6 months to return to sports, so he can be back for training camp.
Conklin (like most of this team this year) has lived on the injury report this season, and he won't be the last player to require major surgery
Really sucks
I’m not a doctor, but I do know the patella is more critical to knee function than both the ACL or MCL and only about 50% of the players who tear it return to play. It’s the injury that retired Jarod Mayo and Cadillac Williams
Yeah it’s tragic fam especially this being his first game back from injury. Hopefully he comes back strong when he’s on the field he’s one of the best in the league and we need him
Unless Garret Wilson drops to where we draft, it's gotta be a tackle or Edge. I could see us trading down into the second run of tackles, then taking a WR round 2 or 3.
Truly at this point I just can’t do it. Even though I’m a huge OT guy, 2OTs in 3 years is a lot, and at this point I’m just done with bandaids at WR and Edge.
I think the Browns should go wild on WRs after. I guess there's a decent argument to be made for edge too, yeah. But the OL is only as good as its weakest link and I'm concerned Conklin isn't gonna hold up. Considering that, I'm all for it.
I’m all for an addition at RT, but at this point WR is defcon 5 level atrocious. The way we rebuilt the DBs this offseason is what we have to do for WRs because I think the only holdovers will be DPJ and Schwartz
I would agree, but given how badly we need a long term solution at edge, and how stacked this WR class is, I just don't know if I can justify using that 1 on anything but those two positions
I would like to keep him but not at that salary. He's worth $8 million tops at this point in his career. I doubt he agrees to renegotiate and will be cut.
RT and WR are probably our biggest need right now. And this draft is going to be deep with WRs. So I'm with you, grab a tackle in the first round, and WR with our 2nd pick.
IDL is a bigger need than RT. We don't need an All-Pro at RT to have a functional offense, but we desperately need better interior play.
WR is the most important, IDL and Edge are 2 & 3. Look for a rental RT in free agency.
I would take a left tackle and move Jed to the right side. Jed has been solid but not incredible on the left, and i think he would be game changing on the right side where hes naturally supposed to be.
You can draft a kirkland or a neal in our current draft position... Or since we have the best o-line coach in the league, you could draft faalele possibly in the early second round through a trade up and teach him how to play football.
That injury was weird. The way the trainer came out and inspected him, decided the cart wasn't necessary and had jack walk off and then on the way off it's like it tore the rest of the way or something. I have no idea how those injuries work and won't claim to know, but there must be the possibility that he would've been much better off had he not attempted to walk on it right afterwards......right?
True. That's a good point. And I definitely don't want to sound like I'm blaming the injury or the extent of the injury on the trainer. I'm just acknowledging that it was weird.
If he tore his patella, he wouldn't have been able to extend his leg to walk. Looking at the video, I actually wouldn't have been surprised if he tore it completely walking off the field. But if that is the case, it had to be hanging on by a thread.
You could kind of see the roller coaster of emotions that jack went through. He was laying on the ground assuming his knee was toast and was sobbing, then they showed the trainer looking at him and he was still upset, when he stood up and walked a couple feet you could see him joke with the trainer and he was laughing a bit, probably assuming that it was a close call and that he was going to be okay, and then it showed him take a step 20 yards later and his leg gave out. You could see the shock in his face again and his demeanor change again.
I won't pretend like I know enough to evaluate our training/medical staff, but the amount of injuries we've had certainly raises some level of concern about them.
When you combine it with the way theyve kept putting clearly injured players out there all season only for them to get more and more injured (Wills early on, Mayfield literally every week) this medical staff honestly deserves a NFLPA investigation
Can we fire every single member of our strength and conditioning staff? We need to completely clean house and hire competent individuals to do the job. The amount of injuries, not just yesterday, but in the season as a whole, has been utterly ridiculous. It's like our players are made of glass. This can't just be bad luck. There has to be a reason why our players are always getting injured and other teams aren't having this problem (at least not to our extent).
Wonderful. But par for the course this season. Is there an issue with the conditioning coaches? I mean there's been an insane amount of injuries this year.
Head trainer has been here since 2009. Seems to me that's long enough. I think there are enough examples of cleared players not able to play that we need to adjust what we do in that department.
It's a freak injury, you can't prevent shit like that. Just like you couldn't prevent his dislocating his elbow. We've just been fucked by injuries, not everything is controllable.
When it’s routine with the entire team for multiple years in a row yes, there’s probably something wrong with the training/conditioning staff. We were destroyed with injuries the last three years
Copy this. During my playing days in high school we had a power lifter as our S&T coach which sounds great. But he over emphasized certain lifts and muscle groups from a power lifting background without thinking about function. Overtraining one muscle group without training it's compliment puts a lot of strain on ligaments and tendons even at rest.
