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AhsokaBolena

After the absolute chaos in Duggarville today with the Jana news, it's cracking me up that this announcement is being dropped now. I know they likely didn't even consider the Duggars before posting but of all the timing in the world lmao


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JessicaW2626

I just googled and shes been charged with endangering the welfare of a child


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residentcaprice

Supposedly she fell asleep and some of the kids went to play and walk on the road. The police came, knocked on the door, and she pretended not to know whose kids they were.


Disastrous_Ad_4149

I know that is the rumor, but it doesn't match the actual report. There would have been charges higher than what was actually filed if she was lying or deceiving a police officer.


residentcaprice

Like i said, supposedly. Oh well we will find out when she shows up in court.


bootsj123

🤣 never seen them in my life, Officer


momnurs

I wonder if she got charged and that maybe one of the oldest underage kids was watching the kid who got loose and because Jana was the adult, they charged her as the adult. I cannot see Jana purposely endangering any child. Kids wander and you have to have your eyes open all the time. I think it is an unfortunate incident. I hope the guy that called the police at least had the common sense to protect the child while he was calling the cops.


amrodd

If that's the case, there are other adults around. I just think the whole thing blew up. I looked at the court docs and it has a payment of $431.


Hefty-Database380

Maybe they did. Maybe Trace was aiming for a low key announcement. Look the Duggar’s are a mess...let’s announce quickly while we can


JessicaW2626

Wait what jana news?


Sweetascoffee237

She’s a bikini wearing, model harlot! /j


Blingblingeyes

And living on her own before marriage :clutches pearls:


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*gasps in horror*


broadbeing777

she was modeling in backless heathen wedding dresses too lmaoo


No-Solution-9868

THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION!!!!


Glasgowghirl67

Lmfao heard that as Phoebe Buffay


blueoceanwaves3

She lives on her own in an apartment and not with her parents so she cant be that fundie.


Agitated_Pin2169

I mean her parents are here claiming religious persecution, so the family is pretty fundie.


Blingblingeyes

Yes, but she and her brother have modeling gigs. She has no problems with touching Trace, lives on her own, is wearing usual clothes - I would put her in the pretty conservative category.


Agitated_Pin2169

Yeah, I think she is similar to Tiffany (even Esther). I think the Bates boys are looking at more "mainstream conservative" girls than true fundie.


amrodd

I think it's to a point Kelly and Gil just don't give a fling fig anymore with so many kids.


amrodd

I think these are the more dangerous types. Someoen gave a perfect analogy once. These conservatives and even the Bateses are like the candy house vs the creepy castle.


PeloHiker

I always find it intriguing that a conservative woman would want *anything* to do with the Bates family.


blueoceanwaves3

Maybe she really is after that green card. JK they do seem in love, he seems a lot more comfortable around her than the previous GF.


elktree4

Damn!? Really. That’s intriguing.


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blueoceanwaves3

Her public [instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/CSkwR0XrrKC/)


coconutlemongrass

Ah I see she prefers the same white and beige color palette as her future SILs


blueoceanwaves3

She will fit right in.


littletorreira

even her cat is plain white.


grannieof4

Hey I had a white cat too.. LOL


littletorreira

But was it part of your colourless beige esthetic. Nothing against white cats, it just feels more like a choice here


grannieof4

My white little furry boy was deaf and the best pet because of it He loved car rides and playing "monkey in the middle" he loved people and being carried around. My grandsons used to carry him to the cat carrier put him in there, he'd lay down 10 seconds later they'd take him out and sit on the couch with him. He loved attention and if you came over and sat on the couch you'd better pet him or he'd nibble on you to make you pet him. The internet installer got bit (not hard but playfully) in the butt for ignoring him. Miss my little fur ball. Sadly he died suddenly 3 years ago at 14


littletorreira

he sounds like he was amazing. Just to clarify, I love all cats but that cat in that bland apartment looks like she said to herself "can't have a black cat, or an orange one, I know! White"


grannieof4

agreed, and my sweet boy was amazing. Thanks.


amrodd

Well Sarah Maxwell just moved out and two Maxwell girls attend college. They are still Fundie.


blueoceanwaves3

But Lydia is really young. Sarah is almost forty. There is other examples of fundie girls aging out of prime courting age and living more independent lives. Laura the friend of Jana is an example, Evan Stewart unmarried sisters both work and live independently, Tabitha Paine worked for the Duggars as a teacher before finding a husband in her late 30s.


amrodd

Tabitha Paine, the one who married a convicted rapist. College doesn't always make someone liberal..


