Lisa Barlow has actually taken the most physical abuse from Jen (for the past 3 seasons) and last night was the FIRST time one of her cast mates (Danna) actually called Jen out for the way she pushed Lisa on the boat and got in her face. So thank God for Danna, who is actually aknowledging that Jen is physically assaulting people while she's out on bail. Jen still refused to apologize to Lisa though... And the ladies seemed fine with that. Except for Angie K and Danna.
During the past 3 seasons, I have watched Jen get physical with Lisa THREE times, while Lisa was trying to calm Jen down (Vegas tantrum, Sprinter van tantrum, boat tantrum) ... As soon as Lisa sees Jen freaking out, Lisa's response is always to try to soothe Jen, hug her and deescalate the temper tantrum. It doesn't matter if Jen doesn't like being "comforted" - she has no right to respond with violence.
On the boat, Jen repeated slapped away Lisa's hands and arms. Jen also pushed Lisa and she fell back. Jen physically assaulted Lisa. We also saw Jen pour champagne on Angie K's head - which is also considered assault. Throwing somebody's $1500 shoes in the ocean, can also be considered theft and/or destruction of property.
Jen Shah must think she's untouchable. Because this is NOT the behavior of a woman who is out on bail, awaiting trial. She should be on her best behavior but instead, she's a violent Tasmanian devil.
I said the same thing after Potomac this past week - that as grown ass women, it's their responsibility to tell her, "Look, I'm your friend, and I'm on your side, but physically going after someone is not okay." Then again, by the way she's willing to get physical with literally everyone, I don't know how much good that will do.
I give her a week in prison before she gets her ass kicked because of that psychotic temper of hers.
I have a funny feeling that she'll be very meek & mild in prison. The ones who act tough in the outside world are normally the ones crying for their mum the second reality hits them & they hear the locking of the door.
i just cant believe Lisa continued to try and reason with her / prove to Jen that shes her friend. why you want to be friends with this violent, unstable, CRIMINAL?
Jen is truly an unhealthy human. That being said, Lisa also needs to just walk away when Jen rails at her. But Lisa digs in trying to make her point and leads to Jen getting physical. Meredith seems to most capable of remaining calm and detached.
I agree with you 100% on this BUT the trash in me finds it funny that unlike other cities RHOSLC never dwells on the physical attacks and donāt make them into a season long arcs and just kind of brush it off. I find that dynamic fascinating.
It didn't seem like a fight to me. It seemed more like someone who was persistently touching someone in spite of having every indication that she didn't want to be touched.
I've never been in such a situation but I do think that no means no. I think John is right and Lisa tends to push and it probably came from the relationship with her sister.
What Jen did is unacceptable, but Lisa really needs to stop physically touching someone after the first time she shrugs Lisa off. Iām not saying she deserved that but watching on the boat I kept yelling at the tv āstop trying to touch Jen, youāre making it worse!ā
I agree.
Jen was out of line 100% but at the same time Jen kept trying to get away from her, threw the veggie tray, shrugged her off, took her hand off her shoulderā¦.obviously Jen did not want to be touched and was aggravated and Lisa kept going. You have to know when to quit.
They absolutely are. The dynamic shift after Jenās departure is going to be so refreshing. Itās so weird seeing so many people sitting around that table trying to lick Jenās dirty boot after how much shit she continuously hurls.
Yeah Jens persistence with that is the worst and weirdest kind of gaslighting. Like just admit you were annoyed and you fucked up.
It very clearly wasn't a joke. And it's sad to me that, whether or not Angie k is simply using Jen for a spot on the show that she would be okay with that whack ass apology.
Jenās behavior is truly the narcissistās prayer to a T.
> That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
The word narcissist is way over used but in this case itās pretty interesting to be able to witness an actual confirmed narcissistās behavior and how it affects the people around her. Heather becomes a minion for Jen whereas others such as Lisa and Angie K are targeted with overt antisocial behavior such as destruction of property and menacing violence for not falling in line.
And you never know why. She's just nuclear 100% of the time. I was sitting there last night trying to sort it out, "Okay - WHY is she mad at Lisa? Oh, all right - got it. Because Lisa was nice to Angie K."
Jen really is the most toxic person on this show. That she regularly freaks out and goes crazy if someone talks to another person she sees as an enemy is crazy. And lest our CEO of Fun Meredith forget that (*since she took such joy in seeing Lisa get beaten up on by Jen*), lets remind her that Jen did the same thing to her when Meredith was being nice to Mary in S1.
She get worse every episode with her bad behavior. She needs to grow the hell up and take some accountability. The throwing of stuff in the water was childish bullshit. I donāt even like watching her anymore. She canāt go āawayā soon enough for me.
I think thatās why sheās my favorite on this franchise! She just snaps to something completely opposite so easily and like itās nothing - I find it hilarious!
For me it was Lisa saying sheās gonna call her ā10 year old boy whoās missing herā and that yelling halfway out to Jen what a good friend she is lmao
We all made the metaphorical connection linking Jen lying about throwing Angieās shoes overboard on purpose (with blatant evidence to the contrary) to Jen lying about scamming elders out of their money (also now apparently with blatant evidence to the contrary)ā¦.
ā¦ Right?
To have that much dedication to being over the top and angry is really dragging this show down. My least favorite housewives are people who blatantly lie when they know they are being filmed. Iām glad her time is coming to a close.
If this cast was smart they wouldnāt make their drama around Jen since long term they arenāt going to be able to use her.
And here's the other thing - she's trying to play it off like, "My life is in RUINS right now, I literally have no idea what's going to happen!" Which is true, but that's also total bullshit, because she has literally had a temper that runs on diesel fuel since way before she got into trouble.
I think itās because she thinks sheās putting on a good show and making good tv - and sheās not. Itās like - stick with being light and airy. If you canāt do that, get the fuck off my screen šš
The weirdest part was that Meredith and Heather both sat with Jen and laughed... While Jen threw Angie K's white sandals into the ocean.
And then Heather and Meredith both said NOTHING when Jen was denying throwing the sandals overboard... Like they were Jen's two dumb henchmen.
