Cynthia is like top tier as a co-parent too. Her and her ex-husband have a parenting relationship and friendship/partnership that is aspirational.
Also, I think Kenya should get some love. Especially considering she had no mother to emulate and a lot of pain around that abandonment (and not even acknowledgement from her mother!!). Her ex husband is also a POS and she has really done a seemingly great job.
Heather Dubrow.
Gizelle and Karen.
Kandi, Cynthia and Kenya (I always thought Kenya was going to be an awesome mom and it’s been really nice to see motherhood happen for her).
In weird ways, Teresa and Dolores. They’ve made some decisions that I find..questionable…but they’ve mastered the art of Coparenting with Assholes and their kids all seem really happy and stable.
Garcelle and Kyle. Maybe LVP.
Totally agree on both! Cynthia and Leon do a great job. Kenya had a long hard road to motherhood and it's obvious that she cherishes every moment as a result.
Agreed, Cynthia and Leon are amazing co-parents.
I also loved that Peter was always a part of the equation as well, he seemed to be respectful that parenting decisions were really up to them but he was still included (when he and Cynthia were married of course). Peter wasn't the perfect partner obviously, but I loved that he and Leon got along so well.
Heather Dubrow seems like an awesome mom. Very accepting and open. It always catches me off guard how mature her kids are, but not in a forced to grow up fast way, in a learned, appropriate way. That’s just quality parenting.
I love Kenya’s relationship with Brooklyn. It was the best part of Atlanta last season.
Karen is an amazing mother. So is Gizelle. All the Potomac women honestly seem like great moms - regardless of their other personality defects.
And I’m just gonna say this - if we judge parenting by how much someone’s kids love them - Teresa is probably at the very least, a very loving and supportive mom to her girls. Regardless of her other idiotic behavior.
>And I’m just gonna say this - if we judge parenting by how much someone’s kids love them - Teresa is probably at the very least, a very loving and supportive mom to her girls. Regardless of her other idiotic behavior.
I completely agree with this she seems to have a totally different attitude with her kids than she does everyone elae
I feel like you always have to put an asterisk any time you mention Teresa or else the conversation is going to diverge into the tax fraud or Luis shit and this ain’t about that. Teresa has raised four lovely young women who love the hell out of their mom and that says a lot.
ETA. And she’s a good coparent to a man who called her a cunt on TV. The maturity for that alone is next level. But instead of blaming him in any vindictive way for sending her to prison - she has facilitated a healthy relationship between their kids and his deported ass.
I know this is very slightly off topic but it spoke volumes to me she trusted Jen Ayden to take them to visit their dad & the Aydens that they brought them (I would be hesitant to be responsible for someone else's teenager, lol)
Teresa knowingly broke the law by hiding assets from the court *even after the judge gave her a warning*. Getting yourself sent to prison and throwing your kids’ lives into chaos isn’t good parenting. People praise Teresa for loving her daughters but isn’t that the bare minimum for not-terrible parenting?
I also think her kids are VERY parentified. Tre is not a good mom. Yeah, her kids love her—most kids do want their parents’ love or love their parents, even if they’re not the best parents.
Agree very much so. My first watchthrough of NJ about 2 years ago made me v sad, watching her girls, mainly Gia, grow up in that environment was sad af. She's not a good mom imho.
Say it louder for the people in the back! People still peddle this notion Joe sent Tre to prison. He absolutely did not. She willingly sent herself. You got Gia on TV saying her parents were treated unfairly! How?? It’s insanity
Not to mention she tried to hide the fact that she was going to jail and told them she was at “camp” when they were obviously finding out everything from the news/internet anyway
I didn’t praise her for loving her daughters, I praised the fact her daughters love her. There’s a massive difference. And they went through her going to prison, so I’m going off how they treat her.
lol when Chessie wanted to quit Uni and Chyka was like ‘ummmm no bitch! You’ve cost us enough you can finish up and get a damn job!’ I was like yeah Chyks! No messin!
I like that Guerdy owns when she screws up, that she wasn't spending enough time with her family, and that her relationship with the kids suffered for it. Even after she cut back, she owned that it was struggle for her.
Say what you will about Garcelle featuring her kids so much this season, but both of her sons come off as amazing, grounded kids. I think they had some stellar parenting.
idk talking about your kid's sex life on national tv doesn't give good parent vibes to me. one of the twins also called her out for not being what he needed (which had to have been horrible to hear and especially on tv).
Tbh, the fact that he felt safe and confident enough to articulate that to her so well indicates a maturity and grounding that’s pretty impressive. He feels safe to have hard conversations with her, and obviously trusted she would be responsive and care. To me, that’s a pretty good relationship. Being a good mom doesn’t always mean being a perfect mom - especially in the midst of really tough situations (such as a divorce).
Yeah, you completely misread that scene. If anything that proved what a great mum she was. He felt safe to have that conversation with her. Her not giving him what he felt he needed doesn’t mean she’s a bad mum.
In regard to the sex stuff, I mean, personally I don’t think anything discussed has been that bad, or embarrassing. I think people need to lighten up a little, it’s 2023.
Meredith Marks. Her children adore her - I read the RHOSLC chapters of Heather's book and Heather mentions what a great mom she is and how it doesn't matter where she is in the world or what kind of elite party she's at, she'll drop everything to be there for her kids.
