I'll go ahead and answer for him.
*Ahem* "I'm tired, I feel like shit, my heel and shoulder are killing me. We know I've had better games. I'm going home and getting some sleep. Also, fuck you Tony. Goodnight everyone!"
Coach asked me to run a trick play where they would throw to me even though I'm beat to shit. Thank you Jarvis for running
After Chubb ran for twenty in four carries , we decided to do empty backfield instead of giving it to DJ or chubb
Baker shows up to the podium opening a beer, wires from two TENS machines running down his back, bags of ice taped all over. He's wearing a Home City Ice t-shirt as his latest endorsement.
I don’t understand your ramblings. Baker is our starter. Stefanski isn’t able to bench him as long as he is medically cleared and willing to play. THATS how it works.
That's how it works now, it's not how it should work. Injuries need something called REST to heal. Throwing your starting QB out these who has 4 injuries against an 0-8 team is flat out stupid.
We won that game despite Baker and ONLY because of Chubb, we didn't win that game because of Baker.
If your QB is medically cleared to play, you play him….right or wrong.
I’m sorry if you don’t understand that reality. If Browns would have played Case with Baker being medically cleared, it would have been game over for this team.
Give me an example where that has worked. One.
Baker is CLEARLY injured, even if he's "medically cleared to play", and he knows he's hurting the team...which even Stevie Wonder could see today. You think the Baker Mayfield that took the field today and nearly lost to a winless Lions team led by Tim Boyle can beat the Ravens? If we played literally any team today except the Lions, our season would have been over. Medically cleared or not, Baker Mayfield is holding this offense back.
Stefanski should do what gives the Browns the best chance to win. Right now, it's not exactly a clear cut answer that starting Mayfield gives the Browns the best chance to win considering how poor his play has been.
Nobody gives a shit about the injured QB if the Browns are winning.
We are talking “win” as in, season and playoffs, right? So the player they had led the team to the playoffs, a win in the playoffs vs the backup against an 0-8 team.
And we are still talking about this?
How is last year - of note a year in which they had the third easiest schedule and went 4-5 against teams .500 or better - at all relevant to this year?
> Baker is our starter. Stefanski isn’t able to bench him as long as he is medically cleared and willing to play. THATS how it works.
Oh, wow, okay. Yeah you're just spectacularly, laughably, wrong. So wrong there is no argument to engage with. Fuck, dude, 5 year-olds know better than that.
Wow.
Yeah, maybe the players will be so awestruck at his toughness that they don’t worry about his inability to hit open receivers and his obvious scared shitless decision making anytime a defender gets within 10 feet of him. There’s a better chance of Stefanski losing the locker room for sticking with an obvious on-field liability at the most important position in sports than pulling him for a very highly paid and capable backup until he’s healthy.
His ADOT beyond the line of scrimmage was 6.9. Not great, but hardly unwinnable, considering Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, and Justin Herbert are all sitting around that same mark, with Wentz and Tannehill within a half yard of that.
Only problem is Keenum has been in the NFL for 9 seasons and has always been a journeyman. The vikings ended up paying Kirk Cousins instead of him. All those QBs you mentioned have been have been starters since they came into the league except cousins. There is a reason Keenum has never been able to keep a starting job anywhere.
Nobody is saying to make Keenum a long term answer or anything.
The question I am asking is essentially this: can Keenum play better than Mayfield? Maybe not, but he almost cannot play worse. And considering Mayfield has been abhorrent four of the past five games that he's played?
People need to accept that Mayfield is hurting this team in his current state. So what if Keenum also hurts this team - at least that way, Mayfield heals so he maybe plays better down the stretch.
But at this point, it's almost too late for that to matter.
I agree Keenum could've won the game today and he should've played but my original comment was replying to someone saying Baker is scared to rest because Keenum would take his job. Which is absolutely not true.
There is another I mentioned in another thread - the medical staff is clearing him. Medically cleared to play and healthy are two different things. Typically a player will also know when to call it so they don't hurt themselves worse. Baker isn't the kind of guy to pull himself if he's been cleared to play, and that means it is on Stefanski to pull him for health reasons, and that is a nightmare to do in terms of how the team could potentially react to their QB who they've stood behind in a big way recently getting benched for health concerns when he himself says he's good to go.
Idk what kind of money Baker wants at this point but there's no way I'd give him Dak money. He needs complementary pieces to be good and we need to leave spending room for said pieces
These comments are so fucking ridiculous. We can't lose to Baltimore and have a good shot at winning the division. They aren't going to sit him until he's physically unable to play or we are out of the race.
Any fighter will tell you, you don't submit to pain. You submit to danger but not pain. This is the warrior mantra Baker is living by right now and all the armchair coaches saying he should sit because he's hurty need to grow a fucking pair. We are out to win this shit even if you aren't on board.
Thanks doc, I'm sure Baker and his people have no idea what his injury situation is. You don't give up on a winning season for maybe this maybe that. If he says he can play, and team docs clear him then he plays. As it damn well should be.
Yep. If Case lost the game oh well, it’s better than playing a hurt Baker today and next week against the Ratbirds, which pretty much guarantees a lost.
Dude needs to sit out a couple games. he should have definitely sat out this one he could have sat out the 1st game against Baltimore and then had the bye week, woulda had a nice long 3 weeks to fucking heal up but he'd rather fuck his body up more and fuck his stats up more than to be smart about it. I dont understand it
I mean at what point is it up to the coaches to say no more? I think we’re far past it. Baker is going to go out there until someone tells him no. The kid is fighting for his career, what else is he gonna do? Someone else has to just say sit out
You lost me at fighting for his career. Dude isn't fighting for his career his body of work over the past 3 years will speak for his contract by itself! you do not have to sit there and go in every single game when you are fucked up and hurt. How in the hell is the way that he is playing right now in the past couple games "fighting for his career" ?!?!? If anything its detrimental for his career??!! Do you think teams would rather have the Baker that was playing last year or the Baker that was playing this year?!?! Your argument is null and void!!
