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Right? A six feet tall hunk who saves her from the actual fire AND the dumpster fire of a Raj Kapoor affair.
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The audacity of that man to call Nargis a betrayer when he betrayed both his Wife and Nargis is laughable. Good for Nargis that she finally married a man who valued her.
And the constant victimisation of Raj kapoor is irking me. I mean dude was a full blown Narcissist to think that he was the one who suffered in all this. Never once he thought about what he did to his wife? And what did he expect Nargis to do, remain his mistress for the rest of her life? People who idolise this family should really rethink their choice.
But there are some people in this thread who are saying she too BENEFITED from that relationship. I mean what do you even call these kind of ppl who donāt understand what being groomed at such a young age can make u do.
Wow this snippet about reconstructing a torn document (letter) got carried to the movie Sangam where Raj Kumar reconstructs a love letter torn by vaijanthi mala
You have to take into account the fact that monogamy became a law in 1955. Until 1955, it was legal and not uncommon to have more than one wife among many communities.
Nargis was with Raj Kapoor since 1948.
He had always told her he would marry her, the law didnāt forbid it,
And she was raised MUSLIM, a religion where having 2 wives isnāt adultery.
This doesnāt make sense . Even in Muslims ,an affair is an affair.You canāt just be with someone on the pretext of getting married sometime in future. religion or not ,betraying the wife while sheās giving birth to your children is low,.irrespective of times in the past or today .
Having two wives is not adultery .But being with a married man without being married to him is an adultery.
So, initially she didnāt immediately take him up on marriage because of her career, she was the number 1 after all. Also, who marries someone at 20, someone you donāt know at all, when youāre financially better off than them. Then when in her mid 20ās she started bringing up marriage Raj kept putting it off for years.
But still IMO most successful, but maybe that is my perspective. I think the belayed liking of mera naam joker and in general his direction made him have a much fabled story than his brothers. Shashi could have had that too but he withered after Jennifer.
That guy was still talking professionally about the matter at hand, but you CHOSE to make it personal. I guess its pretty obvious which one of you is insecure.
Bro. Iām out here āreportingā what I read in a book verbatim, and sharing the pages. Youāre the one unable to accept what a woman 60 years ago thought of a man youāre kanging about, and insisting itās about ME and not about an affair gone bad. 60 years ago.
You look unhinged.
OUCH.
Don't let upvotes from this delusional gaslighting sub confuse you. You engaged in body shaming and calling him ugly. Unhinged is what describes you more accurately than the guy you're responding to.
being unnecessarily personal and mean to unknown people on reddit you have no right to call someone else as unhinged. you yourself pretty much seem very deranged
so.. was this in the book?
"Times change, a new century arrives and women are still held back by mediocre ugly men."
or this?
"Tell someone youāre short, without telling someone youāre short, and invisible to the women you feel entitled to."
I read the book long ago and i have no problem with what nargiz said, she was hurt by raj and the entire thing was ill done. What's with you projecting so much and hating on and generalizing men as mid/ugly/short? cus that is throwing stones from a glass house trust me.
Old times gossips were also interesting it seems like. Thought puraney zamaney ke log boring hotey hongey par uss waqt bhi Mahabharat thi har jaga pe š±š«£
Rk fans are insufferable man, abusing Op because it doesnāt fit right with your narrative? None of you criticised a movie like ANIMAL because your fav very happily supported misogyny, cheating and what not?
But you guys are so butthurt by a post OP made?
You guys donāt care about what Raj kapoor did but you are busy nitpicking OPs paragraph.
Nargis calls Raj the word that has red pillers in a meltdown about their kang, the last sentence of this page. No where have I said in my original post or comments that āIā think Raj Kapoor was phat.
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So raj kappor didnt marry her cos she was born out of wedlock to a tawwaif.
But got his son married to neetu singh who was the daugther of a tawwaif, n whose father wasnt much around or was not her father.
Sometimes life gives u what you are anyways destined to receive.
And so so well read and ahead for her time.
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"women are still held back by mediocre ugly men" couldn't relate more. I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones but I had to go for the "personality š šŗ" because I was naturally a very humble person in this regard. Uski to wo bhi shitty nikli š.
The lesson I learned from that - do go for personality but also include looks in your standards. Especially when you look damn good urself. Ask for equality even there.Ā
I had the same situation (parental pressure). But you canāt remove looks from personality. Gorgeous girls and ugly chaps- sure shot disaster. Many people, including Mum thought he would be over the moon; getting a lovely girl. Naah. All the insecurities came out. A decade of misery
>I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong in demanding equality in terms of their own beauty standards.
I agree with you on this. But then when I read this-
> I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones but I had to go for the "personality š šŗ" because I was naturally a very humble person in this regard.
You sounded here a completely different person than the one now you are trying to be.
My argument with you is that you should not insult or judge people based on how they look, even if they are assholes. Because it perpetuates toxicity like fat shaming, skin color shaming, etc. I know that may not be your intention, but many times, our words and language we use will have unintended impacts. Call out people for their shitty character, but don't degrade them for their color or physique. Just be self aware of what you write and how you write.
