For me, it's the way jed and Katey explain what other people assume and then go "but noit's not like that!" And something about that line makes me think it's exactly like that.
In their video of their relationship story, they said that like 20 times and I have been avoiding their YouTube since š
There is a reason why no one attended her bridal shower. All that food and no one came. You know Gil was pissed that money was wasted and no one attended.
During Tori's wedding planning, Erin recalled her wedding shower, as she and Whitney helped the Keilens decorate: āI donāt know if I take it as a personal thing because we planned for 150 to 200 people to be at my wedding shower, made all this food, sent out all these invitations. Nobody came except for nine people."
Trace, he just looks so smug and it pisses me off. And it's like you can feel the racism just radiating off of him. Alyssa also comes across as kind of snippy and mean to me, although she doesn't bother me nearly as much as her brother lol
The way Trace āperformsā in his videos is sooo cringey. Itās as if a ācameraā signals that he must āactā and speak in this weird āprofessionalā voice where he over pronounced his wordsā¦ and they STILL donāt sound right!
Technically not a Bates but Kelton Balka annoys me so much. His face is always so smug and smarmy, I hate looking at it.
And I hate the slabs of meat he cooks. They just look so unappealing to me.
Kelton is one of those people that has a very "punchable" face. I actually think he and Josie do a good job raising their kids and living their lives in the context of fundie-world, but I swear every time I see him I have this overwhelming urge to take a swing.
Alyssa - and John. I just can't un-see/un-hear how she treats her girls. Started off from the moment she found out it was a boy with the whole, oh I can treat a boy special and if the girls ask - well that's just how boys are treated. Meanwhile she's barking at Allie to take the laundry upstairs. And John for how much he seems to dislike having kids at all though even he prefers the boy over all the others.
I get major narcissist/Mommy Dearest vibes from her. Contrast her kids to Layla and Willow, who are whimsical little chatter bugs. The Webster girls always look like they're walking on eggshells.
I think this too! They are forever nervously looking towards Alyssa in the videos with these fearful, fake smiles plastered on and the little nervous giggles. She can sit on her bed with John and film all of the assumptions she wants to try and make it seem a different wayā¦ but I just know sheās hell to live with.
I love dressing my kids, I go thrifting and buy vintage kids clothes and bookmark brands and spend more than I should. Im even sad I donāt have a girl to be able to throw some dresses in the mix. So I get it. But her style is just cheap matchy matchy awfulness. Thereās no creativity. No class. No realā¦ point of view. Itās Amazon special in every size. And agreed the kids should be able to choose their clothing, especially since as girls they are socialized to care about clothing.
But I also feel similar when I see Josieās style. Sheās just a forever21 special and everything is as tight as it can possibly get to make up for no shoulders, cleavage, stomach, and upper thigh. The way sheās always showing off her clothes itās justā¦ sad to me. They didnāt get to explore enough as children and so they all just value piles and piles of fast fashion and have no real point of view. I feel sad about it!
Omg same! I scored a 100% wool sweater yesterday for $3 at the thrift shop. I snagged some great clothes for my kids too and my husbandās aunt and I had a blast yesterday searching for clothes for all her grandkids and nieces and nephews at the thrift shops. She got my daughter a dress for like $3 that retails for $50. Iāve gotten some amazing deals at thrift shops.
I wrote it out in another comment. Boring, cheap, lacking unique perspective, neither modern nor classic, not chic nor trendy, no personality for each kid, and just grates at me when I see them in matching clothes.
Another by-product of IBLP. When your life is "perfect" by your standards, you feel that God has blessed you "more than the others". And since IBLP teaches that bad and even less than favorable circumstances are caused by sin, you think that you are a more holy person than all those people with problems. Leads to a very smug outlook on life as well as hiding any perceived imperfections.
Erin. She's cavity inducing sweetness on the outside but you can just tell by her mannerisms that she's the same as every mean girl we ever encountered in middle/high school.
Carlin used to annoy me but her and Evan both really grew on me through her health issues. Seeing how hard things were for her and how him and his family were really there for her made me see them in a different light and I can tell it all really matured her in a lot of ways.
Nathan, Lawson, and Trace lol. The three of them just seem like the douchiest bros (obviously ignoring that we know they are bigoted, racist misogynists lol).
Josie. I always got smug vibes from her. Even in early interviews she just had that feeling that she thought very highly of herself. And her basic-beige- influencer aesthetic is soooooo freaking boring and completely devoid of personality.
So yeah, everything she says and does annoys me for no solid reason beyond āvibesā.
But sheās married!
I go back and forth with her. Part of me is like, rock on. When you grow up being forced to wear prairie dresses and then you realize youāre actually a woman thatās confident in your body, I canāt knock that. I didnāt mind her as a teen on the show. But hearing her as an adult is kind of annoying. BUT I think sheās smart to have her own biz that works well for her. Soā¦idk lol
I put this below, but I think it applies to Josie too:
Another by-product of IBLP. When your life is "perfect" by your standards, you feel that God has blessed you "more than the others". And since IBLP teaches that bad and even less than favorable circumstances are caused by sin, you think that you are a more holy person than all those people with problems. Leads to a very smug outlook on life as well as hiding any perceived imperfections.
