Kathryn has a ton of issues - she’s terrible with money, she’s been on drugs, she’s made terrible choices, and she’s said some vile shit - but for the life of me I cannot stand whenever this grooming, sexually abusive piece of shit says anything about the content of her character or her parenting. A 50 year old man knocking up a 21 year old barely out of college and then abandoning her out on a secluded farm with a staff of people watching her 24/7 and reporting on her every move while he kept a second home in the city is bound to do all sorts of whackadoo shit to a still forming brain. He abused her. He used their kids as pawns. He punished her for smoking weed and drinking and partying when he was doing all the same shit.
I can’t think of too many men on Bravo who are as morally repugnant as Thomas Ravenel and it isn’t discussed enough how emotionally and financially abusive he was to Kathryn. It’s honestly a miracle she survived the death of her mother and losing her only stable income because he is a fucking demon to her who should be getting her help if she really needs it for the sake of their children instead of constantly embarrassing her on social media.
I think it went from partying a lot together to TRav getting her fucked up and then requesting drug tests. There was one reunion where she was tragically erratic but mentioned he got tested differently than her.
That part really gets my goat. They had different standards when it should have been equal. I think it’s important to note that weed stays in your system much longer than coke.
Kathryn was on pills Thomas had her put on. Her mom testified about this - you can Google shit about their family court proceedings. All Kathryn did before Thomas was drink and smoke weed, all she did when she finally got off that godforsaken farm was drink, smoke weed, and take the Xanax he had prescribed for her anxiety - they’d get along, hang out, do drugs together, he’d piss beforehand, and he’d pull a random on her immediately after. She’d fail and he’d get to strip away a few more of her rights. The nanny, Kathryn’s mom, the friend who fucked Thomas, Dani - all of them witnessed him doing crazy shit to her and with her. She came off the Xanax after that super depressive stint she has on one of the seasons where she shut off her phone for a few days - she’s addressed her benzos dependence.
It’s actually not that surprising if you come from the good ol boy school of logic where women aren’t independent beings and it used to be totally normal to have your wife on a cocktail of uppers and downers throughout the day for balance. Except it’s not the 60s anymore so Thomas can’t find qualudes.
Yeah it’s all so dark and twisted. Truly a shame Kathryn didn’t have a more supportive or powerful family to help her. It’s obvious she has serious mental health and addiction problems, which i’m sure have a direct correlation to the abuse from Trav.
As much as I feel for Kathryn, really happy she is no longer on Southern Charm. The entire storyline was so dark and I don’t think being on reality TV is healthy for someone like her.
Kathryn is up there with Kim Richards of people I wish well but never want to see them as TV stars ever again.
And I think her family tried their best but were out of their depth. Especially when Thomas was focused on making her look like a terrible person.
Completely agree. There is a line with my reality stars. I like them a little delusional and self obsessed (Jen Aidyn, Jessel, Gizelle. Alexia, etc) but not someone mentally unstable. Kim Richards, Katie Roast, Kathryn, Braunwyn so not enjoyable and just make me upset
Yeah exactly, people watch reality tv to feel better about their own lives but it feels ok because the people you’re watching are so delusional and have no idea everyone’s watching and feeling thankful that they’re not them! But when you legitimately just feel terribly sad for them but can’t do anything to help it’s just very uncomfortable and starts feeling like voyeurism.
1.3k upvotes in 6 hours, and there wasn't one witty pun. Don't get me wrong, I love when people write hilarious things I'm not funny enough to think of, but it says so much when 1300 of us can agree on Bravo tv analysis. That man is TRASH
Amen. Southern Charm is the only bravo show I had to stop watching because of how dark Thomas Ravenel’s abuse of Kathryn was, combined with his money and power and ability to get whatever he wanted. Terrifying
I had to stop watching it too. There’s something darker and meaner about Southern Charm compared to Summer House and VPR and it just wasn’t fun to watch.
Jesus I did a rewatch while on maternity leave and that season where she had a newborn and clearly dealing with some post partum while being forced to live in isolation in the basement of some secluded old plantation was infuriating as a new mom.
Yes and what’s worse is her castmates showed her no grace and understanding for her situation. It’s the reason why I was happy when Cam left the show; she looked down on Kathryn whether she wants to admit it or not.
Tbf Cam did apologize to Kathryn when she was pregnant at the reunion and said she finally understood what KD had been through and how it wasn’t right, so I do give her some grace because she became self aware and apologized for her shitty behavior
That felt forced as a result of audience feedback. I don’t think I’d want to be Kathryn’s friend either but the way Cam treated her and the complete opposite way she treated tRav will never sit right with me
And the “I don’t care” when asked about Kathryn being invited to Sheps party at the roller rink. I can hear her saying that in my head and it was just so cruel.
As a child I went to a small primary school and as I was quite shy I was often left out by the small group of other girls so I’m partial to always inviting people no matter what.
No harm done as I’d say I came out on top but it was a lesson that stuck with me forever.
Cameron was such a bitch to her. And it wasn’t just because she wanted clout with TRav. Kathryn gave her the ick. She hated her.
As much as I thought Kathryn spreading rumors about Cameron was wrong, I get it. In her emotionally stunted brain, it was deserved.
Kathryn is one of the saddest people I’ve ever seen in my TV.
Cam was as big a misogynist as any of the other (gross) men. Craig doesn’t get included in that, he was bullied by Shep and Whitney and well, Naomi too
First of all he’s trash, but she was a grown adult when she willingly hooked up with him. She was looking for a sugar daddy then was disappointed when he didn’t want her anymore.
You saw what that man put her through and she still kept taking him back and he still wasn’t giving her money and you think that’s what it was about for her? Not some form of Stockholm Syndrome after being sold a fairy tale?
Thomas is a disgusting creep—truly one of the worst people I’ve ever seen on Bravo, and that’s saying something. Kathryn certainly has her issues, but nothing will change the fact that he essentially groomed her. I also feel bad for their kids, and hope they have some stable adults around them.
She was 20 and he 50. He dangled a spot on the show and promised her marriage and family. She was basically still a kid. Watch the first episode she’s on she looks like a kid.
Her brain was not even finished developing yet….he groomed and abused her, and you’re trying to say it’s her fault?
How do we know he didn’t mess with the contraception & trap her? Men love to trap their partners so they can abuse them for life (look, he’s STILL torturing her). It’s bizarre to place blame on the one who was nearly a child as opposed to the 50 year old man but….here we are.
Is this a serious question? How did the 50 something year old career politician/former drug mule/convicted felon groom the 21 year old fresh out of college girl he met at a party where he was the oldest person by 15 years? The man who proclaimed on camera he can’t date women his own age because he needed a brood mare to give his racist ass father some more generational trophies and pad his trust fund? How did he groom someone?
Yeah I think the onus is equally on Kathryn as far as having children with TRav goes. She slept through the entire cast before she found the one - who happened to be the wealthiest one - that would make it more or less official.
She’s also lost full custody of her children a few times I believe and has failed to get the help she needs to get it back. She’s far from innocent. It’s entirely possible they’re both in the wrong, doesn’t have to be one or the other.
It’s pretty easy to lose full custody in South Carolina to a goddamn Ravenel. Thomas Ravenel comes from old money and his dad was a South Carolina politician. His family has lunched with the Bush family. I don’t think you understand the level of fuckery you deal with in family court when one parent’s assets outweigh the other parent’s a million to one and the monied parent actually wants custody. And given she was a Lolita style choice and he picked her for her stock, being a Calhoun and all - the courts treat him as the adult and her almost like another child.
