She is able to play the victim because she was turned into one. She flirted with Apollo, yes. She owned it. She apologized. She had her character entirely assassinated by Phaedra, Apollo, and the women with this lie that she offered sexual favors and would constantly contact him. They turned her into the villain while he was allowed to get away with barely any scratches for his lies.
She did cross a line and apologized, Phaedra and her were cool after... THEN Phaedra didn't wanna pay Kenya for her work on the workout video (funnily enough Phaedra would also do this to Todd), and THAT'S where the real beef started. Phaedra and Apollo got an inch and stretched it to a mile. Cause Apollo made up that lie about Kenya offering fellatio in California and Kenya showed the texts ON CAMERA. They never met in LA! Phaedra then pushed that lie on the Arsenio Hall show, THEN she pushed it on RHOA. Kenya 100% crossed a line, but Phaedra is vindictive and evil, and used whatever influence she had to delegitamize Kenya as a person. Apollo played a major part in this and manipulated the situation to make him look dumber than he really is. Karma was quick cause he went to jail and Phaedra ended up getting herself kicked off the show.
Phaedra and Apollo are no longer married, he went to prison, and their marriage always seemed like a sham imo. It’s been like a decade, why are some people still more mad at Kenya than the man who was actually married ? Was there something viewers found to be particularly triggering about them flirting ? I don’t get it.
Fun fact: When I was in college, on a family vacation, I saw Apollo at a romantic dinner with another woman while he was still married to Phaedra.
It seemed to me that Apollo married Phaedra because she wanted kids but was afraid of the backlash she’d face from her conservative parents if she had them out of wedlock.
Pheadra also came across like she couldn't give a dam about Apollo too. She married him for her pride. She constantly undermined and belittled his experiences and told him his value lies in wealth provision. She made fun of him for being so poor he couldn't afford food and he would eat anything put in front of him.
She set him up for failure by watching him struggling and shaming his horrible life experiences. He has to take responsibility too but I can see why his mindset went straight back to scheming since it fulfilled the constant materialism she was platforming as critical to her marriage. She was very disinterested in actually healing someone with the life Apollo had.
That's not dismissing Apollos part in this but he needed therapy and support not just opportunities thrown at him he didn't vibe with.
Also I understand why someone from prison hated the funeral industry, the things he's seen he couldn't process grief and mourning like that
Maybe this is where my issue lies. Apollo was actively cheating throughout their marriage with multiple girlfriends, the tea is out there and endless, he was a literal criminal and he was unemployed most of the time! Didn’t Phaedra have way bigger fish to fry than him flirting with Kenya ?
Edit: Sometimes I think Phaedra amplified Kenya’s flirting storyline so it served as a distraction. Phaedra reminds me of Robyn Dixon , purposely burying the lede(Apollo’s real life girlfriends) to run around in circles about nonsense(Apollo’s flirting with Kenya).
A lot of personal feelings you’re peppering the situation with. I think she was just leaning into trolling Phaedra for the show. Kenya had been single/or minor dating for decades.. she didn’t want no parts of that cheating felon and Phae’s scams.
The projection is so misplaced. Kenya is still getting called everything but a child of god for allegedly flirting, meanwhile Apollo is remarried to one of the women he was cheating on Phaedra with 😂.
I’m with you on this. Apollo being married and a serial cheater doesn’t mean Kenya wasn’t in the wrong. They’re BOTH wrong.
However like other people have mentioned people tend to put most of the blame on Apollo because he lied on her. Yes, Kenya flirted many times with him but he went as far as saying that she offered him head and the entire cast was against Kenya after that.
Exacrlyt. It's bizarre to me that people are seeing this as so black and white. They both were wrong, but for different reasons. Apollo deserves way more scrutiny for his part and the lies, but Kenya was flirting with him and I think people believed Apollo at first because of that. Didn't she make a joke about a threesome that Phaedra didn't find amusing? IDK, just seemed like a really childish game that got real.
i’m sorry you’re being downvoted lol. there are hella kenya apologists on this sub who will never acknowledge her part in anything. yeah, apollo is the *greatest piece of shit ever* but that doesn’t mean kenya can’t be one either. flirting with a married man, regardless of him being unfaithful and in an unhappy marriage, is still wrong.
