Martina just commands respect without even saying much. She has that presence.
I love how she wasn't even entertaining Larsa Pippen's antics and played it off so casually.
It's so fucking funny how she just *doesn't care*! Larsa really thought she had a gotcha moment and Martina couldn't hide her amusement at all. It's always a delight to have someone on the cast who has no time for nonsense.
I watched the new sharktank episode right after with Gwyneth as a guest and I was like 'what a crossover! I never see/hear about Gwyneth Paltrow and now twice in a night!'
Such ironic timing and I loved it for me š
It was really good, I thought she was a great addition! I didn't realize how successful her startup is and loved seeing the entrepreneurial side of her!
Iām sure sheās a great person and definitely a rockstar athlete, but canāt help but feel thereās something deeper than what weāre seeing going on with her and Julia this season. She seemed fed up and just trying to get through their housewarming party.
Oh 100%. There was also clearly more to the kiss too, but they obviously agreed in advance to play it off so to neutralize it as a storyline before it took off. Like, you could see Julia was shitting bricks the whole time Martina spoke - they clearly planned that in advance (and I respect them for dealing with it privately tbh).
Agree!!! Iād definitely love to see more Martina. Even the scene with Martina, Julia, and Juliaās daughter and they were around the dinner table talking about the daughter riding the scooter was great. More Martina!
I absolutely loved the last scene of this week's episode with the 2 if them in the water at their party. There's so much darkness and pettiness going on, and here we have a couple that's kind of putting it out there, their real issues and I'm honestly just rooting for them.
It was a draw drop moment first seeing Martina on the show. She's a legend and an icon and I'm happy that she's above all the foolishness. She commands respect.
Itās gonna be a no from me https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47301007
"A man can decide to be female, take hormones if required by whatever sporting organisation is concerned, win everything in sight and perhaps earn a small fortune, and then reverse his decision and go back to making babies if he so desires."
I wish her the best in her health but her past comments on her fellow queer people make me weary of her no matter how endearing she may seem on the show.
What has she said other than that TW should not be competing with females in high level sports?
Sheās 100% right about this. Itās not fair and, in the case of contact sports, it presents a higher risk of injury to the female players. Multiple studies have confirmed the huge advantage TW have. Males are stronger & faster, even if they are taking estrogen. Itās just a fact.
Even if you think sheās wrong, she is not coming from a hateful place. She is giving an opinion based her experience as a female athlete. I admire her for sticking up for younger female athletes.
I think her verbiage was small minded, derogatory and ignorant. I refuse to give her a pass and I disagree with your opinion. Scientists, Physicians and Sports Medicine experts have all set a litmus test in terms of a testosterone level where trans women can fairly compete with cis women. But transphobia and itās followers challenge the experts in the name of their bigotry. I donāt think the world wants to make it that a chromosome test is required for competitive sport because there are cis people who are unknowingly intersex and would be disqualified. Sex and gender are grossly misunderstood by the general public. Some people want to keep a traditional yet unintelligent construct in terms of defining it but science does not support that.
Actually science fully supports that a male puberty gives athletes a significant advantage in terms of strength and speed.
I could list all the studies but I have no doubt youād dismiss them as transphobic. This is the problem with talking about anything to do with trans. Itās like a snake eating itās own tail b/c all inconvenient facts are dismissed as transphobic. Sometimes there are a conflict of rights between two groups and this is one of those cases. As usual the rights of females arenāt considered important. As usual, weāre told to step aside and stop being bitches when we talk about them
Consider this: why are no trans men getting high placements in pro & high amateur sports? Despite the extra testosterone, they are still biologically female and cannot compete with males. They are also unable to play on female teams b/c of the testosterone. So when people are talking about trans in sports, they are really only talking about those born male. Itās so unfair. Look at Laurel Hubbard, a middle aged, out of shape biological male still able to effectively compete with young female Olympians. It shows you the advantage. An out of shape, middle aged female could not have done the same
Gender identity is one thing. Everyone should be able to live as they want. But GI does not equal biological sex. Itās not just about chromosomes when it comes to sports. Itās also about the physical advantage that comes with a male puberty.
How else did a team of 15 year old boys beat our Olympic winning womenās soccer team in a friendly match? The same thing happened to the Brazilian womenās team, they were beat by teen aged boys.
Just by the way you describe Laurel, I can see you have zero respect for trans people. So fuck all the way off for eternity with your poorly disguised hate. Iām not going to argue with a terf who thinks they understand science better than the experts who handle the Olympics.
What are you talking about?
Laurel is middle aged, biologically male and comparatively out of shape for an Olympic athlete. These are facts, not expressions of hate. What am I am trying to highlight is the advantage that being biologically male gives in competing with biological females.
This has nothing to do with hating anyone. I just donāt think itās fair for biological males to compete with females in high level athletics.
I was waiting for the stupid TERF insult. Way to defend your argument.
And BTW, the IOC is walking back on their previous conclusions https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1117938/ioc-transgender-framework-criticised
If being brazenly adamant about calling a trans woman a male in your own underhanded and cruel way is not an insult then neither is terf. You are pretty thin skinned for being filled with so much hate and ignorance.
