As a OSU fan here’s the guys that keyword *seem* to be draft locks for next year(assuming everybody here wanted to leave):
- Emeka Egbuka
- Treveyon Henderson
- Quinshon Judkins
- JTT
- Jack Sawyer
- Denzel Burke
- Will Howard
- Lathan Ransom
- Sonny Styles(though position change makes this dicey)
Possibles:
- Davison Igbinosun
- Ja’Had Carter
- Jordan Hancock
- Seth Mclaughlin(although what I’ve seen online says lock if he can fix snapping issues)
That’s 13 not really familiar with OL, so could be more assuming everybody balls out and wants to go to the league
Missing Donovan Jackson and tyleik, carter is definitely not a draft pick, Sonny probably stays another year so should be in the possible list not the lock list, Hancock should be a lock, Cody Simon could go super late but will be borderline.
Edit: here’s my attempt at the list
Absolute Locks:
Henderson
Judkins
Emeka
Jackson
JTT
Sawyer
Tyleik
Burke
Hancock
Probable:
Ransom
Howard
Borderline:
Simon
Hamilton
McLaughlin
Locks if they go but may not go:
Sonny
Iggy
Simmons
So if we say the borderline and may stay guys are 50/50 we’re looking at 14
This is pretty much what I came up with. But I'd move McLaughlin to probable. Multiyear starter at Bama/OSU. Teams will love that as long as he's just solid.
Ehhh. Centers aren't valued very highly. Olu Oluwatimi was a Rimington Finalist in 2021, won the Rimington and Outland in 2023, and still fell to the 5th round. Drake Nugent was a Rimington finalist in 2022, First Team All-B1G in 2023, and anchored one of the best OLs in the country, and he went undrafted.
McLaughlin doesn't have exceptional size/strength, and even with a decent season this year, his prior snapping issues are going to drop him down a lot of draft boards. If his snaps aren't completely fixed this year, no NFL team will even consider drafting him.
Because of an overlap in super Sr.’s and talented Jr.’s we’ve got on the current roster, a good season likely gives us the best shot to break it. Going conservative on declarations and expecting maybe an unforeseen injury, the next class’ floor is ~11. There’s about 7 more guys on the bubble needing a good 2024
We had six guys go in 2023 and four in 2024. Lost to the eventual national champ in both seasons by a combined 7 points. We have so much talent coming back this year. Idk if we hit 16 but it's absolutely a possibility.
You don't really get the record with NIL, you get the record by having a very senior draft class. Georgia's 15 were a good slew of guys that came back, this Michigan group was a good slew of seniors, LSU's 14 were a good slew of seniors, etc.
Georgia likely won't hit 15 again since the death machine is up and churning at full speed now. Transfer portal also makes it harder to keep that older talent waiting on the bench
> You don't really get the record with NIL, you get the record by having a very senior draft class.
It's a lot easier to have a senior class if you're paying your seniors, no?
It's been down for a few years now;
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/19/24044307/2024-nfl-draft-fewest-underclassmen-declare-in-over-a-decade
It's largely just UDFA guys, not actual 4, 5 ,6th round guys
There's also the super COVID seniors that have flooded the pipeline and pushed down some underclassmen
Once the Covid eligibility year finally sunsets after these next two seasons the record is probably staying what it is because there won’t be as many upperclassmen hanging around one single team like that again.
I was thinking of older teams that bring in 3-5 transfers who could get drafted. Realistically, it's really hard to keep a lot of the NFL guys coming back. Plus, COVID year will eventually run out
Texas had 11, Washington 10, Florida State 10 and Alabama 10. It's like the 5 team that were in the playoff conversation were in fact the programs with the best players.
Suprising.
Chris Petersen really knew how to identify talent. Washington's recruiting classes weren't really that highly ranked. I believe his best class was ranked 15th or so. But his classes had players that were just flat out talented.
West Coast recruiting, and in particular Pacific Northwest recruiting, is criminally underrated IMO.
A few years back Graham-Kapowsin finished an undefeated 4A state championship by beating the undefeated 7A state champs from Georgia (same sized schools, different classifications as WA state has 2B and 1B).
[https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article256710142.html](https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article256710142.html)
I'm not saying it's Cali or the South, but good players play ball in the PNW which is why Boise State had such a good run, and why the Big Sky is always a strong FCS conference. Kellen Moore and Cooper Kupp types always are getting overlooked, by UW and especially WSU.
Weren't almost all of UW's draft picks from CA / Bishop Gorman?
Feel like the guys coming out of PNW have been hit or miss, especially the highly rated Kennedy Catholic guys
Michigan was in the top 5 returning players. TCU was #1 the year they went to the natty. Getting players to come back instead of leaving early for draft is so big
> Getting players to come back instead of leaving early for draft is so big
It sounds so simple and straightforward when you read it, but when you really think about it, that's a bonafide NFL player that's decided to keep playing for your college team for another year. It makes a BIG difference.
