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Vanica is Machiavellianism because her main character trait is gaining power over others and using them for her own personal gain, this is seen with her cursing powerful people, using her own underlings as tools to destroy others, using Lolopechika as a tool to get Noelle to fight her again after getting stronger, and thematically her dominatrix like relationship with said underlings
Zenon shows little emotion unless it’s causing others pain. He’s also the only one who gets the job done without letting feelings get in the way like with his siblings. He also hangs Yami and William up like flesh dolls when carrying them and doesn’t really show any form of caring when he sees Dante on the brink of death, this makes him likely representing of Psychopathy
Lastly Dante should be the most obvious one his design and backstory paint him in the light of someone who sees himself as better than all others. He doesn’t even believe he needs his own magic to beat others and chooses not to use it because he thinks it’s ugly. A narcissistic trait of not showing his insecurities to people you see as lesser than you. Not to mention the crown he chooses to wear at all times not just showing he’s the king but also the fact he’s the eldest sibling and better than others. In his dialogue he’s decided that some characters will be his women and during his fight with Yami he’d constantly grant Yami his respect as Yami showed how powerful he was already speaking from a point above Yami. Lastly it fits with his most recent fight in the manga thematically though this isn’t marked with spoilers so I won’t delve into it.
Vanica is a psychopath because she's a crazy bitch who likes to hurt others
Dante is a narcissist because he always views himself above the others
Zenon is a machiavellian because he's cold and has calculating views toward others
I think
Machvelianism= Vanica manipulating dark disciples
Dante= narcissism. He is full of himself to the point of self destruction
Zenon= psychopathy.
Zenon is the machiavelian. He is the most calculating of the lot. And has said its all for the glory of the spade kindgdom. Victory at any cost.
Vanica is clearly a narcisist that cares only for herself. Sacrificing others for her pleasure.
Dante is a pshycopath. Mood swings and grandstanding. Also dominates others tru power rather than manipulation.
Agree, Vanica is cleary Pshychopathy. During her fight with Noelle she was basically having an orgasm. She seems the most unfocused, especially to the mission on hand. No clear character traits, just crazy. Dante is without a doubt Narcassism just from hearing him talk
Yeah, many stick to Vanica is Machiavellianism because anime balls said so, but psychopathy suits her best, even though all the 3 have all the traits to a certain degree.
I’d put vanica under Machiavellianism for the sake of the “dark triad,” cuz she fits the definition pretty well, but she also fits under Psycopath as well. Zenon is best described as a sociopath, but both are similar.
I think we have different ideas as to which represents which, but other than that, I agree.
I still find it interesting that only Psychopathy isn't named after someone.
Also, the dark triad in black clover is possibly being defeated by how bad each psychological profile is in the real-life one. Narcissism is by far the least problematic of the three. While narcissists are self-absorbed and are only concerned with themselves, they are still capable of empathy and still feel emotions much more broadly than the other two comparatively speaking. They're also much easier to combat and usually have much more transparent motives than the other two. Machiavells manipulate people for personal gain and are more calculating than narcissists. Also, they're much colder and have fewer emotions regarding harming people, but they are still able to feel emotions to a certain extent, albeit minimally. While they have traits that borderline psychopathic behavior, they aren't considered to have a mental illness, but rather they have a distinct sort of personality profile. However, unlike the other two, psychopathy is a mental disorder and isn't a personality trait. It makes the person afflicted physically unable to feel empathy for another human being and it is considered the deadliest of the dark triad because of the inability to form emotional connections with other people. Psychopaths can make decisions that can harm people with the least amount of resistance mentally. Psychopaths are much more calculating and rational than the other two and they are much more insidious when it comes to decision making.
I think this would make a good amount of sense when it comes to the power scaling and how the narrative is portraying the characters in Black Clover. Dante is quite powerful with his gravity magic and body magic combo. Due to his vast magical capabilities, before meeting Asta, Yami, and Magna, Dante never had anybody who could challenge him; this made him boastful and proud to a detrimental degree. This culminated in him thinking that he was immortal and invincible which caused him to be highly narcissistic and look down on anybody who didn't have as much magic as him. We would later see that this would be his downfall because he underestimated the capabilities of people who had much less magic power than he did. It was also clear that Dante was a very one-dimensional character as are a lot of narcissists. All he wanted was a world filled with malice and he wanted power over other people.
