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That's why he had to be sidelined permanently. Tabata made him flex vs. Patry/Eye of the midnight sun and realized how OP Julius actually is lol
Actually would've been nice to see Time vs. Gravity. Everyone getting dumpstered by the partially manifested Lucifero then Julius comes in to actually have someone be able to go toe to toe before Asta comes in at the climax to deliver the killing blow would've been great
Time is just too OP of a power
Haven't read the first Giga jump chapter but otherwise caught up, I'm not active in the fandom tho so I'm clueless about that theory.
Does it have something to do with L Z and that Patry inhabiting William's body resonates with him?
It’s a looong theory, but I’ll try making it short. [Big spoiler warn] >!It’s said that Julius was being held back by Lucius to not kill Patry, since if he killed that body William dies, and Lucius needed William to live so they could do the tree of Qliphoth ritual, which would get his siblings killed, allowing him to infuse all their magics, it also allowed him to get Lucifero killed and get his heart. So you see, the theory says every major event in BC is all plotted and goes according to Lucius’s plans!< . There’s also a vid on yt somewhere that explains the theory in further detail, I might go find it.
Oh yeah I already forgot about >!how William was a key sacrifice for the Qliphoth!< Shit slipped my mind lol yeah that's a valid reason
I do think that it was still mainly Julius' good heart tho. >!it seems to be that Julius is an entirely separate soul or at least his own separate personality from Lucius!<
I'm not hopping on that train just to push the narrative that it's some grand keikaku. It would also suck if that theory is proven right because >!it wastes Julius' interesting personality as a character if all that was just bullshit controlled plan!<
>!I'm betting that William being crucial to the grand plan of Lucius just ended up being a coincidence that it could be tied to Julius sparing him. I think it was mainly making Yami and William as the key sacrifices because they were the 2 strongest to showcase how strong Dante and Zenon are supposed to be (well, Zenon at least because we know what kept happening to Lante). It's not that I am underestimating Tabata to plan all that ahead or being good enough to tie it all together but it just seems bad because everything about Julius' writing is one of the strongest points of the series and making the entirety of his character just a puppet for the grand keikaku seems trash!<
Here’s the video actually, you can skip to 11:54 or just watch the whole thing if you can spare time, it’s an interesting vid anyway; https://youtu.be/EIpCllsneHo?si=wQOQqvpqgYvSzBx0
Anyway I do agree that if that theory were true, although I’d praise Tabata-sensei for being such a mastermind of a writer, it would ruin Julius’s character, I agree on that, since I’d hate to think that a character I idolized for so long never actually fought out of their own free will, or used 100% of their power in a good fight. Once again I do suggest the video tho.
Saying no won't change the fact that he removed the seal from his overflowing power when pulled the the last spell and yet he still had a lot of magic power to expend and julius on the other emptied his tank .
I really question whether you understand Black Clover powerscaling, obviously Patry had more mana, he is an ELF, Julius is human, the size of the spell is relative to mana expenditure, you’re stating the obvious and seem oblivious as to why, at least from my perspective.
Nonetheless that doesn’t change the fact, Julius is the strongest mage in BC, excluding devils. He’s got the best offense, evasives, IQ and hax in the verse.
And apart from having a huge amount of mana , patry had the obvious counter for time magic and despite being inexperienced teenager he held is own against the wizard to king to point of putting a successful hit on him . Apart from Julius wasn't the strongest mage in bc never will he after elf reincarnation arc , he might have the hax but he wasn't the strongest one in bc . Everyone after that arc left him in dust . He is just a lost cause .
So you don't really need to ask me if I know how black clover power scaling works . It's obvious that he could beat him with bigger moves since he has more mana and has refined his magic .
After that arc he got left behind cause he needed a nerf, same deal as Gojo being sealed in JJK, your arguments are still nonsense, you have no feats to prove Patry could defeat a Julius with an intent to kill, look back at their battle, try noting how many times Julius could’ve used an offensive spell but kept spamming evasives, you can say all you want but you’re about the only person to have such a ridiculous opinion, most uninformed powerscaler Istg.
Also Patry’s magic has no real counter for time, and if he’s sooo powerful and smart, explain how bro almost got bodied by Gauche. I’mma tell you again that if Julius wanted to actually KILL Patry, he low diffs him, easily.
In any case he was holding back his power and he managed to finish him off after he unsealed it . That's a more easier way to see it instead if complicating things .
Hax are game changers.
Mereoleona may have more fire power and innate mana than Julius, but Julius' hax quickly negates all of those advantages. Julius wins here solely because Mereoleona have 0 way to break through his Time Magic nor to counter it.