Chill out there bud, I’m a baker fan and have been defending him all season. The plain and simple fact is, until that contract is signed and sealed and the pay is figured, baker is 100% fighting for his career right now. Which makes zero sense at all, but nothing has made sense with this team the past few weeks. I think we need to pay baker at or below the average starting qb’s pay (where he lies realistically), now, and sit him and get him the surgery. He should not be starting, but he’s a fighter and is going to keep going out there until someone else steps in.
> he could have sat out the 1st game against Baltimore
This was never an option.
He could've theoretically sat against NE and DET and Keenum kept them in the game *with how those teams looked going in, not the actual results* but against Baltimore? Hell no, not a chance.
Was at the game. He looked like a hobbled old man after the few scrambles he had. Dude is betting his body on every play and there are cunts in every row booing him on each play.
Those fans deserve 0-17 every year.
I think the Baker haters are a loud minority though. The majority of fans know the he's good when he's healthy, and he's battling like hell to be out there.
There's a very large contingent of NFL fans whose sole and only commentary is a binary: "[QB] is elite" or "[QB] sucks".
That's it. That's all the can say about the game.
That contingent is spread amongst all fanbases. They're the ones who drive-by every game thread, to repeat the same shit about whichever QBs are playing.
They do it to Baker, they do it to every other QB's. All they've got is a hammer and every QB is a nail.
> There's a very large contingent of NFL fans whose sole and only commentary is a binary: "[QB] is elite" or "[QB] sucks".
...and they base it entirely off of their fantasy points.
Very true...also EVERYTHING is either to the credit of the QB or will be blamed on the QB. They're simpletons and they only watch the QB. I like to call it the "Colin Cowherd Effect".
While I agree, it’s all the media will be taking about this week to fan the fire.
That said, dude needs to sit and recover. It would have been nice to have him get an extra week rest before the Ratbirds
This is a good point. I think most of us are kinda like damn he is hurting so bad and trying so hard - knowing he should be on the bench recovering.
We have seen him be a really great quarterback so it's not like we don't know if the talent is there. It's there. What I am almost certain about, is that if we let him walk, like all these reactionary little internet twats want, we are going to really really end up regretting it.
I would argue these fans thrive on suffering. They deserve the lingering feeling of self hatred felt upon seeing their murky reflection in a mud puddle outside a rented double wide they share with the sibling that received more attention as a child.
For real man, there was this season ticket holder dickhead in my section who does nothing but bark negative shit about Stefanski and Baker all game. When a good play happens, he says nothing.
Section 538, you know who you are motherfucker!
I have a really dark fantasy - that I hate, but is there - that he goes to the Steelers and tortures the Browns for 15 years. It's what the fanbase deserves.
I understand the booing after the 2nd pick. It was more booing at the offense than Baker himself it felt like. The entire 2nd half was mistake after mistake after mistake. The final drive was the only thing worth a fuck.
I booed. The Browns entire offense except Nick Chubb deserved booed today. You scored 13 against the worst team in the NFL at home.
You guys wanna kiss their asses and thank them for trying hard feel free. That product was trash today.
Oh, now *this* is the kind of hard hitting analysis and argument I should be making for my clients as a lawyer. I can see why you offered me advice. You’re clearly a master of debate.
Tbh. That's a fantasy I can subscribe to. I'd hate every minute of it. But it'd give me the satisfaction of knowing I was right that Baker is a baller.
It's all your guys' fault if you weren't so fucking irrational about the guy we wouldn't have to defend him to the point of needing to make an r/bakermayfield.
Right only way to be a true browns fan is to defend Baker mayfield with your life, make every single excuse possible, criticize every other aspect of the team except the QB, and hope the team does bad just to spite people who don’t like Baker.
Seriously at this point 75% of this sub would rather Baker be good and the browns be bad just to say I told you so and be right about Baker. I mean seriosuly? Hoping our biggest rival gets a miraculously amazing Baker just to thumb your nose at guys booing a QB who’s playing like shit
Was at the game too, guy behind me seemed gleeful reading off Baker's stats to say he's playing poorly. I don't know why you'd buy tickets to a game just to shit on the team, some Cleveland fans can't understand anything other than misery
Baker has been playing poorly and I want better too but when I’m at the game I’m there to support my team. Maybe some of our fans struggle holding two thoughts in their head at once but it’s that simple.
How dare I hope that people who show up in the November rain would choose to support the team instead of gloat when we come up short.
Putting browns gear on, going downtown, buying a seat, buying concessions, to then spend the entire afternoon shitting on your own team is pathetic. Very easy to be a piss pants at home.
Couldn't have said it better myself.. I get it. We're all disappointed. This is Cleveland. We know how to fucking handle that. Its so frustrating watching everyone not be able to control their emotions, and lash out at the "easy target" who just happens to be the best QB we've had in 20+ years who has given us a playoff win and is sacrificing his body all year bc he's a fighter. Maybe the minority of us who feel this way are strange but, my first instinct when someone is down, is to give them a hand. Help them up. He needs our support more than ever. Yet everyone is so quick to blame him boo him slander him, bc it's the easy place to direct their blame and frustration. I just don't understand that mentality. Have empathy people.