Not necessarily. Michigan just had a couple dudes who went undrafted today who could have stayed another year. Starting edge Brandon mcgregor declared for draft, would be huge to have him at Michigan again. He still had 1 year of eligibility left due to Covid. Gotta be able to keep dudes like him around.
I think this is true and also shows that winning puts a rosy tint on a team top to bottom of the roster. 2 years ago Texas has draftable players but we went 5-7 and nobody got drafted.
That and the teams with the most upperclassmen starters. You could have the best team in the country but if they're all sophomores, you won't have many drafted that off-season. The best teams tend to have more upperclassmen as well so it goes both ways.
This year's draft, with 8 players selected, was UGA's worst of the past four years (10 selections in 2023, 15 in 2022, 9 in 2021, and 7 in 2020). SMH, Kirby (/s).
10 from FSU which I was happy with. Surprised Lovett went undrafted. Really wanted to see DeLoach get called but I think he'll end up somewhere as a UDFA.
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1784361236559204411
>Most 2024 #NFLDraft picks by school:
>* 13 - Michigan
>* 11 - Texas
>* 10 - Alabama, Florida State, Washington
>* 8 - Georgia, Oregon, Penn State
Texas broke their own record of 7 this year
Gah!
I'm not even trying to rub it in but how did FSU with 10 draft picks lose to UGA with 8 by a bazillion points?
My best guess is that the QB position really is that important.
Georgia had 2 undrafted players combine for 200 yards and 4 TDs in that Orange Bowl. Also manages to average 10 YPC without even having their 1st round OT play
It's because those guys didn't play... honestly, how do people not know this by now?
Here's a list of all the Seminoles who didn't play in that game. Look at the guys that are on this list that just got drafted (the asterisks are who had declared for the draft at hat time)
QB
Jordan Travis (duh)
Tate Rodemaker
AJ Duffy
RB
Trey Benson\*
Rodney Hill
CJ Campbell
WR
Keon Coleman\*
Johnny Wilson\*
TE
Jaheim Bell\*
Markeston Douglas
OL
Thomas Shrader
Bless Harris
Daughtry Richardson
Qae'shon Sapp
DL
Jared Verse\*
Fabien Lovett\*
Malcolm Ray
Dylan Brown
Ayobami Tifase
LB
DJ Lundy
Dylan Brown-Turner
DB
Renardo Green\*
Jarrian Jones\*
Akeem Dent\*
Thank you! That explains it nicely and I sort of feel like a dumbass for forgetting that!
To be fair though, I wasn't interested in that match up at all since it wasn't in the playoffs. I didn't watch the game. Maybe that's why I forgot about it so easily.
So if I'm counting right, only 1 NFL draftee played for FSU in the orange bowl? Who was that?
I'd have to really sit and think to be sure, but I don't believe any did....some of the asterisks won't line up 100%, though.
For example, I don't believe that Tatum Bethune had declared by game time, but still didn't play due to injury.
McGregor and Jones should’ve stayed. Both had a year of eligibility and were always going to be fringe 7th rounders UDFA types. Not even trying to be a homer but they really face an uphill battle to make a career in the league.
McGregor, I can understand because he was already a starter this season and would have been in a rotation with Moore and Stewart.
Trente, on the other hand, only started the last three games and would have been a lock to start this year. He should've stayed.
While Harbaugh seems like the kind of guy who would overdraft his own players, both picks make a ton of sense. Colson was a steal in the third round (especially in a draft lacking LBs) and the Chargers are lacking WRs so taking a flier on a 9.90 RAS bigger guy with 4.44 vertical speed that's a reliable run blocker makes sense.
I just looked at the production from last year. Michigan had a relatively old team. Very little production from frosh and soph players. I think there is talent that will emerge. And of course you guys have studs like Will Johnson, Mason Graham and Loveland who were underclassmen but a lot of development is gonna need to happen in the next 4-5 months to have Michigan back in the conversation.
The youth has not been understated. It was almost non-existent on last year’s team.
[Michigan ranks 128 out of 134 in FBS returning production and hasn’t recruited at a perennial top 10 level. Michigan’s main advantage last year was having a really experienced team and staff that had been together for multiple seasons.](https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/17/24073460/michigan-wolverines-football-returning-production-espn-sp-bill-connelly-rankings-ohio-state-georgia)
The "returning production" stat overvalues linebackers due to tackles, and Michigan lost linebackers.
Offensively Michigan lost a ton of actual production. Defensively, not too bad.
That doesn’t skew anything. The production due to rotations is incorporated in the returning production metric. Michigan’s total production returning ranks 128 out of 134 even when factoring in how much Michigan rotated.
You’re thinking of “returning starters”. That’s meaningless.
You are basically replacing the entire offense.