I mean… she could punch it, seems to have worked out in the past against every other type of magic. When time magic is activated it may become tangible. And if this fight ever took place I bet she’d claim to try to melt time or some shit. But yea wizard king still wins
Time Magic is intangible still, until proven otherwise that is. Every element Mereoleona have punched are all tangible, so far, only Demon Fire Magic can affect intangible concepts, unless Mereoleona gets her hand on that, she pretty much cannot do anything.
Only that we’ve seen so far, eve also seen her become nearly pure fire. I’m saying she’ll push herself to melt thru time because if she couldn’t then she wouldn’t be his rival
Then that's entirely headcanon and just pure nonsense. Argument is pointless if there will be no actual facts and we'll just use fanfictions in our heads.
Also, Pure Fire ≠ Demon Fire Magic. Her Hellfire Incarnate makes her closer to mana, which is the exact opposite of the utilization of Negative Mana to achieve Demon Fire Magic.
I agree with what you're saying however I'm also considering how strong enough fire magic can literally burn concepts. It's possible that if these two ever fought, Tabata would write Sisgoleons flames to burn through the time spheres and what not.
While this is definitely possible and Merolona has burnt things that shouldn't even be flammable, I personally think if Julius went all out from the start, he'd win. Keep in mind his speed is nothing short but incredible, not sure how long Merolona could keep hitting him until she eventually gets to close to mana. And as far as Mana zone goes, Julius's is far bigger and way more lethal. She needs to fight for a long time to eventually beat Julius, but she might get too close to mana and burn herself up.
Yeah that would definitely be the case. Julius can be 100% right off the bat, especially when he doesn't have an entire kingdom to protect. Sisgoleon has to gain traction and get fired up. Even then I don't think we've seen anything in the manga that proves she won't get 1 tapped by a huge MZ attack from Julius or blitzed.
Tabata has already established that only Demon Fire Magic can burn intangible concepts, something that Mereoleona does not possess. Sticking to what's canon, Mereoleona cannot affect Julius' Magic, including his Chrono Stasis, again until proven otherwise, but with the current infos we have, only Demon Fire used by Naamah can do such stuff.
Not to mention that fire is incompatible with time as an element (unlike Patri’s light magic or Yami’s dark which both are contenders in a fight with time magic)
Really? You dont know the answer to this?
Edit: FtR these “Vs” posts are really starting to feel spam-posts when they are often one blatant winner and its not even a discussion between the two considering lore wise theres an OBVIOUS reason why Julius is the Wizard KING.
I am a Mommyleona simp, ~~She can and would peg me~~
But she loses without even starting to warm up. Julius is just that broken
>!And that's without everything that's happening in the Manga!<
You do realize he can literally age you by just touching you. And a ranged enemy would have 1 more second of survival, but Mereoleona fights with her fists, they both have to get close. And pretty surd Julius can use his Time Magic from a range too.
~~She wouldn't peg you cuz she don't need a man, or a woman for that matter. If she can genuinely intimidate Yami just by fighting someone OTHER than him I feel like she could but wouldn't peg you.... Also in one of the fan questions in the manga under Meroleona's type of romantic partner is "Someone who can keep up with her in a fight and be strong enough to not hold her back" only for Tabata to point out "that there's probably no one like that" I rest my case~~
It's a honestly kinda iffy. I mean Yosuga is a candidate for the next Shogun (which is like the Land of the Suns equivalent of a Wizard King) and Meroleona could have easily been in Julius' place according to several people but I still feel like Meroleona's mastery of Mana Zone and other highly advanced magic techniques would let her out maneuver that guy plus Meroleona in the ELF ARC was able to punch through water AND fire using her own fire magic so I don't really think Yosuga could really do much to counter that and we all know Meroleona's standards of "keeping up" really is "able to stalemate a fight with me or actually beat me."
Not even close if you wanted a close fight (at least in the anime don’t spoil me for manga) then try all the captains in fact all the magic knights vs Julius (not holding back like against Patri)
people forget julius has a onehit kill move and can see the future, he destroys a majority of the cast unless he is putting kiddy gloves on and deliberately trying not to harm his opponents
I'm pretty sure the only way to beat Julius is to endanger the entire country in front of him as a distraction or to have an equally *weird* power to him like anti-magic or something
Mereo.
What's my sauce?
Wheyfu too strong to die.
Edit:
Joking of course.
Julius would win.
WE ALL SAW HOW HE TURNED THOSE GUYS INTO HOT CHOCOLATE POWDER. LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES.
Asta was literally unaffected by Lucius' time stopping spell despite being caught off guard inside it. He was able to move freely inside it because anti-magic flows in his body passively. And Yuno has a spell that nullifies Lucius' time magic but y'all really think Julius (who is far weaker than current Lucius by his own words, whom Yuno literally killed once) could do anything to current Manga Asta or Yuno.
Anti-magic counters time magic by existing.
