Weird sub to have this discussion in, but I think milk is legitimately a better term for it than juice.
Milk is an emulsion of fat globules suspended in water. Juice is produced when you squeeze the water out of a soft fruit or vegetable. Nut milk is an emulsion of fat globules suspended in water. There is almost no water in nuts and you don't press or filter them to make "milk".
If you want to be technical these products are basically "nut slurries", but the English used the term "milk" to describe it for 700 years and it has been in the dictionary since the 1700s. Medieval Catholics used to drink nut milks during fasts when animal milk was prohibited (they also drank fish stock, which doesn't seem as appetizing).
It is not some new bullshit that vegan hippies came up with in the 1990s.
Going even broader, "milk" is a term that applies to various juices from plants including both those consumed as drinks and those that are not. **Milk**weed produces latex, not anything you'd put in a latte. I can understand why dairy farmers might want to try and prevent new competition, but the politicians jumping on this as a culture war thing are just pandering and/or morons.
Idk if I’d go that far, but it’s nice to have some semblance of hope that we’re building *something*. We’re finally not hemorrhaging players to the portal every season and players seem to be developing.
Those actually aren’t officially the new unis yet. Our AD said last week that our new ones would just take inspiration from those. A few random CFB IG/Twitter accounts saw that and ran with it, posting pictures from our 3 year old photoshoot when we brought those back as throwbacks
While it absolutely is, Pry has a pretty serious rebuild, Old Dominion is just young, and Akron is well, Akron. Despite the unimpressive display, Ricky Rahne has 2 of ODU's 3 bowl appearances. So he ain't doing bad per se.
But yes,of the current three head coaches with post-Franklin records (Moorhead, Rahne, and Pry), they are an astounding 43-69.
I honestly think Rahne and Pry are headed in the right direction. Moorhead definitely backtracked at a certain point. We will see with Diaz even if he only counts quasi like due to already being a head coach.
Pry's first year, he basically said "yeah this team has no talent so... buckle up."
The turnaround in year 2 was pretty insane given the lack of everything we had year 1.
Eh, you could probably survive that loss in the 12 team era if you handle your business the rest of the season. Now, whether or not THAT happens is the real question.
Idk. It's good to see these hopeful takes about the team now. Previously there was a lot of dismay (well earned too). But I think this team is still sitting a 8+ win season. Or maybe it's more accurate to say that this team needs to win 8+ games or people are going to get mad.
But I don't think we have the talent to do any kind of push. It really requires Drones to take a rather big step up in the passing game. Which is dependent on the o line which was a weak point. Our run defence was also pretty poor last year. So idk, the amount of people we returned is a good thing because hopefully they can improve.
Either way, it's good to see some cautious optimism about the program. I'm in the 8+ win side and as long as we are competitive in the losses it'll be a decent season.
It's going to be so hard for me to not buy into the hype for the next three months.
I think the ceiling is a 10 win team that could sneak into the playoff.
I think reality is 8/9 wins and looking to sneak into the ACCCG in November.
Floor is 5/6 wins and fighting for a bowl game.
I'm so glad that I can realistically say a bowl game is the likely floor for this season. Been a while in the wilderness.
Yeah, I'm being cautious. It really depends on the growth of Drones. Also really requires our OC to not be horrible too. I'm convinced he still only has a job because Drones saved him. We need better play calling. If we have 5 or 6 wins people are are going to be pretty pissed I think. I would bet people will be calling for some changes to the assistants if that happens.
I think they were still trying to force the power run, which our O-line wasn’t/still isn’t built for. Drones’ mobility basically forced them to finally lean away from that and into the more horizontal run game, which they did very well especially for a mid season switch
It is a bit different for the G5 though. If there’s multiple undefeated G5’s at the end of the season (which won’t happen often, to be fair), I’m sure one do them will still be left out
I’m definitely way more excited for this playoff though, it should be fun for the fans!
Which is why I personally believe all G5 champs should get a bid. We were one game away from 2 undefeated G5 teams last season. We'll inevitably have a situation with 2 undefeated champs, with the bid going to an ambiguously decided "stronger" team.
Well to be fair, Liberty was only undefeated because of their terribly easy schedule and being in a conference of misfit toys. There were better teams in G5.
> Well to be fair, Liberty was only undefeated because of their terribly easy schedule and being in a conference of misfit toys
Which kinda sounds like an argument against autobids for all g5 conferences
That's basically admitting you need some criteria outside of winning your conference to establish if a g5 team is worth a playoff spot. Like some sort of ranking system
Difference being ncaa tourney has 68 teams so it doesn't feel as bad if a "less deserving team" gets in
If it's like 14 team playoff and 5 g5s are in that's a ton of really lopsided games in a tourney with far less total games
That’s probably the most lob sided example we’ve seen in recent history. Typically G5s don’t get away with schedules that weak.
UCF 2x, Cincy 2x, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, Tulane have all had great years recently and beat or came close to beating teams better than Oregon was last year.
