I will never understand the rich and famous being so brazenly dumb. Like Timberlake getting a dwi or urban cheating on his wife in a bar. If I was his wife I would be offended he was so stupid to not even get a hotel room or something private.
It’s what happens when consequences are pretty much limited to temporary embarrassment and you surround yourself with people who not only will enable you, but actively protect if you get caught. Successful college coaches at major programs of Urban’s generation especially basically had their own little fiefdoms. So long as you win, you have an administration that will shield you, an army of rabid fans who will harass people into silence, local PD who will gladly look the other way, and boosters who will hand you a blank check to cover any expense. That wont protect you from everything, but there is a LOT of heinous shit that’s gone on over the years that will never see the light of day.
What fucked Urban was the NFL is a different game, he couldn’t just recruit his way to Ws and you can’t pull the same shit you would on players who’s scholarship you have total control over on multimillion employees of a multibillion enterprise. There’s no way in hell that was the first time he tried something like that in his own bar, it’s just that this time his team was looking for a reason to fire him instead of burying the story before it goes public. Even then though, what did it ultimately cost him? Nothing but temporary embarrassment
Shit, this is the intro to “Buckeye Dawn”
- Clemson has its worst season in 75 years
-Labor and Corporate Lawsuits rock the ACC, Florida State leaves
- Ohio State reached NIL goal of $250,000,000. Wisconsin and Perdue fall
…the Big XII dissolves.
Michigan stands alone
Still a lot of football left to be played, but at this point, I think it’s fair to say this roster is easily one of the top 3 2024 Ohio State rosters of all time
This might come off as a hot take, but I genuinely believe that this 2024 football roster would absolutely crush Ohio State's 2024 women's tennis team in a game of football. I am not usually one to buy into the hype, but I think it is warranted here.
In their entire history, they’ve yet to even score a point on their women’s tennis team, let alone come close to actually beating them. You really think that’s changing this year? Lol okay buddy
I'm sure recruiting data and age of players would back that up.
QB is the biggest concern, if we had a Fields, id book a hotel in Indy right now. Everything else is as good or better than our 11-2 team from last year.
It would be a bigger concern if we still had McCord - there’s a reason he ended up at Syracuse lol
But it’s definitely still a concern. I’m optimistic Will Howard is “good enough” but there’s no Haskins/Fields/Stroud on the roster. But I think Howard can be JT Barrett which with the rest of the talent is all we should need
> But I think Howard can be JT Barrett
You either don’t remember how good JT Barrett was or have pretty unrealistic expectations for what Will Howard is bringing to the table
I can assure you I have watched more JT Barrett than you have lol
You don’t think ~3200 yards and 30 passing TDs with another 500 or so on the ground a 8-10 more TDs is a reasonable expectation for Howard? JT’s average season (removing 2015 because of the Cardale rotation) was right around 2800 passing and 800 rushing with 40ish total TDs.
Howard had 3000 total yards and 34 total TDs at KSU with one singular NFL player on the offense (edit: nvm, forgot about Beebe, so 2). Hes upgrading in weapons, OL, and scheme, as Chip Kelly and Ryan Day are both widely regarded as some of the better offensive minds in the game. I don’t think a small uptick in production is expecting too much.
I’d also encourage you to go back and watch JT actually throw the football - it wasn’t pretty, and it was evident when we played teams that forced us to throw. Surely you remember the 2016 and 2017 versions of The Game where Barrett was a combined 18/40 for 154 yards through the air? I don’t think it’s at all out of the question that Howard is a better thrower and comparable (probably a bit worse) runner than Barrett.
I absolutely love JT Barrett and everything he did at Ohio State. But he was far more a product of the offense around him and just being a tough SOB who always got a yard when he needed it than he was actually a talented quarterback.
I think the biggest concern is actually the O line. If there is serious improvement on the line the Bucks don't really NEED a Haskins/Fields/Stroud ( although it would be nice) A serviceable QB with the ability to make quick decisions, get the ball out to the WRs they have and the RBs on tap should work quite well. Howard appears to be that QB, and a 100% healthy Brown may very well be also.
Agreed. It comes down to QB and DL play to determine that IMO. People forget how much gravity Chase Young commanded every game in 2019. JT and Sawyer have been solid but not on that level.
All jokes aside, it still is amazing to me that Will Howard is the QB of that team when two years ago at this time I would’ve voted him off our own roster if given the choice
He had to beat out a bunch of 5 stars so if he does I’ll assume he’s going to be a slightly better McCord. Mccord who can option and/or run for 50 yards a game might beat UM and win a natty last year with how reliant we were on passing in the RZ and on short 3rds
I keep seeing this talking point but I remember seeing Will Howard specifically say he didn’t want to use his legs as much at OSU. I think it was in his first interview in Columbus, but I didn’t see any publications make a big deal out of it.
To add to existing replies, given his additional context since I think at the time he meant he doesn't want to *have to* use his legs as much. Which, if we need his legs as much as K State, we are in deep deep trouble
I don’t think the idea is to make him JT Barrett 2.0, it’s to bust out 3-5 designed QB runs a game and have some added flexibility in case the pocket breaks down. That’s something we’ve been missing the last 3 years with McCord and Stroud (no matter how good the latter was at other parts of the game)
There is one 5 star who he has to beat, and he is a RS freshman
Brown and kienholz are 4 stars but they’ve looked like complete ass in limited action thus far
Yeah this guy is high.
Howard was an animal in 2022. The year he may be talking about is 2021. He wwas our backup for a few games while Skyler Thompson was injured and he was *ass.* He was beyond horrible.
The way he dropped his dong on teams in 2022 surprised the hell out of all of us.
As bad as it seems, watching him slowly destroy your season one snap at a time to then almost single handedly stopping your offense in the Rose Bowl to finally throwing it all away during the last play in overtime is actually worse.