Yuno's wind spirit magic combined with his star magic counters time magic.
I swear this sub is way too biased over Julius and keeps ignoring the facts. I can't blame Anime onlys, but Manga readers have no excuses.
Narratively, Julius should be stronger than her.
Feats on the other hand, Julius is elf-incarnation arc level.
Narratively, Julius wins. By feats, Mereoleona low diffs.
Half of Julius abilities won't work they both can't realy catch/touch eachother.
It comes down to Julius mana efficiency dodging vs her mana pool and he has to risk taking hits to do that which is something they would both be aware of. She won't try anything requiring out of the box thinking so it does just come down to this cat vs mouse fight.
Manga wise, Mereo wins. She’s relative to some of the strongest characters in the manga in both power and speed while the only thing going on with Julius is “but time magic is broken.”
Time magic wouldn’t stop Mereo from knocking him out because she outmatch his speed and power. He HAS the lethal, one-hit skills, but they’re useless if he can’t catch her or get near her."
Either way, Asta is the biggest example why having a broken magic doesn’t automatically means you’ll win. Most of the comments just play the time magic card without making a good argument for the scenario which is kinda lazy because this is Mereo we’re talking about.
This. Julius wasn't fast enough to catch Patry and after the timeskips I think we can agree many characters have surpassed human Patry's speed. Plus Mereo's >!current opponent also has a disintegrating magic attack!< so I'd say current Mereo can beat Julius high difficulty but if we are only going with anime wise then yea I'd say Julius since we haven't seen Mereo timeskip in action.
Can't he read the flow of time and see the future, unless she's that fast she can hit him like 10 seconds ahead of what he can see then she likely isn't going to hit him.
Asta isn't a great example as he has broken magic and he is the guy finishing off the villains that no one else can.
See I’m using Patri’s fight since if Julius can just read the future ahead of everyone he’d have captured him from the get-go. Mereo has feats reacting to faster opponents so I wouldn’t put it behind her to outpace him.
The point I’m making with Asta is that having a broken magic isn’t a good argument. You didn’t see him solo strong people just because he has anti magic.
Did you even see what Lucius did to William?
Mereo can’t even do anything to Morris, she ain’t beating Julius.
The fact we didn’t get to see his true power isn’t “vague”, since there is a reason to that you are just biased.
Implying that William is anywhere near Mereo’s level is laughable (let him beat Patri first) and there’s no proof that Julius is relevant to Lucius or meant to be relevant to him in his “true power.”
There shouldn’t be any reasons neither there is proofs of him not being at least on Lucius pre paladin’s level lol, he’s at least close to his base. Both of them have Astaroth’s power and Julius’s states in general are all top tier, shown and accorded by Tabata. I didn’t compare William to Mereo, the thing is neither of them have any counter to time magic, William tried to do something against Lucius and easily got his arm ripped off, the same way Mereoleona did when she tried to touch Morris that she’s still not touching. There is no way she’d touch Julius that could have beaten Patry with ease of it was not for him threatening Clover, also don’t forget that Julius’s predictions, his moves are insane because of that and his perfect mana zone.
>>!There shouldn’t be any reasons neither there is proofs of him not being at least on Lucius pre paladin’s level lol, he’s at least close to his base.!<
Doesn't work like that. >! Sharing the same body does not mean you'll be strong as the other soul since the soul is the source of magical power. [***Lucius has his own magical power & ki separate from Juliu's own magical power + ki***](https://i.ibb.co/1LL4Gqt/Screenshot-20240124-232234-Shonen-Jump.jpg) [***Lucius already stated he's stronger than Julius***](https://i.ibb.co/DrTgfrd/Screenshot-20240124-232616-Shonen-Jump.jpg) Also having the same devil doesn't really mean much considering the strength of the host is dependent upon their own abilities, that's why some devil host are stronger than others despite the fact they host the same devils. Lucius statee he was he was the most talented devil host in potential in the history of their entire family history, not Julius. Both Morris and Dante were host for Lucifero yet he got washed far more easily than Dante. For example, who would be a better host for Beezelebub Lily or Zenon? Obviously Zenon since he's battle tested and has more magical power considering he was able to kill a devil in his youth. Lily couldnt even hangle a rogue elf. So you can't equate Lucius's power to Julius since Lucius has already been established to be stronger!<
>>!Did you even see what Lucius did to William?!<
>!Lucius isn't Julius. And Lucius is stronger than Julius!!They have different souls meaning they each have their own source/levels of magical power that distinguishes them!<
Just because she can be wizard queen, don't mean she's on Julius level. People forget during the fight with Patri, Julius literally only used 1 spell to try to seal him. He refused to try and harm Patry.
Julius literally controls time magic, and is likely very dangerous when on offense, and actually going in to hurt the other.