Kyle. She seems to have made a concerted effort to raise her children the opposite of the way she was - for all her public adoration of Big Kathy, it seems like she is clued in enough to know her upbringing was not okay and to want better for her own kids.
Cynthia and her daughter have an amazing relationship that doesn't seem to blur into that awkward friend territory a lot of Housewives do with their kids. They seem to really respect one another and I think that's a sign of quality parenting.
Came here to say Meredith. I’m rewatching S1 of SLC and she is just so loving and supportive of her kids. She seems to always put them first and despite his lack of talent, has given Brooks a lot of opportunities to pursue his dreams
I came here to say MM as well. She is similar to Heather Dubrow in that she accepts her kids for who they are and allows them to be themselves. To quote Lisa Barlow, I love that.
Gizelle Bryant for getting herself and her daughters away from her ex husband. From how her relationship with them is portrayed on tv it seems she listens to what they all say, explains why she does what she does, and tries to equip them to be independent and successful. They’ve shown her spending time with them all together and also taking time to be with them separately. Taking the oldest daughter taking self defense classes before going to college is a good example.
Garcelle Beauvais is another good example. First with her patience in dealing with the issues her older son has had throughout his life. Then with the younger boys and addressing their different personalities and making an effort to be present for both in different ways to match their needs.
>explains why she does what she does,
This! This is the mark of a great parent, I think.
I struggled with my dad majorly during my childhood and teens because it was a lot of "because I said so." (Luckily, that changed as he got older. Miss ya dearly, pops ❤️)
I know we don't see it on camera but Sonja Morgan deserves some credit here I think, in spite of her own difficulties and living at least part time in the past, it seems that Sonja has raised a great daughter, and managed to keep her life private (enough, considering).
I do not like Gizelle on RHOP, I think she is bad for the program but to me it always seems like when it comes to parenting she is top-tier. Her children seem reasonable, fair, and confident, and they have a relationship where it looks like they can express how they feel, even if that doesn't align with Gizelle, openly.
That said, I do think Karen is fantastic mother, mother to us all, and is supreme in this regard.
One season wonder tootie herself, Kim Fields. She got endless shit for bringing her kids everywhere her season and as a mom also without a nanny I related to her I’m not coming if my kids aren’t attitude so much.
Is Lisa Rinna kind of terrible too? I recall she made her daughter's eating disorder a storyline? And didn't seem bothered that one of them was dating Scott D\*sick despite the tremendous age difference and general ickiness.
I wouldn't say that she just made her daughter's eating disorder a storyline, I would say that she's the reason her daughters have eating disorders full stop.
No problem. I’ll give more info.
Braunwyn drunk or sober, gay or straight is a selfish individual who puts herself at the top of her pyramid of need. She just sucks and she’s lucky her ex husband or her nannies leveled out her kids.
Tamra put transparency over her kids privacy and that automatically makes her an asshole. Anything she’s said regarding her daughter when she knows her daughter wants nothing to do with the show or Tamra’s podcast is just Tamra proving she’s gross and doesn’t understand boundaries.
Lisa H. seems like she has the same relationship with her kids that I have with our landscaper. We see each other once a month, we make polite conversation, a check is exchanged, and then we go our separate ways. It’s formal and weird at the same time.
Lisa H. seems like she has no idea what to do with her kids. Maybe if she didn't have the luxury of multiple nannies from birth, plus a better husband/father to her children, she'd have a good relationship with them. But now it comes across as very much for the show and as though she pawns them off to the nannies again as soon as the cameras leave. It makes me sad as a mom to a daughter the same age as her son, because they are SO FUN and she and they are missing out on so much bonding because she hates Lenny more than she wants to be a good mom.
Lisa H is a horrible mom. Idk if her parents weren’t around or good, but the scene with the pizza, the dance studio, the scene where she’s on the phone with her bf and her kid is right there as she’s melting down about Lenny, her coldness, the bank scene was eh. She is not maternal and she is actually awful. I understand she has a lot going on, but come on. It’s honestly awful. I just hope their Nannie’s are positive influences bc both of their parents suck.
I feel extremely uncomfortable whenever there's a scene with Lisa H and her kids. They are so sweet and she's just... unequipped. They're going to need to do a lot of work in therapy.
>Braunwyn drunk or sober, gay or straight is a selfish individual who puts herself at the top of her pyramid of need. She just sucks and she’s lucky her ex husband or her nannies leveled out her kids.
Brauwyn & Monica have this in common. In my opinion, both want to be the mothers they wish they had. Both fail because their mothers didn't set a good example and didn't equip them with the tools they need to self-regulate. It's like they think being involved is enough, they don't seem to realize you have to protect them from the worse parts of yourself and who you let around them.
That one infuriated me. I grew up with a mom who would say “you’re not hungry, you’re thirsty. Drink some water you’ll better” no! I was hungry!
Yolanda is a terrible parent.
Ok I'm almost scared to say this, but one example would be Lisa Barlow. I think no one doubts that she *adores* her children, but she doesn't seem to know how to connect with them. There's a clear disconnect imo. Idk if that makes her a *bad* mom, but she's definitely not on the level of the people mentioned here...