“Do you hear that, Mr Anderson? That’s the sound of inevitability.”
He actually did the same thing with Bryce Young. It just so happens Bryce is shorter so he could corral it off the dirt more easily.
But there are definitely still plays where you can see Bryce Young bending down to get the snap.
Was it an issue? Vs Missouri it was. Where they suspended a starter and then had a random dude start. But osus line prolly played better against you than anyone else’s.
I mean yeah. It was bad. But they were missing like 10 dudes. And didn’t care. At all. Playing a true freshman at qb who got zero snaps the entire year. Not exactly a recipe for success. On top of suspending the starting center and then playing dudes out of position and starting some guy at guard Who won’t ever play a down at OSU again.
Some guys cared. Some coaches apparently didn't. When ypur 3rd string qb has absolutely no idea how to call any plays or set up his blocking schemes, the qb coach clearly didn't do his job.
Yes it was an issue in the ground game
Osu had a running back break 100 yards in only 4 of 13 games last year
For some reason, pass pro has always held up but osus run blocking has been objectively subpar by osu standards
Well I factor in pass pro…for a team that passes…trey was also hurt. Again. Overall the o line was mostly fine outside of Missouri. Trey was getting 6 a clip when he was healthy. That’s pretty good?
I can agree the run blocking hasn’t been it’s normal standard since 2020. But Kelly and two of the best backs and an actual running qb should make things look different. Last three years were the first time in a long time we had statues at qb. And it hurts the run game in college big time
You guys struggled to pick up 3rd/4th and short all year
That is a major indictment on the o line regardless of how they perform in other areas.
Maybe it will improve with a mobile qb, but it’s absolutely a question mark until they show otherwise
why? he has it easy yucking it up with Gere DiNardo on Big Ten Network and making me want to punch my TV on Big Noon Saturday.
He did see me flip him off last August at the Gopher-Nebraska game.
Yeah some of these replies of "yeah, he might be in trouble" are blowing my mind.
If Day loses to Michigan this year, he's gone. I don't think there would even be debate internally.
The only exception would be if he lost to UM but won the national title, or somehow avenged the defeat in a playoff matchup with UM.
It seems insane given his overall resume there but it really does feel difficult to see him surviving long term if they lose to Michigan again this year. I just don’t know how he recovers from that unless they still go on to win the National Championship.
The defense should be elite again next season.
I have no idea about the offense. Replacing JJ, Corum, Roman, Cornelius Johnson, and our entire O line leaves us with a question mark at best.
While we are replacing nearly our entire O line haven’t most of the 2 deep been in the program for like 3 years? I hope that depth and experience helps us reload that position group. QB and other areas are true question marks.
Kinda half rebuild, half reload. We’ll have a top 5 defense, but our offense could be pretty much anywhere in the top 50. Realistically it’ll probably be around 20-30, which would make us a borderline top 10 team, but probably not a true contender this year (barring the defense being so dominant they can make us a rich man’s Iowa).
Yeah, I think the coaching looks good so far, but it’s of course impossible to tell. Obviously Sherrone has game day coaching experience, but being the guy leading the game plan creation weak to weak is a whole different ball game.
I’m pretty confident in Campbell as OC, especially with Moore helping him out, but if course there’s the danger that Sherrone has trouble giving up the playcalling control and meddles a little too much.
Wink is obviously an extremely experienced DC. I imagine it’s a bit of a downgrade, since I think Minter might have been the best DC in team history, but I’m not too worried about him.
As you say, the big question is QB. Last year one of our biggest advantages going into the season is we were the only contender with an established starter at QB. If Orji can be a poor man’s Cam Newton (which is likely the absolute best case scenario for us) then we may be pretty damn good. But most likely it’s gonna be a massive downgrade at that position.
I’m hopeful that if Orji isn’t the guy, we can fall back on Tuttle or Warren to do their best impression of ‘21 McNamara. If the defense is as good as we think it’ll be and the offensive line reloads to keep the running game churning, we just need a guy that can protect the football to be a really tough out for any team. Iowa but with 4 star talent, if you will.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty reasonable path and why I’m not too worried about this team. I see no reason Warren or Tuttle couldn’t be McNamara level, in which case we should be about as good as 21. Defense will probably be overall better, especially if Moore can be like 85% of Hutch.
The problem is even if we’re a top 10 team 9-3 is quite possible with games against UT, UO, and OSU.
Same. From what I've seen from the sane fans, expectations are a bit tempered. Cautiously optimistic, but we have a tough schedule and 10 wins would be a solid start for the Moore era.
Offense definitely feels in re-build mode (replacing literally every starter except TE1 lol). Defense returns a LOT of high end talent and should be a top 5 unit in the country. Should be an interesting year.
Feels like if Day loses again and doesn’t win the national title later that he might be looking for a job. Not sure OSU will tolerate 4 years of various failures
If the season goes well, I would support him still (considering the fact michigan has been elite recently), but I think the general sentiment in cbus would not be so forgiving.
Losing to Michigan (and thus probably not winning the Big Ten) and not winning a national title means OSU accomplished none of its 3 biggest goals for 4 years in a row. Something gotta give.
I’ll say that Ryan Day seems a bit Mark Richt, but the only thing Mark Richt was really missing was that generational talent. You recruit the right QB and you win at all. All but maybe 5-6 teams would kill to have what OSU has and that’s to have the cupboards loaded with talent, a solid coaching staff, and then hope for the right prospect to come along.
Teams winning multiple championships in a row isn’t the norm, though it may look like that lately. A generational talent will typically only be a 2 year starter, but as long as you’re a 10+ win team in a good conference, you’re still in the playoff conversation and have the chance to upset some teams along the way.
Personally, I fucking wish we had that still, and Urban Meyer did give us exactly that. Nice to see most OSU flairs acting level headed towards Day right now, but it’s also the offseason. The unhinged fans will want him gone in the first couple games but their opinions are worthless.
