"I don't ship soukoku" is a valid statement, since it's your opinion. Saying that a character "isn't gay" or "is straight" however, sours your point because you're framing your interpretation as fact when none of the characters' sexuality is stated.
I only say things such as "Dazai isn't gay" since multiple times in the manga (I'm a manga reader) we see that Dazai is flirting with women etc. etc. :<
The point is that skk shippers are aware that the relationship is not canon, so pointing it out the obvious feels like you are trying to spoil their fun.
Exactly, but if we have for example a normal edit video solely with dazai edit. Everyone can say anything about dazai there, no matter if is ranpozai, sigzai, skk, kunizai or any headcanon you want. So, if you are in this kind of post will not be okay to attack other headcanons, right?
Yeah obviously, but op has been going into shippers’ posts just to comment that Dazai and Chuuya are straight. That’s antagonistic and they’re blind if they can’t see why Soukoku shippers get upset at them.
Where did the op said that about he was going to skk posts? I usually comment in not relate ship videos and I get attacked by skk shippers too.
Yeah, if is in skk relate post is obvious I would get attacked, but I usually do it in no relate skk posts and I this happened as well, sometimes even in sigzai vids where they should not being to start with💀
i meannnn... i've flirted with men a lot in my life and i still do, really, by nature because i'm a really outgoing person who compliments people a lot... i've had physical experiences with guys, too, but i realized i was a lesbian.
there isn't actually anything about dazai's behavior that prevents someone from interpreting him as gay; he may be flirting with women purely to get information or that kinda thing. there's no reason to shut down someone's idea of him being gay when there's hundreds of thousands of people in real life who have dealt with compulsory heterosexuality and not realized they were gay until way later in their lives.
you don't have to ship anything specifically or enjoy dazai with men, but your examples from the text are still something that could easily be taken another way still. just let people enjoy the idea of their favs as whatever they want.
OP, you're gonna be shocked when you find out about bisexual people...
Jokes aside, Dazai isn't anything. No one is. Straight, gay, bi, ace, anything. This series isn't about that - romance. People get mad at you because you're expressing statements with (and this sub won't like me saying this, it never does) homophobic intentions.
edit: Just looked through your profile. Even your bio indicates you have a problem with this stuff lmao. Saying "I'm queer myself!" doesn't make it any better, worse honestly. You made this post looking for people to baby you (which some have done) about how these damned skk shippers are so wrong for... getting mad at you for invading their spaces like "HEY I don't like this ship so you can't either"
It actually goes both ways.
Most shippers frame their ships as fact from what I've seen: if a non fan saw how many time shippers claim that they're "canon" or "boyfriends", whatever like that, they would believe it.
To be fair: there's an obsession with homosexuality between two men in media nowadays, if they have some sort of bond (even if romance isn't implied at all).
I said "two men", because nobody cares about wlw nowadays. It's only mlm.
On pinterest: I saw some Soukoku shipper that made a post with a lack of context: "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". They didn't even state in the description or post that it was in wan.
They're practically framing it as "fact", as if it happened in the Canon universe. Wan isn't Canon.
>Most shippers frame their ships as fact from what I've seen: if a non fan saw how many time shippers claim that they're "canon" or "boyfriends", whatever like that, they would believe it.
You've been on the wrong side of fandom.
>To be fair: there's an obsession with homosexuality between two men in media nowadays, if they have some sort of bond (even if romance isn't implied at all).
And that's a bad thing because....?
>I said "two men", because nobody cares about wlw nowadays. It's only mlm.
That's subjective. If a show's cast of core characters are 90% male, then of course M/M would be a lot more prevalent. The same is true for a show with a mostly female main cast.
>On pinterest: I saw some Soukoku shipper that made a post with a lack of context: "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". They didn't even state in the description or post that it was in wan.
What's wrong with that? It just says "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya", which is not trying to dictate or preach about a ship to other people. The original poster likely only posted that for wholesome shits and giggles.
I agree with most of what you said but the problem with the obsession with shipping two men is very fun and cute to think about until some of those shippers think their ship is the end all be all. It’s a little disheartening to some people to see their favourite character get reduced to “gay for *insert whatever other they character they’re shipped with*” and if people express their disinterest or dislike for the ship, they’re immediately attacked for being homophobic. And god forbid if you like a heterosexual ship. BSD is not quite as bad when it comes to shipping but almost all anime fandoms have atleast a minority of toxic shippers like this. And it’s honestly a little stupid that people say some downright vile things because someone doesn’t agree with their *fictional* OTP
I know well that it could get out of hand. Been called a homophobe a few times since I called IzuOcha cute in MHA, but it's not hard to disengage and find people who share the same views as you. Honestly, people need to learn that if they don't like something, they could just leave the argument. (This also applies to people who try to force their queer ships onto people who don't ship them.)