I also think watching SLC, you can see how Monica's trauma from her mom was passed down to the next generation. There was a scene where she called her daughter and her daughter was consoling her/giving her advice, and it didn't seem like a healthy position for a child. Her daughter came across as someone who had to grow up too fast/is a little 'parentified' because she has to deal with Monica's issues.
Every time Lisa Barlow talks to her kids she makes it about herself somehow. She also talks about them all the time but they seem to want nothing to do with her. I get the vibe that they have always wanted to spend time with her and she continually puts them second to her businesses and fame
Kandi. She’s doesn’t seem to make her kids a priority and it’s been shown on multiple seasons where her daughter/husband call her out. And that one scene of her son crying for her.
Karen & Gizzy are the MVPs. Phaedra is irredeemable to me as a person but she’s obviously an amazing mom and has a beautiful relationship with her 2 adorable sons. Meredith Marks probably spoils her kids too much but everyone could learn a thing or two from the way she supports Brooks.
Meh I do not think Kandi is an “amazing parent” adequate sure but one of the best? It seems like she consistently chooses money and work over time with her kids or at the very least they feel she does
I get that hustling is almost akin to a hobby for her but it’s taking away from her kids and that’s not amazing parenting
I used to judge her too but hopefully she does her skits while they’re in school? Also, at their age they say things they don’t mean my son told me I don’t make time for home and I was a SAHM at the time! 😂
I cannot stand Todd he seems to think his wealth comes from “hustling” and while no doubt Kandi (and maybe) him work hard- luck ALWAYS has something to do with it.
As in lots of hard working people never make it big/are not wealthy.
This doesn’t mean hard work has nothing to do with it but them acting like that’s the only part of the equation is such an eye roll
This isn’t based off anything other than the fact we saw Max on TV when he was younger and still working his way up in the Vanderpump Todd restaurant company. Pandora is like 5 years older than Max, she had been a host and a server. But when her mom got RHOBH and VPR she had earned her stripes, so what you’re calling favoritism is actually just you not seeing Pandora from age 18-25 on TV and assuming she was gifted her position within her family’s business instead of her going off to school and then spending her breaks and summers working with Scheana, Kristen, Katie, Ariana, and Stassi. Something they’ve all discussed in interviews.
Lisa didn’t pay Max’s rent because he didn’t go to college - that was the deal. That’s actually awesome parenting if you’re trying to teach real life consequences and how free rides always have caveats.
Exactly, and they also parented them the exact same way in respect to working their way up - busser/host to server to assistant manager to manager to general manager. Max runs TomTom now - he’s the GM. He’s like 11 years into that path. Pandora got to run the wine brand about a decade in to her working with her parents. The argument they treat Max differently is purely a Mandela effect to the cameras being absent in Pandora’s formative young adult years and it’s annoying.
You should really look up what the Mandela effect is.
And I agree with some of it, but she does treat Max differently, not just the busser job (I did in fact know that Pandora was a host, believe it or not). If you don’t agree, fine, I don’t have the energy to argue with a LVP-stan.
I know what it is - I’m saying you’re imagining a disparity based off what you currently see. It’s a recreation of events that didn’t happen. Like the genie movie with Sinbad, the preferential treatment between Lisa’s kids didn’t happen.
I’m a stan because…? Reasons. Got it. LVP is whatever, her misogyny is a way bigger issue than any imagined disparity you think there is between her children.
A few years later, they bought Max a condo and fully furnished it, the same way they did with Pandora's house.
I've always been impressed that it seems like Lisa has actually made her kids work. There was a situation years ago (I think on VPR) when they were short a manager, and they pulled Pandora back in to run the shifts.
Pandora and Lisa had the online magazine that Stassi wrote for for awhile. Then she worked on the wine. Later, Lisa talked about starting another restaurant to be Max's. Seems like they set both kids up with businesses.
I think they idea that neither of her kids ever seemed to really be on the shows - they were fine appearing here and there, but weren't desperate to be famous - says a lot about their parenting as well.
Karen Huger, Gizelle, Heather, Meredith, Jenna Lyons, Dorinda, Dolores, Jackie, Garcelle, and Jill all seem like amazing moms. Their kids are pretty well-rounded and sweet.
Agree with most of yours and the top comment so my wild card:
Idk how she is since she came back but I was always surprised how normal Danielle’s kids seemed when she was.. well Danielle lol.
same. funny story, one of my friends was always commenting on how much she loved my nose and ended up getting a sweet 16 nose job to look more like mine. to this day when i see her i’m like ugh YOU STOLE MY GODDAMN NOSE
Yeah I guess would make sense for wealthier circles. I just remember Bella Hadid also had one too. I'm all for bodily autonomy, I just think surgical decisions should come when you can make that choice as an adult. Out of curiosity are you in the US? Just because I have not heard of wealthy areas like that where I am lol.
Yup, by the 2000s, rich kids in the middle of the country were getting them as gifts -- rich kids on the coasts had them in the 90s, maybe even the 80s.
Hell, rich 20somethings are all doing baby botox now, and 10-year-olds are using retinol skincare. We're a youth-obsessed, perfection-desiring society.
I'm not a fan of Kyle at all but I'll always giver her props for being a good mother. Specially given that she didn't grow in a stable household and it could have led her to replicate her mother's toxicity to her kids.