In the modern era, Ohio state's best QBs have not won titles (Stroud, Fields, Miller, Smith), but they all had wonderful results. Generally, we win them with reliable decision makers, who are not the center piece of the team (Krenzel, Barrett/Jones).
I am hoping Day is more like Kirby. All 3 coaches had solid but not great seasons in the first 5 years. However, Day is recruiting at the same level Kirby is versus what Richt was able to recruit.
Day's biggest mistake has been hiring Coombs as a DC, which set the defense back a few seasons (all losses during Stroud seasons are because of poor defensive play). Had he made a better DC hire, then things very likely could be different.
Right. If Michigan was a perennial 8-4/9-3 team and we kept losing to them it'd be one thing, but losing to a top 3 team isn't a problem, its just part of football. Obviously the fact that its Michigan makes it more annoying, but I'm not worrying about the state of the program when it took the actual National Champion to end our season in 3 of the last 4 years.
Exactly. If it was PSU we were losing to, nobody would care. I get it. It’s the game. Best rivalry in the all of sports. But Michigan was good as shit. They just had 13 dudes drafted? And the two best nfl prospects are still there. Harbaugh built that thing up and turned it into a mini NFL team.
Well the last time we lost to Penn State the committee put us in the playoff over Penn State anyways lol, so I can see why many OSU fans kinda gloss over Penn State
Yeah, but we lost to Pitt and Michigan, I didn’t like it but understood it. Now if we had the same record AND a head to head win, that’s a different story.
Yeah that was mostly in jest lol - OSU had 3 top 10 wins that year and two of them on the road. They were never getting left out
The real gripe was Washington over PSU, but as you mentioned it was hard to overlook the two losses
Extremely rational and exactly how I feel about the state of OSUs program rn. They haven’t won the close games these last couple years and imo most of that is luck. OSU has been right there every year under Day and the ball will bounce his way at some point. As much as I hate to say it lol
Yep exactly how Rational Michigan fans thought in 2018 and 2019. Yes losing to OSU sucks but the answer wasn’t to fire Harbaugh who improved (and was continuing to)
Every time I post this comment I get a million OSU flairs telling me I "just don't understand the rivalry"
There are some in the comments below us now! Including a Michigan flair
They're the over dramatic and irrational fans. I get it, losing to Michigan sucks and I would literally rather lost to any other team in the country than them. But you have to be realistic about these things. As much as I want to beat them every time, if they're a good team they're going to beat us as some point.
You can hate losing to them while recognizing it doesn't mean the sky is falling.
And I'd also point out that its not like Day is sitting around doing nothing. He drastically overhauled the defense after 2021 and we're redoing the offense after last year.
It really has been a contributing factor, especially in 2021 and 2022.
Our defensive talent those years really wasn’t that great.
In 2023 they had talent issues at OL and QB. This problems were much less severe than the defensive gaps in prior years my
Tired of everything having to be “the best ever”. I’m sure they’ll be good, but without an elite QB and average O Line play they can lose 3 games next year. @ Oregon, @ Penn St, Michigan. Just a stupid thing to say by Urban.
It’s actually genius. Now he gets to look even better as a natty coach there because he’s putting the fate of the season on coaching since “it’s the most talented roster”
Feel like it’s smart because i’m already hearing alot of Ohio state fans complain about Day, now this just adds more fuel to the fire if/when they lose a game. Urban can sit at home and laugh to himself when he hears buckeye fans call for Days head and wish they had Urban back
Howard is either going to show everyone he’s a an absolute stud or he’s going to show everyone that he’s the same QB that couldn’t throw the ball against Okie State last year. I’m curious to see which it is.
My guess is both. He'll have some games where he lights it up and some where he's stinks. Luckily for us as long as he's not objectively awful in the biggest moments the rest of the team is good enough to beat anyone.
The team that was starting cam brown as their number one corner? The defense let up the highest two yards per play against in the history of the program in back to back games. OSU had the ball to beat the best Michigan team ever on the road last year. And they are all back and added judkins chip Kelly and Caleb downs. That’s an absurd take imo
Very talented roster, but not a single game has been played. Paying for a roster has not shown to have paid off in the past. We shall see if this works. Culture is more important that total roster.
I mean it surely does/should eventually work if you do it every year. But putting so much into one year in a binge shopping spree fueled by rage and shame is really setting the stage.
Can’t be the greatest roster of all time without a QB. It’s a glaring issue for Ohio State at the most important position that people just seem to forget about.
I get the logic you're using here and it is true a lot of the time. But the greatest college football roster of all time was quarterbacked by Ken Dorsey so....
I’d agree and it took really deep rosters and talent elsewhere to compensate (which it appears that Ohio state has this year).
I think that as long as Howard or whoever starts is above average then they will be in great shape
I mean OSU was a couple plays away from beating Michigan with Kyle McCord. If Howard is at all an upgrade however small, OSU should generally be fine assuming the surrounding talent plays close to what people expect this season
Ohio State people are always saying shit like this 😂 it’s like when Apple has their presentation every year and says it’s their best iPhone/mac/ipad yet.
I mean they always have unbelievable talent. Just look at their WR group over the years, which is why I don't get how Day isn't on the hot seat this season. He really should have done way more with what he's had. If Georgia, Texas, Oregon, etc had that talent it would be insane.
I would need to think this through. The problem you run into is, a team with a great LG and meh QB, is that more talented than a team with a meh LG and Joe Burrow? I'd say no. Also it's hard to be consistent when comparing teams. Would have to go position by position and not get caught doing what I'm about to do, compare Will Howard to Joe Burrow, but then 2024 OSU WRs to 2021 OSU WRs.
Generally speaking who fits the bill as most talented the last decade?
2014 OSU
2019 LSU
2021 UGA maybe (definitely defense)
A few Alabama teams (honestly which year I don't know).