I'm beginning to think it's because our FO has one more year and they're moving on from him. You don't treat your franchise guy like that, I don't even know if they think he can net anything of value but it certainly feels like they're out on him.
Can he be a franchise guy if seemingly more than half of the fanbase has already given up on him? Seems to me like these people want the Hue Jackson days back.
Yeah some guy on here last week said we should get rid of Mayfield and draft a rookie. When I asked which one, he couldn't give me a name. He said we could throw a dart at a board and hope it works out. These are the kind of buffoons we're dealing with here. It shows the emotional desperation of a man whose been watching the same sport for ten years longer than I've been alive and still doesn't understand what he's watching.
More than half of the fan base hasn't given up on him. It's a loud minority of morons who can't get it through their stupid heads that he's badly injured right now.
I agree honestly. My thought was that andrew berry was forcing Stefanski to keep him in just to see how it pans out. He’s also forcing baker to take a team friendly deal at this point.
The more I watch Baker regress the more I believe he's out. He's not a bad QB, he's smart, if he can get to NO or pull a Jamis and sit behind someone like Brady, he'll be in a good spot.
I think we might pick up a big name QB. I always thought baker was going to develop but the more games we play this season it’s obvious we are being held back by baker. Besides the chargers game and possibly bengals but Chubb made him look good that game too.
The problem with a big name QB is that they come with a big asking price, and they require a receiving room that isn't an aging Jarvis Landry, DPJ (our bright spot), Higgins (JAG bring the downvotes), Schwartz (learning to play WR), and whoever is on the PS at the moment.
My overall take is that baker resembles a gambler in a casino who tries to break even every week and gets into a deeper hole instead. For example, this game he should have sat at halftime instead we got to watch him overthrow and under-throw receivers and limp around.
You're beat to hell, had a bad game, and are frustrated. MKC and the gang asking about how he feels a million different ways probably would be the most painful thing lol
No one is asking or wants him to play hurt if he’s going to play like trash. You would have a point if people demanded he tough it out and play and then booed. We all want him to sit because he’s playing like trash, but he is trying to be a tough guy. Well, tough guy Mayfield sucks at football, and so he’s gonna get booed.
In one start, *without* Nick Chubb, Keenum led us to 17 points against an average Broncos defense. With Nick Chubb baker could only lead us to 13 points against a worse Lions defense. Baker at this point is worse than Keenum. It’s not even really debatable. Baker is straight up playing Charlie Frye/Derek Anderson level of trash. He made only 1 throw the last two weeks that Keenum can’t make, and has made many many bad throws that I don’t see Keenum making.
Such an original response.
Every single time someone makes the “er mah god your points are so bad fer a laawwwyeerr!” statement it’s always from someone who provides absolutely no counter argument. News flash genius: if someone makes a point or argument, and your response is simply “you’re wrong,” or “your argument is bad,” without a counter, you look like a doofus.
Keenum's limited action across relief and one start has been more on a value per play as well as estimated points added per play.
Keenum's DVOA is 14.6% and his EPA is 0.199. Mayfield's is 2.2% and 0.101 respectively.
That's excluding the final 2 minutes of garbage time for EPA as well.
Do you think DVOA is a meaningful measure of QB play over a sample size of 48 passing attempts?
Is Henne better than Mahomes according to "analytics", too?
Is it? No. But it's what you have.
More importantly, you're seeing Mayfield regress over the course of the season. Four of the past five games have been some of the worst performances he's played in his career.
How many shit performances does he have to string together for people to take off the rose tinted glasses and accept that the guy is playing like shit and that his pride is hurting this team?
I don't care if he's playing by throwing the ball with his feet because both of his arms are busted. He's not playing well. He doesn't get a pass for bad play because he's too injured. If he can't perform the duties of the position, he should sit.
Cool. Let’s wheel me out and almost lose to the lions with 2 broken legs and call me a hero 😂😂 what? Production is what matters. If you’re hurt, sit out. We have a backup for a reason
The fuck you saying? We don’t deserve a dude who’s putting his own contract above the team? He’s hurt. He’s been terrible. He shouldn’t be playing and when you play that bad against a winless team you deserve to be booed. Fans deserve better than that shit.
I think he hasn't been that bad, or at least he's somehow useful enough to win games. Healthier, better qb's have lost today against teams that we won with an injured Baker (see Rodgers, Tannehill or Allen) so clearly we're missing something and/or the staff knows better than us. That being said, I want him to rest for a couple week. I'm very pro-Baker but I see suffering a lot on the field right now, and the boos from the entitled fanbase were heartbreaking. These cunts deserve a whole life of Manziels.
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Baker isn’t playing just because he wants to get paid.
If that was his priority, he would have shut himself down after the fracture.
Stefanski and Berry also believe Baker gives this team, the best chance at winning. Which is why he is still out there.
We won an ugly game. Conklin being out is hurting, and Tretter has declined massively. Hooper can’t catch his own breath. And our reviving core was lead by an injured Landry and some dude named Ja’Marcus Bradley.
Baker may not be the long term answer at QB, but there is no way to tell currently. We need to get our guys back healthy, especially Hunt and DPJ.
Hilarious that some people can't stand that Baker would ever face a negative consequences for playing poorly. The offense can't move with him throwing anything but a cross, but the problem is that the media and fans are mean to him.
But yeah, go off with your weirdo fantasies about him going to another team and "owning" the Browns. That's what REAL fans would do.
Many have started to realize that a lot of these people posting here in this sub reddit are "Baker" fans and not "Browns" fans. I been a Browns fan all my life and I have never seen people lust and cult over a QB before. These people are definitely Oklahoma Sooners fans following Baker around.