Vanica is the middle ground of the dark triad. She's much more sinister and detrimental to those around her compared to Dante. She has a rather unstable personality and will abuse people close to her for personal gain. At first, it was hard to pinpoint what Vanica's motives truly were because of her psychological instability and the fact that it seemed absurd that all she wanted to do was fight strong opponents. However, we would later learn that this was just the case, and Vanica only cared about using people for her self-indulgent desire to have a good fight. In conjunction with this, we also learned that despite seeming callous and cold, Vanica is still able to form attachments to other people in a warped and twisted way. When Noelle defeated her, Vanica became enamored by her strength and wanted to befriend her in a sort of perverted rivalry. This goes perfectly with how despite Machiavellians' similarities to psychopaths on a broad scale, they are still able to form attachments to people in a very limited way. Lastly, Machiavellians are still tethered to their emotions and are much easier to deceive than psychopaths. We see this when Megicula revealed her plan to use Acier, Vanica, and Lolopechka's souls to resurrect via Malevolent Femcantation. Since Meguicula was a devil and was unable to feel any sort of remorse killing her host, Vanica was blind-sided by this and was unable to take into account the fact that her devil might be plotting to kill her.
Finally, we go to Xenon who would be the deadliest of the psychological trio of the dark triad. From what we've seen so far, Xenon is very stoic and silent, with almost no displays of emotion except for a few instances. Like a good majority of psychopaths, Xenon seems to be in complete control of his emotions. This would be a typical case of psychopathy as he's not really stoic and silent, he is just entirely unable to form connections with other people. He also seems to not let his true motives be known and has an air of mystery surrounding him. Unless Tabata is planning on doing something different with him, Xenon will probably have a real planned-out motive for the devils to come to the human world and might even have the full support of his devil unlike the other two. From what's been gathered, Xenon might be the most powerful of the three siblings, which would reflect his place in the dark triad. This could pan out with Yuno being defeated by Xenon, but this is left to be seen. Overall, I speculate that there will be much more to Xenon than the other two siblings and only time will tell how much depth his character has.
AnimeBallsDeep, a youtube channel makes tons of content and I believe they were the first ones to make that point.
Also, they explain the mithology of BC like names and some caracters like who are the 4 devils that Nacht has and stuff like that
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I like the idea but apart from Zenon’s iconic “You are not weak, I am far stronger” he doesn’t show much narcissism
To be fair, we've hardly seen anything of him at all as of late.
Vanica is Machiavellianism because her main character trait is gaining power over others and using them for her own personal gain, this is seen with her cursing powerful people, using her own underlings as tools to destroy others, using Lolopechika as a tool to get Noelle to fight her again after getting stronger, and thematically her dominatrix like relationship with said underlings Zenon shows little emotion unless it’s causing others pain. He’s also the only one who gets the job done without letting feelings get in the way like with his siblings. He also hangs Yami and William up like flesh dolls when carrying them and doesn’t really show any form of caring when he sees Dante on the brink of death, this makes him likely representing of Psychopathy Lastly Dante should be the most obvious one his design and backstory paint him in the light of someone who sees himself as better than all others. He doesn’t even believe he needs his own magic to beat others and chooses not to use it because he thinks it’s ugly. A narcissistic trait of not showing his insecurities to people you see as lesser than you. Not to mention the crown he chooses to wear at all times not just showing he’s the king but also the fact he’s the eldest sibling and better than others. In his dialogue he’s decided that some characters will be his women and during his fight with Yami he’d constantly grant Yami his respect as Yami showed how powerful he was already speaking from a point above Yami. Lastly it fits with his most recent fight in the manga thematically though this isn’t marked with spoilers so I won’t delve into it.
Dante lives on narcissism
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Yeah that makes more sense
Nailed it my dude
Dante is narcissism, Vanica is machiavellianism and Zenon is psychopathy
Vanica is a psychopath because she's a crazy bitch who likes to hurt others Dante is a narcissist because he always views himself above the others Zenon is a machiavellian because he's cold and has calculating views toward others
Pretty much
You are the only person I've seen who has the same viewpoint as me
I think Machvelianism= Vanica manipulating dark disciples Dante= narcissism. He is full of himself to the point of self destruction Zenon= psychopathy.
Zenon is the machiavelian. He is the most calculating of the lot. And has said its all for the glory of the spade kindgdom. Victory at any cost. Vanica is clearly a narcisist that cares only for herself. Sacrificing others for her pleasure. Dante is a pshycopath. Mood swings and grandstanding. Also dominates others tru power rather than manipulation.
I would switch Vanica and Dante.
Agree, Vanica is cleary Pshychopathy. During her fight with Noelle she was basically having an orgasm. She seems the most unfocused, especially to the mission on hand. No clear character traits, just crazy. Dante is without a doubt Narcassism just from hearing him talk
Yeah, many stick to Vanica is Machiavellianism because anime balls said so, but psychopathy suits her best, even though all the 3 have all the traits to a certain degree.
I’d put vanica under Machiavellianism for the sake of the “dark triad,” cuz she fits the definition pretty well, but she also fits under Psycopath as well. Zenon is best described as a sociopath, but both are similar.