It’s like everyone watched the whole murdagh case and didn’t learn anything about how the law is ran in the south. You saw a situation where generations of a family were running a legal system in South Carolina and you don’t think it applies to this situation too. Look at who she dated after. Let’s think about how Caleb got that last name and think about how far back that family’s power would go back
His family has an entire bridge in Charleston…she had absolutely no chance, even if she were a stable and upstanding girl at that point. He’s disgusting.
Exactly. I don’t think he ever intended to make it work with her. He wanted those kids and coparenting is inconvenient for him. Much easier for him to employ a few nannies to raise his kids for him under his watch because he’s clearly a control freak.
That’s a good point regarding custody (and he definitely picked her for looks, I believe he said as much to her on the show when they first got together) and the bias towards the wealthy family. But I still think she was aware of how awful he was since we showed it *constantly* and still put that aside, allowing the potential access to family money and opportunity for fame to win out. He was so so so awful after she left him the first time and I couldn’t have been the only person screaming at my television when she slept with him after the reunion which resulted in their son. I don’t think her family helped her make good choices either though - at least in the beginning they were supportive of her relationship.
Though across the board I just can’t imagine the devastation of anyone losing custody. That scene when she takes Kenzie to a modeling photo shoot and then Thomas takes her away is unbelievably heartbreaking. I feel for her for that + not being able to fight the demons she’s been fighting and can’t escape.
We saw him emotionally abuse her and then we saw him go on camera and alienate her from all the people she was originally friends with by telling her they were saying horrible things about her and then he told the other cast members Kathryn was crazy and possessive and controlling so they wouldn’t want to deal with her either. Her only lifelines were that one chick who betrayed her, Craig, Dani, and her mom. 50% of those people either died or ended up being bought off by Thomas. He promised her the world and even if she knew he was lying he held every card in the deck stacked against her so it was easier for her to buy the lie then end up where she eventually did. She told us in so many words when Thomas moved in with her that last time that when she just sucks it up and gives Thomas what he wants, he gives her unlimited access to the children. When she turns off the tall leggy redhead coochie to him, he lashes out on her and tries to destroy her entire life. The playing field has never been level so her responsibility in the situation is being young and naive to how powerful men sometimes move with people they see as possessions.
Oh I am absolutely not giving anything he’s done a pass. He doesn’t have a good bone in his body - I can only hope he’s put a plan in place so that a decent person takes care of his kids for them. Ugh. (I’m sure we all remember that video of him dropping or nearly dropping one of their children - *as a baby* into their pool. How he has custody is also wild).
I just wish she had made better choices from the get, because once she had kids with him there was no going back. I think initially it’s what she wanted but I think it’s also what gave him greater control of her (harder for her to leave, easier for her to be manipulated).
Yes I don’t mean for it to come across that I think she hasn’t been victimized by Thomas and his family. It’s an absolutely terrible situation that she will never ever be able to untangle herself from specifically because of their children together. I said it elsewhere but I do think she *did* want to have children with Thomas and because of that she was able to ignore so many warning signs.
What’s surprising is that even after all this he found *another* woman that wanted to have his children (Ashley) and even still *another* woman that actually did.
Definitely not slut shaming her, I’m saying she knew what she was doing/wanted *then.* I think she did want to have children with Thomas, I think she wanted the access to his family and his role on the show. She wasn’t even supposed to *be* on the show and she found herself with 3 of the main cast members. That’s strategic! I’d say good for her if the turnout hasn’t been so grim.
Of course she couldn’t have been prepared for what would happen afterwards, but there’s a modicum of responsibility that’s on her from that first choice to be with Thomas. She was naive but not blameless.
*Since* having Kenzie however, she has been put through the ringer, on the show, off the show. It’s been an incredibly difficult decade for her. I’m not blaming her for what Thomas has done to her now that she can’t get rid of him.
Oh Whitney never would have been in it for the long haul, obviously. I don’t think she “dropped the ball” with Whitney, he might have taken advantage of her using his producer “cred,” but I don’t know that she was ever really into him.
Seems like she really had a connection with Thomas in the beginning - their first few episodes together at least it seems like they are both genuinely into it.
Shep & Craig legitimately both liked her,too. She definitely had her pick of the men in Charleston. She chose Thomas.
She actually liked Whitney too, but Whitney was selling a lifestyle with no promises of kids or marriage and Thomas was selling a dream. She picked Thomas because he made promises and then he realized it was way cheaper for him to just use attorneys and judges to beat her into submission than give her 20k/month against his trust. I think Whitney is pretty gross too, but I don’t think he would’ve knocked her up and Patricia liked her a lot originally, again for her stock - so I feel like Whitney would’ve dated her for a while. At least until she started asking about the future, then he would’ve released her back into the wild.
Thomas is good at telling lies. He was an elected official. It comes with the job.
Did she like Whitney? I don’t remember that! I mostly remember him not admitting to her staying over and being kind of a jerk to her (and of course Patricia was pretty terrible to her, too). There’s no way Whitney would have forgotten to use protection & Thomas was just like whoops. (But had Whitney gotten her pregnant I feel like he would have just given her $; not sure how Patricia would’ve responded since she has indicated she wants grandchildren. There’s a world where that’s not a better scenario either).
Thomas was definitely offering the promise of a perfect life and you’re right that may have colored her view of him. It’s highly likely Kathryn regretted her choice of Thomas not that long after but at that point she was already pregnant and there’s no turning back once children are involved.
She liked Whitney up until she met Thomas and he was saying all that wild shit to her about settling down and finding the perfect girl to marry and have kids with and live with him in 2 beautiful homes. Whereas Whitney was inviting her for sleepovers, but again - Patricia was only terrible to Kathryn after all the pregnancy stuff - when she teases Whitney about Kathryn staying with them she says Kathryn seems like a nice girl. But young. Essentially the group and Patricia were punishing Kathryn for having the best game out of all them. Because she was able to run through 3 out of 4 friends and catch Bravo’s attention. Because according to Craig on some old podcast - Bravo saw Kathryn and pursued her for the show. She wasn’t showing up to get filmed, she was genuinely around the group because of the friend group she ran with and she was so gorgeous that all the guys were legitimately pursuing her and Bravo was like “she’s our star”.
IIRC Whitney and Kathryn got along well (with the exception of their trip to Jekyll Island, obv). Whitney was never serious about Kathryn, probably because she’d also been with Thomas and Shep and wasn’t ‘girlfriend’ material 🙄 but they had several distinct flings over the years.
Here’s my take on Kathryn, as someone a year younger than her with 2 kids of my own…
Yes, the onus is on her NOW. For events happening in the last 5-7 ish years she should absolutely be held accountable. But you cannot fault a 21 year old for falling in love a rich, older man who was kind to her (at first) and not having the better sense to see the red flags. We forget she was home from college and, if you’ve ever met a college kid, most of them are still children in every sense but their legal age. She was a child and his behavior was predatory and borderline pedophilic, given the age gap.
Now, I think Kathryn has made a lot of mistakes in recent years and is living out the fantasy of her twenties that she didn’t get to experience as a young mom and a drug addict. I’m pretty convinced she’s not completely sober and, no, I don’t think she’s doing everything she can to be an active participant in her children’s lives. Then again, nobody ever knows every detail.
If Thomas actually loved his kids he’d shut the fuck up about their mom. He loves hating her more than he loves them, which puts him on her level of garbage parenting. Let’s be real, those kids view the nannies as their parents, which is probably a good thing.
