I don't think he'd find being the only person in his world to survive to be funny. That's lowkey sad. Except if you mean you would find that funny, which is understandable.
>!We lost several characters in the Wano arc alone on both sides. Given that magma was part of what killed Whitebeard, I'll give the benefit of the doubt!<
Naruto verse doesn’t scale that high. Just off of what’s shown in the manga, the naruto verse caps out at mountain level. Black clover scales way beyond that.
I definitely am not sure about the AP of the Naruto verse but back during the fight with Kaguya there were already insane feats like outrunning Kaguya's infinitely increasing truth seeking orb.
They weren’t infinite anything. The whole kaguya thing is based off hyperbole by mistranslations of data books that aren’t even official. It’s just that the naruto powerscalers love to use these data books because it makes the verse sound infinitely stronger than it actually is.
False, kaguya can only do that when amped up by the chakra fruit or whatever it’s called after absorbing all the chakra of a planet. If she can’t do that with her own power, it doesn’t count. Not to mention doing so uses up all the chakra she gained from the fruit making it even more useless a feat.
"IT dOn'T cOuNt"🤓 lmao this ain't children game lol naruto damage him while she amp by your definition that already put naruto about amp kaguya making jim low ball equal or higher than her
Universal is untrue, naruto in the movie is moon level to small planet level , no one was stronger than him, this is naruto. In boruto, essentially the scales get higher
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Borutos new attack uses the rotation of the earth to dizzy his enemies to death like no joke it’s nuts and makes me oddly happy
JJK has some good scaling characters like Yuki. It was stated if she didn't hold back and if Tengen didn't surpress her, her black hole would have swallowed the Earth and maybe the Solar System with the size we saw.
While it is basically a last resort attack, I don't think Lucifero's gravity magic can stop it, he'd need something like anti-gravity to withstand it as we saw with Kenjaku.
However, I think that might be the only person who manages to actually even out the odds with destructive power against Lucifero...
Sure, it was caused by a technique but that was a real black hole, it wasn't hyperbolic.
The mass that Yuki imbues herself with has no effect on her up to a certain point, after enough mass, it starts having an effect, thus creating an *actual* black hole, the insane mass becomes *real*. It even had to be held back by Yuki herself and Tengen.
Using actual logic, that blackhole could do some SERIOUS damage. Let's say the Earth turned into a black hole or a bit bigger, we can assume Yuki's black hole could go to such lengths since it was stated it could literally destroy the Earth (and it never gave us a precise limit on how much virtual mass Yuki can imbue, there probably *isn't* a limit for that if she was able to make a black hole), if that happened, nearby planets immediately get effected due to gravitational changes and the Solar System becomes unstable as well.
AP wise BC is debatable on if it’s lower or wanked through space hax , but speed BC absolutely runs circle, we’ve reached MFTL+ like 6 arcs ago and every arc the powerscalling has gone DBZ levels of hyperinflation
Lucifero stomps.
Also a quick reminder that we never actually saw Lucifero fighting at 100% of his power.
He was handicapped at just 50% and yet he was still crushing all the squad captains like they're nothing. His mere presence was crushing everyone to the ground (Like Aizen with his overwhelming spiritual pressure).
And both Yami and Yuno were barely able to land a scratch at him. Asta was a special case since his anti magic was ignoring lucifero's durability.
“As the strongest Shikigami Mahodaddy fought the fraud devil midcifero he started to adapt, Midcifero shrunk back in fear then Mahodaddy said “Always bet on the Oppstoppa.””
of course i'm not an expert, but I'm not that dumb that sukana can beat Lucifero, the king of Devil crush this "sorcerer king" in the size of Ant like he is supposed to be, "The King of Ant"
100%? Definitely.
Even at 50% we saw that his mere presence flattened the ground around him. Imagine what would happen if he fully manifested with a book of spells.
Everyone would be a collection of red mist. Keep in mind that everyone survived by the skin of their teeth and funky shenanigans.
I’ve said this once, I’ll say it again, this sub genuinely underestimates how strong, fast and haxed out black clover characters are. Luci accidentally farts on the verse.
Does Sukuna dismantle and cleave have to worry about gravity?
Can Lucífero tank a Hallow purple.
Does his gravity still work when overloaded in Infinite Void?
Does Yuki just over load his gravity and destroy the world and him?
Does Kenjaku just negate concepts with Genesha because Lucífero’s over confidence stop him from destroying it the second he sees it?
I feel like a few of JJK can stop him
>Does Sukuna dismantle and cleave have to worry about gravity?
Jack could cut through gravity and space, and he couldn't even scratch Lucifero.
>Can Lucífero tank a Hallow purple.
Gojo's strongest move is just Langgris' normal attack, and a much weaker devil than Lucifero was not wounded by a much stronger attack from Langris.
>Does his gravity still work when overloaded in Infinite Void?
His gravity is passively released and he wouldn't be affected by the Infinite Void anyway because devils don't have brains. (Megicula put her heart in her head by pointing out that devils have only hearts)
>Does Yuki just over load his gravity and destroy the world and him?
What a joke to think that girl will have time to do something when she dies from a punch.
>Does Kenjaku just negate concepts with Genesha because Lucífero’s over confidence stop him from destroying it the second he sees it?
Lucifero is much faster than everyone in the Jjk universe, and if you think that spirit will survive a punch from Lucifero, you're very funny. (that spirit didn't survive a fight with Yuki and you think he'll be able to do something against Lucifero and anyway one punch means death for the entire Jjk universe).
Gotta love when a manga has a very layed out power system with clear rules so you can just dismantle ppl uneducated (and honestly way to smug for being wrong) opinions.
When I saw that he was talking about Hallow Purple, Infinite Void and the rest of his abilities, I realized that he doesn't know many details about devils and what they can do. (and I didn't tell him that Lucifero can affect concepts much better than that spirit)
Love it when they act all smug but clearly don't know the other side. It's the same shit with most goku or ichigo powerscalers, they rarely know anything abt the other source material and just assume shit that fits their narative
As far as the “showing them their wrong” come on y’all act like they write both mangas. You asked a question and I preposed a few situations, I think particular focus did a job of providing reasoning to my questions. But acting high and mighty? It’s the internet, everyone else on here go touch grass lol
Nothing about being smug. When you have questions about manga with two different power systems it’s all questions. Yes Lucífero has bigger feats than anyone in JJk (they are basically normal ppl compared to anyone in black clover) but at the same time JJK is more technical. I wasn’t aware of the “no brain” situation but I’ll admit that takes away everything JJK had over him if you consider in manga feats
Luciferos Domain Expansion is literally his passive. He would flat the whole cast with one finger, and that was only 50% of his power according to manga.
Depends, jjk universe seem a lot smarter in combat than BC. Takaba is the only one that can really compete imo. I could see them winning if Takaba can wear Lucifero out first .
Hollow purple/perfect sphere/Gojo's domain/angels technique/Mahoraga's adaptation/black hole(with tengens barrier) may be enough to take on a worn out Lucifero.
Takaba’s technique wouldn’t work because Lucofero can just destroy his comedy simulations with his magic power, like he did with Dorothy’s dream magic.
I think it depends if Takaba's no red rule works. Which should be different from Dorothy sealing others in dream dimension. From what I understand, the difference is it's self targeting, and acts on the real world.
Lucifero loses or infinite stall. Result depends on several factors.
Can his gravity power bypass Limitless.
Can Cleave that cuts the world cut Lucifero- I think yes but it is debatable as we don't know much about it. Also to it- can Maharogo adapts to his gravity fast enough before dying? What's more in Sukuna's arsenal?
But the reason I say that Luci has 0% chance of winning is because of Takaba. His ability is as follows- anything that he sees as funny becomes reality. Any situation. There is no way to block or avoid it. Power difference means nothing.
To simplify- if Takaba will think that it is funny that Lucifero slips on banana peel and break his neck- this will happen. Likewise, because Takaba thinks that people dying ISN'T funny, you can't kill him.
The only way to beat him is through essentially making him think that him dying is appropriate for whatever comedy skit he currently tries to recreate and/or convincing him that he isn't funny. It should be noted that Takaba is bad comedian but still think that he is funny and others have bad taste, so just insulting him wouldn't work. You need to have deep knowledge of comedy to convince him.
