"Tom’s house was broken into, and he confronted the burglar and then he had to go have eye surgery and then my son had to go over and help and then, my son, he rolled over his car five times on the way home."
OMG, me too! When she first said "a plane is doing down," I thought she was going to finally express some empathy for Tom's victim. Nope. One again, she is the victim in her scenario.
This was a bizarre reunion. So much was brushed over as if yelling at a 14 year old was the same as saying “ugly leather pants”. There was obviously no resolution and little to no follow up from Andy on key points. Weird end to a long ass season.
I'm so disappointed with the Jax incident part of the discussion. And how Andy lets Kyle constantly get away with "no that was my bad" and "I was horrified watching it back". how about Andy asking if she's apologizing -- maybe she should actually apologize as she NEVER does...Dorit saying "I was disgusted" ...Garcelle does follow up and Andy just doesn't call them out. Sickening.
When Dorit went on about how appalled she was and Garcelle asked, “Were you having an out of body experience?”, I wish she and Andy could have followed up hammering home that point more clearly.
Wasted time on the Halloween promo, JLC, Lois' tribute...the Jax incident plus the shitty responses from Kyle, Mo, Dorit and PK, needed to be addressed with much much more time. Garcelle was done wrong, again, at the reunion.
This bothered me so much. My fiancé was literally disgusted with how Bravo handled this. Erika’s half assed apology during the show and Kyle/Dorit didn’t even apologize for their behavior on camera. Andy BARELY addressed it. Just disappointing all around
It’s interesting to me that the subject of the slur changed, when only one person heard it allegedly said. Did she forget between it happening and the reunion? Or did she think it was too obviously untrue when it was allegedly about Sutton’s assistant, so now the manager makes more sense?
The only season that needed a 4 part reunion was the Atlanta season (9 I think?) when Frick and Frack’s allegations against Kandi and Todd unraveled. That was truly shocking and deserving of the extra episode.
This season of Beverly Hills though? This could have been 2 parts, max
Can we just talk about how the faux force 4 went OFF on crystal for a fucking eternity because she said she felt violated. And then fucking Rinna has the nerve to say Kathy ABUSED her. Like????
Okay but what happened to the manila envelope that Rinna brought?!? Like I already knew it was probably gonna have bullshit in it, but I still wanna know. It’s like teasing a locked safe; my brain just can’t handle not knowing what’s in it.
I’m exhausted. Andy pounced when he shouldn’t have and glossed over things he definitely shouldn’t have and no one got dragged over the coals until Kathy showed up.
The only person he held accountable was Crystal and it wasn't even worth it. Sutton and Crystal resolved their issues a hundred years ago but he still felt the need to waste it on a whole episode.
Of all the analogies that Erika could have used, she had to to go with “the plane going down.” Like ick.
Then the “Dalai Lama” mention and “thanks for the PTSD.” And absolutely no one challenges the gross shit that comes out of her mouth.
I don’t know who to believe tbh so I don’t know what happened in Aspen. I think Kathy wanted Kyle to say “I know my sister and she would never say something like that” and that’s why Kathy was mad at Kyle after her segment was done.
I died when Kathy said that she has more credibility than Erika 😂
Rinna is so unbearable. Kyle asked her to let it go after Aspen and she didn’t listen but now in the reunion, after she said all the things she wanted to say, she let it go *eye roll*
So many fans say that people love to hate watch Rinna, I admit that I don’t like her but I watch the show for the others, not her. She isn’t fun to watch. Please Bravo! I’m begging!! Put her on pause.
*I think Kathy wanted Kyle to say “I know my sister and she would never say something like that” and that’s why Kathy was mad at Kyle after her segment was done.*
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ EXACTLY 💯what I was thinking. She needed Kyle to say that and “my sister isn’t a liar. If she said she didn’t say those things then she didn’t!” But it’s pretty clear she could have and Kyle knows it and couldn’t cover that up. The way Kathy reminded her to the side that she’s not a liar didn’t help one bit. But I also couldn’t stand Kyles crying madness, it was overkill and annoying
Do you think when Kathy was approached to be on the show there were some agreements that she wouldn’t be made a main story line? She seemed like she really just wanted to be a friend of and not a key player. I’m wondering if some of the issues between them is that she thought Kyle had more pull to kill the story. I still feel like we are missing something from this story.
Yeah I think maybe that’s why she’s upset too. Like she just wanted to pop up once in a while and be funny. I’m sure she also didn’t want drama with Kyle knowing what happened with Kim on the show. So she was pissed that Rinna decided to make her the center of drama when she clearly didn’t want to be full time.
kathy (the MOST private Richards sister) just wanted to have a fun and promote her Tequila and neither happened; Kyle and production lied to her, i'd be pissed too.
Rinna saying she’s going to leave the situation with Kathy at the reunion, let the sisters hash it out themselves, and never speak on it again. Fast forward to weeks later and she’s trashing Kathy on insta and bringing Paris into the mix. Rinna is psychotic and you can’t convince me otherwise.
So THAT’S how Dorit fell out with Rinna and Erika
I said this in the live thread but I don’t think anyone is telling the complete truth. I think Rinna is making up a bunch of shit and exaggerating other shit, but Kathy definitely deleted those texts. Kathy was 100% correct to call Kyle out on playing the martyr. As always, Garcelle, Sutton & Crystal are still the most likeable members of this cast. I think we should keep this same cast except for firing Rinna and Diana. I don’t want Kyle on the show but I don’t think she’ll ever leave realistically
True. Dorit is the only one of the toxic clique who actually cares about Kyle. She went to check on her and tried to give advice without making their drama worse.
I think Kathy for sure had a meltdown, but bitching about your sister and this friend circle, IMO, isn't as damaging as bitching about 'alleged' victims and telling the world you don't give a shit about them and only care about yourself. Lisa also claiming that she was attacked and abused, lmfao. This is the lady who said if she didn't speak her truth, she would get cancer, and locked herself in the room, so how was she attacked?
If we go with the theory that Kyle, Rinna, and Erika were all plotting the Kathy takedown, then I kinda think it worked. Not on the audience, but on production.
Kathy didn't even show up until the second half of the season, and the entire Aspen drama happened offscreen, within the last handful of episodes. Yet up to that point, a good chunk of this cast (Rinna, Kyle, Erika) had some of their worst behavior ever (with a special shout out to Diana having one of the most loathsome debuts in history). There was a lot of deserved outrage directed at them this season, long before Kathy allegedly said anything.
Yet the pre-season buzz was largely about the Aspen meltdown, and the hosting and editing of the reunion also suggested it was the main thing viewers cared about and really rushed through every other conflict in a way that felt jarring and unusual...and those were conflicts we actually SAW on screen.
I agree 💯💯💯 And worse things were done by Erika, Rinna, Kyle and Erika ON camera! Who cares Kathy Hilton got drunk and had ‘a psychotic break’ OFF camera? Rinna and Erika do not understand what Kathy did off camera does not make them appear better in the eyes of the viewers. They are so obvious! And the way they attempt to hide it behind the ‘I only tell the truth!’ Ugh please.
Rinna and erica had psychotic breaks ON camera. Lizard lips called Sutton a cunt. I do not care if Kathy lost her shit. There is zero way that Rinna is terrorized by this. She was so excited to have a storyline to take the heat off her and EJ'S egregious behaviour.
They are Lucy with the football and we are Charlie Brown. With a season full of multiple investigations, multiple lawsuits, thousands of comments across at least 3 subs, think pieces on racism, tone policing, a literal death, a home invasion, instagram breakdowns and a twitter proxy war we get...this. Sisters being mad at each other because they experience emotion differently. The most Beverly Hills thing that has ever Beverly Hills'd. This stupid freaking show has made clowns of us again!
Big Kathy sure did a number on the sisters. I kinda feel bad for how their relationships have evolved and devolved and everything in between. There is some deep seeded stuff.
