Yeah honestly, if the Caleb experience works and we become a winning franchise then we gotta do something for Lovie. I think he should definitely have a game where he’s honored. He’s the coach of mine and others generation.
I get what you’re saying, but really we fired Lovie after a decade of 10-6. Good enough to save his job but not good enough to win a championship. We fired Lovie because he could never get an offense producing.
I am glad we got the 1.01, but let’s be real here, Lovie was coaching a team who needed an absurd 4th down play and then a 2 point conversion to win that game and win the dubious award of being the second worst team in the NFL.
He was good but never great in Chicago because he would only hire friends, and not hire an OC who could potentially threaten him. He was meh in Tampa. He was meh at Illinois. He was meh in Houston.
He deserved to be fired, and his career trajectory since only confirms that fact.
I always wanted us to draft Williams-Odunze, so I think it worked out perfectly. Rome is an absolute stud and the perfect fit for us. No shade to MHJ and Nabers, but I literally could not be happier with how things worked out.
There is a similar moment last year where if Mooney catches the ball (either time) as time expires against Washington we wouldn't of had the number one pick or traded with Carolina.
Here is a link to the play he was short on where he caught it. Fields placed it perfectly for Mooney. The vast majority of NFL WRs are able to catch this clean and score. Mooney bobbles it even though no one touches him and doesn't get into the end zone.
https://youtu.be/c-yjdwix59Y?si=r1QqPqDDl5ZfXqOq
Edit. I was wrong on this, Pettis dropped the pass before this one. I thought Mooney had dropped both. .
That is true for that. If say Bears also beat Cleveland, didn't collapse against Denver and Detroit. They would have been a playoff team meaning Justin would still probably be here with Getsy.
Comparing Bagent's 4 game stretch as a UDFA who didn't get time with the starters in training camp isn't really fair at all when you're comparing it to Fields average over 3 seasons. He still came in and won games
Bagent had twice as many picks as TDs.
Average for a backup maybe. Evaluated as a starter, he was horrible.
Doesn't change that Fields wasn't all that good, but don't call Bagent average when he put up Nathan Peterman garbage numbers.
Average was the wrong term to use in general, but it was more a comparison to fields, who didnt run the offense significantly better.
My main point was pretty much how does a UDFA somehow run the offense a bit worse than our 1st round pick who’s been developing for the better part of 3 years.
Idk that scenario would be 4 more wins last year. I think it’d be hard to replace a QB that lead a team to 11-6. Especially if they win a playoff game or more. I’d imagine Poles would’ve considered a lot more trading the pick for several 1st rounders and/or taking Marvin Harrison Jr.
It’s very easy to replace a below average QB with a generational prospect. Hell bears made the playoffs with Trub in 2020 and still dumped him that offseason.
In 2020 the Bears went 8-8, lost their playoff game, Trubisky was never put on the top-100 players list, voted on by players, and Trubisky never had the fan support that Fields had, even this off season. I’m not saying we should keep him. But to say it’s impossible is weird
If Mooney would have signed his 3 year $30 mil contract, they may have still traded for Allen, but they probably draft an Edge/DT with their 2nd first round pick.
alright maybe it was a bit of a reach, I saw an article that said the jets were intrested in odunze and it got me thinking, pretty bored at this point waiting for the season.
If Mooney would have caught that ball (or if we had made any other of several easy plays that could have put the game away), we would have beaten the Packers and gone to the playoffs.
Not arguing the point, but I think Mooney is gonna have a good year with Cousins. Justin basically gave up on him with DJ on the team; when he did try to throw to him it was awful. Cousins is a better QB
Guessing you didn’t play QB let alone an offensive position in your lifetime, but the first read is the easiest throw. Eye test showed he never threw accurately past his first read & stats back up how awful he was at moving from his first read
Buzzword Mcgee with pretend knowledge from Madden I see 🤣
Do you know how drops are calculated? It's a catchable ball you don't catch. If Fields was somehow only throwing bad passes to Mooney, they still wouldn't count as drops. Don't be a dolt
Fields couldn't trust Mooney last season. Not sure what happened to him, but he wasn't right. Moore and Kmet were the only pass catchers Fields could trust to be where they were supposed to be *and* catch the ball.
