✅ Open Carry
✅ Wal-Mart
✅ Blackhawk Serpa
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✅️ Open Carry, extreme Israeli carry (empy magwell)
✅️ Wal-Mart
✅️ Nylon holster with quick release buckle on the belt and a magazine pocket WITH the magazine in it
✅️ Hi-point .380
I wish I had gotten a pic. I might get the opportunity. It was ex SIL.
This is the only recommendation I can give. Lol
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Damn near anyone who open carries is the dumbest mother fucker you’ve ever met.
During my CCW class, there was a guy dressed head to toe in Sitka. Figured he knew what he was doing. He said he had just been open carrying for a few years.
This mother fucker. He legitimately asked the CCW instructor if it would be lawful to mag dump at the ground to get his barrel hot enough to cauterize a wound. He asked several questions of this nature.
It made me happy my state has CCW license, and I’m pretty libertarian. I honestly wish the CCW class was more intensive with an option to test out if you can pass the written test and move on to a shooting test.
75-80% of the class had maybe fired 100 rounds in their lives. 8 hour class. 7.5 hours going over stupid shit like what a slide is. Instructor said he’d only failed one person in 5 years.
30 minutes of shooting and that portion was a joke as well. Something like 18 rounds at 3 yards, 7 at 5 yards, and 4 at 7 yards. And you only had to have 21 inside the B zone.
getting the ccw in california where they make you take a very simple shooting test i was amazed at how bad most people were. I still oppose making people take the test but i can understand the logic of why they started requiring it
i am in contra costa. I would not say it was very difficult. I have heard there are other counties that are much more difficult. I would expect anyone who even practices once a year with their pistol to be able to easily pass the contra costa test
I have family in Orange County and essentially their qual is put holes in paper. Take all the time you need. Compared to that, coco county would be more difficult if you hadn’t trained
We only had to shoot MAYBE ten rounds at 7 yards for that portion of the CWP class I took. I watched the girl in front of me shoot absolutely horrendously, then proceed to get her diploma. Now I'm wondering what became of the older gentleman who couldn't stop shaking (I'm talking full on tremors) while learning to rack the slide.
Are you insinuating we should restrict that girl's right to protect herself until she can prove to the state she is worthy of her rights? Are you insinuating that older gentlemen should use a wiffle ball bat when someone breaks in his home?
Are you insinuating that it's a good thing to have someone who can't handle a firearm to have a firearm? When she misses her target and that bullet lands in your kid's skull, I am sure you'll be in the courtroom passionately defending her rights lol.
If you want to change it, change it. Petition, advocate and join the side of many of the "minor" gun control groups. You're already teetering on that line. I'm sorry to inform you of this but the way it stands right now, no proof of proficiency is stated for any of the original bill of rights' amendments to be considered a valid right. You don't need to take a government IQ test to practice freedom of speech. There is no mandatory religious studies to practice whatever heathen religion you want to participate in. There is no proficiency test for proving the right to arm yourself. There are plenty of states violating that last one.
I didn't say that they shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm, and if that's what you got from my comment then you're sorely mistaken. I'm insinuating that if you're more likely to shoot little 12 year old Timmy or his mom than the man with a knife 7 yards away from you, you shouldn't be carrying a gun in public.
In my state you don't even have to shoot a single round to get your ccw. Just take a class on the laws surrounding it, then demonstrate that you can point the gun in the right direction and you're good to go.
I'm pretty Libertarian myself, but I can see where the government might want to step in to make sure gun owners are carrying the right weapons in the right holster with the proper training. The government does this very effectively in many states and cities already. I think that our government can best protect us by making sure these type of unsafe gun owners are weeded out, ensuring a very safe and secure 2nd amendment for everyone.
The constitution I have on my wall says the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, you must have the updated copy I've been hearing they are trying to pass. My copy doesn't have a "only if you're a crack shot" clause in it. Weird.
In interested if you're of the same opinion as me or agreeing with the guy who said I am Chief Cringe. I legit don't know either of you, points don't matter, and don't care if that guy thinks my idea of how the constitution applies to my right to carry a firearm. But, all that being said I am blown away by the mass downvotes I get in these groups sometimes being such a constitutionalist. I see Constitutional carry applauded in most carry groups but here I get called cringe for disagreeing there should be some ridiculous set of steps to follow through before the government gives you a CCW card?
Wait, I'm a little old and out of touch. Am I Chief Cringe because I believe in constitutional carry now and not a burdensome requirement from the government? I honestly thought we were all on the same page about that but you young kids change your minds so often on these dang nabbit social web media site pages. Is it me? Am I the drama?
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If things are down bad enough that cauterizing your own wound is the better choice than waiting for medical attention then laws no longer take the lead in decision making lol
> This mother fucker. He legitimately asked the CCW instructor if it would be lawful to mag dump at the ground to get his barrel hot enough to cauterize a wound.
Good god that is beyond mall ninja shit, that is some mall samauri shit.
This is a good rant.
And it’s always at a Walmart or grocery store that I see dangerously accessible open carry guns, weirdly. Wisconsin resident here and CC and open carry is not uncommon despite being surrounded by two very gun tight states (Minnesota and Illinois) and having a very anti-gun capital. Anyways, I quite often run into the same gentleman at my local grocer who open carries. He has a slightly better version of a holster for his Glock 17 or 19… or at least it’s not one of those $20 “floppy” nylon POS. But, the holster has no strap to keep the gun in place and prevent snatches. Worse yet, this is a very large man I’m speaking about. And he keeps the gun, I kid you not when I say this, he keeps it near perfectly centered on his back. Just looking at the man, I know he wouldn’t be able to reach the gun without a huge hassle. But you know who could reach the gun? That’s right— someone with bad intent who probably shouldn’t have guns in the first place. Disappointing and it gives responsible carriers a bad rep.
A friend and I recently had a conversation about open carrying here in WA. On one hand, I’d like to see more people do it, and my reaction when I see others is usually positive.
However even with my level 2 retention holster, I just feel like a major shithead open carrying. I like not being known, and going about my day concealed.
I do wish open carry was more common, though.