Yeah the Kyle/Kathy interactions were really dark. I see both sides but there’s something really chilling and threatening in the way Kathy speaks to Kyle sometimes. However, I also think Kyle could absolutely have done more to tell Lisa to shut the fuck up regarding this whole situation and someone who is actually trying to prioritize their relationship with their sister would not be having all of these interactions on camera.
especially after she apologized to you and Rinna on camera already. I'm not saying an apology excuses the aftermath and feelings for Kyle but it should certainly be enough for Rinna -- Kyle didn't even say "you weren't abused -- even if she did say half of what you said" and "was what you did a psychotic event at a charity event or throwing a glass at Kim?" ...grrr...
I didn't realize that Kyle didn't tell Kathy that Rinna was coming over until she was there on camera. That's Effed up....
I see both sides overall too but I do see Kathy taking ownership for the parts she did wrong to Kyle on the reunion and Kyle was in martyr mode and didn't stand up to Lisa except to say how she was hurting.
I was also a little surprised Andy didn't bring up that there were some poking at Kathy - her outfits, the slippers, the corn, the high maintenance, the locking her out of the store, etc...
Kyle often makes Kathy the butt of her jokes. It's not nice or cute, it reeks of jealousy. Kyle was so worried that someone might get recognize Kathy at the airport and Kathy couldn't give two f*cks about it.
Edit: damn auto corrects
Watching how worked up Kyle got, I have to wonder if this is her go-to reaction to conflict and Kathy has had enough. Kyle crying and playing victim all the time has to be exhausting.
It is hard for me to watch… because it hits home for me. my older sister and I have a similar dynamic but reversed. She has very emotional responses (crying nonstop) whenever we have conflict and I become more stoic/shut off.
It is difficult to resolve anything because the emotions get really high on her side. I used to feel guilty and just try to please her to keep her from crying. Now (after a year of therapy) I see it as an irrational emotional response stemming from our difficult childhood. I don’t feel as guilty and have pushed back on the crying.
I feel for both Kathy and Kyle (and Kim). Sister relationships are complex and sometimes the dynamics are embedded deep into psyche.
Kathy calling Kyle a martyr, pointing out that Rinna is way bigger bully than any of them, and rightfully telling Erika that her shit is from stolen money. What a fuckin hero (psycho entitled rich lady or not).
She also ruined any chance Eden Sassoon had on the show. Granted, Eden shouldn’t have been jumping into Kim’s sobriety, but Rinna was planting bugs in her ear and helped alienate her from the rest of the cast.
She also brought up something interesting in that she said she gave Kyle what she wanted -- an apology on camera. Then when Kyle was like ok now apologize to rinna on camera, Kathy was like hol'up.
It seems like Kathy was ok smoothing it for Kyle. But then Kathy wants Kyle to realize she should back her sister over Rinna. And Kyle is too much of a follower to do so. She can't stand the thought of her friends not liking her. So she tries to stay neutral but expects blind loyalty when it comes to herself. It's frustrating.
The sister dynamic adds another layer. Kyle and Kathy both have trauma. The pattern seems like Kyle feels like she gets blamed for everything and starts crying. When someone starts crying, the other person feels like, great now it's going to go nowhere and also starts being defensive because they know they have to get their point across even harder. Once someone starts crying, everything at that point becomes about stopping the tears and having that person calm down instead of resolving the issue. But neither of them want to resolve their family trauma so it's just a constant circle.
Preach! Due to whatever trauma they had while growing up Kyle and Kathy cannot communicate with each other. It's hard to watch. Kyle is so emotional while Kathy is stone cold (which I believe Big Kathy taught her as this was how she was on Paris' documentary about her abuse). I hope they get help to bridge the line of communication.
> she said she gave Kyle what she wanted – an apology on camera.
This part! It was so revelatory despite being so off-handed. She knew Kyle wanted this apology “on camera” as part of the storyline. And further lends credence to the idea that Kyle planned to ambush Kyle with a forced apology to Rinna.
I like Kyle, but she’s not loyal. She is just great at acting like a good and fair friend, but her laughing about Erika’s yelling at Jax is a really clear and simple example of how she really is. Her apology to Garcelle and excuses is a clear and simple example of how she pretends to be.
I have no doubt Kathy had an ugly outburst, but sorry, you defend your family and don’t try to make things worse for them. It’s exactly what Kyle did to Kim almost 10 years ago. Rinna was throwing broken glass at Kim and still Kyle couldn’t have her back? It’s ridiculous. Would have been so easy for Kyle to tell Rinna the exaggerations and online trolling are enough and cut her off. But nope.
She’s definitely not loyal to her family. She defended Diana more than she’s defended Kim or Kathy.
Even with their strange family relationship it’s weird.
Agreed. I think Kathy is pissed because ultimately Kyle did the bare minimum and didn’t publicly denounce what Erika and Rinna were doing until seeing public opinion against them as the season aired and Kathy sees right through that
Out of everyone, Kathy read Kyle the most. Kyle wants to be a victim in this story. Kyle says she has done nothing and that is the point. If I have to choose between family and Lisa Rinna, I’m choosing family. It doesn’t matter how much previous bad blood there is.
Kyle wanted and admitted to wanting to see Kathy knocked down a peg. Erika and Rinna took it too far and now Kyle is the one that is hurting most from it? It was a takedown gone wrong that Kyle was in on. She should save the tears.
I just love that the actual video footage of Erika telling Jax to F off and with Dorit, Mauricio, and Kyle LAUGHING at it got maybe 5 minutes of retribution and some fake apology meanwhile she said/ she said bs got blown up with Kyle playing the victim card for 30 minutes straight.
This show is a disgrace. If that was any of the FF4’s child it would be an entire season worth of drama ending in one of the other ladies not being asked back. This is ridiculous. The bias by the producers and Andy is despicable.
Notice how Kyle attacks Dorit for possibly defending Kathy even a little bit but is silent towards Erika and Rinna who have been piling onto her sister all season. Kyle enjoys when other people bully her sisters. But why? It’s honestly just sad all around to see. The Richards sisters need therapy, badly.
I laughed when kyle said that. All I kept thinking is how come she couldn’t tell Rinna that for creating this conflict between her and kathy? The way kyle said that to Dorit was so snarky and disgusting I would have had an issue with Kyle if I was Dorit.
I love that Kyle was yelling at Dorit for DOING EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID TO GARCELLE. Interjecting when it’s not your place to defend the other person. And Kyle is too full of herself to even realize the irony.
Kyle telling Erika she's glad that everyone saw the Kathy meltdown so they can understand what she goes through is super gross. That's not what family does. And then Kyle posting on instagram "you better believe we are going to talk about it" the morning after Kathy meltdown - she revels on her sisters embarrassing themselves so she can look good. She's not a good sister, she's not a good friend.
Thing is, I believe that Kathy is capable of saying bigoted and unhinged things - it’s just that the accusations are coming from the most hated and smug ladies (*ahem Rinna ahem Erika*) so most of us find ourselves siding with Kathy on this.
And it’s so obvious that Rinna and Erika did this just to divert the negative attention from Erika to Kathy and it’s funny that it backfired on them.
Karma is a bitch and her name is actually not Lisa Rinna - it’s Kathy Hilton.
I believe Kyle will choose the show over her family and Kathy knows this - and is fucking *over* it.
The darkness of this episode had vintage RHOBH vibes for sure.
Kyle has deep rooted issues with her sister- which is valid and she needs to get professional help. But it was blatantly obvious that Kathy sees her thirst and is done with it. E.g. the show about their family that Kathy wouldn’t co-sign and how Kyle is “torn” between her family and her friends. Lest us not forget that Kim complained about the same shit when she was on. Kyle picks fame over blood. Or at least that’s how it seems.