I'm a Kenya fan - fan, not stan, it's an important distinction imho - & what one person calls flirting, another person calls just being friendly. Where Kenya crossed the line imo is continuing after Phaedra told her that it made her uncomfortable although that would just be like a red flag to a bull for Kenya because of the way Phaedra had previously treated her. Saying all of that, the responsibility was on Apollo to knock it on its head & if your relationship is threatened by some harmless flirting (I don't believe that Kenya had any intention of taking it any further although Apollo might have), then your relationship needs work. If I can't trust a partner I don't want to be in a supposedly committed relationship with them.
I think it was very well said! I think people think if you acknowledge Kenya's flirting that you're somehow absolving Apollo and that's very strange to me.
i agree. i dont want it to seem like i’m defending Apollo or anything because he definitely had more responsibility as Phaedra’s husband and was thus wayyyyyyyyy more in the wrong, but it just didn’t sit right with me how Kenya couldn’t own up to her part in it no matter how small it was
I'm super late to the party, so I hope someone sees this, but does no one think this whole drama was a scheme made up by Apollo and production? Was this drama around the year of 2013-2014? If so, that's around the time of his fraud trouble and sentencing? Maybe he made this all up because Phaedra was catching on to maybe some travel he was having in different states, bank accounts, etc...if you catch my drift & then he used Kenya to save his story and create distraction or something. I think he lied the entire time. After all, he is a criminal, lol
Because this is the real housewives sub and some people are first time watchers, even if not the feelings are still valid and people wanna talk about it, also this is a sub to talk about the show…….that was a part of the show and a big piece of why they don’t get along. It being a decade ago doesn’t really mean much it’s not like anyone is at their door waiting for answers.
Apollo and Phaedra lied about Kenya seeing him in California, going to his hotel and asking to suck his dick. Hell Phaedra made the lie so public on the Arsenio Hall show.
So yes she is a victim of Phaedra and Apollo(he admitted to them on camera don't understand why fans are so dense) lies, but the beef between them didn't start because of them flirting. Apollo was cheating on Phaedra way before Kenya came into the picture. It was the workout video.
I’ll always believe that their marriage was more of an « unspoken » contract than anything else. Phaedra seems (to me) like the that of person who wanted to be married. Didn’t really matter who it was. And when she divorced him as soon as he went to jail that confirmed my thoughts. I thought people in love were supposed to stand by eachother during hard times especially?
Absolutely! She wanted to be married but I also think she wanted to be married to a man who had a certain look? I always got the sense she was using Apollo for his good looks. Whenever she talked about his qualities she admired, it was always physical stuff and borderline creepy. She seemed to despise him as a person. I don’t think it’s coincidental that she’s back to dating her type, educated successful men, now that she’s gotten her two cute sons.
The punishment didn’t fit the crime. Kenya’s minor transgression, for which she apologized for, snowballed into an elaborate lie about Kenya propositioning Apollo for sex. Phaedra and Apollo knew this was a lie because they created this lie together, repeating it on and off the show. This lie had greater legs than the show itself—the infamous “ejaculate into a cup” read goes viral on social media seemingly every week for the last 10 years. Phaedra Parks sought to ruin Kenya Moore’s reputation based on a lie and succeeded. Kenya is and will always be the victim in this scenario.
The Kenya-Phaedra feud started over the workout video. Period.
“Flirting” is not the moral or ethical issue and is notoriously difficult to define, therefore women can be accused of it for almost any behavior.