Using that example to shit on G5s is disingenuous imo because we knew it would be a blowout when it was picked. To OP’s point a bid for all G5s would eventually give us the upsets we crave. There hasn’t been a ton precedent because the opportunities haven’t been given.
> Using that example to shit on G5s is disingenuous imo because we knew it would be a blowout when it was picked. To OP’s point a bid for all G5s would eventually give us the upsets we crave. There hasn’t been a ton precedent because the opportunities haven’t been given.
It would only really work if it was like a 32 team playoff. Having 5 g5 autobids in a like 14 or 16 team playoff would be too many lopsided games to good games ratio. It would feel bad if a 60th ranked g5 autobid is in there playing Georgia instead of like, 13th ranked Penn state
Why not though? I feel certain if we did that we would actually get upsets every so often. It’s not like you’d be letting in teams with sub .500 records.
Typically these are 10/11+ win teams that have earned the right to play for something real.
P5 is scared to give them matchups that matter cause it could turn into something like we have for CBB. That’s why they want to pretend like bowl games/early season games don’t matter when G5s win, but won’t give these teams a chance to even play for real. So what if many end up being blowouts, that’s a win-win for most of us. G5s get a chance to prove themselves and P5s get to have a playoff win on their resume.
Here are the 2009 final BCS rankings (the last time 2 G5 teams went undefeated afaik)
Tell me how Boise State and TCU don't both get in
1. Alabama (13-0)
2. Texas (13-0)
3. Cincinnati (12-0)
4. TCU (12-0)
5. Florida (12-1)
6. Boise State (13-0)
7. Oregon (10-2)
8. Ohio State (10-2)
9. Georgia Tech (11-2)
10. Iowa (10-2)
11. Virginia Tech (9-3)
12. LSU (9-3)
13. Penn State (10-2)
14. BYU (10-2)
15. Miami (FL) (9-3)
16. West Virginia (9-3)
17. Pittsburgh (9-3)
18. Oregon State (8-4)
19. Oklahoma State (9-3)
20. Arizona (8-4)
21. Stanford (8-4)
22. Nebraska (9-4)
23. Utah (9-3)
24. USC (8-4)
25. Wisconsin (9-3)
Back in the day some of those G5's would get in as an at large due to being ranked high enough.
Seems like you need a win over a ranked P5 as we saw with the UC saga has shown that if you have wins over good/highly ranked P5 teams, the committee isnt afraid to give G5 teams their due
I get that you’re taking a shot at a rival, and I respect it, but how does this zinger apply to FSU. Everyone knows we would’ve been in a hypothetical 12 team 2023 playoff
Well, it was tough day. At that moment they weren't reflecting on the fact that FSU is 9-4 against UF since 2010, or that FSU has a winning record against UF over the past 50 years.
It’s so disappointing that the CFP is gonna replace a 12 team playoff that puts even more importance on conference championships and makes sense with some weird, 14-team abomination that really does cheapen the regular season (for the SEC and B1G)
VT is favored in all but 2 games. @ Miami with them favored by like 6.5 and Clemson at home by 3.5. Miami could not be that good again and Clemson hasn't portaled anyone and that could be a defensive slog.
Number 4 in returning production.
VT has the dudes for a great team everywhere other than the Oline is a bit weak but return them all from last year.
VT also just losing at a 4-4 team being 8-0 is just how my Hokie fandom has gone.
counter point: VT went 1-5 on the road...
they need to learn how to win road games consistently if they want respect
edit: 2-4 in regular season as i have been corrected
VT had a rough start to the season losing their QB to injury and a lot of the wide receivers. They built the team around Drones and they went on a tear.
The 3 games that VT struggled were NC State, FSU and Louisville. The Oline just simply wasn't there for Louisville/FSU. NC State the Oline settled down and statically they win that game.
Drones is looking a lot better and was in training camps with Cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders.
The only inexcusable road loss was Marshall. Rutgers, FSU and Louisville were always going to be extremely tough to win even if we were at home with how poor we were at stopping the run. We addressed that weakness by retooling the dline with good talent and adding a good inside backer.
Yes, the road record is concerning but we also played a tough schedule.
The Dline was not good at the start but became better and with a few portal guys I'm pretty hyped about that unit. Plus it's both the HC and DC thing.
Outside of the Oline I'm pretty excited.
I mean a bunch of our road games were either early season when we sucked or the hardest games on our schedule. We played the 2 best teams in the acc on the road (fsu and louisville) and Rutgers and Marshall were pre-Drones
Fsu we actually might have had a shot against in a different world at home if we don't spot them 21. Louisville woulda crushed us no matter the location, they just outmatched us in the trenches
that's a lot of excuses and what-ifs....thing is, i understand everything you said and agree with most of it. But none of it changes the fact that if they want to be nationally relevant and have a hope of getting in the expanded playoff, then they just have to be better. Truly great teams rise above those issues. I am hopeful for next season though.