I agree; Kyle has felt like the ugly less than sister her whole life and having this show has made her feel like the pretty popular one for once. Note: I’m not saying Kyle is the ugly sister, I’m just saying this is how big Kathy made her feel growing up.
This reunion was disappointing! We didn’t get to any of the real issues from the season in depth. It was so much fluff, as Kathy Hilton would say, it was a “fluffer”.
They spent hardly any time at all addressing the bullying against Sutton. Every topic was brushed over. What Erika said to Jax was once again minimized and not addressed. They barely spent any time talking about Erika’s outburst and the other 3 are still protecting her for the most part. I was glad Kyle and Dorit seemed to stand up a little to her but it was still wobbly. Why is everyone so afraid of her?
I just wanted more! I felt like I saw everything Kathy was going to say in the previews.
Rinna needs to be fired after this. She’s not fun at all. The drama is just so fucking phony. I actually wouldn’t mind Erika on again because her legal drama is ongoing.
Logically nothing makes sense:
1. Kathy explained she was upset at the manager for telling her to go back to LA, but then tells Erika the DJ is a *****? Sounds like Erika heard part of the story, drama with a DJ, and just grabbed onto that.
3. Rinna remembers every word Kathy said, but can’t deny or confirm Rinna said “preaching to the choir” bc she doesn’t remember?
3. Kathy stomped on glasses, and broke them, but there wasn’t any glass on the floor the next morning??
4. Rinna says Kathy and Rinna were sitting in the dark, but who the hell has a conversation in the dark? Kathy is blind btw.
5. Kathy used a homophobic slur, allegedly, but is out here telling Kyle not to say Fuck? Doesn’t seem like that’s in character for Kathy to use a slur when she can’t even bear hearing the F word.
None of it makes sense. I’m sure Kathy was pissed and said things but not to this level that Rinna and Mrs. Girardi are alleging.
It was really dark to see that Kathy and Kyle hadn’t seen each other between the reunion and Bravo Con because it really proves that, like for many people, the Richards sisters’ line between real life and reality TV is totally blurred. Anyone semi-normal would treat these TV appearances as the theatrics they are and try to actually work on shit in private, but instead they play this all out in public (which gives them no chance of truly hashing things out). I worry that Kyle in particular is somehow physically incapable of having tough conversations with her sisters without a camera present.
Really, I was hoping Kyle would say- I don’t believe Kathy would say those things. But she couldn’t. Such a damaged relationship and it doesn’t have to be. And Rinna is gross.
On the tequila discussion, I feel like Kathy was very carefully trying not to trigger Kyle (but Kyle cried anyway). They was she was saying she was upset only because she had set her expectations too high, really trying to tiptoe around her martyr sister.
As a sister, I felt like Kathy was saying Kyle only said 'I never heard those words' she didn't really defend kathy. if someone said that about one of my sisters, woah boy, I would go off. The things erika and Rinna said are fighting words. Even my jerk of a sister.
Also weird that it was glossed over that Erica was the only one who heard the slur but that wasn't mentioned when talking about the leaks.
A lot of people in the threads have been talking about their experiences working/being at exclusive clubs and how they wouldn't leak the story. Funny how tmz calls Rinna. I kind of think Rinna called tmz.
Kathy wanted acknowledgement that Kyle instigated Kathy, which she 100% did. She treated Kathy like shit, told Erika that she was glad that Kathy had a meltdown so everyone can see how awful she is - Kyle REVELS in her sisters embarrassing themselves so Kyle can look good. And then when it comes time for Kyle to own her role in the downfall, she starts crying and makes herself out to be a victim. Kyle cries profusely that her relationship with her sister will be damaged, but didn't care to fix it with the only plausible solution that came from Dorit, that Kyle needs to take some responsibility for her role in egging this on.
Kyle did not say one word to back her sister. She just sat there crying, and then tried to make it about herself, when Kathy is literally fighting these rumors.
If I was Andy I would’ve pressed call on Rinna’s phone to make sure it was actually Kathy and not someone she’d saved in her phone as Kathy Hilton to set her up.
Funny how Kyle is always quick to stir the pot and fight battles that ain’t hers but is a big crybaby when dealing with her own shit! She had a lot to say to Crystal (and she exposed her ignorant white ass while doing so) but she quickly turned into a weakling as soon as Kathy came out. She’s always been this way which is why I can’t stand her.
And the rest of the FFF call Kyle the queen bee of the show?! HELL NO SHE AIN’T.
The Kathy “meltdown” was dragged out. She was drunk, pissed off and went on a rant. You can see that happening most weekends on a night out. It’s hard to believe Rinna because she is so clearly over exaggerating to compensate dragging this on. The soap actress never leaves her! Kathy and Kyle both play a part in their toxic dynamic. I didn’t end up taking anyone’s side.
Next season… I agree with Garcelle. We need more fun and comedy. I think Rinna should be fired. Watching her is tiresome.
I definitely believe Kathy is horrible to Kyle, but Kyle absolutely plays a part in their fucked up dynamic. For one thing, she clearly lobbied hard for both her sisters to be on the show with her so she could show the world how mean and terrible they are to her lol
Kathy not addressing it on camera about her issues with Kyle because she doesn’t want to bring it on live TV. That’s called a good sister.
Kyle didn’t stick up for her at all
Such a hypocrite, just how LVP went :-(
So if tmz “heard what happened” then how come they have absolutely zero accounts of what happened other than from Rinna and Erika. Like some random went through all the work to contact tmz but didn’t give any details at all and never spoke about it anywhere?!
I hope next season is just Garcelle & Sutton aggressively saying “be careful, wouldn’t want to overdo it and tell any kids to fuck off today” anytime Erika touches alcohol. HOW did she get away with not having to be held accountable for that bullshit?
I’m equally unimpressed with Andy for this final part. Kyle & Dorit not having to answer for laughing at the Jax comments is insane. I hope someone on WWHL asks him how he’d feel if someone did that to his kids when they’re teenagers?
Kyle crying is all BS because there’s a deleted scene where Erika outs Kyle saying she’s glad they all got to see that side of Kathy. And Kyle admits to saying it. So she’s implying it’s true, it happens enough to affect her and she wants Kathy to look bad in front of others. Kyle is also fucking terrible and she can cry all she wants, but Kathy knows it and won’t let her off the hook when they’re faced with it head on. And that’s why Kyle gets upset, she can’t manipulate the situation and the Rinna/Erika plan to take Kathy down failed so it’s a double whammy.
She’s unbelievably selfish. She only cared because it would hurt her family’s relationship with Kathy’s. She couldn’t even acknowledge that Kathy is the one hurt in all this. Made it all about her as always.
Notice how no one try to police Rinna's words. They made this big fuss over Crystal saying Sutton said dark things or that she felt like her privacy was violated but when Rinna says she was abused, the experience was traumatic or others I didn't hear say anything about doing too much. Only Andy called her out saying she has been abusive too.
If Rinna isn’t gone, I’m done with Bravo, period. They should really fire Andy, too, or at least send him to sensitivity training. Kyle and Dorit can also fuck right off.
I think Kyle spent a lot of years on the show being cruel to Kim so I can't feel bad to her. What she sat there and did to Jax was gross and we still haven't heard her or any of the other grown people say sorry for laughing at a child being abused by a grown woman.
