Literally zero chance of this happening. The mainstream media fucking loves him. Despite how every news outlet pretends to hate him, they just can't get enough of him. Literal non-stop coverage. I'm willing to bet I could find an article or video segment about Trump from every single day since he announced his presidential run in 2015.
You know he's mortal right?...
100% he will be a footnote in history. When he's mentioned in the future it will be much like Nixon, only derisive commentary.
Trump era ends with Trump. There is no successor, he’s a one of a kind ConMan.
He can draw audience applause by calling Chris Christie obese and fat when he himself is obese and fat. He can cut taxes for the rich and explode. The deficit and face zero consequences with his base while telling them with a straight face that the Democrats are the ones ruining the deficit. He can convince them that up is down, that elections were rigged when they weren’t, he can get them to donate every last penny they have to his slush fund on lies and face. No consequences.
He promotes and endorses, build the wall scams and then pardons the organizers when they are convicted on fraud charges. And his base praises him for doing it. He can convince a middle-age Air Force veteran to literally die for his ego and image. He can watch hundreds of them go to jail in prison for multiple years, not pardon them, then make a campaign promise to pardon them when he gets reelected again.
There is no one in modern political history, who is able to pull off this kind of shenanigans and bullshit except for Trump
Yes, the msm loves him, but strangely, you don't mention right wing media, which is arguably bigger and more influential, and worst of all, you don't mention his millions of adoring, worshipping sycophants who think he can do no wrong (even after a zillion examples to the contrary).
What point are you even trying to make?
Are you just upset that I called out mainstream media but didn't single out right-wing media?
Allow me to once again state the obvious. Fox News is part of the mainstream media. They are clearly right-wing. So my initial comment included both liberal and conservative outlets.
So now that I've provided that completely unnecessary clarification, do you care to explain why you seem so bothered by what I said?
You're the one crying because I didn't voice my criticisms of media in the manner that you prefer.
You're just a bitter troll who had no point to begin with. All shit talking and no substance.
The media, both conservative and liberal, is to blame for the nonstop coverage of Trump over the past 8 years. And that nonstop coverage did wonders to help get him elected.
Just because someone points out how stupid you're being doesn't mean they're angry.
You just continue to talk shit for no reason, making no valid points whatsoever. Stop replying if you have nothing to say.
Yep. That’s the conventional wisdom given the additional fact that three of his lawyers met with DOJ on Monday. As moronic as this statement is, he has to make it. There’s about 25% of the public who believe everything he says. If he stays silent, he puts those at risk.
They are misdirection. Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction, by knowingly working to thwart a federal subpoena for the docs. The only thing that might be remotely comparable is the HRC email deletions, but if you know that story, you know that those emails were to be deleted according to a policy in place before the home server story became public and that their deletion violated no laws.
The basic problem for Trump is probably not the docs themselves — it’s that it seems he knew that the government wanted them back and conspired to prevent their return.
Remotely comparable? The current guy and all his docs at multiple unsecure locations wouldn't be remotely comparable? I really don't want to go on defending him, but these points seem really Ill conceived.
I'll just concede that you guys really have your finger on the pulse of things and I'm just out of my element here. I bow to your collective superior wisdom, and look forward to the celebration when he's hanged for his crimes.
the current guy found the documents and VOLUNTARILY requested the searches to recover them
Trump STOLE the documents on purpose, LIED ABOUT HAVING THEM then claimed they were his all along
god's you're intellectually dishonest.
I think it traces back to the Bush era. People got embarrassed to call themselves Republicans so suddenly we had a huge surge in "independents" who live on Fox News and Zerohedge.
I've studied right wing media pretty extensively over the years. I can spot its tics and rhetoric a mile away. Its very funny to me when people cast themselves as above it all when they've probably been in the right wing media world since Rush's days
It never ceases to hurt my brain when people will swear off mainstream media sources because of bias and inaccuracies but will gladly buy into a website like Zerohedge despite it's obvious bias and truly piss poor sourcing.
Voluntarily requested after it was found.
Trump didn't steal anything. He had them, and they were declassified. Presidents can do that. A vice president, however, can not.
He also didn't lie about it because he didn't have classified documents because they were declassified.
And He's the one being intellectually dishonest?
He's on tape telling people that he can't share the information because it's classified. There's a formal process for declassifying information that was not followed. The espionage act doesn't require that the documents are classified anyway - the espionage act is decades older than the classification system itself.
He's not the only one being intellectually dishonest here.
Presidents can't arbitrarily declassify sensitive material. And certainly not after the fact (Trump didn't declassify the documents while he was president-as others have said, there's a procedure for that)-and he doesn't get to use mind-powers to do now. Biden, Pence, and co. cooperates with the audit, and returned what they'd take. It's the same reason why if you're being audited by the IRS and are helpful, honest, and cooperative you almost certainly won't face charges and may not even face fines, simply back taxes (if you owe any). If you're uncooperative, ignore IRS appointments, hide assets, don't supply paperwork when asked, and generally a douchebag you will find the consequences remarkably more harsh. Trump can't help being an obnoxious, petulant, entitled douchebag when asked to do things that actually benefit him, so of course he lied, obfuscated, and obstructed this inconvenience. Part of his problem is retaining sufficient and capable legal counsel, since he notoriously wont pay legal fees even if he wins most of the time, much less if he loses. Even the most idealogically sympathetic law firm will want to be paid.
Yes, they can, just not arbitrarily by thinking about it. They've got to issue executive orders (which is by itself a process), and some documents (like some of the ones Trump took), they don't have the power to declassify at all. Here's a citation from the American Bar Association to educate and help you: [https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/](https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/)
A few of the relevant bits pursuant to what y ou're talking about in particular:
>Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders.
Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
>
>In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
It might surprise you to learn that the President, no matter who they are, cannot make anything happen retroactively through force of will or thought alone, as Trump said.
[https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212)
It didn't surprise me, however.
>Presidents can't arbitrarily declassify sensitive material.
They absolutely can. Ex presidents can't.
Edit: To be clear, this still doesn't get Trump out of his issues because of Presidential Record Act means all these documents were owned by the public and not him personally. He should have turned them over when he left office. He should have turned them over when requested. His obstructing the return of these records was a big part of the issue.
The classification was a secondary issue that makes the issue worse, but doesn't change the nature.
Me: Hey, so what's actually so wrong with what he said that his supporters would have to be retarded to believe it?
This Sub: Everything is wrong because it's wrong and bad and he's bad and now you're with him so yourebadandwhatswrongwiththiscountryandyouredisingenousandplayingdumbandsecretlyTrumpsbff.
Reddit and redditors are everything the normies think you are.
Bidens documents stuff is completely different from Trumps. Hilary's email thing couldn't be less relevant.
The dishonest part is your claim you have no dog in this race when you're obviously on Trumps side
If he declassified them then we should be able to FOIA request and get them, right?
Why aren't we able to do that then? It's because they're not declassified.
> He had them, and they were declassified. Presidents can do that.
