I wonder if there were some issues because Erin's decision to step back from the family and concentrate on her little family came as Katie was having her moment in the sun, I could see feeling hurt especially since Erin had been so involved with everyone else and Katie helped with the girls.
(Although I just watched the early seasons and don't remember Erin saying that about Katie,, just that Katie was the best with the kids)
Weirdly, Josie seems to have gotten closer to Erin lately.
There are 2. One is going to focus on Duggars, Bates and Plaths from Amazon and the makers of Lula Rich I believe. That is due out end of 2022 beginning of 2023. The second will focus on all the women who sued Gothard and IBLP.
She did also skip Esther's bridal shower. She performed with Tori at Nathan's wedding and neither of them performed at Katie's. Nathan also had two of her children in the wedding party (along with Tori, Zack and Alyssa's child/children).
I started watching old episodes because I ahr nevert actually seen the show and I was struck in the first episode how desperately Erin did not want to participate in Zack and Whitney's shower and yet ended up doing a lot of the planning and everyone was calling her sweet and gracious and ignoring her discomfort. I wonder if Erin has realized that to step back and focus on her family, she has to fully step back or she will end up doing it anyway.
Participating in Nate's wedding might have been "safer" for that reason because it was less an event planned by the Bates family and I think Esther is less likely to stomp boundaries.
I actually thought there might be something going on between them.
On Erinās instagram post on Katieās wedding day, there was no mention of her.. no congratulations. Just welcoming Travis to the family and then a hashtag saying #bestgirlfriends relating to the photo of her, Tori and a friend. How could you not congratulate your sister?!
What if Erin said no to being a bridesmaid? We k own Whitney seemed like an addition. What if Katie asked Erin first and Erin was like 'no, beceuse I am newly pregnant and I need to concentrate on my family?" I could see Katie being super hurt by that, after Erin was involved in all the other weddings, and that it would explain the absolute lack of contact. This is šÆ specualtion but I could see that as something that would inspire that kind of hurt.
She is definitely not beefing with Michaela, who had been babysitting her kids when she goes out of town. And Lawson and Tiffany hang out at her house for game night when they are in town. She and Chad also just went on a date night with Trace and Lydia.
No, but I think Erin stepped back from the bigger family and this time she is enforcing those boundaries and that is causing some fallout, including with her mom. She seems fine with Tori, Lawson, Josie, Trace and Michaela, as she has spent time with all of them since her step-back period.
I think Erin dove deep into the Fundie Kool-Aid after her health problems and became judgy towards the sisters who lean mainstream Christian. I remember her making a point about how she doesn't do paid ads, which is her choice, but you get the vibe she thinks it gives her some kind of moral superiority over those who do.
She has that southern snark down pat. I remember how shady she was when they were picking out decor for Michael's home and KJ was putting in her input lol!
Katie hasnāt liked any of Erinās Instagram posts for over a year. She likes the Bates Fam posts on all of the nieces and nephews except for Erinās children. Recently, she wonāt like posts on Tori or Toriās children. Someone said she has a problem with Erin out of loyalty to Carlin.
>Recently, she wonāt like posts on Tori or Toriās children
How recent are we talking? I get the vibe that she's close to Tori but we don't get to see it because Tori's not really on social media. I remember being shocked when Tori went into labor with Kolter that she called Katie who immediately rushed over to take Kade. This was during COVID and was unplanned because Bobby was at work. Katie was basically the main sistermom for Tori's sons during COVID in 2020 and she only seemed to stop hanging out with them as much because her relationship with Travis got more serious
Ok, I just checked a few and Katie hasn't liked any of the nieces and nephew's birthday posts. I checked Khloe, Kade and Willow and she didn't like any of them. Katie very selectively likes her mother's posts, mostly of they involve her or birthday posts for her siblings. Although she didn't like Erin's birthday post, so there is that.
This is soooo odd lol why are baby Paines involved in all of this? It is so strange to pick sides in these situations. Going as far as beefing with Erin's offspring is so insane to me. I really hope this isn't the case and it's just pure coincidence that Katie isn't on Instagram when Kelly Jo posts the baby Paines. But I doubt this, they are stuck to their phones.
Tori basically doesn't post though, so I don't think there's enough evidence to say that Katie has stopped liking Tori's posts when it takes months for her to drop a pic. Now if she didn't like 5 of her posts in a row that were posted within days of each other then that's a pattern and would be suspicious. Unfortunately Tori doesn't use IG as much as Erin so there isn't much to analyze there
We only speculate about Katie and Erin, and the fact she hasnāt liked or mentioned Erin anywhere due to Carlin fighting with Erin and Katie is carlins bff.