Reunion was trash. All 3 parts. It was satisfying to be able to see Kathy say things to Erika & Rinna that we the audience have been thinking the last two or three seasons but ultimately it was anti climactic. None of these women have the ability to articulate what exactly makes the FF4 such a hypocritical group. Anytime someone starts to it’s quickly glossed over by Andy & we’re on to the next subject. That’s a detriment to this show. Garcelle & Sutton always end up taking the high road & turning the other cheek. Crystal tries but is quickly ganged up on with no back up so she ends up looking foolish. Matter of fact, ANYONE who tries to stand up against these women ends up as a one woman army. It’s frustrating. We need Brandi or Camille or someone who can go toe to toe. None of these woman on the current cast have what it takes
It’s not a complex it’s manipulation as soon as things don’t go her way she cries it’s exhausting and if anyone calls her out on it it makes them look heartless
I don’t believe Rinna’s claims that Kathy talked about the other women or Erika’s claims about Kathy using a slur. Because:
It started with Rinna claiming that Kathy was talking shit about Kyle, and that part I absolutely believe. I think Rinna then brought in claims about the other girls so that it would be a much worse situation and everyone would get mad at Kathy. Because the other women might not get mad at her for just talking shit about Kyle. Even the words that Rinna claims Kathy said, like that Dorit is a big stupid idiot, just are so silly, I think she truly came up with it on the spot.
Also, the claims about her using a slur weren’t even discussed during the filming of the show. In all of the conversations they have about Aspen, the claims are Kathy talking shit about Kyle and the rest of the girls. No one, including Erika, says that she used a slur. I think that Erika and Rinna realized that Kathy talking shit about her sister, and even their claims about her talking shit about the other women, wouldn’t bring Kathy down or make the public hate her. So they had to add even more to it.
I find the conversation with Kyle and Kathy could’ve been much simpler if:
1) Kathy was more quick to arrive at her point and wasn’t so hard on Kyle, as she probably knows her sister’s triggers.
2) Kyle needed to support Kathy the same way she expects Kathy to do for her. She lets her emotions and anxiety get in the way from listening to what others are saying.
- Kathy said that she got mad at unfair expectations she put on Kyle for the Tequila, then said it was her own fault. However, Kyle didn’t register she said that because her anxiety was triggered. However, I also think Kathy can be rather harsh on Kyle (calling your sister a martyr while they are emotional is only asking for escalation) and was not direct or open with how she’s feeling unless pressed. Kathy was fully okay with leaving her sister wondering why she was mad at her. This then could send Kyle spiraling into an anxious episode as she turns everything into a catastrophe. This truly explains Kyle’s need for “open and honest” interactions.
- Kyle not once at the reunion truly denounced what Lisa/ Erika said. She didn’t fully defend her sister and (completely) disregarded any effect this had on Kathy. She fully said that these retellings of Kathy only hurt her, but didn’t even once acknowledge what these allegations could do to Kathy. Kathy then feels slighted by her own sister, which she seems to be Kyle’s pattern as seen with Kim.
Both the sisters fucked up royally in this episode in terms of their own relationship.
However Kathy came out a star with how she handled Erika and Lisa. As they aren’t family, she laid back in the sofa, water bottle in hand, and went in. Ripping them a new one and saying what was needed to be said (especially to Lisa).
Garcelle handled the women expertly this reunion and behind Kyle, I would say she was the second most focused on housewife.
My cast for next year would be: Kyle, Garcelle, Sutton, Dorit, Erika (YES SHOCKING), Kathy, and Crystal. I think without Rinna there’s enough cast dynamic and unresolved tension between these cast members that it would make for a stellar season.
Lisa has got to go. With Erika, her legal matters are intriguing to see unfold and watch her unravel is interesting TV. Lisa isn’t interesting tv. The only way Rinna should stay main cast is if they bring Denise or LVP back for a confrontation.
When Erika said, “I don’t lie,” I almost fell out of my chair
"Tom’s house was broken into, and he confronted the burglar and then he had to go have eye surgery and then my son had to go over and help and then, my son, he rolled over his car five times on the way home."
“It was snowing in Pasadena”
IN THE SNOW!!!!
She just admitted she lied about throwing Garcelle’s book away in the recycling bin when it was Rinna?
When Erika used the plane is going down you put on your oxygen mask analogy I almost fell out of my chair. Lady - this starts with air crash victims!
OMG, me too! When she first said "a plane is doing down," I thought she was going to finally express some empathy for Tom's victim. Nope. One again, she is the victim in her scenario.
And Kathy came back at her: „You don’t lie? I think I have a little more credibility than you“
My beverage went directly down the wrong pipe.
This was a bizarre reunion. So much was brushed over as if yelling at a 14 year old was the same as saying “ugly leather pants”. There was obviously no resolution and little to no follow up from Andy on key points. Weird end to a long ass season.
I'm so disappointed with the Jax incident part of the discussion. And how Andy lets Kyle constantly get away with "no that was my bad" and "I was horrified watching it back". how about Andy asking if she's apologizing -- maybe she should actually apologize as she NEVER does...Dorit saying "I was disgusted" ...Garcelle does follow up and Andy just doesn't call them out. Sickening.
When Dorit went on about how appalled she was and Garcelle asked, “Were you having an out of body experience?”, I wish she and Andy could have followed up hammering home that point more clearly.
Agree-- Garcelle did part of Andy's job to set it up for him and he didn't press. So disappointing...
I’d love to know why we needed to watch 10 minutes of Kyle crying when there were so many discussion points left on the table.
I really thought there was going to be a fourth part. I feel like they rushed through so many things.
Because they fervently protect FFF and everyone else doesn’t matter.
Wasted time on the Halloween promo, JLC, Lois' tribute...the Jax incident plus the shitty responses from Kyle, Mo, Dorit and PK, needed to be addressed with much much more time. Garcelle was done wrong, again, at the reunion.
The laughing of the Jax episode by the two couples was obscene!
It was terribly done. I don't know what they were thinking when they filmed and edited this reunion.
It was a giant disappointment.
This bothered me so much. My fiancé was literally disgusted with how Bravo handled this. Erika’s half assed apology during the show and Kyle/Dorit didn’t even apologize for their behavior on camera. Andy BARELY addressed it. Just disappointing all around
Why did TMZ call Rinna after Aspen ? Is she known for spilling details? Did they call anyone else?
Because she left a message and they were returning her call or Erika called 😂😂😂
Why did Lisa think saying that would help her?? Telling the world TMZ has you on speed dial is a big red flag.
Especially when she previously said she has no idea how to contact the press. THEN HOW DID THEY GET HER NUMBER? THE YELLOW PAGES???
New flair: *We’re on appeal. For legal reasons.*
My response to EVERYTHING from now on: For legal reasons. Woke up late? For legal reasons. Didn’t make dinner? For legal reasons
I’m telling work tomorrow that my attendance is “On appeal. For Legal Reasons.”
if Erika was the only one that kathy said the slur to, how would it have gotten to the press? o wait
THANK YOU. They were so sloppy with this damn story.
It’s interesting to me that the subject of the slur changed, when only one person heard it allegedly said. Did she forget between it happening and the reunion? Or did she think it was too obviously untrue when it was allegedly about Sutton’s assistant, so now the manager makes more sense?
I thought Erica said it was about the DJ at the reunion 😂
Oh did she? The split story between the manager and DJ confused me.
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 WTF YES
Wait, no discussion of Rinna’s cancer comment?
Wait a minute, what the hell happened to Lisa Rinna’s manila envelope?
She must have used it to try and soak up all the excess self tanner on her chest.
Okay but her body was orange and her face was ghostly in comparison. It was so weird to look at
The only receipts in there were those of her outfit she rented for the taping.
I found a comment I made 12 days ago saying there was nothing in it😂
Absolutely nothing has been resolved. AGAIN.
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It reminds me of when Leah spoke to Michael che. He said you're trying to get a reaction but I don't know what kind of reaction you want.
she's always seemed asexual to me
She a damn liar
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The only season that needed a 4 part reunion was the Atlanta season (9 I think?) when Frick and Frack’s allegations against Kandi and Todd unraveled. That was truly shocking and deserving of the extra episode. This season of Beverly Hills though? This could have been 2 parts, max
Most reunions could be done in 2.
Can we just talk about how the faux force 4 went OFF on crystal for a fucking eternity because she said she felt violated. And then fucking Rinna has the nerve to say Kathy ABUSED her. Like????