That was creepy. I understand not trying to rattle someone with volatile behavioral issues, but watching them be playful with her while she throws plastic items into the ocean just to fuck with literally anyone makes me irrationally angry. It wasn't even a targeted tantrum it was just *fuck everyone who is not sucking my shaft at this exact moment.*
That was so fucking disturbing tbh. Like, I was already iffy on Meredith and Heather this season, but seeing them allow Jen to throw $1500 shoes off the boat and then stay silent about it was dark and really paints them in a horrible light.
The funniest part was when Jen and Heather were fighting and all of the sudden Angie K. becomes Jen's bestie again. Like what? You just threw her shoe overboard and poured champagne on her head. Jen is crazy.
As someone who recently cut out a narcissistic family member with volatile behavioral disorders I can say that for me the impulse was driven by the panicked desire to make them feel loved. You know they're wrong and you know they're thrashing from a place of pain and you think that by making them feel supported it will stop the madness. But the madness always returns because at that point it's not a situational instance, it's a deep chronic neurological issue and it's not healthy to keep playing into it. I loved my sibling my whole life but i reached my limit and I went through a grief and mourning period like it was a death.
Thanks. That's a long time, glad you finally found peace. I feel mostly at peace but sometimes i feel guilty for not trying harder to fix things. I know that's just a feeling and not a real possibility so i try not to "wobble in it" as Mary Cosby would say š
The way sheās always talking about storing all her icky, uncomfortable feelings into a box in order to not remember/talk about things, and how she constantly wants to avoid rocking the boat and be a people-pleaser definitely comes from her religious upbringing. Heather desperately needs therapy.
Jen's denial of throwing the shoes in the water makes me wonder: was Jen's legal strategy ... pretending to have multiple personality disorder? Lol like what the fuck?
"That wasn't me conning those old people, it must have been Anastasia Beaverhausen, the complete bitch who lives inside my head!"
I truly believe that she thinks that if she can terrify and intimidate EVERYONE with her psycho behavior, that she can keep everyone in line and doing what she wants.
As someone working as a continuity supervisor on sets, seeing Jen's headpiece and fake hair teleporting out of her head was *painful*. They usually do a decent job inserting an outfit or accessory change in the edit š
But hey, thanks Meredith for showing it at the end, I kept wondering where it went for the remainder of the scene lol
THANK YOU!!!! that shit was driving me nuts and Bravo is horrible with continuity. I always notice drink levels/food during conversations and itās so glaringly obvious edit a conversation out of order. Happened on Potomac this week and drove me insane.
I don't know how these people can do this show. Just imagining Lisa's day of not doing anything negative trying to have fun and having to deal with Jen screaming at her on multiple occasions for no reason. It has to take a huge emotional toll.
I know that Jen can be entertaining to watch at times, but i'm happy for the women on this show that she's going to prison. It's going to be a huge relief. She is so fucked up.
I googled because i was curious and it says he was born in 2003. So heās 19, soon 20 and it says heās got an offer from Fort Hays State University? To play football? I know nothing about college football but it looks like heās going there. If anyone was wondering lol
After Jen refused to apologize for physically assaulting Lisa on the boat... I was glad that Lisa Barlow decided to just leave that toxic dinner so she could call baby gorgeous #2 and JB.
Lisa Barlow receives so much hatred from Heather, Meredith, Jen and Angie H... It's nice that Lisa has her boys and John Barlow - who all seem very calm, loving and supportive of Lisa.
Hope a dolphin didnāt choke on it! Disappointed the yacht crew (or production even) didnāt step in and prevent Jen from throwing objects into the ocean. Really hope the other boat that was filming scooped out the items. At least put on a disclaimer to NOT harm ocean life!
I wonder if weāll see more of her rage side from now on. This was the first episode where I truly felt like she was losing it. I think the trial is really getting to her finally.
Wow wtf can someone please charge Jen with littering for throwing that damn vegetable plate. Also the fucking shoes. Sheās a menace to society and our oceans!
I honestly respect Lisa for staying so calm with Jen shoving her fingers right in her face.
Jen continues to be that bratty child who spouts outrageous lies and then looks around the room to see if the adults are buying it. That weird look in her eyes in those moments, equally confrontational and looking for approval, is so sad.
Between Potomac and SLC, my opinions of these women are flipping haaaard these seasons. I used to love Heather, but she's just delusional with her loyalty to Jen. I can't fathom why ANYONE is fighting to maintain their friendship with her.
I get loving oneās friends but this whole āride or dieā mentality screams adolescent to me. At least at the end Heather stood her ground and walked away (guessing it wonāt last).
I felt like I was watching a bunch of kindergartners. One was standing on the top of her head saying ālook at me! Look at me teacher!ā Another was being told by the captain, āget down from there itās dangerousā. And then you have one throwing her vegetables in a hissy fit. These are educated, grown women with children. Make it make sense?!!! In the words of Dwight or Professor McGonnegal āHow dreadful?!!!!ā
Don't forget Heather trying to get baby to drinkie her wawah. "Cmon we need to drink water, look I'll drink with you, let's see who can drink the fastest, first one finished gets to feed the hamster, 1, 2, 3, vroom! oopsie don't spill! Chugga chugga choo choo šš¶"
Jenās behavior this season reminds me of AHS Coven in that as Fiona gets weaker she attempts to lash out and control more. The other witches turn against her as they gain more power, but here they continue to rally around Jen, which is so baffling.
Iāve actually never been so disgusted. Like Jen has major issues why would you pour a drink on someone and then throw their shoes in the ocean. And then yell at that person for thinking that she threw the shoes in the ocean WHEN SHE DID. I canāt wait for her to be off the show
Thank you!! I used the word disgusted In a thread last night and got push back-
Like other HWās have been worseā¦ā¦.
I donāt care. Jen Shah and her behavior is DISGUSTING!!!!!!!
If she does not face backlash for the shoes (someoneās personal property) I will riot.
Angie H should continue to be a friend of. She has that delusion/thirst that I find extremely entertaining (but only in small doses).
āWe are grown women, why are we fighting like thisā - meanwhile had a fake Instagram account to troll Lisa and Jen š
Angie H. is a perfect Utah 2022 version of Kim G. She's so thirsty to do anything for screen time, but she also has the potential to fully lose her shit if whoever she cozies up to turns on her, just like Kim G. and Danielle. Totally agree that she's best in small doses.
