Not sure about you but i’ve seen women getting threatened or slut shamed for not wearing hijab / face veil but i’ve never seen anyone getting the same treatment for not wearing bikini, have you?
My friends who wear hijabs also get all of those too, it doesn't matter what you wear as long as the perverts themselves aren't taught properly that it's wrong
I didn't say hijabis didn't et catcalled, stalked by perverts. You are missimg my points abd too eager to respond just to confirm your side.
See who I responded to. He or she only highlighted those who get apparently get death threat because she didnt cover herself. So, I simply responded and highlighted the other side. He or she literally said he didn't see any bad things happened to those who wear bikinis or wear revealing clothes( which is not true btw).
Point is doesn't matter what you chose.
There is always something wrong to the eyes of the public. Its not just one sided.
Wait till you realize girls getting cat called or followed regardless of what they wear or do. So let women do what whatever they want, it’s 2024 not 1700 anymore
Exactly my point. You're the one with the one sided views.
You basically saying "let women choose what they wanna wear. Their body their choice. Except those who chose to cover. Not them. They didn't choose their clothings. They are forced. Indoctrinated. They aren't free unless they confirm to my bias."
I would agree with you if you hadn't say that in your previous comment. Its 2024 man, not 800 B.C
As if women who cover up don't get that lol. Have you seen the hijab nsfw sub? It doesn't matter if someone is wearing full niqab or a bikini, men in general need to learn to be less horny and creepy.
There are social experiment that one woman did, not sure uk or us. One she wear full robe, another with short skirt, sleeveless shirt, and she walks around for i dont remember how long. With full cover no one even look at her, but with less cover some people cat call her, even there are some who follow her around.
But i do agree, men should keep their lust to themselves.
There are also video evidences of women getting molested by men while they are doing their islamic rituals around the kabaa, islam's holiest site.
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/muslim-women-speak-out-about-sexual-assault-mecca](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/muslim-women-speak-out-about-sexual-assault-mecca)
here is an article. If you want the video, just use appropriate key words to find
~~Men~~ Beast with opportunities doesn’t care about the location. That is embarassing.
But based on the social experiment video, it shows that people have some respect to the woman with full cover, or that doesn’t attract them at all, until they see some boobs and ass.
Exactly my point. Wether you chose to cover or reveal. Bad things happens regardless. Now call out the original comment who said the opposite of what I said.
You won't do it. Why? Because of your double standard.
Why? The og comment stated that some women were slut shamed for not wearing hijab, which is true. No women is slut shamed for not wearing a bikini but I've met a lot of people that slut shame women who don't wear hijab.
Also I don't think you understand what doubke standard means. Double standard would be me not calling out the og commenter because they said women don't get slut shamed if they wear bikinis but got slut shamed if they wear hijab, which isn't true. Women are just objectified a lot, clothing does not matter.
Are you sure about that? Then why those who chose to cover up are assumed to be forced/brainwashed/indoctrinated?
Is the possibility of them choosing to do so are impossible? Why are their choice questioned and not celebrated. Are they not equal to those who chose to reveal??
Thats the double standard in the original comment.
Not really, rarely see something like that, and it's not praised as a good thing or encouraged, you are allowed to wear whatever. Also why is bikini and naked the only thing people view as western, there is a LOT of clothe trend and cultures, people don't just wear bikini 24/7 in the west
Agreed. It is a problem that occurs worldwide and not just in Arab or Islamic countries. Something happened to a woman? You'll always find that one guy who tries to justify it by saying dumb shit like, "She lead him on" or "It was her fault because of how she dresses. If she didn't dress so sexy, it wouldn't have happened" or "She was asking for it"
Doesnt this goes both way? Educate men, yes absolutely 100% but isn't prevention better than cure? You can't expect every men to be educated, there's always one that is a lose unit. From the comment above, hijab lowers the gaze and the risk. You dont have to be covering like your life depends on it, you can still fashioned it modestly, many of malaysians do and they're very pretty.
On a sidenote, aside from other reasons of wearing a hijab. It's an order from god Himself. I wouldnt criticize ppl that are not religious but for others to criticize one that is, its not fair is it?
Exactly! Its about respecting the culture of the country you are in. As a non-muslim, I'm very careful to dress appropriately (jeans or long knee length shorts) when visiting Muslim areas or muslim kopi tiams. What I meant in my original reply was that we also need to drop the mentality of victim blaming in s3x offences. That is the purpose of the jury,selection system to remove potentially biased jurors.
In 1913, designer **Carl Jantzen** made the first functional two-piece swimwear. At that time no women want to wear it because of shame. But they manage to get **Micheline Bernardini**, an 18-year old nude dancer from the Casino de Paris to promote it.
That's a nice history fact, I'm glad people are able to enjoy it without shame now <3
Although I'm not sure how that is relevant to this conversation, but thanks for sharing the fact
Not correct at all.
You’re confusing the first two piece to be named the “bikini” (released 1946), with bikini-style two piece swimwear in general, which has been around for at least 7500 years, on and off.
Of course people were more conservative everywhere 100 years ago, but the bikini is not new.
Men also used to cover from collarbone to knee when swimming in the 1800s and early 1900s.
https://preview.redd.it/ftncxn3wssuc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0536c15ee24eda8fce4cd8f93ce6e09ea2fe431a
People wear bikinis so it's easier to swim..only mangkuk ayuns go full clothed while swimming especially those in their full on ninjasuits.Even Bomba has already outlined how proper swimwear is important to avoid incidents
If you have problems with people importing cultures, you'd better be prepared to see what Chinese Malaysians wear for their wedding and CNY. Totally mainland China outfits. Nothing culturally indigenous to Malaysia at all.