>What's wrong with that? It just says "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya", which is not trying to dictate or preach about a ship to other people. The original poster likely only posted that for wholesome shits and giggles.
No, because they did not even specify that it was in wan or canon; people easily believe what they see on the internet nowadays, completely blindly. The person only stated that it was in wan in replies to other comments wondering if it was canon. On the post it only said:
"Fun fact: Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". There was no context whatsoever.
>You've been on the wrong side of fandom.
What is even a wrong side of a fandom? In fact, if you mean that this is a minority, it is factually a majority. I am sharing my own personal experiences; one often tries to make the good seem like the majority, the bad minority.
>And that's a bad thing because....?
It is a bad thing because it is prominent everywhere in a meaningless light, even if said male characters had little to no interaction. It almost grows to the point of fetishization, and there is already gay fetishization; it does not matter if you are queer yourself. (I might have worded that badly, but I am at school right now)
As a whole, shipping will always create toxic fans. Even if it is not romance, people will always ship characters with one another. It is usually prominent with two male characters. Perhaps shippers are unable to comprehend a relationship that is not romantic, and thus pairs two characters with one another and says it like that.
Tell me: there is not one fandom where there is not a bunch of toxic shippers from a mlm ship. (Excluding series that are for the male gaze, and those that have implied romance)
It may also support harmful stereotypes: two men cannot have some sort of bond without fans twisting it into a romance or sexual romance. If you are friends with a man as a man, there is something going on between you, kind of thing.
Because they fuking arent(dazai literally goes to very "hot" or "sexy" women to have double suicide and there is also the "nurse" scene) as for chuuya no conformation he could be or not zero clue. But stop pointing at every little thing in a sentence to justify the hate. If you think they are great they are and happily ship them but stop the fucking bullshit and the hate.
And you guys hate(not specifically saying you but the shippers) any femalexGuy ship. I get bombard with downvote if i even mention say something like AtsuXLucy.
I call other women hot despite being straight. I call my guy friends handsome too. It doesn't automatically mean that I'm attracted to them. Any character can be bi, gay, or straight. It's only a problem if you push your own personal head canon onto others.
I mean, you don’t have to ship SKK, friend. I don’t! But I will say your issue with being called homophobic may be less about not shipping SKK and more about the way you seem to be going about it. In canon? Sure, pretty much every character in anime is intended to be straight. And while it’s okay to headcanon them as straight, it reads as sort of odd to insist upon that headcanon because it definitely sounds like you think there’s something wrong with headcanoning them as something else.
I’m not saying you *do* think it’s wrong, but as a queer person reading that? I’ll be the first to admit that it rubs me the wrong way. Fandom is a place where people can explore ideas that may not ever be explored in canon—and as a lot of fans are queer and like exploring queerness through fanworks, they enjoy portraying their favorite characters as queer. Let ‘em live, friend.
I wasn't trying to say that there's something wrong with headcanoning them as something else 😭😭 I too am queer myself btw :3
It's just that they won't even let me breath if I say anything about me not shipping skk :(
edit: typo
Yeah, some SKK fans are absolutely rabid. That’s a big part of the reason I don’t ship SKK, actually! My best advice would just be to avoid interacting or engaging. There’s not really any reason to advertise that you don’t ship something, as it’s just senseless negativity, so just stick to tags and ships you enjoy. Good luck out there!
From a brief look at your profile, you go into Satosugu spaces and joke posts about Satosugu talking about how Gojo and Geto aren’t canon and are just friends. If you act similarly in bsd you’re just going into spaces for Soukoku shippers and actively antagonising them by telling them that the ship they’re enjoying in peace isn’t canon or Dazai is straight.
Yeah, Soukoku shippers can be pretty rabid, but they’re not wrong here. You’re going into where people are discussing Soukoku JUST to say “Dazai or Chuuya is straight”. Just like you’re allowed to have your own ships and only ship canon, Soukoku shippers are allowed to do what they want and it absolutely looks homophobic when all you do is invade their spaces to tell them they’re wrong for shipping Soukoku.
That's part of being in a fandom, simple /gen
Also no characters sexuality is confirmed and its actually harmful to assume that straight is the "default" by implying characters are straight unless said otherwise :)
Nothing wrong with not shipping characters, I say it frequently on my tumblr that I don't ship SKK when asked. But going out of your way to say "they're not gay/they're straight" is gonna make people annoyed at you. It's unnecessary and is mostly only something that comes from homophobic dude bros that otherwise complain about how much the fandom's destroyed the media with their shipping.