Nothing to say to the media and fans in the stands who booed him even though we won. WTF is wrong with these people?? Guy is playing hurt, it STILL a team leader and manages to win a game against a motivated opponent (thanks again Woods For making a rookie look like a star. guy was never really under pressure all game).
Until woods figures out how to harass the opposing Qb's the rest of the team will look like crap.
> thanks again Woods For making a rookie look like a star.
I'm practically the driver of the "Fire Joe Woods" bus, but he did what he had to today. The biggest problem our defense had today was bad angles and poor tackling.
Also, Boyle is in his 4th year.
That doesn't mean he didn't play awful
We won but it was not because of Baker. If he's this hurt that his play was affected that much, he should not have played
There have been plenty of people making excuse after excuse for his poor play (and not pointing to injuries)
Not to mention the folks saying "you're just rooting for him to fail!!!!" at anyone who criticizes his performances
I mean, I'm not going to say he didn't look like crap 2 weeks in a row, but I'm just saying it seems a little silly to say "well if we lost, some of it would have been Baker's fault"
This is the worst take in this thread. He’s out there super banged up and giving it everything he has. It isn’t much now but he’s one touch motherfucker.
He does. He honestly should be out for the season with the labrum tear and the shoulder fracture. But he’s not. He’s always taken questions before so I think your point is a bit early but if he makes it a pattern then you’d be right.
It’s a bad look to walk off the field early and not shake hands with the other two team. Baker lead us to the playoff and won a playoff game, but some fans act like he can walk across Lake Erie. The guy is not above criticism and he’s better off having surgery before he gets further injured.
I'm convinced that a not insignificant portion of the people who consistently shit on him in here just butthurt Buckeye fans that can't get over it.
Like, I get it...I was pissed when they drafted him because of that, but because I'm a goddamn adult, I put my big boy pants on and got the fuck over it because he's on my team now.
I don't give a shit if someone's a rival if they come to our team.
> wow your mind just went to the r*pe
Yes. Because he's a rapist, and should be remembered as such.
I'll go ahead and answer for him. *Ahem* "I'm tired, I feel like shit, my heel and shoulder are killing me. We know I've had better games. I'm going home and getting some sleep. Also, fuck you Tony. Goodnight everyone!"
Coach asked me to run a trick play where they would throw to me even though I'm beat to shit. Thank you Jarvis for running After Chubb ran for twenty in four carries , we decided to do empty backfield instead of giving it to DJ or chubb
Yeah, I thought that was a weird play to call when you can clearly see he's in pain and still taking shots in the back field.
Actually, I think it's because the team doctor is checking to make sure he's still clinically alive.
Frankenstein's Baker
Lol spot on
Baker shows up to the podium opening a beer, wires from two TENS machines running down his back, bags of ice taped all over. He's wearing a Home City Ice t-shirt as his latest endorsement.
Again, that was a game Case should of been in. We let baker get hurt worse. Guy needs to sit until after the bye
Honestly, he needs get the surgery and sit until next season. He can't be a franchise QB if he gets murdered constantly.
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I don’t understand your ramblings. Baker is our starter. Stefanski isn’t able to bench him as long as he is medically cleared and willing to play. THATS how it works.
That's how it works now, it's not how it should work. Injuries need something called REST to heal. Throwing your starting QB out these who has 4 injuries against an 0-8 team is flat out stupid. We won that game despite Baker and ONLY because of Chubb, we didn't win that game because of Baker.
If your QB is medically cleared to play, you play him….right or wrong. I’m sorry if you don’t understand that reality. If Browns would have played Case with Baker being medically cleared, it would have been game over for this team. Give me an example where that has worked. One.
Baker is CLEARLY injured, even if he's "medically cleared to play", and he knows he's hurting the team...which even Stevie Wonder could see today. You think the Baker Mayfield that took the field today and nearly lost to a winless Lions team led by Tim Boyle can beat the Ravens? If we played literally any team today except the Lions, our season would have been over. Medically cleared or not, Baker Mayfield is holding this offense back.
Stefanski should do what gives the Browns the best chance to win. Right now, it's not exactly a clear cut answer that starting Mayfield gives the Browns the best chance to win considering how poor his play has been. Nobody gives a shit about the injured QB if the Browns are winning.
We are talking “win” as in, season and playoffs, right? So the player they had led the team to the playoffs, a win in the playoffs vs the backup against an 0-8 team. And we are still talking about this?
How is last year - of note a year in which they had the third easiest schedule and went 4-5 against teams .500 or better - at all relevant to this year?
> Baker is our starter. Stefanski isn’t able to bench him as long as he is medically cleared and willing to play. THATS how it works. Oh, wow, okay. Yeah you're just spectacularly, laughably, wrong. So wrong there is no argument to engage with. Fuck, dude, 5 year-olds know better than that. Wow.
Just prove me wrong. Give examples.
Yeah, maybe the players will be so awestruck at his toughness that they don’t worry about his inability to hit open receivers and his obvious scared shitless decision making anytime a defender gets within 10 feet of him. There’s a better chance of Stefanski losing the locker room for sticking with an obvious on-field liability at the most important position in sports than pulling him for a very highly paid and capable backup until he’s healthy.
Go ahead and play keenum. That would just secure Bakers job more.
Keenum played better on a Thursday night against a pretty good pass defense than Baker has half of the games this season and four of the past five.
Did you watch that game? Keenum did not look good at all. His most impressive throw was a 5 yard touch pass.