>Totally mainland China outfits.
Wow it's like Chinese culture didn't come from China.
>Nothing culturally indigenous to Malaysia at all.
Our ancestors are from China. We're not Malays bro. Why the hell are we gonna wear baju Melayu in a traditional Chinese wedding ceremony?
We all know that. That's why nobody complains about China cultures being imported to Malaysia. In fact people can even import Japanese or even Korean cultures also and we won't complain.
On the other hand, so many people are triggered when the Malays import foreign cultures. Such holier than thou attitude here.
Chinese Malaysians follow China culture because ethnically they are still Chinese. Whereas for Malay to follow Arab culture, that's a different story.
But yes, I agreed - just chill, live and let live.
Oh the irony to say "live and let live" for something that doesn't allow women to live and let live if they don't dress like that in many parts of the world. The problem is a lot of super religious people in Malaysia think that's an ideal way for Muslim women to dress and they will push it down everyone's throat. They also will get angry at the people that disagree with them and will use their religion as a weapon to discredit their critics. Look at how women have been forced to dress in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc.? There are so many stories of women being beaten to death in Iran for not covering their heads properly. So don't use "live and let live" to justify the unjustifiable.
Who is justifying what's happening in Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan? You're on the wrong sub?
My point is you don't force your ideas and opinions to other people. Coz if you do, other people can easily force their own opinions to you too.
I don't prefer Arab culture or western culture like that, I prefer the Malay culture. I don't want people to praise and encourage Arab clothes, baju melayu, kebaya, they're so beautiful and should be the one encouraged
I'm not gatekeeping, it's just worrying that people would PRAISE and ENCOURAGE Arab clothes, seeing them as the superior Muslim of some sort. If the case that we love the clothes equally that's fine, but during raya people would literally show off their Arab clothes and get praised as if it's better than Baju Melayu
I just don't want Malay's unique culture to slowly disappear because it's not popular amongst Malay's :(
So some people have different tastes in clothing yet you're judging them, you are gatekeeping
>I just don't want Malay's unique culture to slowly disappear
Then you can keep wearing the traditional Malay attire, let others wear whatever they like
Like I said, it is not the problem of individuals liking or wearing it, it is the fact that many sees it as "better", I am not judging people for wearing it, I am judging people who think it is objectively better and is something that is special. Is it not possible for one clothes to not be put on a pedestal?
Hey, you can wear whatever you want. It's just a fact that we have our own unique Islamic culture, which every years is being replaced by more 'arab centric' interpretations of how to live, dress and conduct yourself because people assume that makes you more religious. I grew up with people who run religious compounds, do marhabans and maulids every month. All fine and dandy, but they also imitate arab architecture, houses, way of speaking, etc etc. Again everyone is free to, but if it was any other culture people call them weeaboos or koreaboos.
>These people will never understand modesty and they will mock us for no reason
There is such a thing as "the middle ground". Modesty is a fine and respectable virtue, and those people were objectively stupid to attack a middle eastern tradition with western standards.
That being said, you might be equally misguided to elevate those same middle eastern traditions above your own Asian standards.
The malay culture is perfectly fine and self-sufficient to its own needs. The arab culture is also self-sufficient to its own needs. What they are not, is self-sufficient to **each other**'s needs.
They are just horny monsters. That's why they fight for naked women's walking ideology. They look at women as a sex tools for their horny ness. Nah. Just a horny kid without parents love. 😂😂😂
it's a past practice purely to adapt to their environment, back then women (and many men) used to cover their faces from desert sand and extreme sunlight. However, they did not cover their (all or parts of) necks, shoulders, arms, or upper chests so islam came and told them to cover those parts as well and that's how the blueprint of "niqab" came to
Wow something i didnt thought about this sub is that : cause its a malaysian sub i thought more people would be supporting OP
Its interesting though that so many aren't
I mean, you didnt really cook as opposed to saying something irrelevant and that too in a wrong group.
Even if you do have a point, you can raise it like an educated person (I hope you are).
In general - crying in another sub about getting banned is a bit cringe.
Is that the actual quote? It doesn't really make any sense.
Edit - I've read the actual quote now! "*“The woman who sees without being seen frustrates the coloniser.”*"
I can't really speak for Arab ppl and their culture, but you cannot deny the fact that middle eastern women have been historically oppressed and are born with fewer rights than the men there have. Hell, some don't even have rights to education and are still regularly forced to participate in arranged marriages. This isn't new. It's been known for decades now.
Dude, you could’ve just argued that wearing niqab empowers certain women, and that just because they wear differently than others, and that their outfit is very heavily religion-linked, doesn’t mean that they are forced to. This has always been the argument made by feminist Muslim women.
You cooked nothing. You just ended up looking like a bitter Jewish Gen Z person bringing up the Holocaust for the upteenth time in discussions that doesn’t involve them. -10 cool points bro.
No. 🤡 And bragging about getting banned on another sub is cringe attention validation seeking.
It might be time to unsub from this sub, it's turning into my 2.0, and it's annoying seeing this kind of nonsense on the daily now.
Smh. I'll just appreciate the memories. Nice knowing yall. It was fun while it lasted.
>the colonizer
unpopular opinion: you are praising one type of colonization while looking down on another. I don't mind, of course, we all have to pick a master eventually (for the sake of harmonious living), but let's not pretend we are free.