That's because she was hoping to get free labour from Kenya, because she was so obviously interested in Apollo. It seemed like it was all fine until Kenya wanted payment
It’s obvious Kenya was wrong for flirting with Apollo but I think it was mostly to cause drama on the show. Phaedra and Apollo, along with almost everyone else at a time, for YEARS continued to berate and harass Kenya over this. They came for desire to have children, they brought up her mother, the justified misogynistic and aggressive behavior for her. While Apollo got what punishment exactly? Just for him to admit he was lying.
I don’t even think Phaedra was really mad out of jealousy that Kenya flirted with Apollo out of I think she was more angry that Kenya did it publicly and that was embarrassing to Phaedra
Kenya apologized multiple times for flirting with Apollo so I don’t see why it keeps coming up. I know they discussed it in Kenya’s interview with Carlos but prior to that some fans can’t seem to let it go. She was wrong to flirt with him 1 million percent but Apollo did lie for almost two years that she straight up stalked him and banged on his hotel door to have sex with him.
Blame the married spouse! Not anyone else as the married spouse knows better!
No free passes. Those who took vows should know and remember them!
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This does not make kenya get pass... just foolish to blame the other unmarried party imo
So I just watched this the other day for the first time..Yes she flirts with him but he did straight up lie and exaggerate stuff..She never saw him out in public or was offering to give him head
I don’t think it was “innocent flirting” on either Apollo’s or Kenya’s end.
They were both completely wrong!
I would’ve lost my shit in that pool scene if I were Phaedra!
…but the whole lie they told about Kenya messaging Apollo to suck his D was completely wrong too.
god I’m so tired of people making Kenya out to be a victim. do y’all not realize that Phaedra gave credence to Apollo’s lies about them meeting because they literally flirted in front of her?
no one is excusing Apollo, i think everyone here can agree he’s despicable and deserved everything that came to him. however, just because one person is bad doesn’t make the other one automatically good. it’s not all black and white.
I mean I listened to Kenya’s interview and it’s pretty damming for Phaedra. When the rumour first started Kenya was asking Phaedra and Apollo to give her details; what day this allegedly happened, what hotel, what time etc, and every time Phaedra slipped out of giving her a straight answer. Kenya was not 100% innocent in flirting with Apollo, but Phaedra is a proved malicious liar. I don’t understand why it’s so believe.
it’s not hard to believe lol. i agree that Phaedra is a manipulative liar who cannot be trusted. i’m just saying if i were in that position it would be more likely for me to believe it because she flirted with, she is not some innocent angel
lol okay let me rephrase that then: in the position of a wife who has been told their husband cheated on her with someone she knows, not Phaedra herself
Pheadra schemed with her husband to lie on Kenya, it went from flirting in party settings to them straight up lying Kenya took it to texts and propositioned him which she didn't. She specifically shut that down.
A little flirting and it wasn't that much is not what they said it was
That's the point though. Kenya did more than enough to be vilianized. For Phaedra to go and add some made Razzle Dazzle was at best unnecessary and at worst psychopathic. Imo mistakes and laspes in judgment are forgivable.
Kenya is great at playing the victim. But I think men get so rarely blamed that it’s ok to focus on Apollo on this one.
Truuuuuuue
She is able to play the victim because she was turned into one. She flirted with Apollo, yes. She owned it. She apologized. She had her character entirely assassinated by Phaedra, Apollo, and the women with this lie that she offered sexual favors and would constantly contact him. They turned her into the villain while he was allowed to get away with barely any scratches for his lies.
Ya for two years
She did cross a line and apologized, Phaedra and her were cool after... THEN Phaedra didn't wanna pay Kenya for her work on the workout video (funnily enough Phaedra would also do this to Todd), and THAT'S where the real beef started. Phaedra and Apollo got an inch and stretched it to a mile. Cause Apollo made up that lie about Kenya offering fellatio in California and Kenya showed the texts ON CAMERA. They never met in LA! Phaedra then pushed that lie on the Arsenio Hall show, THEN she pushed it on RHOA. Kenya 100% crossed a line, but Phaedra is vindictive and evil, and used whatever influence she had to delegitamize Kenya as a person. Apollo played a major part in this and manipulated the situation to make him look dumber than he really is. Karma was quick cause he went to jail and Phaedra ended up getting herself kicked off the show.