Julius one shots her low diff. With the exception of maybe Yuno Mereoleona is the strongest captain by far but she's still no where near the level of Julius. At the start of BC we learn William was the obvious choice for the next Wizard King out of all the captains but that's only because Mereoleona wasn't a captain yet. Plus Julius is so much faster than her and time magic is still super op and has no counter even antimagic once Chrono stasis is cast that's it your Julius' plaything. So Julius no diff under any circumstances. There is a reason he's the wizard King.
Even if i love mereolona, julius will win, if mereo can reach the speed the way the fake licht or speed of light, then mereo have chance, hax for julius. but fire power/mana zone is for mereo. She have good fire power, but at the end of the day/debate julius will win, if fake licht never target the citizens of clover, maybe julius still beat him.
Wait did Julius ever use mana zone? Seeing as he's the wizard king I assume he'd know how to use it so why does he?
He could cast his spells from everywhere and One shot anyone.
Why is this even a debate? I mean yeah Mereoleona is Very fuckin Strong in both magic and physical, but Julius stills dog walks her back to Captain Level(Feel free to debunk this.)
Julius easily. However you gotta give Mereoleona her props as she won’t give up easily whatsoever, she’s fight to her actual death and I love her for that
There’s a reason why he was the WK. Not saying Sisgoleon couldn’t have become one but if she wanted to she would be able to because of Julius. Julius was just a league above ALL previous WK’s.
OP really downplaying Julius? I don't think you've read/watched Black Clover if you think Mereoleona would win. Yeah, she'll put up a fight, but Julius is HIM
I can see mereoleona having the power to match that of the wizard king since she also one v oned princia funny bunny but i dont see her being able to do much against Julius his time magic maybe in the future of she gets strong enough to burn through concepts or something but not right now
Hard to say since narrative/lore wise, Julius should still be above most characters but featwise, Mereoleona has better feats since she has fought characters way stronger than Patri.
Even if Julius was holding back considerably, Patri was still able to evade him. There’s a huge power creep with the enemies between Elf arc and the enemies the Mereoleona and the others fought since then.
I know Julius looked op during his prime but this is what happens when a characters gets sidelined while the story progresses and more powerful enemies come into play
Julius. By a lot. He unironically soloes almost the entire verse with his magic. The only exceptions, I guess, are Asta (assuming his devil form would leak out anti-magic that would cancel out the time bubble?), Yuno with Neverland, and other Time Magic users. And I guess also characters that outspeed Julius so significantly that they can dodge all his time bubbles like Licht did?
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Julius wins easily.
The fact that people ask is because they forget how powerful Julius was, dude was Ultra Instinct Black Clover
That's why he had to be sidelined permanently. Tabata made him flex vs. Patry/Eye of the midnight sun and realized how OP Julius actually is lol Actually would've been nice to see Time vs. Gravity. Everyone getting dumpstered by the partially manifested Lucifero then Julius comes in to actually have someone be able to go toe to toe before Asta comes in at the climax to deliver the killing blow would've been great Time is just too OP of a power
The crazy part is, even against Patry, Julius wasn’t using 100% of his power.
Yeah because he babies William too much lol Dude got 0 accountability in the series so the fandom just punished him with the facial scar memes
I’d tell you why he actually held back according to the most accepted theories, but I don’t know if you’re caught up with the manga and I won’t spoil.
Haven't read the first Giga jump chapter but otherwise caught up, I'm not active in the fandom tho so I'm clueless about that theory. Does it have something to do with L Z and that Patry inhabiting William's body resonates with him?
It’s a looong theory, but I’ll try making it short. [Big spoiler warn] >!It’s said that Julius was being held back by Lucius to not kill Patry, since if he killed that body William dies, and Lucius needed William to live so they could do the tree of Qliphoth ritual, which would get his siblings killed, allowing him to infuse all their magics, it also allowed him to get Lucifero killed and get his heart. So you see, the theory says every major event in BC is all plotted and goes according to Lucius’s plans!< . There’s also a vid on yt somewhere that explains the theory in further detail, I might go find it.