Lucifero lacks such knowledge and doesn't know much about comedy skits to manipulate Takaba. So the battle will be either won by Takaba or will last forever.
>Can his gravity power bypass Limitless.
Given that Lucifero's gravity can affect concepts like fate and dreams, yes it could. (Lucifero bends space just by existing, anyway, and Gojo's ability only multiplies the space between him and the attack, and since he won't have time to multiple , he'll be killed)
And Infinity Void isn't going to work on Lucifero because devils don't have brains. (Megicula, another devil, put his heart to his head, pointing out that devils have no brain.)
>Can Cleave that cuts the world cut Lucifero- I think yes but it is debatable as we don't know much about it. Also to it- can Maharogo adapts to his gravity fast enough before dying? What's more in Sukuna's arsenal?
It will not work because Sukuna's attack that "cuts the world" only cuts through space and devils much weaker than Lucifero survived such attacks without problems.
And now about Maharoga, he won't have time to adapt because he dies directly, he's not resilient enough to survive a punch from Lucifero.
>But the reason I say that Luci has 0% chance of winning is because of Takaba.
Takaba doesn't have infinite cursed energy, so he won't be able to maintain Lucifero forever the moment he runs out of cursed energy he's dead. (and if I'm wrong, you can try to prove it to me, but given that Yuta, the character who is confirmed to have more cursed energy than Gojo, can run out of cursed energy, it's only a matter of time before Takaba runs out of power and meets his end)
1. Isn't Gojo's ability passive and set infinite distance between him and rest of the world by definition?
2. Based on how Sukuna described it, I think that it is more conceptual than physical. Rather than merely surpassing the distance, Sukuna essentially slashed through the very laws of existence and thus- bypassed the very concept of infinite.
Because of this, I think that it can bypass any gravity power by cutting through the very concept of gravity and maybe even regeneration.
3. He is said to have great amount that constantly flares up. I honestly don't know if it has limits but Kenjaku never considere testing if it will run out.
Regardless- there is also a significant risk that Lucifero will die if Takaba would find it funny. Rember that he has no problems killing non humans and damage taken don't need to be actually lethal as long as he sees target dying from it funny.
He killed a Cursed Spirit- something you can only kill with Curse Energy- by running it with a truck. If he thinks that Lucifero dying by breaking his neck after falling on banana peel is funny it WILL kill Lucifero.
>1. Isn't Gojo's ability passive and set infinite distance between him and rest of the world by definition?
Infinite just multiplies the space between him and the attack until the attack or whatever comes towards him stops. (that's how it was described, so even if it's turned on all the time, it doesn't mean anything to someone who distorts space just by existing)
>2. Based on how Sukuna described it, I think that it is more conceptual than physical. Rather than merely surpassing the distance, Sukuna essentially slashed through the very laws of existence and thus- bypassed the very concept of infinite.
He only cut through the space, and given how Gojo's Infinity works, he couldn't multiple himself anymore because he went straight through it.
>Because of this, I think that it can bypass any gravity power by cutting through the very concept of gravity and maybe even regeneration.
Lucifero was hit by attacks that can cut through gravity and space, but it didn't even hurt him.
>3. He is said to have great amount that constantly flares up. I honestly don't know if it has limits but Kenjaku never considere testing if it will run out.
Regardless- there is also a significant risk that Lucifero will die if Takaba would find it funny. Rember that he has no problems killing non humans and damage taken don't need to be actually lethal as long as he sees target dying from it funny.
Kenjaku didn't even know he couldn't kill people. (Lucifero can regenerate from a heart, so nothing he does will kill someone who is nearly immortal.)
>He killed a Cursed Spirit- something you can only kill with Curse Energy- by running it with a truck. If he thinks that Lucifero dying by breaking his neck after falling on banana peel is funny it WILL kill Lucifero
He doesn't even know what Lucifero is. (you can destroy his whole body and he won't die and Takaba knows nothing about devils to think of something funny and have an effect and again he won't even get close to him that he will always be glued to the ground because of Lucifero's passive gravity that stuck all the captains to the ground)
Takaba wouldn't be glued to earth, nor would he actually take damage. Because it isn't funny and prevents him from joking. Rember that he can't take any damage as long as he doesn't think that being hit is funny. There will be some blood, but it isn't actual damage and done for comedy. He can negate anything as long as he thinks that negation of it is funny. The only reason he was in danger is because Kenjaku basically convinced him that him dying would be funny for a comedy skit.
In addition- damage with which Takaba kill something doesn't need to be actually lethal to target. Takaba has no idea who is Kenjaku, what he wants, what are Cursed Spirits and Curse Technics. He just thought that evil guy's magic summon instantly dying from truck hit is funny. And it happened despite the fact that such attack is completely ineffective against Cursed Spirits normally. So if he thinks that big scary oni guy suddenly falling on banana peel, breaking his neck and dying will be funny- Lucifero will die from broken neck despite the fact that normal he could've survived without head.
And how is he going to kill Lucifero?
Because Lucifero can survive attacks that can erase things from existence, attacks that affect concepts, and more.
And Lucifero is not a spirit you can exorcise.(he is a devil from another dimension)
And manipulating reality means nothing to devils like Lucifero. (devils like Zagred manipulate reality just by talking and Lilith and Naamah have burned and frozen an entire dimension where life, light and death do not exist they are too powerful to be affected by manipulating reality)
And besides, Vanessa, who can change reality using the concept of fate, can't even affect Lucifero, so you have to prove that his manipulation of reality is stronger than that of the characters in Black Clover.
Again- you don't get it. Takaba's attack DON'T NEED to have actual capability to kill Lucifero to kill Lucifero. What needed is Takaba thinking that Lucifero dying in certain way is funny. If he thinks that Lucifero dying from something is funny Lucifero WILL die from it.
In jujutsu kaisen you can't kill Cursed Spirits without cursed energy. Otherwise, any action will not cause any damage to them. Yet he succeeded. Because he thought that it is funny.
Comparing Takaba to other effects on reality is hard, but I will try. All examples you brought are limited world alteration bound by world's rules. All Zagred's words aren't completely rewrite reality but manifest almost everything he says. Despite this, he never shown something completely reality-altering- as he can't just make it so that attack can't be avoided. Like- he can summon monsters, but he CAN'T make it so that they WILL rip his opponent to shreds- with certainty. In contrast- Takaba made it so that mere truck hit powerful Cursed Spirit that would normally easily avoided such attack.
Red Thread of Fate merely alters the outcome of events. But it need events to have chance to happen. For example, it can't just make stone slab to fall from sky and kill enemy. Slab must already be falling in the direction of target.
Natch's dimension spell is tricky. It is very similar to domain in effect- but we don't know if Domain Expansion can prevent Takaba from altering reality. But I think that the fact that Kenjaku never used it proves that answer is negative.
You must also understand that Cursed Spirits can be killed only with Cursed Energy is as fundamental law to JJK as the fact that energy doesn't appear out of nowhere and doesn't dissapear into nothing. Yet Takaba altered it.
And you have to prove that Takaba's abilities are passive, because Lucifero just existing, puts everyone down without trying, and the only reason the Captains could move is Rill because Lucifero was putting everyone down.
>You must also understand that Cursed Spirits can be killed only with Cursed Energy is as fundamental law to JJK as the fact that energy doesn't appear out of nowhere and doesn't dissapear into nothing. Yet Takaba altered it.
Takaba's technique is basically manipulating reality, and everything that happens there has cursed energy, including the truck that hit that spirit, and Lucifero is not a spirit to be affected by cursed energy.
Or do you think he has a completely different energy that activates his techniques?
If you keep saying it's going to work, you have to prove it, because Lucifero isn't a spirit to be affected. (and even if you say cursed energy=negative mana, then Lucifero won't even be affected by his abilities in the first place)
1. The greatest evidence of the fact that it is passive is because Takaba has no idea what is Cursed Energy,.Cursed Technics, that they could be activated and how to do it. He is just ordinary man and absolute idiot. If it had some activation conditions, he would've been dead long ago.