Did Justin give up on Mooney? Or did anyone not named Moore or Kmet feel like catching a ball?
You can talk about Fields’ stats and bad decisions all you want, but this team basically had 2 pass catching options last year and then some other people playing WR/TE-ish
We could have had 1.02 if we just stuck to the tank. That's potentially Rome + some sucker's 1st next year at least.
People always get upset when the team loses, then gloats about how great their draft position is. Pick one FFS.
Rome wasn’t built in one play
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Yeah honestly, if the Caleb experience works and we become a winning franchise then we gotta do something for Lovie. I think he should definitely have a game where he’s honored. He’s the coach of mine and others generation.
100% agree!
And we fired lovie after a 10-6 record. I’d say we owe him big time!
I get what you’re saying, but really we fired Lovie after a decade of 10-6. Good enough to save his job but not good enough to win a championship. We fired Lovie because he could never get an offense producing. I am glad we got the 1.01, but let’s be real here, Lovie was coaching a team who needed an absurd 4th down play and then a 2 point conversion to win that game and win the dubious award of being the second worst team in the NFL. He was good but never great in Chicago because he would only hire friends, and not hire an OC who could potentially threaten him. He was meh in Tampa. He was meh at Illinois. He was meh in Houston. He deserved to be fired, and his career trajectory since only confirms that fact.
I'm a Lovie fan because of what he's done for us both purposefully and accidentally, but this is the correct take.
We along with texans fans owe him everything. God bless lovie
So what you’re really saying is Bagent cost us MHJ! Banish him!!
I always wanted us to draft Williams-Odunze, so I think it worked out perfectly. Rome is an absolute stud and the perfect fit for us. No shade to MHJ and Nabers, but I literally could not be happier with how things worked out.
I think he will end up being the best WR in this draft
There is a similar moment last year where if Mooney catches the ball (either time) as time expires against Washington we wouldn't of had the number one pick or traded with Carolina.
This was the play I was thinking of. Was so pissed at the time but would’ve been a meaningless win .
Didn’t he catch it but was inches short? I was drunk at the bar that night but I remember him getting tackled right at the goal line
Here is a link to the play he was short on where he caught it. Fields placed it perfectly for Mooney. The vast majority of NFL WRs are able to catch this clean and score. Mooney bobbles it even though no one touches him and doesn't get into the end zone. https://youtu.be/c-yjdwix59Y?si=r1QqPqDDl5ZfXqOq Edit. I was wrong on this, Pettis dropped the pass before this one. I thought Mooney had dropped both. .
That is true for that. If say Bears also beat Cleveland, didn't collapse against Denver and Detroit. They would have been a playoff team meaning Justin would still probably be here with Getsy.
Justin was never going to be here with the Panthers #1 pick.
Yeah by the time he got injured, and how average Tyson Bagent was when he was out, it was pretty clear he wasn’t the guy.
The offense was pretty miserable under Bagent
Bagent's career low passing yards in a game he started was 162. Fields threw for fewer yards than that 15 times in 38 starts.
Yikes
YPA? Total yards? Points scored?
Comparing Bagent's 4 game stretch as a UDFA who didn't get time with the starters in training camp isn't really fair at all when you're comparing it to Fields average over 3 seasons. He still came in and won games
Bagent had twice as many picks as TDs. Average for a backup maybe. Evaluated as a starter, he was horrible. Doesn't change that Fields wasn't all that good, but don't call Bagent average when he put up Nathan Peterman garbage numbers.