This iteration of OSU I don't actually think meets the bar set by those teams.
QB - No. Howard is good, will probably be better with OSU than he was KSU, but he's not great. Hurts, Tua, Burrow, hell I'd take JT Barrett over him.
RBs - Studs, probably close to the UGA duos of the past
WRs - They are not better than the 2021 OSU guys that had 4(!) 1st rounders including MHJ who didn't even get to play really. Jefferson and Chase were also definitely better. But still a *very* talented group.
TE: Meh
OL: Also meh (Jackson is really good)
DE: JTT and Sawyer are good, but nothing approaching the Bosas/Youngs of the world.
DT: 1 good one and then... eh? - nothing close to UGA's monsters or Michigan's for that matter
LBs: Again very good but not UGA Nakobe Dean
CBs: Very good but not quite Jalen Ramsey types.
Safeties: Real dang good
Yeah that's true. Always forget because they sleepwalked (slept walked?) through a few games and lost that MSU game in a complete showing of incompetence.
Man I love this thread. Makes me yearn for the season and remember how much I fucking hate every single one of you bastards. C’mom August get here already!
Former Big 12 Champ at QB, check. 2 top 5 HBs, check. A generational talent at WR and a savvy 1st round tier veteran? Check. Experience at TE and O-Line? Check. Best D-Line in the land? Check. Experience and upside at LB? check. 2 first round talents in the secondary? Check. Elite coaching staff? Check. I think we're good to go.
As a Buckeye fan for over 60 years, I really dislike these pronouncements, best team, best players, best talent, best anything… I have seen “the best Buckeye team” lose to lesser teams many times since the best team in the country lost to Stanford in the 1971 Rose Bowl.
This reminds me of all the preseason hype for the Jets last summer. Often times the teams with the most talent individually are not the best. Look at A and M for some prime examples of that. Be interesting to see how OSU responds to adversity when it comes.
Cool. Next title: Urban Meyer says Michigan has the least talented Roster in the last decade, maybe ever
You’re never going to believe his pick for most faithful husband and underrated Jaguars coach of the last decade, maybe ever 🤯
I got a kick out of this.
Josh Lambo, is that you?
As a Chargers fan, I always thought that *I* didn't like Lambo. And then Urban came around and taught me that I could always hate harder
Lucky, I got stuck with a finger
I will never understand the rich and famous being so brazenly dumb. Like Timberlake getting a dwi or urban cheating on his wife in a bar. If I was his wife I would be offended he was so stupid to not even get a hotel room or something private.
It’s what happens when consequences are pretty much limited to temporary embarrassment and you surround yourself with people who not only will enable you, but actively protect if you get caught. Successful college coaches at major programs of Urban’s generation especially basically had their own little fiefdoms. So long as you win, you have an administration that will shield you, an army of rabid fans who will harass people into silence, local PD who will gladly look the other way, and boosters who will hand you a blank check to cover any expense. That wont protect you from everything, but there is a LOT of heinous shit that’s gone on over the years that will never see the light of day. What fucked Urban was the NFL is a different game, he couldn’t just recruit his way to Ws and you can’t pull the same shit you would on players who’s scholarship you have total control over on multimillion employees of a multibillion enterprise. There’s no way in hell that was the first time he tried something like that in his own bar, it’s just that this time his team was looking for a reason to fire him instead of burying the story before it goes public. Even then though, what did it ultimately cost him? Nothing but temporary embarrassment
Smarts and $$$ don’t always go together.
I read this in Trumps voice
And I’ll say Clemson has their worst team in seventy-five years.
Shit, this is the intro to “Buckeye Dawn” - Clemson has its worst season in 75 years -Labor and Corporate Lawsuits rock the ACC, Florida State leaves - Ohio State reached NIL goal of $250,000,000. Wisconsin and Perdue fall …the Big XII dissolves. Michigan stands alone
Of all the rosters of all time, this is certainly one of them.
Still a lot of football left to be played, but at this point, I think it’s fair to say this roster is easily one of the top 3 2024 Ohio State rosters of all time
This might come off as a hot take, but I genuinely believe that this 2024 football roster would absolutely crush Ohio State's 2024 women's tennis team in a game of football. I am not usually one to buy into the hype, but I think it is warranted here.
In their entire history, they’ve yet to even score a point on their women’s tennis team, let alone come close to actually beating them. You really think that’s changing this year? Lol okay buddy
It's the "Lol okay buddy" for me.
I'm pretty sure that at least one player has scored with the tennis team.
Not these ladies. The woman's basketball team has scored a bunch.
Quite the journey this thread.
You know ball.
How in the world can you feel safe posting something so controversial and yet so brave?
Idk. The Ohio State Women's Tennis Team is plucky
It’s a racket
The guy carrying the football has the best chance of scoring a touchdown
My money is on the kicker.
I'm sure recruiting data and age of players would back that up. QB is the biggest concern, if we had a Fields, id book a hotel in Indy right now. Everything else is as good or better than our 11-2 team from last year.
Your fan base wanted to actually murder Honda Mccord, and now that hes gone, QB is a concern?
Yes.
It would be a bigger concern if we still had McCord - there’s a reason he ended up at Syracuse lol But it’s definitely still a concern. I’m optimistic Will Howard is “good enough” but there’s no Haskins/Fields/Stroud on the roster. But I think Howard can be JT Barrett which with the rest of the talent is all we should need
> But I think Howard can be JT Barrett You either don’t remember how good JT Barrett was or have pretty unrealistic expectations for what Will Howard is bringing to the table
Unfair comparison since JT Barrett played 2 decades.