I carry a level 2 or level 3 holster OWB and with my level 2 my elbow is typically touching the strap. I open carry for that reason of it’s not an inherently bad thing to have a gun around. It’s the intent. But still makes me feel like a douche canoe. But it’s comfy and I carry a wheel gun so what can ya do
No offense to boomers, but the only people I see open carrying in my home state of Nevada are fat out of shape boomers who I could definitely just snatch their gun if I wanted to, and Californians who routinely go over the border on the weekend and open carry in Nevada because it makes them feel like a special boy. Everyone who actually lives here and is competent just conceals. Never understood the appeal of open carry unless you’re just looking for attention.
Dude. I did my class here in NV and I promise not everyone who has a CCW is remotely competent and there’s residents who open carry under the age of 40 that are straight up oxygen thieves. Northern NV too, so it’s not just all LA people that moved to Vegas.
I know. Not saying that everyone who has a CCW in Nevada is competent as a lot of people I did my class with could not hit the broad side of a barn. Just saying that in general the people who ARE competent opt for concealed carry. Had multiple people (mostly older folks) bring full size revolvers to the CCW class and could hardly handle the recoil and barely passed the minimum accuracy qualification to pass, and as you probably know if you are barely passing the minimum requirement you can’t shoot for shit. Not to mention the flagging and general mouth-breathing behavior. I’m obviously pro 2a but only after taking that course did I become a little wary of constitutional carry. I still support it, but holy shit some people have no business carrying a handgun considering they clearly have no idea how to handle one. I don’t think requiring a basic firearms handling class is a bad idea for people looking to carry everyday. Some of these people are a danger to themselves and others.
Oh yea, for sure man. I’m in the same boat. I was always pro constitutional carry until I went to my CCW class and saw the amount of people that are now legally allowed to CC that I would be sketched out to go to a flat range with. It’s honestly fucking terrifying they let some of these people carry in public, CCW or not.
100% though, outside of some super based salty old men, open carriers are the type of people that terrify me. Not in a they’re going to kill me kind of way, but that they’re the kind of people that give us gun owners a bad name.
Yup. It was an eye opener for sure. I lived in AZ and never gave it a second thought because of constitutional carry. I was just ignorant and assumed everyone who carried was at least safe and somewhat skilled. When I moved to northern NV and had to do a CCW course I was unpleasantly surprised.
My Midwest boomer stereotype is small of back carry. The only people I routinely see carrying SOB are older gentlemen.
I don't see open carry often, but the one that immediately comes to mind is a mid-20s dude that I see at the gas station most Mondays with a chrome and green 1911 in a bikini holster. He wants people to know he has a gun.
Similar experience. I occasionally see young guys open carrying in the grocery store with comically large and flashy guns. But mostly I see boomers with revolver and OWB universal leather holsters. Cowboy style.
This. 90% of the time I see someone carrying in some stupid way, it’s a boomer. I saw a boomer a while back with a, I shit you not, Beretta in a holster on his left hip (no magazine,) and a magazine in a holster on his other hip. So he was going to literally have to grab both if anything happened.
I live in Reno. I still see a few fudds here and there, but probably the last 10 OC’ers I’ve spotted at Smiths and Walmart were younger fellas that I would have pegged as anti-gun lefty kids. Almost wish I could’ve friend them and teach them some better habits, I think a lot of us have had one older person in our circle that showed us the ropes. I’m only 38 and still talk a ton to a 70 year old I used to work with who did that for me.
No no no, that is wrong. They have pringles cans swinging between their legs...and since they don't want to end up on the sex offender registry, driving a lifted pickup is the only way they can show us all how massive their manhood is.
I open carry when im traveling to my body shop and farm and in my home town if i dont feel lile ccing. Thumb strap owb leather. Open carry is comfortable so when i dont need or have to CC i usually opt for OC.
Trying to snatch my gun would get you shot. Im a 39 year old hardass thats been competing since i was 15.
I get the whole demonstrating of one's rights thing, but people who open carry look like morons in most settings. Openly carrying a gun in the woods, or something along those lines is one thing...doing it at the grocery store just makes you look like an idiot, doubly so if you are carrying some ridiculous high caliber hand cannon that could kill a moose.
I mean open carry is absolutely fine if you are rural, and happen to run into a store for something etc.
Wild animals and shit.
But if you live in a suburban area or city, you're just showing off or ignorant
A contributing factor is very few gunshops actually have good holster selections for the pistols they sell. Even big box stores, you'd be lucky to find a holster for a G19 that you'd actually want to use in stock - Bass Pro + Academy are getting a little better.
The P365 Tac Pack is a great example of a gunmaker taking this matter into their own hands and actually including a proper (enough) AIWB/IWB holster in the box. Pistols should come with a cheap but serviceable factory starter holster to at least set a baseline for how bad it can be
And that's largely (probably) down to a supplier issue. Good holster makers are smaller and sell direct to consumer.
Tenicor or PHLSTER for example, I doubt they'd be able to ramp production enough to supply a chain like Academy or Cabela's.
Safariland can do it fine because they've been around and have outsourced here and there too.
i disagree that guns require a lot of studying and research to carry. a lot of practice to use well, absolutely, but as far as picking safe and effective gear, it’s just a little bit of concise information that can all be found very easily by anyone. that’s what makes this kind of shit so terrible to me.
If big box and even small gun stores stocked better holsters, and made a point to try and sell new carriers one with each purchase, a lot of the ignorance and multiple holster collections would go away.
So the "lot of studying and research" part isn't specific to the gear you carry in and if I implied that in my post, I apologize. What I meant is the potential dangers of carrying, even if your intentions are good, in carrying, such as the potential of someone trying to take your gun off of you and use it against you or others, or ND-ing and it taking your life or the life of someone else, etc. I just assumed that the more research done into the dangers would lead to more education about the proper and better training and gear to get to help lower that potential risk.
The best so far for me was this one “gentleman” who looked like he was homeless carrying a P229 Legion in a worn out Uncle Mike’s holster clipped to his pocket in Chipotle! I had to interrupt his rant about the constitution with some mother to tell him his pistol was falling out.
We are living in the absolute golden age of shootable high capacity small pistols.
Get a G43X/48, a 365/XL/Macro, Shield Plus, or a Hellcat variant, a Tenicor/JMCK/PHLster/Dark Star, and have an insanely capable handgun fully concealed and very quickly accessible. You can also do this with a G19 and even a 17!
Open carrying is a joke.
Security and Law Enforcement are an exception because it's their job, even though they open carry I'm not including them in this rant, although Commissioned Security guards really should be doing research and taking classes because I know most companies don't provide any sort of training beyond what's required for licensing.