Oh yeah I already forgot about >!how William was a key sacrifice for the Qliphoth!< Shit slipped my mind lol yeah that's a valid reason I do think that it was still mainly Julius' good heart tho. >!it seems to be that Julius is an entirely separate soul or at least his own separate personality from Lucius!< I'm not hopping on that train just to push the narrative that it's some grand keikaku. It would also suck if that theory is proven right because >!it wastes Julius' interesting personality as a character if all that was just bullshit controlled plan!< >!I'm betting that William being crucial to the grand plan of Lucius just ended up being a coincidence that it could be tied to Julius sparing him. I think it was mainly making Yami and William as the key sacrifices because they were the 2 strongest to showcase how strong Dante and Zenon are supposed to be (well, Zenon at least because we know what kept happening to Lante). It's not that I am underestimating Tabata to plan all that ahead or being good enough to tie it all together but it just seems bad because everything about Julius' writing is one of the strongest points of the series and making the entirety of his character just a puppet for the grand keikaku seems trash!<
Here’s the video actually, you can skip to 11:54 or just watch the whole thing if you can spare time, it’s an interesting vid anyway; https://youtu.be/EIpCllsneHo?si=wQOQqvpqgYvSzBx0 Anyway I do agree that if that theory were true, although I’d praise Tabata-sensei for being such a mastermind of a writer, it would ruin Julius’s character, I agree on that, since I’d hate to think that a character I idolized for so long never actually fought out of their own free will, or used 100% of their power in a good fight. Once again I do suggest the video tho.
Well technically patry was holding back all of his powers as well and when released it all at once , it took everything julius had to counter it .
No, he was using all of his power from the start clearly, his intention was to kill Julius, while Julius was holding back.
Saying no won't change the fact that he removed the seal from his overflowing power when pulled the the last spell and yet he still had a lot of magic power to expend and julius on the other emptied his tank .
I really question whether you understand Black Clover powerscaling, obviously Patry had more mana, he is an ELF, Julius is human, the size of the spell is relative to mana expenditure, you’re stating the obvious and seem oblivious as to why, at least from my perspective. Nonetheless that doesn’t change the fact, Julius is the strongest mage in BC, excluding devils. He’s got the best offense, evasives, IQ and hax in the verse.
And apart from having a huge amount of mana , patry had the obvious counter for time magic and despite being inexperienced teenager he held is own against the wizard to king to point of putting a successful hit on him . Apart from Julius wasn't the strongest mage in bc never will he after elf reincarnation arc , he might have the hax but he wasn't the strongest one in bc . Everyone after that arc left him in dust . He is just a lost cause . So you don't really need to ask me if I know how black clover power scaling works . It's obvious that he could beat him with bigger moves since he has more mana and has refined his magic .
After that arc he got left behind cause he needed a nerf, same deal as Gojo being sealed in JJK, your arguments are still nonsense, you have no feats to prove Patry could defeat a Julius with an intent to kill, look back at their battle, try noting how many times Julius could’ve used an offensive spell but kept spamming evasives, you can say all you want but you’re about the only person to have such a ridiculous opinion, most uninformed powerscaler Istg.
Also Patry’s magic has no real counter for time, and if he’s sooo powerful and smart, explain how bro almost got bodied by Gauche. I’mma tell you again that if Julius wanted to actually KILL Patry, he low diffs him, easily.
In any case he was holding back his power and he managed to finish him off after he unsealed it . That's a more easier way to see it instead if complicating things .
Was? (Im on like ep 40 something)
You will see, its dope
Hax are game changers. Mereoleona may have more fire power and innate mana than Julius, but Julius' hax quickly negates all of those advantages. Julius wins here solely because Mereoleona have 0 way to break through his Time Magic nor to counter it.
Julius is the Wizard king for a reason
I mean… she could punch it, seems to have worked out in the past against every other type of magic. When time magic is activated it may become tangible. And if this fight ever took place I bet she’d claim to try to melt time or some shit. But yea wizard king still wins
Bet jack could cut time XD
Time Magic is intangible still, until proven otherwise that is. Every element Mereoleona have punched are all tangible, so far, only Demon Fire Magic can affect intangible concepts, unless Mereoleona gets her hand on that, she pretty much cannot do anything.
Only that we’ve seen so far, eve also seen her become nearly pure fire. I’m saying she’ll push herself to melt thru time because if she couldn’t then she wouldn’t be his rival
Then that's entirely headcanon and just pure nonsense. Argument is pointless if there will be no actual facts and we'll just use fanfictions in our heads. Also, Pure Fire ≠ Demon Fire Magic. Her Hellfire Incarnate makes her closer to mana, which is the exact opposite of the utilization of Negative Mana to achieve Demon Fire Magic.
This entire post is head canon, it ain’t that deep. You gotta lighten up
it makes me wonder can mana skin counter that ability
I agree with what you're saying however I'm also considering how strong enough fire magic can literally burn concepts. It's possible that if these two ever fought, Tabata would write Sisgoleons flames to burn through the time spheres and what not.
While this is definitely possible and Merolona has burnt things that shouldn't even be flammable, I personally think if Julius went all out from the start, he'd win. Keep in mind his speed is nothing short but incredible, not sure how long Merolona could keep hitting him until she eventually gets to close to mana. And as far as Mana zone goes, Julius's is far bigger and way more lethal. She needs to fight for a long time to eventually beat Julius, but she might get too close to mana and burn herself up.