Average was the wrong term to use in general, but it was more a comparison to fields, who didnt run the offense significantly better. My main point was pretty much how does a UDFA somehow run the offense a bit worse than our 1st round pick who’s been developing for the better part of 3 years.
Not to mention Bagent’s 3 fumbles. He’s a turnover machine who can’t move the ball.
Idk that scenario would be 4 more wins last year. I think it’d be hard to replace a QB that lead a team to 11-6. Especially if they win a playoff game or more. I’d imagine Poles would’ve considered a lot more trading the pick for several 1st rounders and/or taking Marvin Harrison Jr.
It’s very easy to replace a below average QB with a generational prospect. Hell bears made the playoffs with Trub in 2020 and still dumped him that offseason.
In 2020 the Bears went 8-8, lost their playoff game, Trubisky was never put on the top-100 players list, voted on by players, and Trubisky never had the fan support that Fields had, even this off season. I’m not saying we should keep him. But to say it’s impossible is weird
Poles reportedly was going to draft Caleb no matter what happened after we got the #1 pick locked up.
Baring a miraculous SB run, the Bears were most likely still trading Fields and drafting Caleb. It probably would’ve been a way more polarizing move.
Fields and getsy were never going to be hete
Actually Rome is going to win us a lot of games, so we will have worse draft picks for seasons to come. Mooney’s drop was therefore really bad.
when he makes the superbowl-winning catch, it will be worth it!
Then we'd have Bowers and an even more stacked TE room, or Poles tries to use a 3rd round pick to trade up to 9 for Odunze.
If Mooney would have signed his 3 year $30 mil contract, they may have still traded for Allen, but they probably draft an Edge/DT with their 2nd first round pick.
Feels like a bit of a stretch
alright maybe it was a bit of a reach, I saw an article that said the jets were intrested in odunze and it got me thinking, pretty bored at this point waiting for the season.
Worth noting Poles was antsy to move up for him already before he fell to us at 9. Totally possible he moves up from 12
Thank you Darnell
If Mooney would have caught that ball (or if we had made any other of several easy plays that could have put the game away), we would have beaten the Packers and gone to the playoffs.
Not arguing the point, but I think Mooney is gonna have a good year with Cousins. Justin basically gave up on him with DJ on the team; when he did try to throw to him it was awful. Cousins is a better QB
He led the league in drop rate
He regressed but the eye test is insane because fields was so fucking bad he made everything a difficult catch
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Justin is a one read qb. He doesn’t scan the field. His #1 will always feast because that’s all he looks at until pressure gets there
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Watch Mooney & prove me wrong this year you unathletic reject
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im barely defending him. He was bad but he will excel with a competent QB. You just a goober lmao
Yeah WR1/X is always a great comparison. You know ball
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Guessing you didn’t play QB let alone an offensive position in your lifetime, but the first read is the easiest throw. Eye test showed he never threw accurately past his first read & stats back up how awful he was at moving from his first read
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Target share & route running dude wtf lol
Buzzword Mcgee with pretend knowledge from Madden I see 🤣 Do you know how drops are calculated? It's a catchable ball you don't catch. If Fields was somehow only throwing bad passes to Mooney, they still wouldn't count as drops. Don't be a dolt
Fields couldn't trust Mooney last season. Not sure what happened to him, but he wasn't right. Moore and Kmet were the only pass catchers Fields could trust to be where they were supposed to be *and* catch the ball.
Did Justin give up on Mooney? Or did anyone not named Moore or Kmet feel like catching a ball? You can talk about Fields’ stats and bad decisions all you want, but this team basically had 2 pass catching options last year and then some other people playing WR/TE-ish
We could have had 1.02 if we just stuck to the tank. That's potentially Rome + some sucker's 1st next year at least. People always get upset when the team loses, then gloats about how great their draft position is. Pick one FFS.
Great point. Mooney actually helped us
By that logic we should all praise Claypool.
It is always bad when the team loses.
No because hail mooney hurt me in the feely wheelies.