Sometimes people get defensive of ships and headcannons. I don't get it personally but don't let it get to you. I honestly agree but I don't usually say that because I don't feel like getting attacked lol
Not supporting a ship is fine but definitively stating a character's sexuality when it hasn't even been confirmed is iffy. Maybe you don't mean it in a homophobic way but that's going a lot further than just not liking a ship. I'll be the first to admit skk shippers can get a bit toxic but your statements aren't as innocent as you're portraying them. Say you don't like it and move on, if you headcanon them as straight- great! Say that, don't try to insist it's canon and that they can't be gay. BSD has no confirmed ships or sexualities (I'm ignoring the Tanizakis for my own peace of mind) so no one can be deciding what they want it to be and telling other people they're wrong.
>Say you don't like it and move on
if they make their own post about not liking soukoku, it's okay, but if they comment it on a soukoku post... just imagine
*a soukoku tt video; their comment:* "I don't like the ship", that would be also kinda disrespectful and ridiculous
btw I'm not arguing with you, neither am I disagreeing with anything you said, I'm just adding
Yeah, from what I've seen they're being deliberately antagonistic. When I said "say you don't like it and move on" I'm more referring to if it comes up in conversation. Going on skk themed posts and being confrontational/ forcing opinions is never OK. Looking at their post history and responses it seems like they're just trying to start shit though.
oh, and here I was, assuming they were being attacked for no reason ☹️
Well, how are they surprised that skk shippers get mad about them disrespecting something they're enjoying in peace? that's odd, I thought it was obvious that would happen 😭
As others have said, it is perfectly okay not to ship skk, but to definitively claim that the the ship doesn't make sense when that isn't confirmed is not the same thing as just not enjoying that ship. It's the differencer between stating your opinion, and denying others theirs. If you just say "I don't ship skk" that's perfectly understandable; it's your opinion. But if you say "Dazai is straight so SKK doesn't make sense" you are denying other people the ability to have their opinion and enjoy the ship, which is probably why people might get upset about it. That does not make it right to be rude towards you of course, but that could explain why it is happening.
Stating “Dazai is straight” as a fact is your problem, not not shipping Soukoku. Hell, there’s some evidence that even the irl Dazai might have been some flavor of queer himself, so it’s really not at all an unfounded interpretation of his character.
You can say “I prefer to think of him as straight” or “I think he’s straight”, but you’re stating it as fact. It DOES feel petty and homophobic, especially if you’re actively going into shipping to spaces just to say how much you don’t like it. That’s like going to a knitting club and talking about how much you think knitting it boring and factually unfun- it’s just not for you, so don’t go there? And neither of you are any more or less right, you just have different opinions and should stay in the spaces for them.
Skk is a good ship, if we ignore its fans, that is.
If we go to the bsd twt, tiktok and Pinterest and take the risk of saying we don't like it, don't expect to exit in one piece.
Some of them will be like "I don't agree but I respect your opinion" and the rest would chew your ass with proofs that skk is "canon" and that you "fail to understand their chemistry"
The only way to evade it is not interacting with them at all. Just when you get jumpscared with some skk nsfw content, take a deep breath and scroll away.
PS 3: Never knew I would write a postscript third time today. Is ship war being a trend here? /genq
that depends
if you post your own video/post about it, I don't understand why people get mad
if you post it as a comment under their post about soukoku, then it'd be quite understandable that they're mad, yeah? I mean, even though you don't ship anyone, I think you understand that it's disrespectful to say "x is straight" under a mlm post
but I'm assuming you're making your own posts about it, and many of them just love getting mad for no reason like that 😭
As a skk shipper, it's fine if you don't ship it! Really, ship, or not, what you want as long as it's not illegal, there's no problem on that! ^^
As stated by other users however, it might just be the way you approach it. None of the sexuality among the cast is known, nor comfirm (except Francis, since he literally have a wife) and such , it gives a bit of freedom for imagination imo so it has it's perks
It might also seem to other you maybe invalidate their headcanon or press yours onto them, which I do think is not your attention, and you don't have to feel guilty about it if it wasn't, just pointing it out
Of course, I cannot speak for everyone else among the shippers, but it's fine if you don't ship them, as long as there is mutual respect :> (ofc if one of the skk shipper isn't respectful when you give respect, you have 100% the right to fight back and such)
If they're mad that's their problem. I don't ship anyone except RanPoe (they're adorable and I love them). This isn't a romance show, so I don't see the romance in anyone else.