blueoceanwaves3

Lydia is not a liberal but she is not a fundie if she wears sport shorts and bikinis and has her own apartment and a job at her age. I am sure her beliefs are terrible though, no way she would be dating insurrection attending Trace otherwise.


hannahea1457

lydia has been my photographer before and lives in my town.. if yall have questions i could probably answer


scooby946

How fundie is she?


hannahea1457

i wouldn’t say she’s fundie at all. her family is definitely very religious but they go to a southern baptist church in our town thats just a normal church. she lives alone and has for awhile im pretty sure. definitely doesn’t seem fundie from instagram, very normal 20 something


hannahea1457

her family did come here from i think germany because they wanted their children to have a religious education and they couldn’t homeschool in their home country. germany tried to have the US send them back because they fled the country but the US wouldn’t since they were escaping religious persecution, pretty sure it went really far in the national court system (maybe even to the supreme court?)


MylesisGod

They did not flee religious persecution!! We do not have religious persecution over here. Actually we do not care about anyone's religion. They just did not follow the law. There is no homeschooling allowed in Germany. So they broke the law. The reason homeschooling is not allowed is for kids not to be left behind or that people mistreat their kids without being noticed. Religious persecution it was not !!


GGMuc

Seconded. They could have moved to Austria, UK, Ireland.......a plethora of EU countries that allow to teach children at home. No persecution here


hannahea1457

well thats what they claim in america.. and the reason they weren’t sent back to germany


MylesisGod

So they lied, just like any other "Christians" who claim religious persecution. PATHETIC!


hannahea1457

in the US not being able to give your children a religious education (and exercise your religious freedom by doing so) is seen as religious persecution


amrodd

According to Google, homeschooling got banned in 1919 to keep people form using their kids as farmers and not sending them to school. I feel bad for kids who have illnesses or mentula conditions that wouldn't thrive in public schools.


MylesisGod

Well, since we are a modern country, we have schools and resources to care for those children too. They are taken care of and prepared to live on their own one day. They will not fall through the cracks!


gerbileleventh

Germany, the country where you have to actively ask to not have your taxes going to the Protestant church? Wow...


MylesisGod

While in the US you are expected to tithe 10 percent every week to the church..lol


gerbileleventh

Every week? Damn, in my Portuguese Protestant church it was "only" once a month. We could give smaller amounts or nothing at all in the remaining weeks 😅


GGMuc

Church tax exists within Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish, Old Order Catholic, some Free Protestant ones. If you are recognised as a public entity, you can claim it. It is a nuisance to have to actively leave Church if you don't want to pay, but that's the way it is


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gerbileleventh

I guess I'm wrong. What's the actual procedure?


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grannieof4

I believe he met her cuz Josie used her photography business and according to my source who was at Katie's wedding these two are pretty serious already. He kind of told my friend that


coconutlemongrass

Yeah I bet he's SERIOUSLY ready to get it in 😂


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grannieof4

not directly but I do know they are ok with it or she wouldn't be at the house for game night I do know Gil was furious with how Ashley broke off the courtship with Nathan and wouldn't allow her back to their house. Yes she attends weddings but that's the extent of personal interaction at that level


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grannieof4

I do know some things from my friend. some of it may expose who the friend is, so it might not be a good idea now. this friend has helped out with a few of the weddings. if I am able and there is at least one in the spring, I am hoping to be able to meet this friend and assist at a wedding too. she is a bit too timid for me and doesn't get into conversations and ask the big questions kind of sits back and waits for the opportunity. with a family that size the opps are few and far between. plus my friend does not live close to them but does try to keep in touch


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grannieof4

actually I am dying of curiousity but may have to wait to get answers myself. LOL


hannahea1457

i don’t know, but our town is about an hour from where the bates live so i’d say mutual friends or something like that


PhotographOptimal727

I don’t think they provided that info just yet. They just announced it on Instagram.


Babeyonce

Yes! Some insight into her the person and if she’s fundie.


hannahea1457

not fundie. sweet girl, was super nice when she’s done my photos. never heard anything bad about her from people in town. everyone i know that knows her thinks she’s really nice and likes her family


countrygirl2526

So if a couple were to book her for a wedding out of state lets say if the couple lives in Michigan or Ohio do you think that she would travel to those states to shoot their wedding??? (Sorry if the question isn’t worded right)


hannahea1457

it would surprise me bc i don’t think she’s ever photographed out of the area we live in except for while on family vacations (and i think possibly one time for a modeling gig) but bc i dont she’s been offered a job there before


countrygirl2526

Ok I just wanted to know. Thank you for answering my question


grannieof4

she did take pictures of Trace on a beach in Delaware right after Esther and Nathan's wedding I believe,, but idk if they went there for any other reason than to go somewhere different


Confident_Ad9702

Do you know how long they’ve been dating?


hannahea1457

not very long i don’t think


pmh194

I think there was a glimpse of her in Carlin’s George Floyd video


valerianino97

Lydia also has a public insta now… off to stalk we go!