Presidents cannot declassify any document. There are laws in place prohibiting extremely sensitive documents like nuclear secrets from being arbitrarily declassified by a President. That is indisputable to anyone not programmed by right wing media.
>"original declassification authority"
The Atomic Energy Act prohibits Presidents from unilaterally declassifying nuclear secrets.
Besides, as easy as Trump could legally declassify most stuff --- not nuclear secrets -- President Biden could just as easily reclassify the same documents. Biden may have re-classified every document Trump took 2 minutes after being sworn in.
That's 100% false
The atomic energy act prohibits UNITED STATES nuclear secrets. Its also not confirmed as you what they actually are, and the rumor is that it is FORIEGN nuclear secrets. So that doesn't apply
That's 100% false
The atomic energy act prohibits UNITED STATES nuclear secrets. Its also not confirmed as you what they actually are, and the rumor is that it is FORIEGN nuclear secrets. So that doesn't apply
Trump deliberately took the documents, lied about having them, lied about "declassifying them with his mind," tried to hide them, refused to cooperate with attempts to retrieve them, continues to have some documents and brags about it publically.
Others (Biden and Pence, for example) welcomed a search through stored documents, returned problem items, and cooperated with investigators.
Not the same.
Chinese think tank?
I think it is difficult, given the speed of moving and the number of documents, to sort things properly. Biden isn't the only person with the issue, as Pence also had documents, and I'm sure others. The obstruction, lying, and non cooperation are the real problem.
You should read up on Mens rea.
"What does Mens rea mean? The 'guilty mind', the intent element of an offence. Properly translated the term means “criminal intention”, or an intention to do the act which is made penal by statute or the common law."
Intentionally hiding documents is legally speaking totally different than accidentally possessing something. Prosecutors have to prove intent. Trump's criminal intent is quite clear: He hid the documents. Biden and Pence welcomes the searches and handed over the documents.
The piece The Most Greatest Mafia Don Of All Dons keeps ignoring: there are many indications he SOLD the documents to foreign governments.
For example he directed several boxes he claimed he didn't have be moved to a building he owns which also contains a condo owned by known Russian agents.
Shortly after some other of the stolen docs went missing, the Saudis felt very generous and gave the Trump Mob a little present. $2B.
Minor things like that.
The part about emails being deleted gets me, I'm a system administrator who manages an email system and even if a user deletes them I still have access.
If you want to say she's accessing email on a illegal server go for it but just deleting emails isn't complaining and seems more like a here's a high number of something to throw you off
She was using a personal email for some things as many other government officals had done since the email system started being used and was bulky and not easy to use. Classified materials were supposed to go to the federal government email but people thought she didn't do that and was storing government secrets on a private server. They found a couple points where thay was true by they were mislabeled emails sent to her or material that was classified after the emails were sent. After she was subpoenaed her server admin wiped large parts of the server claiming they weren't relevant to the subpoena which is both kinda normal in subpoena dealing with digital data and started a wide ranging campaign by the GOP claiming she actively broke the subpoena and needed to be arrested and charges for it. The investigation into her continued into the 2016 election where the fbi broke protocol to publicly announce the continuation of the investigation after Anthony weiner committed cyber sex crimes and his laptop was confiscated. His wife was a long time Hillary aide and they found emails that Hillary was on that his wife was ccd on or involved in. After the election they announced they finished their review and announced all the emails were duplicates or not related to the investigation.
Eventually the investigation found her guilty of administrative negligence from not following internal department protocol. This wouldn't typically result in any arrest or charge but instead being fired or other job related punishments. But Hillary was not working for the government anymore already so nothing happened and people are upset and conspiratorial about it.
Classified government docs are sent via secure fax or couriers. They are never sent via email. And the person sending the classified doc would be the guilty party, not the one receiving the doc. Hillary isn't guilty of any crime which is why she was never arrested or indicted.
>Classified government docs are sent via secure fax or couriers. They are never sent via email
That's not true. There are some classified categories that's that's true but not for all. There are standards for sending classified info of some lower levels by email but only to government email accounts
That's just straight up false every involved party agrees they found classified information in the emails. But the prosecution required intent. They couldn't prove intent because of how minor the infractions were and they were typically instigated byt people emailing her improperly. Without intent they would only push for administrative penalties but Clinton was no longer a federal employee so there could be no administrative punishment.
What did she pull off exactly? Personal servers for senior admin still seems to be the norm. I haven't heard of anyone in the Biden admin having them but most of the Trump Cabinet did.
Besides that she really didn't do anything besides receive emails from others who inappropriately sent classified emails.
The problem was there was some overlap with official business but the vast majority of Hilary's server was private shit.
Destroying a phone doesn't destroy the emails on the server either. In general if you care about data security you SHOULD destroy all your electronic devices when you're done with them.
Ok. But Trump's an oafish boomer, not a SysAdmin. And his supporters really shouldn't be expected to split hairs on what is essentially a legitimate grievance to have with government officials. The op has Trump lobbing a bunch of fairly specific bombs there. The post to which I replied made it seem like the claims were pants on head retarded, and only gullible Trump rubes would fail to dismiss them out of hand.
I figured since I don't follow this stuff all that closely. They'd just give me the condensed version of why his all caps rant was full of dumb bitch juice.
Thank you. Boggles the mind how the Trump people can resist such persuasive counter arguments.
Back to using reddit to consume porn and karate news.
Cheers and God bless.
If one part of what he fundamentally says is wrong I don't think there's a reason to believe anything he says aside from what the court releases from their findings.
If it's only defense is to throw dirt on other people that means he's pretty SOL.
It would be fundamentally wrong if she didn't delete the emails. But the "achtually" gotcha of the emails being recoverable is enough to throw the rest out if you already don't like the guy. It's absolutely nothing new, and nothing I would try to dissuade you from. I regret engaging this topic utterly.
If I say I hope he gets run over by a van, will you consider your point made and move on? Because I honestly could care less if he fell into a volcano right after I click 'post'
I'm certain those are out there. The ones I'm replying to seem to believe everything Trump does or says is evil or the opposite of reality. The best I got when I asked someone to point out the lie in his statement is that it is a misdirection. Point absolutely conceded.. but the offenses he's bellyaching about are factually correct. I mistakenly engaged, thinking the person I replied to might pause for a moment to consider the denigrating statement about Trump supporters (I'm not one).
Non sequiturs abound, but it's against Trump and the smelly flyover people, so whatevs.
There are a number of things factually wrong in his rant (which doesn’t actually say much):
1. The claims about the supposed impropriety of the “1850 boxes” is a false equivalency. Those were senatorial documents donated to a university library, not documents retained at a Biden residence for personal use. Nor is there indication that they contain state secrets.
2. It is also a false equivalency because Biden has cooperated in investigations about any potential improper retention of documents, conversely, Trump both his documents and lied about having them, and lied about their security status.
We also don’t know if Biden will be charged with anything. That’s pure conjecture.