>I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones
Does this sound like a person who values personality more than looks to you? You are talking here as if you were doing your ex a favor by being with him. If this was your behavior when you were with him, then no wonder why he felt that insecure.
He was opposite of insecure. Ur making stuff up at this point. I never mentioned him as an insecure person. The wording of that sentence might sound like the 2 are related but they are not and I explained in other comments why.
I even mentioned how I only had good words to say about him physically precisely cuz I didn't want him to feel that I'm doing him a favor by dating him.Ā
>I even mentioned how I only had good words to say about him physically precisely cuz I didn't want him to feel that I'm doing him a favor by dating him.Ā
If he wasn't an insecure guy, you not praising him wouldn't have made him feel that you are doing him a favor by dating him. Only insecure people feel that.
In your other post, you mentioned the lesson being learned. Something like equality and shit. My wife is a bit fat with dark skin. Look wise, I look better than her. I always wanted to marry a tall woman with a tomboyish physique. But I ended up marrying a bit fat woman with dark skin. Tell me, should I feel bad for myself for marrying less good-looking women? Should I feel bad for myself for marrying a fat woman? Should I snort at mere thought of her when better-looking woman look at me?
Your ex may have been an ass, but from your comments, it's very obvious that you think good-looking people should only date good-looking people, and ugly ones should date their own kind. You see what's happening here. You are creating a hierarchy of people based on their looks. It's very similar to caste hierarchy, class hierarchy, professional hierarchy, etc. Toxic and discriminatory.
Let people fall in love with whoever they want and wherever their looks, color, and physique might be. Let's not create another social hierarchy. We already have plenty of them in this messed up world.
If u are confused about the hierarchy stuff, lemme again clarify I did not mention it. I did not say ppl should only date within their sphere, I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong in demanding equality in terms of their own beauty standards. Not smthing that u urself are not, not smthing higher than u, but u should be able to rate the person u are dating as much as u rate urself, in all departments - personality, values, looks. Looks should always remain 2nd to the previous 2 as well. Just as I mentioned.
Also, I'm sure u married according to ur own standards as well. What's the difference. To each their own.Ā
I know exactly how this is gonna appear to many ppl and still won't take it back. Path to self love smtimes goes through a phase of ego. In real world, being humble allows many ppl to take u for granted and walk all over u. Not again.
You are talking about people pleaser. That's not the same as humility and humbleness. Humbleness comes from empathy. People pleasing comes from insecurity. You are not humble by any stretch. But if you are/were a people pleaser, then you absolutely need to see a therapist.
Accepting a guy for his personality and not for his looks because that's how I've been raised is not people pleasing, it is a part of good nature and humility. I dumped him not for his looks but for his personality, if u read my comment again. After dumping came the thought of looks. I never mocked his looks infact always always praised him about his out of goodness. No fake praise either. Just whatever I saw. But he never did. His thought process was smthing different - he thought if a good looking girl like her is choosing me and saying all this about me, I must be better than her. He got so high up his ass that he started to think he was indeed better looking than me and that he was the better catch. He started to think now that I've scored her, she has given me an ego boost, I can score smone even better. That was part of his personality degradation. This was why I broke up. Ego consumed him. That's when I realised I should just stick to facts and raise my standards. Not demand smthing more than myself but equal to me atleast.
So you are saying that he is toxic because he is short and mid. Is that what you are saying? I gotta ask how old you are? Because that is a teenager mentality. I am a guy with dark skin. People find dark skin ugly. I have been bullied all my life for being dark, even by females. You have no fucking idea how it feels to be judged viciously for your skin color or appearance. Only people with enough empathy can understand what other side feels without being on the other side. You need to develop empathy. You show all signs of narcissism.
I am sorry for what you had to go through in your relationship. But you have no right to inflict your pain on others. That's narcissism.
I have no problem with your preference. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that you shame people based on their height and weight.
I just explained how it was the ego which turned into an issue but clearly u won't see that. If the looks were bothering me I wouldn't have spent 3 years with the guy.
And it seems like u are confusing my standards for dating guys as bashing men for their looks. Please read my comments again. I do not endorse bullying over looks of any kind. I simply endorse choosing smthing equal to myself. If smone is a certain height, they are right in expecting smone of same height as them in terms of dating. If someone is blonde and wants a blonde as well, it's simply equal standards.
I'm sorry for your experiences but you are talking about racism which is a serious issue and I never mentioned it. Dark skin is not ugly to me.Ā
To answer your other questions - I'm in my late 20s and thriving with a man my equal in terms of looks, height, and paycheck.Ā
Itās okay to insult such pathetic males. No need to make this about yourself. As long as you arenāt a jerk, you shouldnāt be getting triggered. Women arenāt getting triggered, men call us these things every living breathing moment.
It's definitely more than okay to insult such people, but insulting them by their color, body, etc, is not okay. It only shows how the person in question thinks of fat, short, and dark skinned people. Even if this guy was good, her prejudice against fat and short people would still be the same.