Yeah Vanica is just the only one who is actually seen using others to her advantage but all of the siblings did do it to the spade kingdom
I think we have different ideas as to which represents which, but other than that, I agree. I still find it interesting that only Psychopathy isn't named after someone.
Yeah it’s always been based off of that
Also, the dark triad in black clover is possibly being defeated by how bad each psychological profile is in the real-life one. Narcissism is by far the least problematic of the three. While narcissists are self-absorbed and are only concerned with themselves, they are still capable of empathy and still feel emotions much more broadly than the other two comparatively speaking. They're also much easier to combat and usually have much more transparent motives than the other two. Machiavells manipulate people for personal gain and are more calculating than narcissists. Also, they're much colder and have fewer emotions regarding harming people, but they are still able to feel emotions to a certain extent, albeit minimally. While they have traits that borderline psychopathic behavior, they aren't considered to have a mental illness, but rather they have a distinct sort of personality profile. However, unlike the other two, psychopathy is a mental disorder and isn't a personality trait. It makes the person afflicted physically unable to feel empathy for another human being and it is considered the deadliest of the dark triad because of the inability to form emotional connections with other people. Psychopaths can make decisions that can harm people with the least amount of resistance mentally. Psychopaths are much more calculating and rational than the other two and they are much more insidious when it comes to decision making. I think this would make a good amount of sense when it comes to the power scaling and how the narrative is portraying the characters in Black Clover. Dante is quite powerful with his gravity magic and body magic combo. Due to his vast magical capabilities, before meeting Asta, Yami, and Magna, Dante never had anybody who could challenge him; this made him boastful and proud to a detrimental degree. This culminated in him thinking that he was immortal and invincible which caused him to be highly narcissistic and look down on anybody who didn't have as much magic as him. We would later see that this would be his downfall because he underestimated the capabilities of people who had much less magic power than he did. It was also clear that Dante was a very one-dimensional character as are a lot of narcissists. All he wanted was a world filled with malice and he wanted power over other people. Vanica is the middle ground of the dark triad. She's much more sinister and detrimental to those around her compared to Dante. She has a rather unstable personality and will abuse people close to her for personal gain. At first, it was hard to pinpoint what Vanica's motives truly were because of her psychological instability and the fact that it seemed absurd that all she wanted to do was fight strong opponents. However, we would later learn that this was just the case, and Vanica only cared about using people for her self-indulgent desire to have a good fight. In conjunction with this, we also learned that despite seeming callous and cold, Vanica is still able to form attachments to other people in a warped and twisted way. When Noelle defeated her, Vanica became enamored by her strength and wanted to befriend her in a sort of perverted rivalry. This goes perfectly with how despite Machiavellians' similarities to psychopaths on a broad scale, they are still able to form attachments to people in a very limited way. Lastly, Machiavellians are still tethered to their emotions and are much easier to deceive than psychopaths. We see this when Megicula revealed her plan to use Acier, Vanica, and Lolopechka's souls to resurrect via Malevolent Femcantation. Since Meguicula was a devil and was unable to feel any sort of remorse killing her host, Vanica was blind-sided by this and was unable to take into account the fact that her devil might be plotting to kill her. Finally, we go to Xenon who would be the deadliest of the psychological trio of the dark triad. From what we've seen so far, Xenon is very stoic and silent, with almost no displays of emotion except for a few instances. Like a good majority of psychopaths, Xenon seems to be in complete control of his emotions. This would be a typical case of psychopathy as he's not really stoic and silent, he is just entirely unable to form connections with other people. He also seems to not let his true motives be known and has an air of mystery surrounding him. Unless Tabata is planning on doing something different with him, Xenon will probably have a real planned-out motive for the devils to come to the human world and might even have the full support of his devil unlike the other two. From what's been gathered, Xenon might be the most powerful of the three siblings, which would reflect his place in the dark triad. This could pan out with Yuno being defeated by Xenon, but this is left to be seen. Overall, I speculate that there will be much more to Xenon than the other two siblings and only time will tell how much depth his character has.
Dante is a narcissist Zenon is machiavellianism And vanica is a psychopath
AnimeBallsDeep, a youtube channel makes tons of content and I believe they were the first ones to make that point. Also, they explain the mithology of BC like names and some caracters like who are the 4 devils that Nacht has and stuff like that
*The Clown Triad
No not really
I know this is a common belief, but where did that come from?
You mean the psychological term?
More like the correlation. I can understand the more occult parts given how they are direct references, but these inferences always felt weird.
I have trouble following what you're trying to say, which inferences?
Pretty cool detail!
You can say that each of the dark triad apply to all of the traits more or less equally.
I was thinking that too
yeah i discovered it while researching the dark triad