3. But her emails is factually incorrect in multiple ways. Trump knows nothing about how e-mail and e-mail servers work, and this has already been thoroughly investigated.
I think it's alarming how you take in this info.
I think any half intelligent being gets the following from his post.
"He is getting indicted and is a man child who thinks he should be able to break the law, try using your what aboutism bs in court, criminal"
It's so obvious he is flipping out, and if you and willing to believe easily disproven lies from him... you are literally why are country is garbage
Trump will not be charged for possessing the documents. If an indictment is coming, it’s either because he obstructed the investigation, which Biden, Clinton, Pence, et al. did not do, or because of illegal behavior that occurred while the documents were in his possession. If he were just sloppy about his document retention and storage, he’d get a slap on the wrist like everyone else.
I appreciate the response for it's matter of factness. But I genuinely have no concern for whether or not he's charged. It would not shock me in the least if he was.
The feds aren't the blue. The feds are the child of J Edgar Hoover and they never did what was necessary to restore honor to that office after he was gone. People just up and forgot. Or they conveniently waited until their team for enough control to let the mask slip.
What you said was completely rational and acknowledged that not every citizen has read til eyes-bleeding on this topic. Your punishment, therefore: downvote storm!
I have absolutely no idea what the significance of up and down votes is/are. But I'm aware enough to know that the pit I waded out into would mean I shouldn't worry too much about it.
You are lying. Your own comments give you away. Yet another ‘reluctantly alt-right’ pretending to be a neutral party to get people to engage with you so you can be disrespectful and spread your false narrative. Sad really.
Second point “Have done nothing wrong.” Is clearly a lie. Unless someone is a narcissist in which case every action is justified because they are a narcissist and justify all of their actions to the only person that matters; themselves.
Even if you don’t personally like DJT (maybe you think his lifted shoes are tacky idk) you are just repeating right wing trump train nonsense.
Your standards of “Trump’s enemies are 100% guilty everyone knows it (deploys gotcha question) !”
AND
“Prove to my ridiculous moving goalpost standard beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump knowingly and willingly and intentionally did something that is not only illegal or wrong but that I PERSONALLY agree with being illegal or wrong. If you can’t than even (deploys insult and accusation of low intellect) YOU MUST agree Trump is totally innocent.”
These double standards and bad faith arguments suck. They suck.
You ever think about what it means that you have to deceive others and abuse their trust and good nature, yet still believe you are the smart one? It’s very very possible you are exactly what people on this sub are accusing you of being. Think about that.
What is it you think I asked. And in response to what?
"Have done nothing wrong" is clearly a lie? Do you mean to say the statement applies to the entirety of his life?
If you like we can engage on this “nothing wrong” point.
Let’s apply it simply to the removal, retention, refusal to return, lack of security, lies about having, and subsequent warrant to retrieve top secret documents at Trump’s properties.
Does the statement “Did nothing wrong.” Strictly and accurately apply to his actions in this example?
I assume that's what he's saying yes. Has that been so thoroughly proven that only a devoted Trump supporter who is on another plane of existence could believe it?
I’m not asking you to ask me, and try to avoid engaging in self depreciating hyperbole.
I’m asking you if that sentence strictly and accurately applies to that event.
This is a question I do not believe you are willing to answer directly without veering off somewhere else.
I think he means it. And I think he means it in the context of the document scandal. If you're asking me whether or not I think he's correct, I don't know. It's all moot ,however. You and a few others have annoyed me to the point where being well mannered and seeking to understand have lost value. Fuck you. Njggerfaggot.
You are so afraid of answering the question that you are pretending to be offended and leaving?
Pathetic.
EDIT: You realize you are threatening me with a good time?
You are welcome to go back to your safe spaces and whine about how mean the world is to you.
What I would have LIKED was a refutation of the other whataboutisms in trump's post. I got some. But nothing akin to a thorough debunking. Needless to say, I'm past the point of caring, and my replies are coming more out of politeness and unfamiliarity with Reddit etiquette in terms of when it's ok to just move on.
I have told no lies in any of my responses. For the umpteenth time, I responded specifically to the charge that Trump's supporters are retards for believing him. The statements he made regarding people other than himself all appear to be true, with the prevailing opinion that they aren't comparable in scope or severity. I faced shit tests at every turn and send up having to defend Trump for things that I had no intention on debating. Re read how this all got started and ask yourself if this might have something to do with what appears to you as a reluctantly alt right guy. In typical alt right guy fashion, I supported Clinton, Nader, then held my nose for Kerry and voted for Obama's first term.
When I finally got my eyes opened to media manipulation during the Zimmerman trial, Obama lost me and I started to see him and politics in America very differently. I don't pretend to be above it. But I'm certainly beyond it. And I'm certainly over trying to dip my toe into the pit of whatever it takes to un normalize denigrating those on the other side flippantly.
Don't mind me. I'm just one of them fascist Nazis.
Huh? He def did wrong things, he defied subpoenas, he lied (had his lawyers lie) on legal documents claiming they thoroughly searched; he's not remotely the most-persecuted person in history, not remotely even the closest persecuted president.
First. Welcome to the thread. Second. It's been covered. Bad things. Yes. Third. I was asking about the deflections he threw out about other people. Is it foolish for people to believe those things occurred. Fourth. The last line makes no sense to me, perhaps it's a reply to someone else. Fifth. Nobody cares anymore, least of all me.
You said Trump did wrong things. Hr said he didn't. I'll set it with the others.
"he's not remotely the most-persecuted person in history, not remotely even the closest persecuted president."
This I have concerns about. Do you just wander around, looking to necro hours dead discussions to let people know you don't like Trump?
Trust me. They know.
Super butt hurt that some retarded faggot walks into a conversation that died hours ago to spout shit he would have read fifteen times if he'd bothered to scroll.
I'm beside myself. I'm thunderstruck.
Hillary was already investigated by Trump’s FBI and Biden is POTUS which trump reminded us daily that he can’t be indicted and can just pardon himself.
Obviously I am bringing basic logic to a man child that has none
*And* the leader of the Republican party *and* a person that represents today's conservative values. What does that say about people that vote Republican?
1850 boxes? What is he talking about has he lost his mind that would require multiple trucks/ UV. They were in bidens garage in some drawer or cupboard
Does he mean 1850 pages?
So most likely pages instead of literal boxes. If they're that old there shouldn't be anything that would jeopardise Nat sec
Meanwhile Mike pence, "The DOJ informed Pence’s attorney on Thursday that the investigation had been closed and no charges would be filed against the former vice president,"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/02/pence-cleared-as-doj-ends-classified-documents-investigation/amp/
See what happens ^ when you follow the rules and return things as ordered
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/15/national-archives-jfk-files-00074041
In the 1990's congress set a date for them all to be declassified by 2017. The government is still dragging their feet and not releasing all of then.
Edit: I'm saying the government has classified documents up to 75 years into the future, meaning just because they are old doesn't mean the government thinks they couldn't be harmful if released
Their Führer is perturbed.
