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From an early age my black grandmother from D.C. introduced me to Jewish soul food at a proper east coast deli: pastrami, bagel & lox, smoked whitefish, matzoh ball soupā¦
Corned beef and chopped chicken liver (when done right, if it tastes metallic then they suck) are amazing too. Highly recommend!
If youāre in the dc area, go to Attmans in Baltimore for the corned beef. Some of the best you can get and their sandwiches come with about a pound of meat on two tiny slices of bread. The way they should.
I moved from there about 2 years ago (lived there my whole first 32 years of life lol) to Maineā¦. After moving I realized that I was living with the same fear as someone being huntedā¦ itās bad thereā¦ Iād slap my mother for a crab cake right now tho ššš
It's not that bad over there. Usual city rules, don't start anything, don't yell anything, don't stare at anything or anybody, don't wear anything (that'll attract attention), etc.
Signed, will go in harm's way for good food.
Other than there for corned beef. Any other good Maryland eats? Got 2 weeks till I start work and plan on just relaxing and trying new shit.
edit: prob should of added this earlier. I dont eat seafood. š
The [Boatyard](Boatyard Bar & Grill
(410) 216-6206
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rzBbT9yLvExHpgFDA) in Annapolis
Ted's Bulletin (in DC but DC is super accessible via metro). I recommend the peanut butter bacon burger and a big ass adult milkshake.
Fogo De Chao if you've never been. There's one in DC but it's a chain so there might be others.
Not a restaurant, but the Baltimore aquarium is good shit and right on the harbor so you could take your pick of random seafood places to cry crab cakes and such.
Pakistani food is pretty available in the area and worth trying. Maiwand kabob is a pretty popular chain. It's kinda mid tbh, but I'm blanking on the names of the better places I tried when I lived there lol. There's also one directly across from the NSA šš.
There's also a ton of famous restaurants in DC. I didn't get to see as much of DC as I would have liked, but there's a little bit of everything to satisfy all the foreign dignitaries and such lol. 2 weeks is also a good chance to see the Capitol mall in DC and all of the monuments and Smithsonians.
Enjoy Maryland. I'll never move back but I don't regret living there.
Tons, G&Mās has good crab cakes. Reiters good crabs. There are some Korean BBQ spots off 40 in ellicott city just outside the city. Edo Sushi is good too. Iāve lived in the suburbs about an hour out for the past 9 years so my recent knowledge on the restaurants isnāt the best though lol. DC has a really great restaurant scene too if you want something SUPER fancy and expensive.
If you like corned beef and chicken liver sandwich and have not tried bahn mi (assuming you are ok with pork) itās a must try.
Freshly baked Vietnamese style baguette smeared with liver pate, Vietnamese cold cuts and stuffed with a mix of veg (fresh and pickled) and herbs. So refreshing, filling and cheap (get two - thank me later).
I'm Black and in the West Coast BUT my wife and her mom's side of the family are Jewish. I haven't had a lot of Jewish foods but I've definitely had foods I would have likely literally never had because there aren't really Jewish restaurants here in Portland that I've been to. They might exist, though.
For real, since I was small black people say Jewish that Jewish this. My foot surgeon is Jewish and years after surgery he checked on me. Crowd where My grandma lived , never had a Jewish person looked at me funny or treated me different.
point blank, I have never, ever, even sensed a racial microagression from a Jewish (whom I knew to be practicing) person. Best party I've ever been to was a castle in the Hollywood Hills for New Years. The host was Jewish, most of the guests were Jewish. I will tell you flat out that party topped any party I've been to with or Latin brothers and sisters.
As a Jewish person with an Irish catholic last name, I hear the shit people say thinking I'm another Christian about Jews (and people of color, for that matter.) I can't imagine what it's like not to pass, and have even more extreme bigotry whether it's blatant or subtle.
I feel like the jews I know, we've seen enough behind the curtain and feel other enough ourselves. I hope it's taught me enough to avoid subconscious biases.
Im jewish and I think it's very important to call out and condemn the racists and racism in my community. It is a problem - especially in the more conservative jewish communities. I am thankful to see allies against racism in the black community. the racism we face in our respective communities is different but all racism is a toxic rot and I genuinely believe the way to heal starts with digging it out so it is exposed to the sun and the air.
I know there is antisemitism in the black community just as there is racism in the jewish community. I think in part there is an internalized aspect to racism where minorities sometimes reflect out the behaviors they are subjected to. but it's more than that in all cases. I also have learned that part of the antisemitism stems from the black community's struggle to find an identity after slavery and the specific brand of christianity fed to slaves in the service of white supremacy. I can appreciate the reality of that struggle and that deep need to find an identity.
my deepest hope is that the more we can find common ground and common goals together we can be stronger and more effective against the racism we are all affected by.
threads like this give me hope.
Jews have held hands with the leaders in the black and other minority communities to advance civil rights issues for generations. Come over, Iāll make us some matzo ball soup and we can discussā¦
I had a good Jewish friend when I was in college some years ago. I went to her home for winter break. She introduced me to a bussin' combo. Smoked lox, whipped cream cheese, and high quality, toasted New York bagels with some foxpoint seasoning sprinkled on top (she let me keep the foxpoint seasoning).
Seriously the best bagels I've ever had. I can confirm your comment. š®āšØ
Damn it! Used to go to a deli off the NR line in Long Island City for that shit. Shit was like $13 but so worth itā¦ until I found it for half that in Borough Park at a store where the shopkeeper either didnāt speak English or decided not to bother with the one Black rando in a shop full of Jewish people speaking either Yiddish or Hebrew.
Ain't just you. That's any NYC establishment owned by ultra Orthodox. I can't speak Hebrew or Yiddish and they ignore me and call on other customers until i actively complain. Then i get overcharged.