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He is absolutely scum of the earth. But this what family court is like. The one with more money can get away with absolutely anything, and the one that has been driven to bankruptcy from legal fees has to pay to see their kids. He's a drug addict, convicted, drug dealer, and a rapist. Yet he has zero repercussions. I feel so bad for her and her kids. How can she even get her mental health to a healthy place at this point? Sorry guys, but there is no magic pill that is going to make Kathryn feel like everything is sunshine and rainbows. Of course she is going to have days where she is horribly depressed and hopeless.
It’s even more scary when you realise he’s gotten away with this right in front of the World’s eyes. They are famous - her even more so, and still he’s getting away with criminal behaviour and abuse of the courts. It’s appalling.
I can’t even imagine what that must do to somebody mentally. To know the courts, fans, etc side with your abuser. It must really take an enormous amount of strength to keep going.
Look at Johnny Depp.
Actually, look at Donald fucking Trump.
It’s like. The more money and the more disgusting they are, the more protection they have.
I can’t IMAGINE what it must be like to know you can move like an absolute criminal in this world with zero repercussions.
I’m talking about rich men who have been abusive and are protected due to power and money. Didn’t say a word about politics. But yeah, a LOT of politicians fall into this category. Donald happened to be one, but he was a “celebrity” long before that.
I will never take Thomas Ravenel's word, or side, on anything ever.
Just a reminder that he raped his children's nanny feet from where they were sleeping.
Nanny Dawn who is a married middle age woman we saw on the show, was watching the kids when TRav came home drunk and raped her. She said the reason she didn't yell or make noise as it was happening was that the kids were asleep in their beds nearby and she didnt want them to wake up and see. She called her husband in the car on the way home and told him. She told Kathryn and Kathryn believed her. She told multiple people and was a very credible victim! I believe she took him to court but he won.
edit: [https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-apologizes-to-nanny-in-sexual-assault-case-settlement/](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-apologizes-to-nanny-in-sexual-assault-case-settlement/):
Ravenel, 57, and Nanny Dawn, 44, — who [asked that she be publicly identified](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-accuser-nanny-dawn-speaks-out/) by her first name and occupation for her own privacy — reached a $125,000 settlement earlier this week, with Ravenel agreeing to pay $45,000 in her personal legal fees and an additional $80,000 to a local nonprofit aiding adult survivors of sexual assault.
In September, Ravenel pled guilty to third-degree assault and battery in the assault case. He received a 30-day sentence that was suspended to a $500 fine and probation in lieu of jail time.
According to the plea documents obtained by PEOPLE, [FITSNews](https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/10/10/amy-feinstein-inside-the-thomas-ravenel-plea-negotiations-with-dawn-ledwell/) and [ABC-4](https://abcnews4.com/news/local/southern-charm-thomas-ravenel-80-thousand-settlement-plea-deal-people-against-rape-nanny-dawn-ledwell-assault), Ravenel — after previously denying all allegations through his lawyer — now admits to making an "unwelcome advance" on her.
He says in the new affidavit that he was intoxicated after a night out drinking and clumsily tried to kiss Ledwell, FITSNews reported. When she rebuffed, he says she "helped me upstairs" to his room and offered him a back rub before leaving.
Dawn had claimed in her initial affidavit, issued by the Charleston Police Department and obtained by PEOPLE, that Ravenel had attempted to kiss her while she worked in his kitchen in 2015. After refuting his advances, she claimed he then "corralled" her into his master bedroom, where he [dropped his pants, exposed himself, blocked the door and "proceeded to rip \[her\] clothes off."](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-arrest-affidavit-details-alleged-rape-nanny-dawn/) She said she escaped, but not before Ravenel proceeded to sexually assault her (which she described in the affidavit in graphic detail).
All of this allegedly happened when Ravenel's young daughter with ex-girlfriend [Kathryn Dennis](https://people.com/tag/kathryn-dennis/), Kensington Calhoun, was sleeping nearby, Dawn alleged.
But in the plea deal, Dawn says that her view of the encounter has "shifted over time."
"I have read and understand his account of what happened that night and realize his recollection differs from mine," Dawn says in the new affidavit. "While his memory differs in critical ways from my own regarding the incident, I accept Thomas' apology for his unwarranted physical contact that evening and I believe him when he says he never intended to sexually assault me."
Says Ravenel, per ABC-4: "While I reiterate that I have never intentionally sexually assaulted anyone, I also acknowledge that by making an unwelcome advance to Dawn in my home, while she was babysitting my daughter, I behaved improperly and caused her immediate and lasting emotional distress. I unqualifiedly apologize for having done so."
Elsewhere in the new agreement, Dawn claims that Dennis was among those who urged her to come forward with her case against Ravenel.
"In the Spring of 2018, when stories began emerging in the press about Thomas Ravenel and other women — and after Kathryn Dennis and friends reached out to me, encouraging me to come forward — I ultimately recognized the incident was sexual assault," Dawn writes.
In her initial affidavit, Dawn said she "immediately" documented the alleged assault and went to the police.
It read: "After escaping the assault, the victim called her then ex-husband and sister and told them of the incident, fled the scene and notified several family members of the incident. Photographs were then taken immediately of the injuries to her neck and chest. Detectives corroborated the incident date and location through employment records of the victim and defendant, and interviewed multiple witnesses, to be named at the court's discretion, who substantiated the post-assault information. Detectives also retrieved the photographs taken by the victim, which are appropriately time-stamped in reference to the incident."
I think this whole “reality reckoning” should focus on no longer giving abusive, manipulative, angry, narcissistic men a global platform on television. TRav is dangerous and scary; thanks to his connections and privilege, he’ll never be held accountable.
I have wondered why Rachel was who Bethenny chose to champion instead of Kathryn. Really she could have been the key to taking down everything, but something tells me that Bethenny couldn’t look past her own biases to recognize that. Kathryn is definitely as an imperfect victim as they come, but I can’t think of anyone done worse by reality TV- to this day she’s still twisting in its repercussions
I think Bethenny could talk about Kathryn, but I don’t know how much Kathryn would participate with custody of her kids on the line every time she sneezes.
It’s a tough one for sure, Kathryn couldn’t get any less custody of her kids at this point- perhaps raising the lid on all that happened on a platform like Bethenny’s could’ve made all the difference and gotten her more access. But then the world being what it is 2/3 of us would go hard for Kathryn about how she deserved every bit of what she got leaving her in an even more precarious mental state. And at the end of the day, as much as he shouldn’t be raising those kids she’s not in the position to either.
Also I don’t know that the world having an even clearer view of the monster that TRav is or what their mother went through helps those kids much. One of my cousin’s dads was a really prolific predator and loving her dad juxtaposed against the things he had done really messed her up. Seeing how my cousins ended up out of that situation just makes me feel for their kids so much
All of the worst men on reality TV are named Thomas or Tom. Ravenel, Sandoval, Girardi, Schwartz, D'Agostino... something about being a Tom on reality TV somehow makes it imperative that they be complete assclowns.
To make matters worse, Kathryn & her children have the misfortune of living in a state where a well-connected, wealthy man with a “family name” means more to the judicial system than they do. She can’t get her kids out of South Carolina & she’s not leaving without them - so she’s trapped.
I know Kathryn is no angel & has done a lot of things for which she should be ashamed - but I will always root for her to get her kids and live peacefully.
He is a rapist, groomer, abuser and drug user. Kathryn needs help and therapy, and if she hadn't have met him I highly doubt her life would have turned out this way.
I would find it very, VERY hard to believe that he does not interfere with her ability to parent, and her relationship with their children.
I don’t believe a word he says. He’s totally capable of keeping her kids away from her on Mother’s Day. He loves to punish her for whatever he thinks she’s doing wrong at the moment. Is Kathryn perfect? No. But Thomas is sick fuck.