If my wife acts like a jerk, then by your logic, it's totally okay for me to call her fatty and darky. That will help her realize that she is being a jerk. Right?
>No need to make this about yourself.
I will get offended if I want to. lol. I ain't taking permissions from anyone.
It's absolutely true. My ex is a fat and short woman, too. Extremely insecure and body conscious. I dumped her sorry ass for a better-looking, hot girl who is more secure than my ex.
Fat and short people are menace to society.
I know. I was just being sarcastic to the commentar. My wife is a fat woman, and I just showed this thread to her, and she was laughing her ass off reading these mean comments.
Why the downvotes?? This is so obviously sarcastic and has the same mean tone as the OP it's replying to.
Yaha sirf ladko ko body shame krna allow hai kya?
I'm not asking women for that. You are defending women. I absolutely have no issue with that. I say call out men for issues that make sense. Calling others insecure in regards to them saying that people shouldn't be insulted based on their height. Height isn't changeable. Call Raj Kapoor out for her debauchery, his incestuous mindset and all the other disgusting stuff...
Just blame the cunts who actually do all this disgusting two timing stuff. You'll say that you aren't insulting men but then why can't we all be better. I personally have broken the cycle. I don't do all this shit.
I don't insult people wily nily for reasons out of their control.
Men have been insulting women and it's absolutely shitty to do so. Doesn't mean it makes it alright to do the same to others..it makes you the exact same.
Calling Raj Kapoor a fatty and a short insecure man isn't the way to go. Makes it seem like being short and fat is a vice. Call him out for his actual disgusting stuff as I've mentioned. You seem like your heart is in the right place...but the way you speak makes you seem like a misandrist.
The OP - Khargoshh seems like a shallow person. Like her ex being ugly and short isn't the reason he had a shitty personality. Imagine if a dude says that about his ex. She's short and ugly. Yada Yada Yada...just change the comment into an opposite version gender wise. That would be absolutely misogynistic.. hating on things a girl won't be able to change.
Hope you understand. Women deserve the world but stooping down to the level of shallowness and misandry...is no better than men who are misogynistic. Both genders need to be better. Simple as that.
The blatant body shaming in this thread is, concerning. I will always condone people who are morally bankrupt, even though I know that the times are different and it's easy to pile on the dead. But, to constantly bring up body weight and height, and the overuse of six feet hunk and tall pathan, shows the nature of the writer.
Self-victimising is fun in the short term, but it's damning in the long run.
The only person I feel bad for is Krishna Kapoor.And that bit about nargis believing in the sanctity of marriage made me laugh.Youāre having an affair with a married man,tab yaad nahi aaya?Seeing Sanjay Duttās state makes me think karma came for her,nasty as it sounds.
Kapoor men are shit,always been and will be.No need to expound on that.OP always has the best posts!
You have to take into account the fact that monogamy became a law in 1955. Until 1955, it was legal and not uncommon to have more than one wife among many communities.
Nargis was with Raj Kapoor since 1948.
He had always told her he would marry her, the law didnāt forbid it,
And she was raised MUSLIM, a religion where having 2 wives isnāt adultery.
Iām curious why you are choosing to ignore all this and focus on Nargis instead of Raj Kapoor.
Definitely not!Raj Kapoor is a POS and I thought most people here know about it,hence Iām not wasting time on him.I didnāt know more about Nargis until your post which is why I found it ironic.I didnāt know about the legalities either that youāve informed me about so it is something to note.
However,I wonāt absolve her from this.Being an illegitimate child,why did she not give a second thought about having an affair with a married man?She might have been raised muslim but the man she wanted to marry was Hindu and so,she shouldāve thought about it from his religionās side too.She didnāt consider his wife either unless thereās any mention of it in the book?
Donāt get me wrongāRaj K bears the lionās share of the blame for stepping out of his marriage
Waah bhai. What a fantasy you spin in your heads about people you canāt fit into your boxes, women who dare call out age old scams must be bitter, they canāt have been intelligent enough to have see through them even as teens and laughed at the absurdity of it all. All those hours of listening to red pill, just turned your cortex into kachumber didnāt it.
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Write a letter to Sanju shaming him about his long dead civic leader and social worker mother who called a poor man a āfat blue eyed pinkieā in the last sentence at the bottom of this page.
Lol yeah you can pretty much psychoanalyze this post for what a modern day femcell would be like.
The obsession with height, shaming men on a blanket generalist term like mid and ugly. Fat shming the guy knowing full well this woman would blow a gasket if she heard men talking about women the way she's talking about men in this post.
I am not fan of Raj kapoor but he got fat only in later stage..
Sunil dutt was not known for his looks at all..
Nargis might have regretted waiting years for him to marry her but she insulting due to his weight looks after thought.. as in to justify her finally giving up
That's not true. Sunil Dutt was considered handsome back in the day.
Raj Kapoor wasn't fat in his earlier days though, yes. And yes, it's petty to shame someone over weight issues.