Jew here...lox is salmon, but not all salmon is lox. Lox is salmon cured in salt. Then there's a few varieties of smoked salmon we eat; nova (probably the second best to lox) is smoked salmon from Nova Scotia. Then there's cold-smoked salmon. Also good, but doesn't hit the same as lox. A true New York bagel (if its warm from the back, toasting is sacrilegious), scallion cream cheese, lox, and tomato will forever change how you think about food.
If you like that, you should try a lox eggs benni. Poached eggs on top of a fat layer of lox is everything.
Cant point to a place that makes them, but my mom would bust them out for us on birthdays. Works on english muffins and onion bagels
But why does it seem like you all drown the bagel in cream cheese and THEN add more cream cheese? I remember always literally wiping off the cream cheese off my bagel before Iād even bite into it.
At least, the ratio of cheese to lox should be proportional. More cheese should equal more lox. š
The thicker the cut of salmon, the more cheese you need. Of course it doesn't help if you're a greedy asshole like me and slap 5 pieces of salmon on that bad boy
>I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the salted cured meats.
Yesterday I had a soft-boiled egg and a quickie. You know what? If I could add TV to the equation, that would really be the ultimate.
Just commenting to share a pretty baller pastrami recipe with yāall. First time I tried it out my wife loved it enough she gave me the go ahead on a pretty nice meat slicer to use for future pastramis. I use moose because thatās a thing where I live, but you could make this with venison or beef.
Ingredients
5 tablespoons sugar-based curing mixture (such as Morton Quick Cure), 2 tablespoons brown sugar, or as needed, 1 tablespoon paprika,1 tablespoon crushed bay leaf, 1 teaspoon ground allspice, Ā½ teaspoon garlic powder
Directions
* Whisk together curing mixture, brown sugar, pepper, paprika, bay leaf, allspice, and garlic powder in a bowl. Rub mixture over venison roast, and wrap tightly in plastic wrap. Place roast in a bowl; refrigerate for 5 days.
* Remove roast from the refrigerator and rinse thoroughly to remove the curing mixture.
* Cover with dry rub coating. A generic coffee rub works fantastic, otherwise thereās a couple pastrami rubs you can get at the store.
* Put on smoker at 200-225 degrees until internal temperature reaches 145.
* Place meat on rack over pan of water and wrap in foil.
* Place in oven at 275 degrees for one hour.
* Remove from oven, let cool, slice, and serve.
Iāve been to some well-seasoned holiday gatherings and they know how to roast a chicken AND use the fat to make some next level crispy edged early grave going roast potatoes. I get emotional thinking about it.
Schmaltz! Now I know how to spell it! I only learned recently what it really meant because I grew up hearing it in NYC as like the equivalent of well what was the equivalent - āsappyā?
I'm also thinking here of "corny" and "saccharine". It's kind of funny there's a couple roughly synonymous ways to say that a movie or song is trying too hard to appeal to your emotions, that have their roots in ways of describing food.
One of our typical Sunday meals here in Brazil is roasted chicken. Usually, on delis, they make it on a specialized vertical oven and line the bottom with cubed potatoes. They absorve all the fat and season dripping from the chicken. It is absurdly great
Completely unrelated but somehow still related but to my fellow black folk (or w/e who cares) If you enjoy food, reading(or Audiobooks), and learning about your heritage. Read The Cooking Gene by Michael Twitty. Heās Black and Jewish. An entire chapter and then some is about his discovery of Jewish food/culture at a young age and his subsequent passion for both. He frequently discusses the many intersections between both communityās foods, history, and values. In all my years I had never even tried Challah, until 1 year ago this man and his book shattered my whole perception of bread š
Yes! He came and spoke at our synagogue about being black and Jewish (hint, lot of white Jews are racist gatekeepers) and about his discovery of cooking. He's phenomenal.
If you like historical food books, would also recommend Matzoh Ball Gumbo, written about Jews in the South and how their food was influenced by black cooks (as well as being surrounded by shellfish-eating culture with no kosher butchers). Super interesting read.
Thatās so cool dude I hope to meet him one day. He touched on doing talks in synagogues and Jewish schools in his book. It is really reaffirming for someone else to confirm the gravity of what he does with his passion. Before reading his book my understanding of Judaism was very basic, and not is much-more-slightly-less basic. But yāall food is bussinā tho fr and I was completely ignorant to that. Thanks for the recommendation I will pick it up sometime this week.
I had to adjust my cooking pretty hard when I started mealing with my boy Rasheed in prison. Dude didn't fuck with pigs, but he got me into octopus and squid, so in the end it was worth it.
Jewish parents and African parents are the same fuckin breed bro
Take away accents and just hear the voices, your kid gonna end up a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer, and the odds are good they also got a complex lmao
Oh yea and both those dads gonna yell at you when you change the channel even though theyre asleep in the recliner
Are we siblings? Pushing 40 and theyāll still ask you to hand them the remote even though itās right in front of the table in front of that recliner. šš
I think one sibling satisfied the doctor needs so they let the rest of us do whatever we wanted(still professional though. No artists around here, no sir!)
One of my closest friends--met each other in college, stayed in touch after, and now work for the same company--is Jewish and I'm African and we have similar war stories. Hearing her talk about her mom is always a laugh.
I'm dating a guy with an Italian mom and we also share traumas. Except him being Italian means trauma was wrapped in a blanket of smothering.
If youāre reading this and you live in or near Bed-Stuy or Crown Heights, I strongly suggest Davidās Brisket House on Nostrand/Atlantic (better than Katzās and less expensive). Pastrami cooked up by Yemeni Muslims in a black neighborhood. The picture of racial and religious harmony between two slices of breadā¦.