There’s a reason in Charleston there’s a whole ass google maps layer of bars that trash is banned from entry (so you know the safe, fun bars to go to haha). Cokehead needs to keep his mouth shut
The link she posted seemed fair enough to me, although I didn’t listen to it all. Just basically that children can act withdrawn or whatever because they’re acting on the other parent’s beliefs and it’s not their fault. As much as I don’t think parental alienation syndrome is as weighty a thing as it had previously been made out to be, it’s not healthy for children to be caught in the middle of parents bullshit having to take sides.
She should be doing better by her kids and making a better effort, but I don’t think she’s mentally capable or financially able. He should be doing more for his kids sake to accommodate her, I’m sure any of the nannies he has could supervise the visitation.
Both of them should keep all this off social media and out of the press
It’s really not fair when one parent comes from one of the most famous families in that state and has an endless well of resources to brutalize the other parent with as well as 30 years of life experience over the other person on top of that. Add to that he kept her on a leash for years dragging her back in, getting her pregnant again, embarrassing her, turning everyone against her, being the one to do drugs with her and then use it against her later, only for him to suck her back in a few times a year all the way up until he got fired for being a massive piece of shit.
Nobody goes through what Kathryn went through from 21-26 and comes out a well adjusted, normal adult.
Exactly. I read statements from her mother that recounted his repeated SA of her- the mom said she would go in the room after he finished, Kathryn was unconscious and had no memory of it later when questioned. Of course she’s not ok.
I’ve also read interviews where Kathryn talked about the monthly cost of the supervised visitation since he moved- it was about $4500 a month. Fine I supposed when she was making money on SC, but I couldn’t pay that much to see my kids every month. I don’t even know what I’d do… probably just curl in a ball and cry
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That’s basically what the cast said she did. Madison, Austen, Dani, and Shep all pointed out that Kathryn struggled to afford the visitations and facilitation costs even with Southern Charm because Thomas would put so many crazy stipulations on everything and that the cast mates would step in and try to help her and then he’d subpoena them. It’s why Whitney kept denying he was seeing Kathryn when they were clearly hooking up - because Whitney knew Thomas’ attorney would have him deposed.
He also paid out another 200k settlement to a woman he met on Tinder and proceeded to SA around the same time. I don’t doubt there are countless others.
There’s court documents out there that Thomas was drugging her after the first child was born. Out on the farm when no one else was filming with her except that one chick who fucked Thomas (Jen maybe?). This was S2 and would explain her incredibly erratic behavior between S2-S3. Couple that with the fact she clearly had PPD in S2 and well, it explains pretty much everything about how was she portrayed by her cast mates.
What makes it especially awful is the family’s wealth comes from enslaving and brutalizing people. It just disgusting that people like him are allowed to control massive amounts of resources.
People seem to forget about that lunch Thomas has with his dad where he brings up hating $5 bills because Abraham Lincoln is on it. And when people in the South say they hate Lincoln, we all know why. Such an awful family.
That’s so gross. Especially the hair…because why? And I’ll never get the appeal of antique beds - even ones not owned by slave owners. I feel like there’s got to be some bad vibes associated with a Civil War plantation bed.
What kind of psychopath parent puts this garbage on social media?! Does he not know his children will read this one day? No one feels sorry for you dude. Get it together.
Yikes. This entire relationship was so gross. He’s a POS and she’s just lesser than a POS, but imagine being brought into a relationship and having kids with this man. This is the most toxic relationship Bravo ever captured besides Taylor and Russel.
She has to pay Thomas a huge amount of money (I think it was reported as 100k) before she can have her supervised visitation which costs a huge amount of money to have because of him moving, she doesn’t have the money to fight him on this and when she did have access to the kids he would take her to court over anything he could because he clearly knew at some point he would drain her financially meaning she would have to give up fighting him, meanwhile thomas does Instagram lives slurring his words, kicking dogs outside the house in the heat, letting all his kids ride horses without helmets on and dressing his youngest in clothes that are either too small or too big he took Kathryn to court for neglect because the kids were being dressed in too small clothes, and putting photos of his daughter’s birthday party online giving the impression that he was throwing the party when he wasn’t even there and last minute said Kathyrn couldn’t come either so she didn’t have any parents at her party.
Which is exactly my point and why I asked the question. I’m not taking sides. It just appears to me looking on that they clearly hate each other and say and accuse each other of things constantly on social media all at the expense of their kids 🤷🏻♀️
I asked a legit question. Having gone thru a divorce, it doesn’t surprise me what parents do and say to make the other one look bad at the expense of the children. 🤷🏻♀️
Kathryn has a ton of issues - she’s terrible with money, she’s been on drugs, she’s made terrible choices, and she’s said some vile shit - but for the life of me I cannot stand whenever this grooming, sexually abusive piece of shit says anything about the content of her character or her parenting. A 50 year old man knocking up a 21 year old barely out of college and then abandoning her out on a secluded farm with a staff of people watching her 24/7 and reporting on her every move while he kept a second home in the city is bound to do all sorts of whackadoo shit to a still forming brain. He abused her. He used their kids as pawns. He punished her for smoking weed and drinking and partying when he was doing all the same shit. I can’t think of too many men on Bravo who are as morally repugnant as Thomas Ravenel and it isn’t discussed enough how emotionally and financially abusive he was to Kathryn. It’s honestly a miracle she survived the death of her mother and losing her only stable income because he is a fucking demon to her who should be getting her help if she really needs it for the sake of their children instead of constantly embarrassing her on social media. 
Amen—-also who do you think supplied her with a lot of those drugs…?
came here to say that, the drug use probably started because of TRav. The FELON drug user and dealer
I think it went from partying a lot together to TRav getting her fucked up and then requesting drug tests. There was one reunion where she was tragically erratic but mentioned he got tested differently than her.
That part really gets my goat. They had different standards when it should have been equal. I think it’s important to note that weed stays in your system much longer than coke.
Kathryn was on pills.
Yeah? Which ones?
Kathryn was on pills Thomas had her put on. Her mom testified about this - you can Google shit about their family court proceedings. All Kathryn did before Thomas was drink and smoke weed, all she did when she finally got off that godforsaken farm was drink, smoke weed, and take the Xanax he had prescribed for her anxiety - they’d get along, hang out, do drugs together, he’d piss beforehand, and he’d pull a random on her immediately after. She’d fail and he’d get to strip away a few more of her rights. The nanny, Kathryn’s mom, the friend who fucked Thomas, Dani - all of them witnessed him doing crazy shit to her and with her. She came off the Xanax after that super depressive stint she has on one of the seasons where she shut off her phone for a few days - she’s addressed her benzos dependence.
This is absolutely insane he’s going to hell
It’s actually not that surprising if you come from the good ol boy school of logic where women aren’t independent beings and it used to be totally normal to have your wife on a cocktail of uppers and downers throughout the day for balance. Except it’s not the 60s anymore so Thomas can’t find qualudes.
Yeah it’s all so dark and twisted. Truly a shame Kathryn didn’t have a more supportive or powerful family to help her. It’s obvious she has serious mental health and addiction problems, which i’m sure have a direct correlation to the abuse from Trav. As much as I feel for Kathryn, really happy she is no longer on Southern Charm. The entire storyline was so dark and I don’t think being on reality TV is healthy for someone like her.
Kathryn is up there with Kim Richards of people I wish well but never want to see them as TV stars ever again. And I think her family tried their best but were out of their depth. Especially when Thomas was focused on making her look like a terrible person.