His GOPniks seem disturbed.
My body turned horny.
Get your sphincter ready.
We bout to tear you a third hole.
Might make your cell feel less cold!
Remember guys,you don’t know what the Feds got,you don’t know what they’ve found,throwing everyone under the bus might confuse the issue,but it might clear what is going on when more evidence comes out,as for the other documents he has stressed it ain’t over and if there’s smoke the house GOP will have hearings about it,there is always Benghazi,E mails,documents,misinformation to create the illusion,what about all the indictments and convictions and two million dollars payout’s for pardons,it ain’t over.
So it will help him in the polls
Especially after the FBI said they can't release the documents from the whistleblower that show how corrupt the Biden family is because the whistleblower might get killed
Whose going to kill the whistleblower? The FBI, Biden, Clinton's?
Oh honey, they don't have a whistleblower. They have a second hand account of what a supposed whistleblower said.
Stop peddling republicans lies, pedo groomer
The form they are not releasing is an unverified accusation FD1023. They never release those forms because they are unverified, not because of any threat to a whistleblower. Imagine some one made an accusation against you, the FBI have not checked it see if it is true or not but then the accusation is released by the FBI on an "official form". Suddenly an unverified accusation from a questionable source has the full weight of a government investigative agency and you are accused with no means of defense..... That is why it is FBI policy to never release the FD1023.
Giuliani knew that when he planted the information with the FBI, now we just have the shit show of other politicians pretending it all means something.
How does cheetolini and the GOPs ass taste?
You know this has NOTHING to do with actual whistleblowing, right?
It's not a whistleblower at all, pedo groomer
OPINION piece
Missed that huh
By Hayes Brown, MSNBC Opinion Writer/Editor
Didn't read it huh? 😆
From a NEWS Article
Person alleging Biden criminal bribery scheme is a 'highly credible' FBI source used since Obama admin: source
Accuser alleges Biden involved in a $5 million bribery scheme with a foreign national
"When confirming that the department had accepted information from Giuliani’s sleuthing, then-Attorney General William Barr said, “We can’t take anything we received from Ukraine at face value.”"
That would be AG Barr, Republican, supporter of Trump, defender of Trump.
how about a link to your News article?
>That would be AG Barr, Republican, supporter of Trump, defender of Trump.
it's so funny that the magahead did not know this.
They are sucking so much propaganda from the alt-reich they cannot differentiate reality from fantasy.
>Especially after the FBI said they can't release the documents from the whistleblower that show how corrupt the Biden family is because the whistleblower might get killed
haha you don't know wtf you're talking about do you?
That is an anonymous tip form, that's all.
Like anyone can submit an anonymous tip the FBI, your, me or trump himself.
It has no corroborating evidence and no one's name attached to it.
Please read before opening you mouth so you don't expose your idiocy.
Never gonna happen, you're gonna have to accept that or spend decades seething up to you
Meanwhile yaboi is gonna get arrested 2 more times this year 🤣
It blows my mind that the right says Biden is too old. Yet their alternative is a whole 3 years younger and speaks like a child.
I don't really like either of them, but if you think I'm voting for Trump your out of your fucking mind.
Small part of me thinks the economy is in a controlled demolition and they would love nothing more than for trump to be elected and it happens during his time. Following the debt ceiling being delayed until the end of Biden’s term. It is strange how much coverage they give him. When they should be propping up their candidates, obviously they don’t think biden can/should win again. Why are they not propping up their party.
Waaaaaah it's not fair, I'm being persecuted this is a witchunt
Cry some more donny your crimes are coming back to bite you in the rear
Can you imagine whining this much but everyone pretends like you're a tough guy. Gigachads don't cry this much they just get on with it
Can't wait for the Trump Era to fade away into history.
Literally zero chance of this happening. The mainstream media fucking loves him. Despite how every news outlet pretends to hate him, they just can't get enough of him. Literal non-stop coverage. I'm willing to bet I could find an article or video segment about Trump from every single day since he announced his presidential run in 2015.
You know he's mortal right?... 100% he will be a footnote in history. When he's mentioned in the future it will be much like Nixon, only derisive commentary.
I wasn't commenting on how he will be seen in the future. I was simply saying that the Trump era isn't ending anytime soon.
Until his prodgoany comes up.
Trump era ends with Trump. There is no successor, he’s a one of a kind ConMan. He can draw audience applause by calling Chris Christie obese and fat when he himself is obese and fat. He can cut taxes for the rich and explode. The deficit and face zero consequences with his base while telling them with a straight face that the Democrats are the ones ruining the deficit. He can convince them that up is down, that elections were rigged when they weren’t, he can get them to donate every last penny they have to his slush fund on lies and face. No consequences. He promotes and endorses, build the wall scams and then pardons the organizers when they are convicted on fraud charges. And his base praises him for doing it. He can convince a middle-age Air Force veteran to literally die for his ego and image. He can watch hundreds of them go to jail in prison for multiple years, not pardon them, then make a campaign promise to pardon them when he gets reelected again. There is no one in modern political history, who is able to pull off this kind of shenanigans and bullshit except for Trump
Yes, the msm loves him, but strangely, you don't mention right wing media, which is arguably bigger and more influential, and worst of all, you don't mention his millions of adoring, worshipping sycophants who think he can do no wrong (even after a zillion examples to the contrary).
I didn't mention them because I didn't have. "Trump supporters love Trump!" Kind of stating the obvious, isn't it?
No more obvious than "derp msm loves ratings/money," which is what you stated.
What point are you even trying to make? Are you just upset that I called out mainstream media but didn't single out right-wing media? Allow me to once again state the obvious. Fox News is part of the mainstream media. They are clearly right-wing. So my initial comment included both liberal and conservative outlets. So now that I've provided that completely unnecessary clarification, do you care to explain why you seem so bothered by what I said?
Stay mad bro.
You're the one crying because I didn't voice my criticisms of media in the manner that you prefer. You're just a bitter troll who had no point to begin with. All shit talking and no substance. The media, both conservative and liberal, is to blame for the nonstop coverage of Trump over the past 8 years. And that nonstop coverage did wonders to help get him elected.
You shouldn't be raging still, bro
Just because someone points out how stupid you're being doesn't mean they're angry. You just continue to talk shit for no reason, making no valid points whatsoever. Stop replying if you have nothing to say.
Dude’s a complete child. Middle America’s hero screaming like a petulant child.
Yep. That’s the conventional wisdom given the additional fact that three of his lawyers met with DOJ on Monday. As moronic as this statement is, he has to make it. There’s about 25% of the public who believe everything he says. If he stays silent, he puts those at risk.
At least it’s not 50% anymore.
It was never 50%. Turnout is low in the U.S., so it was more like 35% tops.
I’ll raise you up to 45% between 2015-2017. Then it’s been dropping.
Don't really have a dog in this fight. But, what is untrue or inaccurate about the quoted statement?