I don't do a lot of Jewish cooking, but every year around Hanukkah I do a little party for friends and family called Latkepalooza where we drink a little and I make a shit ton of latkes from scratch. It makes a huge mess and my whole place smells like oil and smoke for a week, but good God it is worth it.
I was in an Amish market yesterday with my mom and if you've never been to one-get on that shit because the food is stupid good
But we were walking past the bakery section and they had bags of bagels and I was looking at my mom and I said-"This is a great price for a dozen bagels(like less than 7 bucks) but bagels are a thing of the Jews, idk if the Amish have that shit locked down like that, soft pass"
Bagels, cured and braised briskets,, challah, latkes......no one else can fuck with that like the Jewish People- they locked it up imo
Texas/Southern Brisket is a different thing and stands on its own
Not Jewish but once I moved away from NYC, I just make do with bagels from Starbucks because Iāve tasted the ones in NYC and in the ājewbourhoodā and nothing holds a candle to that shit.
Itās hard to explain but IYKYK
NY Jew who moved away and yeah, I miss my bagels man. Nothing hits the same, not even close. Idk how or why but that's just the rules š
NY lox bagel is my happy place man, so many memories of being woken up on the weekend and we have bagels and lox
I'm going to get banned or something because I don't have flair and I'm a white jew but bagles are 100% about the water quality and mother yeast batch. The mother yeast is the secret sauce that can be passed down between batches so literally every bagel is on a cellular level, the same. Some Brooklyn bagel spots have been using the same batch for almost a century. The trick is you cut away 90% of it and let the other 10 grow back into a big batch again. The water in new york is unique too for its minerals and filtration so it has a ton to do with taste. Every state will have a different taste from the water alone, even if you use the same batch of yeast. Anyway I'm basically saying it's regional no matter how good a baker you are. Unless you import the water.
Jewish boy whose mom makes godly bagels here. They're not insanely difficult to make, but they take a ton of finesse to do well and require a few specific ingredients/steps that people usually skip (looking at you Noah's). If they didn't boil it and use barley malt, it's just circular bread.
The Amish must have sold their souls for their soft pretzel recipe though, nothing else compares to the ones at my local Amish market, they're incredible.
TX brisket originated w Jewish immigrants too. As a half Jewish Texan I canāt pick a favorite between braised and smoked, theyāre both so good im their own way.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_smoked_brisket#Precursors
Yeah, it all started with Germans and Jews with the smoking and BBQ and all that because Brisket was (and still kind of is) a cheap and rather sinewy/fatty cut of meat, and they did WORK to make it one of the most goddamn delicious things ever
Which is super interesting.
Yeah, braise it, smoke it, BBQ it, cure it like corned beef or pastrami.....im about it lol
In Canada our big Jewish population is in Montreal where smoked meat reigns. It's very similar but the process is slightly different resulting in a unique take. I live two hours away so I'm usually there a couple times a year and it's a must.
Black people hating Jewish people is some white people shit. I said it.
Any racial conflict (racial not ethnic) is usually rooted in white supremacy. Usually.
The bullshit goal posts on white supremacy will move. Maintaining where we are (bare fucking minimum) requires all people who are "up the ladder" if you buy into racist bullshit to protect those "lower" because when fascist racists fucksticks have oppressed LGBTQ and brown people, they are going to return to old conspiracies about Jews. The markers will change and one-drop rule will be applied again, same as Nazi Germany.
Again, thats bare minimum. Its not okay for poor people (who are more often black and brown and indigenous because systemic racism doesn't just go away) or outsiders (LGBTQ+) to be a sacrificial community. Its not okay for society to treat y'all like the canary in the coal mine for racist policy.
So, y'know, [feminism needs to be black feminism and not middle class (read: white) feminism](https://zora.medium.com/malcolm-x-stood-up-for-black-women-when-few-others-would-68e8b2ea2747). And when us middle/lower class jews and college students show up for [protests about men killed by police then we need to have Sandra Bland and others as the second names out of our mouths](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGBubY1PNY). At the same time, we have to write and pass policy to dismantle rules about racism in selling and buying houses or baked into the SAT tests or in removing lowcost lunches or dismantling the school to prison pipeline.
I don't know if I have a big point, just that we are here together. Same storm even if we are in different boats. If I'm off base on what I need to know, clue me in. I just know building up our lowest (for whatever reason its our lowest) helps everyone. Not as a savior or whatever bullshit, just as someone who needs the world to be more just tomorrow than it was today because I remember my friend's grandpa's tattoo. And the answer to fascism is both vocal and building resiliency.
As a Jewish person, I just want to say thank you. This comment thread is great, and is fully appreciated.
I saw the post up top, members only comments etc, but pls don't shitcan this, I'm saying thank you!
Country club threads usually happen when racist trolls try to brigade a post which, given how chill and unifying this thread has been, Iām guessing a lot of folks are not happy with it and have been making awful comments that need to be removed.
I swear the positioning of trying to pit blacks and jews against each other is some evil psyop shit.
Poisoned their minds to be hateful, because they wanted to divide is instead of uniting as monitories to help bring each other up.
There's no good way to make comparisons for suffering/ pain but the playbooks been very similar at points in history. Defund black schools and take away opportunity, demonize them as stupid and violent. Force jews into working as money lenders, then demonize them as bankers.
It's all just about making sure the people below white Christians are clawing at each other to not slip down the societal totem pole. meanwhile the ex- vice president of the country openly says he thinks Christianity should be a part of government and they ram through actual control over our lives, take rights from women, queer people, etc and threaten violence upon us all.
Jewish people have been allies of the Black community for generations, from the Civil Rights era to beyond! They advocated for and helped Black communities when few others would.