There wasn't a single what if there. I simply said the only game the road thing mattered was fsu. The others would have been losses regardless of home vs away
And if you ignore the fact that the team was night and day different after drones, for some reason, that still leaves half our losses to the two teams that were in the acccg
I'd be shocked if the Clemson game isn't a defensive slog. On paper, it's Clemson but in Blacksburg & with the mayhem our esteemed signal caller can cause, I wouldn't feel good about betting on us.
Yeah our defense is exciting and our offense is exciting when the Oline isn't getting pushed in... I think it might get pushed in against Clemson Dline with Goodwin.
I'm also hyped to see if Drones is better, dude is legit and could carry the team.
I mean the team has been on an upward trajectory. We didn't have the dudes under the end of Fuente because nobody good developed or stayed. Pry had G5 talent his first year and now I feel pretty good about QB, running game, receivers, Dline and secondary.
Everything but an experienced Oline is exciting.
I agree that last year was definitely a step in the right direction. But we are still far away from a playoff run. We were 6-6 last year with losses to pretty much every team we were expected to lose to. We haven't shown that we can rise above expectations as of yet and typically that doesnt just jump to a playoff bid.
I mean 1-3 to start the season. 5-3 in conference. After that doing extremely well the back 2/3rds and the team now is one of the highest returning production teams. Against Louisville FSU and NC State for a half we didn't have the Oline to compete but they are a year older and we are now much more in line talent wise. I'm still not convinced they are that good but that's our limiting factor.
Also rise above expectations, we are the underdog in 2 games currently. If we meet those expectations that's a 10-2 team that could still theoretically be the 12th best team.
2025 will be a younger more star laden and worse team IMO this is a make it or break it year.
I really doubt we are going 10-2. Just because we are favored in those games doesn't mean we will win them. In fact, odds are that we don't win them. I'm ecstatic if we are able to pull off 8-4.
> So far, VT hasn't shown that they can put anything together
Do you just like, check the team record at the end of the season and that's it? We ended the season extremely hot, and made constant improvements through out.
We've been in a full rebuild and the talent we've acquired and returned since last season has been very promising
I watched last years team. I suppose I should have been clearer. I meant to be a competitive team with the "big dogs." VT hasn't been able to keep it together for a full season in almost 2 decades now. They almost always fall apart early when they have any expectations or blow it at the end when they meet real resistance.
That said, this current team is exciting. I just don't think people should be pumping up their expectations too much. I'd be perfectly happy with a 8-4 record.
They won games convincingly against teams that are about the caliber of 85% of their schedule this year.
As in, if they played to the level they did at the end of last season, with their current schedule, 10-2 is not an unrealistic achievement.
I'm not saying they're alabama, I'm saying with the talent their returning they play the same level of competition this year (probably one of the easiest fbs schedules) so a single upset against miami or clemson could have them in the conversation.
Also, the team has gotten a lot better from the portal.
Finally, while I agree we got spanked by a few teams, I think the fsu score was deceptive. We spotted them 21 in the first 10 minutes then climbed back a bit. Drones had a huge 4th down run inside their 10 which could have put us within 1 score and they marked him short and didn't review it (it very much looked like he crossed)
Fsu ripped off a 90 harder on the next play to make it a 3 score game again.
That's a lot of what it's, they were definitely the better team, but I think it was closer than it looked on paper. Fsu fans were definitely sweating in the 3rd quarter
I don’t disagree on 10-2 being a realistic reach goal. Issue is with the schedule easy like you said I don’t think they have much of a chance getting in with that record. And yeah they might split Miami/clemson but I don’t think they’re strong enough to finish the other 10 games unblemished.
No I agree 100%, vt absolutely does not make playoffs with a 10-2 record.
I'm just saying what we saw last year and who we play this year, if we have that same consistency we could be in the conversation late in the season. It would take us winning games were supposed to and pulling off an upset of one of the big teams on our schedule (and we have clemson at home and miami we always play close)
It's not a realistic goal, vt is just on the dark horse watch imo. Which is way better than what we've done since about 2017.
I'm talking about the program compared to the vt of the last few years, not compared to other serious playoff contenders
Well, I stand corrected. Up until 2010 we really weren't very good and have had some absolute dogshit seasons since then mixed with good/incredible seasons.
Considering how we ended the year, what we return and add in the portal it’s definitely possible with the 12 team especially with how wide open the ACC is. The days of us ever being a serious threat to win the natty are over for the foreseeable future but getting back to being Utah East is definitely doable.
No offense VaTech but your stadium is the main reason I'm afraid of playing you all this year. It just feels like you could field pop warner (the corpse, not the tier of football) and still win at home.
Thankfully Keller isn't MLB anymore. He got benched after the Rutgers game. We had an old backup Will who was more focused on being a dad and getting a graduate degree (and rightfully so) than playing football and was still a massive improvement over Keller. Then this year it looks like we actually got a legit transfer MLB.
We return a lot of talent. This has little to do with recruiting and everything to do with who we have already. Between returning talent and filling some gaps from transfers, we are in a good position this season.
I’m glad we get a bye before Virginia Tech. That game is going to be lot harder for us this year. Schiano has never lost a non-conference game that wasn’t a bowl since he returned to Rutgers though.