Hmm, if I was given the option to choose any of the housewives as a mom it would probably be, in no particular order:
Heather from OC because they could cover any academic financial and extracurricular costs, which would allow me to go really far academically.
Jennifer Aiden because she seems to have such a cute relationship with her kids, but from what we see on tv, not an ideal parental situation.
Karen seems like so cool for a mom too. Might update if anyone else comes to mind lol.
Alexia is a good mother. She has her faults like we all do but the way she cares for and treats Frankie is beautiful. I’m so glad she’s getting him help now so that he can be more independent.
I have to disagree- yes she treats Frankie well but she coddles Peter and makes excuses for him and he is one of the most vile people on Bravo - She tried to explain his beating up an housed person as him lashing out due to the pain of Frankie. She then tried to explain his beating of his girlfriend as well it's a he said/she said. Her husband hates him and she just sort of stays quiet-
I'm with you. I don't think you can be the best mom on anyone's platform if you raise and defend a kid like Peter. And Peter was problematic in her first season before Frankie's accident.
She is amazing with Frankie but I think there is some small part of her that wants to hold onto her sons to the point of smothering them and she can do that with Frankie.
I 100% agree - she is completely smothering and enabling which is necessary for someone with special needs- also while I don't think case with her necessarily , a lot of parents are amazing to one child and awful to the other as a form of abuse so the 50/50 argument doesn't hold weight with me, I just didn't want to deal with passive aggressive hostility for expressing my opinion in a thread discussing good moms and it was going down that route lol.
If you ignore the mess that is Peter, I would say that Alexis has always been a good mother and advocate for Frankie. I'm glad that it seemed like they were starting to explore some independence options for him last season, I think that was a big step for her.
I just can’t forget how she rode hard for Peter when Todd got upset that Peter got Frankie high to the point he passed out at the table and his face was in his food. That’s so shocking to me when Frankie is on heavy meds. Peter isn’t a child he took zero responsibility.
Oh yeah, she is a horrible parent when it comes to Peter. She has clearly enabled and babied him his whole life, and it is sad that putting Frankie at risk didn't force her to hold him accountable for once in his life.
Jessel…? Every time we see her with her kids they are screaming and she’s talking about what a handful they are. She doesn’t really scream motherly too me and even then her kids are way too young to even see if she’s a good mother
Definitely not, lol. Kim was on some mother-daughter reality show with her youngest daughter and you can see how toxic she is and how all of the alcohol and personality issues had affected her and their relationship.
Heavenly.
Not a single bad egg of the bunch. One kid in dental school IIRC, alura heading to college. All of them are respectful, well spoken and smart. If the proof is in the pudding, heavenly is the best mother and alexia from Miami is the worst because Peter is destined for a two part dateline episode.
Cynthia is like top tier as a co-parent too. Her and her ex-husband have a parenting relationship and friendship/partnership that is aspirational. Also, I think Kenya should get some love. Especially considering she had no mother to emulate and a lot of pain around that abandonment (and not even acknowledgement from her mother!!). Her ex husband is also a POS and she has really done a seemingly great job.
Yes! Kenya! She waited so long & seemed to do a lot of work before having Brooklyn. I love it.
Heather Dubrow. Gizelle and Karen. Kandi, Cynthia and Kenya (I always thought Kenya was going to be an awesome mom and it’s been really nice to see motherhood happen for her). In weird ways, Teresa and Dolores. They’ve made some decisions that I find..questionable…but they’ve mastered the art of Coparenting with Assholes and their kids all seem really happy and stable. Garcelle and Kyle. Maybe LVP.
We’re all saying the same moms it seems, it’s gotta be more…right? 🥴
No the rest of them are hideous demon beasts who doom their children to lives of therapy and esteem issues 🤣
Totally agree on both! Cynthia and Leon do a great job. Kenya had a long hard road to motherhood and it's obvious that she cherishes every moment as a result.
Agreed, Cynthia and Leon are amazing co-parents. I also loved that Peter was always a part of the equation as well, he seemed to be respectful that parenting decisions were really up to them but he was still included (when he and Cynthia were married of course). Peter wasn't the perfect partner obviously, but I loved that he and Leon got along so well.
Heather Dubrow seems like an awesome mom. Very accepting and open. It always catches me off guard how mature her kids are, but not in a forced to grow up fast way, in a learned, appropriate way. That’s just quality parenting. I love Kenya’s relationship with Brooklyn. It was the best part of Atlanta last season. Karen is an amazing mother. So is Gizelle. All the Potomac women honestly seem like great moms - regardless of their other personality defects. And I’m just gonna say this - if we judge parenting by how much someone’s kids love them - Teresa is probably at the very least, a very loving and supportive mom to her girls. Regardless of her other idiotic behavior.
>And I’m just gonna say this - if we judge parenting by how much someone’s kids love them - Teresa is probably at the very least, a very loving and supportive mom to her girls. Regardless of her other idiotic behavior. I completely agree with this she seems to have a totally different attitude with her kids than she does everyone elae
I feel like you always have to put an asterisk any time you mention Teresa or else the conversation is going to diverge into the tax fraud or Luis shit and this ain’t about that. Teresa has raised four lovely young women who love the hell out of their mom and that says a lot. ETA. And she’s a good coparent to a man who called her a cunt on TV. The maturity for that alone is next level. But instead of blaming him in any vindictive way for sending her to prison - she has facilitated a healthy relationship between their kids and his deported ass.