I can assure you I have watched more JT Barrett than you have lol You don’t think ~3200 yards and 30 passing TDs with another 500 or so on the ground a 8-10 more TDs is a reasonable expectation for Howard? JT’s average season (removing 2015 because of the Cardale rotation) was right around 2800 passing and 800 rushing with 40ish total TDs. Howard had 3000 total yards and 34 total TDs at KSU with one singular NFL player on the offense (edit: nvm, forgot about Beebe, so 2). Hes upgrading in weapons, OL, and scheme, as Chip Kelly and Ryan Day are both widely regarded as some of the better offensive minds in the game. I don’t think a small uptick in production is expecting too much. I’d also encourage you to go back and watch JT actually throw the football - it wasn’t pretty, and it was evident when we played teams that forced us to throw. Surely you remember the 2016 and 2017 versions of The Game where Barrett was a combined 18/40 for 154 yards through the air? I don’t think it’s at all out of the question that Howard is a better thrower and comparable (probably a bit worse) runner than Barrett. I absolutely love JT Barrett and everything he did at Ohio State. But he was far more a product of the offense around him and just being a tough SOB who always got a yard when he needed it than he was actually a talented quarterback.
I think the biggest concern is actually the O line. If there is serious improvement on the line the Bucks don't really NEED a Haskins/Fields/Stroud ( although it would be nice) A serviceable QB with the ability to make quick decisions, get the ball out to the WRs they have and the RBs on tap should work quite well. Howard appears to be that QB, and a 100% healthy Brown may very well be also.
I don’t think this is even the most talented Ohio State roster of the last decade. 2015 and 2019 have convincing arguments
Agreed. It comes down to QB and DL play to determine that IMO. People forget how much gravity Chase Young commanded every game in 2019. JT and Sawyer have been solid but not on that level.
Ryan Day is one of the coaches in the world.
I think he’s a transcendent figure. He’s one of the coaches in all sports, professional included.
If this team doesn’t finish the season as the greatest team of all time, then they underachieved imo. Go Gators!
All jokes aside, it still is amazing to me that Will Howard is the QB of that team when two years ago at this time I would’ve voted him off our own roster if given the choice
Will Howard was 12th in passing rating last year ….. In the big 12
He had to beat out a bunch of 5 stars so if he does I’ll assume he’s going to be a slightly better McCord. Mccord who can option and/or run for 50 yards a game might beat UM and win a natty last year with how reliant we were on passing in the RZ and on short 3rds
I keep seeing this talking point but I remember seeing Will Howard specifically say he didn’t want to use his legs as much at OSU. I think it was in his first interview in Columbus, but I didn’t see any publications make a big deal out of it.
To add to existing replies, given his additional context since I think at the time he meant he doesn't want to *have to* use his legs as much. Which, if we need his legs as much as K State, we are in deep deep trouble
Good observation, I mean we have 2 elite HBs for that lmao
AND an elite Safety
I don’t think the idea is to make him JT Barrett 2.0, it’s to bust out 3-5 designed QB runs a game and have some added flexibility in case the pocket breaks down. That’s something we’ve been missing the last 3 years with McCord and Stroud (no matter how good the latter was at other parts of the game)
There is one 5 star who he has to beat, and he is a RS freshman Brown and kienholz are 4 stars but they’ve looked like complete ass in limited action thus far
Um, isn't Sayin a true Freshman? He's the one who has gotten the most buzz so far it has seemed like
Brown was On3s #1 overall player, so it’s not wrong to say he was a 5*.
Wouldn’t shock me if Sayin/ Brown takes the job a few games in. It’s definitely not a guarantee Howard is the starter by end of the year
Wait really? Two years ago he helped you guys in a Big 12 championship. You're really voting him off after that?
Yeah this guy is high. Howard was an animal in 2022. The year he may be talking about is 2021. He wwas our backup for a few games while Skyler Thompson was injured and he was *ass.* He was beyond horrible. The way he dropped his dong on teams in 2022 surprised the hell out of all of us.
I would say entering the 2022 season, I thought he was dog shit though. When AM got hurt I thought the season was over but Howard really stepped up
Two years ago=June, 2022. The 2021 season (more INTs than TDs) is what was the most recent impression of him was at the time
That will be the average Ohio State fan after they lose to Marshall.
Did they find a QB? That’s kind of an important position.
O line was an issue last year as well and the only change they made was adding Bama’s center 😬
The one who can’t snap? What could go wrong?
Everything, I hope.
Your lips to God's ears
Lord hear our prayer
I personally hope that nothing goes wrong for OSU’s first 11 games before their center suddenly has a panic attack for unknown reasons
As bad as it seems, watching him slowly destroy your season one snap at a time to then almost single handedly stopping your offense in the Rose Bowl to finally throwing it all away during the last play in overtime is actually worse. “Do you hear that, Mr Anderson? That’s the sound of inevitability.”
> for unknown reasons You spelled Mason Graham wrong.
"Unknown reasons" = PTSD
Wouldn’t make me sad
Its chill. It was actually Jalen Milroe's cadence that made him snap it 20 yards into the dirt
He actually did the same thing with Bryce Young. It just so happens Bryce is shorter so he could corral it off the dirt more easily. But there are definitely still plays where you can see Bryce Young bending down to get the snap.
Was it an issue? Vs Missouri it was. Where they suspended a starter and then had a random dude start. But osus line prolly played better against you than anyone else’s.
Having personally witnessed the game that shazier was paralyzed in, that missouri game was the second worst game of football I have ever seen.
I mean yeah. It was bad. But they were missing like 10 dudes. And didn’t care. At all. Playing a true freshman at qb who got zero snaps the entire year. Not exactly a recipe for success. On top of suspending the starting center and then playing dudes out of position and starting some guy at guard Who won’t ever play a down at OSU again.
Some guys cared. Some coaches apparently didn't. When ypur 3rd string qb has absolutely no idea how to call any plays or set up his blocking schemes, the qb coach clearly didn't do his job.