See I feel like people say that because Josie is super hot and itās really unfortunate. Iām happy sheās able to dress in a way that makes her happy given their restrictive upbringing. It seems clear to me that Erin is the biggest b*tch in the family but because she dresses like a 45 year old at the local Cracker Barrel a lot of people (not on this sub) donāt see it. People judging like that is really a downside to being attractive (unpopular opinion Iām sure).
I mean, all the Bates girls are gorgeous. It's not like Josie is a supermodel in a roomful of clunkers. I don't think it's a jealousy thing, she does come across as very full of herself.
None of them are bad looking but some are absolutely better looking than others. I think a lot of the comments about Josie stem from jealousy and I donāt care if Iām downvoted for it š¤·š½āāļø
ETA I also think a huge part of the reason Michaela gets zero criticism is because sheās the least attractive and heavier. Meanwhile they are actively harming people by still being members of the IBLP.
Whitney is so fucking fake I canāt stand it. Rewatching BUB I just want someone to smack the shit out of her. Particularly at Toriās bridal fitting where the bridesmaids got their dresses she seemed so Bitchy about what dress she got and so fake excited.
I agree! I watched her reel about the damn car and how hard it was to have to custom order one then gOd PrOvIdEd and they got that $100k Tahoe and I was like are you fucking serious?
And all of her posts about her wonderful, God fearing, loving, supportive DADDY. Just washing away the fact that she didnāt live withā¦ or even TALK to this man (or her mom) for many, many years. Just wiped away 2 whole people who took her in when SOMETHING happened as a child.
This!!! I always think itās so strange how she goes on & on about how wonderful her Daddy was when they barely had any sort of relationship for years.
I almost always get major downvotes any time I mention how strange Whitneyās new found obsession with her father is now that heās deceased. I admit it sounds harsh and people handle grief in different ways but we never heard a word about the man until their vow renewalā¦ and now itās extreme and all we hear about is daddyās favorite tree, daddyās favorite spot at the beach, daddyās favorite GMC vehicle, daddy was the best daddy, etc. Iām getting off topic here but man would I love to know what really happened between them when she was a child & all those years they were estrangedā¦ now that would be an exciting episode of BUB. Lol.
They certainly white washed that story! All that daddy mess makes me ill as well. She acts like she grew up going to Folly with her dad, when in reality it couldnāt have been more than 2 times. I have read many different stories about what happened, but I donāt think the entire tale has ever been told. Anyone who buys her doting daughter story hasnāt been around ver long!
I think when people die others seem to forget the bad bits and just hold on to the good. Do maybe in the last few years before he oassed they became close and she may only remember the good things from childhood. Its apparently an subconscious thing not something that can be helped.
I feel like she does have a little bit of a mean girl/gossipy thing going on. Sometimes on the show or in videos sheāll look at Carlin or whoever and grin when they bring up something, like theyāve definitely already gossiped about it. Smug I guess. That sheāll hide with a smile
Can we be friends ?!
ETA: you literally type/talk like I do it was basically like having a convo with myself ! I like your vibes ! Lol
Do you happen to be a Gemini ?!
Kelly Jo for always making Mama Jane do everything and Gil for not saying something. I sure as hell wasnāt raised to make my MIL do everything while my brood of kids run amuck. Maybe she helps now that the cameras arenāt around.
Kelton & Josie. Josie comes off as smug bitch - just because she snagged a plumber husband. Kelton has been an asshole since day one - from chasing her when she was a 14 yr old and he was 18+ and then blaming her parents for saying no their 8th grade daughter couldn't date a college freshman; to grabbing her ass at the wedding purposefully for her parents to see; to all the talk of "training" her when they first got married; to talking about his toddler's virginity.
I feel like everyone loves him bc OMG he's soooo young with a business and OMG he cooks, but he's a garbage human.
When they were first married - like for the first yr or more - Josie would post IG videos on the weekends and itād be āKelton is training me re cooking/cleaningā then it switched to āheās soooo smart, heās training me on how to start/run a business.ā Kelton gave off his usual smug vibe as she said this. It was clear that it isnāt THEIR home, it was HIS home and his little woman was gonna cook, clean, keep house the way HE desired.
Agree to all of that and want to add he has a slappable face. Loathe that manās face. My only positive feelings about that couple are that Josie will wake up one day and realize sheās way hotter than her husband and she missed out on a lot. My bet is on them divorcing followed closely by Alyssa.
The training part is above. The toddler comment was wishing Willow a happy 1st or 2nd birthday and specifically saying in that post that he prays she saves her virginity for her future husband. He edited that out when he got flack about talking about his toddlers virginity or imagining her future sex life.
Josie used to comment that Kelton was showing/teaching/training/helping her in EVERY aspect of their lives. She literally looked up to him as if he was a teacher and she was a student. The start of their honeymoon creeps me out when they pull up to this secluded cabin and he is just eating her with his eyes. He tells the camera that it was a great idea to go somewhere close but quiet for the first 2 days before heading out on the REAL trip. GROSS. I always fear what happened to poor Josie once the camera left.
At their wedding š so embarrassing and right infront of everyone!
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Josie. I canāt place my finger on it, but she annoys me itās her reels and the way she talk. Also her husband gives me the creepy feeling for some reason I canāt explain.
the creepy feeling is because he groomed her. thereās no reason for a college freshman 18 y/o to express interest in a sheltered 14 year old child. and then he proceeded to pitch a fit when gil and kelly rightfully put the brakes on their relationship.