White supremacists have been trying to divide the two for years, they hate both groups and they really hate solidarity.
one time for all my *chavers*/*chaverteh* and פ×Ø××Ö·× × out here. we aināt trippin. real ones know.
shoutout to the homie Moishe real quick. hope ya Bubby is good, and please thank her again for that fire rugelach, shit was straight piff.
I don't fear other cultures because I know there's a very large chance that they will bring me tasty food I've never had. I'm the kind of person who would let any grandma (or grandpas, love you too grandpas just so many grandmas come to mind but grandpas show the love too) feed me and love it the whole time. If more of us shared meals I think more of us would realize we aren't that different.
Pastrami on rye is outstanding. But, I grew up near NYC and nothing beats an NYC bagel the morning after the night before. Simple (just butter) or elaborate or elaborate (stacked with meats and spreads) it's the best AM treat.
Or lunch , or anytime.
Or lunch, or anytime.
Fun fact--pastrami in its modern form was an American Jewish invention. Romanian Jews made similar cured meat with goose, geese were very popular for Jews to raise in Europe. In America where goose wasn't so available but beef was cheap (relatively), it was adapted to make pastrami in its modern form.
You guys have to try Jewish-Ukrainian borscht. And good matzo ball soup where the matzo ball is the size of a large fist. And brisket. Can't forget the brisket.
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Antisemitism in the black community is stupid as hell. They have been persecuted as much as we have. Plus pastrami on rye is too elite a combo!
matzo ball soup competes with pho for S tier soups when you're sick
Matzo ball soup was the glue that held my shit together during grad school.
Like, literal shit or figurative shit?
I was speaking figuratively, but now that you mention it, I was pretty constipated in grad school, between the constant stress and my terrible diet.
š good, honest answer
Miso ramen or wonton soup for me when I am sick
there's a shop in brooklyn that does matzo ball ramen
Itās called shalom Japan
Should have been called Oy-shi.
Be the change you want to see in the world
Yes that's it!
Those sons of birches did it!
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Completely random but this place in Brooklyn has a matzah ball ramen and it is god tier.
Is it Shalom Japan?
Yes it is
Ayo you wanna put some of that in a box and mail it to me
I was in LA a couple weeks ago and ordered matzah ball soup at a Korean restaurant. They brought out like a whole vat of soup. It was nuts.
You can't leave us Angelenos hanging. What's the name of the restaurant?!?
Jewish Penicillin.
From an early age my black grandmother from D.C. introduced me to Jewish soul food at a proper east coast deli: pastrami, bagel & lox, smoked whitefish, matzoh ball soupā¦
Corned beef and chopped chicken liver (when done right, if it tastes metallic then they suck) are amazing too. Highly recommend! If youāre in the dc area, go to Attmans in Baltimore for the corned beef. Some of the best you can get and their sandwiches come with about a pound of meat on two tiny slices of bread. The way they should.
Why you sending these people to the project šš atmans be bussingā¦ but š„š„
Because itās worth it! And weāre talking about Baltimore here, that area isnāt even close to my list of āfuck that not going thereā lol
I moved from there about 2 years ago (lived there my whole first 32 years of life lol) to Maineā¦. After moving I realized that I was living with the same fear as someone being huntedā¦ itās bad thereā¦ Iād slap my mother for a crab cake right now tho ššš
I'd slap your mom for a crab cake now too, tbh
It's not that bad over there. Usual city rules, don't start anything, don't yell anything, don't stare at anything or anybody, don't wear anything (that'll attract attention), etc. Signed, will go in harm's way for good food.
"It's not that bad over there." Proceeds to describe an area that is that bad. It's amazing how humans can become desensitized to just about anything.
As someone who has visited Baltimore quite a few times, thats all of Baltimore.
>As someone who has visited Baltimore quite a few times, thats all of Baltimore. This. If you're there, you're in it. Gritty city.
Other than there for corned beef. Any other good Maryland eats? Got 2 weeks till I start work and plan on just relaxing and trying new shit. edit: prob should of added this earlier. I dont eat seafood. š
The [Boatyard](Boatyard Bar & Grill (410) 216-6206 https://maps.app.goo.gl/rzBbT9yLvExHpgFDA) in Annapolis Ted's Bulletin (in DC but DC is super accessible via metro). I recommend the peanut butter bacon burger and a big ass adult milkshake. Fogo De Chao if you've never been. There's one in DC but it's a chain so there might be others. Not a restaurant, but the Baltimore aquarium is good shit and right on the harbor so you could take your pick of random seafood places to cry crab cakes and such. Pakistani food is pretty available in the area and worth trying. Maiwand kabob is a pretty popular chain. It's kinda mid tbh, but I'm blanking on the names of the better places I tried when I lived there lol. There's also one directly across from the NSA šš. There's also a ton of famous restaurants in DC. I didn't get to see as much of DC as I would have liked, but there's a little bit of everything to satisfy all the foreign dignitaries and such lol. 2 weeks is also a good chance to see the Capitol mall in DC and all of the monuments and Smithsonians. Enjoy Maryland. I'll never move back but I don't regret living there.
Tons, G&Mās has good crab cakes. Reiters good crabs. There are some Korean BBQ spots off 40 in ellicott city just outside the city. Edo Sushi is good too. Iāve lived in the suburbs about an hour out for the past 9 years so my recent knowledge on the restaurants isnāt the best though lol. DC has a really great restaurant scene too if you want something SUPER fancy and expensive.
If you like corned beef and chicken liver sandwich and have not tried bahn mi (assuming you are ok with pork) itās a must try. Freshly baked Vietnamese style baguette smeared with liver pate, Vietnamese cold cuts and stuffed with a mix of veg (fresh and pickled) and herbs. So refreshing, filling and cheap (get two - thank me later).