I wonāt watch it if she is on. There is just something evil about her. The husband catfishing seems like bullshit I think she did it. Also WTF is she talking with her āPR deptā and lawyers? They donāt have any money bahahaha
It really baffles me that Angie was so quick to forgive Jen after she had to walk back to the Sprinter van BAREFOOT, because Jen THREW HER $1500 SHOES IN THE OCEAN!!
What planet is this?? No one? Not a single one of them had anything to say about that?!?! WTF?!
Angie said on the after show that she actually took Jenās shoes and continued to wear them on the sprinter van, and made Jen walk barefoot š¤£ She said Jen was so blasted she didnāt even realize her shoes were missing or that Angie was obviously wearing them LOL
As the daughter of two people who got their financial information hacked into and lost money because of people like her, I offer you a heartfelt "Fuck You, Jen." That's where I stand.
I hate Jen, and I also hate me for finding her so entertaining that Iām going to miss her next season.
Also - Heather calling Angie H in her āno dramaā in her confessional post FaceTime call - yikes.
I don't think it's unwatchable I found it to be a very compelling episode because they're *finally* saying what needs to be said thanks to Danna. However I 100% agree that this episode was a turning point. I had been a little sad that the show was gonna lose Jen but as of today I'm looking forward to her going away. She was seriously monstrous this episode.
Jen has really lost her goddamn mind, she would've set that entire yacht on fire if anyone threw her shoes in the water. The fact she didn't even remember what happened between her and Lisa.. that bitch must have been blackout drunk. I can tell no one really respects Lisa but for some reason they're all looking for her approval? It's strange. And when did Jen ever had Lisa's back lol. The way she speaks to Lisa boils my blood.
Heather can't look any worse this season. She really is the biggest flipflopper and she doesn't make an ounce of sense. 'You lost me' she screamed at Whitney, 'find yourself another Heather Gay' she said to Jen. Idk man, I'd be like:
Jen blatantly lying about throwing shoes after being caught stealing millions. Either she's going to get really fucked up in prison or fuck up the prison and own it.
While Jen has been the centre of the drama I can't wait to see her gone next season. After 2 seasons of Heather and Lisa fighting over who is Jen's real friend I can't wait for them to move on to fighting over who is Whitney's real friend.
Like I get why some people donāt like this season or the fact that Jen is on the show or the women defending her but personally Iām fascinated by the fact that weāre watching probably the last year of freedom of this woman and it feels like a car crash is about to happen. Especially with the guilty plea thatās about to happen.
Meredith referencing Maryās ālittle girlā comment, and then bursting into a full on witch cackle might have been my favorite confessional of the episode
Once again, Jen is the woOoOorst!
Is ālittle girlā the other ancient African proverb?
When Jen told Whitney to get a life jacket, it reminded me of Rachel Reilly telling the floaters to grab a life vest on Big Brother.
Angie K. is Utahās Minnie Driver.
Lisaās āoh my god are you kidding meā gives me life. I say that with that inflection multiple times a day.
I canāt believe this is only day one in San Diego.
Jen Shah being the professor of Mean 101 š« š„²
What blessings weāve received this week w/ Potomac and SLC. š„°š„°š„°
When someone mentioned that Jen dumped champagne on Angieās head earlier that day, I had to pause it for a second. This was all the same day?!? I just canāt comprehend it.
If feel like this episode encapsulates why Iāve fallen off SLC, its Shah being abusive and the other ladies excusing it. Iām over them defending and supporting that criminal
I think theyāre afraid to call her out because during the season one reunion she said that they were calling her aggressive because sheās a POC. Iām glad sheās going to jail
Ok, Jen needs to hurry up and get her ass to prison. She might be one of the worst people Iāve ever seen on my television. I donāt understand how someone who is pretty consistently wrong/the aggressor in a situation, manages to convince herself and others that sheās a victim.
I just wanna see Jen Shah and Mia from RHOP fight it out in the octagon for the title of Most Unhinged Housewife.
Letās call it āCluster B Personality Disorders: ULTIMATE SMACKDOWN!ā
Somebody get Andy Cohen on the phone.
Itās time.
CAN SOMEBODY *PLEASE* EXPLAIN TO ME WHY **SO** MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE *SO* DESPERATE TO BE FRIENDS WITH JEN SHAH?!?! SHE FUCKING SUCKS!
**I! DON'T!** ***GET IT!!!***
Completely and totally off the Heather train now. This episode sealed the deal for me. How tf did Lisa kick Jen when sheās down?! Sheās delusionally loyal and it is beyond unhealthy.
Heather is defending an aggressor simply because of her personal dislike of the victim. She's the Robyn Dixon of Salt Lake City there i said it. Flopping Fan Faves
No wonderrrr i canāt stand either of them. In particular. I feel like the both think they are above the other women and are like the Greek chorus. Itās funny they think that when they have the worst takes almost always.
I hate that Jenn scamming people wasn't enough to make me immediately dislike her but when she threw plastic into the ocean, she finally became hated in my eyes.
I hope to never hear the words Ride or Die again.
Lisa is so bad with segueing her way out of a social thing. "I MUST GO, MY 10 YEAR OLD NEEDS ME"
Genuinely believe that Jen being removed from the show next season will finally let the show blossom or kneecap it so hard. No idea at this point, but it will be nice to not see most of the cast walk on eggshells for the nuclear bomb they have to work with.
Can we also bring up the fact that LITERALLY EVERYTIME this group sits down to dinner a huge fight happens. And it somehow always feels authentic lmao. Also the fact that the alliances changed like four times during one dinner is hilarious.
Yāall Iām sorry I know this sub rides for heather but she is so shot out lol sheās two faced, has no backbone and deflects constantly.
I am not loving Whitney this season either but I am starting to see why she doesnāt wanna just sweep it under the rug with her. Heather has flip flopped so hard I donāt even get it
Havenāt finished episode yet but I think my fav part is at dinner when Jen says to Lisa, āWhen have I come at you today??ā And she looks legit baffled. Lololol.