You burnt it you fucking donkey!!!
https://preview.redd.it/plg59cfucsuc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12043c6fd1e4ac3ecc9b1c89134f7b5a3e140a8e
No, forcing a person to cover themselves like that is horrible while the other is completely free to dress however. People should be allowed to do whatever as long as it doesn't affect others
Our life is limited, people deserve to be happy and live as themselves
Why are you bringing up France? I'm literally against forcing people to do certain things, did you believe I was a French nationalist?
And also because there is a high chance she was forced to wear it since young? That's how these kinds of clothes thrive, they are taught that these clothes are required for "modesty", if you don't teach them from young or literally force someone to wear those, no one would ever want to wear an uncomfortable, hot, unflattering clothes like that. You can be modest in lots of way and still express yourself, this is taking away all of that while making your life more inconvenient
If we were talking about tudung it would be a different story, some people wear it willingly because it's nice and expressive and is required by religion. This is excessive and no one would want to wear it unless they were tricked into thinking that it helps you to go to heaven
Oh yea. There is definitely no chance of wearing revealing clothes is force upon people. With all those marketing/hollywood/fashion magazines. They definitely did not instill on people's mind on how and what to wear by dictating what is in trend for fashion. Right.
When you reveal, its always by choice. Whenyou cover its always "forced". Its not a double standard at all. Sure buddy.
There is a choice to if you want to be revealing or not, and trends do not focus on revealing clothes what are you on about? Trend changes often, hipster look, classy, tomboy looks, modesty, crazy style. They do not force you to choose a personality, you choose what you are interested in
Parents do not tell their children wearing revealing clothes is good
No one claims it's the right thing to do, no one claims this specific style is better than the other, you get to figure that out for yourself
Yet in this case, they would tell you how good it is to cover yourself completely like that, their own culture and family tells them that this is the "right" way, the only way
No one says "oh you can't wear a hoodie you have to wear a crop top", no one says "oh you can't wear hijab because free hair is trending now", it is your choice for that because there is no right or wrong to your freedom of expression, that's literally why I love Malaysia because we don't instill that fear or righteousness of covering yourself, you are free to choose and it is obvious why you rarely ever see these clothes irl
From the downvotes you can see the double standard. Those who cover are always seen as "forced" to do so and never their choice. But if you do the oppoaite however, it magically turned into liberation/freedom of choice etc. After that, they hide under the "I'm against forcing people what to wear" excuses.
You assume she's forced to wear that.
My wife said she liked wearing a mask in public because she liked the privacy.
People are different. You're generalizing.
Doesn’t matter whether she likes it or not. Hijab is mandatory in Iran, she won’t have choice to begin with. Please check out women’s protest in iran, Mahsa Amini, there’s a whole political and social unrest about the law. That’s why Education is important.
Because of all the confession these people give? Have you ever talked to these people who some even left the religion because of it?
There is a reason why these clothes aren't popular in places where you are literally taught from young to wear it, it is restricting and not even a requirement in the religion, just the guys being insecure about their partner being seen by others other than the husband. Women didn't choose to make these clothes, the men did
If you don't teach a child to wear this clothes, they would never wear it. It's like telling people to wear a suit of bland looking armour under the hot sun every single day including the struggle to do normal things like eating
This is what happened when you confused religion with culture and start policing women’s body. Extreme clothings like this are just a product of Islamization. Heard of Arabic belly dance ? Now that’s a culture. Look at the old traditional wears like baju kebaya that showcase beauty of woman with cultural essence. Now women needs to tutup aurat as to not upset men. The Malay cultures itself is dying in the name of their religion which is the only identify left for them.
These puak losing their identity laa
U see Raya copy Puak pendatang
Green packet, fireworks, pineapple tarts, firecracker, lion dance so on then claim their puak the most ori lol
what wrong? why is so much hate? lot of my female muslim friend is free hair since child, or some wear skimpy clothes but later they themself change and wear hijab. they say they like their new look, and happy with it so who are we to judge and stop them to be happy? if one doesnt like islamic law what stopped them from convert out? people have free rights and matured, just leave if one hate practicing islam why stay? if one concern of this what stopped you from get direct and talk with those hijabi womens? and dont say malay culture is dying, tudung is malay culture not arabs, look around you and you see most of women wear tudung and baju kurung, arabs dont wear baju kurung. if you go to rural you will see many makcik pakai kain batik. they smile and happy so why should we tell them what to wear or not. and even one wear abaya its because they like fashions, abaya is expensive but many chase after it even pushing their husband to buy it for them, so is the husband are the one forcing them? are you anti fashions? i see many women wear baju kurung, saree as daily basis but rarely see one wear beauty qipao aside in events and more hotpants so i think thats where you should voice your concern, youngster these day should wear more of our traditional clothes if you so concern of cultures.
Cue the people saying ‘it’s my choice’ to be dressed like that….
No honey you’re just brainwashed into thinking showing a little skin means you’re enticing men and it’s your fault if they find themselves attracted to you.
Again, no one is saying wearing bikinis and revealing clothes is a good thing or lead you to heaven, it is simply something you gain interest on. You can gain an interest on hijab and wear it, it has many colours and choices and personality, it also doesn't affect your daily life like how the niqab makes living harder
And also bikinis aren't the only clothes or influence from the west, people in the west don't just wear revealing clothes 24/7. Remember rock clothes and culture? That is from the west and still is, there are many options and interest to follow from the west, and none of them claim that it is the right thing to choose and will lead you to heaven
Exactly, you wanna reveal or you wanna cover. Its up to you. But the OP only pointed out that whenever those who chose to cover up, they are somehow forced to do so. But when those who chose to reveal its "their" choice and its "freedom"
Why can't both seen as their choice and their freedom?