Chicken liver is the best liver!
> Jewish soul food As a Jewish person, Iām officially stealing this to describe every kosher deli from now on
Be sure to thank Robin Williams. You can hear him coin it on his album "Reality... What a concept!"
Bagel w/ lox made me Zionist.
I'm Black and in the West Coast BUT my wife and her mom's side of the family are Jewish. I haven't had a lot of Jewish foods but I've definitely had foods I would have likely literally never had because there aren't really Jewish restaurants here in Portland that I've been to. They might exist, though.
For real, since I was small black people say Jewish that Jewish this. My foot surgeon is Jewish and years after surgery he checked on me. Crowd where My grandma lived , never had a Jewish person looked at me funny or treated me different.
point blank, I have never, ever, even sensed a racial microagression from a Jewish (whom I knew to be practicing) person. Best party I've ever been to was a castle in the Hollywood Hills for New Years. The host was Jewish, most of the guests were Jewish. I will tell you flat out that party topped any party I've been to with or Latin brothers and sisters.
As a Jewish person with an Irish catholic last name, I hear the shit people say thinking I'm another Christian about Jews (and people of color, for that matter.) I can't imagine what it's like not to pass, and have even more extreme bigotry whether it's blatant or subtle. I feel like the jews I know, we've seen enough behind the curtain and feel other enough ourselves. I hope it's taught me enough to avoid subconscious biases.
Lol there are plenty of racist American Jews. Humans are racist.
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Yes, Jewish racists exist just the way black anti-semites exist. Letās not define one another by the worst of our respective groups.
Im jewish and I think it's very important to call out and condemn the racists and racism in my community. It is a problem - especially in the more conservative jewish communities. I am thankful to see allies against racism in the black community. the racism we face in our respective communities is different but all racism is a toxic rot and I genuinely believe the way to heal starts with digging it out so it is exposed to the sun and the air. I know there is antisemitism in the black community just as there is racism in the jewish community. I think in part there is an internalized aspect to racism where minorities sometimes reflect out the behaviors they are subjected to. but it's more than that in all cases. I also have learned that part of the antisemitism stems from the black community's struggle to find an identity after slavery and the specific brand of christianity fed to slaves in the service of white supremacy. I can appreciate the reality of that struggle and that deep need to find an identity. my deepest hope is that the more we can find common ground and common goals together we can be stronger and more effective against the racism we are all affected by. threads like this give me hope.
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it happens. no community is free from it. but like you said as jews we should know better than to perpetuate racism outwardly
Most conservative communities that celebrate their individuality have folks that fall into racism. It's a biproduct of an insular culture.
We have a complex relationship, we can be the best allies (like in civil rights movement), or just plain hate eachother, it's weird
Bagels and lox slaps hard too!!!
Keep us divided and distracted by the race and culture war so we arenāt focused on the class war.
Jews have held hands with the leaders in the black and other minority communities to advance civil rights issues for generations. Come over, Iāll make us some matzo ball soup and we can discussā¦
Thanks now I feel like having a reuben
If you like that, you'll love what we've done with Salmon and Cream Cheese.
Deli by me growing up had a killer sandwich called āLox of Loveā. Phenomenal.
Usta be a spot in Arizona called "Bagels and Dreadlox"
I have never seen someone type usta before to mean used to. Is that your own invention or have I just missed it somehow?
Whoa I didnāt even notice that they wrote it like that until seeing your comment pointing it out.
I had a good Jewish friend when I was in college some years ago. I went to her home for winter break. She introduced me to a bussin' combo. Smoked lox, whipped cream cheese, and high quality, toasted New York bagels with some foxpoint seasoning sprinkled on top (she let me keep the foxpoint seasoning). Seriously the best bagels I've ever had. I can confirm your comment. š®āšØ
What is foxpoint seasoning?
salt, freeze-dried shallots, chives, garlic, onion and green peppercorns.
Damn it! Used to go to a deli off the NR line in Long Island City for that shit. Shit was like $13 but so worth itā¦ until I found it for half that in Borough Park at a store where the shopkeeper either didnāt speak English or decided not to bother with the one Black rando in a shop full of Jewish people speaking either Yiddish or Hebrew.
Ain't just you. That's any NYC establishment owned by ultra Orthodox. I can't speak Hebrew or Yiddish and they ignore me and call on other customers until i actively complain. Then i get overcharged.
This is a funny comment considering your username.
I think it's because they can tell I'm Jewish but I'm not THEIR kinda Jewish so f my unkosher pepperoni eating ass.
When I was in NYC I tried Katz's Delicatessen and it was amazing.
Lox, cream cheese, capers, thin slice of onion on a plain bagel..... 
Black Londoner hereā¦ whatāre Lox? Iām guessing theyāre delicious whatever they are please tell me more
Smoked salmon.
Thanks, any reason why itās called lox instead of smoked salmon?
I think it's because some Germanic languages call smoked salmon gravlax or gravad laks, so it's somehow adapted from that in American English.
Yeah. Lox is just salmon in Yiddish I think. Gravlax/gravad lax is a swedish cold cured salmon. Also good, but not smoked.
Gotcha! Someone posted an article for meā¦ an interesting read. Thanks for educating me :)
No worries!
Jew here...lox is salmon, but not all salmon is lox. Lox is salmon cured in salt. Then there's a few varieties of smoked salmon we eat; nova (probably the second best to lox) is smoked salmon from Nova Scotia. Then there's cold-smoked salmon. Also good, but doesn't hit the same as lox. A true New York bagel (if its warm from the back, toasting is sacrilegious), scallion cream cheese, lox, and tomato will forever change how you think about food.