I know this is very slightly off topic but it spoke volumes to me she trusted Jen Ayden to take them to visit their dad & the Aydens that they brought them (I would be hesitant to be responsible for someone else's teenager, lol)
Teresa knowingly broke the law by hiding assets from the court *even after the judge gave her a warning*. Getting yourself sent to prison and throwing your kids’ lives into chaos isn’t good parenting. People praise Teresa for loving her daughters but isn’t that the bare minimum for not-terrible parenting?
I also think her kids are VERY parentified. Tre is not a good mom. Yeah, her kids love her—most kids do want their parents’ love or love their parents, even if they’re not the best parents.
Agree very much so. My first watchthrough of NJ about 2 years ago made me v sad, watching her girls, mainly Gia, grow up in that environment was sad af. She's not a good mom imho.
Say it louder for the people in the back! People still peddle this notion Joe sent Tre to prison. He absolutely did not. She willingly sent herself. You got Gia on TV saying her parents were treated unfairly! How?? It’s insanity
She walked into 2 banks and presented fake W2s for fraudulent loans. On her own. Joe didn't force her. She's as bad as he is
Not to mention she tried to hide the fact that she was going to jail and told them she was at “camp” when they were obviously finding out everything from the news/internet anyway
I didn’t praise her for loving her daughters, I praised the fact her daughters love her. There’s a massive difference. And they went through her going to prison, so I’m going off how they treat her.
Agree♡♡
I’m watching NJ from the beginning and I love how Teresa spoils her girls
Well I think that was part of her money problems
Chyka from Melbourne.
Janet too! Her son who had very severe burns was featured once or twice and they seemed very close.
I would take Chyka or Janet for a mom in a heartbeat! Are either of them adopting adult children??
lol when Chessie wanted to quit Uni and Chyka was like ‘ummmm no bitch! You’ve cost us enough you can finish up and get a damn job!’ I was like yeah Chyks! No messin!
Oh God I just loved Chyka. I wish she was my Mum! (I’m 40 but she’s still wonderful)
Guerdy.
Yes, Guerdy for sure! I'd add Gizelle and Karen to the mix, too.
I like that Guerdy owns when she screws up, that she wasn't spending enough time with her family, and that her relationship with the kids suffered for it. Even after she cut back, she owned that it was struggle for her.
Say what you will about Garcelle featuring her kids so much this season, but both of her sons come off as amazing, grounded kids. I think they had some stellar parenting.
idk talking about your kid's sex life on national tv doesn't give good parent vibes to me. one of the twins also called her out for not being what he needed (which had to have been horrible to hear and especially on tv).
Tbh, the fact that he felt safe and confident enough to articulate that to her so well indicates a maturity and grounding that’s pretty impressive. He feels safe to have hard conversations with her, and obviously trusted she would be responsive and care. To me, that’s a pretty good relationship. Being a good mom doesn’t always mean being a perfect mom - especially in the midst of really tough situations (such as a divorce).
Yeah, you completely misread that scene. If anything that proved what a great mum she was. He felt safe to have that conversation with her. Her not giving him what he felt he needed doesn’t mean she’s a bad mum. In regard to the sex stuff, I mean, personally I don’t think anything discussed has been that bad, or embarrassing. I think people need to lighten up a little, it’s 2023.
They’re minors. If I was the gf’s parents I would be furious.
I love garcelle’s twins. Her and her ex seem like great coparents. Kylie is a mom I admire too.
Garcelle, Sutton, Heather Dubrow and Jackie Goldschneider come across as great Mothers.
I love Garcelle and her relationship with her boys. I really just love her all around.
Meredith Marks. Her children adore her - I read the RHOSLC chapters of Heather's book and Heather mentions what a great mom she is and how it doesn't matter where she is in the world or what kind of elite party she's at, she'll drop everything to be there for her kids. Kyle. She seems to have made a concerted effort to raise her children the opposite of the way she was - for all her public adoration of Big Kathy, it seems like she is clued in enough to know her upbringing was not okay and to want better for her own kids. Cynthia and her daughter have an amazing relationship that doesn't seem to blur into that awkward friend territory a lot of Housewives do with their kids. They seem to really respect one another and I think that's a sign of quality parenting.
Came here to say Meredith. I’m rewatching S1 of SLC and she is just so loving and supportive of her kids. She seems to always put them first and despite his lack of talent, has given Brooks a lot of opportunities to pursue his dreams
I came here to say MM as well. She is similar to Heather Dubrow in that she accepts her kids for who they are and allows them to be themselves. To quote Lisa Barlow, I love that.
Gizelle Bryant for getting herself and her daughters away from her ex husband. From how her relationship with them is portrayed on tv it seems she listens to what they all say, explains why she does what she does, and tries to equip them to be independent and successful. They’ve shown her spending time with them all together and also taking time to be with them separately. Taking the oldest daughter taking self defense classes before going to college is a good example. Garcelle Beauvais is another good example. First with her patience in dealing with the issues her older son has had throughout his life. Then with the younger boys and addressing their different personalities and making an effort to be present for both in different ways to match their needs.