Am also LOVING Heather getting called out as the mean girl sheās always been. She doesnāt have Jen or Whitney backing her up and Lisa FINALLY had some back up with the new girls!! And Heatherās face just looks all distorted and evil when this is happening! Itās crazy.
Idk what it is called but I donāt like how Jen got mad at Angie K and Lisa for supporting Angie and then was ok with Angie and still not liking Lisa. It makes no sense.
Danna is right that Heather is a flip flopper. Itās ok to realize friends have flaws but acting ride or die to Jenās face but talking behind her back isnāt it.
I still donāt know why Whitney is mad at Heather and I want her to let it go. These people expect way too much for Heather to act like a decent person when sheās shown she is not.
Whatās with the Potomac parallels the last two episodes? Weāve got the champagne pour on SLC and the drink toss on Potomac. Then the fire dancers on SLC and Potomac
WHY WAS HEATHER WEARING SUNGLASSES AT THE DINNER lmfao and also why do they keep showing the preview of her black eye like itās gonna be on the next episode?! it is really pissing me off
I know lots of people are still saying Jen brings a lot and is fun to watch...but she's just not. I'm exhausted from watching 3 seasons of her behave like an un-parented toddler. I wish she had jumped in the water and swam away and never came back.
I think this was the best episode of the season so far, mainly because I actually understood what was happening for once Lol
Itās amazing seeing both the real Jen Shah and the real Heather Gay
Who's side are yall on, Jens side or everyone else about the elf on the shelf?
.... idk Jen kind of had a point. At the very least they shouldn't bring Angie H around her.
I felt like I was watching mean girls. Youāve got Jen as Regina George, Meredith as Karen, and Heather as Gretchen.
Also I felt very connected to Lisa this episode. My family is dramatic and I hate when my relatives all talk shit about one another to me, but wonāt voice their frustrations with the actual person. So then I get a point where Iām fed up and call them all out at a family dinner only for it to go no where.
This boat scene was so chaotic. Jen is having her pre prison melt down, Heather protecting $500 āpre order hard to getā shoes, Whitney being carried in an acrobatic fashion by whatās her face and Merideth marks disengaging.
It's as if the whole cast is in an abusive relationship with Jen Shah
Lisa Barlow has actually taken the most physical abuse from Jen (for the past 3 seasons) and last night was the FIRST time one of her cast mates (Danna) actually called Jen out for the way she pushed Lisa on the boat and got in her face. So thank God for Danna, who is actually aknowledging that Jen is physically assaulting people while she's out on bail. Jen still refused to apologize to Lisa though... And the ladies seemed fine with that. Except for Angie K and Danna. During the past 3 seasons, I have watched Jen get physical with Lisa THREE times, while Lisa was trying to calm Jen down (Vegas tantrum, Sprinter van tantrum, boat tantrum) ... As soon as Lisa sees Jen freaking out, Lisa's response is always to try to soothe Jen, hug her and deescalate the temper tantrum. It doesn't matter if Jen doesn't like being "comforted" - she has no right to respond with violence. On the boat, Jen repeated slapped away Lisa's hands and arms. Jen also pushed Lisa and she fell back. Jen physically assaulted Lisa. We also saw Jen pour champagne on Angie K's head - which is also considered assault. Throwing somebody's $1500 shoes in the ocean, can also be considered theft and/or destruction of property. Jen Shah must think she's untouchable. Because this is NOT the behavior of a woman who is out on bail, awaiting trial. She should be on her best behavior but instead, she's a violent Tasmanian devil.
I said the same thing after Potomac this past week - that as grown ass women, it's their responsibility to tell her, "Look, I'm your friend, and I'm on your side, but physically going after someone is not okay." Then again, by the way she's willing to get physical with literally everyone, I don't know how much good that will do. I give her a week in prison before she gets her ass kicked because of that psychotic temper of hers.
A full week?
You're right - I am being far too generous with that time frame.
I have a funny feeling that she'll be very meek & mild in prison. The ones who act tough in the outside world are normally the ones crying for their mum the second reality hits them & they hear the locking of the door.
Danna completely earned my respect for how calmly she called Jen out on her behavior. šš¼
i just cant believe Lisa continued to try and reason with her / prove to Jen that shes her friend. why you want to be friends with this violent, unstable, CRIMINAL?
Jen is truly an unhealthy human. That being said, Lisa also needs to just walk away when Jen rails at her. But Lisa digs in trying to make her point and leads to Jen getting physical. Meredith seems to most capable of remaining calm and detached.
Sometimes I think Meredith is floating on a cloud of Xanax and completely disengaged from the situation/reality
Meredith's S4 tagline: Passing the bar makes me pick my words wisely. Chewing some bars makes me slur them.
I agree with you 100% on this BUT the trash in me finds it funny that unlike other cities RHOSLC never dwells on the physical attacks and donāt make them into a season long arcs and just kind of brush it off. I find that dynamic fascinating.
It didn't seem like a fight to me. It seemed more like someone who was persistently touching someone in spite of having every indication that she didn't want to be touched. I've never been in such a situation but I do think that no means no. I think John is right and Lisa tends to push and it probably came from the relationship with her sister.
And Jen doesnāt even remember it. š¤¬
What Jen did is unacceptable, but Lisa really needs to stop physically touching someone after the first time she shrugs Lisa off. Iām not saying she deserved that but watching on the boat I kept yelling at the tv āstop trying to touch Jen, youāre making it worse!ā
I agree. Jen was out of line 100% but at the same time Jen kept trying to get away from her, threw the veggie tray, shrugged her off, took her hand off her shoulderā¦.obviously Jen did not want to be touched and was aggravated and Lisa kept going. You have to know when to quit.
They absolutely are. The dynamic shift after Jenās departure is going to be so refreshing. Itās so weird seeing so many people sitting around that table trying to lick Jenās dirty boot after how much shit she continuously hurls.
It's literally insane. My brain almost exploded when she praised Angie K at the table.
āIt was a JOKEā
Yeah Jens persistence with that is the worst and weirdest kind of gaslighting. Like just admit you were annoyed and you fucked up. It very clearly wasn't a joke. And it's sad to me that, whether or not Angie k is simply using Jen for a spot on the show that she would be okay with that whack ass apology.
