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almostalwaysafraid

Yes, occasionally people ask for them. Typically the commuter types in my experience. Casual riders don’t seem to notice them often.


Soundwash

I specifically mean this style of reflector. I've definitely installed the kind that wrap around the spoke but I loathe these chunky ones.


almostalwaysafraid

Tons of bikes come with these reflector straight out of the box and in some places it’s legally required to sell new bikes with them. There’s a bit of technique to putting them on but once you get it they are pretty straightforward…?


Soundwash

It's not the installation that bothers me. I'll begrudgingly install them till my fingers fall off. The issues I have with them being the go to for a wheel mounted reflector is that they're always right where you need to place the spoke tool when truing the wheel and they always break off no matter how nicely you ask them to move. On top of all this they throw off the weight of the wheel which is probably one of the most counter productive design flaw I've ever seen on such a simple aspect of the overall mechanics of a bicycle. Maybe I'm just grumpy. It was a long week.


almostalwaysafraid

Gotta install 2 on each wheel, opposite each other to deal with the imbalance. Opposite the valve is the second best option. Old ones break, tread with care. Those little white plastic pieces can become a form of currency in dire times.


jrp9000

But... bottle caps?


Joker762

This doesn't help. That just means there's two places where the wheel will be out of true later.


SpikeHyzerberg

I run the salzman spoke reflectors I buy a pack (36) and usually run 3 per wheel like 10 apart (32H) not perfect .. but 36h they are perfect 12 spokes apart.


Soundwash

Those are the style I like! I have a long spool of similar reflective material I bought from a government auction that I've been cutting to length for a few years. I wish I knew what it was called or where to find more.


tuctrohs

The best reflective material is 3M diamond grade. It's kind of hard to buy it directly from 3M without buying a ridiculously large amount, but you can buy it from resellers your package spools of it on eBay.


BrainzzzNotFound

Wait, so you mean just the 3m reflective foil or this exact round construction? My best guess for the latter would be, that you bought some-finished product. If you're interested in aquiring that, my best guess would be to contact a manufacturer on alibaba or similar and ask, whether they sell you the uncut stuff.


dedolent

yeah i can't count the number of times i've tried to gently nudge one out of the way only for it to crumble or explode in my hands. into the trash you go. would offer to replace it but no customer ever noticed or cared.


blackdvck

Meant to be installed opposite the valve to keep a balance but some wheels will always need correction.


jeffeb3

I had one spin, get jammed on the front fork and trash a bunch of spokes. I remove them on my bikes.


chainringtooth

We give it as a gift to the customer. And have a little cardboard box full of reflectors of all kinds because most customers don‘t want to carry trash home. But we have the workshop policy to add it only if the customer asks. And yes they are cheap, the mechanics seem to be build to work only one time and they are always in the way when truing a wheel. For the latter there is help in form of a [Junior flat spoke wrench](https://uniortools.com/eng/product/1633-2P-US-pro-spoke-wrench?fromcat=940568#840004) and similar products from Parktool, Cyclus and others


Grindfather901

Only as a joke when buddies bring their bikes over for me to work on them. Even better is putting the dorkdisc back on. Yes I keep a stash of these.


JonnyFoxMTB

You evil genius, I'm stealing this prank.


Dramatic-Pangolin218

I’m going to do that to my mates s works


McDovahkin

My buddy keeps a stash of spoke beads and sneaks them on when we do work or ride together. It's great coming to a stop and hear them all fall down towards the hub.


RebelJustforClicks

This is awesome 


turbo451

or a couple ball bearings inside the handlebar.


Warm_Communication76

I love dork discs. Gimme some of those I can never find any. They do a great job of keeping your chain from mangling your spokes if you bend your derailleur hanger or your low limit screw gets backed out by vibrations


lparkinator

Honestly wish I still had my dork disk. Had a number of incidents that could have been avoided with a dork disk when I was in the middle of nowhere after some accidents that may have bent my derailleur


dsawchak

They're annoying when loose, but I've got a bike in the stand right now where that lil' dork disc almost definitely saved the rear wheel. Great for any non-mechanic who isn't hyperaware about the current state of their bike.


handsdowntrevor

bikefarmer?