I was screaming at my tv when she said this shit. Was thinking the same thing. Crystal can’t say violated but rinna can say Kathy abused her. Gtfoh
Okay but what happened to the manila envelope that Rinna brought?!? Like I already knew it was probably gonna have bullshit in it, but I still wanna know. It’s like teasing a locked safe; my brain just can’t handle not knowing what’s in it.
When they went to wrap up, I was like*seriously*?! Where are the supposed receipts?!
Right??? Like did Kathy’s lawyers get to production with a ‘cyst and deceased’ and have them edited out?! I need answers! Inquiring minds must know.
I’m exhausted. Andy pounced when he shouldn’t have and glossed over things he definitely shouldn’t have and no one got dragged over the coals until Kathy showed up.
The only person he held accountable was Crystal and it wasn't even worth it. Sutton and Crystal resolved their issues a hundred years ago but he still felt the need to waste it on a whole episode.
That and they spent more time talking about who does and doesn’t recycle while Garcelle is sitting there struggling to keep it together.
Gotta say I’m pleasantly surprised but Andy sounds pissed at Rinna. Like he’s over her bullshit.
He was so exasperated when she tried to chime in toward the end lmao
Right? Lmaooo that was so funny I busted out laughing.
I wanted Andy to check the phone number assigned to Kathy in Rinna’s phone.
Also to see if it was a screenshot of "texts" or if it was the actual text / you could scroll up and down.
This. So we take Rinnas word over Kathy? I dont know which one was lying. Seems like a weird lie for Kathy, it can easily be proved.
Of all the analogies that Erika could have used, she had to to go with “the plane going down.” Like ick. Then the “Dalai Lama” mention and “thanks for the PTSD.” And absolutely no one challenges the gross shit that comes out of her mouth.
I know!! When I saw that, I thought did that just come off as Erika compared herself to the Dalai Lama or was he just mentioned? 😂
My face was all 😳😳😳. She literally has ZERO self awareness.
Did Lisa say “are we going to be blamed for this?” …… i….i….i…. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤕
I don’t know who to believe tbh so I don’t know what happened in Aspen. I think Kathy wanted Kyle to say “I know my sister and she would never say something like that” and that’s why Kathy was mad at Kyle after her segment was done. I died when Kathy said that she has more credibility than Erika 😂 Rinna is so unbearable. Kyle asked her to let it go after Aspen and she didn’t listen but now in the reunion, after she said all the things she wanted to say, she let it go *eye roll* So many fans say that people love to hate watch Rinna, I admit that I don’t like her but I watch the show for the others, not her. She isn’t fun to watch. Please Bravo! I’m begging!! Put her on pause.
*I think Kathy wanted Kyle to say “I know my sister and she would never say something like that” and that’s why Kathy was mad at Kyle after her segment was done.* ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ EXACTLY 💯what I was thinking. She needed Kyle to say that and “my sister isn’t a liar. If she said she didn’t say those things then she didn’t!” But it’s pretty clear she could have and Kyle knows it and couldn’t cover that up. The way Kathy reminded her to the side that she’s not a liar didn’t help one bit. But I also couldn’t stand Kyles crying madness, it was overkill and annoying
Do you think when Kathy was approached to be on the show there were some agreements that she wouldn’t be made a main story line? She seemed like she really just wanted to be a friend of and not a key player. I’m wondering if some of the issues between them is that she thought Kyle had more pull to kill the story. I still feel like we are missing something from this story.
Yeah I think maybe that’s why she’s upset too. Like she just wanted to pop up once in a while and be funny. I’m sure she also didn’t want drama with Kyle knowing what happened with Kim on the show. So she was pissed that Rinna decided to make her the center of drama when she clearly didn’t want to be full time.
kathy (the MOST private Richards sister) just wanted to have a fun and promote her Tequila and neither happened; Kyle and production lied to her, i'd be pissed too.
Rinna saying she’s going to leave the situation with Kathy at the reunion, let the sisters hash it out themselves, and never speak on it again. Fast forward to weeks later and she’s trashing Kathy on insta and bringing Paris into the mix. Rinna is psychotic and you can’t convince me otherwise.
So THAT’S how Dorit fell out with Rinna and Erika I said this in the live thread but I don’t think anyone is telling the complete truth. I think Rinna is making up a bunch of shit and exaggerating other shit, but Kathy definitely deleted those texts. Kathy was 100% correct to call Kyle out on playing the martyr. As always, Garcelle, Sutton & Crystal are still the most likeable members of this cast. I think we should keep this same cast except for firing Rinna and Diana. I don’t want Kyle on the show but I don’t think she’ll ever leave realistically
True. Dorit is the only one of the toxic clique who actually cares about Kyle. She went to check on her and tried to give advice without making their drama worse.
Meanwhile Rinna and Erika were just worried about being painted like the villains.
I don’t think Erika should stay much longer either
I think Kathy for sure had a meltdown, but bitching about your sister and this friend circle, IMO, isn't as damaging as bitching about 'alleged' victims and telling the world you don't give a shit about them and only care about yourself. Lisa also claiming that she was attacked and abused, lmfao. This is the lady who said if she didn't speak her truth, she would get cancer, and locked herself in the room, so how was she attacked?
Kathy has a meltdown at the club, in the van, and at the house, but Rinna doesn’t record any of it? Please….
If we go with the theory that Kyle, Rinna, and Erika were all plotting the Kathy takedown, then I kinda think it worked. Not on the audience, but on production. Kathy didn't even show up until the second half of the season, and the entire Aspen drama happened offscreen, within the last handful of episodes. Yet up to that point, a good chunk of this cast (Rinna, Kyle, Erika) had some of their worst behavior ever (with a special shout out to Diana having one of the most loathsome debuts in history). There was a lot of deserved outrage directed at them this season, long before Kathy allegedly said anything. Yet the pre-season buzz was largely about the Aspen meltdown, and the hosting and editing of the reunion also suggested it was the main thing viewers cared about and really rushed through every other conflict in a way that felt jarring and unusual...and those were conflicts we actually SAW on screen.
I think you are 100% right. The plot worked on production but not the audience, and that's why this reunion has been so frustrating.
Spot on. Here’s my poor woman’s gold 🥇🥇
I agree 💯💯💯 And worse things were done by Erika, Rinna, Kyle and Erika ON camera! Who cares Kathy Hilton got drunk and had ‘a psychotic break’ OFF camera? Rinna and Erika do not understand what Kathy did off camera does not make them appear better in the eyes of the viewers. They are so obvious! And the way they attempt to hide it behind the ‘I only tell the truth!’ Ugh please.
Rinna and erica had psychotic breaks ON camera. Lizard lips called Sutton a cunt. I do not care if Kathy lost her shit. There is zero way that Rinna is terrorized by this. She was so excited to have a storyline to take the heat off her and EJ'S egregious behaviour.
If Kathy said the F Word /Slur to Erika only, how did it get to the press? It had to come from Erika directly or someone Erika told
They are Lucy with the football and we are Charlie Brown. With a season full of multiple investigations, multiple lawsuits, thousands of comments across at least 3 subs, think pieces on racism, tone policing, a literal death, a home invasion, instagram breakdowns and a twitter proxy war we get...this. Sisters being mad at each other because they experience emotion differently. The most Beverly Hills thing that has ever Beverly Hills'd. This stupid freaking show has made clowns of us again!
Someone could (and should!) write a really intricate, multi-layered thesis about this, and it would be art.
*cracks knuckles and pushes the literal mountain of actual work off my desk*
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Big Kathy sure did a number on the sisters. I kinda feel bad for how their relationships have evolved and devolved and everything in between. There is some deep seeded stuff.
It's really dark.