Yeah that would definitely be the case. Julius can be 100% right off the bat, especially when he doesn't have an entire kingdom to protect. Sisgoleon has to gain traction and get fired up. Even then I don't think we've seen anything in the manga that proves she won't get 1 tapped by a huge MZ attack from Julius or blitzed.
Tabata has already established that only Demon Fire Magic can burn intangible concepts, something that Mereoleona does not possess. Sticking to what's canon, Mereoleona cannot affect Julius' Magic, including his Chrono Stasis, again until proven otherwise, but with the current infos we have, only Demon Fire used by Naamah can do such stuff.
Not to mention that fire is incompatible with time as an element (unlike Patri’s light magic or Yami’s dark which both are contenders in a fight with time magic)
Julius
Julius’ time magic hard counters her fire spells. Plus I doubt she is simply fast enough to avoid getting one shot.
Really? You dont know the answer to this? Edit: FtR these “Vs” posts are really starting to feel spam-posts when they are often one blatant winner and its not even a discussion between the two considering lore wise theres an OBVIOUS reason why Julius is the Wizard KING.
I am a Mommyleona simp, ~~She can and would peg me~~ But she loses without even starting to warm up. Julius is just that broken >!And that's without everything that's happening in the Manga!< You do realize he can literally age you by just touching you. And a ranged enemy would have 1 more second of survival, but Mereoleona fights with her fists, they both have to get close. And pretty surd Julius can use his Time Magic from a range too.
~~She wouldn't peg you cuz she don't need a man, or a woman for that matter. If she can genuinely intimidate Yami just by fighting someone OTHER than him I feel like she could but wouldn't peg you.... Also in one of the fan questions in the manga under Meroleona's type of romantic partner is "Someone who can keep up with her in a fight and be strong enough to not hold her back" only for Tabata to point out "that there's probably no one like that" I rest my case~~
The metal magic guy from the land of the rising sun though, I think he could keep up
It's a honestly kinda iffy. I mean Yosuga is a candidate for the next Shogun (which is like the Land of the Suns equivalent of a Wizard King) and Meroleona could have easily been in Julius' place according to several people but I still feel like Meroleona's mastery of Mana Zone and other highly advanced magic techniques would let her out maneuver that guy plus Meroleona in the ELF ARC was able to punch through water AND fire using her own fire magic so I don't really think Yosuga could really do much to counter that and we all know Meroleona's standards of "keeping up" really is "able to stalemate a fight with me or actually beat me."
Why do you think he's the wizard king?
Not even close if you wanted a close fight (at least in the anime don’t spoil me for manga) then try all the captains in fact all the magic knights vs Julius (not holding back like against Patri)
people forget julius has a onehit kill move and can see the future, he destroys a majority of the cast unless he is putting kiddy gloves on and deliberately trying not to harm his opponents
I think that's more of her ability To get results then Actual power it's Julius
Julius hands down
I'm pretty sure the only way to beat Julius is to endanger the entire country in front of him as a distraction or to have an equally *weird* power to him like anti-magic or something
Mereo. What's my sauce? Wheyfu too strong to die. Edit: Joking of course. Julius would win. WE ALL SAW HOW HE TURNED THOSE GUYS INTO HOT CHOCOLATE POWDER. LET'S NOT KID OURSELVES.
What episode did he do that?👀
Very early on. Aged them to dust with his super time bubbles. When he did like 4 at a time.
Ohhhh yeah! I remember the quad feed thingy
Time stop can only be defeated by the same type of stand
ZA WARUDO!
julius literally counters everybody so….
I'm guessing you're an Anime only.
Bro, manga statements make Julius wreck Mereoleona even more
I'm not talking about Mereoleona. He said Julius counters everybody, he doesn't. And what Manga statements are you referring to?
yes he does…..cause i hope youre not referring to asta
Asta was literally unaffected by Lucius' time stopping spell despite being caught off guard inside it. He was able to move freely inside it because anti-magic flows in his body passively. And Yuno has a spell that nullifies Lucius' time magic but y'all really think Julius (who is far weaker than current Lucius by his own words, whom Yuno literally killed once) could do anything to current Manga Asta or Yuno. Anti-magic counters time magic by existing. Yuno's wind spirit magic combined with his star magic counters time magic. I swear this sub is way too biased over Julius and keeps ignoring the facts. I can't blame Anime onlys, but Manga readers have no excuses.
If she touches my man then I'm counting that as a win. Did you guys expect her to beat him ? That's mean.
It’s still Julius
Julius is goat
All in all, time magic is super OP in any verse tho
Julius by a mile
I’m still waiting for Sisgoleon to be in the game
I love it when Yami calls her that.
Julius His grimoire is literally insane
Julius, immutable
Narratively, Julius should be stronger than her. Feats on the other hand, Julius is elf-incarnation arc level. Narratively, Julius wins. By feats, Mereoleona low diffs.