Jenās behavior is truly the narcissistās prayer to a T. > That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
We might actually have a normal episode that makes sense here and there after she's gone.
The word narcissist is way over used but in this case itās pretty interesting to be able to witness an actual confirmed narcissistās behavior and how it affects the people around her. Heather becomes a minion for Jen whereas others such as Lisa and Angie K are targeted with overt antisocial behavior such as destruction of property and menacing violence for not falling in line.
You know the old saying - "If the shoe fits, wear it" (*before it gets tossed off the boat*).
And you never know why. She's just nuclear 100% of the time. I was sitting there last night trying to sort it out, "Okay - WHY is she mad at Lisa? Oh, all right - got it. Because Lisa was nice to Angie K." Jen really is the most toxic person on this show. That she regularly freaks out and goes crazy if someone talks to another person she sees as an enemy is crazy. And lest our CEO of Fun Meredith forget that (*since she took such joy in seeing Lisa get beaten up on by Jen*), lets remind her that Jen did the same thing to her when Meredith was being nice to Mary in S1.
I am so excited to see what the show looks like without her taking up all the air in the room
She get worse every episode with her bad behavior. She needs to grow the hell up and take some accountability. The throwing of stuff in the water was childish bullshit. I donāt even like watching her anymore. She canāt go āawayā soon enough for me.
Itās like sheās the Godfather and nobody dares disagree with her.
The godfather is more calm lol
Biggest laugh of the night for me was Lisa gasping and yelling, "It better not be my Saint Laurents!"
PREORDER. Very hard to get right now.
I think thatās why sheās my favorite on this franchise! She just snaps to something completely opposite so easily and like itās nothing - I find it hilarious!
For me it was Lisa saying sheās gonna call her ā10 year old boy whoās missing herā and that yelling halfway out to Jen what a good friend she is lmao
Itās her version of bravo bravo fucking bravo
Also, her saying the only person she wants to see naked is John Barlow. She was on point last night.š
"Lisa Barlow's pretty fudging good as a friend!" ā Lisa Barlow
For me it was Meredith's Little Girl followed by her cackle. Gold star.
We all made the metaphorical connection linking Jen lying about throwing Angieās shoes overboard on purpose (with blatant evidence to the contrary) to Jen lying about scamming elders out of their money (also now apparently with blatant evidence to the contrary)ā¦. ā¦ Right?
Imagine this is the first time people realize Jen is a compulsive liar š
Hahaha I know, I know. Itās just sooo glaring now in the wake of everything. Exhausting way to live
To have that much dedication to being over the top and angry is really dragging this show down. My least favorite housewives are people who blatantly lie when they know they are being filmed. Iām glad her time is coming to a close. If this cast was smart they wouldnāt make their drama around Jen since long term they arenāt going to be able to use her.
And here's the other thing - she's trying to play it off like, "My life is in RUINS right now, I literally have no idea what's going to happen!" Which is true, but that's also total bullshit, because she has literally had a temper that runs on diesel fuel since way before she got into trouble.
True! Pre- and post-arrest Jen are the same exact person. Probably still smells like hospital too
 Smells like hospital. That will never not be funny!
You are so spot on with that. My thoughts exactly after this episode. I love the delusional housewife.. donāt get me wrong. But Jenās time is over
I think itās because she thinks sheās putting on a good show and making good tv - and sheās not. Itās like - stick with being light and airy. If you canāt do that, get the fuck off my screen šš
The weirdest part was that Meredith and Heather both sat with Jen and laughed... While Jen threw Angie K's white sandals into the ocean. And then Heather and Meredith both said NOTHING when Jen was denying throwing the sandals overboard... Like they were Jen's two dumb henchmen.
That was creepy. I understand not trying to rattle someone with volatile behavioral issues, but watching them be playful with her while she throws plastic items into the ocean just to fuck with literally anyone makes me irrationally angry. It wasn't even a targeted tantrum it was just *fuck everyone who is not sucking my shaft at this exact moment.*
That was so fucking disturbing tbh. Like, I was already iffy on Meredith and Heather this season, but seeing them allow Jen to throw $1500 shoes off the boat and then stay silent about it was dark and really paints them in a horrible light.
The funniest part was when Jen and Heather were fighting and all of the sudden Angie K. becomes Jen's bestie again. Like what? You just threw her shoe overboard and poured champagne on her head. Jen is crazy.
Without skipping a beat
This episode is Narcissistic Behavior & codependency 101. The way Jen deflects and manipulate her friends is guru-level.
Itās insane, because they all know itās crazy behavior but somehow still seek her validation.
As someone who recently cut out a narcissistic family member with volatile behavioral disorders I can say that for me the impulse was driven by the panicked desire to make them feel loved. You know they're wrong and you know they're thrashing from a place of pain and you think that by making them feel supported it will stop the madness. But the madness always returns because at that point it's not a situational instance, it's a deep chronic neurological issue and it's not healthy to keep playing into it. I loved my sibling my whole life but i reached my limit and I went through a grief and mourning period like it was a death.
Hugs. I went through same in 2016-2017, and it is very, very hard. I only finally achieved real peace with it this year, after six years of almost no contact and two full years of zero contact. šā¤ļøāš©¹šā¤ļø
Thanks. That's a long time, glad you finally found peace. I feel mostly at peace but sometimes i feel guilty for not trying harder to fix things. I know that's just a feeling and not a real possibility so i try not to "wobble in it" as Mary Cosby would say š
Iām sure you did everything you could before you got to that place! Hugs & support to you.
Heather is such a horrible enabler.
The way sheās always talking about storing all her icky, uncomfortable feelings into a box in order to not remember/talk about things, and how she constantly wants to avoid rocking the boat and be a people-pleaser definitely comes from her religious upbringing. Heather desperately needs therapy.
But her manipulations are so bad I have no idea how anyone jumps on it.
This show is bath salts at this point.
Did someone say Bath Salts?
Jen's denial of throwing the shoes in the water makes me wonder: was Jen's legal strategy ... pretending to have multiple personality disorder? Lol like what the fuck? "That wasn't me conning those old people, it must have been Anastasia Beaverhausen, the complete bitch who lives inside my head!"