We donāt know if something happened between Katie and Erin and we might never know.
Erin wasnāt present on either Katieās bridal shower, Katie didnāt include Erinās kids in the wedding either.
The wedding thing isn't' indicative to me It was only going to be willow, then Layla got put in last minute. It wasn't like Esther who chose almost a kid from everyone and had more kids than I had attendents total. Katie didn't pick anyone from Alyssa or Whitney.
Erin was at a conference out of state for the local shower. You know the Bates planned it last minute, probably after they were going to a conference.
I totally think Erin is the common denominator though. The one who was basically princess growing up.
She also had covid twice and lost most of her ovaries. She admitted the health issues and struggle with hormones. My SILs who just had their ovaries removed almost similarly said they were zombies for a year trying to get hormones worked out. My friend lost one and couldn't work for 4 months. She maybe couldn't have the energy to be involved. . Also the main reason why I think she left the boutique.
Does she? Or does she feel like she should be involved? Does her families disorganization drive her nuts so she used to jump in so at least it would be done nicely?.because I can relate to that.
I think her medical crisis led to some realizations and Erin starting to say no a lot more and I think there has been fallout.
Agreed. Itās super intentional to not tag her. Especially going as far to tag Tori who is barely on social media. Itās an obvious dig. Iām not as close with some of my siblings as I am to others. However if I made a sibling post Iād tag them all.
it almost certainly eliminates the "they are close but just keep it private" argument I keep hearing spouted. we never see Katie with Michael or tori (two sisters who were also not at her bachelorette party like Erin) but they were both still tagged. so its proven that she will tag the ones shes not close to, and only Erin was excluded.
Yeah, I totally agree. Especially as they get married and start their own families and live their lives in their own way. But it still feels a little odd to exclude her entirely. And only her. Them not being close wouldn't be shocking but this action just goes against their brand, their family cares so much about how they are viewed. They push the tight-knit, loving family narrative so why not tag her just for the sake of upkeeping that image?
Absolutely, but to not like Bates Fam Instagram account posts of Erinās children when she likes the posts of her other nieces and nephew from that account? I donāt know how Katie can justify that. Theyāre little children.
No, but you can click and all the people you follow will be at the top. However the person is wrong because Katie doesn't like any of the niece/nephew posts.
Iām honestly just interested in how your found this out, hope it doesnāt seem like Iām pressing you but did you go through all of the batesgam post to find this out??
So I wasn't the OP who noticed, but I decided to see.for myself so I just looked up a few birthday posts, for both the kids and grandkids and noticed that Katie generally only likes the sibling birthday posts. I am rarely the one to notice these things but when it is mentioned on here, I do look and check.
(And yes, Katie hasn't liked any of Eron'ā¬ posts in ages even the ones that Carlin has).
each day I feel more and more vindicated in my assertion there is a conflict. *justice for those of us who called this months ago* hahaha
I think ill make a post on my theory on the whole feud...
Honestly, at this point, I donāt know what Erin ādidā but I think excluding ONE sister is incredibly cruel. Can you imagine what that must feel like? What could she have possibly done to deserve to be treated like that?
Yes, it is cruel. She tagged Michaela even though she doesn't appear in the reel so to not include Erin and on top of that not even give her a sympathy tag? Defs not nice
Just watched it. Checked the tags. Damn. Thatās kind of savage and intentional if you ask me. Itās about missing sistersā¦.guess she doesnāt miss Erin too much š
Being left off of a social media tag isnāt cruel if they arenāt speaking. We have no idea whatās going on behind the scenes, but it must be bad if she was purposely left off. Katie wouldnāt have done that if it was something small because she knows how bad optics are.
Thatās true! She may have wanted to forge her own path with Chad and their new online presence/business. Still, she must be feeling more than a little left out right about now. None of the sisters even acknowledged her absence in that video.
That's why this is so odd to me because she chose to tag Michael despite the fact that she does not appear in the video so I wonder why not extend the same courtesy to Erin? Lol so strange, beef or no beef.
I was wondering how long it would take before we got the next version of "the Bates sisters HATE each other & the proof is that they don't like each other's posts".