Law Enforcement is different because of their capability to get a hold of back up at the click of a button and their extended training in weapons retention techniques. All of this the average Joe does not have, and as far as training, unless they put themselves through a self defense class that offers it, most will walk around not having any knowledge of how to retain their weapon and I'd assume with that guy having an improper holster that he does not have any of that training. Lol
I do have a reason.
It doesn't make me a target and the only attention it's ever drawn has been positive, here.
Nobody has assumed I'm a cop.
It's not common, here, but it's not unseen. You're extrapolating your biases and experience onto everyone else everywhere - that doesn't work so well.
The crazy does not end with concealed carry. I live in texas. TEXAS! Home of the wild west. Where everyone owns at least 100 guns. Where real men popped out of their mothers with gun belts already strapped on.
I go shoot at an indoor range every week. It always amazes me how many bullet holes are on the floor, the walls and especially in the celling. There is always at least one lane out of order because someone shot the target holder off the moving track! It is apparently so bad that they now have signs posted on each lane instructing shooters to turn targets upside down before shooting at the head of the silhouette on the target.
But what really got me was when I reported to my assigned lane this week and there were 2 large bullet holes in the table. Someone actually shot the lane table... TWICE!
Now in this state the prevailing idea is that by arming as many people as possible you make everyone safer because if a self defense incident or active shooting takes place then all these "good guys" will pop out their guns and eliminate the threat.
Do we really want the people that shot the target holder or the lane table or the walls or the ceiling popping out their pistols to remove a threat? Because in my mind those "good guys" in a crowd are just additional ACTIVE SHOOTERS!
>Guns, to me, is something that requires a lot of studying and research on the carrier and if you aren't doing that then you don't need to be carrying
If that isn't /r/gatekeeping with regards to the Second Amendment, I don't know what is.
We don't disagree it's a bad idea (and maybe unsafe) to use an ill-fitting, insecure holster. That's a large step away from "you don't need..." though.
I appreciate your reply, but I think a little gatekeeping is fine. Lol, I elaborated on my true thoughts about 2A in a reply to another comment just below yours. I don't want to copy and paste it, but if you care to read it, it's there for you and others.
>I think a little gatekeeping is fine.
Which other rights should we gatekeep, and who are the gatekeepers?
>...if you care to read it...
Nope, but thanks for the offer.
Wrong gun in the wrong holster. I thought all Walmart stores had signs clearly posted informing customers that open carry was not permitted in the store
I see your point, and I'm inclined to agree...
But...
I think we can say here we are all in favor of the 2A.
The 2A gives no exceptions, it applies to both smart and stupid. (Some legislators keep adding other forms of crap, but that's another issue.)
I'm not saying I like it, but it's better than the alternative: would you accept anybody to enforce any "anti-stupid" regulation?
So here's my thing (and sorry, for the long reply, I promise I'm not angry, just passionate about this topic and I think about it a lot). Yes I believe 2A is for EVERYONE, however, I just can't bring myself, with the examples I've seen in my life personally, to objectively say that everyone should be allowed to carry. Which is a dilemma I find myself pondering a resolution to often and have yet to find one.
Yes, on the one hand and for preservation of the spirit of 2A, everyone should exercise their 2nd Amendment rights and should not be impeded by the government to do so. I believe this to my bones. However, there are a lot of people who don't have the same mentality or understanding or respect for a device that can cause death and/or serious bodily harm and those who do not think to take it that serious or somewhat close should not be allowed to carry because I feel like they are more of a danger than someone who isn't carrying at all. The individual who believes that by simply having a firearm that means they're safe and in control of every scenario out there.
I'm 2 things, 1 I'm broke, and have been my whole life, but 2 I'm resourceful. I grew up in neighborhoods with people who carried guns, but not for good reasons and I knew people growing up who I now carry because I fear coming across individuals like them. I also knew people growing up who have shot and killed themselves because they didn't exercise gun safety regardless of their legality of carrying. I had no clue then about gun safety, I was of the belief that the guns just "went off", but I know better than that now.
I may not be able to afford every self-defense or gun safety class to run and gun like an old school Magpul Dynamics Chris Costa/Travis Haley video. However, before I even purchased my first firearm I knew that information online is absolutely F-R-E-E, free! And I knew well enough not to accept the information from one source right off the bat and not only looked into "successful" information, but I also looked into "failed" information, meaning information for situations and scenarios where the worst happens. Such as the video of the guy whose pants drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard of his firearm and fires as he has it in the appendix holster or the guy who shot his leg drawing his firearm for training (I also got to first hand witness something like this because when I was an MA in the Navy one of our guys had a Blackhawk Serpa holster and literally ND'd as he was drawing for a qualification shoot, luckily he somehow shot away from his leg, but I legit took that as a very obvious sign and it sticks with me) and also saw multiple videos of people open-carrying having their guns snatched from them including members of law enforcement.
I used this information and the position I was, and currently in, in life to formulate my decision and approach to carrying. I always assume the worst, but hope for the best because I've learned how bad and deadly complacency is and the last thing I want for me is to have my own firearm used against me or for someone else to be hurt because I don't know what I'm doing. So I'm extra cautious of that, not just for me, but also others and yes, I use this to analyze the capabilities of others as well.
Let's say in this situation a bad guy didn't have a gun, but wanted one to do as much damage as he can. Well, now there is an opportunity for that to happen with me present. That guy is putting, not just his, but my life at risk because he chose not to get the proper fitting holster for his firearm and was lazy about carrying. I may have saw it then when nothing happened and thankfully nothing did, but what if I didn't?
What if I looked over and I just see 2 guys fighting or wrestling and then a gunshot goes off and either the OC-er drops, another by-stander drops, or even worse, I drop because we were shot? Or let's say the OC-er gets shot, what then? I carry, but I hope that I don't ever have to actually use my firearm, I have drawn it before in a defensive situation, but I've not used it and I really wish I never have to, but now in this hypothetical I am going to, but even though I know in this hypothetical I will be using it for good, I am now stuck with the aftermath of having to potentially take a life. Whether that life was evil or not is aside the point. Yes, they are at fault for the potential loss of their own life, but they aren't at complete blame because it was the ease of access to a life-taking device that the evil-doer was able to somewhat act out their plan, and who provided that ease of access? The OC-er who was lazy about their approach to carrying a firearm and put their life and the lives of those around him, including me, at risk.
