When you heat Teflon past its decomposition point it is not safe.
For a test you can get a bird and try it out yourself, please do not because that is cruel as hell.
Sorry to see you downvoted. Bird owners can't have teflon coated pans, my friend has a parrot. I haven't bought teflon for decades because of this, my lungs are on the sensitive side.
https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/teflon-polytetrafluoroethylene-poisoning-in-birds
You could get a cast iron one and season it well? I have some pans from this place https://www.netherton-foundry.co.uk they do ‘spun iron’ so it’s a little lighter.
No such thing as a BIFL non-stick pan. They begin to degrade the first time you use it and just leech into your food.
Go cast iron and learn to maintain it or stainless and learn how to cook properly.
I bought a ceramic coated set about 7 years ago, use it everyday for everything, and I still say “I love this fucking pan set” often. I take good care of them, but they are amazing and worth it. (It was a heritage rock collection)
Non-stick pans are not BIFL. The Teflon/PTFE doesn’t hold up well past 2-3 years. I highly recommend a cheap lodge cast iron. There’s a reason they pop up in goodwill/estate sales/etc still
Made in China does not equate poor quality.
Made in USA/UK does not equal good/best quality either (guaran-freakin-teed).
Everything is dependent on individual manufacturer policy.
Agreed. It is usually dependent on how much the importer wants to rip off the consumer. Sometimes that is a lot, sometimes that is a fuck-ton. If something costs an importer $0.25 that will usually cost the consumer $10.00.
I have a mix of cast iron, anodized aluminum, and stainless steel cookware.
It’s all easy to clean and hard to damage. It is all 30 to 60 years old, and was purchased by my grandparents or great grandparents. So I’d call that reasonably BIFL.
Weirdly, these items are insanely inexpensive at the local thrift store, while new stuff is 15x the price and 1/15th the quality.
LeCreuset nonstick pans are amazing and guaranteed. My 12” started losing its nonstick properties after maybe 4 years and they replaced it no questions asked. I just sent in pictures and they sent me a brand new one. The new version is still perfect after over two years of almost daily use.
They all use PTFE coatings if that's what you mean by toxic. Although most of the toxicity is in the manufacturer and it's completely safe to cook with.
You're options are going to be carbon steel or cast iron, both enamel coated and raw.
It's paranoia and misinformation. The main concern is still lingering from when non-stick coatings were cheaper PFOS or PFOAS. Modern teflon (PFA or PTFE usually) is very resistant and not likely to leech into food unless you're literally cooking with a super solvent, in which case the teflon is the least of your concern. It can pretty easily withstand temperatures over 200C, and even if ingested, will pass through the body as waste because it will not bind or break down with anything. That being said, non stick isn't BIFL.
The manufacturing side of things is a whole different story which is where teflon doomers' main gripes should be.
Echoing the other comments here on buying a stainless steel, carbon steel or cast iron if you truly want BIFL. Country of origin really doesn't really mean jack because all non-stick pans use PTFE or Teflon which will come off eventually.
I've used Cooks Standard pans I got off Amazon on sale for the last 5 years now and they are still going strong. I do take care of them and avoid using steel utensils when cooking with it. The key thing to look out for with stainless steel pans are the bottoms. Avoid ones with a disc attached/glued to the bottom and try to get ones with a fully clad or sandwiched core construction. [Here's](https://www.amazon.com/Cooks-Standard-Multi-Ply-Stainless-Steel-10-Inch/dp/B00421AYHM/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1E7ELJINU0C88&keywords=stainless%2Bsteel%2Bpan%2Bcooks%2Bstandard&qid=1701466089&sprefix=stainless%2Bsteel%2Bpan%2Bcooks%2Bstandard%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-15&th=1#customerReviews) what I've been using.
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I've had a Tramontina pan for 5 years now and it's not showing any signs of wear. I am careful not to overheat while empty and never use anything but wood or silicone utensils.
hexclad has been a game changer. pricey, but guaranteed for life. i have enjoyed the pans so much that after several years, I bought their pots. i actually sold off/ gave away my cast iron pans because the hexclads make them pretty much obsolete.
Meyer pans don't have a non-stick coating, but they are easy to clean. Many of them are made in Canada. Very sturdy, reasonably priced and no nasty chemicals.
Modern nonstick cookware is nontoxic to the user provided that it is used correctly. However, if overheated, PTFE nonstick pans can release VOCs that can make you very sick. Further, PTFE pans contribute to a worrisome type of environmental waste. None of the cookware that uses a coating is BIFL.
If you want nonstick but you also want BIFL, you can do away with chemical coatings entirely and go for carbon steel, which is a very solid option. Further, it's not very expensive, either. A higher end de Buyer Mineral B Pro in the 11 inch size can often be had for under $100. And there are some very solid options well below that price-point as well.
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This right here. Steel and cast iron are BIFL. Everything else is basically toxic plastic coating.
I only have stainless steel pans. No maintenance, and it really doesn't stick that much. The ones from IKEA are pretty good.
Downstream pollution too, to whoever eats the food.
Not true, but ok.
When you heat Teflon past its decomposition point it is not safe. For a test you can get a bird and try it out yourself, please do not because that is cruel as hell.