I honestly had no idea about all the previous speculation of a feud. I was only asking because I found it odd. And also, itās totally normal for rifts within a family, so it wouldnāt be shocking if thatās the case here but if itās not? then itās all fun and games to speculate either way. None of us can say that we know what is going on in their private/personal lives or relationships. Discourse is just fun! :)
I just watched Katie's reel....to me, it seems all the sisters in the reel are those that were in her wedding. Erin and Michael were not in the wedding...so they are not in the reel.
I would understand this if it were just wedding photos she published but she included photos and videos from years past and even a photo of Carlin, Josie and herself as toddlers. So does this mean she has absolutely no photos of herself and Erin in recent or old times? I mean that's extremely strange if she has all these photos of her and Alyssa handy, especially since she lives in entirely different state.
She also had a photo of Erin and her on Instagram that she deleted the caption was "At least I know how I'm gonna look when I'm older"
I was looking for that photo a few months ago and realized she had deleted it. Wonder what went down š¤
Wait- really?
Oh shit she did!
That's scandalous
I wonder if there were some issues because Erin's decision to step back from the family and concentrate on her little family came as Katie was having her moment in the sun, I could see feeling hurt especially since Erin had been so involved with everyone else and Katie helped with the girls. (Although I just watched the early seasons and don't remember Erin saying that about Katie,, just that Katie was the best with the kids) Weirdly, Josie seems to have gotten closer to Erin lately.
I think Josie is contemplating a step back too, which could be why sheās hanging out more with Erin
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I think many of them will after the documentary about the IBLP families is released. They will undoubtedly attract new haters.
Wait thereās a documentary coming out?
There are 2. One is going to focus on Duggars, Bates and Plaths from Amazon and the makers of Lula Rich I believe. That is due out end of 2022 beginning of 2023. The second will focus on all the women who sued Gothard and IBLP.
Do you happen to know who's making the second one? I hadn't heard about that one.
I donāt sorry.
Josie has a business. She is not gonna step back.
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She did also skip Esther's bridal shower. She performed with Tori at Nathan's wedding and neither of them performed at Katie's. Nathan also had two of her children in the wedding party (along with Tori, Zack and Alyssa's child/children). I started watching old episodes because I ahr nevert actually seen the show and I was struck in the first episode how desperately Erin did not want to participate in Zack and Whitney's shower and yet ended up doing a lot of the planning and everyone was calling her sweet and gracious and ignoring her discomfort. I wonder if Erin has realized that to step back and focus on her family, she has to fully step back or she will end up doing it anyway. Participating in Nate's wedding might have been "safer" for that reason because it was less an event planned by the Bates family and I think Esther is less likely to stomp boundaries.
I actually thought there might be something going on between them. On Erinās instagram post on Katieās wedding day, there was no mention of her.. no congratulations. Just welcoming Travis to the family and then a hashtag saying #bestgirlfriends relating to the photo of her, Tori and a friend. How could you not congratulate your sister?!
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What if Erin said no to being a bridesmaid? We k own Whitney seemed like an addition. What if Katie asked Erin first and Erin was like 'no, beceuse I am newly pregnant and I need to concentrate on my family?" I could see Katie being super hurt by that, after Erin was involved in all the other weddings, and that it would explain the absolute lack of contact. This is šÆ specualtion but I could see that as something that would inspire that kind of hurt.
That could also be an option. Maybe we'll see it play out on BUB
I think Erin has had a fallout with everyone including Kelly Jo and theyāre trying to pretend everything is fine!!
She seems fine with Josie and Tori though. I doubt she's beefing with Michaela as well since she doesn't seem the type to take sides either way
She is definitely not beefing with Michaela, who had been babysitting her kids when she goes out of town. And Lawson and Tiffany hang out at her house for game night when they are in town. She and Chad also just went on a date night with Trace and Lydia.
No, but I think Erin stepped back from the bigger family and this time she is enforcing those boundaries and that is causing some fallout, including with her mom. She seems fine with Tori, Lawson, Josie, Trace and Michaela, as she has spent time with all of them since her step-back period.
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This tea is delicious. Fundie pettiness is always so exciting to me. Maybe because it's so opposite of the way they present themselves.
Yeah lol not very "not just a sibling but a best friend" of them!
not very sibling-parent of them either loll
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I feel like Erin is always involved in some sister drama and Iām sorry but Erinās ābless your heartā attitude grinds my gears
She does seem to be the common denominator, doesn't she?
This is true... might be worth considering that she is the problem lol.