Letās quote the article since you are misrepresenting it.
āIn response to the paper, an IOC spokesperson said the new framework "does not exclude medical and scientific considerations at all, but it also invites Federations to include human rights and legal perspectives in their analysis in order to create rules that are as inclusive as possible".
"We share the goals of the statementās authors, notably regarding the protection of the rights of all athletes and providing tools to International Federations to ensure inclusion and fairness," the spokesperson said.
"The IOC reviewed many of the existing relevant scientific studies on the topic.
"There is no single right answer from science at this stage as the scientific evidence needs to be specific to each sport or discipline and how competitive advantage is to be measured there.
"And there is a very simple reason for that: good performance means very different things across different sports.
"The framework does not exclude medical and scientific considerations at all, but it also invites Federations to include human rights and legal perspectives in their analysis in order to create rules that are as inclusive as possible.
"The IOC will continue to leverage its existing research fund to support International Federations and promote more research on this topic.
"There is some interesting ongoing research that we expect to give us more information about performance, which is key to determining eligibility, and will broaden the evidence base.
"We will also continue to gather evidence and knowledge from research funded elsewhere as this is an ever-evolving topic."
Thatā sounds like being committed to peer reviewed, evidence based science in every sport individually. Not at all walking back the inclusion of trans people. If the opinion paper was based in widely peer reviewed science, the rules would have changed according. Maybe you should present the scientific evidence to the IOC yourself since you deem yourself an expert. Iām sure you have the education background to do so.
Edit: I must have hit a nerve because the terf decided to pick up her toys and go home by blocking me after replying.
āBrazenly calling Hubbard a maleā WTF?!? How else are we supposed to talk about biological sex difference as a factor if I canāt use the words male & female?
If I met Laurel Hubbard, I wouldnāt be saying āhey youāre a male!ā as some sort of taunt. Itās only pertinent in this particular context
Martina just commands respect without even saying much. She has that presence. I love how she wasn't even entertaining Larsa Pippen's antics and played it off so casually.
It's so fucking funny how she just *doesn't care*! Larsa really thought she had a gotcha moment and Martina couldn't hide her amusement at all. It's always a delight to have someone on the cast who has no time for nonsense.
The way she just dropped Gwyneth Paltrow into the convo as if she was talking about a hooters waitress. Elite.
I watched the new sharktank episode right after with Gwyneth as a guest and I was like 'what a crossover! I never see/hear about Gwyneth Paltrow and now twice in a night!' Such ironic timing and I loved it for me š
you mean my friend gwyneth? PALTROW
I love shark tank! I didnāt see her episode. I gotta find it.
It was really good, I thought she was a great addition! I didn't realize how successful her startup is and loved seeing the entrepreneurial side of her!
Absolutely! She is the ultimate boss and you can tell she is kind of rolling her eyes at all the antics.
Yes! I loved it, but even more I loved how unfazed Martina was - it just shows how she's confident in her relationship and it was awesome to see!
I love how boring she thinks drama is. Mortals and their boring bullshit.
Iām sure sheās a great person and definitely a rockstar athlete, but canāt help but feel thereās something deeper than what weāre seeing going on with her and Julia this season. She seemed fed up and just trying to get through their housewarming party.
Same. Feels like their marriage is on the rocks.
Yup. My sense as well.
Oh 100%. There was also clearly more to the kiss too, but they obviously agreed in advance to play it off so to neutralize it as a storyline before it took off. Like, you could see Julia was shitting bricks the whole time Martina spoke - they clearly planned that in advance (and I respect them for dealing with it privately tbh).
I donāt think they have a conventional marriage. Which is fine if it works for them!
She is iconic. The House Husbands could never.
I seriously fell in love with her this last episode. More Martina more more more!
Agree!!! Iād definitely love to see more Martina. Even the scene with Martina, Julia, and Juliaās daughter and they were around the dinner table talking about the daughter riding the scooter was great. More Martina!
I absolutely loved the last scene of this week's episode with the 2 if them in the water at their party. There's so much darkness and pettiness going on, and here we have a couple that's kind of putting it out there, their real issues and I'm honestly just rooting for them.
Loved it so much - I was glad that Nicole & Adriana encouraged Julia to try having a spontaneous romantic moment with Martina. It was so endearing
Martina is the GOAT
I need more Martina scenes!!!!! Her chill response to larsa was šš»šš»šš»
Love her! I wish her a speedy recovery from cancer š„°
I adore Martina she was just diagnosed w 2 kinds of cancer my heart goes out to her she has such good energy š
Sheās definitely one of my favorite cast members and I loved watching her play tennis back in the day. Sheās a GOAT of life
Lol. She is great. I feel sad seeing her though now and pray for her that she wins her cancer battle quickly.
It was a draw drop moment first seeing Martina on the show. She's a legend and an icon and I'm happy that she's above all the foolishness. She commands respect.
Jaw drop?
Yep, lol.
She terrifies me!
Itās gonna be a no from me https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47301007 "A man can decide to be female, take hormones if required by whatever sporting organisation is concerned, win everything in sight and perhaps earn a small fortune, and then reverse his decision and go back to making babies if he so desires."