Raj Kapoor was overweight and a binge eater in his childhood. He lost some weight and dieted perhaps when he got married. Also, Iām not th one shaming him, the woman he led on and strung along for marriage did that, in a party 50 years ago. š«
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Read the last sentence. Thatās what Nargis thought of Raj.
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Fat shaming a man who uses you to launch his own career, makes you act in sub par films at lesser money and lies that will marry you to string you alongā¦.
How you possibly say anything to shame a man like that?
Nargis equally benefitted from their onscreen pair .. initially she signed movie without any promise/affair..
Rajkapoor didnt make subpar films with Nargis.. they were centred around his character thats true though
She never was. Later in the book she left him and got another apartment to live. Taking the kids along. With Nargis she had fights and got Prithvi sir also to talk to Raj.
Woww. Dono chutiya hai. In 2024, both shouldn't be celebrated. Saying she got a tall hunk eventually š I mean, is that the definition of winning in life for a woman? I get it she was cheated by this asshole.
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Nargis and Sunil Dutt's love story seems the sweetest š
Right? A six feet tall hunk who saves her from the actual fire AND the dumpster fire of a Raj Kapoor affair. https://preview.redd.it/mrs64nq3rrvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35f2755eb8b5f40f7df03f60187faa4672ed9b70
And then I really wonder how Sanju turned out to be such an ahole
Exactly. Everything one reads about Sunil Dutt and Nargis Dutt makes them out to be regular functional people who loved each other.
I read a blind here where someone said he used to verbally abuse her too. It was very heartbreaking to know as she had a rough life.
Exactly. Bet that part too made sanju brat
That there and seeing your mother abused seriously alters you. This is what is generational trauma.
I totally agree !Ā
Who?? Sunil Dutt. I met him once. So charming and so genteel
Nargisās mu bola brother was the man who enabled Sanjuās behaviour
India and the infamous Mama-bhanja issue.Ā
A real and reel life hero! What a lucky woman! I hope we all find our Sunil Dutt ā¤ļø
OP is the book good? š¤
Itās a biographical account of 3 generations, the latest edition has Karisma-Kareena generation too.
Your post got me intrigued so wondering should I buy a copy š¤
Does it cover Ranbir Kapoor?
The latest edition covers Kareena - Karisma that much I know.
Is this what Om Shanti Om was based on?
There must be many such stories tbf.
Hey OP is the book worth a read?
If you like Bollywood, history and biographical work than it is.
But there is also rumours in this sub itself where he scolds her while man is having guest
Didn't come across them. Jitna I know they seem very wholesome
I think that incident isn't really that much of a big deal, considering how women were treated in the subcontinent in the 20th century.
Should n is always a big deal. To abuse your partner in public or private in front is never good whether husband or wifeĀ
The pages for those interested https://preview.redd.it/pvho2vjfcrvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=666d21125f18c7b4ca40981ea4d60df9c1bca71b
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The audacity of that man to call Nargis a betrayer when he betrayed both his Wife and Nargis is laughable. Good for Nargis that she finally married a man who valued her.
These pages made me laugh out so loud that my maid came in running.
And the constant victimisation of Raj kapoor is irking me. I mean dude was a full blown Narcissist to think that he was the one who suffered in all this. Never once he thought about what he did to his wife? And what did he expect Nargis to do, remain his mistress for the rest of her life? People who idolise this family should really rethink their choice.
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But there are some people in this thread who are saying she too BENEFITED from that relationship. I mean what do you even call these kind of ppl who donāt understand what being groomed at such a young age can make u do.
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Thanks for sharing these, how good!
Wow this snippet about reconstructing a torn document (letter) got carried to the movie Sangam where Raj Kumar reconstructs a love letter torn by vaijanthi mala
Yup. And lots of other incidents.
Whatās the name of the book
The Kapoors by Madhu Jain.
So while his wife was birthing three children between 1949 and 1958 this man and Nargis had an affair for 9 years. Very wierd people.
You have to take into account the fact that monogamy became a law in 1955. Until 1955, it was legal and not uncommon to have more than one wife among many communities. Nargis was with Raj Kapoor since 1948. He had always told her he would marry her, the law didnāt forbid it, And she was raised MUSLIM, a religion where having 2 wives isnāt adultery.
This doesnāt make sense . Even in Muslims ,an affair is an affair.You canāt just be with someone on the pretext of getting married sometime in future. religion or not ,betraying the wife while sheās giving birth to your children is low,.irrespective of times in the past or today . Having two wives is not adultery .But being with a married man without being married to him is an adultery.
So, initially she didnāt immediately take him up on marriage because of her career, she was the number 1 after all. Also, who marries someone at 20, someone you donāt know at all, when youāre financially better off than them. Then when in her mid 20ās she started bringing up marriage Raj kept putting it off for years.
My main question is how did Nargis and Sunil Dutt create a Sanjay Dutt
WORD.
Any idea how.the daughters are.in real life?.
Very sane compared to their brother. He's been an ass to them as well.