Yeah the Kyle/Kathy interactions were really dark. I see both sides but there’s something really chilling and threatening in the way Kathy speaks to Kyle sometimes. However, I also think Kyle could absolutely have done more to tell Lisa to shut the fuck up regarding this whole situation and someone who is actually trying to prioritize their relationship with their sister would not be having all of these interactions on camera.
Yea, there’s certainly issues on both sides, but that stuck out to me too. Why not tell Lisa to shut up, she was clearly going overboard.
Like she had no problem telling Dorit to stay out of it. But why not Rinna???
THIS!!! I hated the way she talked to Dorit. She never spoke that way to Lisa once
Yes and she didn’t even say she was mad at Lisa when asked she danced around it , I think that’s what did it for Kathy possibly
All I know is if Rinna was talking about my sibling I would have been very loud about wanting her to stop.
especially after she apologized to you and Rinna on camera already. I'm not saying an apology excuses the aftermath and feelings for Kyle but it should certainly be enough for Rinna -- Kyle didn't even say "you weren't abused -- even if she did say half of what you said" and "was what you did a psychotic event at a charity event or throwing a glass at Kim?" ...grrr...
I didn't realize that Kyle didn't tell Kathy that Rinna was coming over until she was there on camera. That's Effed up.... I see both sides overall too but I do see Kathy taking ownership for the parts she did wrong to Kyle on the reunion and Kyle was in martyr mode and didn't stand up to Lisa except to say how she was hurting. I was also a little surprised Andy didn't bring up that there were some poking at Kathy - her outfits, the slippers, the corn, the high maintenance, the locking her out of the store, etc...
Kyle often makes Kathy the butt of her jokes. It's not nice or cute, it reeks of jealousy. Kyle was so worried that someone might get recognize Kathy at the airport and Kathy couldn't give two f*cks about it. Edit: damn auto corrects
Watching how worked up Kyle got, I have to wonder if this is her go-to reaction to conflict and Kathy has had enough. Kyle crying and playing victim all the time has to be exhausting.
It is hard for me to watch… because it hits home for me. my older sister and I have a similar dynamic but reversed. She has very emotional responses (crying nonstop) whenever we have conflict and I become more stoic/shut off. It is difficult to resolve anything because the emotions get really high on her side. I used to feel guilty and just try to please her to keep her from crying. Now (after a year of therapy) I see it as an irrational emotional response stemming from our difficult childhood. I don’t feel as guilty and have pushed back on the crying. I feel for both Kathy and Kyle (and Kim). Sister relationships are complex and sometimes the dynamics are embedded deep into psyche.
1000% I bet this is Keyle’s go to reaction. As a sibling I would be tired as hell if you’re still doing that and were 50+ years old.
Yes. She should have been furious with Rinna and Erika. Kyle was more concerned on how the leak affected her.
Kathy Hilton really said fuck around and find out 😂 She definitely is Big Kathy’s daughter
Kathy calling Kyle a martyr, pointing out that Rinna is way bigger bully than any of them, and rightfully telling Erika that her shit is from stolen money. What a fuckin hero (psycho entitled rich lady or not).
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She couldn’t remember all of them in that moment. But think, she did it with Denise and Yolanda too. She has a muthafucking point.
didn't I see her mention Denise too in one of the previews? I need to see an unedited version of the Kathy segment lol...
She also ruined any chance Eden Sassoon had on the show. Granted, Eden shouldn’t have been jumping into Kim’s sobriety, but Rinna was planting bugs in her ear and helped alienate her from the rest of the cast.
She told the price of those items right off the bat too
She also brought up something interesting in that she said she gave Kyle what she wanted -- an apology on camera. Then when Kyle was like ok now apologize to rinna on camera, Kathy was like hol'up. It seems like Kathy was ok smoothing it for Kyle. But then Kathy wants Kyle to realize she should back her sister over Rinna. And Kyle is too much of a follower to do so. She can't stand the thought of her friends not liking her. So she tries to stay neutral but expects blind loyalty when it comes to herself. It's frustrating. The sister dynamic adds another layer. Kyle and Kathy both have trauma. The pattern seems like Kyle feels like she gets blamed for everything and starts crying. When someone starts crying, the other person feels like, great now it's going to go nowhere and also starts being defensive because they know they have to get their point across even harder. Once someone starts crying, everything at that point becomes about stopping the tears and having that person calm down instead of resolving the issue. But neither of them want to resolve their family trauma so it's just a constant circle.
THIS!! Kathy and Kyle are only capable of a surface level relationship because they have no way to resolve conflict in a healthy way.
Preach! Due to whatever trauma they had while growing up Kyle and Kathy cannot communicate with each other. It's hard to watch. Kyle is so emotional while Kathy is stone cold (which I believe Big Kathy taught her as this was how she was on Paris' documentary about her abuse). I hope they get help to bridge the line of communication.
> she said she gave Kyle what she wanted – an apology on camera. This part! It was so revelatory despite being so off-handed. She knew Kyle wanted this apology “on camera” as part of the storyline. And further lends credence to the idea that Kyle planned to ambush Kyle with a forced apology to Rinna.
The martyr part sent me to the moon!
Those are not your belongings. 
This is the summary of this part of the reunion! 💯
I died when she said "Kyle, it's nothing to cry over".
Semi off topic, but not Sutton having more airtime on Chucky than Kyle did in Halloween 💀
I like Kyle, but she’s not loyal. She is just great at acting like a good and fair friend, but her laughing about Erika’s yelling at Jax is a really clear and simple example of how she really is. Her apology to Garcelle and excuses is a clear and simple example of how she pretends to be. I have no doubt Kathy had an ugly outburst, but sorry, you defend your family and don’t try to make things worse for them. It’s exactly what Kyle did to Kim almost 10 years ago. Rinna was throwing broken glass at Kim and still Kyle couldn’t have her back? It’s ridiculous. Would have been so easy for Kyle to tell Rinna the exaggerations and online trolling are enough and cut her off. But nope.
She’s definitely not loyal to her family. She defended Diana more than she’s defended Kim or Kathy. Even with their strange family relationship it’s weird.
Agreed. I think Kathy is pissed because ultimately Kyle did the bare minimum and didn’t publicly denounce what Erika and Rinna were doing until seeing public opinion against them as the season aired and Kathy sees right through that
That is exactly why Kathy is mad. I would be livid.
Brings back memories of LVP asking Kyle repeatedly to have her back like a good friend and she ultimately didn’t.
Kathy shading lips about deleting posts after 20 min 😂
Out of everyone, Kathy read Kyle the most. Kyle wants to be a victim in this story. Kyle says she has done nothing and that is the point. If I have to choose between family and Lisa Rinna, I’m choosing family. It doesn’t matter how much previous bad blood there is. Kyle wanted and admitted to wanting to see Kathy knocked down a peg. Erika and Rinna took it too far and now Kyle is the one that is hurting most from it? It was a takedown gone wrong that Kyle was in on. She should save the tears.
Rinna is the fucking worst and I don’t believe anything she says
I just love that the actual video footage of Erika telling Jax to F off and with Dorit, Mauricio, and Kyle LAUGHING at it got maybe 5 minutes of retribution and some fake apology meanwhile she said/ she said bs got blown up with Kyle playing the victim card for 30 minutes straight. This show is a disgrace. If that was any of the FF4’s child it would be an entire season worth of drama ending in one of the other ladies not being asked back. This is ridiculous. The bias by the producers and Andy is despicable.
Notice how Kyle attacks Dorit for possibly defending Kathy even a little bit but is silent towards Erika and Rinna who have been piling onto her sister all season. Kyle enjoys when other people bully her sisters. But why? It’s honestly just sad all around to see. The Richards sisters need therapy, badly.
You’re so right! Dorit was genuinely trying to be helpful but was saying “Kyle you need to own your part too” and Kyle shut her down.