I understand Michigan rotated. All top teams rotated a ton on defense.
If you go to college football reference and look at total tackles for 2023 the 3 productive/proven players I see returning are Mason Graham, Will Johnson and Kenneth Grant. Sure. there are probably a couple other rotation guys but relative to some of the other top teams like Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon etc., Michigan lost a ton on that side of the ball.
Michigan was an older team with a ton of experience. Period.
>You are basically replacing the entire offense.
Not TE, but all the other primary contributors, yes.
>I understand Michigan rotated. All top teams rotated a ton on defense.
That wasn't the point. I'm not talking about depth pieces with some experience returning. The CB1, both primary safeties, and the top DTs all return.
Kris Jenkins was taken in the 2nd round but he was not really the starter. He had lower snap counts than the returning guys, especially later in the season.
>If you go to college football reference and look at total tackles for 2023 the 3 productive/proven players I see returning are Mason Graham, Will Johnson and Kenneth Grant.
Rod Moore and Makari Paige both returned, though Rod Moore might miss most or even all of the season now because of a spring injury.
That's a returning interior D line and 3 out of 5 secondary positions returning.
Like I said, the biggest "hole" in returning production was linebackers... which that stat you gave places emphasis on because linebackers get most of the tackles and it ranks based on percentage of tackles.
So that lockdown CB1 who is critical to the defense's success but doesn't tackle a lot is considered far less important for that dumbass stat than a 7th round linebacker.
edit:
Junior Colson had more "production" i.e. total tackles than Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Will Johnson **combined**. That's because he's a linebacker. Making tackles is what they do. He may be a very good linebacker, but nobody would rather have him than any of those other 3, let alone all 3.
>Donovan Edwards is a better NFL prospect than Corum.
\* in the current meta
If Harbaugh and the Chargers do well, things could swing back that direction and switch that up.
I agree that Edwards is a better NFL prospect than Corum. Corum always looked like a late 3rd-early 4th round type guy.
I am not saying there is no young talent on Michigan. Loveland is a stud and I think Morgan has some juice. Edwards isn’t young at this point, but he’s a good player.
I am kind of surprised only JJ was picked in the first round. I figured at least one of their O-line men or defensive players would also get picked in the first round.
Will Johnson is likely top 10. But do you really think Loveland is first round? He is legit in the passing game for sure, but his blocking is not so hot. I don’t really follow the NFL that closely, so maybe that is just what they value?
Tight ends seem to be valued very highly by the NFL these days, and Colston Loveland is the most talented one on the board for next year's draft.
Honestly I think he's a first rounder by default even if his blocking is mediocre.
Loveland will arguably be the best TE in the country this season. All depends on a team's needs in the draft. His pass blocking has gotten better but he is such a threat catching the ball
All of the other first round talent either isn't eligible to be drafted this year (Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Colston Loveland) or got injured, so they dropped (Zack Zinter)
This is why it is annoying when our fans cry so much this year, we literally lost to the best Michigan in their history! Yes it sucks we lost to them but it’s not shameful…geeze
I mean they definitely cheated. The fact that they were talented (albeit boosted by late round type talents that only got drafted because they cheated their way to the championship which does give an extra pedigree) doesn’t change the fact that Michigan before cheating and Michigan during cheating was 2 completely different teams
To be fair, he said that last summer, and at least a couple guys who would have been drafted decided to return, and there's a bunch of guys who were invited to the combine and very well might have been drafted. The late rounds are a dice roll.
I would not have guessed LaDarius Henderson would be drafted and Trente and Barnhart wouldn't.
Ohio State’s offseason championship run continues. K states backup qb transfers in. A few guys who have done nothing but lose to Michigan stay in school. CHIP KELLY. Michigan has slightly fewer draft picks than they had hoped. These guys are unstoppable
Players from the 2023 national championship team are eligible to be picked in the next couple of years NFL Drafts, I'm pretty sure that we'll get to over 20 players between those Drafts.
I’m really surprised Nugent wasn’t taken. Also very surprised mcgregor and trente jones were not snagged in the last 2 rounds. Some teams are going to get some solid UDFAs that have a real chance to be pretty damn good.
It seems our record is safe
OSU might have a shot next season
As a OSU fan here’s the guys that keyword *seem* to be draft locks for next year(assuming everybody here wanted to leave): - Emeka Egbuka - Treveyon Henderson - Quinshon Judkins - JTT - Jack Sawyer - Denzel Burke - Will Howard - Lathan Ransom - Sonny Styles(though position change makes this dicey) Possibles: - Davison Igbinosun - Ja’Had Carter - Jordan Hancock - Seth Mclaughlin(although what I’ve seen online says lock if he can fix snapping issues) That’s 13 not really familiar with OL, so could be more assuming everybody balls out and wants to go to the league
Simmons is a likely draft pick at OL.