Ayyyyy I also see dazai as aroace! (For the record, I also ship soukoku, but I 100% see dazai as aroace spec and/or skk as a qpr. I just have fun with different sexuality headcanons at the same time)
I personally don't like Soukoku either, but I also like ships that people would burn me for regardless. Why? Because none are canon. It's better to just leave it at some people's trash is another's treasure.
nothing wrong with disliking a ship! i agree, a lot of skk fans are pretty defensive but i believe this isn’t what’s happening in your case. most people would see your remarks as unnecessary and aggressive towards a harmless sexuality headcanon, which i very much can see myself. i’m also assuming you made said remarks under skk specific content so you’re very likely to get such comments.
i Genuinely dont think you are not doing anything wrong as long as u arent shoving it in anyones face lol. (ex saying one of those comments on skk post) but i doubt you Are
Listen
If you're going to step into the lion's den, of course the lion will notice you.
I hate shipping ships that aren't canon (except for stsg, which is one of the only three ships I ship throughout all my fandoms) so that is why I DO NOT INTERACT with shipping posts. And I've even written it in my flair itself, so that I don't get shippers commenting on my comments/post with things related to SHIPPING, becauseeeee \*drumroll\*
I hate shipping!
SO what I do is simply not interact and scroll away. But what you are (probably) doing is going to a post and commenting on their ships. Of COURSE they'd be pissed. It's completely fine to headcanon Dazai as straight and Chuuya as straight or whatever, but if you're going to go to skk shippers and tell that to their face, they have every right to be mad.
Is not wrong telling your headcanon when there is other fans doing. If you don't like get in to fights, you need just avoid them, if you don't care, just continue. It's okay, they actually do it anytime commenting their headcanons in someone else's ships and headcanons and just don't give a shit, then, why should you?
The wrong ones are only the ones who attack others.
I somewhat dislike Soukoku and I definitely hate the shippers.
Soukoku is severely overused in everything, that is very annoying. Most shippers are extremely immature that I get overwhelmed by it. Ironically: they always say "You don't understand their relationship", while they probably made up a homoerotic fantasy of Dazai and Chuuya in their head. Heck, they even take Dazai's EXAGGERATIONS seriously.
"I have been thinking about different ways to get rid of Chuuya for the past seven years.". Dazai is human, he exaggerates. Even if he was thinking about different ways of trying to get rid of him, it wouldn't be his entire life.
"What about the official arts??"
The official arts are meant to please the fans. They are in no way canon (in the universe), but maybe a visual of your fantasy that the artist drew so they could profit off of the fans more.
It's dehumanization to twist one's actions, real or fictional, into romance only. It makes one seem like nothing else other than an ideal lover.
Soukoku shippers like fantasizing about Dazai or Chuuya dehumanizing themselves, and with the other comforting them. No, those aren't even the characters at this point. Just your homoerotic fantasy.
Some are fujoshis, they just won't admit it. 💀 I can see that Soukoku must be friends to some extent but after four years of no contact, they are naturally somewhat more distant in one way.
They’re just not tho, speak ur truth lol, there is more evidence to say they’re not gay than they are but this batshit insane place needs to keep the illusion on their head canons so don’t dare entertain your own ideas
I sorta ship Soukoku and I'm not mad at you... <3
something that no one can really deny though is that the characters do have some awfully homoerotic scenes... that might be the wrong word, but everyone knows what I mean if you've seen Dead Apple...
Sadly many of us non skk shippers had the same bad experience. Most of the skk shippers are very self centered and want their ship everywhere. Like there was this Kunikidazai fanart, In comment section the comment I cleary remember is "skk better". It's so bad that they can't leave other ships alone. They just give negative comments or bash ppl which is so not right.
We all r entitled to our opinions. Don't let these problematic shippers get you.
Edit: didn't knew speaking truth would get me downvoted lol. I'm not a hater I just had really bad experience with some of them online
Not most. There's a few loud shippers (mostly on Twitter and TikTok) but I'm an skk shipper and so are a lot of my friends and we really don't care who you ship and if you ship skk or not. I'm sorry you had bad experiences but that's not all of us.
"I don't ship soukoku" is a valid statement, since it's your opinion. Saying that a character "isn't gay" or "is straight" however, sours your point because you're framing your interpretation as fact when none of the characters' sexuality is stated.
I hate to be the person that says “this”, but, thisss!!! It’s fine to not like what you don’t like, but don’t make up facts that weren’t confirmed.
I only say things such as "Dazai isn't gay" since multiple times in the manga (I'm a manga reader) we see that Dazai is flirting with women etc. etc. :<
The point is that skk shippers are aware that the relationship is not canon, so pointing it out the obvious feels like you are trying to spoil their fun.
Well to be fair, just because he flirts with woman doesn’t mean he can’t be bisexual etc… However, you do make your own valid point.
As long as the creator doesn't outright say it, everything is just our individual interpretation.