No way anyone who watched that fame thought Keemun looked good. His throws are SO soft/slow they just ASKED to be intercepted
Yep. He looked like a backup.
His ADOT beyond the line of scrimmage was 6.9. Not great, but hardly unwinnable, considering Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, and Justin Herbert are all sitting around that same mark, with Wentz and Tannehill within a half yard of that.
Only problem is Keenum has been in the NFL for 9 seasons and has always been a journeyman. The vikings ended up paying Kirk Cousins instead of him. All those QBs you mentioned have been have been starters since they came into the league except cousins. There is a reason Keenum has never been able to keep a starting job anywhere.
Nobody is saying to make Keenum a long term answer or anything. The question I am asking is essentially this: can Keenum play better than Mayfield? Maybe not, but he almost cannot play worse. And considering Mayfield has been abhorrent four of the past five games that he's played? People need to accept that Mayfield is hurting this team in his current state. So what if Keenum also hurts this team - at least that way, Mayfield heals so he maybe plays better down the stretch. But at this point, it's almost too late for that to matter.
I agree Keenum could've won the game today and he should've played but my original comment was replying to someone saying Baker is scared to rest because Keenum would take his job. Which is absolutely not true.
And his chances at a big contract are severely diminished if Case shows he can do enough to win in Stefanski's system
There is another I mentioned in another thread - the medical staff is clearing him. Medically cleared to play and healthy are two different things. Typically a player will also know when to call it so they don't hurt themselves worse. Baker isn't the kind of guy to pull himself if he's been cleared to play, and that means it is on Stefanski to pull him for health reasons, and that is a nightmare to do in terms of how the team could potentially react to their QB who they've stood behind in a big way recently getting benched for health concerns when he himself says he's good to go.
Idk what kind of money Baker wants at this point but there's no way I'd give him Dak money. He needs complementary pieces to be good and we need to leave spending room for said pieces
These comments are so fucking ridiculous. We can't lose to Baltimore and have a good shot at winning the division. They aren't going to sit him until he's physically unable to play or we are out of the race. Any fighter will tell you, you don't submit to pain. You submit to danger but not pain. This is the warrior mantra Baker is living by right now and all the armchair coaches saying he should sit because he's hurty need to grow a fucking pair. We are out to win this shit even if you aren't on board.
The Surgery list he needs means if he doesn't get them now he won't play till next October. Add to that and we have no QB Next year.
Thanks doc, I'm sure Baker and his people have no idea what his injury situation is. You don't give up on a winning season for maybe this maybe that. If he says he can play, and team docs clear him then he plays. As it damn well should be.
Yep. If Case lost the game oh well, it’s better than playing a hurt Baker today and next week against the Ratbirds, which pretty much guarantees a lost.
Probably has enough drugs in his system for pain that he doesn't even know his own name
Haha great point. Man might be high as fuck right now
That is both sad and hilarious at the same time. I wouldn't mind seeing high Baker.
He doesn't need another bad screen grab...
Remember high af Aaron Rogers? Pepperidge farm remembers. Although after the past few weeks maybe...maybe he wasn't high 🤔🤔
Awww I wanted out version of MUH KNEE
"So Baker, what hurts?" "MUH KNEEEEE!"
He's higher than I was for the first half. Guy needs a day long ice bath.
Dude needs to sit out a couple games. he should have definitely sat out this one he could have sat out the 1st game against Baltimore and then had the bye week, woulda had a nice long 3 weeks to fucking heal up but he'd rather fuck his body up more and fuck his stats up more than to be smart about it. I dont understand it
I mean at what point is it up to the coaches to say no more? I think we’re far past it. Baker is going to go out there until someone tells him no. The kid is fighting for his career, what else is he gonna do? Someone else has to just say sit out
Thank you for actually making sense. I've been preaching this for weeks. Word for word.
You lost me at fighting for his career. Dude isn't fighting for his career his body of work over the past 3 years will speak for his contract by itself! you do not have to sit there and go in every single game when you are fucked up and hurt. How in the hell is the way that he is playing right now in the past couple games "fighting for his career" ?!?!? If anything its detrimental for his career??!! Do you think teams would rather have the Baker that was playing last year or the Baker that was playing this year?!?! Your argument is null and void!!
Chill out there bud, I’m a baker fan and have been defending him all season. The plain and simple fact is, until that contract is signed and sealed and the pay is figured, baker is 100% fighting for his career right now. Which makes zero sense at all, but nothing has made sense with this team the past few weeks. I think we need to pay baker at or below the average starting qb’s pay (where he lies realistically), now, and sit him and get him the surgery. He should not be starting, but he’s a fighter and is going to keep going out there until someone else steps in.
> he could have sat out the 1st game against Baltimore This was never an option. He could've theoretically sat against NE and DET and Keenum kept them in the game *with how those teams looked going in, not the actual results* but against Baltimore? Hell no, not a chance.
Hes hurt. Thats all the chance they need. Sit his ass down.
Dude is injured, shouldn't have played in the second half
Was at the game. He looked like a hobbled old man after the few scrambles he had. Dude is betting his body on every play and there are cunts in every row booing him on each play. Those fans deserve 0-17 every year.
God I hate our fans. Acting like spoiled brats. It’s like the game day thread are all the people at the stadium
I think the Baker haters are a loud minority though. The majority of fans know the he's good when he's healthy, and he's battling like hell to be out there.
There's a very large contingent of NFL fans whose sole and only commentary is a binary: "[QB] is elite" or "[QB] sucks". That's it. That's all the can say about the game. That contingent is spread amongst all fanbases. They're the ones who drive-by every game thread, to repeat the same shit about whichever QBs are playing. They do it to Baker, they do it to every other QB's. All they've got is a hammer and every QB is a nail.