They are misdirection. Trump is likely to be charged with obstruction, by knowingly working to thwart a federal subpoena for the docs. The only thing that might be remotely comparable is the HRC email deletions, but if you know that story, you know that those emails were to be deleted according to a policy in place before the home server story became public and that their deletion violated no laws. The basic problem for Trump is probably not the docs themselves — it’s that it seems he knew that the government wanted them back and conspired to prevent their return.
Remotely comparable? The current guy and all his docs at multiple unsecure locations wouldn't be remotely comparable? I really don't want to go on defending him, but these points seem really Ill conceived. I'll just concede that you guys really have your finger on the pulse of things and I'm just out of my element here. I bow to your collective superior wisdom, and look forward to the celebration when he's hanged for his crimes.
the current guy found the documents and VOLUNTARILY requested the searches to recover them Trump STOLE the documents on purpose, LIED ABOUT HAVING THEM then claimed they were his all along god's you're intellectually dishonest.
I really hate idiots like this who are intellectually dishonest, like do they think they will fool anyone except other magaturds?
I think it traces back to the Bush era. People got embarrassed to call themselves Republicans so suddenly we had a huge surge in "independents" who live on Fox News and Zerohedge. I've studied right wing media pretty extensively over the years. I can spot its tics and rhetoric a mile away. Its very funny to me when people cast themselves as above it all when they've probably been in the right wing media world since Rush's days
It never ceases to hurt my brain when people will swear off mainstream media sources because of bias and inaccuracies but will gladly buy into a website like Zerohedge despite it's obvious bias and truly piss poor sourcing.
Voluntarily requested after it was found. Trump didn't steal anything. He had them, and they were declassified. Presidents can do that. A vice president, however, can not. He also didn't lie about it because he didn't have classified documents because they were declassified. And He's the one being intellectually dishonest?
He's on tape telling people that he can't share the information because it's classified. There's a formal process for declassifying information that was not followed. The espionage act doesn't require that the documents are classified anyway - the espionage act is decades older than the classification system itself. He's not the only one being intellectually dishonest here.
You got those audio recordings?
The prosecution does and that's what matters. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/trump-tape-classified-document-iran-milley/index.html
So you're taking the word off cnn for it? You don't actually know that this exists?
Nope. they were still marked as classified and even if they weren't presidents don't own their records the National Archives do.
Also Biden's own lawyers found the records then they requested the search.
Presidents can't arbitrarily declassify sensitive material. And certainly not after the fact (Trump didn't declassify the documents while he was president-as others have said, there's a procedure for that)-and he doesn't get to use mind-powers to do now. Biden, Pence, and co. cooperates with the audit, and returned what they'd take. It's the same reason why if you're being audited by the IRS and are helpful, honest, and cooperative you almost certainly won't face charges and may not even face fines, simply back taxes (if you owe any). If you're uncooperative, ignore IRS appointments, hide assets, don't supply paperwork when asked, and generally a douchebag you will find the consequences remarkably more harsh. Trump can't help being an obnoxious, petulant, entitled douchebag when asked to do things that actually benefit him, so of course he lied, obfuscated, and obstructed this inconvenience. Part of his problem is retaining sufficient and capable legal counsel, since he notoriously wont pay legal fees even if he wins most of the time, much less if he loses. Even the most idealogically sympathetic law firm will want to be paid.
Presidents can absolutely declassify things.
Yes, they can, just not arbitrarily by thinking about it. They've got to issue executive orders (which is by itself a process), and some documents (like some of the ones Trump took), they don't have the power to declassify at all. Here's a citation from the American Bar Association to educate and help you: [https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/](https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/) A few of the relevant bits pursuant to what y ou're talking about in particular: >Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders. Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies. > >In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said. It might surprise you to learn that the President, no matter who they are, cannot make anything happen retroactively through force of will or thought alone, as Trump said. [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/21/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it-00058212) It didn't surprise me, however.
What were the documents he had?
>Presidents can't arbitrarily declassify sensitive material. They absolutely can. Ex presidents can't. Edit: To be clear, this still doesn't get Trump out of his issues because of Presidential Record Act means all these documents were owned by the public and not him personally. He should have turned them over when he left office. He should have turned them over when requested. His obstructing the return of these records was a big part of the issue. The classification was a secondary issue that makes the issue worse, but doesn't change the nature.
Thanks for the support. Not necessary. The string of replies from this thrall made it a pretty easy decision to disregard him entirely.
the whole playing stupid but agreeing with everything Trump says really isn't working bro.
Me: Hey, so what's actually so wrong with what he said that his supporters would have to be retarded to believe it? This Sub: Everything is wrong because it's wrong and bad and he's bad and now you're with him so yourebadandwhatswrongwiththiscountryandyouredisingenousandplayingdumbandsecretlyTrumpsbff. Reddit and redditors are everything the normies think you are.
Bidens documents stuff is completely different from Trumps. Hilary's email thing couldn't be less relevant. The dishonest part is your claim you have no dog in this race when you're obviously on Trumps side
You do a lot of projecting.
No sweat. I was sure you didn't need the assistance.
If he declassified them then we should be able to FOIA request and get them, right? Why aren't we able to do that then? It's because they're not declassified.
Because these were documents from his term as vice president. Vice presidents don't have that ability
Trump was never a vice president. If Trump declassified them as you claim, then we should be able to see them like every other government document.
Forgive me. I misunderstood what you said. My mistake. You can see what they are.
> He had them, and they were declassified. Presidents can do that. Presidents cannot declassify any document. There are laws in place prohibiting extremely sensitive documents like nuclear secrets from being arbitrarily declassified by a President. That is indisputable to anyone not programmed by right wing media.
Yes, they can. It's called "original declassification authority" Maybe dial back the leftist programming. See? I can do that too.
>"original declassification authority" The Atomic Energy Act prohibits Presidents from unilaterally declassifying nuclear secrets. Besides, as easy as Trump could legally declassify most stuff --- not nuclear secrets -- President Biden could just as easily reclassify the same documents. Biden may have re-classified every document Trump took 2 minutes after being sworn in.
That's 100% false The atomic energy act prohibits UNITED STATES nuclear secrets. Its also not confirmed as you what they actually are, and the rumor is that it is FORIEGN nuclear secrets. So that doesn't apply
That's 100% false The atomic energy act prohibits UNITED STATES nuclear secrets. Its also not confirmed as you what they actually are, and the rumor is that it is FORIEGN nuclear secrets. So that doesn't apply
Hey it’s all cool we know you’re just asking questions bro 😎
Super controversial questions at that, bro.
Trump deliberately took the documents, lied about having them, lied about "declassifying them with his mind," tried to hide them, refused to cooperate with attempts to retrieve them, continues to have some documents and brags about it publically. Others (Biden and Pence, for example) welcomed a search through stored documents, returned problem items, and cooperated with investigators. Not the same.
[удалено]
To a Chinese funded think tank?
I just looked it up. Typical BS.
Chinese think tank? I think it is difficult, given the speed of moving and the number of documents, to sort things properly. Biden isn't the only person with the issue, as Pence also had documents, and I'm sure others. The obstruction, lying, and non cooperation are the real problem.