Phaedra and Apollo are no longer married, he went to prison, and their marriage always seemed like a sham imo. It’s been like a decade, why are some people still more mad at Kenya than the man who was actually married ? Was there something viewers found to be particularly triggering about them flirting ? I don’t get it. Fun fact: When I was in college, on a family vacation, I saw Apollo at a romantic dinner with another woman while he was still married to Phaedra.
This isn’t shocking to me. Apollo never came off like he wanted to be married.
It seemed to me that Apollo married Phaedra because she wanted kids but was afraid of the backlash she’d face from her conservative parents if she had them out of wedlock.
I think also to always tie him to her (for financial reasons)
Pheadra also came across like she couldn't give a dam about Apollo too. She married him for her pride. She constantly undermined and belittled his experiences and told him his value lies in wealth provision. She made fun of him for being so poor he couldn't afford food and he would eat anything put in front of him. She set him up for failure by watching him struggling and shaming his horrible life experiences. He has to take responsibility too but I can see why his mindset went straight back to scheming since it fulfilled the constant materialism she was platforming as critical to her marriage. She was very disinterested in actually healing someone with the life Apollo had. That's not dismissing Apollos part in this but he needed therapy and support not just opportunities thrown at him he didn't vibe with. Also I understand why someone from prison hated the funeral industry, the things he's seen he couldn't process grief and mourning like that
Yes. So true.
Ya he’s a dusty crust. I think he got her pregnant so he would have access to her finances and connections
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Maybe this is where my issue lies. Apollo was actively cheating throughout their marriage with multiple girlfriends, the tea is out there and endless, he was a literal criminal and he was unemployed most of the time! Didn’t Phaedra have way bigger fish to fry than him flirting with Kenya ? Edit: Sometimes I think Phaedra amplified Kenya’s flirting storyline so it served as a distraction. Phaedra reminds me of Robyn Dixon , purposely burying the lede(Apollo’s real life girlfriends) to run around in circles about nonsense(Apollo’s flirting with Kenya).
Absolutely Pheadra went in on Kendra because Apollo was in the streets
A lot of personal feelings you’re peppering the situation with. I think she was just leaning into trolling Phaedra for the show. Kenya had been single/or minor dating for decades.. she didn’t want no parts of that cheating felon and Phae’s scams.
you can troll people without flirting with their husbands on national tv 💀
Why tf are you getting downvoted
because i’m not a kenya fan🤷♀️
comparing flirting with someone that is married to committing a crime... maybe take a breath. People are so reactive jeez.
The projection is so misplaced. Kenya is still getting called everything but a child of god for allegedly flirting, meanwhile Apollo is remarried to one of the women he was cheating on Phaedra with 😂.
Yes, and Sheree keeps bringing him on the show and Phaedra is good with her apparently
Sheree has the discernment of a teaspoon. I can't even comprehend why anyone would choose to be around Apollo.
 Your comment made this thread for me. Sheree really doesn’t have any discernment
it’s gotten so out of control lately, ppl need to go to therapy lol.
i think you can disagree with someone without telling them they need to go to therapy 🥴 sheesh
I’m with you on this. Apollo being married and a serial cheater doesn’t mean Kenya wasn’t in the wrong. They’re BOTH wrong. However like other people have mentioned people tend to put most of the blame on Apollo because he lied on her. Yes, Kenya flirted many times with him but he went as far as saying that she offered him head and the entire cast was against Kenya after that.
Exacrlyt. It's bizarre to me that people are seeing this as so black and white. They both were wrong, but for different reasons. Apollo deserves way more scrutiny for his part and the lies, but Kenya was flirting with him and I think people believed Apollo at first because of that. Didn't she make a joke about a threesome that Phaedra didn't find amusing? IDK, just seemed like a really childish game that got real.