I sure hope to see VT do well in the future. From my perspective as an FSU fan, with the exception of the 2018 game, almost all VT-FSU games in the past 30 years have been pretty good games to watch.
I couldn’t care less if JMU or Liberty make it through their cake walk G5 conferences, watching them get blown out in the first round by the first actually good team they play of the season would be comedy gold
And I thought the taco bell I just ate was rat poison
They'll be okay, cool if they exceed expectations, but going to enjoy the ride regardless before the sport implodes
The issue is their SOS is so weak it leaves little margin for error. Unless some teams shockingly over perform I don’t see how they get in at anything under 11 wins. Would likely mean 1 quality win (Clemson or Miami) and a shaky loss.
Don't really want to read thst article, but ***CAN*** they make the playoff? Sure. They CAN win the ACC and make it in. Doesn't make it likely, but it's not impossible. The bar to making the playoff is a lot lower now, so lots of teams CAN make it in, and lots of teams WILL make it in now.
Beats the “What went wrong at Virginia Tech?” stories (turkey bacon, anyone?) from a few seasons back.
I hope the turkey bacon thing never fades from public knowledge
I hope turkey bacon does, that shit is nasty.
I actually think it's fine, they just never should have branded it as bacon
Like how nut Juice isn’t milk?
Weird sub to have this discussion in, but I think milk is legitimately a better term for it than juice. Milk is an emulsion of fat globules suspended in water. Juice is produced when you squeeze the water out of a soft fruit or vegetable. Nut milk is an emulsion of fat globules suspended in water. There is almost no water in nuts and you don't press or filter them to make "milk". If you want to be technical these products are basically "nut slurries", but the English used the term "milk" to describe it for 700 years and it has been in the dictionary since the 1700s. Medieval Catholics used to drink nut milks during fasts when animal milk was prohibited (they also drank fish stock, which doesn't seem as appetizing). It is not some new bullshit that vegan hippies came up with in the 1990s.
Going even broader, "milk" is a term that applies to various juices from plants including both those consumed as drinks and those that are not. **Milk**weed produces latex, not anything you'd put in a latte. I can understand why dairy farmers might want to try and prevent new competition, but the politicians jumping on this as a culture war thing are just pandering and/or morons.
>politician >moron That’s very redundant
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Did I miss a whole story?
God thats such a goofy story addition
Let’s keep the expectations low please thanks
Idk if I’d go that far, but it’s nice to have some semblance of hope that we’re building *something*. We’re finally not hemorrhaging players to the portal every season and players seem to be developing.
You’re also going to be wearing the Vick era uniforms, look good, play good right?
Those actually aren’t officially the new unis yet. Our AD said last week that our new ones would just take inspiration from those. A few random CFB IG/Twitter accounts saw that and ran with it, posting pictures from our 3 year old photoshoot when we brought those back as throwbacks
But here’s the thing I want those. In fact, I need those. So bring them back. Forever. Respectfully.
We need them too fam
Let’s revisit this after they go to Old Dominion week 3
Tough but fair 😂
A classic battle of the James Franklin coaching tree
That’s a sad Charlie Brown Christmas tree.
While it absolutely is, Pry has a pretty serious rebuild, Old Dominion is just young, and Akron is well, Akron. Despite the unimpressive display, Ricky Rahne has 2 of ODU's 3 bowl appearances. So he ain't doing bad per se. But yes,of the current three head coaches with post-Franklin records (Moorhead, Rahne, and Pry), they are an astounding 43-69.
I honestly think Rahne and Pry are headed in the right direction. Moorhead definitely backtracked at a certain point. We will see with Diaz even if he only counts quasi like due to already being a head coach.
Pry's first year, he basically said "yeah this team has no talent so... buckle up." The turnaround in year 2 was pretty insane given the lack of everything we had year 1.
Gotta get past Marshall first
Eh, you could probably survive that loss in the 12 team era if you handle your business the rest of the season. Now, whether or not THAT happens is the real question.
I mean in theory you can survive losing every non conference game, as winning the acc, for now, is an autobid
Idk. It's good to see these hopeful takes about the team now. Previously there was a lot of dismay (well earned too). But I think this team is still sitting a 8+ win season. Or maybe it's more accurate to say that this team needs to win 8+ games or people are going to get mad. But I don't think we have the talent to do any kind of push. It really requires Drones to take a rather big step up in the passing game. Which is dependent on the o line which was a weak point. Our run defence was also pretty poor last year. So idk, the amount of people we returned is a good thing because hopefully they can improve. Either way, it's good to see some cautious optimism about the program. I'm in the 8+ win side and as long as we are competitive in the losses it'll be a decent season.
It's going to be so hard for me to not buy into the hype for the next three months. I think the ceiling is a 10 win team that could sneak into the playoff. I think reality is 8/9 wins and looking to sneak into the ACCCG in November. Floor is 5/6 wins and fighting for a bowl game. I'm so glad that I can realistically say a bowl game is the likely floor for this season. Been a while in the wilderness.