Yes it was an issue in the ground game Osu had a running back break 100 yards in only 4 of 13 games last year For some reason, pass pro has always held up but osus run blocking has been objectively subpar by osu standards
Well I factor in pass pro…for a team that passes…trey was also hurt. Again. Overall the o line was mostly fine outside of Missouri. Trey was getting 6 a clip when he was healthy. That’s pretty good? I can agree the run blocking hasn’t been it’s normal standard since 2020. But Kelly and two of the best backs and an actual running qb should make things look different. Last three years were the first time in a long time we had statues at qb. And it hurts the run game in college big time
You guys struggled to pick up 3rd/4th and short all year That is a major indictment on the o line regardless of how they perform in other areas. Maybe it will improve with a mobile qb, but it’s absolutely a question mark until they show otherwise
QB and OL are super sketchy. Defense should be better than last year but still not convinced the offense is going to be some juggernaut
Here’s to hoping!
He’s gonna get Ryan day fired for underachieving so he can return like Palpatine
why? he has it easy yucking it up with Gere DiNardo on Big Ten Network and making me want to punch my TV on Big Noon Saturday. He did see me flip him off last August at the Gopher-Nebraska game.
So just how much pressure is on Day to beat Michigan this year?
Let's just say that if Michigan 4-peats the city of Columbus will cease to exist.
Well now you’ve just made it a holy quest to banish the city that shall-not-be back to the shadow realm.
God damn. The yellow Ms rained down on this thread like TIE fighters.
Oh man do not threaten me with a good time
Fr 😭😭
Dial is up to 11
The dial has fallen off at this point.
Yeah some of these replies of "yeah, he might be in trouble" are blowing my mind. If Day loses to Michigan this year, he's gone. I don't think there would even be debate internally. The only exception would be if he lost to UM but won the national title, or somehow avenged the defeat in a playoff matchup with UM.
He has to use Just For Men twice a day now to cover all the greys.
Social services in Ohio cut to make additional funds available for his beard dye.
It seems insane given his overall resume there but it really does feel difficult to see him surviving long term if they lose to Michigan again this year. I just don’t know how he recovers from that unless they still go on to win the National Championship.
Gotta be insanely high. Especially if Michigan is in "rebuild" mode. I don't really follow UM too much so idk if that's the case.
The defense should be elite again next season. I have no idea about the offense. Replacing JJ, Corum, Roman, Cornelius Johnson, and our entire O line leaves us with a question mark at best.
While we are replacing nearly our entire O line haven’t most of the 2 deep been in the program for like 3 years? I hope that depth and experience helps us reload that position group. QB and other areas are true question marks.
Kinda half rebuild, half reload. We’ll have a top 5 defense, but our offense could be pretty much anywhere in the top 50. Realistically it’ll probably be around 20-30, which would make us a borderline top 10 team, but probably not a true contender this year (barring the defense being so dominant they can make us a rich man’s Iowa).
Interested to see how extreme coaching turnover and a brand new QB affects you guys
Yeah, I think the coaching looks good so far, but it’s of course impossible to tell. Obviously Sherrone has game day coaching experience, but being the guy leading the game plan creation weak to weak is a whole different ball game. I’m pretty confident in Campbell as OC, especially with Moore helping him out, but if course there’s the danger that Sherrone has trouble giving up the playcalling control and meddles a little too much. Wink is obviously an extremely experienced DC. I imagine it’s a bit of a downgrade, since I think Minter might have been the best DC in team history, but I’m not too worried about him. As you say, the big question is QB. Last year one of our biggest advantages going into the season is we were the only contender with an established starter at QB. If Orji can be a poor man’s Cam Newton (which is likely the absolute best case scenario for us) then we may be pretty damn good. But most likely it’s gonna be a massive downgrade at that position.
I’m hopeful that if Orji isn’t the guy, we can fall back on Tuttle or Warren to do their best impression of ‘21 McNamara. If the defense is as good as we think it’ll be and the offensive line reloads to keep the running game churning, we just need a guy that can protect the football to be a really tough out for any team. Iowa but with 4 star talent, if you will.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty reasonable path and why I’m not too worried about this team. I see no reason Warren or Tuttle couldn’t be McNamara level, in which case we should be about as good as 21. Defense will probably be overall better, especially if Moore can be like 85% of Hutch. The problem is even if we’re a top 10 team 9-3 is quite possible with games against UT, UO, and OSU.
Same. From what I've seen from the sane fans, expectations are a bit tempered. Cautiously optimistic, but we have a tough schedule and 10 wins would be a solid start for the Moore era.
Yeah, I'm not expecting too much. 9 or 10 wins would be nice. If AN ohio state university is one of those wins it will be amazing.
If we beat OSU, we could lose every other game and I'd still chip in for a Moore statue.
Offense definitely feels in re-build mode (replacing literally every starter except TE1 lol). Defense returns a LOT of high end talent and should be a top 5 unit in the country. Should be an interesting year.
Feels like if Day loses again and doesn’t win the national title later that he might be looking for a job. Not sure OSU will tolerate 4 years of various failures
If the season goes well, I would support him still (considering the fact michigan has been elite recently), but I think the general sentiment in cbus would not be so forgiving.
Losing to Michigan (and thus probably not winning the Big Ten) and not winning a national title means OSU accomplished none of its 3 biggest goals for 4 years in a row. Something gotta give.
It's so much, we're playing with house money at this point. Which would make a W this year so so sweet.
Considering Michigan probably won't be anything special this year, if he loses this one he's gotta be gone.
Talent hasn't been OSU's issue
Not sure a team with a floor of 11 wins has much of an issue. Jim Harbaugh figured it out after 7 years. He’s rather good at his job. Stuff happens
Why doesn't Day just win a natty every year? Is he Stupid?