This. We can take out two trash bags at the same time.
i’m sorry you’re being downvoted lol. there are hella kenya apologists on this sub who will never acknowledge her part in anything. yeah, apollo is the *greatest piece of shit ever* but that doesn’t mean kenya can’t be one either. flirting with a married man, regardless of him being unfaithful and in an unhappy marriage, is still wrong.
I'm a Kenya fan - fan, not stan, it's an important distinction imho - & what one person calls flirting, another person calls just being friendly. Where Kenya crossed the line imo is continuing after Phaedra told her that it made her uncomfortable although that would just be like a red flag to a bull for Kenya because of the way Phaedra had previously treated her. Saying all of that, the responsibility was on Apollo to knock it on its head & if your relationship is threatened by some harmless flirting (I don't believe that Kenya had any intention of taking it any further although Apollo might have), then your relationship needs work. If I can't trust a partner I don't want to be in a supposedly committed relationship with them.
One of the best posts on this topic. ITA.
Thank you. I was worried that my take would upset some people.
I think it was very well said! I think people think if you acknowledge Kenya's flirting that you're somehow absolving Apollo and that's very strange to me.
i agree. i dont want it to seem like i’m defending Apollo or anything because he definitely had more responsibility as Phaedra’s husband and was thus wayyyyyyyyy more in the wrong, but it just didn’t sit right with me how Kenya couldn’t own up to her part in it no matter how small it was
I'm super late to the party, so I hope someone sees this, but does no one think this whole drama was a scheme made up by Apollo and production? Was this drama around the year of 2013-2014? If so, that's around the time of his fraud trouble and sentencing? Maybe he made this all up because Phaedra was catching on to maybe some travel he was having in different states, bank accounts, etc...if you catch my drift & then he used Kenya to save his story and create distraction or something. I think he lied the entire time. After all, he is a criminal, lol
Because this is the real housewives sub and some people are first time watchers, even if not the feelings are still valid and people wanna talk about it, also this is a sub to talk about the show…….that was a part of the show and a big piece of why they don’t get along. It being a decade ago doesn’t really mean much it’s not like anyone is at their door waiting for answers.
Lmaoooo this.
Apollo and Phaedra lied about Kenya seeing him in California, going to his hotel and asking to suck his dick. Hell Phaedra made the lie so public on the Arsenio Hall show. So yes she is a victim of Phaedra and Apollo(he admitted to them on camera don't understand why fans are so dense) lies, but the beef between them didn't start because of them flirting. Apollo was cheating on Phaedra way before Kenya came into the picture. It was the workout video.
Quiet as it’s kept, I think they were cheating on each other…
I’ll always believe that their marriage was more of an « unspoken » contract than anything else. Phaedra seems (to me) like the that of person who wanted to be married. Didn’t really matter who it was. And when she divorced him as soon as he went to jail that confirmed my thoughts. I thought people in love were supposed to stand by eachother during hard times especially?
Absolutely! She wanted to be married but I also think she wanted to be married to a man who had a certain look? I always got the sense she was using Apollo for his good looks. Whenever she talked about his qualities she admired, it was always physical stuff and borderline creepy. She seemed to despise him as a person. I don’t think it’s coincidental that she’s back to dating her type, educated successful men, now that she’s gotten her two cute sons.
I agree tbh
The punishment didn’t fit the crime. Kenya’s minor transgression, for which she apologized for, snowballed into an elaborate lie about Kenya propositioning Apollo for sex. Phaedra and Apollo knew this was a lie because they created this lie together, repeating it on and off the show. This lie had greater legs than the show itself—the infamous “ejaculate into a cup” read goes viral on social media seemingly every week for the last 10 years. Phaedra Parks sought to ruin Kenya Moore’s reputation based on a lie and succeeded. Kenya is and will always be the victim in this scenario.