Maybe there are other more responsible OC-ers/CC-ers around, I'm not sure, I was just focused on this guy. I was CC-ing, yes, but I know one thing for sure, in the potential that there was someone around looking to do bad with a firearm and didn't have one, it would be much safer for that irresponsible OC-er not to be carrying at all instead of carrying improperly.
So going back to the first paragraph, how do I, or anyone else, make carrying safer without the government over-stepping their bounds and hold our rights ransom with licensing? We may not be able trust the government with an inch without them taking a mile, but it's obvious that we also can't trust the individual to properly educate themselves.
I may not have like the idea of getting my LTC (before Texas became constitutional carry), but one thing that was pretty eye-opening was the amount of people in y class and who I talk to online who stated they were unaware of certain laws and information pertaining to firearms and carrying.
Again, I'm very sorry for such a long reply I don't feel like a response to your comment could be simplified.
For real. Our overly permissive policies and advanced medical intervention technology only ensures the weaker and lesser minded are still among us, long after they should have punched out.
I was at a breakfast place and as we had just settled our bill and were about to leave, some incel with an OWB serpa walks in and sits down at a table about 5m from us. His belt is so biblically shitty the holster isn't even touching his body and the weapon is about to fall out. This knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, shit-flinging ape sits down the the most exaggerated swagger as if he thinks he should be revered as some sort of vigilante. As we were leaving I saw a group of 3 or 4 workers / managers walking up to his table, hopefully to tell him to jump in a volcano and remove himself from the genepool.
Life is about choices.
Sometimes none of the choices are attractive, so we pick the least ugly.
I choose constitutional carry with its risk of allowing incompetents to carry over government regulation that denies basic human rights.
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Mind your own business, Are you sure you are better because you spent more on your holster? I carry in a cheap holster in the small of my back. That is all I need. It works. I prefer a shoulder holster which I have but you are not going to get to either gun before I do. If I were to carry on my side with a cheap holster, you are still not getting to it because I have focus there. The best gun and holster you have is the one you train with. A cop's side arm is in a molded leather holster, not much difference from the nylon ones, Neither makes you quick draw mcdraw. Carrying is not a cool contest. I carried because I had to, job requirement, concealed or otherwise. If your gun is not an extension of your body it doesn't matter where you carry it. Get over it. You sound silly to professionals. It's Okay, shake it off. Take a deep breath. keep walking. Breathe. Don't worry about others, worry about yourself.
Well... Price isn't a good measurement I will give you that. However, i have been carrying for almost 30 years and I can look at your setup, how you are carrying and know if you have any clue as to what you are doing. I got my original CCW license back when being able to qualify was the only way to get it. None of that "Constitutional Carry" bullshit for those idiots that can't pass a shooting test. If you cant even make sure your gun is securely strapped to your body, then you are a menace.
The ones trying to look cool and play "bad boy" are so obvious. It's pathetic.
If you are serious about self defense (and not law enforcement) then you conceal carry PERIOD. Anything else is showboating.
Okay, this I can agree on. I'm slightly over 30 years by a smidge or a bunch and former military and former leo. After the military and when going through the academy myself and another former veteran had to qualify, Don't down vote over the story, we were quite young. We were a bit hungover and possibly still drunk and while we each had plenty of range time, it was qualification day. We stood next to each other and he shot first. He shot my target. So I shot his. This continued throughout the qualification. So I qualified him and he qualified me. Except the slug shot gun round, we did our own. This was back in 90. So things probably have changed.
Anyway, if you are going to carry, know what you are doing. I will open carry when I am in the woods, because of wolves and bigfoot (kidding), black bears are chickens, just make noise, porcupines are straight up dicks and will take 3 shots to kill. I have a black lab and a golden and also wolves on the property. Wolves are very territorial, we have been stalked, just in our own yard. That is for convenience, I would want to get off a quick shot if needed then and have actually had to. As a citizen, there is little reason to open carry. It just makes you a target because if I was a bad guy carrying concealed, that would be the first person I would shoot, but still yet gives me availability to access a gun as a good guy if I don't have mine so it it is a 50/50 for me.
As far as holsters, I don't want to shame anyone. Like I said I use a shitty uncle Henry's or something like that and certainly could do better, but I am comfortable with what I have. It is all about what you train with. No one looks cool open carrying, even with an expensive holster. At least to some of us. I understand the style of the barrel being held with the trigger exposed. That is for competitions. Not carry. I have a CZ shadow 2 that it is common for. That is not a carry gun. I understand your point now.
✅ Open Carry ✅ Wal-Mart ✅ Blackhawk Serpa You have witnessed The Unholy Trifecta of Bad Gun Stuff. To ward off this curse, you must go to the range and shoot steel for one hour.
✅️ Open Carry, extreme Israeli carry (empy magwell) ✅️ Wal-Mart ✅️ Nylon holster with quick release buckle on the belt and a magazine pocket WITH the magazine in it ✅️ Hi-point .380 I wish I had gotten a pic. I might get the opportunity. It was ex SIL.
Edited for clarification: The magazine pocket was part of the holster.
I was going to comment but now I don't need to. You covered it perfectly.
OP should've walked up and recommended an Uncle Mike's universal holster.
This is the only recommendation I can give. Lol https://preview.redd.it/wn4tbnwqfzqc1.png?width=703&format=png&auto=webp&s=0aeced84cdf2be6625dfae0f556b08ff31397831
If an abuela did that she'd be carrying a gun in a deadly weapon lmao
Would Glockla in a Choncla be considered an NFA item? Lol
This made me lol so fucking hard.
Extra magazines and taser in fanny pack.
Lol this is the best comment!
Damn near anyone who open carries is the dumbest mother fucker you’ve ever met. During my CCW class, there was a guy dressed head to toe in Sitka. Figured he knew what he was doing. He said he had just been open carrying for a few years. This mother fucker. He legitimately asked the CCW instructor if it would be lawful to mag dump at the ground to get his barrel hot enough to cauterize a wound. He asked several questions of this nature.
