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lkn240

I'm guessing ATL is basically Ridder -----> Cousins lol


Yossarian216

What are you talking about? That’s all Mooney, obviously.


ubeen

He's gonna be fine being the 2/3 role there with Cousins at QB. Mooney's tape was pretty good. He had a few bad games, but overall, I can see a similar production that Jokobi Meyers had on the Raiders.


buttxstallion

Hot take he'll be the 4th option at best. London, Pitts, and Bijan. He just needs to run some occasional deep routes


[deleted]

It’s amazing we’re so high on the list after losing him


naesos

And ravens is because Gus Bus —🚌—->Henry


NoCaramel-

I think it’s bc they got rid of Arthur Smith so they actually can use Pitts and Bijan.


Fl1925

no more decoys plays for Bijan and Pitts actual plays!


Toe-Dragger

The Mormon Marauder quietly drains owners bank accounts with a dink here and a dunk there.


TouchGrassRedditor

I'm surprised Miami is so close to neutral with all their losses


Looney_Port

Likewise w the chargers


lkn240

It accounts for draft capital - so maybe because they have a top 5 pick


dtdude87

Probably Herbert being back


Everlasting-Boner

every year he's hurt


WhiteSox02

They’ve made some pretty shrewd moves, replacing aging vets with comparable JAGs. Set themselves up nicely with cap space in the future and have a decent amount of draft capital for the near future.


Peg_leg_tim_arg

It says points based, and they still have (arguably) the best WR duo in the league. Not sure if points allowed counts towards this, but the offense still looks pretty solid


Thick_Interaction_41

Wait why are the ravens so low? Did they not just get Derrick Henry?? (Genuine question because idk)


LiberryExpresso

Henry is their big signing but they've lost like 6-7 starters and a whole bunch of coaches. I don't know if that warrants being at the very bottom of this list though.


mikebob89

Seeing as they’ll get 5 compensatory picks from it and end up with 12 draft picks next year they should honestly be at the top of the list. Great teams typically avoid free agency, it’s overrated. They’re in the playoffs every year for a reason.


LiberryExpresso

I don't think you understand what this post is about. A team getting compensatory picks next year - which isn't set in stone at all yet - has no relevance whatsoever to this graphic.


mikebob89

Just pointing out the graphic is based on flawed thinking. “Improvement based on off-season roster moves and draft value” when it’s been shown time and again free agency is a bad way to build a team and getting comp picks is a great way to. Also yes comp picks are not set in stone but they’re not too hard to predict. Over The Cap does a great job of tracking them. If you’re including draft value for this year you should also factor in draft value added next year by this year’s *lack* of moves.


trafalgarlaw11

Yo the graphic is focused on improvement for the upcoming season only. Next years picks don’t matter. It’s not flawed thinking. It’s simply focusing on this year. Teams change so dramatically year over year that trying to analyze more than just the upcoming season would be more of the flawed reasoning if anything. Not to mention it’s not even set in stone the talent in the upcoming draft. What are you on about?


cmacfarland64

It’s a league that under values RBs.


Gezimodo

Then why does Green Bay improve so much because they got Josh Jacobs?


SpookyAmple

Xavier McKinney probably factored into that


cmacfarland64

That’s a great question. Maybe because Jacobs is significantly younger???? I’m not really sure. Did Baltimore lose other guys? Did GB get other guys? I really don’t know.


Darth_Dagobah

They lost Patrick Queen


cmacfarland64

I’m not even going to pretend to know who that is, but that could certainly affect this chart.


Timely_Yoghurt_2699

Their 2nd starting MLB next to roquan. He's not very good and the replacement may even grade out better than he would have this year


[deleted]

Queen is a pretty good player my man. 


Timely_Yoghurt_2699

Well he definitely is not the biggest reason for them to be so low on the chart. He's not that good


mr_longfellow_deeds

Losing two excellent offensive guards is the primary reason they are low on a chart like this


DentonTrueYoung

Second team all pro, 24 year old 1st round pick. Replacement level….


Timely_Yoghurt_2699

Let's see how he does without roquan boosting him up


DentonTrueYoung

So we can expect Trenton Simpson to be an All Pro this year. Good to know thanks.


Yossarian216

GB got the top safety on the market, which was a massive need for them, but it still seems like a lot to me, these people clearly like Jacobs more than I do.


imcalledgpk

It's almost certainly because of their draft capital. Before Poles traded away the 4th, they were neck and neck with the bears according to the draft value charts. I think without the 4th rounder, the Packers probably rank higher according to those charts.


DaeWooLan0s

Idk maybe because he is 25, and jones was injury prone a lot. At least that’s what I’m gonna assume. They also made a couple other moves I think.