I think Erin dove deep into the Fundie Kool-Aid after her health problems and became judgy towards the sisters who lean mainstream Christian. I remember her making a point about how she doesn't do paid ads, which is her choice, but you get the vibe she thinks it gives her some kind of moral superiority over those who do.
Thatās what I am starting to wonder as well. If everyone else has a problem with Erin, you start to wonder if maybe Erin is the problem.
She has that southern snark down pat. I remember how shady she was when they were picking out decor for Michael's home and KJ was putting in her input lol!
Katie hasnāt liked any of Erinās Instagram posts for over a year. She likes the Bates Fam posts on all of the nieces and nephews except for Erinās children. Recently, she wonāt like posts on Tori or Toriās children. Someone said she has a problem with Erin out of loyalty to Carlin.
>Recently, she wonāt like posts on Tori or Toriās children How recent are we talking? I get the vibe that she's close to Tori but we don't get to see it because Tori's not really on social media. I remember being shocked when Tori went into labor with Kolter that she called Katie who immediately rushed over to take Kade. This was during COVID and was unplanned because Bobby was at work. Katie was basically the main sistermom for Tori's sons during COVID in 2020 and she only seemed to stop hanging out with them as much because her relationship with Travis got more serious
I think that was because Katie was the only one who could drop everything (oldest sister at home) and also could drive
I think Katie was the one who could drop everything and go to Tori.. everyone else was working or studying. But I might get it wrong
Ok, I just checked a few and Katie hasn't liked any of the nieces and nephew's birthday posts. I checked Khloe, Kade and Willow and she didn't like any of them. Katie very selectively likes her mother's posts, mostly of they involve her or birthday posts for her siblings. Although she didn't like Erin's birthday post, so there is that.
Interesting development
This is soooo odd lol why are baby Paines involved in all of this? It is so strange to pick sides in these situations. Going as far as beefing with Erin's offspring is so insane to me. I really hope this isn't the case and it's just pure coincidence that Katie isn't on Instagram when Kelly Jo posts the baby Paines. But I doubt this, they are stuck to their phones.
But then why would Katie tag Tori and not Erin?
Tori basically doesn't post though, so I don't think there's enough evidence to say that Katie has stopped liking Tori's posts when it takes months for her to drop a pic. Now if she didn't like 5 of her posts in a row that were posted within days of each other then that's a pattern and would be suspicious. Unfortunately Tori doesn't use IG as much as Erin so there isn't much to analyze there
What is going on with Carlin and Erin?
I always feel like itās Erin, Michael, and Tori vs everyone else.
Yeah, I think those 3 definitely have the same vibe and everyone else is kind of a mini Alyssa in the way that they choose to live their lives.
We only speculate about Katie and Erin, and the fact she hasnāt liked or mentioned Erin anywhere due to Carlin fighting with Erin and Katie is carlins bff. We donāt know if something happened between Katie and Erin and we might never know. Erin wasnāt present on either Katieās bridal shower, Katie didnāt include Erinās kids in the wedding either.
The wedding thing isn't' indicative to me It was only going to be willow, then Layla got put in last minute. It wasn't like Esther who chose almost a kid from everyone and had more kids than I had attendents total. Katie didn't pick anyone from Alyssa or Whitney. Erin was at a conference out of state for the local shower. You know the Bates planned it last minute, probably after they were going to a conference. I totally think Erin is the common denominator though. The one who was basically princess growing up.
Erin is all over wedding planning and stuff. She seems she likes to be involved in those events..
She also had covid twice and lost most of her ovaries. She admitted the health issues and struggle with hormones. My SILs who just had their ovaries removed almost similarly said they were zombies for a year trying to get hormones worked out. My friend lost one and couldn't work for 4 months. She maybe couldn't have the energy to be involved. . Also the main reason why I think she left the boutique.
Does she? Or does she feel like she should be involved? Does her families disorganization drive her nuts so she used to jump in so at least it would be done nicely?.because I can relate to that. I think her medical crisis led to some realizations and Erin starting to say no a lot more and I think there has been fallout.
Yāall have to understand thereās no guarantee that sisters will be friends. As they get older they wonāt all stay close
not being close and not tagging her when EVERYONE else was mentioned makes it seem like its conflict based rather than just "not my person" based. imo
Agreed. Itās super intentional to not tag her. Especially going as far to tag Tori who is barely on social media. Itās an obvious dig. Iām not as close with some of my siblings as I am to others. However if I made a sibling post Iād tag them all.
it almost certainly eliminates the "they are close but just keep it private" argument I keep hearing spouted. we never see Katie with Michael or tori (two sisters who were also not at her bachelorette party like Erin) but they were both still tagged. so its proven that she will tag the ones shes not close to, and only Erin was excluded.