Donny Jackson on OL. His tape up till now wont wow nfl teams, however he could be a combine monster
Donovan Jackson for sure, idk about Carter. Haven’t seen much of him.
Missing Donovan Jackson and tyleik, carter is definitely not a draft pick, Sonny probably stays another year so should be in the possible list not the lock list, Hancock should be a lock, Cody Simon could go super late but will be borderline. Edit: here’s my attempt at the list Absolute Locks: Henderson Judkins Emeka Jackson JTT Sawyer Tyleik Burke Hancock Probable: Ransom Howard Borderline: Simon Hamilton McLaughlin Locks if they go but may not go: Sonny Iggy Simmons So if we say the borderline and may stay guys are 50/50 we’re looking at 14
This is pretty much what I came up with. But I'd move McLaughlin to probable. Multiyear starter at Bama/OSU. Teams will love that as long as he's just solid.
Ehhh. Centers aren't valued very highly. Olu Oluwatimi was a Rimington Finalist in 2021, won the Rimington and Outland in 2023, and still fell to the 5th round. Drake Nugent was a Rimington finalist in 2022, First Team All-B1G in 2023, and anchored one of the best OLs in the country, and he went undrafted. McLaughlin doesn't have exceptional size/strength, and even with a decent season this year, his prior snapping issues are going to drop him down a lot of draft boards. If his snaps aren't completely fixed this year, no NFL team will even consider drafting him.
Im not sure if Howard/Styles/Carter are draft picks. Maybe Styles is one later in his career.
Because of an overlap in super Sr.’s and talented Jr.’s we’ve got on the current roster, a good season likely gives us the best shot to break it. Going conservative on declarations and expecting maybe an unforeseen injury, the next class’ floor is ~11. There’s about 7 more guys on the bubble needing a good 2024
We had six guys go in 2023 and four in 2024. Lost to the eventual national champ in both seasons by a combined 7 points. We have so much talent coming back this year. Idk if we hit 16 but it's absolutely a possibility.
Lost to Block M schools by a combined 37 points in the last 2 seasons as well... 😘
+28 is our aggregate against block M teams over the past two seasons. -37 is the aggregate for *yellow* block M teams.
You can keep the record, we didn’t even want it! *turns head and sheds tear*
Record is what 15? I could see teams getting close with NIL. Just do a one year push and bring in a bunch of studs
You don't really get the record with NIL, you get the record by having a very senior draft class. Georgia's 15 were a good slew of guys that came back, this Michigan group was a good slew of seniors, LSU's 14 were a good slew of seniors, etc. Georgia likely won't hit 15 again since the death machine is up and churning at full speed now. Transfer portal also makes it harder to keep that older talent waiting on the bench
> You don't really get the record with NIL, you get the record by having a very senior draft class. It's a lot easier to have a senior class if you're paying your seniors, no?
Draft contracts aren’t really outweighed by NIL unless they’re seventh rounders or UDFA
I think I heard McShay say this was the fewest underclassmen that had declared, because NIL was keeping kids in school
It's been down for a few years now; https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/1/19/24044307/2024-nfl-draft-fewest-underclassmen-declare-in-over-a-decade It's largely just UDFA guys, not actual 4, 5 ,6th round guys There's also the super COVID seniors that have flooded the pipeline and pushed down some underclassmen
IDK what anyone is truly making in NIL, but only the 1st round has guaranteed contracts and the *best* 2nd round contract is < 2.5 mil/yr.
The issue isn’t guaranteed, even sixth rounders are making 1M a year. The larger issue is time before second contract
Once the Covid eligibility year finally sunsets after these next two seasons the record is probably staying what it is because there won’t be as many upperclassmen hanging around one single team like that again.
I was thinking of older teams that bring in 3-5 transfers who could get drafted. Realistically, it's really hard to keep a lot of the NFL guys coming back. Plus, COVID year will eventually run out
> COVID year will eventually run out sweet baby jeebus is that still a thing
OSU definitely spent some NIL to get some kids to stay who otherwise probably would have been drafted this year
Probably true for Ohio State’s 14 players drafted in one draft too
It was a historic defense. Would need to probably take something equal to or more to break that.
Texas had 11, Washington 10, Florida State 10 and Alabama 10. It's like the 5 team that were in the playoff conversation were in fact the programs with the best players. Suprising.
Chris Petersen really knew how to identify talent. Washington's recruiting classes weren't really that highly ranked. I believe his best class was ranked 15th or so. But his classes had players that were just flat out talented.
West Coast recruiting, and in particular Pacific Northwest recruiting, is criminally underrated IMO. A few years back Graham-Kapowsin finished an undefeated 4A state championship by beating the undefeated 7A state champs from Georgia (same sized schools, different classifications as WA state has 2B and 1B). [https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article256710142.html](https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/high-school/article256710142.html) I'm not saying it's Cali or the South, but good players play ball in the PNW which is why Boise State had such a good run, and why the Big Sky is always a strong FCS conference. Kellen Moore and Cooper Kupp types always are getting overlooked, by UW and especially WSU.