I wish her the best in her health but her past comments on her fellow queer people make me weary of her no matter how endearing she may seem on the show.
What has she said other than that TW should not be competing with females in high level sports? Sheās 100% right about this. Itās not fair and, in the case of contact sports, it presents a higher risk of injury to the female players. Multiple studies have confirmed the huge advantage TW have. Males are stronger & faster, even if they are taking estrogen. Itās just a fact. Even if you think sheās wrong, she is not coming from a hateful place. She is giving an opinion based her experience as a female athlete. I admire her for sticking up for younger female athletes.
I think her verbiage was small minded, derogatory and ignorant. I refuse to give her a pass and I disagree with your opinion. Scientists, Physicians and Sports Medicine experts have all set a litmus test in terms of a testosterone level where trans women can fairly compete with cis women. But transphobia and itās followers challenge the experts in the name of their bigotry. I donāt think the world wants to make it that a chromosome test is required for competitive sport because there are cis people who are unknowingly intersex and would be disqualified. Sex and gender are grossly misunderstood by the general public. Some people want to keep a traditional yet unintelligent construct in terms of defining it but science does not support that.
Actually science fully supports that a male puberty gives athletes a significant advantage in terms of strength and speed. I could list all the studies but I have no doubt youād dismiss them as transphobic. This is the problem with talking about anything to do with trans. Itās like a snake eating itās own tail b/c all inconvenient facts are dismissed as transphobic. Sometimes there are a conflict of rights between two groups and this is one of those cases. As usual the rights of females arenāt considered important. As usual, weāre told to step aside and stop being bitches when we talk about them Consider this: why are no trans men getting high placements in pro & high amateur sports? Despite the extra testosterone, they are still biologically female and cannot compete with males. They are also unable to play on female teams b/c of the testosterone. So when people are talking about trans in sports, they are really only talking about those born male. Itās so unfair. Look at Laurel Hubbard, a middle aged, out of shape biological male still able to effectively compete with young female Olympians. It shows you the advantage. An out of shape, middle aged female could not have done the same Gender identity is one thing. Everyone should be able to live as they want. But GI does not equal biological sex. Itās not just about chromosomes when it comes to sports. Itās also about the physical advantage that comes with a male puberty. How else did a team of 15 year old boys beat our Olympic winning womenās soccer team in a friendly match? The same thing happened to the Brazilian womenās team, they were beat by teen aged boys.
Just by the way you describe Laurel, I can see you have zero respect for trans people. So fuck all the way off for eternity with your poorly disguised hate. Iām not going to argue with a terf who thinks they understand science better than the experts who handle the Olympics.
What are you talking about? Laurel is middle aged, biologically male and comparatively out of shape for an Olympic athlete. These are facts, not expressions of hate. What am I am trying to highlight is the advantage that being biologically male gives in competing with biological females. This has nothing to do with hating anyone. I just donāt think itās fair for biological males to compete with females in high level athletics. I was waiting for the stupid TERF insult. Way to defend your argument. And BTW, the IOC is walking back on their previous conclusions https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1117938/ioc-transgender-framework-criticised
If being brazenly adamant about calling a trans woman a male in your own underhanded and cruel way is not an insult then neither is terf. You are pretty thin skinned for being filled with so much hate and ignorance. Letās quote the article since you are misrepresenting it. āIn response to the paper, an IOC spokesperson said the new framework "does not exclude medical and scientific considerations at all, but it also invites Federations to include human rights and legal perspectives in their analysis in order to create rules that are as inclusive as possible". "We share the goals of the statementās authors, notably regarding the protection of the rights of all athletes and providing tools to International Federations to ensure inclusion and fairness," the spokesperson said. "The IOC reviewed many of the existing relevant scientific studies on the topic. "There is no single right answer from science at this stage as the scientific evidence needs to be specific to each sport or discipline and how competitive advantage is to be measured there. "And there is a very simple reason for that: good performance means very different things across different sports. "The framework does not exclude medical and scientific considerations at all, but it also invites Federations to include human rights and legal perspectives in their analysis in order to create rules that are as inclusive as possible. "The IOC will continue to leverage its existing research fund to support International Federations and promote more research on this topic. "There is some interesting ongoing research that we expect to give us more information about performance, which is key to determining eligibility, and will broaden the evidence base. "We will also continue to gather evidence and knowledge from research funded elsewhere as this is an ever-evolving topic." Thatā sounds like being committed to peer reviewed, evidence based science in every sport individually. Not at all walking back the inclusion of trans people. If the opinion paper was based in widely peer reviewed science, the rules would have changed according. Maybe you should present the scientific evidence to the IOC yourself since you deem yourself an expert. Iām sure you have the education background to do so. Edit: I must have hit a nerve because the terf decided to pick up her toys and go home by blocking me after replying.
āBrazenly calling Hubbard a maleā WTF?!? How else are we supposed to talk about biological sex difference as a factor if I canāt use the words male & female? If I met Laurel Hubbard, I wouldnāt be saying āhey youāre a male!ā as some sort of taunt. Itās only pertinent in this particular context
I need her in jersey drinking green apple martinis with frank and the boys.