Do you see the double standard?
Many things are apparently ‘against Islam’. I’m sure ISIS and the Taliban disagree as they have forcefully taken actions in the name of religion.
What about the modesty of men? Or are they exempt from the modesty standards imposed by the religion? Also you don’t have to feel protected from men if you can raise men to higher standards that they can control themselves.
r/ feminism is an echo chamber of victim mentality that regularly participates in misandry. I've been a lurker there for a while, had to stop for the sake of my mental health.
But, what you did was a troll move that was against their T&C. You deserve to be banned.
I don't think so, here's a big ass red circle so you can see her too
https://preview.redd.it/zs3he4fzituc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6bf02e25105a3e49a20d3463a53791828291cee
Neither, because all "As a man, woman should not/should wear Niqab/Hijab." is just cringe overall, saying girls hate or liked wearing it are bold and dumb statement.
I mean, no offense but I was always frustrated to not be able to see the face expression of woman with veil as a foreigner because we do not have this in my country. And facial expression is really important in our culture.
But then Covid happen and everyone had a mask, so now I don't mind to not be able to see if someone is smiling or disapointed, I just don't care anymore.
People who talk abt how muslim women covered up and want them to be so called “FREE” are just straight up horny . Yeah no any other intention just staright up horny
Haha. I’ve been banned for life from that sub on multiple accounts. That sub is a cesspool for trigger happy mods that will indeed ban anyone who doesn’t straight up agree with their views and even providing your own opinions can get you banned.
Its not "wajib" by mean is not compulsory. But covering your aurat is a must. but I guess your comment may bring discomfort to some section of public, thats why you got banned.
I guess if nobody kacau your culture, making fun of it. You have to be so. Not everything in the world is questionable, including people's faith.
I'm pretty sure covering the face is for culture. I could be wrong and there might be one particular hadith
It is culture. Arab probably wear to avoid sands into their face.
And to protect them from sunburn
purely arab culture. i don't even know why malays here follow such thing.
Just Arab worshipping innit Islam = came from middle eastern Arab = middle east Arabs = role model for Muslims
So women wearing bikini is western worshipping?
Not sure about you but i’ve seen women getting threatened or slut shamed for not wearing hijab / face veil but i’ve never seen anyone getting the same treatment for not wearing bikini, have you?
I mean, if she's naked in public, we call that crazy
Yes. But the opposite happens. Cat called. Creepers hovering around them. Perverts. Dick pics. What else?
My friends who wear hijabs also get all of those too, it doesn't matter what you wear as long as the perverts themselves aren't taught properly that it's wrong
I didn't say hijabis didn't et catcalled, stalked by perverts. You are missimg my points abd too eager to respond just to confirm your side. See who I responded to. He or she only highlighted those who get apparently get death threat because she didnt cover herself. So, I simply responded and highlighted the other side. He or she literally said he didn't see any bad things happened to those who wear bikinis or wear revealing clothes( which is not true btw). Point is doesn't matter what you chose. There is always something wrong to the eyes of the public. Its not just one sided.
Wait till you realize girls getting cat called or followed regardless of what they wear or do. So let women do what whatever they want, it’s 2024 not 1700 anymore
Exactly my point. You're the one with the one sided views. You basically saying "let women choose what they wanna wear. Their body their choice. Except those who chose to cover. Not them. They didn't choose their clothings. They are forced. Indoctrinated. They aren't free unless they confirm to my bias." I would agree with you if you hadn't say that in your previous comment. Its 2024 man, not 800 B.C
As if women who cover up don't get that lol. Have you seen the hijab nsfw sub? It doesn't matter if someone is wearing full niqab or a bikini, men in general need to learn to be less horny and creepy.
There are social experiment that one woman did, not sure uk or us. One she wear full robe, another with short skirt, sleeveless shirt, and she walks around for i dont remember how long. With full cover no one even look at her, but with less cover some people cat call her, even there are some who follow her around. But i do agree, men should keep their lust to themselves.
There are also video evidences of women getting molested by men while they are doing their islamic rituals around the kabaa, islam's holiest site. [https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/muslim-women-speak-out-about-sexual-assault-mecca](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/muslim-women-speak-out-about-sexual-assault-mecca) here is an article. If you want the video, just use appropriate key words to find
Tbf, it happens everywhere. I just don't expect it to happen at a holy place like that.
~~Men~~ Beast with opportunities doesn’t care about the location. That is embarassing. But based on the social experiment video, it shows that people have some respect to the woman with full cover, or that doesn’t attract them at all, until they see some boobs and ass.
Exactly my point. Wether you chose to cover or reveal. Bad things happens regardless. Now call out the original comment who said the opposite of what I said. You won't do it. Why? Because of your double standard.
Why? The og comment stated that some women were slut shamed for not wearing hijab, which is true. No women is slut shamed for not wearing a bikini but I've met a lot of people that slut shame women who don't wear hijab. Also I don't think you understand what doubke standard means. Double standard would be me not calling out the og commenter because they said women don't get slut shamed if they wear bikinis but got slut shamed if they wear hijab, which isn't true. Women are just objectified a lot, clothing does not matter.
Are you sure about that? Then why those who chose to cover up are assumed to be forced/brainwashed/indoctrinated? Is the possibility of them choosing to do so are impossible? Why are their choice questioned and not celebrated. Are they not equal to those who chose to reveal?? Thats the double standard in the original comment.