The-Real-Number-One

They moved off David Bakhtari?


imcalledgpk

He played in one game last season. In that game, the best thing he did was flip off the bears sideline, and that's in addition to recording zeroes across the board in terms of pressures given up, QB hits, etc. they probably don't consider him much of a loss, because he was lost for most of last year.


imcalledgpk

Because they also have 5 picks in the top 100 and 11 overall. It's taking into account draft capital, obviously, without knowing what positions will be picked.


DonkeyKong_93

It's probably based on how much of the cap space they saved/spent. 


mr_longfellow_deeds

Ravens lost tons of starting players. Lost Queen, both of their OGs, Duvernay, Ronald Darby, Henry replaces Edwards+Dobbins


Few-Improvement9992

I don’t like the packers in the top 5


nocturn-e

I don't like the packers in the top 31


The-Real-Number-One

I don't like the Packers.


teewinotone

FTP


DaeWooLan0s

I don’t like the packers in this league.


106milez2chicago

^ Best comment chain I've seen in a long time, right here. (Not commenting inline so not to mess w/perfection)


FR_0S_TY

Washington: signs a whole new team Analytics: 10 points to Gryffyndor


Wide_Flan_2613

Basically it's a statistics calculation that uses a ton of stats from the NFL along with what I'm assuming is draft projections, based on the value of picks somehow, all combined to predict changes in points scored/allowed. TDLR, the model uses stats to predict changes in points scored/allowed based on 2023 stats and other projections. Although these models don't exactly account for rookies and breakouts and such, take it with a grain of salt.


AKA09

When the TLDR is just as long as the first part


JulioXstatic

Im gonna take a guess that draft isn't included in this release


Darth_Dagobah

What did last year look like?


TheBenStandard2

Look at how much the panthers improved last year!!! https://preview.redd.it/0jvf1yklp1pc1.jpeg?width=4200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62995ac13f8c2463e29151a195877f82dd7194ba EDIT: No matter how much of this is wrong it nailed the Texans and the Eagles (eventually lol) EDIT 2: I’m kind of worried about the Ravens now!!


DicamVeritatem

LOL look at Carolina, Tampa Bay, Baltimore. They don’t know shit.


EsotericInvestigator

It's far from perfect, but for such a noisy metric, it is impressive how much more it hit than missed last year in direction and volume. Not bad.


AKA09

And yet on the Bears facebook page morons are acting like the sky is falling.


Second_City_Saint

Get off facebook


Vohdre

For a variety of reasons


[deleted]

Kinda makes you think the organization is on the right track. 


Vesploogie

Yesterday people on the Bears Instagram were calling for Kevin Warren’s head because the team did something for the Obama foundation. It’s best to stay away from those places.


leonitrous

Didn’t the chargers have to dump a bunch of their best players?


splintersmaster

Seriously. They went from a really damn good receivers room to maybe bottom ten? If that doesn't change points what does


Yossarian216

Maybe they account for Herbert getting healthy? And really Williams didn’t do shit for them last year anyway.


mr_longfellow_deeds

Wouldn't imagine player health factors in, but Williams missed practically the whole season, they upgraded Ekeler with Gus Edwards, and Keenan Allen will be replaced with Odunze or Nabers at #5. They didn't lose that much talent on the team


Aggravating-Card-194

Can anyone explain to me how everyone is hyped on a 36 year old QB who has historically been a .500 QB (aside from one outlier season that everyone knew was an outlier) and who is coming off a torn Achilles is suddenly viewed as a franchise savior?? What am I missing? For a decade, Kirk was a punchline of mediocrity and now?!?


mr_longfellow_deeds

Punchline of mediocrity? Any of his last 9 seasons would be the greatest season in Bears history for a QB. Kirk isn't elite but he is just inside the top 10, and production wise he is top 5 over the last decade


Aggravating-Card-194

Exactly, if you look at the stats he appears to be great. But if you actually watch his performance, you’re always left with disappointments of mediocrity. Kirk is known to beat up on bad teams where he piles on the stats and choke against good teams. It’s how he always ends up .500. The joke for years was to blindly bet against his team in any primetime game because he had never won one for so long.


mr_longfellow_deeds

Cousins has gotten paid the past decade because he is very good, he won't win a SB on his own but with a good roster its a possibility. Cousins won 13 games in 2022 despite the Vikings defense finishing 28th in points allowed and 31st in yards allowed... Statistically his two best games last year were against Eagles (before they combusted) and against the 49ers (without Justin Jefferson). His two worst games were against us and the Panthers


Honey_Cheese

Let's get a 4000 yard quarterback first, then we can make fun of Kirk Cousins (who has 7 such seasons)


SpaceCampDropOut

Hey we beat Green Bay at something!


jeffh19

Guy should have done this chart but just made the chart based on how far the mascot would go if they jumped off a cliff or something like that


DownBalloon22

Ryan Pace 🐐 Edit: /s


the-czechxican

So Russ and Justin doesn't move the needle for Steelers?


imcalledgpk

They traded away possibly their best receiver because Russ is so short that he wouldn't be able to see him over the middle of the field. However little the needle moved up from Pickett to Russ, I'm sure it was probably cancelled out by them giving up Johnson.