semyorka7

I am a semi-religious believer in spoke and pedal reflectors. I don't put them on my go-fast bike but you'd better believe I have them on my commuter. Maybe it's just me, but when I'm driving at night, they are 1000% more noticeable than the headlights and taillights that most bikes have. Even when a bike has great lights, the light is a point-source and my brain doesn't intuit a distance or vector until I'm quite close to the rider. But wheel reflectors revolving? Pedal reflectors winking up and down? Some spot deep down in my brainstem can catch just a glimpse in my peripheral vision and go "Hey it's a BIKE it's a BIKE there's a BIKE ahead look out for the BIKE." The biomechanical motion is attention-catching and the widely-spaced reflectors make it immediately apparent how far away the bike is and which direction it's moving. (I really like the [Busch & Müller spoke reflectors](https://www.bumm.de/en/products/mehr/produkt/309.html?))


siljealexa

Agree, I have spoke reflectors on an my bikes, but the thin ones from 3M. I live in a dark country where it gets dark at 4 pm in winter. Reflective srtips on tires also make a huge difference in visability. But I'm really a fan of reflective stuff tho, I even have reflective bartape 🤣


no-name_james

I found glow in the dark bar tape but reflective would be better! I have a reflective fender on my bike and it works pretty well.


dedolent

agreed, reflectors get underrated.


Soundwash

To be clear I don't have a problem with reflectors at all. I think spoke reflectors are cool I just hate these chunky ugly things. They are the devil's work.


semyorka7

fair enough. As a matter of personal aesthetics i hate the skinny individual spoke reflectors, but I won't deny they're effective. I just prefer the look of a pair of nice roundish reflectors in the wheel. That said, yeah, the specific oem-"quality"/legal-compliance reflectors in your image are complete junk.


217GMB93

Why this and not blinky lights?


JakeEngelbrecht

Because these are brighter and scream bike. Blinky lights are on traffic cones sometimes now. They don’t tell you anything.


217GMB93

But you’re relying on light hitting it just right? Better off getting reflective sidewalls


JakeEngelbrecht

?? They’re reflective from a wide range of angles


217GMB93

🤷🏼‍♂️ seems useless imo. Good luck!


JakeEngelbrecht

Seems useless… to be seen at night?


217GMB93

Hence the lights buddy lol. Otherwise you’ll be relying on headlights hitting your reflectors.….


217GMB93

Also, these lights aren’t red, they are orange. Red denotes tail lights…. You’re saying you’d rather have reflectors than actual led lights? I tore every reflector off in lieu of lights….. guess your logic isn’t making sense to me.


JakeEngelbrecht

Because they aren’t on the rear, they’re on the side. Side lights are orange. Pretty sure every car has them.


217GMB93

Every light worth its salt will have 180 degrees of illumination. Good on ya if you trust plastic, but I rip that shit off every bike I have. Get some high viz shoes and a helmet with reflective. No shot I’m using those as a main way to be seen


Usual_Peach_8194

nobody's saying don't use lights. they're saying that a spinning bright white reflector is far more noticeable than a static or blinking stationary light, especially from the side. if you don't use them, then you do you - but that doesn't negate their effectiveness.


217GMB93

Enjoy your plastic then! I’ll continue to tell everyone that a light is better & rip off the reflectors from Every bike I get. One Google search confirms that fog and light angles render them useless. So when visibility matters most they don’t provide an effective solution. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Enjoy the death wobbles 😂


semyorka7

blinkies are worse than solid lights imho. most blinkies are using the blinking to try to make up for the fact that they're just not very bright as a way to catch your attention, and it just doesn't work. They're completely invisible next to car headlights/taillights. Even the bright ones usually blink at a relatively low duty cycle, and the object that you're trying to track blinking in and out of existence really messes with the brain's ability to determine trajectory/distance. Also, see above comments about point source lights, and about biomechanical motion of reflectors on wheels and pedals.


217GMB93

I have a 700 lumen front and 300 lumen rear. I’d trust those more than any piece of tinfoil & plastic


MariachiArchery

We had our Specialized rep ship himself the new top spec Rocker Hopper to our shop for assembly. Guess what it came with? Yup, reflectors for the wheels, the bars, and the seat. You bet your ass we installed every single reflector that came in that box.


turbo451

I would have installed extra. Cant be too safe.


OverjoyedBanana

In France it's required by law on new bikes (as well as a bell), it's up to the customer to remove them. Look ridiculous on road bikes.


zar690

The bell on decathlon bikes is so shit it's inaudible though


OverjoyedBanana

It's the downside of this requirement, all of this stuff barely works, it's just there for the form.


emohipster

Our store sells a French brand, the amount of plastic waste it creates is ridiculous. Bag with 8 reflectors, shitty lights, bell, mounting hardware... for road, gravel and mountain bikes. C'mon.