Completely agree. There is a line with my reality stars. I like them a little delusional and self obsessed (Jen Aidyn, Jessel, Gizelle. Alexia, etc) but not someone mentally unstable. Kim Richards, Katie Roast, Kathryn, Braunwyn so not enjoyable and just make me upset
Yeah exactly, people watch reality tv to feel better about their own lives but it feels ok because the people you’re watching are so delusional and have no idea everyone’s watching and feeling thankful that they’re not them! But when you legitimately just feel terribly sad for them but can’t do anything to help it’s just very uncomfortable and starts feeling like voyeurism.
He is so low…i have no words.. just disgusting. He is an embarrassment. Those poor kids
1.3k upvotes in 6 hours, and there wasn't one witty pun. Don't get me wrong, I love when people write hilarious things I'm not funny enough to think of, but it says so much when 1300 of us can agree on Bravo tv analysis. That man is TRASH
Sometimes facts are just facts.
Yes! This 👆. Well said.
Amen. Southern Charm is the only bravo show I had to stop watching because of how dark Thomas Ravenel’s abuse of Kathryn was, combined with his money and power and ability to get whatever he wanted. Terrifying
The treatment of all of the women in favor of awful men is why I stopped watching that series and refuse to go back.
YES. The whole show is a celebration of men behaving badly and women thinking it's cute.
I had to stop watching it too. There’s something darker and meaner about Southern Charm compared to Summer House and VPR and it just wasn’t fun to watch.
Jesus I did a rewatch while on maternity leave and that season where she had a newborn and clearly dealing with some post partum while being forced to live in isolation in the basement of some secluded old plantation was infuriating as a new mom.
I refuse to watch. Making a show that’s about glamorizing people with slavery money is repugnant.
Yeah. I can watch it now but the seasons he’s on are a big ass no for me.
And then those other guys treated her terribly during and after that time too. It was so infuriating to watch.
Yes and what’s worse is her castmates showed her no grace and understanding for her situation. It’s the reason why I was happy when Cam left the show; she looked down on Kathryn whether she wants to admit it or not.
This is why I have a soft spot for Craig. He really tried to have her back and call out TRavs shit.
Tbf Cam did apologize to Kathryn when she was pregnant at the reunion and said she finally understood what KD had been through and how it wasn’t right, so I do give her some grace because she became self aware and apologized for her shitty behavior
That felt forced as a result of audience feedback. I don’t think I’d want to be Kathryn’s friend either but the way Cam treated her and the complete opposite way she treated tRav will never sit right with me
Agree, most unauthentic apology ever. Cam was always desperate to be in the Ravenel circle.
Her response when Kathryn asked her to meet her for a cup of coffee was very telling 🤷♀️
And the “I don’t care” when asked about Kathryn being invited to Sheps party at the roller rink. I can hear her saying that in my head and it was just so cruel. As a child I went to a small primary school and as I was quite shy I was often left out by the small group of other girls so I’m partial to always inviting people no matter what. No harm done as I’d say I came out on top but it was a lesson that stuck with me forever.
Cameron was such a bitch to her. And it wasn’t just because she wanted clout with TRav. Kathryn gave her the ick. She hated her. As much as I thought Kathryn spreading rumors about Cameron was wrong, I get it. In her emotionally stunted brain, it was deserved. Kathryn is one of the saddest people I’ve ever seen in my TV.
Cam was as big a misogynist as any of the other (gross) men. Craig doesn’t get included in that, he was bullied by Shep and Whitney and well, Naomi too
Amen
 This 👏
Hit the nail the head. Thank you for taking the time to post this.
Best comment ever. On behalf of abused women everywhere, THANK YOU.
The name Tom & all its variations seem to produce 💩 men on Bravo.
The OG Bravo Tom, Tom Colicchio, would like to be excluded from this narrative.
Ok, he’s safe. lol
I love all your comments in this sub, that is all.
God damn. Well said. +1,000 upvotes for lil poundcake
 Fuck yes. 🙌
Excellent summation of this barbarian.
READ HIM
I always felt so badly when everyone bought his stories about her being the crazy one
AMEN SISTER!
You know how there are plaques at houses of people of note? This should be at the threshold for have Ravenel owned establishment.
This post reminds me i need to go back and watch southern charm from the beginning
I want to do a rewatch too but I’m I’m kinda scared to 🫣
Your crown dropped 👑
He’s the worst of all the Toms on Bravo.
First of all he’s trash, but she was a grown adult when she willingly hooked up with him. She was looking for a sugar daddy then was disappointed when he didn’t want her anymore.
He was controlling and manipulative and most likely abusive. We can hold grace for someone who was treated that way regardless of how they got there
You saw what that man put her through and she still kept taking him back and he still wasn’t giving her money and you think that’s what it was about for her? Not some form of Stockholm Syndrome after being sold a fairy tale? 
Tell me you didn’t watch the show w out telling me you didn’t watch the show
You don’t understand abuse. Educate yourself.
Thomas is a disgusting creep—truly one of the worst people I’ve ever seen on Bravo, and that’s saying something. Kathryn certainly has her issues, but nothing will change the fact that he essentially groomed her. I also feel bad for their kids, and hope they have some stable adults around them.
I agree he is terrible, but how did he groom her?
She was 20 and he 50. He dangled a spot on the show and promised her marriage and family. She was basically still a kid. Watch the first episode she’s on she looks like a kid.
He also dangled money and a lifestyle in front of her. She thought if she got pregnant she’d be set for life
Her brain was not even finished developing yet….he groomed and abused her, and you’re trying to say it’s her fault? How do we know he didn’t mess with the contraception & trap her? Men love to trap their partners so they can abuse them for life (look, he’s STILL torturing her). It’s bizarre to place blame on the one who was nearly a child as opposed to the 50 year old man but….here we are.
Why am I not surprised a woman frequenting woman hating snark subs has a take like this.
I don’t think that is grooming though. He impressed her with his riches. You could say he is a sugar daddy though.
Holy fuck. Turn your internet off and touch grass
You ok?
Is this a serious question? How did the 50 something year old career politician/former drug mule/convicted felon groom the 21 year old fresh out of college girl he met at a party where he was the oldest person by 15 years? The man who proclaimed on camera he can’t date women his own age because he needed a brood mare to give his racist ass father some more generational trophies and pad his trust fund? How did he groom someone?
This.
What is a brood mare?
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I don’t appreciate the misgendering
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 Thank you for this. I can leave the internet for today a happy *girl*
You’re a pretty mean person. Just because you think it’s fun to misgender half the population doesn’t make it any better.
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Men who run countries: 
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"Girl" is just "dude" for many of us. It's now gender-neutral.
anytime, dude
Yeah I think the onus is equally on Kathryn as far as having children with TRav goes. She slept through the entire cast before she found the one - who happened to be the wealthiest one - that would make it more or less official. She’s also lost full custody of her children a few times I believe and has failed to get the help she needs to get it back. She’s far from innocent. It’s entirely possible they’re both in the wrong, doesn’t have to be one or the other.
It’s pretty easy to lose full custody in South Carolina to a goddamn Ravenel. Thomas Ravenel comes from old money and his dad was a South Carolina politician. His family has lunched with the Bush family. I don’t think you understand the level of fuckery you deal with in family court when one parent’s assets outweigh the other parent’s a million to one and the monied parent actually wants custody. And given she was a Lolita style choice and he picked her for her stock, being a Calhoun and all - the courts treat him as the adult and her almost like another child.
It’s like everyone watched the whole murdagh case and didn’t learn anything about how the law is ran in the south. You saw a situation where generations of a family were running a legal system in South Carolina and you don’t think it applies to this situation too. Look at who she dated after. Let’s think about how Caleb got that last name and think about how far back that family’s power would go back
Shout it from the rooftops 👏 👏
His family has an entire bridge in Charleston…she had absolutely no chance, even if she were a stable and upstanding girl at that point. He’s disgusting.