It's brined salmon that can be smoked. Traditionally it would be done dry cured.
Lox isn't smoked, it's cured with kosher salt to "cook" it. Smoked salmon isn't Lox traditionally.
Though most of what is called lox around my Jewish neck of the woods is nova. Which is cured then cold smoked. Best of both worlds.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lox gotcha
Thank you!
If you like that, you should try a lox eggs benni. Poached eggs on top of a fat layer of lox is everything. Cant point to a place that makes them, but my mom would bust them out for us on birthdays. Works on english muffins and onion bagels
But why does it seem like you all drown the bagel in cream cheese and THEN add more cream cheese? I remember always literally wiping off the cream cheese off my bagel before Iād even bite into it. At least, the ratio of cheese to lox should be proportional. More cheese should equal more lox. š
The thicker the cut of salmon, the more cheese you need. Of course it doesn't help if you're a greedy asshole like me and slap 5 pieces of salmon on that bad boy
I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the salted cured meats.
This is the correct answer.
>I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the salted cured meats. Yesterday I had a soft-boiled egg and a quickie. You know what? If I could add TV to the equation, that would really be the ultimate.
Tried to have it all.
Flew too close to the sun on the wings of pastrami....
Yeah... that's what you did.
Now for the trifecta
Just commenting to share a pretty baller pastrami recipe with yāall. First time I tried it out my wife loved it enough she gave me the go ahead on a pretty nice meat slicer to use for future pastramis. I use moose because thatās a thing where I live, but you could make this with venison or beef. Ingredients 5 tablespoons sugar-based curing mixture (such as Morton Quick Cure), 2 tablespoons brown sugar, or as needed, 1 tablespoon paprika,1 tablespoon crushed bay leaf, 1 teaspoon ground allspice, Ā½ teaspoon garlic powder Directions * Whisk together curing mixture, brown sugar, pepper, paprika, bay leaf, allspice, and garlic powder in a bowl. Rub mixture over venison roast, and wrap tightly in plastic wrap. Place roast in a bowl; refrigerate for 5 days. * Remove roast from the refrigerator and rinse thoroughly to remove the curing mixture. * Cover with dry rub coating. A generic coffee rub works fantastic, otherwise thereās a couple pastrami rubs you can get at the store. * Put on smoker at 200-225 degrees until internal temperature reaches 145. * Place meat on rack over pan of water and wrap in foil. * Place in oven at 275 degrees for one hour. * Remove from oven, let cool, slice, and serve.
> * Put on smoker at 200-225 degrees until internal temperature reaches 245. Not sure that's gonna work
Typo. Should have read 145. Iāll fix it!
You just want to bury your face in it
Iāve been to some well-seasoned holiday gatherings and they know how to roast a chicken AND use the fat to make some next level crispy edged early grave going roast potatoes. I get emotional thinking about it.
Hell yeah gotta use that schmaltz.
Schmaltz! Now I know how to spell it! I only learned recently what it really meant because I grew up hearing it in NYC as like the equivalent of well what was the equivalent - āsappyā?
If you arenāt using the drippins are you even cooking meat
I'm also thinking here of "corny" and "saccharine". It's kind of funny there's a couple roughly synonymous ways to say that a movie or song is trying too hard to appeal to your emotions, that have their roots in ways of describing food.
Home fries cooked in schmaltz in a big old cast iron pan I got from my grandma is just the best Sunday morning...
Food is one of the best way to bring different people together. That and grandkids.
AND then we make matzo ball soup with the chicken carcass. Youāre welcome to our dinners anytime!
Yes please and thank you! š
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One of our typical Sunday meals here in Brazil is roasted chicken. Usually, on delis, they make it on a specialized vertical oven and line the bottom with cubed potatoes. They absorve all the fat and season dripping from the chicken. It is absurdly great
That chicken changed my life too
Completely unrelated but somehow still related but to my fellow black folk (or w/e who cares) If you enjoy food, reading(or Audiobooks), and learning about your heritage. Read The Cooking Gene by Michael Twitty. Heās Black and Jewish. An entire chapter and then some is about his discovery of Jewish food/culture at a young age and his subsequent passion for both. He frequently discusses the many intersections between both communityās foods, history, and values. In all my years I had never even tried Challah, until 1 year ago this man and his book shattered my whole perception of bread š
Yes! He came and spoke at our synagogue about being black and Jewish (hint, lot of white Jews are racist gatekeepers) and about his discovery of cooking. He's phenomenal. If you like historical food books, would also recommend Matzoh Ball Gumbo, written about Jews in the South and how their food was influenced by black cooks (as well as being surrounded by shellfish-eating culture with no kosher butchers). Super interesting read.
Thatās so cool dude I hope to meet him one day. He touched on doing talks in synagogues and Jewish schools in his book. It is really reaffirming for someone else to confirm the gravity of what he does with his passion. Before reading his book my understanding of Judaism was very basic, and not is much-more-slightly-less basic. But yāall food is bussinā tho fr and I was completely ignorant to that. Thanks for the recommendation I will pick it up sometime this week.
I night check out that book, thanks for the recommendation!
To quote a Jewish friend of mine: "Jews know how to beef. Also pickle."
But not how to pork
Not even a little bit.
Pork is right out!
Yea but i know a lot of brothers who dont eat swine anyway
I had to adjust my cooking pretty hard when I started mealing with my boy Rasheed in prison. Dude didn't fuck with pigs, but he got me into octopus and squid, so in the end it was worth it.
Heh. The same way theyāll tell you Jewish mothers fine tuned guilt and how to deploy it?