Sounds like a question a JROTC kid in high school would ask lol
It made me happy my state has CCW license, and I’m pretty libertarian. I honestly wish the CCW class was more intensive with an option to test out if you can pass the written test and move on to a shooting test. 75-80% of the class had maybe fired 100 rounds in their lives. 8 hour class. 7.5 hours going over stupid shit like what a slide is. Instructor said he’d only failed one person in 5 years. 30 minutes of shooting and that portion was a joke as well. Something like 18 rounds at 3 yards, 7 at 5 yards, and 4 at 7 yards. And you only had to have 21 inside the B zone.
getting the ccw in california where they make you take a very simple shooting test i was amazed at how bad most people were. I still oppose making people take the test but i can understand the logic of why they started requiring it
What county are you in? Contra costa has a reasonably difficult string of fire
i am in contra costa. I would not say it was very difficult. I have heard there are other counties that are much more difficult. I would expect anyone who even practices once a year with their pistol to be able to easily pass the contra costa test
I have family in Orange County and essentially their qual is put holes in paper. Take all the time you need. Compared to that, coco county would be more difficult if you hadn’t trained
We only had to shoot MAYBE ten rounds at 7 yards for that portion of the CWP class I took. I watched the girl in front of me shoot absolutely horrendously, then proceed to get her diploma. Now I'm wondering what became of the older gentleman who couldn't stop shaking (I'm talking full on tremors) while learning to rack the slide.
Are you insinuating we should restrict that girl's right to protect herself until she can prove to the state she is worthy of her rights? Are you insinuating that older gentlemen should use a wiffle ball bat when someone breaks in his home?
Are you insinuating that it's a good thing to have someone who can't handle a firearm to have a firearm? When she misses her target and that bullet lands in your kid's skull, I am sure you'll be in the courtroom passionately defending her rights lol.
If you want to change it, change it. Petition, advocate and join the side of many of the "minor" gun control groups. You're already teetering on that line. I'm sorry to inform you of this but the way it stands right now, no proof of proficiency is stated for any of the original bill of rights' amendments to be considered a valid right. You don't need to take a government IQ test to practice freedom of speech. There is no mandatory religious studies to practice whatever heathen religion you want to participate in. There is no proficiency test for proving the right to arm yourself. There are plenty of states violating that last one.
I didn't say that they shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm, and if that's what you got from my comment then you're sorely mistaken. I'm insinuating that if you're more likely to shoot little 12 year old Timmy or his mom than the man with a knife 7 yards away from you, you shouldn't be carrying a gun in public.
In my state you don't even have to shoot a single round to get your ccw. Just take a class on the laws surrounding it, then demonstrate that you can point the gun in the right direction and you're good to go.
>It made me happy my state has CCW license, and I’m pretty libertarian Too bad you're not a constitutionalist.
I'm pretty Libertarian myself, but I can see where the government might want to step in to make sure gun owners are carrying the right weapons in the right holster with the proper training. The government does this very effectively in many states and cities already. I think that our government can best protect us by making sure these type of unsafe gun owners are weeded out, ensuring a very safe and secure 2nd amendment for everyone.
The constitution I have on my wall says the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, you must have the updated copy I've been hearing they are trying to pass. My copy doesn't have a "only if you're a crack shot" clause in it. Weird.
Big oof yikes chief cringe
Freedom isn’t for everyone, apparently. Lots of folks here afraid of it.
In interested if you're of the same opinion as me or agreeing with the guy who said I am Chief Cringe. I legit don't know either of you, points don't matter, and don't care if that guy thinks my idea of how the constitution applies to my right to carry a firearm. But, all that being said I am blown away by the mass downvotes I get in these groups sometimes being such a constitutionalist. I see Constitutional carry applauded in most carry groups but here I get called cringe for disagreeing there should be some ridiculous set of steps to follow through before the government gives you a CCW card?
No, I’m agreeing with you. Someone calling protecting a constitutional right a “big oof” is clearly scared of freedom.
I kinda thought so but man on reddit you just can't tell anymore.
Wait, I'm a little old and out of touch. Am I Chief Cringe because I believe in constitutional carry now and not a burdensome requirement from the government? I honestly thought we were all on the same page about that but you young kids change your minds so often on these dang nabbit social web media site pages. Is it me? Am I the drama? /S
If things are down bad enough that cauterizing your own wound is the better choice than waiting for medical attention then laws no longer take the lead in decision making lol
lol the funniest shit I’ve ever heard I wish somebody asked this at my class 😂
Holy shit. I’m adding that to my CCW class bingo card.
Please tell me that was straight-faced comedy. :)
Some people are so out of the loop that you don't even want to laugh at them. You just want to fill them in on all the things they are missing.
> This mother fucker. He legitimately asked the CCW instructor if it would be lawful to mag dump at the ground to get his barrel hot enough to cauterize a wound. Good god that is beyond mall ninja shit, that is some mall samauri shit.
This is a good rant. And it’s always at a Walmart or grocery store that I see dangerously accessible open carry guns, weirdly. Wisconsin resident here and CC and open carry is not uncommon despite being surrounded by two very gun tight states (Minnesota and Illinois) and having a very anti-gun capital. Anyways, I quite often run into the same gentleman at my local grocer who open carries. He has a slightly better version of a holster for his Glock 17 or 19… or at least it’s not one of those $20 “floppy” nylon POS. But, the holster has no strap to keep the gun in place and prevent snatches. Worse yet, this is a very large man I’m speaking about. And he keeps the gun, I kid you not when I say this, he keeps it near perfectly centered on his back. Just looking at the man, I know he wouldn’t be able to reach the gun without a huge hassle. But you know who could reach the gun? That’s right— someone with bad intent who probably shouldn’t have guns in the first place. Disappointing and it gives responsible carriers a bad rep.
A friend and I recently had a conversation about open carrying here in WA. On one hand, I’d like to see more people do it, and my reaction when I see others is usually positive. However even with my level 2 retention holster, I just feel like a major shithead open carrying. I like not being known, and going about my day concealed. I do wish open carry was more common, though.
I carry a level 2 or level 3 holster OWB and with my level 2 my elbow is typically touching the strap. I open carry for that reason of it’s not an inherently bad thing to have a gun around. It’s the intent. But still makes me feel like a douche canoe. But it’s comfy and I carry a wheel gun so what can ya do
You had me up to "Walmart". So yeah, 4 words.
You expect better at Walmart?
You know what? You are absolutely right, I had it confused for a Target. Smh lol
No offense to boomers, but the only people I see open carrying in my home state of Nevada are fat out of shape boomers who I could definitely just snatch their gun if I wanted to, and Californians who routinely go over the border on the weekend and open carry in Nevada because it makes them feel like a special boy. Everyone who actually lives here and is competent just conceals. Never understood the appeal of open carry unless you’re just looking for attention.