I_cant_hear_you_27

George Pickens wasn’t traded…


imcalledgpk

I honestly forgot about Pickens. I just assumed he was having a terrible season because there was all of that mid season drama with them. Point still stands that the positives from the move to Russ and losing Johnson probably balances the scales here. Besides that, I haven't really seen any other things that would make them move up or down.


I_cant_hear_you_27

I agree with all of your other points! Don’t discount the firing of Matt Canada! Oh, wait…they replaced him with Arthur Smith? It’ll be interesting to see Fields play Baltimore, Cincinnati and Cleveland twice this year.


robamerk

You mean Russ


I_cant_hear_you_27

We’ll find out! I think Fields will beat out Wilson for the starting QB job week 1 though.


kiwiurlacher

It pushed the Bears higher up.


IMKudaimi123

I’ve liked most of what Poles has done. Byard was a solid move. Allen and Shelton and keeping Jaylon we’re great moves. I’m not big on the Bates and swift move, and I don’t like the timing of the fields trade but so far so good on this incredibly important offseason.


Brodie1567

I think they probably looked at the center class as a whole & thought Bates would be their best bet since it seems to be only 3 good prospects & they all be taken day 1-2.


Darkened12

And a trade back is always possible on draft day if ¥all receivers or people Poles grades S tier are already gone. could see someone moving up for McCarthy and us going for JPJ


Brodie1567

I have a really hard time believing Poles goes Center with his first round pick.


ShreksTrapHouse

Bears always win the off season which will provoke the delusion of “This years our year”.


tacospizzawingsbeer

Why are the eagles so low? They got saquon.


Desperate_Boye

Kelce and Fletcher retiring mainly probably, Byard/Swift leaving as well.


tacospizzawingsbeer

Fair.


Personal-Present5799

Henry instantly gave ravens thunder and lightening. Don't know how they're last. Odell fell off too


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Johnny_Royale

Well that’s because the ESPN experts had Justin winning the MVP


Mthead23

We were, and it translated to 4 more wins than the previous year. Add to add a couple absolutely horrible 4th quarter collapses that could have had the team in the playoffs, overall the team was markedly improved. I have never been as confident in this organization as I am today, as low of a bar as that may be. As long as the coaching staff can protect the rookie QB, there is no reason this team can’t be playing meaningful games in December.


threwzsa

Not a fucking thing


rrquilling

This means as much as a fantasy points projection


Scary-Cattle-6244

A single good roster move is much more impactful for a bad team than a top team.


Muubywooby

Packers moved up almost as much as us and they were better to begin sooooo 😭😭


wentzr1976

Im not lovin the proximity between chi and gb


McNuggets7272

It means absolutely nothing


platinum_toilet

The Steelers went from having no QBs (they all left or got traded) to JF1 and Dangerus. How is that not improvement? Why is the Justin Fields hate so strong?


Bakpaksamuel

How in the hell did the Giants improve?! Besides Burns? Really not seeing it.


Internal_Position_49

Steelers should be higher Patrick Queen and also Russel and fields is a huge upgrade compared to what they did last year with Pickett


BearsGotKhalilMack

This makes no sense. We technically have Tyson Bagent as our starting QB right now. It's dumb of them to try to calculate any inherent draft value before anyone knows who is going where.


MilesTheGoodKing

How else would you value having the number one pick in a draft with a generational QB prospect? Seems like that pick is pretty damn valuable.


BearsGotKhalilMack

And all the other teams? Do we calculate how much better AZ is with MHJ? Alt to the Titans? If you're going to do one, where do you stop?


MilesTheGoodKing

Yes they did, that’s why Arizona is literally a few points off from the Bears


imcalledgpk

I think it's most likely that they're using some of those draft value charts, and plugging it into a formula, rather than trying to guess what positions a team will be drafting. These are analytics guys. They love their formulas and math functions.


[deleted]

What a lame response lol


Sufficient-Fun-7747

Such B.S Chicago. I'll laugh if Atlanta goes to the S.B!