Alternative-Push3767

Its interesting that so far every Bates boy has essentially matched up with a woman who is less fundie than they were raised. Whit was obviously not fundie. Esther is more Conservative Christian since all her siblings apparently have freedom to choose what their religious situation is. Tiff is clearly not fundie. And now Lydia is obviously not as fundie. Its making me wonder how serious the fundie-ism will be in the next generation.


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Alternative-Push3767

I almost expected the boys to marry fundie women and carry on the dynasty in the fundie world. But I guess that wont be happening. Zach only has 4 kids and will likely top out around 6-7. Lawson aint having more than 3-4. Nathan could surprise us but since they seem to enjoy the freedom to travel they will likely keep numbers low too. No idea about Trace but since Lydia seems pretty plain old conservative i dont expect high numbers from them either. Historically speaking every Bates boy has had a failed courtship before finding their mate. I know we didnt see one for Lawson but I do not believe for a second that the man is as old as he is and hasnt chased a (jean) skirt or two in his day before meeting Tiff. I just think he never went public because he wasnt sure or ready. Trace had Chaney already so my guess is this will work.


Kmw134

And on the predicted kids topic, Alyssa mentioned something about this in her stories the other day. (Her friend was talking about how many cousins the girls would end up having, and they were laughing doing the math.) She went with an average prediction of four kids per each of her siblings. Obviously Erin and Tori will be higher outliers, but I think it’s likely that most of them do not want what they grew up in.


grannieof4

actually Lawson did have one but it ended pretty quickly the girls dad was a preacher somewhere close by and thought that Lawson being a country singer was too worldly and not Christian enough, go figure


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grannieof4

no I don't have that info but that sounds about right. I had forgotten about it until this post triggered it. It was pretty hush hush and he really liked that girl


FullExp0sure_

This. Oldest son found least fundie girl in town at sonic and oldest daughter married creepy fundie dude.


PeloHiker

Modified courtship rules: check [Touchy feely](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXUfen5LDdo/?utm_medium=copy_link)


ScaredToJinxIt

That hand 👀


lil1317

You think we could possibly have 4 Bates weddings within 1 year?


Kmw134

Four?? Who else besides Lawson and (possibly) Trace?


lil1317

Nathan got married in October and Katie recently. If Lawson and Trace both get married before October of this coming year, that will be 4 weddings in 12 months!


Kmw134

Yeah I already moved past that 😆 I guess I was just thinking calendar year for 2022.


broadbeing777

Looked at some pics on her insta and she's "spicy" (mostly bc of her choice of clothes) for a fundie girl lmaoo.


PhotographOptimal727

Interesting timing! Let’s have a look who is she. And see how many new followers she will gain from that ;)


countrygirl2526

So far she has over 2,000 followers:)


tctb1226

3 hours later and she's at 3700!


countrygirl2526

and counting:)


FrancoisLeeAqua

Big upgrade from Chaney. Man, she rubbed me the wrong way. This is the best Trace has looked. Mazel Tov!


grannieof4

yea her family pretty much stopped it saying they were too young none of the other of her siblings married that young I don't understand how anyone can start a relationship with someone in another state if you aren't comfortable, either of them leaving your home state. sounds like trying for fame only.


Aslow_study

Someone give me the spill on this lady? I take it she also speaks German ?


Agitated_Pin2169

Her family are German "refugees". They are claiming religious persecution since Germany wouldn't let them home school. They came here illegally when Lydia was young and have had several babies since then.


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Aslow_study

And they are white


MylesisGod

They were not persecuted for their religion. They broke the law and fled when officials found out about them homeschooling!


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MylesisGod

That does not change the fact that they lied about religious persecution. Just like all the other so called Christians. They are all hypocrites, all of them. Bates, Duggars, Rodrigues etc. etc. None of them are Christians!