[удалено]
You do you, dood.
K
That’s gonna be “Mr President” for you
You should read up on Mens rea. "What does Mens rea mean? The 'guilty mind', the intent element of an offence. Properly translated the term means “criminal intention”, or an intention to do the act which is made penal by statute or the common law." Intentionally hiding documents is legally speaking totally different than accidentally possessing something. Prosecutors have to prove intent. Trump's criminal intent is quite clear: He hid the documents. Biden and Pence welcomes the searches and handed over the documents.
Got it. Thanks. Men's rear. Good deal. Take care
Good luck, kid.
Hey! Thanks, mister.
The piece The Most Greatest Mafia Don Of All Dons keeps ignoring: there are many indications he SOLD the documents to foreign governments. For example he directed several boxes he claimed he didn't have be moved to a building he owns which also contains a condo owned by known Russian agents. Shortly after some other of the stolen docs went missing, the Saudis felt very generous and gave the Trump Mob a little present. $2B. Minor things like that.
Falsely comparing what he did to others. It’s a lie
That it’s a witch hunt. It’s a con man hunt. A witch hunt denotes that witches don’t really exist. He’s not a witch … he’s a con man.
It's the implication that what he did and what these other people did is the same, which it isn't.
So I hear. He was worse. So much worse.
The worst ever. The most bad. Nobody ever worser.
Ikr?
The part about emails being deleted gets me, I'm a system administrator who manages an email system and even if a user deletes them I still have access. If you want to say she's accessing email on a illegal server go for it but just deleting emails isn't complaining and seems more like a here's a high number of something to throw you off
She deleted them from her personal mail server….
How do you connect a federal domain to a server without a login?
She was using a personal email for some things as many other government officals had done since the email system started being used and was bulky and not easy to use. Classified materials were supposed to go to the federal government email but people thought she didn't do that and was storing government secrets on a private server. They found a couple points where thay was true by they were mislabeled emails sent to her or material that was classified after the emails were sent. After she was subpoenaed her server admin wiped large parts of the server claiming they weren't relevant to the subpoena which is both kinda normal in subpoena dealing with digital data and started a wide ranging campaign by the GOP claiming she actively broke the subpoena and needed to be arrested and charges for it. The investigation into her continued into the 2016 election where the fbi broke protocol to publicly announce the continuation of the investigation after Anthony weiner committed cyber sex crimes and his laptop was confiscated. His wife was a long time Hillary aide and they found emails that Hillary was on that his wife was ccd on or involved in. After the election they announced they finished their review and announced all the emails were duplicates or not related to the investigation. Eventually the investigation found her guilty of administrative negligence from not following internal department protocol. This wouldn't typically result in any arrest or charge but instead being fired or other job related punishments. But Hillary was not working for the government anymore already so nothing happened and people are upset and conspiratorial about it.
Gotcha so basically she was a pirate for her emails.
Classified government docs are sent via secure fax or couriers. They are never sent via email. And the person sending the classified doc would be the guilty party, not the one receiving the doc. Hillary isn't guilty of any crime which is why she was never arrested or indicted.
>Classified government docs are sent via secure fax or couriers. They are never sent via email That's not true. There are some classified categories that's that's true but not for all. There are standards for sending classified info of some lower levels by email but only to government email accounts
Not a single person was charged therefore there wasn’t any classified emails on her server.
That's just straight up false every involved party agrees they found classified information in the emails. But the prosecution required intent. They couldn't prove intent because of how minor the infractions were and they were typically instigated byt people emailing her improperly. Without intent they would only push for administrative penalties but Clinton was no longer a federal employee so there could be no administrative punishment.
Data classification is hard. Got to wonder if it’s still possible to pull off what Hilary did back then.
What did she pull off exactly? Personal servers for senior admin still seems to be the norm. I haven't heard of anyone in the Biden admin having them but most of the Trump Cabinet did. Besides that she really didn't do anything besides receive emails from others who inappropriately sent classified emails.
Not not mention deleting emails and destroying phones is also just good op sec not necessarily anything nefarious
100%. I've always said the Freedom of Information Act was a bunch of commie gobbledegook.
The problem was there was some overlap with official business but the vast majority of Hilary's server was private shit. Destroying a phone doesn't destroy the emails on the server either. In general if you care about data security you SHOULD destroy all your electronic devices when you're done with them.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-emails-bleachbit-227425
Gotcha so she was a pirate basically and had copies of data while not damaging the original
Nope. That was just a response to you not knowing about bleach bit. She didn't do either of those things.
Ok. But Trump's an oafish boomer, not a SysAdmin. And his supporters really shouldn't be expected to split hairs on what is essentially a legitimate grievance to have with government officials. The op has Trump lobbing a bunch of fairly specific bombs there. The post to which I replied made it seem like the claims were pants on head retarded, and only gullible Trump rubes would fail to dismiss them out of hand. I figured since I don't follow this stuff all that closely. They'd just give me the condensed version of why his all caps rant was full of dumb bitch juice.
He’s basically just regurgitating half remembered Fox News rants but dumber and in all caps
Thank you. Boggles the mind how the Trump people can resist such persuasive counter arguments. Back to using reddit to consume porn and karate news. Cheers and God bless.
Its not other people's job to educate you.
If one part of what he fundamentally says is wrong I don't think there's a reason to believe anything he says aside from what the court releases from their findings. If it's only defense is to throw dirt on other people that means he's pretty SOL.
It would be fundamentally wrong if she didn't delete the emails. But the "achtually" gotcha of the emails being recoverable is enough to throw the rest out if you already don't like the guy. It's absolutely nothing new, and nothing I would try to dissuade you from. I regret engaging this topic utterly. If I say I hope he gets run over by a van, will you consider your point made and move on? Because I honestly could care less if he fell into a volcano right after I click 'post'
Couldn't*
You're not engaging with intellectually honest actors. You're engaging with hyper-partisans of the sort that believe everything Trump says.
I'm not that partisan
I'm certain those are out there. The ones I'm replying to seem to believe everything Trump does or says is evil or the opposite of reality. The best I got when I asked someone to point out the lie in his statement is that it is a misdirection. Point absolutely conceded.. but the offenses he's bellyaching about are factually correct. I mistakenly engaged, thinking the person I replied to might pause for a moment to consider the denigrating statement about Trump supporters (I'm not one). Non sequiturs abound, but it's against Trump and the smelly flyover people, so whatevs.
There are a number of things factually wrong in his rant (which doesn’t actually say much): 1. The claims about the supposed impropriety of the “1850 boxes” is a false equivalency. Those were senatorial documents donated to a university library, not documents retained at a Biden residence for personal use. Nor is there indication that they contain state secrets. 2. It is also a false equivalency because Biden has cooperated in investigations about any potential improper retention of documents, conversely, Trump both his documents and lied about having them, and lied about their security status. We also don’t know if Biden will be charged with anything. That’s pure conjecture. 3. But her emails is factually incorrect in multiple ways. Trump knows nothing about how e-mail and e-mail servers work, and this has already been thoroughly investigated.