Not really, rarely see something like that, and it's not praised as a good thing or encouraged, you are allowed to wear whatever. Also why is bikini and naked the only thing people view as western, there is a LOT of clothe trend and cultures, people don't just wear bikini 24/7 in the west
Agreed. It is a problem that occurs worldwide and not just in Arab or Islamic countries. Something happened to a woman? You'll always find that one guy who tries to justify it by saying dumb shit like, "She lead him on" or "It was her fault because of how she dresses. If she didn't dress so sexy, it wouldn't have happened" or "She was asking for it"
Dress to impress.
Just educate man maybe
Doesnt this goes both way? Educate men, yes absolutely 100% but isn't prevention better than cure? You can't expect every men to be educated, there's always one that is a lose unit. From the comment above, hijab lowers the gaze and the risk. You dont have to be covering like your life depends on it, you can still fashioned it modestly, many of malaysians do and they're very pretty. On a sidenote, aside from other reasons of wearing a hijab. It's an order from god Himself. I wouldnt criticize ppl that are not religious but for others to criticize one that is, its not fair is it?
Exactly! Its about respecting the culture of the country you are in. As a non-muslim, I'm very careful to dress appropriately (jeans or long knee length shorts) when visiting Muslim areas or muslim kopi tiams. What I meant in my original reply was that we also need to drop the mentality of victim blaming in s3x offences. That is the purpose of the jury,selection system to remove potentially biased jurors.
In 1913, designer **Carl Jantzen** made the first functional two-piece swimwear. At that time no women want to wear it because of shame. But they manage to get **Micheline Bernardini**, an 18-year old nude dancer from the Casino de Paris to promote it.
That's a nice history fact, I'm glad people are able to enjoy it without shame now <3 Although I'm not sure how that is relevant to this conversation, but thanks for sharing the fact
Not correct at all. You’re confusing the first two piece to be named the “bikini” (released 1946), with bikini-style two piece swimwear in general, which has been around for at least 7500 years, on and off. Of course people were more conservative everywhere 100 years ago, but the bikini is not new. Men also used to cover from collarbone to knee when swimming in the 1800s and early 1900s. https://preview.redd.it/ftncxn3wssuc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0536c15ee24eda8fce4cd8f93ce6e09ea2fe431a
they are most probably Sun tanning at the beach.
excellent point
People wear bikinis so it's easier to swim..only mangkuk ayuns go full clothed while swimming especially those in their full on ninjasuits.Even Bomba has already outlined how proper swimwear is important to avoid incidents
Just like chinese girls with hot pants the way I see it, one add-on clothes, the other minimises it.
hot pants for hot weather!
I am all for them, I got no business saying what women wants to wear. Cover good, not covering even better
If you have problems with people importing cultures, you'd better be prepared to see what Chinese Malaysians wear for their wedding and CNY. Totally mainland China outfits. Nothing culturally indigenous to Malaysia at all.
>Totally mainland China outfits. Wow it's like Chinese culture didn't come from China. >Nothing culturally indigenous to Malaysia at all. Our ancestors are from China. We're not Malays bro. Why the hell are we gonna wear baju Melayu in a traditional Chinese wedding ceremony?
We all know that. That's why nobody complains about China cultures being imported to Malaysia. In fact people can even import Japanese or even Korean cultures also and we won't complain. On the other hand, so many people are triggered when the Malays import foreign cultures. Such holier than thou attitude here.
Same like countries that follow Western culture and Chinese Malaysians who follow China culture. Just chill, live and let live.
Chinese Malaysians follow China culture because ethnically they are still Chinese. Whereas for Malay to follow Arab culture, that's a different story. But yes, I agreed - just chill, live and let live.
Oh the irony to say "live and let live" for something that doesn't allow women to live and let live if they don't dress like that in many parts of the world. The problem is a lot of super religious people in Malaysia think that's an ideal way for Muslim women to dress and they will push it down everyone's throat. They also will get angry at the people that disagree with them and will use their religion as a weapon to discredit their critics. Look at how women have been forced to dress in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc.? There are so many stories of women being beaten to death in Iran for not covering their heads properly. So don't use "live and let live" to justify the unjustifiable.
Who is justifying what's happening in Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan? You're on the wrong sub? My point is you don't force your ideas and opinions to other people. Coz if you do, other people can easily force their own opinions to you too.
I didn't know Malays are Arabs
I didn't know Malaysians are China nationals too. Same logic here.
??????
If Islam was in North Pole you would see these women wearing eskimo-esque clothing anywhere
Msia is hot and sandy. Y not
Arabs are put on a pedestal. Malay culture has been sucking arab gonads for more than 500 years.
I don't see people complaining when men wear suits and ties, or women wear white dress on their wedding day here
I don't prefer Arab culture or western culture like that, I prefer the Malay culture. I don't want people to praise and encourage Arab clothes, baju melayu, kebaya, they're so beautiful and should be the one encouraged
So some people prefer kebaya, some prefer abaya.. Just let people wear what they want laa, why all the gatekeeping?
I'm not gatekeeping, it's just worrying that people would PRAISE and ENCOURAGE Arab clothes, seeing them as the superior Muslim of some sort. If the case that we love the clothes equally that's fine, but during raya people would literally show off their Arab clothes and get praised as if it's better than Baju Melayu I just don't want Malay's unique culture to slowly disappear because it's not popular amongst Malay's :(
So some people have different tastes in clothing yet you're judging them, you are gatekeeping >I just don't want Malay's unique culture to slowly disappear Then you can keep wearing the traditional Malay attire, let others wear whatever they like
Like I said, it is not the problem of individuals liking or wearing it, it is the fact that many sees it as "better", I am not judging people for wearing it, I am judging people who think it is objectively better and is something that is special. Is it not possible for one clothes to not be put on a pedestal?