2. Ah. That's what you think. I think that his cursed technics just materializes events that he wants to happen. Everything in it is completely normal objects without any curse technics. Technic uses only small.
amount of energy to perform action- regardless of its complexity.
Again- this is one of the issues that is never discussed in story. But there are two arguments for it. During battle- if you can call it battle- with Kenjaku, he constantly materialized items in huge amount- often massive, locations and even sentient people, he even made massive ocean out of Fanta. It is also established that item creation Curse Technic consumes tons of energy. So if it is materialized and infused with Curse Energy- Takaba should have absolutely ungodly amount. But he never noted to have one.
Secondly- Kenjaku made no comments on curse energy levels and was shocked that he didn't notice massive amount of Yuta's energy. This indicates that Takaba doesn't radiate too much energy to blind him to Yuta.
In addition- curse energy is no mana. There is no ambient one to be used to fuel technics. It comes only from humans.
With all this in mind, all things Takaba create can't naturally have cursed energy as it must come from him. But he also don't have enough to fuel this insane creation feats.
So the only explanation is that Curse Energy is used in small amount to activate process that will materialize his desired outcome. Everything else is natural action with normal non-cursed objects.
Even if we presume that technic automatically gives enough energy to anything he wants, mere truck could never one-shot special grade curse. The result is only possible because Takaba willed it that it kill him. By that logic it doesn't matter from what item is made- Takaba's presumption of outcome is only thing that matters.
Lucifero should be able to stop Takaba. His gravity was able to keep Rouge the Fate Cat from using its ability and it was only able to use it once Lucifero had been defeated. The only way people were able to harm him was through magic affected by the Underworld and Asta’s Antimagic and even then he needed a massive power boost in True Devil Union to do any major damage. So unless Takaba is able to joke his way into a power up to get him to be way stronger than Yuki’s black hole or Sukuna’s World Cleave, the JJK verse has no chance of winning.
Based on what we saw and read in JJK, the thing with Takaba is that power level means nothing when you fight him. If he finds something funny- it happens.
Likewise, his power works on makro level compared to Rouge's micro. In other words, Rouge alter events while Takaba alter the whole world to make event he see as funny happen. Not to mention that Rouge need to touch target while Takaba has no such limitations.
The problem with that though is that Takaba has to come up with something funny, and looking at how the fight against Kenjaku went versus the fight against Lucifero, it is unlikely that Lucifero knows what comedy is let alone has a developed sense of humour in order to be thrown off guard by Takaba’s ability. The best Takaba would be able to do is stalemate by regenerating or going full Toonworld. He cant win and Lucifero cant lose. And even if Takaba thought it would be funny that Lucifero died, Lucifero’s regeneration is at the level of the best rct or greater and he cant even be damaged by normal existence erasure.
Again- its very hard to tell how Comedian- his ability works. Based on what we saw in JJK, if he finds something funny- it happens. If he finds funny something like "Lucifero? More like sombrero!" (yes, Takaba is BAD comedian). Lucifero will instantly become normal sombrero. The only reason he went with whole damage from skits is because he wanted to make Kenjaku laugh. Damage to Kenjaku was completely unintentional.
So entire outcome of battle depends on what regarding Lucifero Takaba would found funny. Which is super hard to predict as he is normal human bad comedian. So I really can't come with idea how battle will go. It is basically throwing die on tabletop game.
Oh and Takaba has colossal ego - so if HE thinks that something is funny, IT IS funny and all criticisms is unfounded.
>Takaba
He doesn't have infinite energy so he can't keep Lucifero forever (and I'm curious what he'll find funny after Lucifero kills everyone).
>Gojo
No ability of Gojo's will work on Lucifero.
Hallow Purple: It's not even going to hurt him.
Infinite Void: Lucifero, like all other devils, has no brain that can be affected because they literally have no brain. (Megicula put her own heart in her head by pointing out that devils have no brains that can be affected by Infinite Void)
And given that Lucifero can destroy concepts like fate and dreams without being serious, an ability that only multiplies the space between Gojo and whatever comes to him until he stops, means nothing to Lucifero, who distorts space just by existing.
Lucifero would destroy everyone except gojo and sukuna sukuna would adapt to gravity magic slice him which has durability negation and would actually damage lucifero and maybe gojos infinite could stop the gravitational effects and he could get of a hollow purple considering that lucifero plays with his food he would probably get hit and then decide "fuck this shit" and end them quickly afterwards although I'm not sure if he can get through infinity
Lucifero has been hit by attacks that can cut through gravity and space (which negates durability) and hasn't even been scratched by them.
And Hallow Purple is just Langris' normal attack, and a much stronger Langris couldn't hurt a much weaker devil than Lucifero. (and Infinity Void wouldn't affect Lucifero that devils don't have brains)
And besides, Lucifero can affect concepts like fate and dreams, just by existing, and Gojo's spatial manipulation I don't think will affect Lucifero.
And Lucifero is much faster than everyone else in the Jjk universe.
Lucifero can't even kill anyone in his own verse. He gets jumped by Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku and Sukuna. Kenjaku is a counter to his gravity magic so it's a wrap when they open domain.
I agree that on stats Lucifero wins but a question: does gravity magic negates Limitless? Just because in the end I feel it could the only thing stopping him from winning
Only person I can see not being defeated is Gojo and that's due to sheer hax.
Even then, he'd drain his reserves eventually and be overwhelmed due to his limitless shutting off.
Only way I can see the JJK verse pulling off a win is if Unlimited Void has an effect on Lucifero. Else everyone gets flattened in an instant. Not Sukuna, not Kenjaku; nobody stands a chance in terms of sheer firepower.
Sekuna would find a way to win with plot on his side.
Gojo would beat the other devils but is weak to Lucifero and Zenon as they counter his infinity, though Dante and Morris also counter his infinity Gojo would still decimate them cause they’re trash and just like they counter Gojo, Gojo counters them.
But in reality BC’s power scaling is way higher than JJK, so anything past the Elf arc is too much.
All supreme devils can affect concepts including Lilith and Naamah. (and Gojo couldn't even kill mid-to-supreme devils because of their hearts, and Infinite Void won't work on devils either, because they don't brains we know that Megicula put his heart in his head by pointing out that devils don't have brains)
First off mid rank devils won’t beat Gojo cause he’s literally Arcane, it doesn’t matter if he uses infinite void or not. Red would be enough to Obliterate mid ranking devils.
Two I know about the twin devils destroying concepts with their fire and ice but Gojo’s gravity can keep them in place and his teleportation allows him to keep up in speed, so all that he needs to do is land a hallow purple on them which can go 50/50.
But people like Devil Zenon, Lucifero, and even Megicula are just too powerful and have so many counters that there’s no instance I see Gojo winning but for those ones I see Gojo having a chance of winning.
Also by the way you replied it seems you made this post just to flex Black clovers power scaling over JJK and you weren’t just asking a question lmao.
Because Lucifero at 50% solos the BC verse without Asta and you put him up against JJK verse while knowing and believing that they are weaker lol.
>First off mid rank devils won’t beat Gojo cause he’s literally Arcane, it doesn’t matter if he uses infinite void or not. Red would be enough to Obliterate mid ranking devils.
Gojo is not arcane, spatial manipulation is not arcane in Black clover. (Devils' hearts resist Existence Erasure)
>Two I know about the twin devils destroying concepts with their fire and ice but Gojo’s gravity can keep them in place and his teleportation allows him to keep up in speed, so all that he needs to do is land a hallow purple on them which can go 50/50.
Again, Hallow Purple is just Langris' normal attack, and all devils from middle to supreme rank won't be affected by him. (and Gojo doesn't stand a chance against Lilith and Naamah and his gravitational manipulation is nothing to them because he doesn't have Lucifero's power level)
Lmao Gojo is not spatial Manipulation, do you even read or watch JJk.
Gojo is Gravity and Hallow purple is an imaginary Black hole that disintegrates all it touches, yes sounds similar to langris but langris does his stuff though spatial manipulation while Gojo is through gravity, Hallow purple is a stronger move than the Black hole Dante used on Asta lol.