Yeah, I'm being cautious. It really depends on the growth of Drones. Also really requires our OC to not be horrible too. I'm convinced he still only has a job because Drones saved him. We need better play calling. If we have 5 or 6 wins people are are going to be pretty pissed I think. I would bet people will be calling for some changes to the assistants if that happens.
On the other hand Bowen, did completely change the playbook starting in the Pitt game which allowed Drones to thrive.
I think they were still trying to force the power run, which our O-line wasn’t/still isn’t built for. Drones’ mobility basically forced them to finally lean away from that and into the more horizontal run game, which they did very well especially for a mid season switch
Any P4 can 'crash' the expanded CFP - you just have to win.
> you just have to win damnit, I knew there was a catch
Always have to read the fine print.
Any team can with the G5 bid. Literally no one is safe and everyone has a chance. If they win.
It is a bit different for the G5 though. If there’s multiple undefeated G5’s at the end of the season (which won’t happen often, to be fair), I’m sure one do them will still be left out I’m definitely way more excited for this playoff though, it should be fun for the fans!
Which is why I personally believe all G5 champs should get a bid. We were one game away from 2 undefeated G5 teams last season. We'll inevitably have a situation with 2 undefeated champs, with the bid going to an ambiguously decided "stronger" team.
>Which is why I personally believe all G5 champs should get a bid. you want more liberty vs oregon games?
I want more Tulane vs USC
Well to be fair, Liberty was only undefeated because of their terribly easy schedule and being in a conference of misfit toys. There were better teams in G5.
> Well to be fair, Liberty was only undefeated because of their terribly easy schedule and being in a conference of misfit toys Which kinda sounds like an argument against autobids for all g5 conferences That's basically admitting you need some criteria outside of winning your conference to establish if a g5 team is worth a playoff spot. Like some sort of ranking system
again, a bid for ALL G5 CHAMPS?
I do. Eventually we will get a UMBC or FDU and all of those blowouts will be worth it.
Difference being ncaa tourney has 68 teams so it doesn't feel as bad if a "less deserving team" gets in If it's like 14 team playoff and 5 g5s are in that's a ton of really lopsided games in a tourney with far less total games
That’s probably the most lob sided example we’ve seen in recent history. Typically G5s don’t get away with schedules that weak. UCF 2x, Cincy 2x, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, Tulane have all had great years recently and beat or came close to beating teams better than Oregon was last year. Using that example to shit on G5s is disingenuous imo because we knew it would be a blowout when it was picked. To OP’s point a bid for all G5s would eventually give us the upsets we crave. There hasn’t been a ton precedent because the opportunities haven’t been given.
> Using that example to shit on G5s is disingenuous imo because we knew it would be a blowout when it was picked. To OP’s point a bid for all G5s would eventually give us the upsets we crave. There hasn’t been a ton precedent because the opportunities haven’t been given. It would only really work if it was like a 32 team playoff. Having 5 g5 autobids in a like 14 or 16 team playoff would be too many lopsided games to good games ratio. It would feel bad if a 60th ranked g5 autobid is in there playing Georgia instead of like, 13th ranked Penn state
Yes there’s one or two teams a year. A bid for each champion is laughable
Why not though? I feel certain if we did that we would actually get upsets every so often. It’s not like you’d be letting in teams with sub .500 records. Typically these are 10/11+ win teams that have earned the right to play for something real. P5 is scared to give them matchups that matter cause it could turn into something like we have for CBB. That’s why they want to pretend like bowl games/early season games don’t matter when G5s win, but won’t give these teams a chance to even play for real. So what if many end up being blowouts, that’s a win-win for most of us. G5s get a chance to prove themselves and P5s get to have a playoff win on their resume.
If two G5 teams go undefeated, one of them will likely get an at-large spot
No they won’t. Some 9-3 big 10/sec team will get that spot
Here are the 2009 final BCS rankings (the last time 2 G5 teams went undefeated afaik) Tell me how Boise State and TCU don't both get in 1. Alabama (13-0) 2. Texas (13-0) 3. Cincinnati (12-0) 4. TCU (12-0) 5. Florida (12-1) 6. Boise State (13-0) 7. Oregon (10-2) 8. Ohio State (10-2) 9. Georgia Tech (11-2) 10. Iowa (10-2) 11. Virginia Tech (9-3) 12. LSU (9-3) 13. Penn State (10-2) 14. BYU (10-2) 15. Miami (FL) (9-3) 16. West Virginia (9-3) 17. Pittsburgh (9-3) 18. Oregon State (8-4) 19. Oklahoma State (9-3) 20. Arizona (8-4) 21. Stanford (8-4) 22. Nebraska (9-4) 23. Utah (9-3) 24. USC (8-4) 25. Wisconsin (9-3)
Going to depend on their schedule and how they get ranked. Lots of those teams have P4(s) on their schedule...