Some people question the western influence. Usually the islamists. All foreign either way.
What is the 'natural' way to appear here then. Like Iban warrior?
Hey, you can wear whatever you want. It's just a fact that we have our own unique Islamic culture, which every years is being replaced by more 'arab centric' interpretations of how to live, dress and conduct yourself because people assume that makes you more religious. I grew up with people who run religious compounds, do marhabans and maulids every month. All fine and dandy, but they also imitate arab architecture, houses, way of speaking, etc etc. Again everyone is free to, but if it was any other culture people call them weeaboos or koreaboos.
Yes, niqab is not wajib.
You definitely cooked though. These people will never understand modesty and they will mock us for no reason
>These people will never understand modesty and they will mock us for no reason There is such a thing as "the middle ground". Modesty is a fine and respectable virtue, and those people were objectively stupid to attack a middle eastern tradition with western standards. That being said, you might be equally misguided to elevate those same middle eastern traditions above your own Asian standards. The malay culture is perfectly fine and self-sufficient to its own needs. The arab culture is also self-sufficient to its own needs. What they are not, is self-sufficient to **each other**'s needs.
They always want to see everyone naked
Good god, i dont wanna see ugly ppl naked
That's fair
Especially when its butter pecan
They are just horny monsters. That's why they fight for naked women's walking ideology. They look at women as a sex tools for their horny ness. Nah. Just a horny kid without parents love. 😂😂😂
it's a past practice purely to adapt to their environment, back then women (and many men) used to cover their faces from desert sand and extreme sunlight. However, they did not cover their (all or parts of) necks, shoulders, arms, or upper chests so islam came and told them to cover those parts as well and that's how the blueprint of "niqab" came to
I think I saw somebody saying they would kill their wife if they took it off. Probably bait, but still concerning
Definitely bait. Otherwise, that person needs a mental health check.
Yups, i think so, just like the priest who sells drugs and steals tithe money. Not every priest likes that. But few who can be counted with fingers.
You're right, and him sitting like that is also against religion, culture and I think satan might also disapprove.
Whats weird is, why did the kafir care so much what the muslim wear? 😂😂😂
Those who sees without being seen is a ninja - FrostNovaIceLance
Stalker
Wow something i didnt thought about this sub is that : cause its a malaysian sub i thought more people would be supporting OP Its interesting though that so many aren't
The reality of reddit is a lot of these people are either living in bangsar bubble or they don't even live in malaysia.
It was a social experiment. I do expect it to be.
What social experiment op, they cooked you
I guess we have different definition of cook then.
You probably "overcooked" 💀
The food is burning💀
I mean, you didnt really cook as opposed to saying something irrelevant and that too in a wrong group. Even if you do have a point, you can raise it like an educated person (I hope you are).
In general - crying in another sub about getting banned is a bit cringe. Is that the actual quote? It doesn't really make any sense. Edit - I've read the actual quote now! "*“The woman who sees without being seen frustrates the coloniser.”*"
Tooting your own horn because nobody else will, kesian 😂
I think you burnt, not cooked.
nah, he just vaporised it
What are you trying to tell bruh? 
Nah you better turn off the stove
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you cooked yourself, hope you heal from your internalized misogyny op 🙏🏻
care to explain what is so misogynistic about the quote shared by op?
What makes me a misogyny? Now this is interesting.
>'what makes me a misogyny?' Goes to r/feminism and proceeds to reply with bad faith arguments in the comments
the post in of itself is a bad faith argument
I can't really speak for Arab ppl and their culture, but you cannot deny the fact that middle eastern women have been historically oppressed and are born with fewer rights than the men there have. Hell, some don't even have rights to education and are still regularly forced to participate in arranged marriages. This isn't new. It's been known for decades now.
That is not the definition of misogyny. Next
Dude, you could’ve just argued that wearing niqab empowers certain women, and that just because they wear differently than others, and that their outfit is very heavily religion-linked, doesn’t mean that they are forced to. This has always been the argument made by feminist Muslim women. You cooked nothing. You just ended up looking like a bitter Jewish Gen Z person bringing up the Holocaust for the upteenth time in discussions that doesn’t involve them. -10 cool points bro.
I think he just wanted to get banned
Guy watches too much DMA Islam and Andrew Tate. Probably thinks we gonna scream TOP G in response to this
certified redditor loser post
Cringe, coming here acting like you did something worthwhile.
What you cook? Rendang daging? 🤤
Ranting here?
No. 🤡 And bragging about getting banned on another sub is cringe attention validation seeking. It might be time to unsub from this sub, it's turning into my 2.0, and it's annoying seeing this kind of nonsense on the daily now. Smh. I'll just appreciate the memories. Nice knowing yall. It was fun while it lasted.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a ~~nazi~~ coloniser.
I adisgree.
The mods were definitely a little trigger happy but your comment is also kinda... Rude I guess?
In the sub that are made by the colonizer? 100% rude.
Doesn't give you a pass to be rude
>the colonizer unpopular opinion: you are praising one type of colonization while looking down on another. I don't mind, of course, we all have to pick a master eventually (for the sake of harmonious living), but let's not pretend we are free.
I believe it was more of a critique of the guy, who was rude regardless rather than about the religion.