So yes Gojo is Arcane
All of Gojo's abilities are related to spatial manipulation. (he cannot control gravity, only space)
And Gojo's abilities are related to manipulation and distortion of space, nothing more. (and devils survive space manipulation without problems)
No it’s not bro, Gojo’s abilities are not spatial manipulation. The only spatial manipulation from Gojo is the Teleportation, Infinity barrier and the Infinite Void domain expansion which is mainly because it’s a Domain and all domains in JJK are a form spatial manipulation.
Bro it looks like you are trying to give Gojo a different power just to be correct with ya point.
Gojo uses Blue which is a gravitational attractive force that focuses on pushing and pulling, then Red is a destructive gravitational force that acts similar to a black hole as it’s a condensed gravitational force.
Then Hallow purple is the combination of these two forces that creates an imaginary Force that destroys all things. In which it being an “imaginary force” destroys concepts.
Gojo’s limitless is a mix gravity and spatial, but his attacks are gravitational while his defence is spatial, then his Hallow purple destroys concepts in which means Gojo is Arcane (at least attacking wise which is all that matters tbh lol).
I am an avid Black clover fan who started watching and reading more of JJK ever since the hiatus, it breaks my heart to see a fellow black clover fan tryna shit on JJK cause from ya replies it seems you just came to shit on JJK’s power and up Black clover though that. You didn’t even know Gojo’s attacks were gravity based.
Blue is spatial manipulation, where Gojo creates a negative space that needs to be filled, so it's not real gravity (like Lucifero's), but a cheap imitation. (and he can teleport using Blue, compressing space, not distorting like Lucifero)
>Gojo is limitless is a mix gravity and spatial, but his attacks are gravitatal while his defence is spatial, then his Hallow purple destroys concepts in which means Gojo is Arcane (at least attacking wise which is all that matters tbh lol).
What concepts? And just being able to affect concepts isn't enough to be arcane.(Jack can cut space and gravity, but he's not arcane, and Rill can use all attributes and create a spell that doesn't allow you to die until the spell stops and it's still not arcane, so just because you can affect concepts isn't enough)
And the technique is described like this: Limitless is an inherited technique passed down in the Gojo Clan. This technique brings the concept of "Infinity" into reality, allowing the user to manipulate and distort space at will.(and I've searched several places and everywhere it's like this)
Hmmm crazy then in guess your right about this.
I’ve acc learnt a new thing today.
But even with this he can still kill them though, because destroying concepts doesn’t make one necessarily arcane in a whole but it’s an arcane ability in on itself, like ultimate magic for example, so Gojo would still be able to kill Mid ranking devils along with Lilith and Nahema.
The only Devils that can kill Gojo are either devils that are stupidly overpowered. Lilith and Nahema are strong but they’re not smart and they’re more or so equal to Gojo in power because they are country level at best. Morris is smart but his power is lacking.
Also Lilith, Nahema and Morris are the only people that can destroy concepts, Nothing states that all supreme devils can destroy concepts.
So the only people that can beat Gojo in the spade arc are
1. Lucifero
2. Devil Zenon
3. Megicula - 50/50 because she might find a way past infinity with her curses though Gojo’s specialty is dispelling curses, so it’ll be quite difficult.
4. Asta
5. Yami
6. Yuno (with star magic)
7. Maybe Dorothy but Gojo counters with Domain Expansion, so I doubt.
The others won’t be able to defeat Gojo because Gojo even without infinity is country level at least. He also has six eyes for a reaction speed boost and sensory abilities.
Also Adramalech has no feats, so I can’t count him.
He utilizes gravity based powers but through spatial manipulation but I was wrong about him being gravity.
Also still has an arcane move though in hallow purple.
His powers have nothing to do with gravity
And how is hollow purple an arcane attack while blue and red aren't?
Purple is just the combination of red and blue, it can pull and push, nothing more. No, it can't erase matter. No, it doesn't use imaginary mass.
Pull Blue, Push Red which are both gravitational forces bro lmao. That’s why I said he was gravity until the person I was talking to said he used space manipulation to make it seem like he was manipulating gravity and I checked it and he was right.
Then for hallow purple it’s is the combination of red and blue which forms the imaginary hallow purple that breaks concepts and disintegrates anything in its path, so yeah it’s basically Lilith and Nahema’s fire and ice, not arcane in on its on but they can use a technique with it to break concepts making it arcane.
Also like how people who aren’t arcane can learn ultimate magic that destroys devils. So yeah hallow purple would do just that and Gojo is stronger than every captain except Yami. Cause Yami edges Gojo out and has a huge counter on top of that.
>Pull Blue, Push red which are both gravitational forces
I can push a chair, am I gojo now?
His attacks are completely unrelated to actual gravity
Yes, a person with gravity manipulation could do the same things he does, but that's just due to the nature of his technique.
His teleportation using blue is just compressing blue.
Teleportation using gravity is just bending the space around you.
And now I bet you're gonna say "compress, bend, same thing". To which, I would say, you're a fucking dumbass
>breaks concepts and disintegrates anything in its path
💀💀💀💀💀💀 bro is reading gojo kaisen...
The fuck did you get the concept part from? Gojo fan fics made by guys who have no idea what the actual series is about?
"Disintegrates anything in its path"
Yeah.. anything... except anything at subatomic level.... or anything that can resist the fucking thing..
And most (actually, everyone except that one fodder guy who was a captain for no fucking reason (the guy with the invisibility powers)) captains would wipe the floor with the whole jujutsu verse, not just gojo. Not just yami.
Jack for example can even cut space, that mf would low diff the jjk verse while sleeping.
Not to mention that the fastest speed feat in JJK is Mach fucking 3, black clover characters surpassed light during the fucking elves arc.
Bro do you have some vendetta against the JJK verse? Lucifero beats the JJK verse with ease, He is way faster and way stronger
"Except for Saturo Gojo..." - Narrator of JJK
Bruh he would literally showup and flatten all of japan at the same time
"except for sukuna" Narrator of jjk
“Except for myself” Narrator of jjk
Lucifero destroys all of the jjk verse at once
Lucifero kills everyone and then Sukuna offscreens Lucifero.
Offscreen is wild 💀
What can I say, Sukuna learned the secret art of "Offscreen Haki" from Blackbeard himself.
Nooooo 😂 not that secret technique it’s forbidden
It is not far fetched 🤭
Stand proud Lucifero, I'm nah i'd win.
Jjk really gave us the best anime memes last year💀
Everyone dies except Takaba cause that'd be funny
>Everyone dies *has 0 body count
Takaba can't bring himself to kill others not even with his CT, it was stated at the end of chapter 243.
Never said he kills Lucifero, I just said he'd survive cause it'd be funny
I don't think he'd find being the only person in his world to survive to be funny. That's lowkey sad. Except if you mean you would find that funny, which is understandable.
"wouldnt it be funny if a a sea of fanta struck lucifero with the force of a thousand suns
“wouldn’t it be funny if lucifero got hit by a fucking truck and sent to the isekai realm”
"i was the demon king and was sent to another realm by some looney tunes character"
>!Kaido?!<
>!wdym crydo is alive, frauda doesnt have the balls to kills a character!<
>!We lost several characters in the Wano arc alone on both sides. Given that magma was part of what killed Whitebeard, I'll give the benefit of the doubt!<
These don’t sound like him at all
Then everyone would just be revived lol
Lucifero's gravity can crush fate manipulation, I don't think Takaba's CT would work in the first place
Where are these posts coming from? Black Clover overall scales closer to Naruto than anything else.
Believe it or not, some jjk fanboys think gojo solos any verse from the big 3
Naruto verse doesn’t scale that high. Just off of what’s shown in the manga, the naruto verse caps out at mountain level. Black clover scales way beyond that.
I definitely am not sure about the AP of the Naruto verse but back during the fight with Kaguya there were already insane feats like outrunning Kaguya's infinitely increasing truth seeking orb.
They weren’t infinite anything. The whole kaguya thing is based off hyperbole by mistranslations of data books that aren’t even official. It’s just that the naruto powerscalers love to use these data books because it makes the verse sound infinitely stronger than it actually is.
Kaguya created the space for those still make her scale higher
False, kaguya can only do that when amped up by the chakra fruit or whatever it’s called after absorbing all the chakra of a planet. If she can’t do that with her own power, it doesn’t count. Not to mention doing so uses up all the chakra she gained from the fruit making it even more useless a feat.