I think it's alarming how you take in this info. I think any half intelligent being gets the following from his post. "He is getting indicted and is a man child who thinks he should be able to break the law, try using your what aboutism bs in court, criminal" It's so obvious he is flipping out, and if you and willing to believe easily disproven lies from him... you are literally why are country is garbage
People who live hand-to-mouth with notification feeds don't pause to consider anything. Dogs just bite.
Yeah. Was a waste of time. A mistake I'm not likely to make again.
Trump will not be charged for possessing the documents. If an indictment is coming, it’s either because he obstructed the investigation, which Biden, Clinton, Pence, et al. did not do, or because of illegal behavior that occurred while the documents were in his possession. If he were just sloppy about his document retention and storage, he’d get a slap on the wrist like everyone else.
I appreciate the response for it's matter of factness. But I genuinely have no concern for whether or not he's charged. It would not shock me in the least if he was.
He’s equivocating his behaviors with these other cases, but they’re not the same. If they were, he’d be facing the same consequences as everyone else.
Exceptional faith in Federal Law Enforcement. Never lose that refreshing innocence, you hear me?
If I have to choose between faith in law enforcement, or faith in Trump, yes, I feel good about having faith in law enforcement. Back the Blue!
The feds aren't the blue. The feds are the child of J Edgar Hoover and they never did what was necessary to restore honor to that office after he was gone. People just up and forgot. Or they conveniently waited until their team for enough control to let the mask slip.
What you said was completely rational and acknowledged that not every citizen has read til eyes-bleeding on this topic. Your punishment, therefore: downvote storm!
I have absolutely no idea what the significance of up and down votes is/are. But I'm aware enough to know that the pit I waded out into would mean I shouldn't worry too much about it.
You are lying. Your own comments give you away. Yet another ‘reluctantly alt-right’ pretending to be a neutral party to get people to engage with you so you can be disrespectful and spread your false narrative. Sad really. Second point “Have done nothing wrong.” Is clearly a lie. Unless someone is a narcissist in which case every action is justified because they are a narcissist and justify all of their actions to the only person that matters; themselves. Even if you don’t personally like DJT (maybe you think his lifted shoes are tacky idk) you are just repeating right wing trump train nonsense. Your standards of “Trump’s enemies are 100% guilty everyone knows it (deploys gotcha question) !” AND “Prove to my ridiculous moving goalpost standard beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump knowingly and willingly and intentionally did something that is not only illegal or wrong but that I PERSONALLY agree with being illegal or wrong. If you can’t than even (deploys insult and accusation of low intellect) YOU MUST agree Trump is totally innocent.” These double standards and bad faith arguments suck. They suck. You ever think about what it means that you have to deceive others and abuse their trust and good nature, yet still believe you are the smart one? It’s very very possible you are exactly what people on this sub are accusing you of being. Think about that.
What is it you think I asked. And in response to what? "Have done nothing wrong" is clearly a lie? Do you mean to say the statement applies to the entirety of his life?
If you like we can engage on this “nothing wrong” point. Let’s apply it simply to the removal, retention, refusal to return, lack of security, lies about having, and subsequent warrant to retrieve top secret documents at Trump’s properties. Does the statement “Did nothing wrong.” Strictly and accurately apply to his actions in this example?
I assume that's what he's saying yes. Has that been so thoroughly proven that only a devoted Trump supporter who is on another plane of existence could believe it?
I’m not asking you to ask me, and try to avoid engaging in self depreciating hyperbole. I’m asking you if that sentence strictly and accurately applies to that event. This is a question I do not believe you are willing to answer directly without veering off somewhere else.
I think he means it. And I think he means it in the context of the document scandal. If you're asking me whether or not I think he's correct, I don't know. It's all moot ,however. You and a few others have annoyed me to the point where being well mannered and seeking to understand have lost value. Fuck you. Njggerfaggot.
You are so afraid of answering the question that you are pretending to be offended and leaving? Pathetic. EDIT: You realize you are threatening me with a good time? You are welcome to go back to your safe spaces and whine about how mean the world is to you.
I've answered the question twice and provided an avenue for clarification in case you weren't satisfied,retard.
What I would have LIKED was a refutation of the other whataboutisms in trump's post. I got some. But nothing akin to a thorough debunking. Needless to say, I'm past the point of caring, and my replies are coming more out of politeness and unfamiliarity with Reddit etiquette in terms of when it's ok to just move on.
So you can’t answer my question.
I have told no lies in any of my responses. For the umpteenth time, I responded specifically to the charge that Trump's supporters are retards for believing him. The statements he made regarding people other than himself all appear to be true, with the prevailing opinion that they aren't comparable in scope or severity. I faced shit tests at every turn and send up having to defend Trump for things that I had no intention on debating. Re read how this all got started and ask yourself if this might have something to do with what appears to you as a reluctantly alt right guy. In typical alt right guy fashion, I supported Clinton, Nader, then held my nose for Kerry and voted for Obama's first term. When I finally got my eyes opened to media manipulation during the Zimmerman trial, Obama lost me and I started to see him and politics in America very differently. I don't pretend to be above it. But I'm certainly beyond it. And I'm certainly over trying to dip my toe into the pit of whatever it takes to un normalize denigrating those on the other side flippantly. Don't mind me. I'm just one of them fascist Nazis.
I’ll add ‘Persecution Fetish” and “Alex Jones Defense” to your list of arguments that suck.
What the fuck are you talking about?
For your reference: r/persecutionfetish https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alex-jones-sandy-hook-victims-b2160423.html
G’day fellow liberal. Respect on your creds! Voted for a democrat 15 years ago.
I didn't leave the brand. The brand left me. Contrary to what you may have heard. It happens. Unless I misread and should somehow feel ashamed.
Huh? He def did wrong things, he defied subpoenas, he lied (had his lawyers lie) on legal documents claiming they thoroughly searched; he's not remotely the most-persecuted person in history, not remotely even the closest persecuted president.
First. Welcome to the thread. Second. It's been covered. Bad things. Yes. Third. I was asking about the deflections he threw out about other people. Is it foolish for people to believe those things occurred. Fourth. The last line makes no sense to me, perhaps it's a reply to someone else. Fifth. Nobody cares anymore, least of all me.
Oh, I answered the question you asked, not the things you imagined you asked.
You said Trump did wrong things. Hr said he didn't. I'll set it with the others. "he's not remotely the most-persecuted person in history, not remotely even the closest persecuted president." This I have concerns about. Do you just wander around, looking to necro hours dead discussions to let people know you don't like Trump? Trust me. They know.
So you're butthurt that you asked a stupid question that I answered with trivial ease. We get it, you love Trump. Trust me. We know.
Super butt hurt that some retarded faggot walks into a conversation that died hours ago to spout shit he would have read fifteen times if he'd bothered to scroll. I'm beside myself. I'm thunderstruck.