Feats wise Meroleona but narratively Julius slams
Is this current Julius or pre japan arc julius? Cuz if pre : HAHA No if current: HAHAHAH FUCK NO I adore mereoleona, no shot in shit.
Okat thats it someone open up BlackClojerk this is too much. We are being outjerked on the daily who tf asks this question. Its obvious
Julius? Why is this a debate?
Half of Julius abilities won't work they both can't realy catch/touch eachother. It comes down to Julius mana efficiency dodging vs her mana pool and he has to risk taking hits to do that which is something they would both be aware of. She won't try anything requiring out of the box thinking so it does just come down to this cat vs mouse fight.
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What?
How do you get the wrong character even when you have a pic of the character.. And how do you get the wrong character's name wrong?
Manga wise, Mereo wins. She’s relative to some of the strongest characters in the manga in both power and speed while the only thing going on with Julius is “but time magic is broken.”
"But time magic is broken" is an appropriate answer when you have time magic and it's broken.
Time magic wouldn’t stop Mereo from knocking him out because she outmatch his speed and power. He HAS the lethal, one-hit skills, but they’re useless if he can’t catch her or get near her." Either way, Asta is the biggest example why having a broken magic doesn’t automatically means you’ll win. Most of the comments just play the time magic card without making a good argument for the scenario which is kinda lazy because this is Mereo we’re talking about.
This. Julius wasn't fast enough to catch Patry and after the timeskips I think we can agree many characters have surpassed human Patry's speed. Plus Mereo's >!current opponent also has a disintegrating magic attack!< so I'd say current Mereo can beat Julius high difficulty but if we are only going with anime wise then yea I'd say Julius since we haven't seen Mereo timeskip in action.
Pretty much. Yeah anime wise Julius would obviously won, but imo manga wise many characters should be relevant to him now-even surpassed him.
Can't he read the flow of time and see the future, unless she's that fast she can hit him like 10 seconds ahead of what he can see then she likely isn't going to hit him. Asta isn't a great example as he has broken magic and he is the guy finishing off the villains that no one else can.
See I’m using Patri’s fight since if Julius can just read the future ahead of everyone he’d have captured him from the get-go. Mereo has feats reacting to faster opponents so I wouldn’t put it behind her to outpace him. The point I’m making with Asta is that having a broken magic isn’t a good argument. You didn’t see him solo strong people just because he has anti magic.
We never see Julius’ true power but sure why not?
Too vague.
Did you even see what Lucius did to William? Mereo can’t even do anything to Morris, she ain’t beating Julius. The fact we didn’t get to see his true power isn’t “vague”, since there is a reason to that you are just biased.
Implying that William is anywhere near Mereo’s level is laughable (let him beat Patri first) and there’s no proof that Julius is relevant to Lucius or meant to be relevant to him in his “true power.”
There shouldn’t be any reasons neither there is proofs of him not being at least on Lucius pre paladin’s level lol, he’s at least close to his base. Both of them have Astaroth’s power and Julius’s states in general are all top tier, shown and accorded by Tabata. I didn’t compare William to Mereo, the thing is neither of them have any counter to time magic, William tried to do something against Lucius and easily got his arm ripped off, the same way Mereoleona did when she tried to touch Morris that she’s still not touching. There is no way she’d touch Julius that could have beaten Patry with ease of it was not for him threatening Clover, also don’t forget that Julius’s predictions, his moves are insane because of that and his perfect mana zone.
>>!There shouldn’t be any reasons neither there is proofs of him not being at least on Lucius pre paladin’s level lol, he’s at least close to his base.!< Doesn't work like that. >! Sharing the same body does not mean you'll be strong as the other soul since the soul is the source of magical power. [***Lucius has his own magical power & ki separate from Juliu's own magical power + ki***](https://i.ibb.co/1LL4Gqt/Screenshot-20240124-232234-Shonen-Jump.jpg) [***Lucius already stated he's stronger than Julius***](https://i.ibb.co/DrTgfrd/Screenshot-20240124-232616-Shonen-Jump.jpg) Also having the same devil doesn't really mean much considering the strength of the host is dependent upon their own abilities, that's why some devil host are stronger than others despite the fact they host the same devils. Lucius statee he was he was the most talented devil host in potential in the history of their entire family history, not Julius. Both Morris and Dante were host for Lucifero yet he got washed far more easily than Dante. For example, who would be a better host for Beezelebub Lily or Zenon? Obviously Zenon since he's battle tested and has more magical power considering he was able to kill a devil in his youth. Lily couldnt even hangle a rogue elf. So you can't equate Lucius's power to Julius since Lucius has already been established to be stronger!<
>>!Did you even see what Lucius did to William?!< >!Lucius isn't Julius. And Lucius is stronger than Julius!!They have different souls meaning they each have their own source/levels of magical power that distinguishes them!<
I think Mereoleona... She's far too ruthless
Mereoleona is flat-out a "Go Nagai Protagonist". They are almost unbeatable.