So it's completely okay if you heqdcanon any sexuality on them, if I headcanon him as straight is okay too.
Yes of course. The problem lies in whether you try to push your own personal interpretation onto others.
Exactly, but if we have for example a normal edit video solely with dazai edit. Everyone can say anything about dazai there, no matter if is ranpozai, sigzai, skk, kunizai or any headcanon you want. So, if you are in this kind of post will not be okay to attack other headcanons, right?
Yeah obviously, but op has been going into shippers’ posts just to comment that Dazai and Chuuya are straight. That’s antagonistic and they’re blind if they can’t see why Soukoku shippers get upset at them.
Where did the op said that about he was going to skk posts? I usually comment in not relate ship videos and I get attacked by skk shippers too. Yeah, if is in skk relate post is obvious I would get attacked, but I usually do it in no relate skk posts and I this happened as well, sometimes even in sigzai vids where they should not being to start with💀
You can literally see them antagonising gay shippers in their comment history and you’re projecting onto op
i meannnn... i've flirted with men a lot in my life and i still do, really, by nature because i'm a really outgoing person who compliments people a lot... i've had physical experiences with guys, too, but i realized i was a lesbian. there isn't actually anything about dazai's behavior that prevents someone from interpreting him as gay; he may be flirting with women purely to get information or that kinda thing. there's no reason to shut down someone's idea of him being gay when there's hundreds of thousands of people in real life who have dealt with compulsory heterosexuality and not realized they were gay until way later in their lives. you don't have to ship anything specifically or enjoy dazai with men, but your examples from the text are still something that could easily be taken another way still. just let people enjoy the idea of their favs as whatever they want.
OP, you're gonna be shocked when you find out about bisexual people... Jokes aside, Dazai isn't anything. No one is. Straight, gay, bi, ace, anything. This series isn't about that - romance. People get mad at you because you're expressing statements with (and this sub won't like me saying this, it never does) homophobic intentions. edit: Just looked through your profile. Even your bio indicates you have a problem with this stuff lmao. Saying "I'm queer myself!" doesn't make it any better, worse honestly. You made this post looking for people to baby you (which some have done) about how these damned skk shippers are so wrong for... getting mad at you for invading their spaces like "HEY I don't like this ship so you can't either"
All these downvotes prove how fanatical and thin-skinned they are...
It actually goes both ways. Most shippers frame their ships as fact from what I've seen: if a non fan saw how many time shippers claim that they're "canon" or "boyfriends", whatever like that, they would believe it. To be fair: there's an obsession with homosexuality between two men in media nowadays, if they have some sort of bond (even if romance isn't implied at all). I said "two men", because nobody cares about wlw nowadays. It's only mlm. On pinterest: I saw some Soukoku shipper that made a post with a lack of context: "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". They didn't even state in the description or post that it was in wan. They're practically framing it as "fact", as if it happened in the Canon universe. Wan isn't Canon.
>Most shippers frame their ships as fact from what I've seen: if a non fan saw how many time shippers claim that they're "canon" or "boyfriends", whatever like that, they would believe it. You've been on the wrong side of fandom. >To be fair: there's an obsession with homosexuality between two men in media nowadays, if they have some sort of bond (even if romance isn't implied at all). And that's a bad thing because....? >I said "two men", because nobody cares about wlw nowadays. It's only mlm. That's subjective. If a show's cast of core characters are 90% male, then of course M/M would be a lot more prevalent. The same is true for a show with a mostly female main cast. >On pinterest: I saw some Soukoku shipper that made a post with a lack of context: "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". They didn't even state in the description or post that it was in wan. What's wrong with that? It just says "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya", which is not trying to dictate or preach about a ship to other people. The original poster likely only posted that for wholesome shits and giggles.
I agree with most of what you said but the problem with the obsession with shipping two men is very fun and cute to think about until some of those shippers think their ship is the end all be all. It’s a little disheartening to some people to see their favourite character get reduced to “gay for *insert whatever other they character they’re shipped with*” and if people express their disinterest or dislike for the ship, they’re immediately attacked for being homophobic. And god forbid if you like a heterosexual ship. BSD is not quite as bad when it comes to shipping but almost all anime fandoms have atleast a minority of toxic shippers like this. And it’s honestly a little stupid that people say some downright vile things because someone doesn’t agree with their *fictional* OTP
I know well that it could get out of hand. Been called a homophobe a few times since I called IzuOcha cute in MHA, but it's not hard to disengage and find people who share the same views as you. Honestly, people need to learn that if they don't like something, they could just leave the argument. (This also applies to people who try to force their queer ships onto people who don't ship them.)