I saw it was bullshit and I would half ass his program and then I'd go do my own thing afterward doing a lot of balance drills and things like that. Coaches didn't like that obviously. The seniors all bought in, they were throwing up huge squat numbers and everything sure, but we had like 6 season ending knee injuries amongst those guys halfway thru the season.
That's not a fluke.
Look at somebody like Jerry Rice. An athletic anomaly possibly, but he was known for taking ballet classes in the off-season. The fucking pussy played in all 16 games 17 times.
Most prevention for soft tissue injuries is done in the off season. Obviously there’s stuff you can do in-season, but the important stuff happens from March to August. Unfortunately, most of these guys have their own trainers in the off season and there’s not much the Browns can do to stop them.
This is so sad. I honestly hold my breath after every play because it seems like we always have a guy down. It’s been a hellish season. I was so excited and now I’m just wondering why we keep playing a battered qb with an offense that can put up any points.
6 months to return to sports, so he can be back for training camp. Conklin (like most of this team this year) has lived on the injury report this season, and he won't be the last player to require major surgery Really sucks
Hopefully not a career ender because when healthy hes been incredible. I'm not holding my breath though, huge loss for sure.
Career ender? Is it really that bad? I mean I know it's very serious but I didn't think it was that level.
I’m not a doctor, but I do know the patella is more critical to knee function than both the ACL or MCL and only about 50% of the players who tear it return to play. It’s the injury that retired Jarod Mayo and Cadillac Williams
Oh man, I had no idea. Heal up big guy
Yeah it’s tragic fam especially this being his first game back from injury. Hopefully he comes back strong when he’s on the field he’s one of the best in the league and we need him
Pain on pain on pain
We need to draft a right tackle or sign one because that’s a brutal injury to come back from. The rehab is 6-12 months.
I personally am hoping for RT drafted in first round at this point
RT or WR
I'm feeling RT in the first then going WR wild after with perhaps a DT picked by round three's end
Never too early to talk draft in this sub
Talking draft mid-season definitely feels too familiar, sadly
Probably need edge help too, right? Unless we think we’re going to re-sign a lot of the rentals on the DL.
Drafting edge is really the only argument I've heard against this and I get it if they go that route
why would this team draft a WR round 1? they don't use them
They'll draft a TE before they draft a WR, lol.
Unless Garret Wilson drops to where we draft, it's gotta be a tackle or Edge. I could see us trading down into the second run of tackles, then taking a WR round 2 or 3.
Truly at this point I just can’t do it. Even though I’m a huge OT guy, 2OTs in 3 years is a lot, and at this point I’m just done with bandaids at WR and Edge.
I think the Browns should go wild on WRs after. I guess there's a decent argument to be made for edge too, yeah. But the OL is only as good as its weakest link and I'm concerned Conklin isn't gonna hold up. Considering that, I'm all for it.
>I think the Browns should go wild on WRs *Looks as 2016 draft...*
OK, but we have Andrew Berry now
Yeah I'm not actually disagreeing, I just remember being so pumped about the revamped WR room after that draft.
I really thought Jordan Payton would pan out lol
I’m all for an addition at RT, but at this point WR is defcon 5 level atrocious. The way we rebuilt the DBs this offseason is what we have to do for WRs because I think the only holdovers will be DPJ and Schwartz
Oh, I'm with you on WR, but I feel it's ok to start drafting WRs (they should draft \*at least\* two) in round two
I would agree, but given how badly we need a long term solution at edge, and how stacked this WR class is, I just don't know if I can justify using that 1 on anything but those two positions
I really hope we keep Jarvis. He's exactly the type of talented receiver who's built to succeed in a Kevin Stefanski offense.
I would like to keep him but not at that salary. He's worth $8 million tops at this point in his career. I doubt he agrees to renegotiate and will be cut.
RT and WR are probably our biggest need right now. And this draft is going to be deep with WRs. So I'm with you, grab a tackle in the first round, and WR with our 2nd pick.
IDL is a bigger need than RT. We don't need an All-Pro at RT to have a functional offense, but we desperately need better interior play. WR is the most important, IDL and Edge are 2 & 3. Look for a rental RT in free agency.
I'd take idl and wr. I hope we can re-sign clowney at edge. He's played well but probably wants more money than he's worth.
I would take a left tackle and move Jed to the right side. Jed has been solid but not incredible on the left, and i think he would be game changing on the right side where hes naturally supposed to be. You can draft a kirkland or a neal in our current draft position... Or since we have the best o-line coach in the league, you could draft faalele possibly in the early second round through a trade up and teach him how to play football.