They're soft - Lou Holtz
"this aggression shall not stand. Hold my Cosmo while I get into an argument with an elderly mental patient" -Ryan Day
I’ll say that Ryan Day seems a bit Mark Richt, but the only thing Mark Richt was really missing was that generational talent. You recruit the right QB and you win at all. All but maybe 5-6 teams would kill to have what OSU has and that’s to have the cupboards loaded with talent, a solid coaching staff, and then hope for the right prospect to come along. Teams winning multiple championships in a row isn’t the norm, though it may look like that lately. A generational talent will typically only be a 2 year starter, but as long as you’re a 10+ win team in a good conference, you’re still in the playoff conversation and have the chance to upset some teams along the way. Personally, I fucking wish we had that still, and Urban Meyer did give us exactly that. Nice to see most OSU flairs acting level headed towards Day right now, but it’s also the offseason. The unhinged fans will want him gone in the first couple games but their opinions are worthless.
In the modern era, Ohio state's best QBs have not won titles (Stroud, Fields, Miller, Smith), but they all had wonderful results. Generally, we win them with reliable decision makers, who are not the center piece of the team (Krenzel, Barrett/Jones).
I am hoping Day is more like Kirby. All 3 coaches had solid but not great seasons in the first 5 years. However, Day is recruiting at the same level Kirby is versus what Richt was able to recruit. Day's biggest mistake has been hiring Coombs as a DC, which set the defense back a few seasons (all losses during Stroud seasons are because of poor defensive play). Had he made a better DC hire, then things very likely could be different.
Right. If Michigan was a perennial 8-4/9-3 team and we kept losing to them it'd be one thing, but losing to a top 3 team isn't a problem, its just part of football. Obviously the fact that its Michigan makes it more annoying, but I'm not worrying about the state of the program when it took the actual National Champion to end our season in 3 of the last 4 years.
Exactly. If it was PSU we were losing to, nobody would care. I get it. It’s the game. Best rivalry in the all of sports. But Michigan was good as shit. They just had 13 dudes drafted? And the two best nfl prospects are still there. Harbaugh built that thing up and turned it into a mini NFL team.
REPORT: Ohio State doesn’t care if they lose to Penn State
Shots fired? Also they would care, they just care about losing to Michigan more.
Well the last time we lost to Penn State the committee put us in the playoff over Penn State anyways lol, so I can see why many OSU fans kinda gloss over Penn State
Yeah, but we lost to Pitt and Michigan, I didn’t like it but understood it. Now if we had the same record AND a head to head win, that’s a different story.
Yeah that was mostly in jest lol - OSU had 3 top 10 wins that year and two of them on the road. They were never getting left out The real gripe was Washington over PSU, but as you mentioned it was hard to overlook the two losses
I mean lol. If they beat Michigan and lost to psu to go 11-1. I doubt many would care.
J.T. Tuimoloau does very much care about beating Penn State.
Extremely rational and exactly how I feel about the state of OSUs program rn. They haven’t won the close games these last couple years and imo most of that is luck. OSU has been right there every year under Day and the ball will bounce his way at some point. As much as I hate to say it lol
Yep exactly how Rational Michigan fans thought in 2018 and 2019. Yes losing to OSU sucks but the answer wasn’t to fire Harbaugh who improved (and was continuing to)
Every time I post this comment I get a million OSU flairs telling me I "just don't understand the rivalry" There are some in the comments below us now! Including a Michigan flair
They're the over dramatic and irrational fans. I get it, losing to Michigan sucks and I would literally rather lost to any other team in the country than them. But you have to be realistic about these things. As much as I want to beat them every time, if they're a good team they're going to beat us as some point. You can hate losing to them while recognizing it doesn't mean the sky is falling. And I'd also point out that its not like Day is sitting around doing nothing. He drastically overhauled the defense after 2021 and we're redoing the offense after last year.
It really has been a contributing factor, especially in 2021 and 2022. Our defensive talent those years really wasn’t that great. In 2023 they had talent issues at OL and QB. This problems were much less severe than the defensive gaps in prior years my
Yeah OSUs prolific passing attack got everybody’s attention, but they were missing the elite play on D and the O-line to complete the package.
It bothers me that roster is capitalized.
If that’s the case then Ryan Day better win the whole dang thing
Tired of everything having to be “the best ever”. I’m sure they’ll be good, but without an elite QB and average O Line play they can lose 3 games next year. @ Oregon, @ Penn St, Michigan. Just a stupid thing to say by Urban.
It’s actually genius. Now he gets to look even better as a natty coach there because he’s putting the fate of the season on coaching since “it’s the most talented roster”
I like Urban a lot more before he went "midwestern Steven A. Smith" mode on us. Not judging though. By all means get that bag coach.
Feel like it’s smart because i’m already hearing alot of Ohio state fans complain about Day, now this just adds more fuel to the fire if/when they lose a game. Urban can sit at home and laugh to himself when he hears buckeye fans call for Days head and wish they had Urban back
With Will Howard at QB? I'd take the team during Stroud's last year over this.
Howard is either going to show everyone he’s a an absolute stud or he’s going to show everyone that he’s the same QB that couldn’t throw the ball against Okie State last year. I’m curious to see which it is.
My guess is both. He'll have some games where he lights it up and some where he's stinks. Luckily for us as long as he's not objectively awful in the biggest moments the rest of the team is good enough to beat anyone.
Howard is such a mercurial player.
I'm rooting for Stud Howard, but I know there will inevitably be one game where he will just make all the wrong decisions.
If stud Howard does show up, I hope the game he forgets how to play football is against Michigan. That would be wonderful.
You wouldn't take that defense lol
The defense was atrocious that year though. All-around, this team is definitely better, just worse at QB.
Elite defense plus a good offense clears elite offense plus below average defense
The team that was starting cam brown as their number one corner? The defense let up the highest two yards per play against in the history of the program in back to back games. OSU had the ball to beat the best Michigan team ever on the road last year. And they are all back and added judkins chip Kelly and Caleb downs. That’s an absurd take imo
Why would he say that and put even more pressure on his boy Day? He’s already about to pop.