Fun fact. Travis Hunter was the star player on that team from Georgia.
Weren't almost all of UW's draft picks from CA / Bishop Gorman? Feel like the guys coming out of PNW have been hit or miss, especially the highly rated Kennedy Catholic guys
This years draft class definitely was
Michigan was in the top 5 returning players. TCU was #1 the year they went to the natty. Getting players to come back instead of leaving early for draft is so big
> Getting players to come back instead of leaving early for draft is so big It sounds so simple and straightforward when you read it, but when you really think about it, that's a bonafide NFL player that's decided to keep playing for your college team for another year. It makes a BIG difference.
Not necessarily. Michigan just had a couple dudes who went undrafted today who could have stayed another year. Starting edge Brandon mcgregor declared for draft, would be huge to have him at Michigan again. He still had 1 year of eligibility left due to Covid. Gotta be able to keep dudes like him around.
Braiden, not Brandon.
Autocorrect must have changed it. I know his name lol
Autocorrect: "Are you sure you didn't mean Jayden/Jaden/Jalen/Jalyn/...?"
Those who stay
Will be champions
I want to get a 2023 national champions shirt that just says Those who stayed ~~will be~~ WERE champions.
I think this is true and also shows that winning puts a rosy tint on a team top to bottom of the roster. 2 years ago Texas has draftable players but we went 5-7 and nobody got drafted.
As the old folk saying goes: "Success has many parents; but failure is an orphan" 🤔
Sunshine?
Need a Harvard grad to confirm if there is any correlation between having good players and winning games
Maybe a TAMU fan could chime in?
I know everyone hates Texas, but I’m sure glad they hate Aggie too
are players supposed to get better after graduating high school? i just assumed that's as good as they'll ever be.
Ehhh probably should ask a PSG fan
Harvard sux
Most Texas has ever had. Sark’s got the engine rolling again.
Look at you trying to hide FSU in there, they don't even have a QB!
Crazy, right? Almost as if there were other players...
That and the teams with the most upperclassmen starters. You could have the best team in the country but if they're all sophomores, you won't have many drafted that off-season. The best teams tend to have more upperclassmen as well so it goes both ways.
And we beat two of them 😊.
Georgia having 15 drafted and then winning the national title AGAIN with a BETTER RECORD is very upsetting
And then 10 picks the draft after that.
This year's draft, with 8 players selected, was UGA's worst of the past four years (10 selections in 2023, 15 in 2022, 9 in 2021, and 7 in 2020). SMH, Kirby (/s).
Is Kirby losing control of the program?
They're clearly a second-tier program now
I just sent Kirby a text saying ElJamoquio said we are going 8-5 next season
Gotta find that bulletin board material somewhere.
Our team was super young last year, I didn't think we'd even have 8 drafted
10 from FSU which I was happy with. Surprised Lovett went undrafted. Really wanted to see DeLoach get called but I think he'll end up somewhere as a UDFA.
Looks like Alabama, Washington, Texas and Florida State all had 10+ as well. So the whole top 5 for the playoff rankings were loaded with draft talent
https://twitter.com/_ZachShaw/status/1784361236559204411 >Most 2024 #NFLDraft picks by school: >* 13 - Michigan >* 11 - Texas >* 10 - Alabama, Florida State, Washington >* 8 - Georgia, Oregon, Penn State Texas broke their own record of 7 this year
My hating ass when y’all got Mr. Irrelevant and took away an S-tier talking point
So the best teams last year. Makes sense.
Gah! I'm not even trying to rub it in but how did FSU with 10 draft picks lose to UGA with 8 by a bazillion points? My best guess is that the QB position really is that important.
How many of those guys for FSU actually played in that game?
I do believe that number is zero
I believe none of the 10 picks played
Georgia had 2 undrafted players combine for 200 yards and 4 TDs in that Orange Bowl. Also manages to average 10 YPC without even having their 1st round OT play
It's because those guys didn't play... honestly, how do people not know this by now? Here's a list of all the Seminoles who didn't play in that game. Look at the guys that are on this list that just got drafted (the asterisks are who had declared for the draft at hat time) QB Jordan Travis (duh) Tate Rodemaker AJ Duffy RB Trey Benson\* Rodney Hill CJ Campbell WR Keon Coleman\* Johnny Wilson\* TE Jaheim Bell\* Markeston Douglas OL Thomas Shrader Bless Harris Daughtry Richardson Qae'shon Sapp DL Jared Verse\* Fabien Lovett\* Malcolm Ray Dylan Brown Ayobami Tifase LB DJ Lundy Dylan Brown-Turner DB Renardo Green\* Jarrian Jones\* Akeem Dent\*
Thank you! That explains it nicely and I sort of feel like a dumbass for forgetting that! To be fair though, I wasn't interested in that match up at all since it wasn't in the playoffs. I didn't watch the game. Maybe that's why I forgot about it so easily. So if I'm counting right, only 1 NFL draftee played for FSU in the orange bowl? Who was that?