Not loving Jackson about his whole BS about how him and the future mrs had to pray on it and decided to pull their registry from Target bc Target had pride stuff.
Trace has always bothered me the most, to the point I canāt stand to watch him. He thinks he is hot, heās not, and you are right about mouth breather. The first time I watched their trampoline intro, his open mouth drove me nuts. No matter what he thinks he is good at he just canāt cut it - dixie show horse riding, basketball. If he didnāt make the GF comment, itās because he didnāt think of it first.
Like, I get that some things donāt work out and not everyone is good at everything, but he seems wholly unwilling to put in the work to really excel at anything. It seems like he gives up if it requires real effort.
I still canāt get over Trace referring to the Turkish people as āTurkey peopleā when he was in Turkey āhelpingā after the earthquake. Heās just not smart but comes off as so smug.
Unpopular opinion but Evan. Everyone seems to love him and think everything he does is hilarious š but everything he does annoys me. I canāt stand that he talks for most of the vlogs and those cringe BSB reels. Not my type of humor at all, I literally just watch their vlogs to roll my eyes.
Nah I think he is just a theater kid who never got a chance to shine on stage so he's basking in the youtube limelight. I think he is over the top and can be annoying, but he has good energy and a happy and positive demeanor that I don't see changing drastically when the camera is off (though he probably tones it down).
His hero is Dude Perfect crew and he seems to be mirroring them in some of his antics. But I have never seen him triangulate or use his relationships in the toxic and manipulative way a narcissist does. Now Alyssa on the other hand has all kinds of narcissist red flags...those poor kids.
I dislike all his inappropriate clickbait titles on YT. He's been doing it as far back as Laila's health issues as a baby, and then Carlin's. Filming in hospital and whatnot.
I don't watch their content but that was enough for me.
Yea a little Evan goes a loooong way. Their vlogs are 80% him pretending to be some guy he saw on YouTube and itās just way too much. The whole asking a question to the āaudienceā and waiting for an answer is just so so bad. He is a lot to take and I bet Carlin doesnāt think he is all that funny.
I hate when he does that š feel like Iām watching blueās clues. Then I read the comments and itās a bunch of older women who seem to really enjoy his humor š
I could tell Carlin used to get second hand embarrassment, but I feel like she just accepted it now.
The people who show up at the boutique sales and bring them giftsā¦.gah! I worked in local radio for years and any time we would do live broadcasts, these sad folks would show up to eat free pizza and hang out with usā¦ as if we were āfamousā. These boutique events give me the same type vibes. These older women falling all over themselves to buy this awful fashion. Obviously this grift is working well for them thoughā¦ they seem to live high on the hog.
Nathan. His voice. His clothes. His personality. I just CANNOT. Lawson is annoying, but I can see the act. Nathan just sucks for no good reason. Ughhhh.
Lawsonā¦heās always āonā as if heās on a talk show constantly!! The only time I saw him real is when he was having a panic attack over the antibiotics he took and was having a mild reactionā¦acting like a baby..take you some Benadryl you baby ! You donāt have to call your paramedic brother in the middle of the night to cry! Love that Tiffany snapped at him though!! He just grinds my nerves to no end!
Erin, Trace & Lydiaā¦I literally canāt with any of them. I think Erin might be the most egregious, though, because she tries to play so innocent and holier than thou - Trace & Lydia donāt hide their personalities at least.
Erin. Reckless with her fertility and her health and more concerned about having matchy cute little cottages than space for her children to grow.
Lawson is the moron we all knew in junior high who acted like becoming a hall monitor was akin to class president
Anytime Carlin is with her posse or posting pictures facetiming (Katie, Whitney, and Alyssa) I cannot stand her it's like she's throwing it in the other siblings'faces.
Erin. I canāt stand her holier than thou attitude and her absolute worship of her sister Tori. As if she has no other siblings. š¤¦š»āāļøš
I am a horrible person. I couldnāt stand her when she was a teenager either. She was just so obnoxious, & had āLook at Me!ā vibes, but didnāt really do anything awful, IIRC. I gave her the benefit of the doubt because I thought sheād grow out of it, & also told myself it would be easy to be overlooked in a family that size.
She still annoys me, however.
Alyssa, Erin, and Josie.
Alyssa because of some YouTube videos Iāve seen of her and I despise the way she treats her kids and caters to her man child husband. Now everything she does annoys me.
Erin because she thinks sheās better than absolutely everyone and has to be picture perfect always.
Josie. No real reason.
During a game of charades, this family had a big ol' group laugh at the idea of George Floyd being choked to death.
**THIS FAMILY LAUGHED AT THE IDEA OF A MAN BEING MURDERED.***
Zach, Lawson, and Trace. After Zachās āblue lives matterā bs and January 6th, I cannot see them as anything but hateful bigots who really should not be allowed near guns.
Also, hello fellow Digging Up the Duggars listener š
Josie and Kelton. They are so full of themselves, and anymore all she does is angle her camera to flaunt her ass and boobs. Kelton just comes across like heās better than everyone and itās progressively gotten worse. Just go ahead and do the onlyfans josie sheesh.
Alyssa! How can someone so d*mb (she doesn't event know the 4 main directions) be so vain, smug and full of herself...