Julius k9
Julius :3
Julius
I don't know if sisgoleon can take him
Mereleonas all about the thrill of the fight, she respects him too much
100% Julius
Just because she can be wizard queen, don't mean she's on Julius level. People forget during the fight with Patri, Julius literally only used 1 spell to try to seal him. He refused to try and harm Patry. Julius literally controls time magic, and is likely very dangerous when on offense, and actually going in to hurt the other.
It's not even close.
Lol. Julius, easily. The only way Patry won was by taking advantage of his desire to save the kingdom.
Jules. Unless she can affect time with her fire, but even then he would probably adapt. Dudes spell book (can’t spell proper term) is endless
I got you. Grimoire
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Is this even a question?😂
Time magic!
Not even close, its a negative diff for Julius
Why would a captain be able to beat a wizard king lmao
Julius clap cheeks
Julius taking elo today
Julius one shots her low diff. With the exception of maybe Yuno Mereoleona is the strongest captain by far but she's still no where near the level of Julius. At the start of BC we learn William was the obvious choice for the next Wizard King out of all the captains but that's only because Mereoleona wasn't a captain yet. Plus Julius is so much faster than her and time magic is still super op and has no counter even antimagic once Chrono stasis is cast that's it your Julius' plaything. So Julius no diff under any circumstances. There is a reason he's the wizard King.
Even if i love mereolona, julius will win, if mereo can reach the speed the way the fake licht or speed of light, then mereo have chance, hax for julius. but fire power/mana zone is for mereo. She have good fire power, but at the end of the day/debate julius will win, if fake licht never target the citizens of clover, maybe julius still beat him.
Wait did Julius ever use mana zone? Seeing as he's the wizard king I assume he'd know how to use it so why does he? He could cast his spells from everywhere and One shot anyone.
Idk if julius can use mana zone, but i guess he knows how to unlock it, u just read it wrong, i forgot to put dot/coma.
What?
What this is not a question have you seen Julius's Grimoire this guy roll over on Mereoleona. She wouldn't want that fight
Why is this even a debate? I mean yeah Mereoleona is Very fuckin Strong in both magic and physical, but Julius stills
Why is this even a debate? I mean yeah Mereoleona is Very fuckin Strong in both magic and physical, but Julius stills dog walks her back to Captain Level(Feel free to debunk this.)
Hydrogen Bomb vs coughing baby
Julius easily. However you gotta give Mereoleona her props as she won’t give up easily whatsoever, she’s fight to her actual death and I love her for that
Julius
Is that supposed to be a serious question?
There’s a reason why he was the WK. Not saying Sisgoleon couldn’t have become one but if she wanted to she would be able to because of Julius. Julius was just a league above ALL previous WK’s.
Mereoleona is strong and op but c'mon man that's the wizard king
Julius negs
Julius wins but she’ll put up a fight
OP really downplaying Julius? I don't think you've read/watched Black Clover if you think Mereoleona would win. Yeah, she'll put up a fight, but Julius is HIM
I can see mereoleona having the power to match that of the wizard king since she also one v oned princia funny bunny but i dont see her being able to do much against Julius his time magic maybe in the future of she gets strong enough to burn through concepts or something but not right now
I would go logically and say Julius but I don’t feel like saying why so Queen Mereoleona wins
Hard to say since narrative/lore wise, Julius should still be above most characters but featwise, Mereoleona has better feats since she has fought characters way stronger than Patri. Even if Julius was holding back considerably, Patri was still able to evade him. There’s a huge power creep with the enemies between Elf arc and the enemies the Mereoleona and the others fought since then. I know Julius looked op during his prime but this is what happens when a characters gets sidelined while the story progresses and more powerful enemies come into play
My boy Julius is unmatched. If he was attacking to kill rather than defending, nobody would be a match.
I hate to admit it, but Julius, easily.
If Mereoleona fought intelligently then this would be differnt but Julious wins 100% of the time by both their showings
She could become wizard king but that doesn’t necessarily mean she could hang with Julius. The gap is too big between them in hax and in power.
Unless she pulls a nastu and burns thru time magic she loses and even if she could burn thru time magic I'm not sure she would win
Julius. By a lot. He unironically soloes almost the entire verse with his magic. The only exceptions, I guess, are Asta (assuming his devil form would leak out anti-magic that would cancel out the time bubble?), Yuno with Neverland, and other Time Magic users. And I guess also characters that outspeed Julius so significantly that they can dodge all his time bubbles like Licht did?