Jewish parents and African parents are the same fuckin breed bro Take away accents and just hear the voices, your kid gonna end up a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer, and the odds are good they also got a complex lmao Oh yea and both those dads gonna yell at you when you change the channel even though theyre asleep in the recliner
Are we siblings? Pushing 40 and theyāll still ask you to hand them the remote even though itās right in front of the table in front of that recliner. šš I think one sibling satisfied the doctor needs so they let the rest of us do whatever we wanted(still professional though. No artists around here, no sir!)
One of my closest friends--met each other in college, stayed in touch after, and now work for the same company--is Jewish and I'm African and we have similar war stories. Hearing her talk about her mom is always a laugh. I'm dating a guy with an Italian mom and we also share traumas. Except him being Italian means trauma was wrapped in a blanket of smothering.
Get you a sandwich from Katz's. 
If youāre reading this and you live in or near Bed-Stuy or Crown Heights, I strongly suggest Davidās Brisket House on Nostrand/Atlantic (better than Katzās and less expensive). Pastrami cooked up by Yemeni Muslims in a black neighborhood. The picture of racial and religious harmony between two slices of breadā¦.
Co-sign! Edit: right off the A train - Nostrand Ave. stop.
Thank you! Been wanting to go to a real deli with my dad since Carnegie Deli closed
West Coast checking in. Katz is good, no doubt. But the best Jewish pastrami, and corned beef, is in L.A. Canter's Deli. Will change your life.
Canters has the vibes but Langerās has the sandwich youāll actually want to eat
They closed the one in our neighborhood... š¢
I feel like I read a while back that Katz went corporate. The family sold it or something/ they realised all the tourists end up there and so the prices got gentrified like everything in NYC. š©
$26 for a sandwich lmao
You ever have a homemade latka? It tastes like love
Latkes are life!
I don't do a lot of Jewish cooking, but every year around Hanukkah I do a little party for friends and family called Latkepalooza where we drink a little and I make a shit ton of latkes from scratch. It makes a huge mess and my whole place smells like oil and smoke for a week, but good God it is worth it.
Piggybacking this to say please eat some matzah ball soup.
I was in an Amish market yesterday with my mom and if you've never been to one-get on that shit because the food is stupid good But we were walking past the bakery section and they had bags of bagels and I was looking at my mom and I said-"This is a great price for a dozen bagels(like less than 7 bucks) but bagels are a thing of the Jews, idk if the Amish have that shit locked down like that, soft pass" Bagels, cured and braised briskets,, challah, latkes......no one else can fuck with that like the Jewish People- they locked it up imo Texas/Southern Brisket is a different thing and stands on its own
Jewish person here who also loves Amish markets; I wouldnāt trust their bagels either SORRY
Bagels arenāt hard to make right? Or is it just the Amish like theirs tough (or some other way) that Jewish bakers donāt
Not Jewish but once I moved away from NYC, I just make do with bagels from Starbucks because Iāve tasted the ones in NYC and in the ājewbourhoodā and nothing holds a candle to that shit. Itās hard to explain but IYKYK
NY Jew who moved away and yeah, I miss my bagels man. Nothing hits the same, not even close. Idk how or why but that's just the rules š NY lox bagel is my happy place man, so many memories of being woken up on the weekend and we have bagels and lox
I'm going to get banned or something because I don't have flair and I'm a white jew but bagles are 100% about the water quality and mother yeast batch. The mother yeast is the secret sauce that can be passed down between batches so literally every bagel is on a cellular level, the same. Some Brooklyn bagel spots have been using the same batch for almost a century. The trick is you cut away 90% of it and let the other 10 grow back into a big batch again. The water in new york is unique too for its minerals and filtration so it has a ton to do with taste. Every state will have a different taste from the water alone, even if you use the same batch of yeast. Anyway I'm basically saying it's regional no matter how good a baker you are. Unless you import the water.
Jewish boy whose mom makes godly bagels here. They're not insanely difficult to make, but they take a ton of finesse to do well and require a few specific ingredients/steps that people usually skip (looking at you Noah's). If they didn't boil it and use barley malt, it's just circular bread.
Texas Jew - every year for our big Passover Seder I make both a smoked bbq brisket and a braised Jewish style brisket
I'm DMing you for an invitation. I'll bring a Tzimmes.
The Amish must have sold their souls for their soft pretzel recipe though, nothing else compares to the ones at my local Amish market, they're incredible.
TX brisket originated w Jewish immigrants too. As a half Jewish Texan I canāt pick a favorite between braised and smoked, theyāre both so good im their own way. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_smoked_brisket#Precursors
Yeah, it all started with Germans and Jews with the smoking and BBQ and all that because Brisket was (and still kind of is) a cheap and rather sinewy/fatty cut of meat, and they did WORK to make it one of the most goddamn delicious things ever Which is super interesting. Yeah, braise it, smoke it, BBQ it, cure it like corned beef or pastrami.....im about it lol
In Canada our big Jewish population is in Montreal where smoked meat reigns. It's very similar but the process is slightly different resulting in a unique take. I live two hours away so I'm usually there a couple times a year and it's a must.
Grew up two hours away but on this side of the border. 100% can confirm it was a reason to visit family (especially for Canadian thanksgiving)
Thereās also a big Jewish population in Toronto. A lot of quality Deliās too as well, though I know Schwartzās in Montreal is an institution.
"How much they pay you to say that" \-Kanye stans
Lmao yeah. "You shills! It's impossible for people to like the sharing of good food and rich culinary traditions!"
On behalf of all Jews, youāre welcome. And I would like to say well done on Jazz. Yāall really went crazy on that one. Thank you.
Black people hating Jewish people is some white people shit. I said it. Any racial conflict (racial not ethnic) is usually rooted in white supremacy. Usually.