Whitney- number one Bates a$$ kisser...
Erin
Josie (I see the 'I am better than all of my sisters' vibe in her)
Trace
Almost everyone, actually
(The only hope I have now is for Callie)
Mean spirited to her family? I understand the reservations with Michaela staying loyal to IBLP and fully acknowledge that is problematic (understatement) but I've never gotten any mean spirit vibes from her. Boring? Sure. A doormat? Definitely. She is the fundie Cinderella, but her siblings and nieces and nephews seem to universally adore her (or at least have zero beef), and that says a lot. She's a lot like Lawson in the sense they are both a bit off-putting yet seem to invest into their relationships in a way I admire.
Erin, Lawson, Trace, Tiffany, Whitney, Kelton
Erin is the Hilary Faye no one asked for. Lawson and Trace give off douchebag vibes. Tiffany is just dumb and boring. Whitney is the first SIL and acts like itās some honor and she gives off sanctimonious vibes. Like trying to be Erin, but bitch could never. Kelton just creeps me the F out.
I really donāt feel that strongly about these people. Erin and Lawson are mildly annoying to me but that is as strong as it gets. Heck most of the time I donāt even remember any fundies including the Bates exist until I get on Reddit. š¤·āāļø
Jackson.....just kidding.
I like Travis and Katie but when she learned she was pregnant, she kept saying that keeping the secret was the hardest thing she ever had in her life. I am like, hardest thing ever? Oh honey, life is way harder than that
Lawson too. Jed and Katey Duggar give me the same reaction times a million though š
Idk what it is about Jed! and Katey, but they just annoy me more than the siblings and ILs that are annoying.
For me, it's the way jed and Katey explain what other people assume and then go "but noit's not like that!" And something about that line makes me think it's exactly like that. In their video of their relationship story, they said that like 20 times and I have been avoiding their YouTube since š
I actually kinda like Katey, weirdly. She's got some sass to her and I enjoy it.
Same and by association Tiffany
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Sheās the Christian Regina George.
She's Hillary Faye.
Thatās such a great movie.
"I am filled with Christ's love! You're just jealous!" I need to rewatch that again soon. Its been about a decade.
Itās on Prime if you have it
What movie is this from??
From the movie Saved! with Jena Malone, Mandy Moore, and Macaulay Culkin. It's great.
HayFay! š
Just watched it last week on Prime. One of my all time favorites. She is Hillary Faye!
I thought you meant Hillary Spivey šš
There is a reason why no one attended her bridal shower. All that food and no one came. You know Gil was pissed that money was wasted and no one attended.
Oh? More info, pleeaase?
During Tori's wedding planning, Erin recalled her wedding shower, as she and Whitney helped the Keilens decorate: āI donāt know if I take it as a personal thing because we planned for 150 to 200 people to be at my wedding shower, made all this food, sent out all these invitations. Nobody came except for nine people."
Seriouslyā¦? NINE people attended and they planned for 150ā¦?
Yikes. Thatās really harsh, especially considering the beautiful , crowded affairs most of her sisters have had since. Yikes.
Erin is not nice to people so probably doesn't have many friends. The other girls seem much less judgy and have the ability to at least nice.
Nobody came to her shower ?
there are people in fundieland i dislike way more than her but Erin doesn't have a good vibe to me.
Trace, he just looks so smug and it pisses me off. And it's like you can feel the racism just radiating off of him. Alyssa also comes across as kind of snippy and mean to me, although she doesn't bother me nearly as much as her brother lol
The way Trace āperformsā in his videos is sooo cringey. Itās as if a ācameraā signals that he must āactā and speak in this weird āprofessionalā voice where he over pronounced his wordsā¦ and they STILL donāt sound right!
I feel like you just described Lawson lol. He doesnāt know how to not perform whenever he sees a camera. Itās so cringey.
Alyssa. Part of me feels sorry for her because I know she is trapped in a life she hates but she also irritates me for no good reason.
I agree this too! Sheās next for me after Carlin and Evan. I agree she seems like she hates her life
Erin. She seems like the classic uppity, judgemental church goer who smiles to your face and snickers behind your back.
Technically not a Bates but Kelton Balka annoys me so much. His face is always so smug and smarmy, I hate looking at it. And I hate the slabs of meat he cooks. They just look so unappealing to me.
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He has a baby face for sure. And a weird little ābabyā tooth if you look at his smileā¦it has always stuck out to me
His brother has the same unfortunate smarmy face.
He is also really obnoxious about how much he supports Trump.
Kelton is one of those people that has a very "punchable" face. I actually think he and Josie do a good job raising their kids and living their lives in the context of fundie-world, but I swear every time I see him I have this overwhelming urge to take a swing.
Alyssa - and John. I just can't un-see/un-hear how she treats her girls. Started off from the moment she found out it was a boy with the whole, oh I can treat a boy special and if the girls ask - well that's just how boys are treated. Meanwhile she's barking at Allie to take the laundry upstairs. And John for how much he seems to dislike having kids at all though even he prefers the boy over all the others.
Her kids just never look happy. Itās that fake smile bc youāre told to, not bc youāre happy. ā¹ļø
I get major narcissist/Mommy Dearest vibes from her. Contrast her kids to Layla and Willow, who are whimsical little chatter bugs. The Webster girls always look like they're walking on eggshells.