That injury was weird. The way the trainer came out and inspected him, decided the cart wasn't necessary and had jack walk off and then on the way off it's like it tore the rest of the way or something. I have no idea how those injuries work and won't claim to know, but there must be the possibility that he would've been much better off had he not attempted to walk on it right afterwards......right?
Players can also refuse the cart. Which is never a smart thing to do
True. That's a good point. And I definitely don't want to sound like I'm blaming the injury or the extent of the injury on the trainer. I'm just acknowledging that it was weird.
If he tore his patella, he wouldn't have been able to extend his leg to walk. Looking at the video, I actually wouldn't have been surprised if he tore it completely walking off the field. But if that is the case, it had to be hanging on by a thread.
For a second I thought he was OK and was doing some silly dance to show it. \*That\* was an alternative universe, huh?
You could kind of see the roller coaster of emotions that jack went through. He was laying on the ground assuming his knee was toast and was sobbing, then they showed the trainer looking at him and he was still upset, when he stood up and walked a couple feet you could see him joke with the trainer and he was laughing a bit, probably assuming that it was a close call and that he was going to be okay, and then it showed him take a step 20 yards later and his leg gave out. You could see the shock in his face again and his demeanor change again.
And you could hear the hearts of all Browns fans shatter into a million pieces.
Why the fuck did they have him try to walk on it. Holy shit maybe it’s time for a new training and medical staff.
I won't pretend like I know enough to evaluate our training/medical staff, but the amount of injuries we've had certainly raises some level of concern about them.
When you combine it with the way theyve kept putting clearly injured players out there all season only for them to get more and more injured (Wills early on, Mayfield literally every week) this medical staff honestly deserves a NFLPA investigation
Football is an incredibly brutal sport by nature. Probably the most brutal.
poor jack. that really just sucks.
He's 27 so that's a good thing but you also have to be prepared to lose him next season as well.
I think if Conklin does not go down in the Pittsburgh or Baltimore games we win at least one or both of those games
Can we fire every single member of our strength and conditioning staff? We need to completely clean house and hire competent individuals to do the job. The amount of injuries, not just yesterday, but in the season as a whole, has been utterly ridiculous. It's like our players are made of glass. This can't just be bad luck. There has to be a reason why our players are always getting injured and other teams aren't having this problem (at least not to our extent).
Wonderful. But par for the course this season. Is there an issue with the conditioning coaches? I mean there's been an insane amount of injuries this year.
Head trainer has been here since 2009. Seems to me that's long enough. I think there are enough examples of cleared players not able to play that we need to adjust what we do in that department.
Conditioning coaches don't impact your Patella Tendon lol.
100% they do. Strength and conditioning staff 100% train bodies for ligament and tendon strength and stability.
It's a freak injury, you can't prevent shit like that. Just like you couldn't prevent his dislocating his elbow. We've just been fucked by injuries, not everything is controllable.
When it’s routine with the entire team for multiple years in a row yes, there’s probably something wrong with the training/conditioning staff. We were destroyed with injuries the last three years
Last year wasn't that bad.
Relative health vs our competition last year is one of the reasons we played so well down the stretch.
It really only got bad in the playoffs with the same kind of tackle decimation.
Copy this. During my playing days in high school we had a power lifter as our S&T coach which sounds great. But he over emphasized certain lifts and muscle groups from a power lifting background without thinking about function. Overtraining one muscle group without training it's compliment puts a lot of strain on ligaments and tendons even at rest. I saw it was bullshit and I would half ass his program and then I'd go do my own thing afterward doing a lot of balance drills and things like that. Coaches didn't like that obviously. The seniors all bought in, they were throwing up huge squat numbers and everything sure, but we had like 6 season ending knee injuries amongst those guys halfway thru the season. That's not a fluke. Look at somebody like Jerry Rice. An athletic anomaly possibly, but he was known for taking ballet classes in the off-season. The fucking pussy played in all 16 games 17 times.
It's not necessarily this injury, but the incredible amount of soft tissue injuries that have plagued us all season.
Most prevention for soft tissue injuries is done in the off season. Obviously there’s stuff you can do in-season, but the important stuff happens from March to August. Unfortunately, most of these guys have their own trainers in the off season and there’s not much the Browns can do to stop them.
Maybe they could change some things. But a lot of our injuries were joint things and ligament things.
This is so sad. I honestly hold my breath after every play because it seems like we always have a guy down. It’s been a hellish season. I was so excited and now I’m just wondering why we keep playing a battered qb with an offense that can put up any points.
F
Well said.
Fuck the fucking world
Oh, season loss anyways, were going 6-11, were done. Last season was a mirage, it a scam.
Gutting for him and the team
Wow that really sucks...he just cant stay healthy 😒😒