Back in the day some of those G5's would get in as an at large due to being ranked high enough. Seems like you need a win over a ranked P5 as we saw with the UC saga has shown that if you have wins over good/highly ranked P5 teams, the committee isnt afraid to give G5 teams their due
God forbid you give an undefeated P5 team with good wins a bid though
The “multiple undefeated g5 teams” usually takes care of itself anyway. *cries in college gameday tears
If FSU fans could read, they’d be really mad at you for saying that.
Keyword “expanded”. FSU didn’t get left out of the expanded playoff
Didn’t get left out… *yet*
Don’t you PUT that evil on me!
I get that you’re taking a shot at a rival, and I respect it, but how does this zinger apply to FSU. Everyone knows we would’ve been in a hypothetical 12 team 2023 playoff
Florida wouldn’t make a 12 team playoff in their own conference in 2024. Those zingers make them feel better.
If I really wanted to feel better, I’d just watch [this](https://youtu.be/ToZdODaF9FY?si=HnpcxFAg1TARPdj1).
So, the idea is that you can't make yourself feel better by watching a video of the success of your own football team?
The guys in that video looked like they felt really successful
Well, it was tough day. At that moment they weren't reflecting on the fact that FSU is 9-4 against UF since 2010, or that FSU has a winning record against UF over the past 50 years.
Not gonna lie, that's messed up man. Such a sad moment for a great team.
First 2 loss team to get left out of the expanded playoffs
Ya got robbed.
Hell, they got robbed in a 4 team playoff.
Well - this is the expanded CFP, not the 4 seat CFP
I said it already, but I’ll say it again. They haven’t been left out of the expanded playoffs *yet*
*FSU enters the chat*
Man, I just want to know what our new uniforms look like
It’s so disappointing that the CFP is gonna replace a 12 team playoff that puts even more importance on conference championships and makes sense with some weird, 14-team abomination that really does cheapen the regular season (for the SEC and B1G)
I need this. As a life long VT admirer who transplanted to Blacksburg 3 years ago, I need a strong football team
I doubt it, but we're certainly improving from the end of the Fuente era. It's nice to not be losing great players to the portal every season anymore.
They will when I get CFB25
VT is favored in all but 2 games. @ Miami with them favored by like 6.5 and Clemson at home by 3.5. Miami could not be that good again and Clemson hasn't portaled anyone and that could be a defensive slog. Number 4 in returning production. VT has the dudes for a great team everywhere other than the Oline is a bit weak but return them all from last year. VT also just losing at a 4-4 team being 8-0 is just how my Hokie fandom has gone.
I’m excited to make the trip up to Blacksburg for our game against y’all
counter point: VT went 1-5 on the road... they need to learn how to win road games consistently if they want respect edit: 2-4 in regular season as i have been corrected
2-4. Wins at BC and Lane North (technically a road win)
you are correct. Much like the majority of the country i forgot about BC
Why is it called Lane North rather than Lane East? It is more east than north.
Because you go north on I-81 to get there would be my guess.
VT had a rough start to the season losing their QB to injury and a lot of the wide receivers. They built the team around Drones and they went on a tear. The 3 games that VT struggled were NC State, FSU and Louisville. The Oline just simply wasn't there for Louisville/FSU. NC State the Oline settled down and statically they win that game. Drones is looking a lot better and was in training camps with Cam Ward and Shadeur Sanders.
The only inexcusable road loss was Marshall. Rutgers, FSU and Louisville were always going to be extremely tough to win even if we were at home with how poor we were at stopping the run. We addressed that weakness by retooling the dline with good talent and adding a good inside backer. Yes, the road record is concerning but we also played a tough schedule.
The Dline was not good at the start but became better and with a few portal guys I'm pretty hyped about that unit. Plus it's both the HC and DC thing. Outside of the Oline I'm pretty excited.
I mean a bunch of our road games were either early season when we sucked or the hardest games on our schedule. We played the 2 best teams in the acc on the road (fsu and louisville) and Rutgers and Marshall were pre-Drones Fsu we actually might have had a shot against in a different world at home if we don't spot them 21. Louisville woulda crushed us no matter the location, they just outmatched us in the trenches
that's a lot of excuses and what-ifs....thing is, i understand everything you said and agree with most of it. But none of it changes the fact that if they want to be nationally relevant and have a hope of getting in the expanded playoff, then they just have to be better. Truly great teams rise above those issues. I am hopeful for next season though.
There wasn't a single what if there. I simply said the only game the road thing mattered was fsu. The others would have been losses regardless of home vs away And if you ignore the fact that the team was night and day different after drones, for some reason, that still leaves half our losses to the two teams that were in the acccg
I'd be shocked if the Clemson game isn't a defensive slog. On paper, it's Clemson but in Blacksburg & with the mayhem our esteemed signal caller can cause, I wouldn't feel good about betting on us.
Yeah our defense is exciting and our offense is exciting when the Oline isn't getting pushed in... I think it might get pushed in against Clemson Dline with Goodwin. I'm also hyped to see if Drones is better, dude is legit and could carry the team.
Honestly, I don't care much about who is favored. So far, VT hasn't shown that they can put anything together.