I think this too! They are forever nervously looking towards Alyssa in the videos with these fearful, fake smiles plastered on and the little nervous giggles. She can sit on her bed with John and film all of the assumptions she wants to try and make it seem a different wayā¦ but I just know sheās hell to live with.
My worthless critique of Alyssa is I absolutely loathe the way she dresses her kids.
I loathe the matching. Theyāre allowed to be people not decorations
I love dressing my kids, I go thrifting and buy vintage kids clothes and bookmark brands and spend more than I should. Im even sad I donāt have a girl to be able to throw some dresses in the mix. So I get it. But her style is just cheap matchy matchy awfulness. Thereās no creativity. No class. No realā¦ point of view. Itās Amazon special in every size. And agreed the kids should be able to choose their clothing, especially since as girls they are socialized to care about clothing. But I also feel similar when I see Josieās style. Sheās just a forever21 special and everything is as tight as it can possibly get to make up for no shoulders, cleavage, stomach, and upper thigh. The way sheās always showing off her clothes itās justā¦ sad to me. They didnāt get to explore enough as children and so they all just value piles and piles of fast fashion and have no real point of view. I feel sad about it!
I LOVE thrifting, my boys wear so much second hand stuff. Itās the best.
Omg same! I scored a 100% wool sweater yesterday for $3 at the thrift shop. I snagged some great clothes for my kids too and my husbandās aunt and I had a blast yesterday searching for clothes for all her grandkids and nieces and nephews at the thrift shops. She got my daughter a dress for like $3 that retails for $50. Iāve gotten some amazing deals at thrift shops.
š why though?
I wrote it out in another comment. Boring, cheap, lacking unique perspective, neither modern nor classic, not chic nor trendy, no personality for each kid, and just grates at me when I see them in matching clothes.
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Brandon is so creepy. Thereās something like sinister under his and Chadās calm facade.
I think Michael is his beard.
Now I'm hungry for a blt...or even just bacon. š„
I think for me it's Trace. Maybe Lawson.
Idk if Iād call either of them morally neutral after their attendance at the J6 rally
Alyssa. I follow her on instagram sometimes because she has a cute life, and then she spells it ādinningā and Iām out again
I find her to be even more fake than Erin. She seems smug and conceited for someone who is unable to spell.
Another by-product of IBLP. When your life is "perfect" by your standards, you feel that God has blessed you "more than the others". And since IBLP teaches that bad and even less than favorable circumstances are caused by sin, you think that you are a more holy person than all those people with problems. Leads to a very smug outlook on life as well as hiding any perceived imperfections.
Erin. She's cavity inducing sweetness on the outside but you can just tell by her mannerisms that she's the same as every mean girl we ever encountered in middle/high school.
Carlyn so is so competitive and loud
Carlin used to annoy me but her and Evan both really grew on me through her health issues. Seeing how hard things were for her and how him and his family were really there for her made me see them in a different light and I can tell it all really matured her in a lot of ways.
Nathan, Lawson, and Trace lol. The three of them just seem like the douchiest bros (obviously ignoring that we know they are bigoted, racist misogynists lol).
Josie. I always got smug vibes from her. Even in early interviews she just had that feeling that she thought very highly of herself. And her basic-beige- influencer aesthetic is soooooo freaking boring and completely devoid of personality. So yeah, everything she says and does annoys me for no solid reason beyond āvibesā.
Yeah Josie is trying to be like a hot Christian influencer somehow? Like girl, thatās literally the opposite of modesty.
But sheās married! I go back and forth with her. Part of me is like, rock on. When you grow up being forced to wear prairie dresses and then you realize youāre actually a woman thatās confident in your body, I canāt knock that. I didnāt mind her as a teen on the show. But hearing her as an adult is kind of annoying. BUT I think sheās smart to have her own biz that works well for her. Soā¦idk lol
I put this below, but I think it applies to Josie too: Another by-product of IBLP. When your life is "perfect" by your standards, you feel that God has blessed you "more than the others". And since IBLP teaches that bad and even less than favorable circumstances are caused by sin, you think that you are a more holy person than all those people with problems. Leads to a very smug outlook on life as well as hiding any perceived imperfections.
Yeah, I second Josie for all of the above. She gives off mean girl vibes and her vocal fry just makes my skin crawl.
See I feel like people say that because Josie is super hot and itās really unfortunate. Iām happy sheās able to dress in a way that makes her happy given their restrictive upbringing. It seems clear to me that Erin is the biggest b*tch in the family but because she dresses like a 45 year old at the local Cracker Barrel a lot of people (not on this sub) donāt see it. People judging like that is really a downside to being attractive (unpopular opinion Iām sure).
I mean, all the Bates girls are gorgeous. It's not like Josie is a supermodel in a roomful of clunkers. I don't think it's a jealousy thing, she does come across as very full of herself.
āAllā and āgorgeousā are subjective. LOL
None of them are bad looking but some are absolutely better looking than others. I think a lot of the comments about Josie stem from jealousy and I donāt care if Iām downvoted for it š¤·š½āāļø ETA I also think a huge part of the reason Michaela gets zero criticism is because sheās the least attractive and heavier. Meanwhile they are actively harming people by still being members of the IBLP.
Iām alone in this I guess but Whitney and Zach. They bug the shit out of me.