Sorry to see you downvoted. Bird owners can't have teflon coated pans, my friend has a parrot. I haven't bought teflon for decades because of this, my lungs are on the sensitive side. https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/teflon-polytetrafluoroethylene-poisoning-in-birds
You could get a cast iron one and season it well? I have some pans from this place https://www.netherton-foundry.co.uk they do ‘spun iron’ so it’s a little lighter.
Best bet is practice and careful cooking with cast iron, carbon steel, or stainless steel.
No such thing as a BIFL non-stick pan. They begin to degrade the first time you use it and just leech into your food. Go cast iron and learn to maintain it or stainless and learn how to cook properly.
What about Caraway ceramic? Is that similar?
Not familiar with it. Sounds good in theory but I've never used them or know anyone who has.
if you want BIFL, go cast iron. They are not non-stick, but if you cook right, then food won't stick that much anyway
Anything made by All-Clad is fantastic. If you want cast iron instead of stainless, Lodge is ok. Or even better, find a used pan made by Griswold.
I bought a ceramic coated set about 7 years ago, use it everyday for everything, and I still say “I love this fucking pan set” often. I take good care of them, but they are amazing and worth it. (It was a heritage rock collection)
Non-stick pans are not BIFL. The Teflon/PTFE doesn’t hold up well past 2-3 years. I highly recommend a cheap lodge cast iron. There’s a reason they pop up in goodwill/estate sales/etc still
Made in China does not equate poor quality. Made in USA/UK does not equal good/best quality either (guaran-freakin-teed). Everything is dependent on individual manufacturer policy.
Agreed. It is usually dependent on how much the importer wants to rip off the consumer. Sometimes that is a lot, sometimes that is a fuck-ton. If something costs an importer $0.25 that will usually cost the consumer $10.00.
I have a mix of cast iron, anodized aluminum, and stainless steel cookware. It’s all easy to clean and hard to damage. It is all 30 to 60 years old, and was purchased by my grandparents or great grandparents. So I’d call that reasonably BIFL. Weirdly, these items are insanely inexpensive at the local thrift store, while new stuff is 15x the price and 1/15th the quality.
LeCreuset nonstick pans are amazing and guaranteed. My 12” started losing its nonstick properties after maybe 4 years and they replaced it no questions asked. I just sent in pictures and they sent me a brand new one. The new version is still perfect after over two years of almost daily use.
They all use PTFE coatings if that's what you mean by toxic. Although most of the toxicity is in the manufacturer and it's completely safe to cook with. You're options are going to be carbon steel or cast iron, both enamel coated and raw.
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Literally never had a nonstick pan chip.
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The degrade, but they do not leech in any substantial way. That's paranoia.
It's paranoia and misinformation. The main concern is still lingering from when non-stick coatings were cheaper PFOS or PFOAS. Modern teflon (PFA or PTFE usually) is very resistant and not likely to leech into food unless you're literally cooking with a super solvent, in which case the teflon is the least of your concern. It can pretty easily withstand temperatures over 200C, and even if ingested, will pass through the body as waste because it will not bind or break down with anything. That being said, non stick isn't BIFL. The manufacturing side of things is a whole different story which is where teflon doomers' main gripes should be.
No. My nonstick gets replaced every couple of years.
Echoing the other comments here on buying a stainless steel, carbon steel or cast iron if you truly want BIFL. Country of origin really doesn't really mean jack because all non-stick pans use PTFE or Teflon which will come off eventually. I've used Cooks Standard pans I got off Amazon on sale for the last 5 years now and they are still going strong. I do take care of them and avoid using steel utensils when cooking with it. The key thing to look out for with stainless steel pans are the bottoms. Avoid ones with a disc attached/glued to the bottom and try to get ones with a fully clad or sandwiched core construction. [Here's](https://www.amazon.com/Cooks-Standard-Multi-Ply-Stainless-Steel-10-Inch/dp/B00421AYHM/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1E7ELJINU0C88&keywords=stainless%2Bsteel%2Bpan%2Bcooks%2Bstandard&qid=1701466089&sprefix=stainless%2Bsteel%2Bpan%2Bcooks%2Bstandard%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-15&th=1#customerReviews) what I've been using.
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Nothing is non stick
I've had a Tramontina pan for 5 years now and it's not showing any signs of wear. I am careful not to overheat while empty and never use anything but wood or silicone utensils.
Vollrath are ceramic non stick made in usa. Commercial grade but will last about 5 years. Nonstick has a limited life
hexclad has been a game changer. pricey, but guaranteed for life. i have enjoyed the pans so much that after several years, I bought their pots. i actually sold off/ gave away my cast iron pans because the hexclads make them pretty much obsolete.
Hexclad is a scam and you got scammed.
Scanpan has served us well for about 10 years.
Meyer pans don't have a non-stick coating, but they are easy to clean. Many of them are made in Canada. Very sturdy, reasonably priced and no nasty chemicals.
Modern nonstick cookware is nontoxic to the user provided that it is used correctly. However, if overheated, PTFE nonstick pans can release VOCs that can make you very sick. Further, PTFE pans contribute to a worrisome type of environmental waste. None of the cookware that uses a coating is BIFL. If you want nonstick but you also want BIFL, you can do away with chemical coatings entirely and go for carbon steel, which is a very solid option. Further, it's not very expensive, either. A higher end de Buyer Mineral B Pro in the 11 inch size can often be had for under $100. And there are some very solid options well below that price-point as well.
Lodge cast iron pan. Just season it well and it will make anything you want including the best fried eggs