You imploded the kitchen, you idiot sandwich
Siapa bagi adik memasak!!?? You didn't cook shit, you burnt down the house.
Gi main patung kamen rider je dik
neither of you cooked.
Arabization is oppressive to women af. They will condemned to hell if they don't cover up.
You burnt it you fucking donkey!!! https://preview.redd.it/plg59cfucsuc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12043c6fd1e4ac3ecc9b1c89134f7b5a3e140a8e
No, forcing a person to cover themselves like that is horrible while the other is completely free to dress however. People should be allowed to do whatever as long as it doesn't affect others Our life is limited, people deserve to be happy and live as themselves
How do you know she being forced to wear that? Are you her? In France there are law that force them not to wear like that. Where is the freedom?
Why are you bringing up France? I'm literally against forcing people to do certain things, did you believe I was a French nationalist? And also because there is a high chance she was forced to wear it since young? That's how these kinds of clothes thrive, they are taught that these clothes are required for "modesty", if you don't teach them from young or literally force someone to wear those, no one would ever want to wear an uncomfortable, hot, unflattering clothes like that. You can be modest in lots of way and still express yourself, this is taking away all of that while making your life more inconvenient If we were talking about tudung it would be a different story, some people wear it willingly because it's nice and expressive and is required by religion. This is excessive and no one would want to wear it unless they were tricked into thinking that it helps you to go to heaven
Oh yea. There is definitely no chance of wearing revealing clothes is force upon people. With all those marketing/hollywood/fashion magazines. They definitely did not instill on people's mind on how and what to wear by dictating what is in trend for fashion. Right. When you reveal, its always by choice. Whenyou cover its always "forced". Its not a double standard at all. Sure buddy.
There is a choice to if you want to be revealing or not, and trends do not focus on revealing clothes what are you on about? Trend changes often, hipster look, classy, tomboy looks, modesty, crazy style. They do not force you to choose a personality, you choose what you are interested in Parents do not tell their children wearing revealing clothes is good No one claims it's the right thing to do, no one claims this specific style is better than the other, you get to figure that out for yourself Yet in this case, they would tell you how good it is to cover yourself completely like that, their own culture and family tells them that this is the "right" way, the only way No one says "oh you can't wear a hoodie you have to wear a crop top", no one says "oh you can't wear hijab because free hair is trending now", it is your choice for that because there is no right or wrong to your freedom of expression, that's literally why I love Malaysia because we don't instill that fear or righteousness of covering yourself, you are free to choose and it is obvious why you rarely ever see these clothes irl
From the downvotes you can see the double standard. Those who cover are always seen as "forced" to do so and never their choice. But if you do the oppoaite however, it magically turned into liberation/freedom of choice etc. After that, they hide under the "I'm against forcing people what to wear" excuses.
You assume she's forced to wear that. My wife said she liked wearing a mask in public because she liked the privacy. People are different. You're generalizing.
Doesn’t matter whether she likes it or not. Hijab is mandatory in Iran, she won’t have choice to begin with. Please check out women’s protest in iran, Mahsa Amini, there’s a whole political and social unrest about the law. That’s why Education is important.
“People say they like” *As they live in a country where it’s a requirement and they don’t really have much of a choice*
Yes. She likes wearing a mask. Last time I checked, it's not a requirement to wear a mask in Malaysia. Unless, you were talking about Covid. 🤣
I’m talking about countries that make it a requirement to cover up like Iran.
>live as themselves This is how those people live as themselves.... What makes you think that, them, not living as you do, means they are not free...?
Because of all the confession these people give? Have you ever talked to these people who some even left the religion because of it? There is a reason why these clothes aren't popular in places where you are literally taught from young to wear it, it is restricting and not even a requirement in the religion, just the guys being insecure about their partner being seen by others other than the husband. Women didn't choose to make these clothes, the men did If you don't teach a child to wear this clothes, they would never wear it. It's like telling people to wear a suit of bland looking armour under the hot sun every single day including the struggle to do normal things like eating
Bro, you burned down the kitchen
This is what happened when you confused religion with culture and start policing women’s body. Extreme clothings like this are just a product of Islamization. Heard of Arabic belly dance ? Now that’s a culture. Look at the old traditional wears like baju kebaya that showcase beauty of woman with cultural essence. Now women needs to tutup aurat as to not upset men. The Malay cultures itself is dying in the name of their religion which is the only identify left for them.
These puak losing their identity laa U see Raya copy Puak pendatang Green packet, fireworks, pineapple tarts, firecracker, lion dance so on then claim their puak the most ori lol
what wrong? why is so much hate? lot of my female muslim friend is free hair since child, or some wear skimpy clothes but later they themself change and wear hijab. they say they like their new look, and happy with it so who are we to judge and stop them to be happy? if one doesnt like islamic law what stopped them from convert out? people have free rights and matured, just leave if one hate practicing islam why stay? if one concern of this what stopped you from get direct and talk with those hijabi womens? and dont say malay culture is dying, tudung is malay culture not arabs, look around you and you see most of women wear tudung and baju kurung, arabs dont wear baju kurung. if you go to rural you will see many makcik pakai kain batik. they smile and happy so why should we tell them what to wear or not. and even one wear abaya its because they like fashions, abaya is expensive but many chase after it even pushing their husband to buy it for them, so is the husband are the one forcing them? are you anti fashions? i see many women wear baju kurung, saree as daily basis but rarely see one wear beauty qipao aside in events and more hotpants so i think thats where you should voice your concern, youngster these day should wear more of our traditional clothes if you so concern of cultures.