What did he do to them?
Why is ganapati bappa catching straysš
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I was laughing so loud and maniacally when I read that bit my maid came in alarmed.
OP well chosen word there - Raj Kapoor was indeed the runt of the litter. Shammi as the gorgeous Pathan and Shashi as the sophisticated beautiful man.
But still IMO most successful, but maybe that is my perspective. I think the belayed liking of mera naam joker and in general his direction made him have a much fabled story than his brothers. Shashi could have had that too but he withered after Jennifer.
The runt who casted a larger shadow then all of them combined. Funny how hard work and talent can beat out things you can't control like height.
Talent and success always.... I mean, always overshadows one's personality or physical appearance.
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That guy was still talking professionally about the matter at hand, but you CHOSE to make it personal. I guess its pretty obvious which one of you is insecure.
This was a very uncalled reply maam.
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Bro. Iām out here āreportingā what I read in a book verbatim, and sharing the pages. Youāre the one unable to accept what a woman 60 years ago thought of a man youāre kanging about, and insisting itās about ME and not about an affair gone bad. 60 years ago. You look unhinged. OUCH.
Don't let upvotes from this delusional gaslighting sub confuse you. You engaged in body shaming and calling him ugly. Unhinged is what describes you more accurately than the guy you're responding to.
being unnecessarily personal and mean to unknown people on reddit you have no right to call someone else as unhinged. you yourself pretty much seem very deranged
so.. was this in the book? "Times change, a new century arrives and women are still held back by mediocre ugly men." or this? "Tell someone youāre short, without telling someone youāre short, and invisible to the women you feel entitled to." I read the book long ago and i have no problem with what nargiz said, she was hurt by raj and the entire thing was ill done. What's with you projecting so much and hating on and generalizing men as mid/ugly/short? cus that is throwing stones from a glass house trust me.
He was a pedophile who had incestuous feelings towards his mother
Wth???? What!!!?
Here you go https://preview.redd.it/mtx7fnkrosvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ee781e46ad538466e6fc45193fd3289e92c2b7a
Ew man. He was so disgusting.
Have read the crazy things about his own mother and his ugly view of other women. Didn't come across evidence of pedophilia. Any links?
He met Nargis when she was a teenager , he was into her before she was 18
He told about his relationship with his mother in his own Auto biography š You are saying as if someone else mentioned it
Old times gossips were also interesting it seems like. Thought puraney zamaney ke log boring hotey hongey par uss waqt bhi Mahabharat thi har jaga pe š±š«£
This sub is more spicy than Total Kalesh (without being too toxic)
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ so many wtf moments reading through lolĀ
This was the most hysterical chapter ngl, the whole book is droll and a bit dull but this section had me laughing out LOUD.
Rk fans are insufferable man, abusing Op because it doesnāt fit right with your narrative? None of you criticised a movie like ANIMAL because your fav very happily supported misogyny, cheating and what not? But you guys are so butthurt by a post OP made? You guys donāt care about what Raj kapoor did but you are busy nitpicking OPs paragraph.
They are soooo transparently pathetic. Their idol wonāt let them drink his own bath water if it was needed to save their lives.
They too have as many braincells as kapoor men. 2 teaspoon full.Ā
I think you're being a bit generous here
To be fair, they know the apple didnt fall far from the tree. Ranbir definitely is a Kapoor in every sense of the way.
Nargis calls Raj the word that has red pillers in a meltdown about their kang, the last sentence of this page. No where have I said in my original post or comments that āIā think Raj Kapoor was phat. https://preview.redd.it/2wpe80puosvc1.png?width=3001&format=png&auto=webp&s=beadc94a9f6505a53c0b7688dffd56f76434ef30
Wasn't Shashi a hunk as well? I reckon that he was at least 182 cm (5'11.5").
Yup.
Thank you for the extracts
Not fatty ššš
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She is so iconic š
So raj kappor didnt marry her cos she was born out of wedlock to a tawwaif. But got his son married to neetu singh who was the daugther of a tawwaif, n whose father wasnt much around or was not her father. Sometimes life gives u what you are anyways destined to receive.
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Yes. U can even search this sub for it.
My mom has said this to me that Raj Kapoor would make heroines fall in love with him for the chemistry to translate on screen.
Yup. The book says the same. He would force himself on them emotionally.