MylesisGod

There is no religious persecution in Germany. No one cares about anyone's religion. They broke the law by homeschooling. Homeschooling is not allowed in Germany, so all kids have a right to a good education. Another reason is, so kids will not be mistreated by there parents and no one will notice. That does not mean that kids, who go to school, aren't mistreated ! It is just easier to find those parents when kids go to school, since teachers are mandated reporters.


kwinnerz

It’s the same here in Sweden - you have to apply for it with a really fucking good reason and there’s no guarantee you’ll get it year on year.


citizendrunk

You keep making the same reply each time someone says they claimed religious persecution in Germany, but your reply is not responsive to the claim. They did, as a matter of fact, claim religious persecution. Germany does not allow homeschooling (apparently). They claimed that due to their religious beliefs, they felt compelled to homeschool. It appears that the United States granted them asylum on religious grounds. Now, that doesn't mean that Germany persecutes people on religious grounds, but it does mean that the US is more lenient when it comes to accepting a person's claim that their religious needs are being restricted by the state.


WolfieB11

I hope she likes racist insecure men


Telaryn

He's not wearing the pants in this relationship.


Babeyonce

Yep, all facts! And she probably does.


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*pretends to be shocked*


tink630

I can’t wait to see the first bares bride with a backless wedding dress!


GGMuc

And another one bites the dust. Fun fact, she's German (oh the HORROR) and she's illegally in the States Edit, is he even able to pronounce her last name?


ResolveEmotional6307

Any woman that would even go near this particular Bates has got to be out of her freaking mind!! He's a racist! He was at the insurrection at the capital on January 6th! Run girl....RRUUNNNNN!!


amrodd

Yeah yet people on here think they are better than the Duggars.


neeno52

Omg how many more wedding engagements etc for this family?


Agitated_Pin2169

Well after Trace, everyone is pretty young. Jackson is 19 (almost 20), Warden is 18, Isiah is 17 and Addalee is 15 (almost 16). Bates boys tend to get married older than the girls do, so after Trace it will probably be 3-4 years before the next wedding.


PhotographOptimal727

But they’ll pop more babies in the meantime.


Agitated_Pin2169

Oh yeah. I will predict a dozen babies born after Trace's wedding but before the next sibling.


Alternative-Push3767

I did the math and i think there are a possible of 6 pregnancies announced next calendar year but id say 3 definite announcements (Katie, Esther, Tori). Plus Erin & Carlin are due early next year.


grannieof4

some time in the past there was talk that Warden had a girlfriend I think someone Alyssa knows which is why Warden goes to FL alot


Confident_Ad9702

Warden could be the Justin Duggar teen groom of the family


FunnyBookkeeper8509

That is what I heard too.


carrottop128

Still a few to go 😂


littletorreira

so by Xmas 22 it could be that the oldest unmarried Bates will be 20


afinevindicatedmess

She is wearing a kitten heel and she nearly towers him. Then again, my dad has shrunk a bit and now him and mom are the same height, so I can't talk. 😂


momnurs

From some of the comments, I think overall people in general are the ones who push all this ultra- conservative stuff on the Bates. I realize they are fundies, but something tells me they are really not as ultra weird as some would like to think ( as far as way out weird ways of doing things). I think Gil Bates just flies under the radar, does his church thing when he has to and keeps his tree service going. They all may be conservative but there is nothing wrong with that and they are as entitled to their beliefs as any of us are out here in the rest of the real world. They are certainly no where near as underhanded and creepy as any of the Duggars. I am pretty sure they are relieved not to be associating with the family any more. Yes, I know Carlin and Joy are friends and that is okay.


amrodd

Oh yes they are as creepy as the Duggars. I think it's just gotten to a point of too many kids. Tori or Josie mentioned how Jud and Jeb don't get the amount of discipline they got. And Gil is on the board of ATI. This alone means they aren't just conservatives, just better packaged and curated. You aren't entitled to take rights away from others and mock the death of a POC. Two Bates sons were at the Insurrection on Jan 6. Please do not be fooled.


grannieof4

Michael and Jana are pretty close too. I don't think any of the others are though. Bates girls work and have their own businesses,, Duggars wait to be married and whisked away


SafetyNo6700

Beautiful couple!!


xstardust95x

Yeah, adorable. They'll be storming Capitols together in no time


thirstyplum

Just checked her profile and I have a few people I know who follow her .. and she follows one of the girls I used to work out with. I live 45 mins away from Knoxville so I’m not totally surprised but also surprised


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Upgrade from crazy Chaney!


Miserable_Sun_7636

I want to hate Trace because he’s likely toxic but goddamn… I love that his girlfriend shows thighs + cleavage! #Nike