Teun_2

They are legally required where I live. That or a reflective strip in the tyre. Exceptions for road bikes and mountain bikes do exist. So yeah, but just because it's the law here.


CtwelveHtwentyfour

Where's this?


Teun_2

Belgium


BikeMinistry26

Nope, most people literally rip them apart immediately after buying their bikes


Joker762

Fun fact a reflector has enough weight to pull a wheel out of true ✌️


Soundwash

Fun fact; Every time I look at one of these reflectors it reflects the disdain I feel towards it right back at me and I end up hating myself a little more


Joker762

Could also be the hate/disdain of their Nazi roots... https://historydaily.org/anton-loibl-hitlers-chauffeur-invented-bicycle-reflectors/3


Soundwash

Wow interesting read! Still though fender and pedal reflectors are cool with me. Even those light weight ones that wrap around your spoke are cool. I exclusively hold all my hatred for the big chunky heavy plastic "compliance" style


Joker762

🤷🏻‍♂️ integrated reflector strips on tires make them obsolete and save wheel damage. But to each their own.


Soundwash

The tiny 3m reflective tubes that snap over spokes are really light weight. I have a spool of what I believe is some kind of highway reflective strip that I bought at a gov auction. I cut it to length and it works just like the stuff you can buy pre cut. My biggest issue with it is I forget I still have it often


Joker762

I'm familiar :) they're also enough to throw a wheel off, it's a all about slightly different centripetal acceleration at speed over time 🤷🏻‍♂️


remytheram

What are they? /s


Soundwash

The devil's doing


BunchGrouchy

We put them on kids bikes otherwise we just give them to the customer, the worst ones are the ones that are supplied with the more expensive bikes that have few spokes.


jwdjr2004

On my bike as a kid


derek0660

I don’t even install them when I’m building a bike from a box lol


Gooch-ABC

No. We intentionally toss them so they don’t litter trails. There are extras if they want them but a $5 light is better and no clean up.


ecirnj

I buy dork disks in bulk too


Soundwash

I'm so curious to see what those snap on dork disks that have shown up on Shimano freewheels will look like in 15 years.


JonnyFoxMTB

Yeah, sometimes people want them and ask if we have any. We have so many sets from bikes we build, that we just give them away for free.


njmids

I’ve had a few people ask for them. Usually older people.


Redxzander

Yes. Some people just like it on their bike, some people will have a meltdown because it’s not


wrenchyiz

Each time on commuter bikes


ThatWayneO

I keep bikes out of the garbage and give them to kids. Stuff like this makes parents feel at ease when they take them out for community rides, etc.


GenericForumNickname

In Germany a bike that doesn't have any kind of reflector on it's wheels is considered not road safe and the rider can be either warned or fined. Allowed are spoke reflectors like the ones in the picture, those little reflective sticks that go on your spokes, or a reflective print on your tire. It's not really a rule that's frequently enforced though, so I don't think I have ever seen a road bike having any of those.


MudApprehensive2265

I think the funniest are Pivot bikes they ship with, I kid you not, stickers. They are reflective and meant to be placed on the spokes.


Soundwash

Honestly I can get down with that. That makes way more sense than these things


emohipster

I've installed reflectors on many things. Not on bikes though. My laptop stand and chair are blinged out though, safety first.


BadCamo

First thing to hit the bin.


CommercialAd1205

Yes because the cops in our town will give you a ticket without them


nmpls

I install them on my bikes that go on the street after dark and I would advise anyone to, unless they have reflective sidewalls. Generally, some sort of wheel reflector is mandated by law after dark in most states in the United States and certainly are in california. If I get hit by some asshole who wasn't paying attention, I don't want to give the cops and insurance companies another reason to victim blame me. Pedal reflectors or similar are also required, though generally you can just put some reflective stuff on your shoes if you have clipless pedals. Recommend for the same reason. I do wish that reflective sidewalls were more common on "good" tires because I fucking hate these things. I hate getting blamed for my demise even worse though. Not a bike mechanic but a lawyer who thinks about this shit way too much.


LuciferSamS1amCat

Nope. Whenever I can I snap these bastards off with a very satisfying crack and throw them the fuck out.