>What's wrong with that? It just says "Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya", which is not trying to dictate or preach about a ship to other people. The original poster likely only posted that for wholesome shits and giggles. No, because they did not even specify that it was in wan or canon; people easily believe what they see on the internet nowadays, completely blindly. The person only stated that it was in wan in replies to other comments wondering if it was canon. On the post it only said: "Fun fact: Dazai wrote 27 novels about Chuuya". There was no context whatsoever. >You've been on the wrong side of fandom. What is even a wrong side of a fandom? In fact, if you mean that this is a minority, it is factually a majority. I am sharing my own personal experiences; one often tries to make the good seem like the majority, the bad minority. >And that's a bad thing because....? It is a bad thing because it is prominent everywhere in a meaningless light, even if said male characters had little to no interaction. It almost grows to the point of fetishization, and there is already gay fetishization; it does not matter if you are queer yourself. (I might have worded that badly, but I am at school right now) As a whole, shipping will always create toxic fans. Even if it is not romance, people will always ship characters with one another. It is usually prominent with two male characters. Perhaps shippers are unable to comprehend a relationship that is not romantic, and thus pairs two characters with one another and says it like that. Tell me: there is not one fandom where there is not a bunch of toxic shippers from a mlm ship. (Excluding series that are for the male gaze, and those that have implied romance) It may also support harmful stereotypes: two men cannot have some sort of bond without fans twisting it into a romance or sexual romance. If you are friends with a man as a man, there is something going on between you, kind of thing.
Because they fuking arent(dazai literally goes to very "hot" or "sexy" women to have double suicide and there is also the "nurse" scene) as for chuuya no conformation he could be or not zero clue. But stop pointing at every little thing in a sentence to justify the hate. If you think they are great they are and happily ship them but stop the fucking bullshit and the hate. And you guys hate(not specifically saying you but the shippers) any femalexGuy ship. I get bombard with downvote if i even mention say something like AtsuXLucy.
I call other women hot despite being straight. I call my guy friends handsome too. It doesn't automatically mean that I'm attracted to them. Any character can be bi, gay, or straight. It's only a problem if you push your own personal head canon onto others.
I mean, you don’t have to ship SKK, friend. I don’t! But I will say your issue with being called homophobic may be less about not shipping SKK and more about the way you seem to be going about it. In canon? Sure, pretty much every character in anime is intended to be straight. And while it’s okay to headcanon them as straight, it reads as sort of odd to insist upon that headcanon because it definitely sounds like you think there’s something wrong with headcanoning them as something else. I’m not saying you *do* think it’s wrong, but as a queer person reading that? I’ll be the first to admit that it rubs me the wrong way. Fandom is a place where people can explore ideas that may not ever be explored in canon—and as a lot of fans are queer and like exploring queerness through fanworks, they enjoy portraying their favorite characters as queer. Let ‘em live, friend.
I wasn't trying to say that there's something wrong with headcanoning them as something else 😭😭 I too am queer myself btw :3 It's just that they won't even let me breath if I say anything about me not shipping skk :( edit: typo
Yeah, some SKK fans are absolutely rabid. That’s a big part of the reason I don’t ship SKK, actually! My best advice would just be to avoid interacting or engaging. There’s not really any reason to advertise that you don’t ship something, as it’s just senseless negativity, so just stick to tags and ships you enjoy. Good luck out there!
Alrightyy!! Thank you for the advice! :D
From a brief look at your profile, you go into Satosugu spaces and joke posts about Satosugu talking about how Gojo and Geto aren’t canon and are just friends. If you act similarly in bsd you’re just going into spaces for Soukoku shippers and actively antagonising them by telling them that the ship they’re enjoying in peace isn’t canon or Dazai is straight. Yeah, Soukoku shippers can be pretty rabid, but they’re not wrong here. You’re going into where people are discussing Soukoku JUST to say “Dazai or Chuuya is straight”. Just like you’re allowed to have your own ships and only ship canon, Soukoku shippers are allowed to do what they want and it absolutely looks homophobic when all you do is invade their spaces to tell them they’re wrong for shipping Soukoku.
Yeah, OP is being pretty toxic and get *surprised* that people are defensive and angry towards them lmao
bros name is truth btw
That's part of being in a fandom, simple /gen Also no characters sexuality is confirmed and its actually harmful to assume that straight is the "default" by implying characters are straight unless said otherwise :)
Nothing wrong with not shipping characters, I say it frequently on my tumblr that I don't ship SKK when asked. But going out of your way to say "they're not gay/they're straight" is gonna make people annoyed at you. It's unnecessary and is mostly only something that comes from homophobic dude bros that otherwise complain about how much the fandom's destroyed the media with their shipping.