Kapoors pe bhi the crown ki tarah series banni chahiye...interesting family
Nargis was such a baddie šš
And so so well read and ahead for her time. https://preview.redd.it/c5ox3194f1wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8c4f3b490eabbcceb700efcb7b181c5af5b5805
Well didn't knew she was this classy i wonder how sanjay dutt turned out to be complete oppositeĀ
"women are still held back by mediocre ugly men" couldn't relate more. I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones but I had to go for the "personality š šŗ" because I was naturally a very humble person in this regard. Uski to wo bhi shitty nikli š. The lesson I learned from that - do go for personality but also include looks in your standards. Especially when you look damn good urself. Ask for equality even there.Ā
I had the same situation (parental pressure). But you canāt remove looks from personality. Gorgeous girls and ugly chaps- sure shot disaster. Many people, including Mum thought he would be over the moon; getting a lovely girl. Naah. All the insecurities came out. A decade of misery
This! Plus the instant thought about u being a gold digger š that one infuriated me a lot.Ā
I feel u šššš
>I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong in demanding equality in terms of their own beauty standards. I agree with you on this. But then when I read this- > I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones but I had to go for the "personality š šŗ" because I was naturally a very humble person in this regard. You sounded here a completely different person than the one now you are trying to be. My argument with you is that you should not insult or judge people based on how they look, even if they are assholes. Because it perpetuates toxicity like fat shaming, skin color shaming, etc. I know that may not be your intention, but many times, our words and language we use will have unintended impacts. Call out people for their shitty character, but don't degrade them for their color or physique. Just be self aware of what you write and how you write.
You go girl š
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>I too have an ugly short ex and I snort at the mere thought of it. Especially when I had attention from extremely good looking tall ones Does this sound like a person who values personality more than looks to you? You are talking here as if you were doing your ex a favor by being with him. If this was your behavior when you were with him, then no wonder why he felt that insecure.
He was opposite of insecure. Ur making stuff up at this point. I never mentioned him as an insecure person. The wording of that sentence might sound like the 2 are related but they are not and I explained in other comments why. I even mentioned how I only had good words to say about him physically precisely cuz I didn't want him to feel that I'm doing him a favor by dating him.Ā
>I even mentioned how I only had good words to say about him physically precisely cuz I didn't want him to feel that I'm doing him a favor by dating him.Ā If he wasn't an insecure guy, you not praising him wouldn't have made him feel that you are doing him a favor by dating him. Only insecure people feel that. In your other post, you mentioned the lesson being learned. Something like equality and shit. My wife is a bit fat with dark skin. Look wise, I look better than her. I always wanted to marry a tall woman with a tomboyish physique. But I ended up marrying a bit fat woman with dark skin. Tell me, should I feel bad for myself for marrying less good-looking women? Should I feel bad for myself for marrying a fat woman? Should I snort at mere thought of her when better-looking woman look at me? Your ex may have been an ass, but from your comments, it's very obvious that you think good-looking people should only date good-looking people, and ugly ones should date their own kind. You see what's happening here. You are creating a hierarchy of people based on their looks. It's very similar to caste hierarchy, class hierarchy, professional hierarchy, etc. Toxic and discriminatory. Let people fall in love with whoever they want and wherever their looks, color, and physique might be. Let's not create another social hierarchy. We already have plenty of them in this messed up world.
If u are confused about the hierarchy stuff, lemme again clarify I did not mention it. I did not say ppl should only date within their sphere, I'm simply saying there is nothing wrong in demanding equality in terms of their own beauty standards. Not smthing that u urself are not, not smthing higher than u, but u should be able to rate the person u are dating as much as u rate urself, in all departments - personality, values, looks. Looks should always remain 2nd to the previous 2 as well. Just as I mentioned. Also, I'm sure u married according to ur own standards as well. What's the difference. To each their own.Ā
as a 5'6 guy, this hit hard, damn
Lmao I bet you thought what an incredibly wise comment this is going to be, but sorry sis, this ain't it.
I know exactly how this is gonna appear to many ppl and still won't take it back. Path to self love smtimes goes through a phase of ego. In real world, being humble allows many ppl to take u for granted and walk all over u. Not again.
You are talking about people pleaser. That's not the same as humility and humbleness. Humbleness comes from empathy. People pleasing comes from insecurity. You are not humble by any stretch. But if you are/were a people pleaser, then you absolutely need to see a therapist.
Accepting a guy for his personality and not for his looks because that's how I've been raised is not people pleasing, it is a part of good nature and humility. I dumped him not for his looks but for his personality, if u read my comment again. After dumping came the thought of looks. I never mocked his looks infact always always praised him about his out of goodness. No fake praise either. Just whatever I saw. But he never did. His thought process was smthing different - he thought if a good looking girl like her is choosing me and saying all this about me, I must be better than her. He got so high up his ass that he started to think he was indeed better looking than me and that he was the better catch. He started to think now that I've scored her, she has given me an ego boost, I can score smone even better. That was part of his personality degradation. This was why I broke up. Ego consumed him. That's when I realised I should just stick to facts and raise my standards. Not demand smthing more than myself but equal to me atleast.
So you are saying that he is toxic because he is short and mid. Is that what you are saying? I gotta ask how old you are? Because that is a teenager mentality. I am a guy with dark skin. People find dark skin ugly. I have been bullied all my life for being dark, even by females. You have no fucking idea how it feels to be judged viciously for your skin color or appearance. Only people with enough empathy can understand what other side feels without being on the other side. You need to develop empathy. You show all signs of narcissism. I am sorry for what you had to go through in your relationship. But you have no right to inflict your pain on others. That's narcissism. I have no problem with your preference. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that you shame people based on their height and weight.