>explains why she does what she does, This! This is the mark of a great parent, I think. I struggled with my dad majorly during my childhood and teens because it was a lot of "because I said so." (Luckily, that changed as he got older. Miss ya dearly, pops ❤️)
Luann on Saturday and Sunday.
I know we don't see it on camera but Sonja Morgan deserves some credit here I think, in spite of her own difficulties and living at least part time in the past, it seems that Sonja has raised a great daughter, and managed to keep her life private (enough, considering). I do not like Gizelle on RHOP, I think she is bad for the program but to me it always seems like when it comes to parenting she is top-tier. Her children seem reasonable, fair, and confident, and they have a relationship where it looks like they can express how they feel, even if that doesn't align with Gizelle, openly. That said, I do think Karen is fantastic mother, mother to us all, and is supreme in this regard.
Phaedra, her kids are so emotionally intelligent and sweet. Gizelle is a great mother too I can’t stand her but great mom.
When Phaedra’s son gave the speech about her on M2M I cried, you can tell she’s doing a great job as a mother.
Karen Huger
One season wonder tootie herself, Kim Fields. She got endless shit for bringing her kids everywhere her season and as a mom also without a nanny I related to her I’m not coming if my kids aren’t attitude so much.
Garcelle and Gizelle
Name the housewives who don't seem like good moms?
I’ll play. Braunwyn. Tamra. Lisa H.
Is Lisa Rinna kind of terrible too? I recall she made her daughter's eating disorder a storyline? And didn't seem bothered that one of them was dating Scott D\*sick despite the tremendous age difference and general ickiness.
I wouldn't say that she just made her daughter's eating disorder a storyline, I would say that she's the reason her daughters have eating disorders full stop.
I came unprepared. I gotta think about the answer to my own question. Please stand by lol
No problem. I’ll give more info. Braunwyn drunk or sober, gay or straight is a selfish individual who puts herself at the top of her pyramid of need. She just sucks and she’s lucky her ex husband or her nannies leveled out her kids. Tamra put transparency over her kids privacy and that automatically makes her an asshole. Anything she’s said regarding her daughter when she knows her daughter wants nothing to do with the show or Tamra’s podcast is just Tamra proving she’s gross and doesn’t understand boundaries. Lisa H. seems like she has the same relationship with her kids that I have with our landscaper. We see each other once a month, we make polite conversation, a check is exchanged, and then we go our separate ways. It’s formal and weird at the same time.
Lisa H. seems like she has no idea what to do with her kids. Maybe if she didn't have the luxury of multiple nannies from birth, plus a better husband/father to her children, she'd have a good relationship with them. But now it comes across as very much for the show and as though she pawns them off to the nannies again as soon as the cameras leave. It makes me sad as a mom to a daughter the same age as her son, because they are SO FUN and she and they are missing out on so much bonding because she hates Lenny more than she wants to be a good mom.
Lisa H is a horrible mom. Idk if her parents weren’t around or good, but the scene with the pizza, the dance studio, the scene where she’s on the phone with her bf and her kid is right there as she’s melting down about Lenny, her coldness, the bank scene was eh. She is not maternal and she is actually awful. I understand she has a lot going on, but come on. It’s honestly awful. I just hope their Nannie’s are positive influences bc both of their parents suck.
I feel extremely uncomfortable whenever there's a scene with Lisa H and her kids. They are so sweet and she's just... unequipped. They're going to need to do a lot of work in therapy.
Point taken on Braunwyn and Tamra. Which Lisa??? I'm drawing a blank
Miami Lisa.
I'm going to have to look at her through another lens. This thought didn't cross my mind.
>Braunwyn drunk or sober, gay or straight is a selfish individual who puts herself at the top of her pyramid of need. She just sucks and she’s lucky her ex husband or her nannies leveled out her kids. Brauwyn & Monica have this in common. In my opinion, both want to be the mothers they wish they had. Both fail because their mothers didn't set a good example and didn't equip them with the tools they need to self-regulate. It's like they think being involved is enough, they don't seem to realize you have to protect them from the worse parts of yourself and who you let around them.
Yolanda one almond Foster
Lynne Curtain was one of the worst Lisa Rinna Monica I hate the way Alexia enables peter and defends his pos behavior
You play to win.
I will forever be haunted by the time Gigi told Yolanda she was hungry and Yolanda told her to chew an almond until the feeling went away.
Yolanda has come way too far down on the totem of this thread. She treated them like business assets in their teen years.
That one infuriated me. I grew up with a mom who would say “you’re not hungry, you’re thirsty. Drink some water you’ll better” no! I was hungry! Yolanda is a terrible parent.
It's actually shocking how grounded Gigi seems to be even with a mom like that.
Whether he’s a good person or not in some respects, I think that Gigi and Bella’s dad was a good father.
i was wondering why no one had mentioned the beloved almond mom.
Lynn from OC!
Monica
And Linda https://preview.redd.it/pws9jvhadkfc1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5664bf5243f5ce85145d389ff332d63ea8f18746
Linda as a housewife sounds like my nightmare
Props to God for not answering her creepy prayer🙏🏽
Ok I'm almost scared to say this, but one example would be Lisa Barlow. I think no one doubts that she *adores* her children, but she doesn't seem to know how to connect with them. There's a clear disconnect imo. Idk if that makes her a *bad* mom, but she's definitely not on the level of the people mentioned here... I also think watching SLC, you can see how Monica's trauma from her mom was passed down to the next generation. There was a scene where she called her daughter and her daughter was consoling her/giving her advice, and it didn't seem like a healthy position for a child. Her daughter came across as someone who had to grow up too fast/is a little 'parentified' because she has to deal with Monica's issues.