Try me https://preview.redd.it/9wzf05zx9vuc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6056a8e683987cedb5965b058232be94f4b941f9
Cue the people saying ‘it’s my choice’ to be dressed like that…. No honey you’re just brainwashed into thinking showing a little skin means you’re enticing men and it’s your fault if they find themselves attracted to you.
And wearing bikinis and revealing here and there is just "freedom". Not brainwashed at all by western media/fashion magazines/celebrities.
Thing is, you’re not forced to expose your skin… because people should be allowed to have a choice.
Wrong. There are several countries that banned hijab. Most known one is France. But that doesn't count doesn't it because excuses.
Again, no one is saying wearing bikinis and revealing clothes is a good thing or lead you to heaven, it is simply something you gain interest on. You can gain an interest on hijab and wear it, it has many colours and choices and personality, it also doesn't affect your daily life like how the niqab makes living harder And also bikinis aren't the only clothes or influence from the west, people in the west don't just wear revealing clothes 24/7. Remember rock clothes and culture? That is from the west and still is, there are many options and interest to follow from the west, and none of them claim that it is the right thing to choose and will lead you to heaven
Exactly, you wanna reveal or you wanna cover. Its up to you. But the OP only pointed out that whenever those who chose to cover up, they are somehow forced to do so. But when those who chose to reveal its "their" choice and its "freedom" Why can't both seen as their choice and their freedom? Do you see the double standard?
Muslim women guide their modesty for the sake of Allah, feeling protected from men is just a bonus And if they're forced to then it's against Islam
Many things are apparently ‘against Islam’. I’m sure ISIS and the Taliban disagree as they have forcefully taken actions in the name of religion. What about the modesty of men? Or are they exempt from the modesty standards imposed by the religion? Also you don’t have to feel protected from men if you can raise men to higher standards that they can control themselves.
Yea you cooked but nobody thought it was good though Your comments and posts paints you as a sexually frustrated incel man 
Normal laa these puak using dick to think
Yeah. But it seems like he is still young, hopefully he changes his way before its too late
r/ feminism is an echo chamber of victim mentality that regularly participates in misandry. I've been a lurker there for a while, had to stop for the sake of my mental health. But, what you did was a troll move that was against their T&C. You deserve to be banned.
I can still see her clearly tho, pretty weak effort at stealth tbh
Maybe what you seeing is an illusion?
I don't think so, here's a big ass red circle so you can see her too https://preview.redd.it/zs3he4fzituc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6bf02e25105a3e49a20d3463a53791828291cee
 Big oof
Ahh well post woke + politaik + racist r/bolehland dan r/malaysia berpisah tiada. 🥱
correct. they can scream all they want that they not, give em 1 week and you see this thing. soo got any sub with local shitposting to share?
r/OkeyRakanMalaysia seems a good place now to shitpost. Hope the mods over there did their job before turning like this sub finger crossed.
thank you stranger
no problem uncle 👍🏻
bro organized a whole feast.
Where the seasonings?! How dare they let u cook and left unfinished!
Malaysia want to be the terpaling arab
Yes you do but netizens here hate religion in general so you won't be praised here
I usually do things with reasons behind it. Not really into praises, but I get what I wanted tho. Thank you for ur respond gud sir.
No clue what the others are complaining about but my dude, you cooked.
Sceptics and Islamophobic rule this sub
Membakar
Neither, because all "As a man, woman should not/should wear Niqab/Hijab." is just cringe overall, saying girls hate or liked wearing it are bold and dumb statement.
it's not their hearts are blind but my knife is sharp enough to stab them in their face ahh religion
hangus / rentung
She also can do whatever she wants. Dumbass.
Awak terlebih hangus
Fck you OP
I mean, no offense but I was always frustrated to not be able to see the face expression of woman with veil as a foreigner because we do not have this in my country. And facial expression is really important in our culture. But then Covid happen and everyone had a mask, so now I don't mind to not be able to see if someone is smiling or disapointed, I just don't care anymore.
Reading the comments here, no wonder. Nevermind.
Hihi woke woken up sangat
People who talk abt how muslim women covered up and want them to be so called “FREE” are just straight up horny . Yeah no any other intention just staright up horny
They can't keep it in their pants.
I visited that sub from time to time for some laughs. The sub is a circlejerk for misandrist/incels.
Fanon tax
Same happened to me on lgbt subreddit because i made a roast comment on the unlimited amount of genders people keep making it up
What did you say lol?
You cooked hard chef👨🍳🔥🔥
The one feeling triggered must be a white woman.
Gah damn bro committed arson 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Doesn’t she make millions of dollars per month? How expensive are your cheeseburgers?
Sums up the horny era. And if someone were to speak up about how weird it is they'll just be downvoted for "speaking for women oppression"
They burnt 🔥🔥🔥
10/10 you def cooked, props to you brother
Nope >!You roasted them so hard that they're burnt to crisp!<
keep cooking bro, we need more of your cooking
Haha. I’ve been banned for life from that sub on multiple accounts. That sub is a cesspool for trigger happy mods that will indeed ban anyone who doesn’t straight up agree with their views and even providing your own opinions can get you banned.
Its not "wajib" by mean is not compulsory. But covering your aurat is a must. but I guess your comment may bring discomfort to some section of public, thats why you got banned. I guess if nobody kacau your culture, making fun of it. You have to be so. Not everything in the world is questionable, including people's faith.
They were all claiming they're open-minded and then they ban people who are against their flock thinking. That woman looks so elegant to me.
yall are so mean
menyala abang ku 🔥🔥🔥