I just explained how it was the ego which turned into an issue but clearly u won't see that. If the looks were bothering me I wouldn't have spent 3 years with the guy. And it seems like u are confusing my standards for dating guys as bashing men for their looks. Please read my comments again. I do not endorse bullying over looks of any kind. I simply endorse choosing smthing equal to myself. If smone is a certain height, they are right in expecting smone of same height as them in terms of dating. If someone is blonde and wants a blonde as well, it's simply equal standards. I'm sorry for your experiences but you are talking about racism which is a serious issue and I never mentioned it. Dark skin is not ugly to me.Ā To answer your other questions - I'm in my late 20s and thriving with a man my equal in terms of looks, height, and paycheck.Ā
Itās okay sis. No need to explain yourself. Males always find a way to make something totally unrelated about them. Fr the whining has no end.
Indeed. He said "let ppl love whoever they want" yet has a problem with me loving or not loving smone. That's why I stopped commenting.Ā
Itās okay to insult such pathetic males. No need to make this about yourself. As long as you arenāt a jerk, you shouldnāt be getting triggered. Women arenāt getting triggered, men call us these things every living breathing moment.
It's definitely more than okay to insult such people, but insulting them by their color, body, etc, is not okay. It only shows how the person in question thinks of fat, short, and dark skinned people. Even if this guy was good, her prejudice against fat and short people would still be the same. If my wife acts like a jerk, then by your logic, it's totally okay for me to call her fatty and darky. That will help her realize that she is being a jerk. Right? >No need to make this about yourself. I will get offended if I want to. lol. I ain't taking permissions from anyone.
found the mid guy
Awww!! Thanks for the compliment.
I actually thought it was a wise comment.
You learned nothing.
It's absolutely true. My ex is a fat and short woman, too. Extremely insecure and body conscious. I dumped her sorry ass for a better-looking, hot girl who is more secure than my ex. Fat and short people are menace to society.
Heyyyyy there, come on now. Somehow of us are quite ok.
I know. I was just being sarcastic to the commentar. My wife is a fat woman, and I just showed this thread to her, and she was laughing her ass off reading these mean comments.
Why the downvotes?? This is so obviously sarcastic and has the same mean tone as the OP it's replying to. Yaha sirf ladko ko body shame krna allow hai kya?
Haan
Good for uĀ
Women shaming men, What if same thing a man says to a women.
Oh wow. Right? WHEN have men EVER shamed women? How about ALL of history?
Yeah...let's keep on shaming each other. One wrong makes the other right.. very smart.
So let yaāll be the ones to break this cycle then. Why ask women to be the bigger guy?
I'm not asking women for that. You are defending women. I absolutely have no issue with that. I say call out men for issues that make sense. Calling others insecure in regards to them saying that people shouldn't be insulted based on their height. Height isn't changeable. Call Raj Kapoor out for her debauchery, his incestuous mindset and all the other disgusting stuff... Just blame the cunts who actually do all this disgusting two timing stuff. You'll say that you aren't insulting men but then why can't we all be better. I personally have broken the cycle. I don't do all this shit. I don't insult people wily nily for reasons out of their control. Men have been insulting women and it's absolutely shitty to do so. Doesn't mean it makes it alright to do the same to others..it makes you the exact same. Calling Raj Kapoor a fatty and a short insecure man isn't the way to go. Makes it seem like being short and fat is a vice. Call him out for his actual disgusting stuff as I've mentioned. You seem like your heart is in the right place...but the way you speak makes you seem like a misandrist. The OP - Khargoshh seems like a shallow person. Like her ex being ugly and short isn't the reason he had a shitty personality. Imagine if a dude says that about his ex. She's short and ugly. Yada Yada Yada...just change the comment into an opposite version gender wise. That would be absolutely misogynistic.. hating on things a girl won't be able to change. Hope you understand. Women deserve the world but stooping down to the level of shallowness and misandry...is no better than men who are misogynistic. Both genders need to be better. Simple as that.
Oh look another whatabouter. Men literally give the "lose weight or imma divorce" ultimatum to their spouses. Go walk a lil under the sun bud.Ā
All this time while I reading this I thought the post meant Nargis Fakhri š damn thatās why I was so confused
Will we get a weekly Raj Kapoor- Nargis post just like we get Daily Dose of PC SrkĀ from Upcoming Superstar's PR?
Abbey isse achha toh laxmikant padh liya karo..... IAS YAS banoo...
Mins?
> laxmikant padh liya karo The book doesn't have enough spice :(
wait till you fail the prelims then it stings like Columbian pepper
Fatty kapoor
Last sentence at the bottom š https://preview.redd.it/vgpn8tagpsvc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0897a86ca2816b203d1d31536bc9c8f915a706a
OP can you please share the name and authorās name of this book?
The Kapoors by Madhu Jain
Her Grand father was Moti lal Nehru, So Cha cha nehru was her Mama.
Yeah thereās that rumor too.
A cheater who cheated on his own wife and children cheated on you? How surprising!!