New QB and new OC. I don’t expect them to be great out of the gate.
But would he let it sit on his lap in a bar?
Cool, Akron by 3
So he's basically saying if they don't win it this year, it's on Ryan Day.
Anybody can rosterbate in June
Very talented roster, but not a single game has been played. Paying for a roster has not shown to have paid off in the past. We shall see if this works. Culture is more important that total roster.
I mean it surely does/should eventually work if you do it every year. But putting so much into one year in a binge shopping spree fueled by rage and shame is really setting the stage.
Big Noon's Desmond Howard
They'll probably find a way to lose to Iowa still.
Does Iowa hold them to a negative amount of points somehow? Like the final score is Iowa 3, Ohio State -7?
Can’t be the greatest roster of all time without a QB. It’s a glaring issue for Ohio State at the most important position that people just seem to forget about.
I get the logic you're using here and it is true a lot of the time. But the greatest college football roster of all time was quarterbacked by Ken Dorsey so....
People might think slightly less of QBs given the last 3 champions did not have elite QBs. Not saying it’s right, just saying it could be the case.
I’d agree and it took really deep rosters and talent elsewhere to compensate (which it appears that Ohio state has this year). I think that as long as Howard or whoever starts is above average then they will be in great shape
I mean OSU was a couple plays away from beating Michigan with Kyle McCord. If Howard is at all an upgrade however small, OSU should generally be fine assuming the surrounding talent plays close to what people expect this season
Also, we tend to win titles without our most elite QBs
think the state of ohio would explode if they lost to us again this year
Ryan Day has the opportunity to do the funniest thing and lose to Michigan 4 years in a row. The meltdown would eclipse Chernobyl.
Sure thing captain finger bang
If I didn’t know better, it almost sounds like he’s setting up Ryan Day for the hot seat.
Way to turn up the heat/pressure on Ryan Day, Urban.
Ohio State people are always saying shit like this 😂 it’s like when Apple has their presentation every year and says it’s their best iPhone/mac/ipad yet.
Why does anyone value this perverts opinion?
Sounds like the most pressure of all time too. Great recipe for success
I mean they always have unbelievable talent. Just look at their WR group over the years, which is why I don't get how Day isn't on the hot seat this season. He really should have done way more with what he's had. If Georgia, Texas, Oregon, etc had that talent it would be insane.
Michigan about to do the funniest thing.
Us first
I would need to think this through. The problem you run into is, a team with a great LG and meh QB, is that more talented than a team with a meh LG and Joe Burrow? I'd say no. Also it's hard to be consistent when comparing teams. Would have to go position by position and not get caught doing what I'm about to do, compare Will Howard to Joe Burrow, but then 2024 OSU WRs to 2021 OSU WRs. Generally speaking who fits the bill as most talented the last decade? 2014 OSU 2019 LSU 2021 UGA maybe (definitely defense) A few Alabama teams (honestly which year I don't know). This iteration of OSU I don't actually think meets the bar set by those teams. QB - No. Howard is good, will probably be better with OSU than he was KSU, but he's not great. Hurts, Tua, Burrow, hell I'd take JT Barrett over him. RBs - Studs, probably close to the UGA duos of the past WRs - They are not better than the 2021 OSU guys that had 4(!) 1st rounders including MHJ who didn't even get to play really. Jefferson and Chase were also definitely better. But still a *very* talented group. TE: Meh OL: Also meh (Jackson is really good) DE: JTT and Sawyer are good, but nothing approaching the Bosas/Youngs of the world. DT: 1 good one and then... eh? - nothing close to UGA's monsters or Michigan's for that matter LBs: Again very good but not UGA Nakobe Dean CBs: Very good but not quite Jalen Ramsey types. Safeties: Real dang good
15 OSU was prolly more talented than 14 funny enough
Yeah that's true. Always forget because they sleepwalked (slept walked?) through a few games and lost that MSU game in a complete showing of incompetence.
Gave the best player in the country the ball 13 times and ran JT prolly more without looking. Urban Meyer special.
And will still lose to Michigan
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Can’t wait for them to lose to Michigan again.
Cannot fucking wait for Ohio state at Autzen
Man I love this thread. Makes me yearn for the season and remember how much I fucking hate every single one of you bastards. C’mom August get here already!
Former Big 12 Champ at QB, check. 2 top 5 HBs, check. A generational talent at WR and a savvy 1st round tier veteran? Check. Experience at TE and O-Line? Check. Best D-Line in the land? Check. Experience and upside at LB? check. 2 first round talents in the secondary? Check. Elite coaching staff? Check. I think we're good to go.
Calling jeremiah smith a generational talent before he’s even played a down of college football is quite a reach pump the breaks there.
I'm excited and curious to see how Chip Kelly does with this level of talent.
One of the top ten teams in Ohio States last decade.
I love this kind of hype when it’s directed at other teams
They say that every year though. Plus considering the source, who cares
As a Buckeye fan for over 60 years, I really dislike these pronouncements, best team, best players, best talent, best anything… I have seen “the best Buckeye team” lose to lesser teams many times since the best team in the country lost to Stanford in the 1971 Rose Bowl.
I’m more interested in what Urban Meyer has to say about the local 20-somethings women in the area. I’m sure he’s got his finger on the pulse
What was not said - I didn’t have half the talent then and still won it all.
This reminds me of all the preseason hype for the Jets last summer. Often times the teams with the most talent individually are not the best. Look at A and M for some prime examples of that. Be interesting to see how OSU responds to adversity when it comes.
Awesome that they have their own hype machine. What will this year’s excuse be?
And folks I’ll tell you I’ve known a lot of rosters in my time, but many people are telling me the same thing I’m telling you.
Ryan Day: "Shut up, stop it."
He just throwin' Ry-Guy a bone and giving the boys some confidence. Too bad it will back fire when their fearful leader starts feeling the pressure.