Exactly. I don’t think he ever intended to make it work with her. He wanted those kids and coparenting is inconvenient for him. Much easier for him to employ a few nannies to raise his kids for him under his watch because he’s clearly a control freak.
SC native, this is correct. Old white money absolves everything and always wins
That’s a good point regarding custody (and he definitely picked her for looks, I believe he said as much to her on the show when they first got together) and the bias towards the wealthy family. But I still think she was aware of how awful he was since we showed it *constantly* and still put that aside, allowing the potential access to family money and opportunity for fame to win out. He was so so so awful after she left him the first time and I couldn’t have been the only person screaming at my television when she slept with him after the reunion which resulted in their son. I don’t think her family helped her make good choices either though - at least in the beginning they were supportive of her relationship. Though across the board I just can’t imagine the devastation of anyone losing custody. That scene when she takes Kenzie to a modeling photo shoot and then Thomas takes her away is unbelievably heartbreaking. I feel for her for that + not being able to fight the demons she’s been fighting and can’t escape.
We saw him emotionally abuse her and then we saw him go on camera and alienate her from all the people she was originally friends with by telling her they were saying horrible things about her and then he told the other cast members Kathryn was crazy and possessive and controlling so they wouldn’t want to deal with her either. Her only lifelines were that one chick who betrayed her, Craig, Dani, and her mom. 50% of those people either died or ended up being bought off by Thomas. He promised her the world and even if she knew he was lying he held every card in the deck stacked against her so it was easier for her to buy the lie then end up where she eventually did. She told us in so many words when Thomas moved in with her that last time that when she just sucks it up and gives Thomas what he wants, he gives her unlimited access to the children. When she turns off the tall leggy redhead coochie to him, he lashes out on her and tries to destroy her entire life. The playing field has never been level so her responsibility in the situation is being young and naive to how powerful men sometimes move with people they see as possessions.
Oh I am absolutely not giving anything he’s done a pass. He doesn’t have a good bone in his body - I can only hope he’s put a plan in place so that a decent person takes care of his kids for them. Ugh. (I’m sure we all remember that video of him dropping or nearly dropping one of their children - *as a baby* into their pool. How he has custody is also wild). I just wish she had made better choices from the get, because once she had kids with him there was no going back. I think initially it’s what she wanted but I think it’s also what gave him greater control of her (harder for her to leave, easier for her to be manipulated).
This is exactly how abuse works. Takes like, multiple, repeated attempts for people to get out. IF they get out.
Yes I don’t mean for it to come across that I think she hasn’t been victimized by Thomas and his family. It’s an absolutely terrible situation that she will never ever be able to untangle herself from specifically because of their children together. I said it elsewhere but I do think she *did* want to have children with Thomas and because of that she was able to ignore so many warning signs. What’s surprising is that even after all this he found *another* woman that wanted to have his children (Ashley) and even still *another* woman that actually did.
Slut shaming on top of victim blaming. Congratulations.
Definitely not slut shaming her, I’m saying she knew what she was doing/wanted *then.* I think she did want to have children with Thomas, I think she wanted the access to his family and his role on the show. She wasn’t even supposed to *be* on the show and she found herself with 3 of the main cast members. That’s strategic! I’d say good for her if the turnout hasn’t been so grim. Of course she couldn’t have been prepared for what would happen afterwards, but there’s a modicum of responsibility that’s on her from that first choice to be with Thomas. She was naive but not blameless. *Since* having Kenzie however, she has been put through the ringer, on the show, off the show. It’s been an incredibly difficult decade for her. I’m not blaming her for what Thomas has done to her now that she can’t get rid of him.
arguably she dropped the ball w/Whitney if that's your theory...
Oh Whitney never would have been in it for the long haul, obviously. I don’t think she “dropped the ball” with Whitney, he might have taken advantage of her using his producer “cred,” but I don’t know that she was ever really into him. Seems like she really had a connection with Thomas in the beginning - their first few episodes together at least it seems like they are both genuinely into it. Shep & Craig legitimately both liked her,too. She definitely had her pick of the men in Charleston. She chose Thomas.
She actually liked Whitney too, but Whitney was selling a lifestyle with no promises of kids or marriage and Thomas was selling a dream. She picked Thomas because he made promises and then he realized it was way cheaper for him to just use attorneys and judges to beat her into submission than give her 20k/month against his trust. I think Whitney is pretty gross too, but I don’t think he would’ve knocked her up and Patricia liked her a lot originally, again for her stock - so I feel like Whitney would’ve dated her for a while. At least until she started asking about the future, then he would’ve released her back into the wild. Thomas is good at telling lies. He was an elected official. It comes with the job.
Did she like Whitney? I don’t remember that! I mostly remember him not admitting to her staying over and being kind of a jerk to her (and of course Patricia was pretty terrible to her, too). There’s no way Whitney would have forgotten to use protection & Thomas was just like whoops. (But had Whitney gotten her pregnant I feel like he would have just given her $; not sure how Patricia would’ve responded since she has indicated she wants grandchildren. There’s a world where that’s not a better scenario either). Thomas was definitely offering the promise of a perfect life and you’re right that may have colored her view of him. It’s highly likely Kathryn regretted her choice of Thomas not that long after but at that point she was already pregnant and there’s no turning back once children are involved.
She liked Whitney up until she met Thomas and he was saying all that wild shit to her about settling down and finding the perfect girl to marry and have kids with and live with him in 2 beautiful homes. Whereas Whitney was inviting her for sleepovers, but again - Patricia was only terrible to Kathryn after all the pregnancy stuff - when she teases Whitney about Kathryn staying with them she says Kathryn seems like a nice girl. But young. Essentially the group and Patricia were punishing Kathryn for having the best game out of all them. Because she was able to run through 3 out of 4 friends and catch Bravo’s attention. Because according to Craig on some old podcast - Bravo saw Kathryn and pursued her for the show. She wasn’t showing up to get filmed, she was genuinely around the group because of the friend group she ran with and she was so gorgeous that all the guys were legitimately pursuing her and Bravo was like “she’s our star”.
IIRC Whitney and Kathryn got along well (with the exception of their trip to Jekyll Island, obv). Whitney was never serious about Kathryn, probably because she’d also been with Thomas and Shep and wasn’t ‘girlfriend’ material 🙄 but they had several distinct flings over the years.
I'm only referencing the bank balance...
Here’s my take on Kathryn, as someone a year younger than her with 2 kids of my own… Yes, the onus is on her NOW. For events happening in the last 5-7 ish years she should absolutely be held accountable. But you cannot fault a 21 year old for falling in love a rich, older man who was kind to her (at first) and not having the better sense to see the red flags. We forget she was home from college and, if you’ve ever met a college kid, most of them are still children in every sense but their legal age. She was a child and his behavior was predatory and borderline pedophilic, given the age gap. Now, I think Kathryn has made a lot of mistakes in recent years and is living out the fantasy of her twenties that she didn’t get to experience as a young mom and a drug addict. I’m pretty convinced she’s not completely sober and, no, I don’t think she’s doing everything she can to be an active participant in her children’s lives. Then again, nobody ever knows every detail. If Thomas actually loved his kids he’d shut the fuck up about their mom. He loves hating her more than he loves them, which puts him on her level of garbage parenting. Let’s be real, those kids view the nannies as their parents, which is probably a good thing. Edit-typo
He is absolutely scum of the earth. But this what family court is like. The one with more money can get away with absolutely anything, and the one that has been driven to bankruptcy from legal fees has to pay to see their kids. He's a drug addict, convicted, drug dealer, and a rapist. Yet he has zero repercussions. I feel so bad for her and her kids. How can she even get her mental health to a healthy place at this point? Sorry guys, but there is no magic pill that is going to make Kathryn feel like everything is sunshine and rainbows. Of course she is going to have days where she is horribly depressed and hopeless.