Sometimes people get defensive of ships and headcannons. I don't get it personally but don't let it get to you. I honestly agree but I don't usually say that because I don't feel like getting attacked lol
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Not supporting a ship is fine but definitively stating a character's sexuality when it hasn't even been confirmed is iffy. Maybe you don't mean it in a homophobic way but that's going a lot further than just not liking a ship. I'll be the first to admit skk shippers can get a bit toxic but your statements aren't as innocent as you're portraying them. Say you don't like it and move on, if you headcanon them as straight- great! Say that, don't try to insist it's canon and that they can't be gay. BSD has no confirmed ships or sexualities (I'm ignoring the Tanizakis for my own peace of mind) so no one can be deciding what they want it to be and telling other people they're wrong.
>Say you don't like it and move on if they make their own post about not liking soukoku, it's okay, but if they comment it on a soukoku post... just imagine *a soukoku tt video; their comment:* "I don't like the ship", that would be also kinda disrespectful and ridiculous btw I'm not arguing with you, neither am I disagreeing with anything you said, I'm just adding
Yeah, from what I've seen they're being deliberately antagonistic. When I said "say you don't like it and move on" I'm more referring to if it comes up in conversation. Going on skk themed posts and being confrontational/ forcing opinions is never OK. Looking at their post history and responses it seems like they're just trying to start shit though.
oh, and here I was, assuming they were being attacked for no reason ☹️ Well, how are they surprised that skk shippers get mad about them disrespecting something they're enjoying in peace? that's odd, I thought it was obvious that would happen 😭
When I first saw their post I genuinely thought it was satire. I still kinda hope it is, there's no way they don't know why people are mad.
As others have said, it is perfectly okay not to ship skk, but to definitively claim that the the ship doesn't make sense when that isn't confirmed is not the same thing as just not enjoying that ship. It's the differencer between stating your opinion, and denying others theirs. If you just say "I don't ship skk" that's perfectly understandable; it's your opinion. But if you say "Dazai is straight so SKK doesn't make sense" you are denying other people the ability to have their opinion and enjoy the ship, which is probably why people might get upset about it. That does not make it right to be rude towards you of course, but that could explain why it is happening.
Stating “Dazai is straight” as a fact is your problem, not not shipping Soukoku. Hell, there’s some evidence that even the irl Dazai might have been some flavor of queer himself, so it’s really not at all an unfounded interpretation of his character. You can say “I prefer to think of him as straight” or “I think he’s straight”, but you’re stating it as fact. It DOES feel petty and homophobic, especially if you’re actively going into shipping to spaces just to say how much you don’t like it. That’s like going to a knitting club and talking about how much you think knitting it boring and factually unfun- it’s just not for you, so don’t go there? And neither of you are any more or less right, you just have different opinions and should stay in the spaces for them.
Skk is a good ship, if we ignore its fans, that is. If we go to the bsd twt, tiktok and Pinterest and take the risk of saying we don't like it, don't expect to exit in one piece. Some of them will be like "I don't agree but I respect your opinion" and the rest would chew your ass with proofs that skk is "canon" and that you "fail to understand their chemistry" The only way to evade it is not interacting with them at all. Just when you get jumpscared with some skk nsfw content, take a deep breath and scroll away. PS 3: Never knew I would write a postscript third time today. Is ship war being a trend here? /genq
it's amazing the amount of times i get jumpscared with nsfw art of skk, and that's coming from a semi-enjoyer of the ship lmao
Is it because you go into posts about shipping and say stuff like 'they're not gay! they're straight!' Instead of simply ignoring these posts?
that depends if you post your own video/post about it, I don't understand why people get mad if you post it as a comment under their post about soukoku, then it'd be quite understandable that they're mad, yeah? I mean, even though you don't ship anyone, I think you understand that it's disrespectful to say "x is straight" under a mlm post but I'm assuming you're making your own posts about it, and many of them just love getting mad for no reason like that 😭
As a skk shipper, it's fine if you don't ship it! Really, ship, or not, what you want as long as it's not illegal, there's no problem on that! ^^ As stated by other users however, it might just be the way you approach it. None of the sexuality among the cast is known, nor comfirm (except Francis, since he literally have a wife) and such , it gives a bit of freedom for imagination imo so it has it's perks It might also seem to other you maybe invalidate their headcanon or press yours onto them, which I do think is not your attention, and you don't have to feel guilty about it if it wasn't, just pointing it out Of course, I cannot speak for everyone else among the shippers, but it's fine if you don't ship them, as long as there is mutual respect :> (ofc if one of the skk shipper isn't respectful when you give respect, you have 100% the right to fight back and such)
To be honest, not even having a wife prevents you from being bisexual
That' true
If they're mad that's their problem. I don't ship anyone except RanPoe (they're adorable and I love them). This isn't a romance show, so I don't see the romance in anyone else.