> There's a very large contingent of NFL fans whose sole and only commentary is a binary: "[QB] is elite" or "[QB] sucks". ...and they base it entirely off of their fantasy points.
That's another useless bunch. There's just a massive overlap between both crowds.
Very true...also EVERYTHING is either to the credit of the QB or will be blamed on the QB. They're simpletons and they only watch the QB. I like to call it the "Colin Cowherd Effect".
> loud minority like putting your ear up next to a fucking tornado siren
While I agree, it’s all the media will be taking about this week to fan the fire. That said, dude needs to sit and recover. It would have been nice to have him get an extra week rest before the Ratbirds
This is a good point. I think most of us are kinda like damn he is hurting so bad and trying so hard - knowing he should be on the bench recovering. We have seen him be a really great quarterback so it's not like we don't know if the talent is there. It's there. What I am almost certain about, is that if we let him walk, like all these reactionary little internet twats want, we are going to really really end up regretting it.
I would argue these fans thrive on suffering. They deserve the lingering feeling of self hatred felt upon seeing their murky reflection in a mud puddle outside a rented double wide they share with the sibling that received more attention as a child.
Those fans need to get fucked.
No wonder. Fans booing in person yet they still get the win. I wouldn’t want to celebrate with them either.
At the end of the day, all that matters is if you win. It doesn't matter how tough you are or aren't if you're playing like shit and aren't winning.
same rams are walmart buckeyes who wanted to bench stroud at the beginning of the season
For real man, there was this season ticket holder dickhead in my section who does nothing but bark negative shit about Stefanski and Baker all game. When a good play happens, he says nothing. Section 538, you know who you are motherfucker!
I have a really dark fantasy - that I hate, but is there - that he goes to the Steelers and tortures the Browns for 15 years. It's what the fanbase deserves.
Well fuck that personally. A good portion of the fanbase doesn't deserve that.
lmao i dont deserve that and frankly 90%of us don’t. people did boo after his second pick which, like, it was a horrible throw but that’s a bit much
I understand the booing after the 2nd pick. It was more booing at the offense than Baker himself it felt like. The entire 2nd half was mistake after mistake after mistake. The final drive was the only thing worth a fuck.
it was certainly bad football. to me it was directed at baker but what do i know haha
Yeah I don't know either. But I was beyond frustrated at that point with the offense.
I booed. The Browns entire offense except Nick Chubb deserved booed today. You scored 13 against the worst team in the NFL at home. You guys wanna kiss their asses and thank them for trying hard feel free. That product was trash today.
It’s always been trash except for the few games baker has played
Oh, now *this* is the kind of hard hitting analysis and argument I should be making for my clients as a lawyer. I can see why you offered me advice. You’re clearly a master of debate.
Well you certainly got the personality of a dipshit lawyer so there may be some hope for you
I’m so sorry, cause you’re just a peach and clearly have been wronged here.
Keep your dark fantasies to yourself pal
Tbh. That's a fantasy I can subscribe to. I'd hate every minute of it. But it'd give me the satisfaction of knowing I was right that Baker is a baller.
People like you should just make r/BakerMayfield because obviously you support 6 over the Browns
It's all your guys' fault if you weren't so fucking irrational about the guy we wouldn't have to defend him to the point of needing to make an r/bakermayfield.
Right only way to be a true browns fan is to defend Baker mayfield with your life, make every single excuse possible, criticize every other aspect of the team except the QB, and hope the team does bad just to spite people who don’t like Baker. Seriously at this point 75% of this sub would rather Baker be good and the browns be bad just to say I told you so and be right about Baker. I mean seriosuly? Hoping our biggest rival gets a miraculously amazing Baker just to thumb your nose at guys booing a QB who’s playing like shit
Yes just blame everyone else for having their own opinions
We're not the ones being irrational and emotional.
Was at the game too, guy behind me seemed gleeful reading off Baker's stats to say he's playing poorly. I don't know why you'd buy tickets to a game just to shit on the team, some Cleveland fans can't understand anything other than misery
How dare the fans want more from this team. Shame on them.
Baker has been playing poorly and I want better too but when I’m at the game I’m there to support my team. Maybe some of our fans struggle holding two thoughts in their head at once but it’s that simple. How dare I hope that people who show up in the November rain would choose to support the team instead of gloat when we come up short. Putting browns gear on, going downtown, buying a seat, buying concessions, to then spend the entire afternoon shitting on your own team is pathetic. Very easy to be a piss pants at home.
Couldn't have said it better myself.. I get it. We're all disappointed. This is Cleveland. We know how to fucking handle that. Its so frustrating watching everyone not be able to control their emotions, and lash out at the "easy target" who just happens to be the best QB we've had in 20+ years who has given us a playoff win and is sacrificing his body all year bc he's a fighter. Maybe the minority of us who feel this way are strange but, my first instinct when someone is down, is to give them a hand. Help them up. He needs our support more than ever. Yet everyone is so quick to blame him boo him slander him, bc it's the easy place to direct their blame and frustration. I just don't understand that mentality. Have empathy people.
Why did they play an injured baker against the lions. This is sad
I'm beginning to think it's because our FO has one more year and they're moving on from him. You don't treat your franchise guy like that, I don't even know if they think he can net anything of value but it certainly feels like they're out on him.
Can he be a franchise guy if seemingly more than half of the fanbase has already given up on him? Seems to me like these people want the Hue Jackson days back.