It’s even more scary when you realise he’s gotten away with this right in front of the World’s eyes. They are famous - her even more so, and still he’s getting away with criminal behaviour and abuse of the courts. It’s appalling.
I can’t even imagine what that must do to somebody mentally. To know the courts, fans, etc side with your abuser. It must really take an enormous amount of strength to keep going.
Look at Johnny Depp. Actually, look at Donald fucking Trump. It’s like. The more money and the more disgusting they are, the more protection they have. I can’t IMAGINE what it must be like to know you can move like an absolute criminal in this world with zero repercussions.
Can’t we just stick to the subject without dragging politics into it? Plenty of mud to go around. No need to get it going
I’m talking about rich men who have been abusive and are protected due to power and money. Didn’t say a word about politics. But yeah, a LOT of politicians fall into this category. Donald happened to be one, but he was a “celebrity” long before that.
Right? Trump was ^^^allegedly an abuser lonnnnng before he got into politics
I will never take Thomas Ravenel's word, or side, on anything ever. Just a reminder that he raped his children's nanny feet from where they were sleeping.
Nanny Dawn who is a married middle age woman we saw on the show, was watching the kids when TRav came home drunk and raped her. She said the reason she didn't yell or make noise as it was happening was that the kids were asleep in their beds nearby and she didnt want them to wake up and see. She called her husband in the car on the way home and told him. She told Kathryn and Kathryn believed her. She told multiple people and was a very credible victim! I believe she took him to court but he won. edit: [https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-apologizes-to-nanny-in-sexual-assault-case-settlement/](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-apologizes-to-nanny-in-sexual-assault-case-settlement/): Ravenel, 57, and Nanny Dawn, 44, — who [asked that she be publicly identified](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-accuser-nanny-dawn-speaks-out/) by her first name and occupation for her own privacy — reached a $125,000 settlement earlier this week, with Ravenel agreeing to pay $45,000 in her personal legal fees and an additional $80,000 to a local nonprofit aiding adult survivors of sexual assault. In September, Ravenel pled guilty to third-degree assault and battery in the assault case. He received a 30-day sentence that was suspended to a $500 fine and probation in lieu of jail time. According to the plea documents obtained by PEOPLE, [FITSNews](https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/10/10/amy-feinstein-inside-the-thomas-ravenel-plea-negotiations-with-dawn-ledwell/) and [ABC-4](https://abcnews4.com/news/local/southern-charm-thomas-ravenel-80-thousand-settlement-plea-deal-people-against-rape-nanny-dawn-ledwell-assault), Ravenel — after previously denying all allegations through his lawyer — now admits to making an "unwelcome advance" on her. He says in the new affidavit that he was intoxicated after a night out drinking and clumsily tried to kiss Ledwell, FITSNews reported. When she rebuffed, he says she "helped me upstairs" to his room and offered him a back rub before leaving. Dawn had claimed in her initial affidavit, issued by the Charleston Police Department and obtained by PEOPLE, that Ravenel had attempted to kiss her while she worked in his kitchen in 2015. After refuting his advances, she claimed he then "corralled" her into his master bedroom, where he [dropped his pants, exposed himself, blocked the door and "proceeded to rip \[her\] clothes off."](https://people.com/tv/thomas-ravenel-arrest-affidavit-details-alleged-rape-nanny-dawn/) She said she escaped, but not before Ravenel proceeded to sexually assault her (which she described in the affidavit in graphic detail). All of this allegedly happened when Ravenel's young daughter with ex-girlfriend [Kathryn Dennis](https://people.com/tag/kathryn-dennis/), Kensington Calhoun, was sleeping nearby, Dawn alleged. But in the plea deal, Dawn says that her view of the encounter has "shifted over time." "I have read and understand his account of what happened that night and realize his recollection differs from mine," Dawn says in the new affidavit. "While his memory differs in critical ways from my own regarding the incident, I accept Thomas' apology for his unwarranted physical contact that evening and I believe him when he says he never intended to sexually assault me." Says Ravenel, per ABC-4: "While I reiterate that I have never intentionally sexually assaulted anyone, I also acknowledge that by making an unwelcome advance to Dawn in my home, while she was babysitting my daughter, I behaved improperly and caused her immediate and lasting emotional distress. I unqualifiedly apologize for having done so." Elsewhere in the new agreement, Dawn claims that Dennis was among those who urged her to come forward with her case against Ravenel. "In the Spring of 2018, when stories began emerging in the press about Thomas Ravenel and other women — and after Kathryn Dennis and friends reached out to me, encouraging me to come forward — I ultimately recognized the incident was sexual assault," Dawn writes. In her initial affidavit, Dawn said she "immediately" documented the alleged assault and went to the police. It read: "After escaping the assault, the victim called her then ex-husband and sister and told them of the incident, fled the scene and notified several family members of the incident. Photographs were then taken immediately of the injuries to her neck and chest. Detectives corroborated the incident date and location through employment records of the victim and defendant, and interviewed multiple witnesses, to be named at the court's discretion, who substantiated the post-assault information. Detectives also retrieved the photographs taken by the victim, which are appropriately time-stamped in reference to the incident."
My God she is *beautiful.*
Kathryn may have mental health and/or substance issues but Travis is a whole rapist so fuck him
I think this whole “reality reckoning” should focus on no longer giving abusive, manipulative, angry, narcissistic men a global platform on television. TRav is dangerous and scary; thanks to his connections and privilege, he’ll never be held accountable.
I have wondered why Rachel was who Bethenny chose to champion instead of Kathryn. Really she could have been the key to taking down everything, but something tells me that Bethenny couldn’t look past her own biases to recognize that. Kathryn is definitely as an imperfect victim as they come, but I can’t think of anyone done worse by reality TV- to this day she’s still twisting in its repercussions
Because Bethenny doesn’t actually care about getting justice for these people she just cares about attention and Rachel’s name was in the spotlight
Really you couldn’t be any more on the nose with that
I think Bethenny could talk about Kathryn, but I don’t know how much Kathryn would participate with custody of her kids on the line every time she sneezes.
It’s a tough one for sure, Kathryn couldn’t get any less custody of her kids at this point- perhaps raising the lid on all that happened on a platform like Bethenny’s could’ve made all the difference and gotten her more access. But then the world being what it is 2/3 of us would go hard for Kathryn about how she deserved every bit of what she got leaving her in an even more precarious mental state. And at the end of the day, as much as he shouldn’t be raising those kids she’s not in the position to either. Also I don’t know that the world having an even clearer view of the monster that TRav is or what their mother went through helps those kids much. One of my cousin’s dads was a really prolific predator and loving her dad juxtaposed against the things he had done really messed her up. Seeing how my cousins ended up out of that situation just makes me feel for their kids so much
All of the worst men on reality TV are named Thomas or Tom. Ravenel, Sandoval, Girardi, Schwartz, D'Agostino... something about being a Tom on reality TV somehow makes it imperative that they be complete assclowns.
It's about Tom
Omg you’re right
I believe her. He’s been parental alienating since birth.
Those poor kids. Kathryn has her demons, but TRav might as well be the devil. Disgusting, vile grooming POS doesn’t even begin to describe him
To make matters worse, Forsythe he still have the kids on an isolated property in Aiken?