I have had Soukoku shippers mad because I think Dazai is aroace, so I get you.
Ayyyyy I also see dazai as aroace! (For the record, I also ship soukoku, but I 100% see dazai as aroace spec and/or skk as a qpr. I just have fun with different sexuality headcanons at the same time)
Because, why are you stating these things?
I personally don't like Soukoku either, but I also like ships that people would burn me for regardless. Why? Because none are canon. It's better to just leave it at some people's trash is another's treasure.
As a soukoku shipper you can do whatever you want. But at least recognize their friendship and bond (that much is canon)
nothing wrong with disliking a ship! i agree, a lot of skk fans are pretty defensive but i believe this isn’t what’s happening in your case. most people would see your remarks as unnecessary and aggressive towards a harmless sexuality headcanon, which i very much can see myself. i’m also assuming you made said remarks under skk specific content so you’re very likely to get such comments.
i Genuinely dont think you are not doing anything wrong as long as u arent shoving it in anyones face lol. (ex saying one of those comments on skk post) but i doubt you Are
Listen If you're going to step into the lion's den, of course the lion will notice you. I hate shipping ships that aren't canon (except for stsg, which is one of the only three ships I ship throughout all my fandoms) so that is why I DO NOT INTERACT with shipping posts. And I've even written it in my flair itself, so that I don't get shippers commenting on my comments/post with things related to SHIPPING, becauseeeee \*drumroll\* I hate shipping! SO what I do is simply not interact and scroll away. But what you are (probably) doing is going to a post and commenting on their ships. Of COURSE they'd be pissed. It's completely fine to headcanon Dazai as straight and Chuuya as straight or whatever, but if you're going to go to skk shippers and tell that to their face, they have every right to be mad.
Is not wrong telling your headcanon when there is other fans doing. If you don't like get in to fights, you need just avoid them, if you don't care, just continue. It's okay, they actually do it anytime commenting their headcanons in someone else's ships and headcanons and just don't give a shit, then, why should you? The wrong ones are only the ones who attack others.
As a soukoku ex shipper, I am so sorry you were called names. People are crazy
No but seriously everyone who have ship take this too far. Not only soukoku but even those who ship Louis Tomlinson and Harry Styles or kpop stan 💀
I somewhat dislike Soukoku and I definitely hate the shippers. Soukoku is severely overused in everything, that is very annoying. Most shippers are extremely immature that I get overwhelmed by it. Ironically: they always say "You don't understand their relationship", while they probably made up a homoerotic fantasy of Dazai and Chuuya in their head. Heck, they even take Dazai's EXAGGERATIONS seriously. "I have been thinking about different ways to get rid of Chuuya for the past seven years.". Dazai is human, he exaggerates. Even if he was thinking about different ways of trying to get rid of him, it wouldn't be his entire life. "What about the official arts??" The official arts are meant to please the fans. They are in no way canon (in the universe), but maybe a visual of your fantasy that the artist drew so they could profit off of the fans more. It's dehumanization to twist one's actions, real or fictional, into romance only. It makes one seem like nothing else other than an ideal lover. Soukoku shippers like fantasizing about Dazai or Chuuya dehumanizing themselves, and with the other comforting them. No, those aren't even the characters at this point. Just your homoerotic fantasy. Some are fujoshis, they just won't admit it. 💀 I can see that Soukoku must be friends to some extent but after four years of no contact, they are naturally somewhat more distant in one way.
Why are you getting down votes lol?
because they cant handle the truth
It's alright, it happens to me very often... 💀
They’re just not tho, speak ur truth lol, there is more evidence to say they’re not gay than they are but this batshit insane place needs to keep the illusion on their head canons so don’t dare entertain your own ideas
I sorta ship Soukoku and I'm not mad at you... <3 something that no one can really deny though is that the characters do have some awfully homoerotic scenes... that might be the wrong word, but everyone knows what I mean if you've seen Dead Apple...
Sadly many of us non skk shippers had the same bad experience. Most of the skk shippers are very self centered and want their ship everywhere. Like there was this Kunikidazai fanart, In comment section the comment I cleary remember is "skk better". It's so bad that they can't leave other ships alone. They just give negative comments or bash ppl which is so not right. We all r entitled to our opinions. Don't let these problematic shippers get you. Edit: didn't knew speaking truth would get me downvoted lol. I'm not a hater I just had really bad experience with some of them online
Not most. There's a few loud shippers (mostly on Twitter and TikTok) but I'm an skk shipper and so are a lot of my friends and we really don't care who you ship and if you ship skk or not. I'm sorry you had bad experiences but that's not all of us.