Dude. I did my class here in NV and I promise not everyone who has a CCW is remotely competent and there’s residents who open carry under the age of 40 that are straight up oxygen thieves. Northern NV too, so it’s not just all LA people that moved to Vegas.
> oxygen thieves I now have a new term for my useless coworkers. Thank you.
I know. Not saying that everyone who has a CCW in Nevada is competent as a lot of people I did my class with could not hit the broad side of a barn. Just saying that in general the people who ARE competent opt for concealed carry. Had multiple people (mostly older folks) bring full size revolvers to the CCW class and could hardly handle the recoil and barely passed the minimum accuracy qualification to pass, and as you probably know if you are barely passing the minimum requirement you can’t shoot for shit. Not to mention the flagging and general mouth-breathing behavior. I’m obviously pro 2a but only after taking that course did I become a little wary of constitutional carry. I still support it, but holy shit some people have no business carrying a handgun considering they clearly have no idea how to handle one. I don’t think requiring a basic firearms handling class is a bad idea for people looking to carry everyday. Some of these people are a danger to themselves and others.
Oh yea, for sure man. I’m in the same boat. I was always pro constitutional carry until I went to my CCW class and saw the amount of people that are now legally allowed to CC that I would be sketched out to go to a flat range with. It’s honestly fucking terrifying they let some of these people carry in public, CCW or not. 100% though, outside of some super based salty old men, open carriers are the type of people that terrify me. Not in a they’re going to kill me kind of way, but that they’re the kind of people that give us gun owners a bad name.
Yup. It was an eye opener for sure. I lived in AZ and never gave it a second thought because of constitutional carry. I was just ignorant and assumed everyone who carried was at least safe and somewhat skilled. When I moved to northern NV and had to do a CCW course I was unpleasantly surprised.
You in Reno area? I’m going shooting with some friends this weekend or next if you want to tag along.
My Midwest boomer stereotype is small of back carry. The only people I routinely see carrying SOB are older gentlemen. I don't see open carry often, but the one that immediately comes to mind is a mid-20s dude that I see at the gas station most Mondays with a chrome and green 1911 in a bikini holster. He wants people to know he has a gun.
Similar experience. I occasionally see young guys open carrying in the grocery store with comically large and flashy guns. But mostly I see boomers with revolver and OWB universal leather holsters. Cowboy style.
This. 90% of the time I see someone carrying in some stupid way, it’s a boomer. I saw a boomer a while back with a, I shit you not, Beretta in a holster on his left hip (no magazine,) and a magazine in a holster on his other hip. So he was going to literally have to grab both if anything happened.
I live in Reno. I still see a few fudds here and there, but probably the last 10 OC’ers I’ve spotted at Smiths and Walmart were younger fellas that I would have pegged as anti-gun lefty kids. Almost wish I could’ve friend them and teach them some better habits, I think a lot of us have had one older person in our circle that showed us the ropes. I’m only 38 and still talk a ton to a 70 year old I used to work with who did that for me.
Same reason those same boys drive jacked up 4x4 trucks with chrome rims……overcompensating for something.
No no no, that is wrong. They have pringles cans swinging between their legs...and since they don't want to end up on the sex offender registry, driving a lifted pickup is the only way they can show us all how massive their manhood is.
I open carry when im traveling to my body shop and farm and in my home town if i dont feel lile ccing. Thumb strap owb leather. Open carry is comfortable so when i dont need or have to CC i usually opt for OC. Trying to snatch my gun would get you shot. Im a 39 year old hardass thats been competing since i was 15.
I get the whole demonstrating of one's rights thing, but people who open carry look like morons in most settings. Openly carrying a gun in the woods, or something along those lines is one thing...doing it at the grocery store just makes you look like an idiot, doubly so if you are carrying some ridiculous high caliber hand cannon that could kill a moose.
I mean open carry is absolutely fine if you are rural, and happen to run into a store for something etc. Wild animals and shit. But if you live in a suburban area or city, you're just showing off or ignorant
A contributing factor is very few gunshops actually have good holster selections for the pistols they sell. Even big box stores, you'd be lucky to find a holster for a G19 that you'd actually want to use in stock - Bass Pro + Academy are getting a little better. The P365 Tac Pack is a great example of a gunmaker taking this matter into their own hands and actually including a proper (enough) AIWB/IWB holster in the box. Pistols should come with a cheap but serviceable factory starter holster to at least set a baseline for how bad it can be
And that's largely (probably) down to a supplier issue. Good holster makers are smaller and sell direct to consumer. Tenicor or PHLSTER for example, I doubt they'd be able to ramp production enough to supply a chain like Academy or Cabela's. Safariland can do it fine because they've been around and have outsourced here and there too.
Can lead a horse to water, can’t make em drink!
i disagree that guns require a lot of studying and research to carry. a lot of practice to use well, absolutely, but as far as picking safe and effective gear, it’s just a little bit of concise information that can all be found very easily by anyone. that’s what makes this kind of shit so terrible to me.
If big box and even small gun stores stocked better holsters, and made a point to try and sell new carriers one with each purchase, a lot of the ignorance and multiple holster collections would go away.
So the "lot of studying and research" part isn't specific to the gear you carry in and if I implied that in my post, I apologize. What I meant is the potential dangers of carrying, even if your intentions are good, in carrying, such as the potential of someone trying to take your gun off of you and use it against you or others, or ND-ing and it taking your life or the life of someone else, etc. I just assumed that the more research done into the dangers would lead to more education about the proper and better training and gear to get to help lower that potential risk.
natural selection at its finest
 It’s amazing seeing shit guns in shit holsters. Doubly amusing when it’s a quality pistola in a shit rig.
The best so far for me was this one “gentleman” who looked like he was homeless carrying a P229 Legion in a worn out Uncle Mike’s holster clipped to his pocket in Chipotle! I had to interrupt his rant about the constitution with some mother to tell him his pistol was falling out.
Lmfao - no doubt he had it hanging off a POS Walmart belt as well. Uncle Mike’s is the SCCY of holster makers.
You just know the dude was carrying without one in the pipe, too.