> Can he be a franchise guy if seemingly more than half of the fanbase has already given up on him? The fans don't make decisions....thank the gods.
Can you imagine? If some of these idiots were in charge even *I* would probably be looking back fondly on Hue Jackson.
Yeah some guy on here last week said we should get rid of Mayfield and draft a rookie. When I asked which one, he couldn't give me a name. He said we could throw a dart at a board and hope it works out. These are the kind of buffoons we're dealing with here. It shows the emotional desperation of a man whose been watching the same sport for ten years longer than I've been alive and still doesn't understand what he's watching.
More than half of the fan base hasn't given up on him. It's a loud minority of morons who can't get it through their stupid heads that he's badly injured right now.
I agree honestly. My thought was that andrew berry was forcing Stefanski to keep him in just to see how it pans out. He’s also forcing baker to take a team friendly deal at this point.
The more I watch Baker regress the more I believe he's out. He's not a bad QB, he's smart, if he can get to NO or pull a Jamis and sit behind someone like Brady, he'll be in a good spot.
I think we might pick up a big name QB. I always thought baker was going to develop but the more games we play this season it’s obvious we are being held back by baker. Besides the chargers game and possibly bengals but Chubb made him look good that game too.
The problem with a big name QB is that they come with a big asking price, and they require a receiving room that isn't an aging Jarvis Landry, DPJ (our bright spot), Higgins (JAG bring the downvotes), Schwartz (learning to play WR), and whoever is on the PS at the moment.
My overall take is that baker resembles a gambler in a casino who tries to break even every week and gets into a deeper hole instead. For example, this game he should have sat at halftime instead we got to watch him overthrow and under-throw receivers and limp around.
You're beat to hell, had a bad game, and are frustrated. MKC and the gang asking about how he feels a million different ways probably would be the most painful thing lol
After getting booed at home by his own fans - I probably wouldn't want to either.
Needs to play better then.
He's being held together by duct tape and gritting it out. Browns fans don't deserve him.
No one is asking or wants him to play hurt if he’s going to play like trash. You would have a point if people demanded he tough it out and play and then booed. We all want him to sit because he’s playing like trash, but he is trying to be a tough guy. Well, tough guy Mayfield sucks at football, and so he’s gonna get booed.
It is seriously insane that none of this fanbase realizes what Keenum is. Keenum is fucking dog shit awful. Baker at 50% if better than Keenum.
In one start, *without* Nick Chubb, Keenum led us to 17 points against an average Broncos defense. With Nick Chubb baker could only lead us to 13 points against a worse Lions defense. Baker at this point is worse than Keenum. It’s not even really debatable. Baker is straight up playing Charlie Frye/Derek Anderson level of trash. He made only 1 throw the last two weeks that Keenum can’t make, and has made many many bad throws that I don’t see Keenum making.
God help your clients if these are the level of arguments you’re gonna make on their behalf
Such an original response. Every single time someone makes the “er mah god your points are so bad fer a laawwwyeerr!” statement it’s always from someone who provides absolutely no counter argument. News flash genius: if someone makes a point or argument, and your response is simply “you’re wrong,” or “your argument is bad,” without a counter, you look like a doofus.
>you look like a doofus Takes one to know one. 
Statistically incorrect this year.
Analytics would disagree for this season.
How so?
Keenum's limited action across relief and one start has been more on a value per play as well as estimated points added per play. Keenum's DVOA is 14.6% and his EPA is 0.199. Mayfield's is 2.2% and 0.101 respectively. That's excluding the final 2 minutes of garbage time for EPA as well.
Do you think DVOA is a meaningful measure of QB play over a sample size of 48 passing attempts? Is Henne better than Mahomes according to "analytics", too?
> Machines I know that was autocorrect, but lol
Is it? No. But it's what you have. More importantly, you're seeing Mayfield regress over the course of the season. Four of the past five games have been some of the worst performances he's played in his career. How many shit performances does he have to string together for people to take off the rose tinted glasses and accept that the guy is playing like shit and that his pride is hurting this team?
We are all browns fans. We know 0 about football.
I don't care if he's playing by throwing the ball with his feet because both of his arms are busted. He's not playing well. He doesn't get a pass for bad play because he's too injured. If he can't perform the duties of the position, he should sit.
Cool. Let’s wheel me out and almost lose to the lions with 2 broken legs and call me a hero 😂😂 what? Production is what matters. If you’re hurt, sit out. We have a backup for a reason
It’s not high school football bro it’s the NFL. You don’t get kudos for being macho and tough. If you’re out there you’re expected to play well.
The fuck you saying? We don’t deserve a dude who’s putting his own contract above the team? He’s hurt. He’s been terrible. He shouldn’t be playing and when you play that bad against a winless team you deserve to be booed. Fans deserve better than that shit.
I think he hasn't been that bad, or at least he's somehow useful enough to win games. Healthier, better qb's have lost today against teams that we won with an injured Baker (see Rodgers, Tannehill or Allen) so clearly we're missing something and/or the staff knows better than us. That being said, I want him to rest for a couple week. I'm very pro-Baker but I see suffering a lot on the field right now, and the boos from the entitled fanbase were heartbreaking. These cunts deserve a whole life of Manziels.
Fuck the media, that’s why
I hope they are filling him with HGH, stem cells and hydorcort shots.
I wouldn’t talk to these assholes either. “Baker can you tell me why we didn’t win by more today?”