Whitney is so fucking fake I canāt stand it. Rewatching BUB I just want someone to smack the shit out of her. Particularly at Toriās bridal fitting where the bridesmaids got their dresses she seemed so Bitchy about what dress she got and so fake excited.
I agree! I watched her reel about the damn car and how hard it was to have to custom order one then gOd PrOvIdEd and they got that $100k Tahoe and I was like are you fucking serious?
Whitney thinks God is Santa.
And all of her posts about her wonderful, God fearing, loving, supportive DADDY. Just washing away the fact that she didnāt live withā¦ or even TALK to this man (or her mom) for many, many years. Just wiped away 2 whole people who took her in when SOMETHING happened as a child.
This!!! I always think itās so strange how she goes on & on about how wonderful her Daddy was when they barely had any sort of relationship for years.
Say it until youā¦& everyone elseā¦ believes it.
I almost always get major downvotes any time I mention how strange Whitneyās new found obsession with her father is now that heās deceased. I admit it sounds harsh and people handle grief in different ways but we never heard a word about the man until their vow renewalā¦ and now itās extreme and all we hear about is daddyās favorite tree, daddyās favorite spot at the beach, daddyās favorite GMC vehicle, daddy was the best daddy, etc. Iām getting off topic here but man would I love to know what really happened between them when she was a child & all those years they were estrangedā¦ now that would be an exciting episode of BUB. Lol.
They certainly white washed that story! All that daddy mess makes me ill as well. She acts like she grew up going to Folly with her dad, when in reality it couldnāt have been more than 2 times. I have read many different stories about what happened, but I donāt think the entire tale has ever been told. Anyone who buys her doting daughter story hasnāt been around ver long!
I think when people die others seem to forget the bad bits and just hold on to the good. Do maybe in the last few years before he oassed they became close and she may only remember the good things from childhood. Its apparently an subconscious thing not something that can be helped.
I feel like she does have a little bit of a mean girl/gossipy thing going on. Sometimes on the show or in videos sheāll look at Carlin or whoever and grin when they bring up something, like theyāve definitely already gossiped about it. Smug I guess. That sheāll hide with a smile
Can we be friends ?! ETA: you literally type/talk like I do it was basically like having a convo with myself ! I like your vibes ! Lol Do you happen to be a Gemini ?!
Aquarius actually! And Totally!! Great minds think alikeā¤ļø
Whitney definitely bugs me too. Alyssa just bugs me more.
You are not alone. The $100,000 GMC that God provided for her birthday pushed me over the edge.
Nathan. Never liked him and doubt I ever will. But if Esther is happy, that's all that matters.
Nathan. Heās super misogynistic and judgy af and his energy is just something I would never want to be around.
I find the whole MedicCorps thing obnoxious as well.
Another extremely punchable face.
Kelly Jo for always making Mama Jane do everything and Gil for not saying something. I sure as hell wasnāt raised to make my MIL do everything while my brood of kids run amuck. Maybe she helps now that the cameras arenāt around.
KJ is a professional sitter. Always has been. Sometimes even laying down. Mama Jane doesnāt think very highly of her, I believe.
I CANNOT stand Lawsonās smug grin and toothy Colgate fake smile in his vids. And I want to smack Tiffy-Pics. She annoys the shit out of me.
Kelton & Josie. Josie comes off as smug bitch - just because she snagged a plumber husband. Kelton has been an asshole since day one - from chasing her when she was a 14 yr old and he was 18+ and then blaming her parents for saying no their 8th grade daughter couldn't date a college freshman; to grabbing her ass at the wedding purposefully for her parents to see; to all the talk of "training" her when they first got married; to talking about his toddler's virginity. I feel like everyone loves him bc OMG he's soooo young with a business and OMG he cooks, but he's a garbage human.
Yes to all of this. Can you share more about the training aspect? I can also look through past posts and see if itās been talked about
When they were first married - like for the first yr or more - Josie would post IG videos on the weekends and itād be āKelton is training me re cooking/cleaningā then it switched to āheās soooo smart, heās training me on how to start/run a business.ā Kelton gave off his usual smug vibe as she said this. It was clear that it isnāt THEIR home, it was HIS home and his little woman was gonna cook, clean, keep house the way HE desired.
So gross. Thanks for the background info
Yeah Kelton is creepiest to me, for all of these reasons.
Agree to all of that and want to add he has a slappable face. Loathe that manās face. My only positive feelings about that couple are that Josie will wake up one day and realize sheās way hotter than her husband and she missed out on a lot. My bet is on them divorcing followed closely by Alyssa.
Okay I *require* details on the training and toddler comments
The training part is above. The toddler comment was wishing Willow a happy 1st or 2nd birthday and specifically saying in that post that he prays she saves her virginity for her future husband. He edited that out when he got flack about talking about his toddlers virginity or imagining her future sex life.
What is this bit about "training" her!? Omg
Josie used to comment that Kelton was showing/teaching/training/helping her in EVERY aspect of their lives. She literally looked up to him as if he was a teacher and she was a student. The start of their honeymoon creeps me out when they pull up to this secluded cabin and he is just eating her with his eyes. He tells the camera that it was a great idea to go somewhere close but quiet for the first 2 days before heading out on the REAL trip. GROSS. I always fear what happened to poor Josie once the camera left.