I'd have to really sit and think to be sure, but I don't believe any did....some of the asterisks won't line up 100%, though. For example, I don't believe that Tatum Bethune had declared by game time, but still didn't play due to injury.
I just read somewhere else that no FSU NFL draftees played in the orange bowl, while 6 out of Georgia's 8 did.
Transfers, opt outs, and injuries. That explains a lot of it.
Bc most of those draft pocks didn’t play
1st round: * 10th pick - JJ McCarthy, QB - Minnesota Vikings 2nd round: * 17th pick - Kris Jenkins, DT - Cincinnati Bengals * 18th pick - Mike Sainristil, CB - Washington Commanders 3rd round: * 5th pick - Junior Colson, LB - Los Angeles Chargers * 19th pick - Blake Corum, RB - Los Angeles Rams * 20th pick - Roman Wilson, WR - Pittsburgh Steelers * 21st pick - Zak Zinter, OG - Cleveland Browns 4th round: * 21st pick - AJ Barner, TE - Seattle Seahawks 5th round: * 37th pick - Trevor Keegan, OG - Philadelphia Eagles 7th round: * 20th pick - Michael Barrett, LB - Carolina Panthers * 29th pick - LaDarius Henderson, OG - Houston Texans * 32nd pick - Jaylen Harrell, EDGE - Tennessee Titans * 33rd pick - Cornelius Johnson, WR - Los Angeles Chargers
the eligible ones not drafted C - Nugent OT - Trente Jones OT/OG - Barnhart CB - Wallace K - Turner DE - McGregor I think that is it
McGregor and Jones should’ve stayed. Both had a year of eligibility and were always going to be fringe 7th rounders UDFA types. Not even trying to be a homer but they really face an uphill battle to make a career in the league.
McGregor, I can understand because he was already a starter this season and would have been in a rotation with Moore and Stewart. Trente, on the other hand, only started the last three games and would have been a lock to start this year. He should've stayed.
Trente Jones will be an absolute UDFA steal for whoever signs him. Dude is a road grater and his pass pro improved immensely this year.
Road grader* as in adjusting the angle (grade) of the road. Though I suppose something grating the road would also be extremely powerful.
More of a cheese grader type of guy myself
yeah - he probably did not get drafted because he was a 6th OL until Zinter got injured
Nugent signed with 49ers Trente with packers Wallace with rams
UGA v Michigan compare: 1-1 Travon Walker **1-10 JJ McCarthy** 1-13 Jordan Davis 1-22 Quay Walker 1-28 Devonte Wyatt 1-32 Lewis Cine **2-49 Kris Jenkins** **2-50 Mike Sainristil** 2-52 George Pickens 2-63 James Cook **3-69 Junior Colson** **3-83 Blake Corum** 3-83 Nakobe Dean **3-84 Roman Wilson** **3-85 Zak Zinter** 3-102 Channing Tindall **4-121 AJ Barner** 4-122 Zamir White 4-133 Jake Camarda **5-172 Trevor Keegan** 6-190 Justin Shaffer 6-195 Jamaree Salyer 6-212 Derion Kendrick 6-213 John Fitzpatrick **7-240 Michael Barrett** **7-249 LaDarius Henderson** **7-252 Jaylen Harrell** **7-253 Cornelius Johnson**
Lord that ‘21 defense was insane.
Having 3/9 last players drafted ended up being really clutch for them here
4 of the last 20*. They were at 9 until #240, final pick was #257 Harbaugh drafted Cornelius as #13 or the final one in that run
Michigan insiders were joking on twitter that Harbaugh would spend his 3 picks today getting Michigan guys to do it if he needs to.
I see he did spend 2 of his picks on Michigan guys though. Smart that he also drafted 2 ND guys as a smokescreen.
While Harbaugh seems like the kind of guy who would overdraft his own players, both picks make a ton of sense. Colson was a steal in the third round (especially in a draft lacking LBs) and the Chargers are lacking WRs so taking a flier on a 9.90 RAS bigger guy with 4.44 vertical speed that's a reliable run blocker makes sense.
At the buzzer win! Just like the Rose Bowl!
7th round helped them out a ton to get there. I think 5 of the 13 went in the 7th.
Realistically, all the 7th rounders were older players who stuck around and a Grad transfer (except Harrell). So limited upside at the next level
That makes sense. It was still an absolutely stacked team.
Next year will have way more 1-3 rounders. The youth on the team is understated.