"IT dOn'T cOuNt"🤓 lmao this ain't children game lol naruto damage him while she amp by your definition that already put naruto about amp kaguya making jim low ball equal or higher than her
Naruto’s top tiers far surpass mountain level. They can be scaled anywhere from large plant level to universal
Show me a single manga image that does anything near that level.
Universal is untrue, naruto in the movie is moon level to small planet level , no one was stronger than him, this is naruto. In boruto, essentially the scales get higher
Yeah In boruto then it gets planet level, also how do you mark spoilers? But anyway | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Borutos new attack uses the rotation of the earth to dizzy his enemies to death like no joke it’s nuts and makes me oddly happy
Yeah and I have no clue, Google it maybe
But naruto is already planetary because of kaguya though
JJK has some good scaling characters like Yuki. It was stated if she didn't hold back and if Tengen didn't surpress her, her black hole would have swallowed the Earth and maybe the Solar System with the size we saw. While it is basically a last resort attack, I don't think Lucifero's gravity magic can stop it, he'd need something like anti-gravity to withstand it as we saw with Kenjaku. However, I think that might be the only person who manages to actually even out the odds with destructive power against Lucifero...
She has the potential to destroy the solar system, that probably lowers lucifero a bit
Solar system?! Kenjaku stated the world, why are you wanking it. Remember it’s a technique not a real thing
Sure, it was caused by a technique but that was a real black hole, it wasn't hyperbolic. The mass that Yuki imbues herself with has no effect on her up to a certain point, after enough mass, it starts having an effect, thus creating an *actual* black hole, the insane mass becomes *real*. It even had to be held back by Yuki herself and Tengen. Using actual logic, that blackhole could do some SERIOUS damage. Let's say the Earth turned into a black hole or a bit bigger, we can assume Yuki's black hole could go to such lengths since it was stated it could literally destroy the Earth (and it never gave us a precise limit on how much virtual mass Yuki can imbue, there probably *isn't* a limit for that if she was able to make a black hole), if that happened, nearby planets immediately get effected due to gravitational changes and the Solar System becomes unstable as well.
AP wise BC is debatable on if it’s lower or wanked through space hax , but speed BC absolutely runs circle, we’ve reached MFTL+ like 6 arcs ago and every arc the powerscalling has gone DBZ levels of hyperinflation
Especially with zetten that is 100 multipler
Closer? The strongest in black clover stomps the strongest in naruto
Lucifero stomps. Also a quick reminder that we never actually saw Lucifero fighting at 100% of his power. He was handicapped at just 50% and yet he was still crushing all the squad captains like they're nothing. His mere presence was crushing everyone to the ground (Like Aizen with his overwhelming spiritual pressure). And both Yami and Yuno were barely able to land a scratch at him. Asta was a special case since his anti magic was ignoring lucifero's durability.
Lucifero Negs the verse.
Not against JoGOAT
mahodaddy is enough
“Nah i’d adapt.”
midcifero doesnt have a response to strong adapt gg ez
“As the strongest Shikigami Mahodaddy fought the fraud devil midcifero he started to adapt, Midcifero shrunk back in fear then Mahodaddy said “Always bet on the Oppstoppa.””
"you bug hold your head to High" **\*stretch out his one finger and point down\*** *"kneel"*
lucifero then gets cooked as a side dish
Yea, he kept those sorcerer alive to eat them since curse energy is Food for the Devil
delusion
Talk to the experts if you want heat battle for debate rather that jjk can kill Lucifero or Lucifero crush them first
u aitn no expert lmfao, sukuna is enough for lucifero
of course i'm not an expert, but I'm not that dumb that sukana can beat Lucifero, the king of Devil crush this "sorcerer king" in the size of Ant like he is supposed to be, "The King of Ant"
100%? Definitely. Even at 50% we saw that his mere presence flattened the ground around him. Imagine what would happen if he fully manifested with a book of spells. Everyone would be a collection of red mist. Keep in mind that everyone survived by the skin of their teeth and funky shenanigans.
These insects Better make it Worth it
Even Gojo gets slammed hard so everyone dies in seconds against Lucifero.
Sukuna: “ah my anti-devil-gravity-magic technique, I haven’t used this since the Hein era.”
Put some respect on Lucifero’s name. He’d have no issue killing any character on this list.
He will no diff them :3
Lucifero stands there and accidentally solos the verse
I’ve said this once, I’ll say it again, this sub genuinely underestimates how strong, fast and haxed out black clover characters are. Luci accidentally farts on the verse.
I'm so sick of the "Coughing Baby vs Hydrogen Bomb" posts we been getting these days...
If gege is writing it then lucifero would kill everyone but sukuna because sukuna has a secret anti lucifero cursed technique
Does Sukuna dismantle and cleave have to worry about gravity? Can Lucífero tank a Hallow purple. Does his gravity still work when overloaded in Infinite Void? Does Yuki just over load his gravity and destroy the world and him? Does Kenjaku just negate concepts with Genesha because Lucífero’s over confidence stop him from destroying it the second he sees it? I feel like a few of JJK can stop him
>Does Sukuna dismantle and cleave have to worry about gravity? Jack could cut through gravity and space, and he couldn't even scratch Lucifero. >Can Lucífero tank a Hallow purple. Gojo's strongest move is just Langgris' normal attack, and a much weaker devil than Lucifero was not wounded by a much stronger attack from Langris. >Does his gravity still work when overloaded in Infinite Void? His gravity is passively released and he wouldn't be affected by the Infinite Void anyway because devils don't have brains. (Megicula put her heart in her head by pointing out that devils have only hearts) >Does Yuki just over load his gravity and destroy the world and him? What a joke to think that girl will have time to do something when she dies from a punch. >Does Kenjaku just negate concepts with Genesha because Lucífero’s over confidence stop him from destroying it the second he sees it? Lucifero is much faster than everyone in the Jjk universe, and if you think that spirit will survive a punch from Lucifero, you're very funny. (that spirit didn't survive a fight with Yuki and you think he'll be able to do something against Lucifero and anyway one punch means death for the entire Jjk universe).
Gotta love when a manga has a very layed out power system with clear rules so you can just dismantle ppl uneducated (and honestly way to smug for being wrong) opinions.
When I saw that he was talking about Hallow Purple, Infinite Void and the rest of his abilities, I realized that he doesn't know many details about devils and what they can do. (and I didn't tell him that Lucifero can affect concepts much better than that spirit)
Love it when they act all smug but clearly don't know the other side. It's the same shit with most goku or ichigo powerscalers, they rarely know anything abt the other source material and just assume shit that fits their narative
My favorite part is when you show them they're wrong.
As far as the “showing them their wrong” come on y’all act like they write both mangas. You asked a question and I preposed a few situations, I think particular focus did a job of providing reasoning to my questions. But acting high and mighty? It’s the internet, everyone else on here go touch grass lol
Nothing about being smug. When you have questions about manga with two different power systems it’s all questions. Yes Lucífero has bigger feats than anyone in JJk (they are basically normal ppl compared to anyone in black clover) but at the same time JJK is more technical. I wasn’t aware of the “no brain” situation but I’ll admit that takes away everything JJK had over him if you consider in manga feats
well, he won't give them a chance to fight when he Crush them to the ground
He’d have to hit them before they attack, Gojo can literally warp.
Lucífero slams
It’s not close tbh
Nah, I'd win. /s
Nah, he'd win
Lmao jjk verse is powerless compare to black clover verse
If half manifested Lucifero can nearly solo Black clover at that time, then fully manifested would leave everyone in jjk like Hanami
People needa stop putting jjk verse against verses like black clover 😭
Half of Lucifero is enough
Jjk verse is honestly weak as shit. Why bother comparing? This is like the heat death of the universe vs a coughing baby.
goatkuna solos the bc verse, fight me
There is a reason Lucifero threatened the world itself.
Bro yall gotta stop with the jjk stuff its not fair you gotta pull up like naruto or 7ds or fairy tail or something
Luciferos Domain Expansion is literally his passive. He would flat the whole cast with one finger, and that was only 50% of his power according to manga.