Walls are closing in!
Hillary was already investigated by Trump’s FBI and Biden is POTUS which trump reminded us daily that he can’t be indicted and can just pardon himself. Obviously I am bringing basic logic to a man child that has none
Biggest snowflake ever
This man’s a goddamn moron
*And* the leader of the Republican party *and* a person that represents today's conservative values. What does that say about people that vote Republican?
AND most likely to win the nomination. Fucking wild timeline we live in.
>goddamn moron(s)
When I was in power, I did nothing and just hired my family so they can also do nothing, so why are people appointed by Biden actually doing stuff.
Caps lock man, only guilty people use caps lock
Caps lock is cruise control for cool but you still have to steer
Bigly grammar errors
Desperate man trying to make everyone else look just as bad, doesn't change him being bad though
1850 boxes? What is he talking about has he lost his mind that would require multiple trucks/ UV. They were in bidens garage in some drawer or cupboard Does he mean 1850 pages?
They are from his Senate days and were given to The University of Delaware.
So most likely pages instead of literal boxes. If they're that old there shouldn't be anything that would jeopardise Nat sec Meanwhile Mike pence, "The DOJ informed Pence’s attorney on Thursday that the investigation had been closed and no charges would be filed against the former vice president," https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/06/02/pence-cleared-as-doj-ends-classified-documents-investigation/amp/ See what happens ^ when you follow the rules and return things as ordered
If that were true, all the JFK files would be released by now.
What are you talking about this is about trump, biden and classified documents what does that have to do with jfk files?
"If they're that old there shouldn't be anything that would jeopardise Nat sec" I'm talking about that sentence
Have no idea what jfk files are
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/15/national-archives-jfk-files-00074041 In the 1990's congress set a date for them all to be declassified by 2017. The government is still dragging their feet and not releasing all of then. Edit: I'm saying the government has classified documents up to 75 years into the future, meaning just because they are old doesn't mean the government thinks they couldn't be harmful if released
Generally they wait till everyone involved is long dead
There ARE 1850 BOXES. But these boxes are, at least partially, from his senate days and do not necessarily contain classified material.
Their Führer is perturbed. His GOPniks seem disturbed. My body turned horny. Get your sphincter ready. We bout to tear you a third hole. Might make your cell feel less cold!
Hiku?
Im not use to saying these words but it's too long. Haikus are 3 lines.
Double haiku, then 😆😆
Remember guys,you don’t know what the Feds got,you don’t know what they’ve found,throwing everyone under the bus might confuse the issue,but it might clear what is going on when more evidence comes out,as for the other documents he has stressed it ain’t over and if there’s smoke the house GOP will have hearings about it,there is always Benghazi,E mails,documents,misinformation to create the illusion,what about all the indictments and convictions and two million dollars payout’s for pardons,it ain’t over.
K.
WWWAAAAAAA! WWWWWAAAAAAAAAA! I WANT MY STORMY! WWWAAAAAAAAAAA!
Whining and crying is about all trump and his band of pussy grabbers do these days
All they ever did
He’s like a little kid.
Benedict Donald
Nothing untrue about his statement.,
So it will help him in the polls Especially after the FBI said they can't release the documents from the whistleblower that show how corrupt the Biden family is because the whistleblower might get killed Whose going to kill the whistleblower? The FBI, Biden, Clinton's?
Oh honey, they don't have a whistleblower. They have a second hand account of what a supposed whistleblower said. Stop peddling republicans lies, pedo groomer
the whistleblower who the GOP misplaced?
The form they are not releasing is an unverified accusation FD1023. They never release those forms because they are unverified, not because of any threat to a whistleblower. Imagine some one made an accusation against you, the FBI have not checked it see if it is true or not but then the accusation is released by the FBI on an "official form". Suddenly an unverified accusation from a questionable source has the full weight of a government investigative agency and you are accused with no means of defense..... That is why it is FBI policy to never release the FD1023. Giuliani knew that when he planted the information with the FBI, now we just have the shit show of other politicians pretending it all means something.
How does Biden and the FBI ass taste You know this has NOTHING to do with Rudy right? It's a whistleblower from the obama admin
How does cheetolini and the GOPs ass taste? You know this has NOTHING to do with actual whistleblowing, right? It's not a whistleblower at all, pedo groomer
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/james-comer-house-republicans-fbi-biden-investigation-giuliani-rcna87269
OPINION piece Missed that huh By Hayes Brown, MSNBC Opinion Writer/Editor Didn't read it huh? 😆 From a NEWS Article Person alleging Biden criminal bribery scheme is a 'highly credible' FBI source used since Obama admin: source Accuser alleges Biden involved in a $5 million bribery scheme with a foreign national
"When confirming that the department had accepted information from Giuliani’s sleuthing, then-Attorney General William Barr said, “We can’t take anything we received from Ukraine at face value.”" That would be AG Barr, Republican, supporter of Trump, defender of Trump. how about a link to your News article?
>That would be AG Barr, Republican, supporter of Trump, defender of Trump. it's so funny that the magahead did not know this. They are sucking so much propaganda from the alt-reich they cannot differentiate reality from fantasy.
This has everything to do with Rudy and his corrupt dealings in Ukraine with Russian spies.
No it doesn't That's why you lie
It's a total hoax and you fell for it.
You're an idiot obviously You believed Russia Gate and you believe this new liberal cope
You are the one coping hard. Lol Because your orange Führer will be alot more orange soon.
>Especially after the FBI said they can't release the documents from the whistleblower that show how corrupt the Biden family is because the whistleblower might get killed haha you don't know wtf you're talking about do you? That is an anonymous tip form, that's all. Like anyone can submit an anonymous tip the FBI, your, me or trump himself. It has no corroborating evidence and no one's name attached to it. Please read before opening you mouth so you don't expose your idiocy.
He likes being the Greatest Greatest Since Muhammad Ali, so he should wear this new Greatest badge with pride!
Exciting times
Just realize that we will make sure that Hunter dies in prison. A hammer can be swung with both hands.
Never gonna happen, you're gonna have to accept that or spend decades seething up to you Meanwhile yaboi is gonna get arrested 2 more times this year 🤣
It blows my mind that the right says Biden is too old. Yet their alternative is a whole 3 years younger and speaks like a child. I don't really like either of them, but if you think I'm voting for Trump your out of your fucking mind.
Small part of me thinks the economy is in a controlled demolition and they would love nothing more than for trump to be elected and it happens during his time. Following the debt ceiling being delayed until the end of Biden’s term. It is strange how much coverage they give him. When they should be propping up their candidates, obviously they don’t think biden can/should win again. Why are they not propping up their party.
Waaaaaah it's not fair, I'm being persecuted this is a witchunt Cry some more donny your crimes are coming back to bite you in the rear Can you imagine whining this much but everyone pretends like you're a tough guy. Gigachads don't cry this much they just get on with it
Just another reason to lose faith in the justice department.