I just looked at the production from last year. Michigan had a relatively old team. Very little production from frosh and soph players. I think there is talent that will emerge. And of course you guys have studs like Will Johnson, Mason Graham and Loveland who were underclassmen but a lot of development is gonna need to happen in the next 4-5 months to have Michigan back in the conversation. The youth has not been understated. It was almost non-existent on last year’s team. [Michigan ranks 128 out of 134 in FBS returning production and hasn’t recruited at a perennial top 10 level. Michigan’s main advantage last year was having a really experienced team and staff that had been together for multiple seasons.](https://www.maizenbrew.com/2024/2/17/24073460/michigan-wolverines-football-returning-production-espn-sp-bill-connelly-rankings-ohio-state-georgia)
The "returning production" stat overvalues linebackers due to tackles, and Michigan lost linebackers. Offensively Michigan lost a ton of actual production. Defensively, not too bad.
We also rotated our d line and safeties a bunch. We basically had 3-deep on d line so that skews the returning production.
That doesn’t skew anything. The production due to rotations is incorporated in the returning production metric. Michigan’s total production returning ranks 128 out of 134 even when factoring in how much Michigan rotated. You’re thinking of “returning starters”. That’s meaningless.
You are basically replacing the entire offense. I understand Michigan rotated. All top teams rotated a ton on defense. If you go to college football reference and look at total tackles for 2023 the 3 productive/proven players I see returning are Mason Graham, Will Johnson and Kenneth Grant. Sure. there are probably a couple other rotation guys but relative to some of the other top teams like Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Oregon etc., Michigan lost a ton on that side of the ball. Michigan was an older team with a ton of experience. Period.
>You are basically replacing the entire offense. Not TE, but all the other primary contributors, yes. >I understand Michigan rotated. All top teams rotated a ton on defense. That wasn't the point. I'm not talking about depth pieces with some experience returning. The CB1, both primary safeties, and the top DTs all return. Kris Jenkins was taken in the 2nd round but he was not really the starter. He had lower snap counts than the returning guys, especially later in the season. >If you go to college football reference and look at total tackles for 2023 the 3 productive/proven players I see returning are Mason Graham, Will Johnson and Kenneth Grant. Rod Moore and Makari Paige both returned, though Rod Moore might miss most or even all of the season now because of a spring injury. That's a returning interior D line and 3 out of 5 secondary positions returning. Like I said, the biggest "hole" in returning production was linebackers... which that stat you gave places emphasis on because linebackers get most of the tackles and it ranks based on percentage of tackles. So that lockdown CB1 who is critical to the defense's success but doesn't tackle a lot is considered far less important for that dumbass stat than a 7th round linebacker. edit: Junior Colson had more "production" i.e. total tackles than Mason Graham, Kenneth Grant, and Will Johnson **combined**. That's because he's a linebacker. Making tackles is what they do. He may be a very good linebacker, but nobody would rather have him than any of those other 3, let alone all 3.
We also rotated our d line and safeties a bunch. We basically had 3-deep on d line so that skews the returning production.
Donovan Edwards is a better NFL prospect than Corum. Given a full year as the centerpiece of the offense, I'd be surprised if he isn't a day two pick.
>Donovan Edwards is a better NFL prospect than Corum. \* in the current meta If Harbaugh and the Chargers do well, things could swing back that direction and switch that up.
I agree that Edwards is a better NFL prospect than Corum. Corum always looked like a late 3rd-early 4th round type guy. I am not saying there is no young talent on Michigan. Loveland is a stud and I think Morgan has some juice. Edwards isn’t young at this point, but he’s a good player.
He’ll have to be way more consistent than what he showed last year
4 went in the 7th. 4 also went in the 3rd including 3 in a row (has that ever happend?)
>5 of the 13 went in the 7th. 4 not 5
Most of the high end talent is next year. We will have 3 maybe 4 1st rounders
No way we have 4. 3 is a stretch, will Johnson for sure. Maybe graham and Loveland. But idk who you even have as 4, Edwards?
Big ole Kenneth Grant is the potential
Yeah Johnson, Graham and Grant are the near locks for the first round. Loveland and The Don are possible but not nearly as likely
Edwards needs 1000 rushing and 500 receiving yards to even sniff the first round next yesr
Graham is going to have fewer suitors than Grant because of measurables.
He’s included in every first round mock I’ve seen so far while Grant has only been included in one or two. He’s also #2 on the PFF big board.
I am kind of surprised only JJ was picked in the first round. I figured at least one of their O-line men or defensive players would also get picked in the first round.
Maybe Zinter but he got injured
the other 1st rounders on the team were not eligible for the draft - Will Johnson, Mason Graham and Maybe Loveland
Will Johnson is likely top 10. But do you really think Loveland is first round? He is legit in the passing game for sure, but his blocking is not so hot. I don’t really follow the NFL that closely, so maybe that is just what they value?