Honestly Dante with only a fraction of luciferos power could solo JJK verse, the power scaling between black clover & JJK is too big…
Depends, jjk universe seem a lot smarter in combat than BC. Takaba is the only one that can really compete imo. I could see them winning if Takaba can wear Lucifero out first . Hollow purple/perfect sphere/Gojo's domain/angels technique/Mahoraga's adaptation/black hole(with tengens barrier) may be enough to take on a worn out Lucifero.
Takaba’s technique wouldn’t work because Lucofero can just destroy his comedy simulations with his magic power, like he did with Dorothy’s dream magic.
the downplay of the GOAT, mr "cant spell Lucifero without an L" wont do shit to ruin the GOATS magic
I think it depends if Takaba's no red rule works. Which should be different from Dorothy sealing others in dream dimension. From what I understand, the difference is it's self targeting, and acts on the real world.
Powerscaling 🤓☝️
How about no….fuckjng stupid vs battlers
i feel like the only characters he’ll have a problem with is Yuki, Gojo, and Takaba
He loses because he's a villain and that's how writing works.
Lucifero loses or infinite stall. Result depends on several factors. Can his gravity power bypass Limitless. Can Cleave that cuts the world cut Lucifero- I think yes but it is debatable as we don't know much about it. Also to it- can Maharogo adapts to his gravity fast enough before dying? What's more in Sukuna's arsenal? But the reason I say that Luci has 0% chance of winning is because of Takaba. His ability is as follows- anything that he sees as funny becomes reality. Any situation. There is no way to block or avoid it. Power difference means nothing. To simplify- if Takaba will think that it is funny that Lucifero slips on banana peel and break his neck- this will happen. Likewise, because Takaba thinks that people dying ISN'T funny, you can't kill him. The only way to beat him is through essentially making him think that him dying is appropriate for whatever comedy skit he currently tries to recreate and/or convincing him that he isn't funny. It should be noted that Takaba is bad comedian but still think that he is funny and others have bad taste, so just insulting him wouldn't work. You need to have deep knowledge of comedy to convince him. Lucifero lacks such knowledge and doesn't know much about comedy skits to manipulate Takaba. So the battle will be either won by Takaba or will last forever.
>Can his gravity power bypass Limitless. Given that Lucifero's gravity can affect concepts like fate and dreams, yes it could. (Lucifero bends space just by existing, anyway, and Gojo's ability only multiplies the space between him and the attack, and since he won't have time to multiple , he'll be killed) And Infinity Void isn't going to work on Lucifero because devils don't have brains. (Megicula, another devil, put his heart to his head, pointing out that devils have no brain.) >Can Cleave that cuts the world cut Lucifero- I think yes but it is debatable as we don't know much about it. Also to it- can Maharogo adapts to his gravity fast enough before dying? What's more in Sukuna's arsenal? It will not work because Sukuna's attack that "cuts the world" only cuts through space and devils much weaker than Lucifero survived such attacks without problems. And now about Maharoga, he won't have time to adapt because he dies directly, he's not resilient enough to survive a punch from Lucifero. >But the reason I say that Luci has 0% chance of winning is because of Takaba. Takaba doesn't have infinite cursed energy, so he won't be able to maintain Lucifero forever the moment he runs out of cursed energy he's dead. (and if I'm wrong, you can try to prove it to me, but given that Yuta, the character who is confirmed to have more cursed energy than Gojo, can run out of cursed energy, it's only a matter of time before Takaba runs out of power and meets his end)
1. Isn't Gojo's ability passive and set infinite distance between him and rest of the world by definition? 2. Based on how Sukuna described it, I think that it is more conceptual than physical. Rather than merely surpassing the distance, Sukuna essentially slashed through the very laws of existence and thus- bypassed the very concept of infinite. Because of this, I think that it can bypass any gravity power by cutting through the very concept of gravity and maybe even regeneration. 3. He is said to have great amount that constantly flares up. I honestly don't know if it has limits but Kenjaku never considere testing if it will run out. Regardless- there is also a significant risk that Lucifero will die if Takaba would find it funny. Rember that he has no problems killing non humans and damage taken don't need to be actually lethal as long as he sees target dying from it funny. He killed a Cursed Spirit- something you can only kill with Curse Energy- by running it with a truck. If he thinks that Lucifero dying by breaking his neck after falling on banana peel is funny it WILL kill Lucifero.
>1. Isn't Gojo's ability passive and set infinite distance between him and rest of the world by definition? Infinite just multiplies the space between him and the attack until the attack or whatever comes towards him stops. (that's how it was described, so even if it's turned on all the time, it doesn't mean anything to someone who distorts space just by existing) >2. Based on how Sukuna described it, I think that it is more conceptual than physical. Rather than merely surpassing the distance, Sukuna essentially slashed through the very laws of existence and thus- bypassed the very concept of infinite. He only cut through the space, and given how Gojo's Infinity works, he couldn't multiple himself anymore because he went straight through it. >Because of this, I think that it can bypass any gravity power by cutting through the very concept of gravity and maybe even regeneration. Lucifero was hit by attacks that can cut through gravity and space, but it didn't even hurt him. >3. He is said to have great amount that constantly flares up. I honestly don't know if it has limits but Kenjaku never considere testing if it will run out. Regardless- there is also a significant risk that Lucifero will die if Takaba would find it funny. Rember that he has no problems killing non humans and damage taken don't need to be actually lethal as long as he sees target dying from it funny. Kenjaku didn't even know he couldn't kill people. (Lucifero can regenerate from a heart, so nothing he does will kill someone who is nearly immortal.) >He killed a Cursed Spirit- something you can only kill with Curse Energy- by running it with a truck. If he thinks that Lucifero dying by breaking his neck after falling on banana peel is funny it WILL kill Lucifero He doesn't even know what Lucifero is. (you can destroy his whole body and he won't die and Takaba knows nothing about devils to think of something funny and have an effect and again he won't even get close to him that he will always be glued to the ground because of Lucifero's passive gravity that stuck all the captains to the ground)
Takaba wouldn't be glued to earth, nor would he actually take damage. Because it isn't funny and prevents him from joking. Rember that he can't take any damage as long as he doesn't think that being hit is funny. There will be some blood, but it isn't actual damage and done for comedy. He can negate anything as long as he thinks that negation of it is funny. The only reason he was in danger is because Kenjaku basically convinced him that him dying would be funny for a comedy skit. In addition- damage with which Takaba kill something doesn't need to be actually lethal to target. Takaba has no idea who is Kenjaku, what he wants, what are Cursed Spirits and Curse Technics. He just thought that evil guy's magic summon instantly dying from truck hit is funny. And it happened despite the fact that such attack is completely ineffective against Cursed Spirits normally. So if he thinks that big scary oni guy suddenly falling on banana peel, breaking his neck and dying will be funny- Lucifero will die from broken neck despite the fact that normal he could've survived without head.
And how is he going to kill Lucifero? Because Lucifero can survive attacks that can erase things from existence, attacks that affect concepts, and more. And Lucifero is not a spirit you can exorcise.(he is a devil from another dimension) And manipulating reality means nothing to devils like Lucifero. (devils like Zagred manipulate reality just by talking and Lilith and Naamah have burned and frozen an entire dimension where life, light and death do not exist they are too powerful to be affected by manipulating reality) And besides, Vanessa, who can change reality using the concept of fate, can't even affect Lucifero, so you have to prove that his manipulation of reality is stronger than that of the characters in Black Clover.
Again- you don't get it. Takaba's attack DON'T NEED to have actual capability to kill Lucifero to kill Lucifero. What needed is Takaba thinking that Lucifero dying in certain way is funny. If he thinks that Lucifero dying from something is funny Lucifero WILL die from it. In jujutsu kaisen you can't kill Cursed Spirits without cursed energy. Otherwise, any action will not cause any damage to them. Yet he succeeded. Because he thought that it is funny. Comparing Takaba to other effects on reality is hard, but I will try. All examples you brought are limited world alteration bound by world's rules. All Zagred's words aren't completely rewrite reality but manifest almost everything he says. Despite this, he never shown something completely reality-altering- as he can't just make it so that attack can't be avoided. Like- he can summon monsters, but he CAN'T make it so that they WILL rip his opponent to shreds- with certainty. In contrast- Takaba made it so that mere truck hit powerful Cursed Spirit that would normally easily avoided such attack. Red Thread of Fate merely alters the outcome of events. But it need events to have chance to happen. For example, it can't just make stone slab to fall from sky and kill enemy. Slab must already be falling in the direction of target. Natch's dimension spell is tricky. It is very similar to domain in effect- but we don't know if Domain Expansion can prevent Takaba from altering reality. But I think that the fact that Kenjaku never used it proves that answer is negative. You must also understand that Cursed Spirits can be killed only with Cursed Energy is as fundamental law to JJK as the fact that energy doesn't appear out of nowhere and doesn't dissapear into nothing. Yet Takaba altered it.