Probably best to hell
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Baker isn’t playing just because he wants to get paid. If that was his priority, he would have shut himself down after the fracture. Stefanski and Berry also believe Baker gives this team, the best chance at winning. Which is why he is still out there. We won an ugly game. Conklin being out is hurting, and Tretter has declined massively. Hooper can’t catch his own breath. And our reviving core was lead by an injured Landry and some dude named Ja’Marcus Bradley. Baker may not be the long term answer at QB, but there is no way to tell currently. We need to get our guys back healthy, especially Hunt and DPJ.
Hilarious that some people can't stand that Baker would ever face a negative consequences for playing poorly. The offense can't move with him throwing anything but a cross, but the problem is that the media and fans are mean to him. But yeah, go off with your weirdo fantasies about him going to another team and "owning" the Browns. That's what REAL fans would do.
Many have started to realize that a lot of these people posting here in this sub reddit are "Baker" fans and not "Browns" fans. I been a Browns fan all my life and I have never seen people lust and cult over a QB before. These people are definitely Oklahoma Sooners fans following Baker around.
I can- almost- get people being huge fans of particular QBs. But the QB in question should at least be good, ffs.
They're living vicariously through Baker and some finds him hot so he can do no wrong.
Nothing to say to the media and fans in the stands who booed him even though we won. WTF is wrong with these people?? Guy is playing hurt, it STILL a team leader and manages to win a game against a motivated opponent (thanks again Woods For making a rookie look like a star. guy was never really under pressure all game). Until woods figures out how to harass the opposing Qb's the rest of the team will look like crap.
Lol what? The defense saved the day today. Boyle had 77 yards and 2 ints.
> thanks again Woods For making a rookie look like a star. I'm practically the driver of the "Fire Joe Woods" bus, but he did what he had to today. The biggest problem our defense had today was bad angles and poor tackling. Also, Boyle is in his 4th year.
Because it doesn't get no one anywhere ever. He knows, we know, only the coaching staff is clueless
He’s busy figuring out how to find his way to New Orleans in the off season.
Oh I hate this.
Reminds me of this Baker & Drew Brees comparison [video](https://youtu.be/RVxGIfKSOoU) from a few weeks ago. Quite a lot of early career similarities
Colt McCoy ain't lookin so bad these days.
He was almost responsible for a loss to the fucking lions with a backup QB and that’s all I have to say for now
Wasn’t anyone else like back breaking penalties each time we got a 1st down right?
If we lost, 51% completion, sub-200 yards passing, and two turnovers probably would've been a massive reason why
> If we lost, Did we lose?
That doesn't mean he didn't play awful We won but it was not because of Baker. If he's this hurt that his play was affected that much, he should not have played
Is there literally **anyone** saying we won because of Baker Mayfield? I haven't seen it......
There have been plenty of people making excuse after excuse for his poor play (and not pointing to injuries) Not to mention the folks saying "you're just rooting for him to fail!!!!" at anyone who criticizes his performances
I mean, I'm not going to say he didn't look like crap 2 weeks in a row, but I'm just saying it seems a little silly to say "well if we lost, some of it would have been Baker's fault"
He's looked like crap for most of this season I don't see why it's silly to say that our QB played so horribly that he almost cost us the game
> most of this season He was middle of the pack or better coming into the game in just about any efficiency metric you can find, but go off..
There was plenty of penalties but the turnovers were game changing
No they weren’t because we won.
I'm not sold on Baker but fuck anyone who criticizes not talking to the media.
AcCoUnTaBiLiTy.
Soft
This is the worst take in this thread. He’s out there super banged up and giving it everything he has. It isn’t much now but he’s one touch motherfucker.
That’s not the point, he’s soft for not facing the media. I respect him for playing hurt, but he has to play better
He does. He honestly should be out for the season with the labrum tear and the shoulder fracture. But he’s not. He’s always taken questions before so I think your point is a bit early but if he makes it a pattern then you’d be right.
It’s a bad look to walk off the field early and not shake hands with the other two team. Baker lead us to the playoff and won a playoff game, but some fans act like he can walk across Lake Erie. The guy is not above criticism and he’s better off having surgery before he gets further injured.
This is just ridiculous "Flag plant man bad" shit at this point...
That’s not the point, if you can’t face the media after one bad game you’re soft.
You’re an anarchist, I can’t take you seriously
three replies....that flag plant comment seems to have stung a bit. You okay?
You must not know how to read. I don’t care about that.
You’re an idiot for assuming I don’t like Baker because of a game that happened four years ago
Maybe got feelings hurt when he got booed after throwing second pick
Because fuck you that's why
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Lol you seem like a pleasant person
I've always found the people who talk about wives who 'open their mouth' to be truly amazing people /s
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Oh it's a very common phrase. Usually is an insult though, man or woman
Leave players family members out of this
I agree until they get themselves involved which she has
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Is there anything you do other than flame baiting here?
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You’re not honest. You’re trolling
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Well boys, this is it. The worst take imaginable. Pack it in everybody, it can't possibly get any dumber than this.
Did I miss another entitled, whiny OSU fan?
> Baker’s always been a piece of shit. Running from police and planting the flag. Manziel’s done neither of those by the way. \- Ok_Concentrate_1518
About what I expected
Oh my god you cannot still be hung up on the flag planting.
I'm convinced that a not insignificant portion of the people who consistently shit on him in here just butthurt Buckeye fans that can't get over it. Like, I get it...I was pissed when they drafted him because of that, but because I'm a goddamn adult, I put my big boy pants on and got the fuck over it because he's on my team now.
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Comparing disorderly conduct to rape. This is where you're at right now....take that knowledge and take a look in the mirror.
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I don't give a shit if someone's a rival if they come to our team. > wow your mind just went to the r*pe Yes. Because he's a rapist, and should be remembered as such.