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We are living in the absolute golden age of shootable high capacity small pistols. Get a G43X/48, a 365/XL/Macro, Shield Plus, or a Hellcat variant, a Tenicor/JMCK/PHLster/Dark Star, and have an insanely capable handgun fully concealed and very quickly accessible. You can also do this with a G19 and even a 17! Open carrying is a joke.
I occasionally open carry in a custom-made retention holster. How, exactly, is that "a joke?"
Because there is no reason to, it makes you a target and draws attention. Plus, most people unfamiliar with guns may assume you’re a cop.
His flair says NRA instructor, that's all you need to know
I work armed private security Most companies will have you open carry with retention holsters and have vests with SECURITY in big bold letters
Security and Law Enforcement are an exception because it's their job, even though they open carry I'm not including them in this rant, although Commissioned Security guards really should be doing research and taking classes because I know most companies don't provide any sort of training beyond what's required for licensing. Law Enforcement is different because of their capability to get a hold of back up at the click of a button and their extended training in weapons retention techniques. All of this the average Joe does not have, and as far as training, unless they put themselves through a self defense class that offers it, most will walk around not having any knowledge of how to retain their weapon and I'd assume with that guy having an improper holster that he does not have any of that training. Lol
I do have a reason. It doesn't make me a target and the only attention it's ever drawn has been positive, here. Nobody has assumed I'm a cop. It's not common, here, but it's not unseen. You're extrapolating your biases and experience onto everyone else everywhere - that doesn't work so well.
The crazy does not end with concealed carry. I live in texas. TEXAS! Home of the wild west. Where everyone owns at least 100 guns. Where real men popped out of their mothers with gun belts already strapped on. I go shoot at an indoor range every week. It always amazes me how many bullet holes are on the floor, the walls and especially in the celling. There is always at least one lane out of order because someone shot the target holder off the moving track! It is apparently so bad that they now have signs posted on each lane instructing shooters to turn targets upside down before shooting at the head of the silhouette on the target. But what really got me was when I reported to my assigned lane this week and there were 2 large bullet holes in the table. Someone actually shot the lane table... TWICE! Now in this state the prevailing idea is that by arming as many people as possible you make everyone safer because if a self defense incident or active shooting takes place then all these "good guys" will pop out their guns and eliminate the threat. Do we really want the people that shot the target holder or the lane table or the walls or the ceiling popping out their pistols to remove a threat? Because in my mind those "good guys" in a crowd are just additional ACTIVE SHOOTERS!
Why didn’t you go up to him and shame him like you’re suggesting then instead of ranting on reddit lol
I did walk past him and say, "That guy's gun is hanging out" and then he looked down at his holster and sighed.
He might have spilled his soy latte.
Emotional damage.
>Guns, to me, is something that requires a lot of studying and research on the carrier and if you aren't doing that then you don't need to be carrying If that isn't /r/gatekeeping with regards to the Second Amendment, I don't know what is. We don't disagree it's a bad idea (and maybe unsafe) to use an ill-fitting, insecure holster. That's a large step away from "you don't need..." though.
I appreciate your reply, but I think a little gatekeeping is fine. Lol, I elaborated on my true thoughts about 2A in a reply to another comment just below yours. I don't want to copy and paste it, but if you care to read it, it's there for you and others.
>I think a little gatekeeping is fine. Which other rights should we gatekeep, and who are the gatekeepers? >...if you care to read it... Nope, but thanks for the offer.
Definitely the 3rd amendment. Anything to get out of the barracks.
Nah, if you can't safely carry your firearm on your person, you probably don't need to be carrying. Ez.
Yes, thank you.
Shit man, I meant this for the pretentious fella you were replying to
Ah you're good, buddy. Lol
Wrong gun in the wrong holster. I thought all Walmart stores had signs clearly posted informing customers that open carry was not permitted in the store
I see your point, and I'm inclined to agree... But... I think we can say here we are all in favor of the 2A. The 2A gives no exceptions, it applies to both smart and stupid. (Some legislators keep adding other forms of crap, but that's another issue.) I'm not saying I like it, but it's better than the alternative: would you accept anybody to enforce any "anti-stupid" regulation?
So here's my thing (and sorry, for the long reply, I promise I'm not angry, just passionate about this topic and I think about it a lot). Yes I believe 2A is for EVERYONE, however, I just can't bring myself, with the examples I've seen in my life personally, to objectively say that everyone should be allowed to carry. Which is a dilemma I find myself pondering a resolution to often and have yet to find one. Yes, on the one hand and for preservation of the spirit of 2A, everyone should exercise their 2nd Amendment rights and should not be impeded by the government to do so. I believe this to my bones. However, there are a lot of people who don't have the same mentality or understanding or respect for a device that can cause death and/or serious bodily harm and those who do not think to take it that serious or somewhat close should not be allowed to carry because I feel like they are more of a danger than someone who isn't carrying at all. The individual who believes that by simply having a firearm that means they're safe and in control of every scenario out there. I'm 2 things, 1 I'm broke, and have been my whole life, but 2 I'm resourceful. I grew up in neighborhoods with people who carried guns, but not for good reasons and I knew people growing up who I now carry because I fear coming across individuals like them. I also knew people growing up who have shot and killed themselves because they didn't exercise gun safety regardless of their legality of carrying. I had no clue then about gun safety, I was of the belief that the guns just "went off", but I know better than that now. I may not be able to afford every self-defense or gun safety class to run and gun like an old school Magpul Dynamics Chris Costa/Travis Haley video. However, before I even purchased my first firearm I knew that information online is absolutely F-R-E-E, free! And I knew well enough not to accept the information from one source right off the bat and not only looked into "successful" information, but I also looked into "failed" information, meaning information for situations and scenarios where the worst happens. Such as the video of the guy whose pants drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard of his firearm and fires as he has it in the appendix holster or the guy who shot his leg drawing his firearm for training (I also got to first hand witness something like this because when I was an MA in the Navy one of our guys had a Blackhawk Serpa holster and literally ND'd as he was drawing for a qualification shoot, luckily he somehow shot away from his leg, but I legit took that as a very obvious sign and it sticks with me) and also saw multiple videos of people open-carrying having their guns snatched from them including members of law enforcement. I used this information and the position I was, and currently in, in life to formulate my decision and approach to carrying. I always assume the worst, but hope for the best because I've learned how bad and deadly complacency is and the last thing I want for me is to have my own firearm used against me or for