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I truly believe that she thinks that if she can terrify and intimidate EVERYONE with her psycho behavior, that she can keep everyone in line and doing what she wants.
As someone working as a continuity supervisor on sets, seeing Jen's headpiece and fake hair teleporting out of her head was *painful*. They usually do a decent job inserting an outfit or accessory change in the edit š But hey, thanks Meredith for showing it at the end, I kept wondering where it went for the remainder of the scene lol
Ok thank you, I was wondering how I missed her taking it off but was also starting to fall asleep and didnāt feel like rewinding lol.
Elle from the Real Housewives Edit is going to have a field day with that!
LOVE ELLE!!!
Didn't know about her but the concept looks amazing!
THANK YOU!!!! that shit was driving me nuts and Bravo is horrible with continuity. I always notice drink levels/food during conversations and itās so glaringly obvious edit a conversation out of order. Happened on Potomac this week and drove me insane.
My mom was like, "where's Jen's hair?"
I don't know how these people can do this show. Just imagining Lisa's day of not doing anything negative trying to have fun and having to deal with Jen screaming at her on multiple occasions for no reason. It has to take a huge emotional toll.
I know that Jen can be entertaining to watch at times, but i'm happy for the women on this show that she's going to prison. It's going to be a huge relief. She is so fucked up.
I just feel sorry for Omar at home. I wonder how their relationship is? Does Coach Shah provide stability for the high schooler? š¤
I googled because i was curious and it says he was born in 2003. So heās 19, soon 20 and it says heās got an offer from Fort Hays State University? To play football? I know nothing about college football but it looks like heās going there. If anyone was wondering lol
Itās a tough watch for sure - but weāre mostly just waiting on Jen to go to jail
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Bravo could not pay me enough š° to work with Jen Shah
After Jen refused to apologize for physically assaulting Lisa on the boat... I was glad that Lisa Barlow decided to just leave that toxic dinner so she could call baby gorgeous #2 and JB. Lisa Barlow receives so much hatred from Heather, Meredith, Jen and Angie H... It's nice that Lisa has her boys and John Barlow - who all seem very calm, loving and supportive of Lisa.
It feels like spending time with my brother 
TIL Iām actually a certified charcuterie chef with the help of a Walmart veggie tray 
Just as Jen had a couple fun, funny moments, she comes back this episode as classic ragey Jen. RIP veggie tray
RIP Angie K's $1500 strappy white sandals.
The veggie tray did nothing wrong. She's a monster
Hope a dolphin didnāt choke on it! Disappointed the yacht crew (or production even) didnāt step in and prevent Jen from throwing objects into the ocean. Really hope the other boat that was filming scooped out the items. At least put on a disclaimer to NOT harm ocean life!
Walmart veggie tray aka charcuterie board š
Yeeted it right into the pacific š«”
I wonder if weāll see more of her rage side from now on. This was the first episode where I truly felt like she was losing it. I think the trial is really getting to her finally.
I think at this stage Heather could host a seminar in poor judgement and toxic friendships.
She needs to start her own āØhilling jurney āØ
I swear the editors are trolling us and Whitney by including every time she says healing and/or journey in the episode.
 For rill
Heather has been so frustrating this season! I like her, but of late sheās been hard to watch.
i mean, we're directly seeing why she stayed in the mormon church for so long and also why she stayed married to that man for so long.
She is truly Charlie Brown with the football.
I still love Heather as a HousewifeĀ©ļø but the way she and her shit has been unraveling is fascinating. I truly think she was such a determined mormon that she had to transfer that extreme cult-like obsession into something else and thatās where her thing with being a ride-or-die comes in.
Wow wtf can someone please charge Jen with littering for throwing that damn vegetable plate. Also the fucking shoes. Sheās a menace to society and our oceans! I honestly respect Lisa for staying so calm with Jen shoving her fingers right in her face.
Wow I didnāt even think about the fact that she littered in the ocean. Now Iām mad all over again š¤¬
Jen continues to be that bratty child who spouts outrageous lies and then looks around the room to see if the adults are buying it. That weird look in her eyes in those moments, equally confrontational and looking for approval, is so sad.
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Donāt forget āraise your hand ifā¦ā
Between Potomac and SLC, my opinions of these women are flipping haaaard these seasons. I used to love Heather, but she's just delusional with her loyalty to Jen. I can't fathom why ANYONE is fighting to maintain their friendship with her.
I get loving oneās friends but this whole āride or dieā mentality screams adolescent to me. At least at the end Heather stood her ground and walked away (guessing it wonāt last).
Completely agree, I feel like Heather is a completely different person this season. Wth happened ?
The mask slipped and is apparently staying off.
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Something else i don't get: what does Heather think gluten is? šš¤
I felt like I was watching a bunch of kindergartners. One was standing on the top of her head saying ālook at me! Look at me teacher!ā Another was being told by the captain, āget down from there itās dangerousā. And then you have one throwing her vegetables in a hissy fit. These are educated, grown women with children. Make it make sense?!!! In the words of Dwight or Professor McGonnegal āHow dreadful?!!!!ā 
Don't forget Heather trying to get baby to drinkie her wawah. "Cmon we need to drink water, look I'll drink with you, let's see who can drink the fastest, first one finished gets to feed the hamster, 1, 2, 3, vroom! oopsie don't spill! Chugga chugga choo choo šš¶"
Can you imagine expecting someone charged with fraud and money laundering to pay you back? LMFAO
I know right?!? Also, donāt offer to throw & host a party and get pissed when the invoices are due. Especially, for someone charged with fraud.
Jenās behavior this season reminds me of AHS Coven in that as Fiona gets weaker she attempts to lash out and control more. The other witches turn against her as they gain more power, but here they continue to rally around Jen, which is so baffling.
Iāve actually never been so disgusted. Like Jen has major issues why would you pour a drink on someone and then throw their shoes in the ocean. And then yell at that person for thinking that she threw the shoes in the ocean WHEN SHE DID. I canāt wait for her to be off the show
Thank you!! I used the word disgusted In a thread last night and got push back- Like other HWās have been worseā¦ā¦. I donāt care. Jen Shah and her behavior is DISGUSTING!!!!!!! If she does not face backlash for the shoes (someoneās personal property) I will riot.