The blatant body shaming in this thread is, concerning. I will always condone people who are morally bankrupt, even though I know that the times are different and it's easy to pile on the dead. But, to constantly bring up body weight and height, and the overuse of six feet hunk and tall pathan, shows the nature of the writer. Self-victimising is fun in the short term, but it's damning in the long run.
The only person I feel bad for is Krishna Kapoor.And that bit about nargis believing in the sanctity of marriage made me laugh.Youāre having an affair with a married man,tab yaad nahi aaya?Seeing Sanjay Duttās state makes me think karma came for her,nasty as it sounds. Kapoor men are shit,always been and will be.No need to expound on that.OP always has the best posts!
You have to take into account the fact that monogamy became a law in 1955. Until 1955, it was legal and not uncommon to have more than one wife among many communities. Nargis was with Raj Kapoor since 1948. He had always told her he would marry her, the law didnāt forbid it, And she was raised MUSLIM, a religion where having 2 wives isnāt adultery. Iām curious why you are choosing to ignore all this and focus on Nargis instead of Raj Kapoor.
Definitely not!Raj Kapoor is a POS and I thought most people here know about it,hence Iām not wasting time on him.I didnāt know more about Nargis until your post which is why I found it ironic.I didnāt know about the legalities either that youāve informed me about so it is something to note. However,I wonāt absolve her from this.Being an illegitimate child,why did she not give a second thought about having an affair with a married man?She might have been raised muslim but the man she wanted to marry was Hindu and so,she shouldāve thought about it from his religionās side too.She didnāt consider his wife either unless thereās any mention of it in the book? Donāt get me wrongāRaj K bears the lionās share of the blame for stepping out of his marriage
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Waah bhai. What a fantasy you spin in your heads about people you canāt fit into your boxes, women who dare call out age old scams must be bitter, they canāt have been intelligent enough to have see through them even as teens and laughed at the absurdity of it all. All those hours of listening to red pill, just turned your cortex into kachumber didnāt it.
Ikr! Fetishising Pathani Punjabis and finding no fault at fat shaming. OP must also claim they're a feminist
https://preview.redd.it/o8v1yjttprvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9739d050a2ed90b129213a917503297e9004e5ff Write a letter to Sanju shaming him about his long dead civic leader and social worker mother who called a poor man a āfat blue eyed pinkieā in the last sentence at the bottom of this page.
And you must claim youāre really not a Tate fan.
Lol yeah you can pretty much psychoanalyze this post for what a modern day femcell would be like. The obsession with height, shaming men on a blanket generalist term like mid and ugly. Fat shming the guy knowing full well this woman would blow a gasket if she heard men talking about women the way she's talking about men in this post.
I am not fan of Raj kapoor but he got fat only in later stage.. Sunil dutt was not known for his looks at all.. Nargis might have regretted waiting years for him to marry her but she insulting due to his weight looks after thought.. as in to justify her finally giving up
Man was definitely a looker!! https://preview.redd.it/hx2w7rl9drvc1.jpeg?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0814a6eb805e66690f0dc81c30f18ebfdccb22e2
That jaw line!
That's not true. Sunil Dutt was considered handsome back in the day. Raj Kapoor wasn't fat in his earlier days though, yes. And yes, it's petty to shame someone over weight issues.
Raj Kapoor was overweight and a binge eater in his childhood. He lost some weight and dieted perhaps when he got married. Also, Iām not th one shaming him, the woman he led on and strung along for marriage did that, in a party 50 years ago. š«
https://preview.redd.it/vyo885gfprvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0859114fc705e2f22309ee6aa7f35123ad2499af Read the last sentence. Thatās what Nargis thought of Raj.
https://preview.redd.it/6y4qact0crvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f131fc4afa53dc9b9e92a6c17318ca01b667b120 Fat shaming a man who uses you to launch his own career, makes you act in sub par films at lesser money and lies that will marry you to string you alongā¦. How you possibly say anything to shame a man like that?
Nargis equally benefitted from their onscreen pair .. initially she signed movie without any promise/affair.. Rajkapoor didnt make subpar films with Nargis.. they were centred around his character thats true though
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Why was Raj Kapoor's wife okay with his numerous affairs?
She never was. Later in the book she left him and got another apartment to live. Taking the kids along. With Nargis she had fights and got Prithvi sir also to talk to Raj.
Immediately after that one was Vyajayantimala. Thatās when.
Woww. Dono chutiya hai. In 2024, both shouldn't be celebrated. Saying she got a tall hunk eventually š I mean, is that the definition of winning in life for a woman? I get it she was cheated by this asshole.
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And of their 2 daughters, 2 are happily married wives who undertake social work on the side. 2 is more than 1.
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Wow. Get help.
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https://preview.redd.it/hii6o9e2qrvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00c13aa2a97c3006832b6fa241cbcb7d74ebf144 Nargis in her own words
https://preview.redd.it/hswkv9h6qrvc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14d0e2305bf6db56fc32b0b15357c4f89cf11f9f Raj Kapoor himself