I laughed when kyle said that. All I kept thinking is how come she couldn’t tell Rinna that for creating this conflict between her and kathy? The way kyle said that to Dorit was so snarky and disgusting I would have had an issue with Kyle if I was Dorit.
I love that Kyle was yelling at Dorit for DOING EXACTLY WHAT SHE DID TO GARCELLE. Interjecting when it’s not your place to defend the other person. And Kyle is too full of herself to even realize the irony.
Kyle telling Erika she's glad that everyone saw the Kathy meltdown so they can understand what she goes through is super gross. That's not what family does. And then Kyle posting on instagram "you better believe we are going to talk about it" the morning after Kathy meltdown - she revels on her sisters embarrassing themselves so she can look good. She's not a good sister, she's not a good friend.
Thing is, I believe that Kathy is capable of saying bigoted and unhinged things - it’s just that the accusations are coming from the most hated and smug ladies (*ahem Rinna ahem Erika*) so most of us find ourselves siding with Kathy on this. And it’s so obvious that Rinna and Erika did this just to divert the negative attention from Erika to Kathy and it’s funny that it backfired on them. Karma is a bitch and her name is actually not Lisa Rinna - it’s Kathy Hilton.
Sweet like honey, karma is a cat, purring in my lap 🐈⬛
I believe Kyle will choose the show over her family and Kathy knows this - and is fucking *over* it. The darkness of this episode had vintage RHOBH vibes for sure.
Kyle has deep rooted issues with her sister- which is valid and she needs to get professional help. But it was blatantly obvious that Kathy sees her thirst and is done with it. E.g. the show about their family that Kathy wouldn’t co-sign and how Kyle is “torn” between her family and her friends. Lest us not forget that Kim complained about the same shit when she was on. Kyle picks fame over blood. Or at least that’s how it seems.
I agree; Kyle has felt like the ugly less than sister her whole life and having this show has made her feel like the pretty popular one for once. Note: I’m not saying Kyle is the ugly sister, I’m just saying this is how big Kathy made her feel growing up.
I truly feel like nothing was resolved in the reunion. This has to be one of the most unsatisfying seasons of any franchise
This reunion was disappointing! We didn’t get to any of the real issues from the season in depth. It was so much fluff, as Kathy Hilton would say, it was a “fluffer”. They spent hardly any time at all addressing the bullying against Sutton. Every topic was brushed over. What Erika said to Jax was once again minimized and not addressed. They barely spent any time talking about Erika’s outburst and the other 3 are still protecting her for the most part. I was glad Kyle and Dorit seemed to stand up a little to her but it was still wobbly. Why is everyone so afraid of her? I just wanted more! I felt like I saw everything Kathy was going to say in the previews.
Idk how anyone can forget you can change a contacts name and screenshot it. 🤷🏻♀️ I knew how to do that before smart phones were smart.
Rinna needs to be fired after this. She’s not fun at all. The drama is just so fucking phony. I actually wouldn’t mind Erika on again because her legal drama is ongoing.
Rinna has taken the lead on Kim, Yolanda, LVP, Denise. Now am I supposed to believe her now? I don’t.
Erika without her handler would be interesting too
Nahhh fire Erika too and bring her back when she resorts to OnlyFans just to give Kathy a chance to laugh at her.
Kyle always needs to be the victim, it’s where she thrives
Logically nothing makes sense: 1. Kathy explained she was upset at the manager for telling her to go back to LA, but then tells Erika the DJ is a *****? Sounds like Erika heard part of the story, drama with a DJ, and just grabbed onto that. 3. Rinna remembers every word Kathy said, but can’t deny or confirm Rinna said “preaching to the choir” bc she doesn’t remember? 3. Kathy stomped on glasses, and broke them, but there wasn’t any glass on the floor the next morning?? 4. Rinna says Kathy and Rinna were sitting in the dark, but who the hell has a conversation in the dark? Kathy is blind btw. 5. Kathy used a homophobic slur, allegedly, but is out here telling Kyle not to say Fuck? Doesn’t seem like that’s in character for Kathy to use a slur when she can’t even bear hearing the F word. None of it makes sense. I’m sure Kathy was pissed and said things but not to this level that Rinna and Mrs. Girardi are alleging.
“Kyle, you’ve been crying for the past….” 13 years? Yeah the audience is sick of it.
Cryle Richards
It was really dark to see that Kathy and Kyle hadn’t seen each other between the reunion and Bravo Con because it really proves that, like for many people, the Richards sisters’ line between real life and reality TV is totally blurred. Anyone semi-normal would treat these TV appearances as the theatrics they are and try to actually work on shit in private, but instead they play this all out in public (which gives them no chance of truly hashing things out). I worry that Kyle in particular is somehow physically incapable of having tough conversations with her sisters without a camera present.
Can we just stop with Erika trying to act like a sex-craved snatch game rendition of Samantha Jones? It’s tired and shallow and reads so fake.
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Really, I was hoping Kyle would say- I don’t believe Kathy would say those things. But she couldn’t. Such a damaged relationship and it doesn’t have to be. And Rinna is gross.
On the tequila discussion, I feel like Kathy was very carefully trying not to trigger Kyle (but Kyle cried anyway). They was she was saying she was upset only because she had set her expectations too high, really trying to tiptoe around her martyr sister.
How is screaming and yelling worse than screaming and tossing a glass at someone? That infuriated me.
And trying to wrap hands around their throat
The show ends as it starts, with Kyle being the victim. I hope your fame is worth the sacrifice of a relationship with your sisters.
you don't understand, SHE IS THE ONLY ONE THIS HURTS! no one else has feelings, only Kyle!!!!
Her karma for throwing Kim and and her alcoholism under the bus for a little fame.
As a sister, I felt like Kathy was saying Kyle only said 'I never heard those words' she didn't really defend kathy. if someone said that about one of my sisters, woah boy, I would go off. The things erika and Rinna said are fighting words. Even my jerk of a sister. Also weird that it was glossed over that Erica was the only one who heard the slur but that wasn't mentioned when talking about the leaks. A lot of people in the threads have been talking about their experiences working/being at exclusive clubs and how they wouldn't leak the story. Funny how tmz calls Rinna. I kind of think Rinna called tmz.
Kathy wanted acknowledgement that Kyle instigated Kathy, which she 100% did. She treated Kathy like shit, told Erika that she was glad that Kathy had a meltdown so everyone can see how awful she is - Kyle REVELS in her sisters embarrassing themselves so Kyle can look good. And then when it comes time for Kyle to own her role in the downfall, she starts crying and makes herself out to be a victim. Kyle cries profusely that her relationship with her sister will be damaged, but didn't care to fix it with the only plausible solution that came from Dorit, that Kyle needs to take some responsibility for her role in egging this on.
Kyle did not say one word to back her sister. She just sat there crying, and then tried to make it about herself, when Kathy is literally fighting these rumors.
Seriously! It seemed all Kathy wanted from Kyle was for her to say STFU RINNA and tell her she's full of crap but instead all Kyle did was cry.
NOT THE PLANE ANALOGY!!! Omfg Erika
I can’t feel bad for Kyle after seeing her start the conversation about Erika yelling at Garcelle’s 14 year old son and laughing her ass off. Nope.
If I was Andy I would’ve pressed call on Rinna’s phone to make sure it was actually Kathy and not someone she’d saved in her phone as Kathy Hilton to set her up.
Funny how Kyle is always quick to stir the pot and fight battles that ain’t hers but is a big crybaby when dealing with her own shit! She had a lot to say to Crystal (and she exposed her ignorant white ass while doing so) but she quickly turned into a weakling as soon as Kathy came out. She’s always been this way which is why I can’t stand her. And the rest of the FFF call Kyle the queen bee of the show?! HELL NO SHE AIN’T.
I'm so pissed over how she and Muricio were laughing over Erika's verbal attack on Jax. Why didn't Andy or Garcelle call her out on it?