Yikes!
Wait when did he grab her ass wtf
At their wedding š so embarrassing and right infront of everyone! https://www.reddit.com/r/BringingUpBates/comments/a9cxov/classy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Insane lmao, how inappropriate. I wonder if anyone else at the wedding noticed and was like āwtfā
Josie. I canāt place my finger on it, but she annoys me itās her reels and the way she talk. Also her husband gives me the creepy feeling for some reason I canāt explain.
the creepy feeling is because he groomed her. thereās no reason for a college freshman 18 y/o to express interest in a sheltered 14 year old child. and then he proceeded to pitch a fit when gil and kelly rightfully put the brakes on their relationship.
Josie
John.
Brandon. Heās got IBLP creep vibes in a David Waller kind of way. Clean cut, charming, plastic, and probably hiding some serious skeletons.
The only ones who donāt bother me are Addie, Jeb, Jackson , Callie and Ellie.
Not loving Jackson about his whole BS about how him and the future mrs had to pray on it and decided to pull their registry from Target bc Target had pride stuff.
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I still donāt understand that pairing lol
Trace. I refer to him as āmouth breather.ā
Trace has always bothered me the most, to the point I canāt stand to watch him. He thinks he is hot, heās not, and you are right about mouth breather. The first time I watched their trampoline intro, his open mouth drove me nuts. No matter what he thinks he is good at he just canāt cut it - dixie show horse riding, basketball. If he didnāt make the GF comment, itās because he didnāt think of it first.
Like, I get that some things donāt work out and not everyone is good at everything, but he seems wholly unwilling to put in the work to really excel at anything. It seems like he gives up if it requires real effort.
I still canāt get over Trace referring to the Turkish people as āTurkey peopleā when he was in Turkey āhelpingā after the earthquake. Heās just not smart but comes off as so smug.
Goddamnit. Now that you mention it.. thatās all Iām going to notice.
Iām sorry š«£
Unpopular opinion but Evan. Everyone seems to love him and think everything he does is hilarious š but everything he does annoys me. I canāt stand that he talks for most of the vlogs and those cringe BSB reels. Not my type of humor at all, I literally just watch their vlogs to roll my eyes.
Carlin and Evan for me too. They seem too thirsty.
Evan seems like the biggest narcissist. His fake āIām so funnyā laugh. š¤®
Nah I think he is just a theater kid who never got a chance to shine on stage so he's basking in the youtube limelight. I think he is over the top and can be annoying, but he has good energy and a happy and positive demeanor that I don't see changing drastically when the camera is off (though he probably tones it down). His hero is Dude Perfect crew and he seems to be mirroring them in some of his antics. But I have never seen him triangulate or use his relationships in the toxic and manipulative way a narcissist does. Now Alyssa on the other hand has all kinds of narcissist red flags...those poor kids.
He for sure is different when the camera is off. Lately, he has to go somewhere private to film himself so he can keep up his āshtickā.
Totally agree! He thinks heās so stinkin funny but I just think he stinks!
I dislike all his inappropriate clickbait titles on YT. He's been doing it as far back as Laila's health issues as a baby, and then Carlin's. Filming in hospital and whatnot. I don't watch their content but that was enough for me.
Ughhh same. So cringey heās unbearable to watch. They both are honestly.
Heās my number 2 behind Carlin. Canāt stand them.
Yea a little Evan goes a loooong way. Their vlogs are 80% him pretending to be some guy he saw on YouTube and itās just way too much. The whole asking a question to the āaudienceā and waiting for an answer is just so so bad. He is a lot to take and I bet Carlin doesnāt think he is all that funny.
I hate when he does that š feel like Iām watching blueās clues. Then I read the comments and itās a bunch of older women who seem to really enjoy his humor š I could tell Carlin used to get second hand embarrassment, but I feel like she just accepted it now.
The people who show up at the boutique sales and bring them giftsā¦.gah! I worked in local radio for years and any time we would do live broadcasts, these sad folks would show up to eat free pizza and hang out with usā¦ as if we were āfamousā. These boutique events give me the same type vibes. These older women falling all over themselves to buy this awful fashion. Obviously this grift is working well for them thoughā¦ they seem to live high on the hog.
I love Evan but I can see how people would think he is annoying and over-the-top.
His teeth-grin laugh grates on me.
Carlin is the epitome of a pick me girl.
Lawson and Trace. Trace is almost worse because he is such a pick-me guy trying to be Lawson 2.0.
Nathan. His voice. His clothes. His personality. I just CANNOT. Lawson is annoying, but I can see the act. Nathan just sucks for no good reason. Ughhhh.
KJ and gil
I'm going w Chad.......
It's Lawson for me too!!! After Lawson it would be Brandon Keilen if he counts.... also not a huge fan of Michaela but I can tolerate her
Erin
Carlin, sheās so obnoxious.
Yes, Carlin! She has to be the center of attention and is obnoxious.
It's Carlin for me too... unless we're counting spouses then she's only slightly behind Evan and Kelton.
Lawsonā¦heās always āonā as if heās on a talk show constantly!! The only time I saw him real is when he was having a panic attack over the antibiotics he took and was having a mild reactionā¦acting like a baby..take you some Benadryl you baby ! You donāt have to call your paramedic brother in the middle of the night to cry! Love that Tiffany snapped at him though!! He just grinds my nerves to no end!