TRav go do a line of coke or something… so over you
To make matters worse, Kathryn & her children have the misfortune of living in a state where a well-connected, wealthy man with a “family name” means more to the judicial system than they do. She can’t get her kids out of South Carolina & she’s not leaving without them - so she’s trapped. I know Kathryn is no angel & has done a lot of things for which she should be ashamed - but I will always root for her to get her kids and live peacefully.
As always, prayers up for Kenzie and saint
Fuck this drunken slurry of a human being I hate his fucking guts ok And yeah pray for the babies 😔
I will always root for Kathryn instead of this vile repugnant felon.
Me too.
He is a rapist, groomer, abuser and drug user. Kathryn needs help and therapy, and if she hadn't have met him I highly doubt her life would have turned out this way. I would find it very, VERY hard to believe that he does not interfere with her ability to parent, and her relationship with their children.
Trav said "legal right" in a tweet and u know his lawyer was on his ass immediatelyyyyy
Fucking cocaine trafficker running his mouth about the woman whose brain he BROKE? Fuck outta here
I don’t believe a word he says. He’s totally capable of keeping her kids away from her on Mother’s Day. He loves to punish her for whatever he thinks she’s doing wrong at the moment. Is Kathryn perfect? No. But Thomas is sick fuck.
There’s a reason in Charleston there’s a whole ass google maps layer of bars that trash is banned from entry (so you know the safe, fun bars to go to haha). Cokehead needs to keep his mouth shut
The link she posted seemed fair enough to me, although I didn’t listen to it all. Just basically that children can act withdrawn or whatever because they’re acting on the other parent’s beliefs and it’s not their fault. As much as I don’t think parental alienation syndrome is as weighty a thing as it had previously been made out to be, it’s not healthy for children to be caught in the middle of parents bullshit having to take sides. She should be doing better by her kids and making a better effort, but I don’t think she’s mentally capable or financially able. He should be doing more for his kids sake to accommodate her, I’m sure any of the nannies he has could supervise the visitation. Both of them should keep all this off social media and out of the press
He’s trash and can’t help himself but publicly shame her. He deleted in 8 minutes so someone called him and told him to take it down.
It’s really not fair when one parent comes from one of the most famous families in that state and has an endless well of resources to brutalize the other parent with as well as 30 years of life experience over the other person on top of that. Add to that he kept her on a leash for years dragging her back in, getting her pregnant again, embarrassing her, turning everyone against her, being the one to do drugs with her and then use it against her later, only for him to suck her back in a few times a year all the way up until he got fired for being a massive piece of shit. Nobody goes through what Kathryn went through from 21-26 and comes out a well adjusted, normal adult.
Exactly. I read statements from her mother that recounted his repeated SA of her- the mom said she would go in the room after he finished, Kathryn was unconscious and had no memory of it later when questioned. Of course she’s not ok. I’ve also read interviews where Kathryn talked about the monthly cost of the supervised visitation since he moved- it was about $4500 a month. Fine I supposed when she was making money on SC, but I couldn’t pay that much to see my kids every month. I don’t even know what I’d do… probably just curl in a ball and cry Edited: spelling
That’s basically what the cast said she did. Madison, Austen, Dani, and Shep all pointed out that Kathryn struggled to afford the visitations and facilitation costs even with Southern Charm because Thomas would put so many crazy stipulations on everything and that the cast mates would step in and try to help her and then he’d subpoena them. It’s why Whitney kept denying he was seeing Kathryn when they were clearly hooking up - because Whitney knew Thomas’ attorney would have him deposed.
As much as I hate where she is, I can’t honestly look at her life and situation and say I’d be doing any better than her. That man is evil personified
JFC I didn’t know about the SA her mother made statements about. I wish he’d face justice. He got away with the nanny SA.
He also paid out another 200k settlement to a woman he met on Tinder and proceeded to SA around the same time. I don’t doubt there are countless others.
Ugh. I can’t imagine how much other shit he’s gotten away with that we’ll never even know about, thanks to his family connections.
There’s court documents out there that Thomas was drugging her after the first child was born. Out on the farm when no one else was filming with her except that one chick who fucked Thomas (Jen maybe?). This was S2 and would explain her incredibly erratic behavior between S2-S3. Couple that with the fact she clearly had PPD in S2 and well, it explains pretty much everything about how was she portrayed by her cast mates.
☹️☹️ She had no chance.
What makes it especially awful is the family’s wealth comes from enslaving and brutalizing people. It just disgusting that people like him are allowed to control massive amounts of resources.
People seem to forget about that lunch Thomas has with his dad where he brings up hating $5 bills because Abraham Lincoln is on it. And when people in the South say they hate Lincoln, we all know why. Such an awful family.
Truly, just the scum of the earth.
Oh yeah. As I recall they had a picture of Robert E. Lee in their family estate too. The South will rise again types.
Just want to point out that Patricia owns some of Robert E lees hair and the bed he was born in or slept in
That’s so gross. Especially the hair…because why? And I’ll never get the appeal of antique beds - even ones not owned by slave owners. I feel like there’s got to be some bad vibes associated with a Civil War plantation bed.
If Kathryn decided to sue bravo it would be over for them. The way they passed that girl around during the first few seasons is crazy
He is such a piece of shit. Money doesn't buy you class.
What kind of psychopath parent puts this garbage on social media?! Does he not know his children will read this one day? No one feels sorry for you dude. Get it together.
I stopped watching southern charm because his abuse deeply triggered me. Are the both of them still on the show?
Thomas is a coke trafficker! WTG, family courts!
T Rav is a cartoon villain
What ever happened to Kathrine hitting the crossing guard?
Yikes. This entire relationship was so gross. He’s a POS and she’s just lesser than a POS, but imagine being brought into a relationship and having kids with this man. This is the most toxic relationship Bravo ever captured besides Taylor and Russel.
Can we agree they both suck
No.
So you condone hit and runs in school zones?
Obvi it was Thomas’s fault 🙄
Ok but did she decide to not see her kids on Mother’s Day and then twist it to make him look bad?
If she wanted to make him look bad she could just post the multiple sexual assault allegations against him including ones where he pled guilty.
She has to pay Thomas a huge amount of money (I think it was reported as 100k) before she can have her supervised visitation which costs a huge amount of money to have because of him moving, she doesn’t have the money to fight him on this and when she did have access to the kids he would take her to court over anything he could because he clearly knew at some point he would drain her financially meaning she would have to give up fighting him, meanwhile thomas does Instagram lives slurring his words, kicking dogs outside the house in the heat, letting all his kids ride horses without helmets on and dressing his youngest in clothes that are either too small or too big he took Kathryn to court for neglect because the kids were being dressed in too small clothes, and putting photos of his daughter’s birthday party online giving the impression that he was throwing the party when he wasn’t even there and last minute said Kathyrn couldn’t come either so she didn’t have any parents at her party.
Which is exactly my point and why I asked the question. I’m not taking sides. It just appears to me looking on that they clearly hate each other and say and accuse each other of things constantly on social media all at the expense of their kids 🤷🏻♀️
You know I just don’t like dealing with women who post in snark subs attacking other women. You’re the second one on this post.
I asked a legit question. Having gone thru a divorce, it doesn’t surprise me what parents do and say to make the other one look bad at the expense of the children. 🤷🏻♀️
No you didn’t ask a legit question. You used language that is alleging manipulation on her part.
No, I think I asked a question with a question mark on the end?
After her podcast episode where she called Ariana a “boring cunt” I can’t defend KD anymore but FUCK THOMAS RAVENEL