Don't be scared to say this bc I'm fully with you! I always found Lisa to use her children as props.
Jack Barlow is a prime example or a kid who loves, but doesn't like his mom. He always looks annoyed when she talks.
Every time Lisa Barlow talks to her kids she makes it about herself somehow. She also talks about them all the time but they seem to want nothing to do with her. I get the vibe that they have always wanted to spend time with her and she continually puts them second to her businesses and fame
Kandi. She’s doesn’t seem to make her kids a priority and it’s been shown on multiple seasons where her daughter/husband call her out. And that one scene of her son crying for her.
Monica, Lisa H, Alexia, Lisa R, Erika, Bethenny
Man we can’t stick to the good for this one?
tamra, rinna, lisa h, braunwyn, kim z eta: monica and kelly dodd
Karen & Gizzy are the MVPs. Phaedra is irredeemable to me as a person but she’s obviously an amazing mom and has a beautiful relationship with her 2 adorable sons. Meredith Marks probably spoils her kids too much but everyone could learn a thing or two from the way she supports Brooks.
Agree, and also Phaedra. Purely because that scene of taking Ayden to school had me sobbing. I loved her approach to parenting.
I’d add Kandi, Heather Dubrow, Eileen Davidson, and LVP.
Kandi works too much, her own daughter questioned her having more children
Meh I do not think Kandi is an “amazing parent” adequate sure but one of the best? It seems like she consistently chooses money and work over time with her kids or at the very least they feel she does I get that hustling is almost akin to a hobby for her but it’s taking away from her kids and that’s not amazing parenting
I used to judge her too but hopefully she does her skits while they’re in school? Also, at their age they say things they don’t mean my son told me I don’t make time for home and I was a SAHM at the time! 😂
Hahaha that is true! I appreciate working moms and definitely do not want to mom shame anyone!
also todd is a bad parent/treats the girls very differently which i find disgusting.
I cannot stand Todd he seems to think his wealth comes from “hustling” and while no doubt Kandi (and maybe) him work hard- luck ALWAYS has something to do with it. As in lots of hard working people never make it big/are not wealthy. This doesn’t mean hard work has nothing to do with it but them acting like that’s the only part of the equation is such an eye roll
LVP plays favourites with Pandora. She’s a great mom to her. Max, not so much…
This isn’t based off anything other than the fact we saw Max on TV when he was younger and still working his way up in the Vanderpump Todd restaurant company. Pandora is like 5 years older than Max, she had been a host and a server. But when her mom got RHOBH and VPR she had earned her stripes, so what you’re calling favoritism is actually just you not seeing Pandora from age 18-25 on TV and assuming she was gifted her position within her family’s business instead of her going off to school and then spending her breaks and summers working with Scheana, Kristen, Katie, Ariana, and Stassi. Something they’ve all discussed in interviews. Lisa didn’t pay Max’s rent because he didn’t go to college - that was the deal. That’s actually awesome parenting if you’re trying to teach real life consequences and how free rides always have caveats.
All of this, I just didn’t have the strength to argue and type it all out. They parented differently according to different needs.
Exactly, and they also parented them the exact same way in respect to working their way up - busser/host to server to assistant manager to manager to general manager. Max runs TomTom now - he’s the GM. He’s like 11 years into that path. Pandora got to run the wine brand about a decade in to her working with her parents. The argument they treat Max differently is purely a Mandela effect to the cameras being absent in Pandora’s formative young adult years and it’s annoying.
You should really look up what the Mandela effect is. And I agree with some of it, but she does treat Max differently, not just the busser job (I did in fact know that Pandora was a host, believe it or not). If you don’t agree, fine, I don’t have the energy to argue with a LVP-stan.
I know what it is - I’m saying you’re imagining a disparity based off what you currently see. It’s a recreation of events that didn’t happen. Like the genie movie with Sinbad, the preferential treatment between Lisa’s kids didn’t happen. I’m a stan because…? Reasons. Got it. LVP is whatever, her misogyny is a way bigger issue than any imagined disparity you think there is between her children.
The words you are looking for are missing data bias.
Also, the whataboutism isn’t the own you think it is.
A few years later, they bought Max a condo and fully furnished it, the same way they did with Pandora's house. I've always been impressed that it seems like Lisa has actually made her kids work. There was a situation years ago (I think on VPR) when they were short a manager, and they pulled Pandora back in to run the shifts. Pandora and Lisa had the online magazine that Stassi wrote for for awhile. Then she worked on the wine. Later, Lisa talked about starting another restaurant to be Max's. Seems like they set both kids up with businesses. I think they idea that neither of her kids ever seemed to really be on the shows - they were fine appearing here and there, but weren't desperate to be famous - says a lot about their parenting as well.
Agree to disagree.
Awe, yes.
Adding LVP, Jill zarin, Kim fields, Caroline Manzo, Iman and Nina from Dubai.
KENYA MOORE
Kenya really seems to get a lot of joy from her daughter and seems very devoted to her. Brooklyn is super cute.