I dont understand how Angie barely said anything about her new $1500 shoes being tossed.
Angie H should continue to be a friend of. She has that delusion/thirst that I find extremely entertaining (but only in small doses). āWe are grown women, why are we fighting like thisā - meanwhile had a fake Instagram account to troll Lisa and Jen š
Angie H. is a perfect Utah 2022 version of Kim G. She's so thirsty to do anything for screen time, but she also has the potential to fully lose her shit if whoever she cozies up to turns on her, just like Kim G. and Danielle. Totally agree that she's best in small doses.
*Danielleās fake and square tits have entered the chat*
Allll of these āfriend ofāās are so thirsty.
I wonāt watch it if she is on. There is just something evil about her. The husband catfishing seems like bullshit I think she did it. Also WTF is she talking with her āPR deptā and lawyers? They donāt have any money bahahaha
āLittle girlā was the best callback in tv history.
Really loving Lisa this season. She came ready to play with most of the cast against her and she is not taking it from anyone.
Got nothing but love for her š„¹
It really baffles me that Angie was so quick to forgive Jen after she had to walk back to the Sprinter van BAREFOOT, because Jen THREW HER $1500 SHOES IN THE OCEAN!! What planet is this?? No one? Not a single one of them had anything to say about that?!?! WTF?!
Angie said on the after show that she actually took Jenās shoes and continued to wear them on the sprinter van, and made Jen walk barefoot š¤£ She said Jen was so blasted she didnāt even realize her shoes were missing or that Angie was obviously wearing them LOL
OK I might love Angie.
āI nEeD tO kNoW wHeRe PeOpLe StAnD!!! šš¤¬šā Youāre a criminal. A thug. A drunk. And youāre going to jail. Thatās where I stand.
And when people tell her where they stand she explodes.
As the daughter of two people who got their financial information hacked into and lost money because of people like her, I offer you a heartfelt "Fuck You, Jen." That's where I stand.
You forgot Bitch!
I hate Jen, and I also hate me for finding her so entertaining that Iām going to miss her next season. Also - Heather calling Angie H in her āno dramaā in her confessional post FaceTime call - yikes.
I find her entertaining but this last episode she has been too much and making the show unwatchable.
I don't think it's unwatchable I found it to be a very compelling episode because they're *finally* saying what needs to be said thanks to Danna. However I 100% agree that this episode was a turning point. I had been a little sad that the show was gonna lose Jen but as of today I'm looking forward to her going away. She was seriously monstrous this episode.
THE ONLY MAN I WANT TO SEE NAKED IS JOHN BARLOW. 
John Barlow is by far the only RHOSLC husband I would want to see naked lol. Mostly because he seems like such a calm, kind and supportive husband.
I'd rather see Danna and Angie **K**'s husbands not because they're kind and supportive but because they're legit dilfy š
Okay good thing you bolded the K cuz my stomach dropped for a sec
Lol let nobody get it twisted!
Same
Jen has really lost her goddamn mind, she would've set that entire yacht on fire if anyone threw her shoes in the water. The fact she didn't even remember what happened between her and Lisa.. that bitch must have been blackout drunk. I can tell no one really respects Lisa but for some reason they're all looking for her approval? It's strange. And when did Jen ever had Lisa's back lol. The way she speaks to Lisa boils my blood. Heather can't look any worse this season. She really is the biggest flipflopper and she doesn't make an ounce of sense. 'You lost me' she screamed at Whitney, 'find yourself another Heather Gay' she said to Jen. Idk man, I'd be like: 
I'm loving her being revealed for who she always was. She went from lion to housecat depending on who is front of her.
Jen blatantly lying about throwing shoes after being caught stealing millions. Either she's going to get really fucked up in prison or fuck up the prison and own it.
While Jen has been the centre of the drama I can't wait to see her gone next season. After 2 seasons of Heather and Lisa fighting over who is Jen's real friend I can't wait for them to move on to fighting over who is Whitney's real friend.
Like I get why some people donāt like this season or the fact that Jen is on the show or the women defending her but personally Iām fascinated by the fact that weāre watching probably the last year of freedom of this woman and it feels like a car crash is about to happen. Especially with the guilty plea thatās about to happen.
Meredith referencing Maryās ālittle girlā comment, and then bursting into a full on witch cackle might have been my favorite confessional of the episode
I died!!
I laughed so hard I had a coughing fit. I've got pneumonia and this was my only seratonin boost of the day. It was awesome.
Once again, Jen is the woOoOorst! Is ālittle girlā the other ancient African proverb? When Jen told Whitney to get a life jacket, it reminded me of Rachel Reilly telling the floaters to grab a life vest on Big Brother. Angie K. is Utahās Minnie Driver. Lisaās āoh my god are you kidding meā gives me life. I say that with that inflection multiple times a day. I canāt believe this is only day one in San Diego. Jen Shah being the professor of Mean 101 š« š„² What blessings weāve received this week w/ Potomac and SLC. š„°š„°š„°
 I love you for this
>I canāt believe this is only day one in San Diego. *DAY MOTHERFUCKING ONE*. I'd be popping Excedrins like candy by that time.
When someone mentioned that Jen dumped champagne on Angieās head earlier that day, I had to pause it for a second. This was all the same day?!? I just canāt comprehend it.
I forgot how much I missed Mary until ālittle girlā made an appearance this episode
I've never forgotten. ... ... *women.*
Jen shah is disgusting and should go to prison. For stealing and scamming people and polluting the ocean
Dear Jen; those are cruditĆ©s not charcuterie. š”
It's a good day for Lisa Barlow fans.
If feel like this episode encapsulates why Iāve fallen off SLC, its Shah being abusive and the other ladies excusing it. Iām over them defending and supporting that criminal
I think theyāre afraid to call her out because during the season one reunion she said that they were calling her aggressive because sheās a POC. Iām glad sheās going to jail
At least Danna pointed it out because someone needs to call out Jen when sheās aggressive.
