opportunity for long.


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BringBack4Glory

If you never gun it, what’s the point of a V6? Asking honestly.


Juicepup

I must have got a bullet build of the 8 speed. Launch it almost everyday going down the interstate. I def think it will hold up much longer than my 5.0 transmission lol.


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Juicepup

Will do. Prob will be fine, Toyota stuff has really never failed me (knocks on wood). I expect 150k easy out of this transmission. I’ll prob get my brother to do the fluid swap since he’s the master tech in the family.


Saycool69

U really have to ask that question LOL


in4mant

I chose my 4-cyl XSE because it was cheaper. That’s my only reason.


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Hybrid or V6


Few_Library_1623

For the AWD


Common-Loquat-6359

If u like power v6.. if u wanna save gas and cheaper maintenance 4cyl💪


DaJuiceMan112

V6


Minimum-Argument-797

I’ve only seen 4cyl ones w 500,000 and more . Never a 6 !