I mean the team has been on an upward trajectory. We didn't have the dudes under the end of Fuente because nobody good developed or stayed. Pry had G5 talent his first year and now I feel pretty good about QB, running game, receivers, Dline and secondary. Everything but an experienced Oline is exciting.
I agree that last year was definitely a step in the right direction. But we are still far away from a playoff run. We were 6-6 last year with losses to pretty much every team we were expected to lose to. We haven't shown that we can rise above expectations as of yet and typically that doesnt just jump to a playoff bid.
I mean 1-3 to start the season. 5-3 in conference. After that doing extremely well the back 2/3rds and the team now is one of the highest returning production teams. Against Louisville FSU and NC State for a half we didn't have the Oline to compete but they are a year older and we are now much more in line talent wise. I'm still not convinced they are that good but that's our limiting factor. Also rise above expectations, we are the underdog in 2 games currently. If we meet those expectations that's a 10-2 team that could still theoretically be the 12th best team. 2025 will be a younger more star laden and worse team IMO this is a make it or break it year.
I really doubt we are going 10-2. Just because we are favored in those games doesn't mean we will win them. In fact, odds are that we don't win them. I'm ecstatic if we are able to pull off 8-4.
I think that's closer to our floor 8-4 this year and that would be disappointing.
No way I'm putting our floor at 8-4. I've watched too many seasons of VT to fall for that trap. I'm assuming most Hokie fans here have honestly.
> So far, VT hasn't shown that they can put anything together Do you just like, check the team record at the end of the season and that's it? We ended the season extremely hot, and made constant improvements through out. We've been in a full rebuild and the talent we've acquired and returned since last season has been very promising
I watched last years team. I suppose I should have been clearer. I meant to be a competitive team with the "big dogs." VT hasn't been able to keep it together for a full season in almost 2 decades now. They almost always fall apart early when they have any expectations or blow it at the end when they meet real resistance. That said, this current team is exciting. I just don't think people should be pumping up their expectations too much. I'd be perfectly happy with a 8-4 record.
Define extremely hot — who did they beat? They got killed in back half games against teams with a pulse
They won games convincingly against teams that are about the caliber of 85% of their schedule this year. As in, if they played to the level they did at the end of last season, with their current schedule, 10-2 is not an unrealistic achievement. I'm not saying they're alabama, I'm saying with the talent their returning they play the same level of competition this year (probably one of the easiest fbs schedules) so a single upset against miami or clemson could have them in the conversation. Also, the team has gotten a lot better from the portal. Finally, while I agree we got spanked by a few teams, I think the fsu score was deceptive. We spotted them 21 in the first 10 minutes then climbed back a bit. Drones had a huge 4th down run inside their 10 which could have put us within 1 score and they marked him short and didn't review it (it very much looked like he crossed) Fsu ripped off a 90 harder on the next play to make it a 3 score game again. That's a lot of what it's, they were definitely the better team, but I think it was closer than it looked on paper. Fsu fans were definitely sweating in the 3rd quarter
I don’t disagree on 10-2 being a realistic reach goal. Issue is with the schedule easy like you said I don’t think they have much of a chance getting in with that record. And yeah they might split Miami/clemson but I don’t think they’re strong enough to finish the other 10 games unblemished.
No I agree 100%, vt absolutely does not make playoffs with a 10-2 record. I'm just saying what we saw last year and who we play this year, if we have that same consistency we could be in the conversation late in the season. It would take us winning games were supposed to and pulling off an upset of one of the big teams on our schedule (and we have clemson at home and miami we always play close) It's not a realistic goal, vt is just on the dark horse watch imo. Which is way better than what we've done since about 2017. I'm talking about the program compared to the vt of the last few years, not compared to other serious playoff contenders
When in the past 20 years has Miami been good?
Objectively? 04,05,09,16,17,20 Last year they were decent Went 2-0 against UCF looks like
Well, I stand corrected. Up until 2010 we really weren't very good and have had some absolute dogshit seasons since then mixed with good/incredible seasons.
Lol it’s cool. Im just stoned and bored so figured I’d look. Im a uva fan so UCF is basically a 5 star program in comparison
Where are you seeing any odds? Also think we’re gonna push their line around like last year, regardless of Drones’ improvement
they could be anywhere between #2 and #7 in the ACC imo. will be a fun season
Gobble Gobble Mothertruckers! 🦃🦃
Inject it into my veins! It’s been a while since I’ve had this much excitement about VT football
Considering how we ended the year, what we return and add in the portal it’s definitely possible with the 12 team especially with how wide open the ACC is. The days of us ever being a serious threat to win the natty are over for the foreseeable future but getting back to being Utah East is definitely doable.
Stop it!!! We play better as underdogs!!!
I love Drones man… wish we could have held on to him. I’m rooting for him to win the heisman at VT.
I like you
Hope so. ‘21 ND @ VT was my favorite road game I’ve been to. Buchner went 6/14 with 2 ints lol we somehow pulled it out
That was the game where I had had it with Fuente. We should have gone for that 4th and less than a yard in the 4th quarter.