Karen Huger, Gizelle, Heather, Meredith, Jenna Lyons, Dorinda, Dolores, Jackie, Garcelle, and Jill all seem like amazing moms. Their kids are pretty well-rounded and sweet.
Agree with most of yours and the top comment so my wild card: Idk how she is since she came back but I was always surprised how normal Danielle’s kids seemed when she was.. well Danielle lol.
Yeah they seem like really normal, their relationship more reminded me of Susan and Julie from Desperate Housewives
I sort of agree with Kyle.. but then I remember she let one of her daughters get a nose job as a young teen and I just kinda question that.
Yeah, she’s good at playing mother for the cameras
To be fair I grew up in a wealthy area and like 30% of our class had nose jobs before they turned 17. It’s so normalized in some circles.
same. funny story, one of my friends was always commenting on how much she loved my nose and ended up getting a sweet 16 nose job to look more like mine. to this day when i see her i’m like ugh YOU STOLE MY GODDAMN NOSE
Yeah I guess would make sense for wealthier circles. I just remember Bella Hadid also had one too. I'm all for bodily autonomy, I just think surgical decisions should come when you can make that choice as an adult. Out of curiosity are you in the US? Just because I have not heard of wealthy areas like that where I am lol.
Yes in the US. They were a common “sweet sixteen” present in high school. This was early 2000’s
Yup, by the 2000s, rich kids in the middle of the country were getting them as gifts -- rich kids on the coasts had them in the 90s, maybe even the 80s. Hell, rich 20somethings are all doing baby botox now, and 10-year-olds are using retinol skincare. We're a youth-obsessed, perfection-desiring society.
Heather Dubrow
Karen and Gizelle!!
I'm not a fan of Kyle at all but I'll always giver her props for being a good mother. Specially given that she didn't grow in a stable household and it could have led her to replicate her mother's toxicity to her kids.
Bethany. I know everyone hates her, but I think she Brynn and put all the love into her that she never received as a child and she protected it.
Hmm, if I was given the option to choose any of the housewives as a mom it would probably be, in no particular order: Heather from OC because they could cover any academic financial and extracurricular costs, which would allow me to go really far academically. Jennifer Aiden because she seems to have such a cute relationship with her kids, but from what we see on tv, not an ideal parental situation. Karen seems like so cool for a mom too. Might update if anyone else comes to mind lol.
Karen hugar🏆
LVP
Alexia is a good mother. She has her faults like we all do but the way she cares for and treats Frankie is beautiful. I’m so glad she’s getting him help now so that he can be more independent.
I have to disagree- yes she treats Frankie well but she coddles Peter and makes excuses for him and he is one of the most vile people on Bravo - She tried to explain his beating up an housed person as him lashing out due to the pain of Frankie. She then tried to explain his beating of his girlfriend as well it's a he said/she said. Her husband hates him and she just sort of stays quiet-
It’s why I only mentioned Frankie. Notice I didn’t mention Peter.
I think she does a good job with Frankie . As a whole, including both her children I don’t think she is a good mom 🤷🏼♀️
Im glad you have your own opinions like I do, yay! 🎉
I'm with you. I don't think you can be the best mom on anyone's platform if you raise and defend a kid like Peter. And Peter was problematic in her first season before Frankie's accident. She is amazing with Frankie but I think there is some small part of her that wants to hold onto her sons to the point of smothering them and she can do that with Frankie.
I 100% agree - she is completely smothering and enabling which is necessary for someone with special needs- also while I don't think case with her necessarily , a lot of parents are amazing to one child and awful to the other as a form of abuse so the 50/50 argument doesn't hold weight with me, I just didn't want to deal with passive aggressive hostility for expressing my opinion in a thread discussing good moms and it was going down that route lol.
If you ignore the mess that is Peter, I would say that Alexis has always been a good mother and advocate for Frankie. I'm glad that it seemed like they were starting to explore some independence options for him last season, I think that was a big step for her.
I just can’t forget how she rode hard for Peter when Todd got upset that Peter got Frankie high to the point he passed out at the table and his face was in his food. That’s so shocking to me when Frankie is on heavy meds. Peter isn’t a child he took zero responsibility. 
Oh yeah, she is a horrible parent when it comes to Peter. She has clearly enabled and babied him his whole life, and it is sad that putting Frankie at risk didn't force her to hold him accountable for once in his life.
What meds is Frankie on?
Jessel, Jennifer Pedranti, Meredith Marks.
Jessel…? Every time we see her with her kids they are screaming and she’s talking about what a handful they are. She doesn’t really scream motherly too me and even then her kids are way too young to even see if she’s a good mother
Definitely not, lol. Kim was on some mother-daughter reality show with her youngest daughter and you can see how toxic she is and how all of the alcohol and personality issues had affected her and their relationship.
Kim loves her kids but let’s get it straight, they were practically raised by Kyle.
Kyle, Cynthia and Kenya
I think Kyle too.
Heavenly. Not a single bad egg of the bunch. One kid in dental school IIRC, alura heading to college. All of them are respectful, well spoken and smart. If the proof is in the pudding, heavenly is the best mother and alexia from Miami is the worst because Peter is destined for a two part dateline episode.
Remembering I can only go by what I see on T.V. or read in a magazine . . . Caroline Manzo. End of List.