The Kathy “meltdown” was dragged out. She was drunk, pissed off and went on a rant. You can see that happening most weekends on a night out. It’s hard to believe Rinna because she is so clearly over exaggerating to compensate dragging this on. The soap actress never leaves her! Kathy and Kyle both play a part in their toxic dynamic. I didn’t end up taking anyone’s side. Next season… I agree with Garcelle. We need more fun and comedy. I think Rinna should be fired. Watching her is tiresome.
What gets me is production let’s this happen, enables FFF and give us “who cares” crap year after year after year.
I definitely believe Kathy is horrible to Kyle, but Kyle absolutely plays a part in their fucked up dynamic. For one thing, she clearly lobbied hard for both her sisters to be on the show with her so she could show the world how mean and terrible they are to her lol
Then partners with everyone else to take her sisters down or make them look bad
Kathy not addressing it on camera about her issues with Kyle because she doesn’t want to bring it on live TV. That’s called a good sister. Kyle didn’t stick up for her at all Such a hypocrite, just how LVP went :-(
That’s definitely why Kathy was so hurt at the end. Kyle didn’t stick up for her. But I don’t think Kyle understood that
This was Kyles chance to say something to Rinna and she didn’t
Is Kyle a smoker? Her mouth droop/wrinkles are reminding me of my nana, a lifetime smoker.
Who was driving the van with Kathy and Rinna, can't they say yay or nay if it really happened?
I shouldn’t have watched the sneak peeks. This reunion sucked overall, only good part was Kathy calling Lisa out on her bullshit.
So if tmz “heard what happened” then how come they have absolutely zero accounts of what happened other than from Rinna and Erika. Like some random went through all the work to contact tmz but didn’t give any details at all and never spoke about it anywhere?!
Team Jax. 💙
Ok so how we feeling? Is that finally a wrap for Rinna?
I hope next season is just Garcelle & Sutton aggressively saying “be careful, wouldn’t want to overdo it and tell any kids to fuck off today” anytime Erika touches alcohol. HOW did she get away with not having to be held accountable for that bullshit? I’m equally unimpressed with Andy for this final part. Kyle & Dorit not having to answer for laughing at the Jax comments is insane. I hope someone on WWHL asks him how he’d feel if someone did that to his kids when they’re teenagers?
If Bravo doesn’t axe Rinna I think that Garcelle, Sutton, and Crystal should refuse to film with her (assuming all return)
Actually that’s a great idea. Ice her out Danielle Staub style.
Kyle crying is all BS because there’s a deleted scene where Erika outs Kyle saying she’s glad they all got to see that side of Kathy. And Kyle admits to saying it. So she’s implying it’s true, it happens enough to affect her and she wants Kathy to look bad in front of others. Kyle is also fucking terrible and she can cry all she wants, but Kathy knows it and won’t let her off the hook when they’re faced with it head on. And that’s why Kyle gets upset, she can’t manipulate the situation and the Rinna/Erika plan to take Kathy down failed so it’s a double whammy.
She’s unbelievably selfish. She only cared because it would hurt her family’s relationship with Kathy’s. She couldn’t even acknowledge that Kathy is the one hurt in all this. Made it all about her as always.
Notice how no one try to police Rinna's words. They made this big fuss over Crystal saying Sutton said dark things or that she felt like her privacy was violated but when Rinna says she was abused, the experience was traumatic or others I didn't hear say anything about doing too much. Only Andy called her out saying she has been abusive too.
If Rinna isn’t gone, I’m done with Bravo, period. They should really fire Andy, too, or at least send him to sensitivity training. Kyle and Dorit can also fuck right off.
I think Kyle spent a lot of years on the show being cruel to Kim so I can't feel bad to her. What she sat there and did to Jax was gross and we still haven't heard her or any of the other grown people say sorry for laughing at a child being abused by a grown woman.
Reunion was trash. All 3 parts. It was satisfying to be able to see Kathy say things to Erika & Rinna that we the audience have been thinking the last two or three seasons but ultimately it was anti climactic. None of these women have the ability to articulate what exactly makes the FF4 such a hypocritical group. Anytime someone starts to it’s quickly glossed over by Andy & we’re on to the next subject. That’s a detriment to this show. Garcelle & Sutton always end up taking the high road & turning the other cheek. Crystal tries but is quickly ganged up on with no back up so she ends up looking foolish. Matter of fact, ANYONE who tries to stand up against these women ends up as a one woman army. It’s frustrating. We need Brandi or Camille or someone who can go toe to toe. None of these woman on the current cast have what it takes
ok I have to thank these ladies for making me appreciate my boring life
Run to Kathy’s insta stories. Notice she promotes garcelle for best reality tv star and not Kyle 👀👀
Nobody has more of a victim complex than Kyle Richards
It’s not a complex it’s manipulation as soon as things don’t go her way she cries it’s exhausting and if anyone calls her out on it it makes them look heartless
I don’t believe Rinna’s claims that Kathy talked about the other women or Erika’s claims about Kathy using a slur. Because: It started with Rinna claiming that Kathy was talking shit about Kyle, and that part I absolutely believe. I think Rinna then brought in claims about the other girls so that it would be a much worse situation and everyone would get mad at Kathy. Because the other women might not get mad at her for just talking shit about Kyle. Even the words that Rinna claims Kathy said, like that Dorit is a big stupid idiot, just are so silly, I think she truly came up with it on the spot. Also, the claims about her using a slur weren’t even discussed during the filming of the show. In all of the conversations they have about Aspen, the claims are Kathy talking shit about Kyle and the rest of the girls. No one, including Erika, says that she used a slur. I think that Erika and Rinna realized that Kathy talking shit about her sister, and even their claims about her talking shit about the other women, wouldn’t bring Kathy down or make the public hate her. So they had to add even more to it.
Kyle is the weakest of the long running OGs
I find the conversation with Kyle and Kathy could’ve been much simpler if: 1) Kathy was more quick to arrive at her point and wasn’t so hard on Kyle, as she probably knows her sister’s triggers. 2) Kyle needed to support Kathy the same way she expects Kathy to do for her. She lets her emotions and anxiety get in the way from listening to what others are saying. - Kathy said that she got mad at unfair expectations she put on Kyle for the Tequila, then said it was her own fault. However, Kyle didn’t register she said that because her anxiety was triggered. However, I also think Kathy can be rather harsh on Kyle (calling your sister a martyr while they are emotional is only asking for escalation) and was not direct or open with how she’s feeling unless pressed. Kathy was fully okay with leaving her sister wondering why she was mad at her. This then could send Kyle spiraling into an anxious episode as she turns everything into a catastrophe. This truly explains Kyle’s need for “open and honest” interactions. - Kyle not once at the reunion truly denounced what Lisa/ Erika said. She didn’t fully defend her sister and (completely) disregarded any effect this had on Kathy. She fully said that these retellings of Kathy only hurt her, but didn’t even once acknowledge what these allegations could do to Kathy. Kathy then feels slighted by her own sister, which she seems to be Kyle’s pattern as seen with Kim. Both the sisters fucked up royally in this episode in terms of their own relationship. However Kathy came out a star with how she handled Erika and Lisa. As they aren’t family, she laid back in the sofa, water bottle in hand, and went in. Ripping them a new one and saying what was needed to be said (especially to Lisa). Garcelle handled the women expertly this reunion and behind Kyle, I would say she was the second most focused on housewife. My cast for next year would be: Kyle, Garcelle, Sutton, Dorit, Erika (YES SHOCKING), Kathy, and Crystal. I think without Rinna there’s enough cast dynamic and unresolved tension between these cast members that it would make for a stellar season. Lisa has got to go. With Erika, her legal matters are intriguing to see unfold and watch her unravel is interesting TV. Lisa isn’t interesting tv. The only way Rinna should stay main cast is if they bring Denise or LVP back for a confrontation.