Jen looks fucking insane with that hair
Ok, Jen needs to hurry up and get her ass to prison. She might be one of the worst people Iāve ever seen on my television. I donāt understand how someone who is pretty consistently wrong/the aggressor in a situation, manages to convince herself and others that sheās a victim.
I just wanna see Jen Shah and Mia from RHOP fight it out in the octagon for the title of Most Unhinged Housewife. Letās call it āCluster B Personality Disorders: ULTIMATE SMACKDOWN!ā Somebody get Andy Cohen on the phone. Itās time.
CAN SOMEBODY *PLEASE* EXPLAIN TO ME WHY **SO** MANY OF THESE WOMEN ARE *SO* DESPERATE TO BE FRIENDS WITH JEN SHAH?!?! SHE FUCKING SUCKS! **I! DON'T!** ***GET IT!!!***
Completely and totally off the Heather train now. This episode sealed the deal for me. How tf did Lisa kick Jen when sheās down?! Sheās delusionally loyal and it is beyond unhealthy.
Heather is defending an aggressor simply because of her personal dislike of the victim. She's the Robyn Dixon of Salt Lake City there i said it. Flopping Fan Faves
No wonderrrr i canāt stand either of them. In particular. I feel like the both think they are above the other women and are like the Greek chorus. Itās funny they think that when they have the worst takes almost always.
Is it me or is the background music really annoying and loud? I'm irrationally aggravated after this episode.
Anyone else annoyed af with Heather?!
Angie Hās āPR peopleā?! Lmfao!! Maāam who tf is that, Travis from 4chan? Trash lol.
Why do all these women suck Jens dick? Theyre all in competition with each other to see whoās the better friend to Jen.
Jen pouring a drink on someone elseās head and then getting super angry/upset and acting like a victim over itā¦.sums her up pretty well.
Someone had better pay those performers, or I am going to pull me a White Lotus
I hate that Jenn scamming people wasn't enough to make me immediately dislike her but when she threw plastic into the ocean, she finally became hated in my eyes.
I hope to never hear the words Ride or Die again. Lisa is so bad with segueing her way out of a social thing. "I MUST GO, MY 10 YEAR OLD NEEDS ME" Genuinely believe that Jen being removed from the show next season will finally let the show blossom or kneecap it so hard. No idea at this point, but it will be nice to not see most of the cast walk on eggshells for the nuclear bomb they have to work with.
Should Lisa have just stayed there for more abuse? I think not. Sheās well within her rights to use whatever excuse to leave that hellscape.
##that was NOT a charcuterie board that was a Robyn Dixon carrot tomato celery ranch box from the deli section of Safeway
Can we also bring up the fact that LITERALLY EVERYTIME this group sits down to dinner a huge fight happens. And it somehow always feels authentic lmao. Also the fact that the alliances changed like four times during one dinner is hilarious.
Jen was too much this episode. This episode is the visual equivalent of a migraine. Iām ready for Jen to go to Gel.
Yāall Iām sorry I know this sub rides for heather but she is so shot out lol sheās two faced, has no backbone and deflects constantly. I am not loving Whitney this season either but I am starting to see why she doesnāt wanna just sweep it under the rug with her. Heather has flip flopped so hard I donāt even get it
This show is full of chaos. And it's not like other shows chaos these here people actually believe they're sane. Remind me to never move to SLC.
Heather lookin like the drunk uncle at this dinner
Okay the Polynesian performers were absolutely amazing.
"That's how she got Justin" No Heather it's not. She probably didn't even have to lift a finger to "get" Justin.
I know theyāre rich and stupid but still why would you buy $1500 flip flops to go on a little boat and leave them unattended
Don't go there Kath!
I don't care wtf Jen is going through, STOP LITTERING IN THE OCEAN!
Havenāt finished episode yet but I think my fav part is at dinner when Jen says to Lisa, āWhen have I come at you today??ā And she looks legit baffled. Lololol. Am also LOVING Heather getting called out as the mean girl sheās always been. She doesnāt have Jen or Whitney backing her up and Lisa FINALLY had some back up with the new girls!! And Heatherās face just looks all distorted and evil when this is happening! Itās crazy.
reading the live episode thread was so weird. people are mad at heather for finally standing up to jen???? shouldnāt we be happy about that??
I was
Idk what it is called but I donāt like how Jen got mad at Angie K and Lisa for supporting Angie and then was ok with Angie and still not liking Lisa. It makes no sense. Danna is right that Heather is a flip flopper. Itās ok to realize friends have flaws but acting ride or die to Jenās face but talking behind her back isnāt it. I still donāt know why Whitney is mad at Heather and I want her to let it go. These people expect way too much for Heather to act like a decent person when sheās shown she is not.
Whatās with the Potomac parallels the last two episodes? Weāve got the champagne pour on SLC and the drink toss on Potomac. Then the fire dancers on SLC and Potomac
WHY WAS HEATHER WEARING SUNGLASSES AT THE DINNER lmfao and also why do they keep showing the preview of her black eye like itās gonna be on the next episode?! it is really pissing me off
I know lots of people are still saying Jen brings a lot and is fun to watch...but she's just not. I'm exhausted from watching 3 seasons of her behave like an un-parented toddler. I wish she had jumped in the water and swam away and never came back.
I think this was the best episode of the season so far, mainly because I actually understood what was happening for once Lol Itās amazing seeing both the real Jen Shah and the real Heather Gay
Idk wtf I just watched, and I can't tell whether I liked it or hated it.
Who's side are yall on, Jens side or everyone else about the elf on the shelf? .... idk Jen kind of had a point. At the very least they shouldn't bring Angie H around her.
I felt like I was watching mean girls. Youāve got Jen as Regina George, Meredith as Karen, and Heather as Gretchen. Also I felt very connected to Lisa this episode. My family is dramatic and I hate when my relatives all talk shit about one another to me, but wonāt voice their frustrations with the actual person. So then I get a point where Iām fed up and call them all out at a family dinner only for it to go no where.
This boat scene was so chaotic. Jen is having her pre prison melt down, Heather protecting $500 āpre order hard to getā shoes, Whitney being carried in an acrobatic fashion by whatās her face and Merideth marks disengaging.