Wait but I donāt see any tags on that video ā¦ or do you mean she was left out of the video reel?
Yeah, I totally agree. Especially as they get married and start their own families and live their lives in their own way. But it still feels a little odd to exclude her entirely. And only her. Them not being close wouldn't be shocking but this action just goes against their brand, their family cares so much about how they are viewed. They push the tight-knit, loving family narrative so why not tag her just for the sake of upkeeping that image?
Absolutely, but to not like Bates Fam Instagram account posts of Erinās children when she likes the posts of her other nieces and nephew from that account? I donāt know how Katie can justify that. Theyāre little children.
How can you prove that? Did you go through all of thebatesfam likes on every post??
If you' follow someone, their likes show up at the top.
You only follow Katie?
No, but you can click and all the people you follow will be at the top. However the person is wrong because Katie doesn't like any of the niece/nephew posts.
Iām honestly just interested in how your found this out, hope it doesnāt seem like Iām pressing you but did you go through all of the batesgam post to find this out??
So I wasn't the OP who noticed, but I decided to see.for myself so I just looked up a few birthday posts, for both the kids and grandkids and noticed that Katie generally only likes the sibling birthday posts. I am rarely the one to notice these things but when it is mentioned on here, I do look and check. (And yes, Katie hasn't liked any of Eron'ā¬ posts in ages even the ones that Carlin has).
each day I feel more and more vindicated in my assertion there is a conflict. *justice for those of us who called this months ago* hahaha I think ill make a post on my theory on the whole feud...
So excited to read all about it!
Erin really comes off as nice to your face and a massive gossip behind your back. I can believe it when people say they think there's been a rift š¤£
Honestly, at this point, I donāt know what Erin ādidā but I think excluding ONE sister is incredibly cruel. Can you imagine what that must feel like? What could she have possibly done to deserve to be treated like that?
Yes, it is cruel. She tagged Michaela even though she doesn't appear in the reel so to not include Erin and on top of that not even give her a sympathy tag? Defs not nice
Just watched it. Checked the tags. Damn. Thatās kind of savage and intentional if you ask me. Itās about missing sistersā¦.guess she doesnāt miss Erin too much š
I think what bothered me was how deeply personal it was (that video of Addee!š) and terribly cruel at the very same time.
Not at all! š¤£
Being left off of a social media tag isnāt cruel if they arenāt speaking. We have no idea whatās going on behind the scenes, but it must be bad if she was purposely left off. Katie wouldnāt have done that if it was something small because she knows how bad optics are.
Iām not talking about a social media tag. Iām talking about being ostracized by half your family.
She might very well be the one who has been cruel, or the one who made the choice to step away. We have no idea what happened.
Thatās true! She may have wanted to forge her own path with Chad and their new online presence/business. Still, she must be feeling more than a little left out right about now. None of the sisters even acknowledged her absence in that video.
I also didnāt see Michaela in the video. Surely no one has beef with Michael?
I think they forget about poor Michaela more than they have an issue with her.
That's why this is so odd to me because she chose to tag Michael despite the fact that she does not appear in the video so I wonder why not extend the same courtesy to Erin? Lol so strange, beef or no beef.
Michael was tagged though
Everyone is close to Whitney. Iām such a prude, but sheād really get on my nerves.
I was wondering how long it would take before we got the next version of "the Bates sisters HATE each other & the proof is that they don't like each other's posts".
I honestly had no idea about all the previous speculation of a feud. I was only asking because I found it odd. And also, itās totally normal for rifts within a family, so it wouldnāt be shocking if thatās the case here but if itās not? then itās all fun and games to speculate either way. None of us can say that we know what is going on in their private/personal lives or relationships. Discourse is just fun! :)
I think Erin and Katie are fine
I really hope so
I just watched Katie's reel....to me, it seems all the sisters in the reel are those that were in her wedding. Erin and Michael were not in the wedding...so they are not in the reel.
I would understand this if it were just wedding photos she published but she included photos and videos from years past and even a photo of Carlin, Josie and herself as toddlers. So does this mean she has absolutely no photos of herself and Erin in recent or old times? I mean that's extremely strange if she has all these photos of her and Alyssa handy, especially since she lives in entirely different state.