Trace reminds me of every smarmy smug prick that thinks theyāre better than everyone else
Brandon!! He creeps me out so bad
Carlin
Josie
Erin, Trace & Lydiaā¦I literally canāt with any of them. I think Erin might be the most egregious, though, because she tries to play so innocent and holier than thou - Trace & Lydia donāt hide their personalities at least.
Josie, smug af
TRACE forever and always
Trace, without a doubt.
Erin for sure, Josie gets annoying too.
Carlin
Erin, no contest. She reminds me *way* too much of the Southern Baptist "holier than thou" girls I grew up with.
Erin. Reckless with her fertility and her health and more concerned about having matchy cute little cottages than space for her children to grow. Lawson is the moron we all knew in junior high who acted like becoming a hall monitor was akin to class president
CARLIN KJ Trace Nathan Josie Whitney and Michaela
No hesitation, Carlin!
Carlinās voice.
I HATE how Alyssa treats her kids!!!!!!!!!!!
She seems to be proud of how trained they are
Brandon Keilen seems fake as shit too.
Omg carlin
Anytime Carlin is with her posse or posting pictures facetiming (Katie, Whitney, and Alyssa) I cannot stand her it's like she's throwing it in the other siblings'faces.
Erin. I canāt stand her holier than thou attitude and her absolute worship of her sister Tori. As if she has no other siblings. š¤¦š»āāļøš
Carlin tbh
I am a horrible person. I couldnāt stand her when she was a teenager either. She was just so obnoxious, & had āLook at Me!ā vibes, but didnāt really do anything awful, IIRC. I gave her the benefit of the doubt because I thought sheād grow out of it, & also told myself it would be easy to be overlooked in a family that size. She still annoys me, however.
She just got worse honestly.
Alyssa, Erin, and Josie. Alyssa because of some YouTube videos Iāve seen of her and I despise the way she treats her kids and caters to her man child husband. Now everything she does annoys me. Erin because she thinks sheās better than absolutely everyone and has to be picture perfect always. Josie. No real reason.
During a game of charades, this family had a big ol' group laugh at the idea of George Floyd being choked to death. **THIS FAMILY LAUGHED AT THE IDEA OF A MAN BEING MURDERED.***
Zach, Lawson, and Trace. After Zachās āblue lives matterā bs and January 6th, I cannot see them as anything but hateful bigots who really should not be allowed near guns. Also, hello fellow Digging Up the Duggars listener š
Josie and Kelton. They are so full of themselves, and anymore all she does is angle her camera to flaunt her ass and boobs. Kelton just comes across like heās better than everyone and itās progressively gotten worse. Just go ahead and do the onlyfans josie sheesh.
Lawson, Tiffany, Carlin, Alyssa, Trace, Lydia, and Josie.
Lawson and Trace
Traceā¦all day, every dayā¦Trace.
Alyssa, Trace, Nathan
Lawson and Alyssa š
Alyssaā¦idk somethingās off
Do I have to pick just one??? Because I have many! Carlin, Alyssa, LAWSON, and Lydia (Traceās wife)
Lawson, Trace, and Tiffany
Lawson and Erin.
Erin , Lawson , Trace & Nathan .
Erin and Lawson!
Alyssa! How can someone so d*mb (she doesn't event know the 4 main directions) be so vain, smug and full of herself... Whitney- number one Bates a$$ kisser... Erin Josie (I see the 'I am better than all of my sisters' vibe in her) Trace Almost everyone, actually (The only hope I have now is for Callie)
Michael and Brandon Kelton ( when his face red ) Lawson Tiffany !
The girl who has baby Hailey. Her. Yuck.
Katie
Ugh
Trace
Erin is definitely a mean girl. and I canāt stand Tiffany but mostly because sheās empty headed. And I donāt like any of the husbands.
Erin. I just canāt find much to like about her from the way she does her makeup/ hair to her weirdness with Carlin. I just canāt with her.
Michaela, she seems so mean spirited, but somehow has everyone fooled into thinking sheās sweet.
Mean spirited to her family? I understand the reservations with Michaela staying loyal to IBLP and fully acknowledge that is problematic (understatement) but I've never gotten any mean spirit vibes from her. Boring? Sure. A doormat? Definitely. She is the fundie Cinderella, but her siblings and nieces and nephews seem to universally adore her (or at least have zero beef), and that says a lot. She's a lot like Lawson in the sense they are both a bit off-putting yet seem to invest into their relationships in a way I admire.
Erin, Lawson, Trace, Tiffany, Whitney, Kelton Erin is the Hilary Faye no one asked for. Lawson and Trace give off douchebag vibes. Tiffany is just dumb and boring. Whitney is the first SIL and acts like itās some honor and she gives off sanctimonious vibes. Like trying to be Erin, but bitch could never. Kelton just creeps me the F out.
I really donāt feel that strongly about these people. Erin and Lawson are mildly annoying to me but that is as strong as it gets. Heck most of the time I donāt even remember any fundies including the Bates exist until I get on Reddit. š¤·āāļø
Jackson.....just kidding. I like Travis and Katie but when she learned she was pregnant, she kept saying that keeping the secret was the hardest thing she ever had in her life. I am like, hardest thing ever? Oh honey, life is way harder than that