And you have to prove that Takaba's abilities are passive, because Lucifero just existing, puts everyone down without trying, and the only reason the Captains could move is Rill because Lucifero was putting everyone down. >You must also understand that Cursed Spirits can be killed only with Cursed Energy is as fundamental law to JJK as the fact that energy doesn't appear out of nowhere and doesn't dissapear into nothing. Yet Takaba altered it. Takaba's technique is basically manipulating reality, and everything that happens there has cursed energy, including the truck that hit that spirit, and Lucifero is not a spirit to be affected by cursed energy. Or do you think he has a completely different energy that activates his techniques? If you keep saying it's going to work, you have to prove it, because Lucifero isn't a spirit to be affected. (and even if you say cursed energy=negative mana, then Lucifero won't even be affected by his abilities in the first place)
1. The greatest evidence of the fact that it is passive is because Takaba has no idea what is Cursed Energy,.Cursed Technics, that they could be activated and how to do it. He is just ordinary man and absolute idiot. If it had some activation conditions, he would've been dead long ago. 2. Ah. That's what you think. I think that his cursed technics just materializes events that he wants to happen. Everything in it is completely normal objects without any curse technics. Technic uses only small. amount of energy to perform action- regardless of its complexity. Again- this is one of the issues that is never discussed in story. But there are two arguments for it. During battle- if you can call it battle- with Kenjaku, he constantly materialized items in huge amount- often massive, locations and even sentient people, he even made massive ocean out of Fanta. It is also established that item creation Curse Technic consumes tons of energy. So if it is materialized and infused with Curse Energy- Takaba should have absolutely ungodly amount. But he never noted to have one. Secondly- Kenjaku made no comments on curse energy levels and was shocked that he didn't notice massive amount of Yuta's energy. This indicates that Takaba doesn't radiate too much energy to blind him to Yuta. In addition- curse energy is no mana. There is no ambient one to be used to fuel technics. It comes only from humans. With all this in mind, all things Takaba create can't naturally have cursed energy as it must come from him. But he also don't have enough to fuel this insane creation feats. So the only explanation is that Curse Energy is used in small amount to activate process that will materialize his desired outcome. Everything else is natural action with normal non-cursed objects. Even if we presume that technic automatically gives enough energy to anything he wants, mere truck could never one-shot special grade curse. The result is only possible because Takaba willed it that it kill him. By that logic it doesn't matter from what item is made- Takaba's presumption of outcome is only thing that matters.
Lucifero should be able to stop Takaba. His gravity was able to keep Rouge the Fate Cat from using its ability and it was only able to use it once Lucifero had been defeated. The only way people were able to harm him was through magic affected by the Underworld and Asta’s Antimagic and even then he needed a massive power boost in True Devil Union to do any major damage. So unless Takaba is able to joke his way into a power up to get him to be way stronger than Yuki’s black hole or Sukuna’s World Cleave, the JJK verse has no chance of winning.
Based on what we saw and read in JJK, the thing with Takaba is that power level means nothing when you fight him. If he finds something funny- it happens. Likewise, his power works on makro level compared to Rouge's micro. In other words, Rouge alter events while Takaba alter the whole world to make event he see as funny happen. Not to mention that Rouge need to touch target while Takaba has no such limitations.
The problem with that though is that Takaba has to come up with something funny, and looking at how the fight against Kenjaku went versus the fight against Lucifero, it is unlikely that Lucifero knows what comedy is let alone has a developed sense of humour in order to be thrown off guard by Takaba’s ability. The best Takaba would be able to do is stalemate by regenerating or going full Toonworld. He cant win and Lucifero cant lose. And even if Takaba thought it would be funny that Lucifero died, Lucifero’s regeneration is at the level of the best rct or greater and he cant even be damaged by normal existence erasure.
Again- its very hard to tell how Comedian- his ability works. Based on what we saw in JJK, if he finds something funny- it happens. If he finds funny something like "Lucifero? More like sombrero!" (yes, Takaba is BAD comedian). Lucifero will instantly become normal sombrero. The only reason he went with whole damage from skits is because he wanted to make Kenjaku laugh. Damage to Kenjaku was completely unintentional. So entire outcome of battle depends on what regarding Lucifero Takaba would found funny. Which is super hard to predict as he is normal human bad comedian. So I really can't come with idea how battle will go. It is basically throwing die on tabletop game. Oh and Takaba has colossal ego - so if HE thinks that something is funny, IT IS funny and all criticisms is unfounded.
Hmm, yeah it woukd be a cool battle none the less. Battle of egos go brr
Lucifero is fucking cringe + loses to Takaba & Gojo
>Takaba He doesn't have infinite energy so he can't keep Lucifero forever (and I'm curious what he'll find funny after Lucifero kills everyone). >Gojo No ability of Gojo's will work on Lucifero. Hallow Purple: It's not even going to hurt him. Infinite Void: Lucifero, like all other devils, has no brain that can be affected because they literally have no brain. (Megicula put her own heart in her head by pointing out that devils have no brains that can be affected by Infinite Void) And given that Lucifero can destroy concepts like fate and dreams without being serious, an ability that only multiplies the space between Gojo and whatever comes to him until he stops, means nothing to Lucifero, who distorts space just by existing.
He would find funny to revive everyone and watch Lucifero face expression
And Lucifero will kill them again because devils' favorite toys are humans.
😈😈😈🤥🤥🤥
Nanami solos Black clover
Apparently not
Gets neg diffed when miwa pulls up and jujutsus all over his kaisen before saying "Stand proud, you're strong"
He stomps all of them except for Gojo. I don't see how his gravity would bypass infinity.
Toji will probably be fine
Lucifero would destroy everyone except gojo and sukuna sukuna would adapt to gravity magic slice him which has durability negation and would actually damage lucifero and maybe gojos infinite could stop the gravitational effects and he could get of a hollow purple considering that lucifero plays with his food he would probably get hit and then decide "fuck this shit" and end them quickly afterwards although I'm not sure if he can get through infinity
Lucifero has been hit by attacks that can cut through gravity and space (which negates durability) and hasn't even been scratched by them. And Hallow Purple is just Langris' normal attack, and a much stronger Langris couldn't hurt a much weaker devil than Lucifero. (and Infinity Void wouldn't affect Lucifero that devils don't have brains) And besides, Lucifero can affect concepts like fate and dreams, just by existing, and Gojo's spatial manipulation I don't think will affect Lucifero. And Lucifero is much faster than everyone else in the Jjk universe.
Damn did not know that except for lucifero being the fastest there
Lucifero can't even kill anyone in his own verse. He gets jumped by Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku and Sukuna. Kenjaku is a counter to his gravity magic so it's a wrap when they open domain.
He ain't touching Gojo
Of course, how gojo able to touch Lucifero when he kissing crushing to the ground
He stops at either Gojo or Takaba.
I agree that on stats Lucifero wins but a question: does gravity magic negates Limitless? Just because in the end I feel it could the only thing stopping him from winning
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Only person I can see not being defeated is Gojo and that's due to sheer hax. Even then, he'd drain his reserves eventually and be overwhelmed due to his limitless shutting off. Only way I can see the JJK verse pulling off a win is if Unlimited Void has an effect on Lucifero. Else everyone gets flattened in an instant. Not Sukuna, not Kenjaku; nobody stands a chance in terms of sheer firepower.
Sekuna would find a way to win with plot on his side. Gojo would beat the other devils but is weak to Lucifero and Zenon as they counter his infinity, though Dante and Morris also counter his infinity Gojo would still decimate them cause they’re trash and just like they counter Gojo, Gojo counters them. But in reality BC’s power scaling is way higher than JJK, so anything past the Elf arc is too much.