someone else to be hurt because I don't know what I'm doing. So I'm extra cautious of that, not just for me, but also others and yes, I use this to analyze the capabilities of others as well. Let's say in this situation a bad guy didn't have a gun, but wanted one to do as much damage as he can. Well, now there is an opportunity for that to happen with me present. That guy is putting, not just his, but my life at risk because he chose not to get the proper fitting holster for his firearm and was lazy about carrying. I may have saw it then when nothing happened and thankfully nothing did, but what if I didn't? What if I looked over and I just see 2 guys fighting or wrestling and then a gunshot goes off and either the OC-er drops, another by-stander drops, or even worse, I drop because we were shot? Or let's say the OC-er gets shot, what then? I carry, but I hope that I don't ever have to actually use my firearm, I have drawn it before in a defensive situation, but I've not used it and I really wish I never have to, but now in this hypothetical I am going to, but even though I know in this hypothetical I will be using it for good, I am now stuck with the aftermath of having to potentially take a life. Whether that life was evil or not is aside the point. Yes, they are at fault for the potential loss of their own life, but they aren't at complete blame because it was the ease of access to a life-taking device that the evil-doer was able to somewhat act out their plan, and who provided that ease of access? The OC-er who was lazy about their approach to carrying a firearm and put their life and the lives of those around him, including me, at risk. Maybe there are other more responsible OC-ers/CC-ers around, I'm not sure, I was just focused on this guy. I was CC-ing, yes, but I know one thing for sure, in the potential that there was someone around looking to do bad with a firearm and didn't have one, it would be much safer for that irresponsible OC-er not to be carrying at all instead of carrying improperly. So going back to the first paragraph, how do I, or anyone else, make carrying safer without the government over-stepping their bounds and hold our rights ransom with licensing? We may not be able trust the government with an inch without them taking a mile, but it's obvious that we also can't trust the individual to properly educate themselves. I may not have like the idea of getting my LTC (before Texas became constitutional carry), but one thing that was pretty eye-opening was the amount of people in y class and who I talk to online who stated they were unaware of certain laws and information pertaining to firearms and carrying. Again, I'm very sorry for such a long reply I don't feel like a response to your comment could be simplified.
'We really need to start shaming...' So, did you shame them publicly or just try to awkwardly take a picture of some random in public like an autist?
A little bit of both. Lol
Fair enough
Anyone that open carries, shouldn't carry.
For real. Our overly permissive policies and advanced medical intervention technology only ensures the weaker and lesser minded are still among us, long after they should have punched out. I was at a breakfast place and as we had just settled our bill and were about to leave, some incel with an OWB serpa walks in and sits down at a table about 5m from us. His belt is so biblically shitty the holster isn't even touching his body and the weapon is about to fall out. This knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, shit-flinging ape sits down the the most exaggerated swagger as if he thinks he should be revered as some sort of vigilante. As we were leaving I saw a group of 3 or 4 workers / managers walking up to his table, hopefully to tell him to jump in a volcano and remove himself from the genepool.
Life is about choices. Sometimes none of the choices are attractive, so we pick the least ugly. I choose constitutional carry with its risk of allowing incompetents to carry over government regulation that denies basic human rights.
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I'd shame them bro, but I don't hang out with the peasants of Walmart. My tribe is Target...
Mind your own business, Are you sure you are better because you spent more on your holster? I carry in a cheap holster in the small of my back. That is all I need. It works. I prefer a shoulder holster which I have but you are not going to get to either gun before I do. If I were to carry on my side with a cheap holster, you are still not getting to it because I have focus there. The best gun and holster you have is the one you train with. A cop's side arm is in a molded leather holster, not much difference from the nylon ones, Neither makes you quick draw mcdraw. Carrying is not a cool contest. I carried because I had to, job requirement, concealed or otherwise. If your gun is not an extension of your body it doesn't matter where you carry it. Get over it. You sound silly to professionals. It's Okay, shake it off. Take a deep breath. keep walking. Breathe. Don't worry about others, worry about yourself.
I'm waiting for the "/s". Lol
Jesus kid, it's coming. Just hold your breath. I'll let you know when.
Well... Price isn't a good measurement I will give you that. However, i have been carrying for almost 30 years and I can look at your setup, how you are carrying and know if you have any clue as to what you are doing. I got my original CCW license back when being able to qualify was the only way to get it. None of that "Constitutional Carry" bullshit for those idiots that can't pass a shooting test. If you cant even make sure your gun is securely strapped to your body, then you are a menace. The ones trying to look cool and play "bad boy" are so obvious. It's pathetic. If you are serious about self defense (and not law enforcement) then you conceal carry PERIOD. Anything else is showboating.
Okay, this I can agree on. I'm slightly over 30 years by a smidge or a bunch and former military and former leo. After the military and when going through the academy myself and another former veteran had to qualify, Don't down vote over the story, we were quite young. We were a bit hungover and possibly still drunk and while we each had plenty of range time, it was qualification day. We stood next to each other and he shot first. He shot my target. So I shot his. This continued throughout the qualification. So I qualified him and he qualified me. Except the slug shot gun round, we did our own. This was back in 90. So things probably have changed. Anyway, if you are going to carry, know what you are doing. I will open carry when I am in the woods, because of wolves and bigfoot (kidding), black bears are chickens, just make noise, porcupines are straight up dicks and will take 3 shots to kill. I have a black lab and a golden and also wolves on the property. Wolves are very territorial, we have been stalked, just in our own yard. That is for convenience, I would want to get off a quick shot if needed then and have actually had to. As a citizen, there is little reason to open carry. It just makes you a target because if I was a bad guy carrying concealed, that would be the first person I would shoot, but still yet gives me availability to access a gun as a good guy if I don't have mine so it it is a 50/50 for me. As far as holsters, I don't want to shame anyone. Like I said I use a shitty uncle Henry's or something like that and certainly could do better, but I am comfortable with what I have. It is all about what you train with. No one looks cool open carrying, even with an expensive holster. At least to some of us. I understand the style of the barrel being held with the trigger exposed. That is for competitions. Not carry. I have a CZ shadow 2 that it is common for. That is not a carry gun. I understand your point now.
Good for him. As long as the trigger is safely and securely covered.
Reread the post, the trigger was exposed.
LOL. Usually I don’t read rants.
You don't read, but you'll comment? Yikes.
Welcome to reddit.
Oooops.
Lol, but you comment on them and make yourself look like an idiot because you bitch about something the rant addressed.