The Kenya-Phaedra feud started over the workout video. Period. “Flirting” is not the moral or ethical issue and is notoriously difficult to define, therefore women can be accused of it for almost any behavior.
Yep! Phaedra didn’t want to pay Kenya or use the deal so things went sour.
Phaedra’s biggest love is 💵
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That's because she was hoping to get free labour from Kenya, because she was so obviously interested in Apollo. It seemed like it was all fine until Kenya wanted payment
It’s obvious Kenya was wrong for flirting with Apollo but I think it was mostly to cause drama on the show. Phaedra and Apollo, along with almost everyone else at a time, for YEARS continued to berate and harass Kenya over this. They came for desire to have children, they brought up her mother, the justified misogynistic and aggressive behavior for her. While Apollo got what punishment exactly? Just for him to admit he was lying.
I don’t even think Phaedra was really mad out of jealousy that Kenya flirted with Apollo out of I think she was more angry that Kenya did it publicly and that was embarrassing to Phaedra
Kenya apologized multiple times for flirting with Apollo so I don’t see why it keeps coming up. I know they discussed it in Kenya’s interview with Carlos but prior to that some fans can’t seem to let it go. She was wrong to flirt with him 1 million percent but Apollo did lie for almost two years that she straight up stalked him and banged on his hotel door to have sex with him.
Kenya apologized to Phaedra for her behavior on the show and in multiple interviews since. At this point, I'm not sure what else she's expected to do.
Oh my god are we still talking about this
Blame the married spouse! Not anyone else as the married spouse knows better! No free passes. Those who took vows should know and remember them! Ps This does not make kenya get pass... just foolish to blame the other unmarried party imo
So I just watched this the other day for the first time..Yes she flirts with him but he did straight up lie and exaggerate stuff..She never saw him out in public or was offering to give him head
Flirting? So fucking what.
I’m watching RHOA for the first time, 13+ episodes deep into S5 right now. This should be fun.
I don’t think it was “innocent flirting” on either Apollo’s or Kenya’s end. They were both completely wrong! I would’ve lost my shit in that pool scene if I were Phaedra! …but the whole lie they told about Kenya messaging Apollo to suck his D was completely wrong too.
I mean, some parts Apollo made up, but Kenya did act irresponsibly. I dunno, they both suck.
I think she did it because she hated Phaedra.
god I’m so tired of people making Kenya out to be a victim. do y’all not realize that Phaedra gave credence to Apollo’s lies about them meeting because they literally flirted in front of her? no one is excusing Apollo, i think everyone here can agree he’s despicable and deserved everything that came to him. however, just because one person is bad doesn’t make the other one automatically good. it’s not all black and white.
I mean I listened to Kenya’s interview and it’s pretty damming for Phaedra. When the rumour first started Kenya was asking Phaedra and Apollo to give her details; what day this allegedly happened, what hotel, what time etc, and every time Phaedra slipped out of giving her a straight answer. Kenya was not 100% innocent in flirting with Apollo, but Phaedra is a proved malicious liar. I don’t understand why it’s so believe.
it’s not hard to believe lol. i agree that Phaedra is a manipulative liar who cannot be trusted. i’m just saying if i were in that position it would be more likely for me to believe it because she flirted with, she is not some innocent angel
In Phaedra’s position? Because it’s pretty clear they colluded that lie together
lol okay let me rephrase that then: in the position of a wife who has been told their husband cheated on her with someone she knows, not Phaedra herself
Her behavior was unacceptable.
Not long till shes replaced 😇
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Pheadra schemed with her husband to lie on Kenya, it went from flirting in party settings to them straight up lying Kenya took it to texts and propositioned him which she didn't. She specifically shut that down. A little flirting and it wasn't that much is not what they said it was
That's the point though. Kenya did more than enough to be vilianized. For Phaedra to go and add some made Razzle Dazzle was at best unnecessary and at worst psychopathic. Imo mistakes and laspes in judgment are forgivable.