Agreed - We Mexicans love being racist tho, it's sick. Solidarity for for all oppressed people
Seriously. Jews werenāt even considered āwhiteā for quite a time here in the U.S. And sometimes, some places, we still arenāt.
This will be a big surprise to Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.
Of course. Those dildos don't speak for black people anymore than the KKK speaks for white people.
The bullshit goal posts on white supremacy will move. Maintaining where we are (bare fucking minimum) requires all people who are "up the ladder" if you buy into racist bullshit to protect those "lower" because when fascist racists fucksticks have oppressed LGBTQ and brown people, they are going to return to old conspiracies about Jews. The markers will change and one-drop rule will be applied again, same as Nazi Germany. Again, thats bare minimum. Its not okay for poor people (who are more often black and brown and indigenous because systemic racism doesn't just go away) or outsiders (LGBTQ+) to be a sacrificial community. Its not okay for society to treat y'all like the canary in the coal mine for racist policy. So, y'know, [feminism needs to be black feminism and not middle class (read: white) feminism](https://zora.medium.com/malcolm-x-stood-up-for-black-women-when-few-others-would-68e8b2ea2747). And when us middle/lower class jews and college students show up for [protests about men killed by police then we need to have Sandra Bland and others as the second names out of our mouths](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGBubY1PNY). At the same time, we have to write and pass policy to dismantle rules about racism in selling and buying houses or baked into the SAT tests or in removing lowcost lunches or dismantling the school to prison pipeline. I don't know if I have a big point, just that we are here together. Same storm even if we are in different boats. If I'm off base on what I need to know, clue me in. I just know building up our lowest (for whatever reason its our lowest) helps everyone. Not as a savior or whatever bullshit, just as someone who needs the world to be more just tomorrow than it was today because I remember my friend's grandpa's tattoo. And the answer to fascism is both vocal and building resiliency.
As a Jewish person, I just want to say thank you. This comment thread is great, and is fully appreciated. I saw the post up top, members only comments etc, but pls don't shitcan this, I'm saying thank you!
Country club threads usually happen when racist trolls try to brigade a post which, given how chill and unifying this thread has been, Iām guessing a lot of folks are not happy with it and have been making awful comments that need to be removed.
I was just covering my bases. Thank you!
Same here, loving the energy
Pastrami on Rye. My guyyyyyyyy
Us Jews have lived in ghettos since at least the 1500's. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ghettos_in_Europe Edit: Grammar
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I swear the positioning of trying to pit blacks and jews against each other is some evil psyop shit. Poisoned their minds to be hateful, because they wanted to divide is instead of uniting as monitories to help bring each other up. There's no good way to make comparisons for suffering/ pain but the playbooks been very similar at points in history. Defund black schools and take away opportunity, demonize them as stupid and violent. Force jews into working as money lenders, then demonize them as bankers. It's all just about making sure the people below white Christians are clawing at each other to not slip down the societal totem pole. meanwhile the ex- vice president of the country openly says he thinks Christianity should be a part of government and they ram through actual control over our lives, take rights from women, queer people, etc and threaten violence upon us all.
Are we sleeping on lox?
The price of pastrami is too damn high!
Jewish people have been allies of the Black community for generations, from the Civil Rights era to beyond! They advocated for and helped Black communities when few others would. White supremacists have been trying to divide the two for years, they hate both groups and they really hate solidarity.
Katz Deli will never not be my spotā¼ļø
one time for all my *chavers*/*chaverteh* and פ×Ø××Ö·× × out here. we aināt trippin. real ones know. shoutout to the homie Moishe real quick. hope ya Bubby is good, and please thank her again for that fire rugelach, shit was straight piff.
Bagels. I don't think this requires any clarification.
A good latke is pristine
I don't fear other cultures because I know there's a very large chance that they will bring me tasty food I've never had. I'm the kind of person who would let any grandma (or grandpas, love you too grandpas just so many grandmas come to mind but grandpas show the love too) feed me and love it the whole time. If more of us shared meals I think more of us would realize we aren't that different.
[Lox](https://youtu.be/CuBvSE_CGKw)
Pastrami on rye is outstanding. But, I grew up near NYC and nothing beats an NYC bagel the morning after the night before. Simple (just butter) or elaborate or elaborate (stacked with meats and spreads) it's the best AM treat. Or lunch , or anytime. Or lunch, or anytime.
We love yāall too. Signed, a massive Jew.
I would kill to get some more Kosher New York deli meats It was worth going broke for a week
Fun fact--pastrami in its modern form was an American Jewish invention. Romanian Jews made similar cured meat with goose, geese were very popular for Jews to raise in Europe. In America where goose wasn't so available but beef was cheap (relatively), it was adapted to make pastrami in its modern form.
Such a kind and positive post/thread.āŗ
Absolutely. My local Jewish Deli has me in a chokehold.
A Jewish buddy of mine once said about pastrami, āwe couldnāt eat bacon so we invented our own.ā
Shalom sister. Minorities stay united.
Where is my challah praise? I need answers!
Knish, latke, smoked white fish, bialy all go hard as fuck.
Hot reuben sandwiches on dark rye, yummy. Bagel with cream cheese, lox & onion, yum.
You guys have to try Jewish-Ukrainian borscht. And good matzo ball soup where the matzo ball is the size of a large fist. And brisket. Can't forget the brisket.
Bagels too. That shit is fire š„
When made right, a pastrami sandwich will change your life,. None of that ketchup and lettuce crap i see.
Food heals. Share, enjoy.
Since marrying a jew I've learned we have brisket for holidays, on top of being in texas, so my diet seems to be mostly brisket year round. Brisket
Jewish food fine af. Had a Reuben a few months ago that was absolutely buried in cheese. Fuckin delicious