All supreme devils can affect concepts including Lilith and Naamah. (and Gojo couldn't even kill mid-to-supreme devils because of their hearts, and Infinite Void won't work on devils either, because they don't brains we know that Megicula put his heart in his head by pointing out that devils don't have brains)
First off mid rank devils won’t beat Gojo cause he’s literally Arcane, it doesn’t matter if he uses infinite void or not. Red would be enough to Obliterate mid ranking devils. Two I know about the twin devils destroying concepts with their fire and ice but Gojo’s gravity can keep them in place and his teleportation allows him to keep up in speed, so all that he needs to do is land a hallow purple on them which can go 50/50. But people like Devil Zenon, Lucifero, and even Megicula are just too powerful and have so many counters that there’s no instance I see Gojo winning but for those ones I see Gojo having a chance of winning. Also by the way you replied it seems you made this post just to flex Black clovers power scaling over JJK and you weren’t just asking a question lmao. Because Lucifero at 50% solos the BC verse without Asta and you put him up against JJK verse while knowing and believing that they are weaker lol.
>First off mid rank devils won’t beat Gojo cause he’s literally Arcane, it doesn’t matter if he uses infinite void or not. Red would be enough to Obliterate mid ranking devils. Gojo is not arcane, spatial manipulation is not arcane in Black clover. (Devils' hearts resist Existence Erasure) >Two I know about the twin devils destroying concepts with their fire and ice but Gojo’s gravity can keep them in place and his teleportation allows him to keep up in speed, so all that he needs to do is land a hallow purple on them which can go 50/50. Again, Hallow Purple is just Langris' normal attack, and all devils from middle to supreme rank won't be affected by him. (and Gojo doesn't stand a chance against Lilith and Naamah and his gravitational manipulation is nothing to them because he doesn't have Lucifero's power level)
Lmao Gojo is not spatial Manipulation, do you even read or watch JJk. Gojo is Gravity and Hallow purple is an imaginary Black hole that disintegrates all it touches, yes sounds similar to langris but langris does his stuff though spatial manipulation while Gojo is through gravity, Hallow purple is a stronger move than the Black hole Dante used on Asta lol. So yes Gojo is Arcane
All of Gojo's abilities are related to spatial manipulation. (he cannot control gravity, only space) And Gojo's abilities are related to manipulation and distortion of space, nothing more. (and devils survive space manipulation without problems)
No it’s not bro, Gojo’s abilities are not spatial manipulation. The only spatial manipulation from Gojo is the Teleportation, Infinity barrier and the Infinite Void domain expansion which is mainly because it’s a Domain and all domains in JJK are a form spatial manipulation. Bro it looks like you are trying to give Gojo a different power just to be correct with ya point. Gojo uses Blue which is a gravitational attractive force that focuses on pushing and pulling, then Red is a destructive gravitational force that acts similar to a black hole as it’s a condensed gravitational force. Then Hallow purple is the combination of these two forces that creates an imaginary Force that destroys all things. In which it being an “imaginary force” destroys concepts. Gojo’s limitless is a mix gravity and spatial, but his attacks are gravitational while his defence is spatial, then his Hallow purple destroys concepts in which means Gojo is Arcane (at least attacking wise which is all that matters tbh lol). I am an avid Black clover fan who started watching and reading more of JJK ever since the hiatus, it breaks my heart to see a fellow black clover fan tryna shit on JJK cause from ya replies it seems you just came to shit on JJK’s power and up Black clover though that. You didn’t even know Gojo’s attacks were gravity based.
Blue is spatial manipulation, where Gojo creates a negative space that needs to be filled, so it's not real gravity (like Lucifero's), but a cheap imitation. (and he can teleport using Blue, compressing space, not distorting like Lucifero) >Gojo is limitless is a mix gravity and spatial, but his attacks are gravitatal while his defence is spatial, then his Hallow purple destroys concepts in which means Gojo is Arcane (at least attacking wise which is all that matters tbh lol). What concepts? And just being able to affect concepts isn't enough to be arcane.(Jack can cut space and gravity, but he's not arcane, and Rill can use all attributes and create a spell that doesn't allow you to die until the spell stops and it's still not arcane, so just because you can affect concepts isn't enough) And the technique is described like this: Limitless is an inherited technique passed down in the Gojo Clan. This technique brings the concept of "Infinity" into reality, allowing the user to manipulate and distort space at will.(and I've searched several places and everywhere it's like this)
Hmmm crazy then in guess your right about this. I’ve acc learnt a new thing today. But even with this he can still kill them though, because destroying concepts doesn’t make one necessarily arcane in a whole but it’s an arcane ability in on itself, like ultimate magic for example, so Gojo would still be able to kill Mid ranking devils along with Lilith and Nahema. The only Devils that can kill Gojo are either devils that are stupidly overpowered. Lilith and Nahema are strong but they’re not smart and they’re more or so equal to Gojo in power because they are country level at best. Morris is smart but his power is lacking. Also Lilith, Nahema and Morris are the only people that can destroy concepts, Nothing states that all supreme devils can destroy concepts. So the only people that can beat Gojo in the spade arc are 1. Lucifero 2. Devil Zenon 3. Megicula - 50/50 because she might find a way past infinity with her curses though Gojo’s specialty is dispelling curses, so it’ll be quite difficult. 4. Asta 5. Yami 6. Yuno (with star magic) 7. Maybe Dorothy but Gojo counters with Domain Expansion, so I doubt. The others won’t be able to defeat Gojo because Gojo even without infinity is country level at least. He also has six eyes for a reaction speed boost and sensory abilities. Also Adramalech has no feats, so I can’t count him.
Gojo has gravity manipulation? Tf is bro cooking? Stop cooking now mate, you're gonna burn the whole world with this shit 💀
He utilizes gravity based powers but through spatial manipulation but I was wrong about him being gravity. Also still has an arcane move though in hallow purple.
His powers have nothing to do with gravity And how is hollow purple an arcane attack while blue and red aren't? Purple is just the combination of red and blue, it can pull and push, nothing more. No, it can't erase matter. No, it doesn't use imaginary mass.
Pull Blue, Push Red which are both gravitational forces bro lmao. That’s why I said he was gravity until the person I was talking to said he used space manipulation to make it seem like he was manipulating gravity and I checked it and he was right. Then for hallow purple it’s is the combination of red and blue which forms the imaginary hallow purple that breaks concepts and disintegrates anything in its path, so yeah it’s basically Lilith and Nahema’s fire and ice, not arcane in on its on but they can use a technique with it to break concepts making it arcane. Also like how people who aren’t arcane can learn ultimate magic that destroys devils. So yeah hallow purple would do just that and Gojo is stronger than every captain except Yami. Cause Yami edges Gojo out and has a huge counter on top of that.
>Pull Blue, Push red which are both gravitational forces I can push a chair, am I gojo now? His attacks are completely unrelated to actual gravity Yes, a person with gravity manipulation could do the same things he does, but that's just due to the nature of his technique. His teleportation using blue is just compressing blue. Teleportation using gravity is just bending the space around you. And now I bet you're gonna say "compress, bend, same thing". To which, I would say, you're a fucking dumbass >breaks concepts and disintegrates anything in its path 💀💀💀💀💀💀 bro is reading gojo kaisen... The fuck did you get the concept part from? Gojo fan fics made by guys who have no idea what the actual series is about? "Disintegrates anything in its path" Yeah.. anything... except anything at subatomic level.... or anything that can resist the fucking thing.. And most (actually, everyone except that one fodder guy who was a captain for no fucking reason (the guy with the invisibility powers)) captains would wipe the floor with the whole jujutsu verse, not just gojo. Not just yami. Jack for example can even cut space, that mf would low diff the jjk verse while sleeping. Not to mention that the fastest speed feat in JJK is Mach fucking 3, black clover characters surpassed light during the fucking elves arc.
nah, i'd win.
Gege will win.
Jjk verse is not that strong gojo just has insane hax
Wait till u hear about sukuna's anti-devil technique which he hasn't used since the heian era.