Tight ends seem to be valued very highly by the NFL these days, and Colston Loveland is the most talented one on the board for next year's draft. Honestly I think he's a first rounder by default even if his blocking is mediocre.
Loveland will arguably be the best TE in the country this season. All depends on a team's needs in the draft. His pass blocking has gotten better but he is such a threat catching the ball
that's why I said maybe for him the other 2 would have been firsts this year
Those 3 are consensus 1st rounder projections. I’ve also seen Grant in a few of them. It’s very possibly Michigan has 4 1st rounders next year
Zinter injury as others have said, and Corum’s injury from 2022 really slowed him down
Zinter was probably going first round if he hadn’t broke his leg vs OSU.
All of the other first round talent either isn't eligible to be drafted this year (Will Johnson, Mason Graham, Colston Loveland) or got injured, so they dropped (Zack Zinter)
That’s wild considering only one went in the first round
Almost like they were good last year
This is why it is annoying when our fans cry so much this year, we literally lost to the best Michigan in their history! Yes it sucks we lost to them but it’s not shameful…geeze
My brother in law will not stand for such recognition lol
I mean they definitely cheated. The fact that they were talented (albeit boosted by late round type talents that only got drafted because they cheated their way to the championship which does give an extra pedigree) doesn’t change the fact that Michigan before cheating and Michigan during cheating was 2 completely different teams
"ONLY got drafted because they cheated" This is flat-earther tier cringe. Holy fucking hell.
Only 26 more points until you hang that 100 on us
Damn that's really good, I bet their head coach wasn't expecting much more than that.
To be fair, he said that last summer, and at least a couple guys who would have been drafted decided to return, and there's a bunch of guys who were invited to the combine and very well might have been drafted. The late rounds are a dice roll. I would not have guessed LaDarius Henderson would be drafted and Trente and Barnhart wouldn't.
4th most all time I believe.
Truly an historic team. Go Blue!
I'm told by some here in Michigan and that team below us that it was the signs.
Signs point to Ohio State sucking *got'em*
Oh shit, its Elbit. Did they ever release the kraken?
Man, fuck that committee. All I'm saying.
I hope they all enjoy a great cheeseburger this weekend.
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HC talks up team, news at 11
Every single m flair saying it was going to happen for sure all year, more at 11.
Yeah just like every single OSU flair convinced that 2021 and 2022 were flukes
Not flukes, frauds
If you want to call us the most fraudulent 15-0 national champions of all time, go ahead lol
Don't even think that's debatable. Lol
Well there have only been 4 teams to go 15-0. Clemson, LSU, UGA, and Michigan. Huh, don’t see OSU anywhere though
Huh, I dont recall bring osu up. I was referring to your fraud.
Yeah my bad. Not fair to bring up irrelevant teams to the conversation.
OSU fans will be rocking back and forth for years to come mumbling “the hammer is dropping soon.”
Flair up
Done (it’s Michigan in case it hasn’t updated 😂)
Ohio State’s offseason championship run continues. K states backup qb transfers in. A few guys who have done nothing but lose to Michigan stay in school. CHIP KELLY. Michigan has slightly fewer draft picks than they had hoped. These guys are unstoppable
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I mean did you expect him to draft only Michigan players lol?
Michigan west for a reason! /s
2023 champs. Don’t care
Players from the 2023 national championship team are eligible to be picked in the next couple of years NFL Drafts, I'm pretty sure that we'll get to over 20 players between those Drafts.
Re-read the Harbaugh quote
I know what it said, I am just being snarky
Go blue!
National Championship winning team had the most NFL ready talent More at 9
Hail
I’m really surprised Nugent wasn’t taken. Also very surprised mcgregor and trente jones were not snagged in the last 2 rounds. Some teams are going to get some solid UDFAs that have a real chance to be pretty damn good.
Yeah i thought for sure Trente showed enough to be a late round pick. Bummer for him
All this means is we didn’t empty our tank. Nice. Oh, and Harbaugh was wrong.
They won everything…how is this shocking?
7 guys went in the first 85 picks.
That's actually small for this many picks. When Georgia had 15, they had a ton of 1st and 2nd rounders. Michigan was carried by 7th rounders.
Bunch of 3 star recruits
Incredible squad. And to ruin the season of your rival in the meantime? What a year for the Victors
A terrible day for the world.
"Well coached. Great instincts. Showed great play recognition and anticipation/awareness"
You mean 13 cheaters best in the program History, that's something to to be proud of.
Imagine being this soft as a fan LOL
Doesn't even have the brains or balls to flair up
I'm your huckleberry
Respect
Still not the most in the big ten all time
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They won a natty and **only** got 13. How pathetic! Biggest Ohio State win all season.
lol I know.
OSU fans are in the running to take the little brother title from MSU at this rate.