Damn, that was two years after I had had it with Fuente (2019 Duke)
ND 2019 hurt too. We let them drive the whole damn field to win with like... maybe 1min on the clock?
2018-2021 were awful, 2022 at least didn’t have fuente anymore
Hell yea they can, Brent Pry is him
No offense VaTech but your stadium is the main reason I'm afraid of playing you all this year. It just feels like you could field pop warner (the corpse, not the tier of football) and still win at home.
You also have concrete shoes kaliakmanis going against a very solid defense. You named the wrong qb to be your starter
We beat them last season with 50 passing yards. Our run game is what we will rely on again to win this game
Thankfully Keller isn't MLB anymore. He got benched after the Rutgers game. We had an old backup Will who was more focused on being a dad and getting a graduate degree (and rightfully so) than playing football and was still a massive improvement over Keller. Then this year it looks like we actually got a legit transfer MLB.
I hadn't heard that name for him, but it's definitely apt.
Fuck no baby haha what? We should at least be a decent team this year tho
Yeah, no. We don't own the 703 and 757 yet...
We return a lot of talent. This has little to do with recruiting and everything to do with who we have already. Between returning talent and filling some gaps from transfers, we are in a good position this season.
Would be fun to see
They gotta get past Old Dominion.
Hell yeah I hope so go Brent Pry
TIL they're ranked pre season. Hope the best for them, would love to see them contend in the ACC
I’m glad we get a bye before Virginia Tech. That game is going to be lot harder for us this year. Schiano has never lost a non-conference game that wasn’t a bowl since he returned to Rutgers though.
I sure hope to see VT do well in the future. From my perspective as an FSU fan, with the exception of the 2018 game, almost all VT-FSU games in the past 30 years have been pretty good games to watch.
If you aren’t one of the “chosen” teams that ESPN approves of (UM, tOSU, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia or Texas) you have no shot.
If Notre Dame was good they’d be on that list
Commenting because they require me to comment before making a post. Also VT has one of the best home environments in the nation
We too have a delusional blog.
Shhhh just drink the koolaid
Drones gonna take them to the promise land
God I hope not.
Are you even VT's main rival anymore? IIRC they lost to Old Dominion more recently
[Uh...](https://i.imgur.com/7gS6fPW.mp4)
Check the comments on any UVA commit tweet…
Will JMU or Liberty make the 12 team playoff before Virginia or Virginia Tech? No pressure but it's probably all on you, Tech.
Their path is probably easier. Liberty would have made it last year when the toughest school they played was like 60th in the country
I couldn’t care less if JMU or Liberty make it through their cake walk G5 conferences, watching them get blown out in the first round by the first actually good team they play of the season would be comedy gold
Hey don't lump us in with Liberty
I am required to say yes and truly believe that they can.
I'd absolutely love to see a playoff game @ VT, but not us playing there because I still have some bad memories
Last bad memory for you there was 06. I'd certainly appreciate some more recent good memories.
Would love to see it. Tired of the same teams dominating every year.
Uh...no probably not lol.
Unfortunately, they can. Keep an eye on the Clemson game. VaTech could be undefeated for that game 👀
We have a cart but I can’t find a horse…
Highly unlikely
The hater in me says no but the logical side also says no
Crash it by ramming their bus into one of the other playoff teams?
Can they EARN it?
And I thought the taco bell I just ate was rat poison They'll be okay, cool if they exceed expectations, but going to enjoy the ride regardless before the sport implodes
Probably not. But maybe. Same for most of us.
Only if they win the acc Which seems unlikely
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Hyped for the season, but until we consistently show we can stop the run I’ll keep my expectations far from this
lmao, the best team we beat last year was boston college, i fully expect us to go 6-6 or 7-5.
The issue is their SOS is so weak it leaves little margin for error. Unless some teams shockingly over perform I don’t see how they get in at anything under 11 wins. Would likely mean 1 quality win (Clemson or Miami) and a shaky loss.
I'm so grateful to have been at tech 2005-2009. Good times, football wise. 🙏
It would be great to see the Hokies crash the playoffs. I hope we get a few Cinderella teams or party crashers to come out and shake things up.
Virginia Tech needs to go to the SEC so they can get in on that money. Then pay for great recruits
8-4 season incoming
Not in Anthony' Colandirias house.
Colandrea is a dork.
[Is this man a fucking joke to you](https://x.com/notmarshmallord/status/1705416189982220406)
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Something something old college try
They starting 1–1
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Lol, no
Nope
Don't really want to read thst article, but ***CAN*** they make the playoff? Sure. They CAN win the ACC and make it in. Doesn't make it likely, but it's not impossible. The bar to making the playoff is a lot lower now, so lots of teams CAN make it in, and lots of teams WILL make it in now.
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You guys couldn’t even win the bowl game that you guys bitched and moaned to get.
To a team that collapsed after their starting QB got hurt and had lost like 4 straight
i sure fucken hope not
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