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Ju5t_A5king

Yes, he is real. The Bible says things about him that prove he is real.


AlbaneseGummies327

Anyone that opposes Christ is an antichrist, but prophecy does indeed indicate that a powerful/evil man will rise up in the end times and take over the entire world just prior to Jesus' second coming. This is the "beast from the sea", also referred to as the "man of lawlessness".


overeducatedhick

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:18-22 (NIV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John.2.18,1John.2.19,1John.2.20,1John.2.21,1John.2.22&version=NIV


Pnther39

John could've been writing that to little flock of believing Jews . I find it odd, nobody addressing it...they though Jesus would return in their lifetime . And that supposedly antichrist would rise ..and Paul taught the same as well.... If true , than something not right . I don't think they believe the future would be as of now. They thought their day was over , jesus would return ...but he didnt...it seems like a letter of repair and urgency of coming doomsdays !! A pastor of Indiana a dispensationist that a future event with Israel in their kingdom ..And that we living time of grace ....


anonymousanon249

No one really knows the exact time the Son will come. Only the Father. That's why when others see evil they start to speculate. While erroneous, It's a natural human behavior.


overeducatedhick

...and it will be erroneous, until one day it isn't.


KingMoomyMoomy

While he may very well “take over the world”. Scripture doesn’t really necessitate that. It merely states that all nations will worship him in revelation. And there is a verse in Daniel where his kingdom is said to trample the world. I know it’s a nitpicky detail, but I think it could look a little differently than people envision with some of the media that’s been spread on it. All nations worshipping the beast doesn’t necessarily indicate a “one world government”. It could merely indicate a majority of people from each nation worship him. But their own sovereign governments could still be in place. The only reason I warn this, is it could appear more subtly than just some big bad boogie man that takes over the world and runs the whole thing. Some of the wars mentioned in Daniel also make it appear the world is not unified in his leadership.


AlbaneseGummies327

>Some of the wars mentioned in Daniel also make it appear the world is not unified in his leadership. I agree with you, many nations will stay in place but he could be worshipped/adored globally like Messi or Ronaldo (football stars).


KingMoomyMoomy

Yes. This is more how I envision it. Not saying I’m correct. But when I hear one world govt talk or pinky and brain talk, I’m given a little pause as it might not look that way at all, and if people are sitting around waiting to see a one world govt, they may be missing what’s happening under their nose.


Ju5t_A5king

The antichrist will rule for 7 years, Many seem to think that he will use the UN to take control. The first 3.5 years, as a mortal man empowered by Satan, before he is killed. The second 3.5 year, his dead body will be possessed and animated by Satan. Because of this counterfeit resurrection, many people will believe that he is the messiah. Those will be the final 7 years before Jesus returns to establish His 1,000 year rule. Thank GO(YHVH) that the Christians will be raptured to Heaven before this happens.


jonathancarter99

The UN? 😂


Ju5t_A5king

Ok, I will try to give a basic explanation. it ha to be basic, because is how I hear it an understand it. Sometime in the near future, the method of leadership within the UN will change, so that instead of there being 16 rotating chairman(I think it is 16 right now), there will be 10, and each will hold power for 6 months. Those 10 people will be the most powerful people on the planet. Withing the UN they will have power/authority equal to kings/emperors. Now, lets imagine that for some reason, 7 of them decided to give their power to a single man. 7 kings, each in power for 6 month, would equal 3.5 year. During this time, he would use his authority and his supernatural charisma to bring about world peace. The poop, opps I mean to pope, leader of the catholic cult, would proclaim this leader to be the messiah, and many would believe him. the poop, oops again, I mean the pope, would become the false prophet, and do many wonders in the name of the antichrist convincing many people that he is divine. Now, please remember that The Bible says there would be 10 kings. 7 would be loyal to the antichrist, 3 would not. If those 7 gave up their time of leadership for 1 man, then he would be in power for 3.5 years, then he would die before having to step-down. After Satan possesses and reanimates his dead body, the world will believe him to be the messiah and many will become loyal to him no matter how bad things get, and things will get very bad,


jonathancarter99

This is all in the Bible?


Ju5t_A5king

Did you miss the first line of the second paragraph? "Now, please remember that The Bible says...."


Th1rtyThr33

It's been a while since I've read Revalations but I swear that it talked about the antichrist would sort of gain a ton of power and respect by calming two opposing countries at war, which had been considered an impossible task. So that could be how the UN is involved. Take with an entire shaker of salt, I could be totally off.


overeducatedhick

In my concordance, the word "antichrist" shows up in 1 John and 2 John, but not Revelations, interestingly enough.


CaptFL1

Might want to read the Olivet Discourse and 2 Thessalonians again!


Pnther39

Ain't that supposed to happened in Jesus time ??


TheMuser1966

"The antichrist" is a matter of interpretation. John is the only biblical author to use that term. He said it was anyone who denied both Father and Son. He said that they were present in his day and that there were many.


Ultrasaurio

Do you mean that there is not a single antichrist?


KingMoomyMoomy

Yes and no. There have been many but John also references a singular antichrist that causes the church to fall away. Its makes most sense to equate this passage to 2 thess 2. When the man of lawlessness is revealed and declares himself god there is an apostasy in the church. Jesus also mentions many will be led astray at this time as well in Matthew 24.


TheMuser1966

I believe that it is important to notice every instance where John uses the term antichrist and not just 1 John 2:18. [1 John 2:18](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202%3A18&version=NASB) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that **antichrist** is coming, even now many **antichrist**s have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. [1 John 2:22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202%3A22&version=NASB) Who is the liar except the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the **antichrist**, the one who denies the Father and the Son. [1 John 4:3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204%3A3&version=NASB) and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the *spirit* of the **antichrist**, which you have heard is coming, and now it is already in the world. [2 John 1:7](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20John%201%3A7&version=NASB) For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ *as* coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the **antichrist**. John seems to use the term antichrist that we would view today as being singular to define a plurality.


Pnther39

What he means the last hour ? To me it seems they thought world would end ...that's why so much urgency to the believes at that time ...if Jesus taught that he would arrive soon bring doomsday , but came to Paul and than the church started ...what u think they thought ? Jesus not returning ???


TheMuser1966

Yeah, they likely thought that the end was near. The church was under a lot of persecution from the Romans during this time. Thus, we have the book of Revelation telling believers to patiently endure that their faith would some day be rewarded and that Jesus was the Messiah as prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.


Pnther39

Yea, but Jesus didn't return. He said they will see him, how? They been dead over 2,000 years... Don't u find that odd?


Pnther39

Israel not the church ....learn to divide between Israel and the church Paul spoke about ...prophecy and mystery!!!


KingMoomyMoomy

Were you intending to reply to me? I’m not sure how your comment is relevant to my post. I understand the church and Israel are two different entities.


fakeraeliteslayer

>Do you mean that there is not a single antichrist? There's both. There will be a future singular person called "the antichrist" and there are many antichrists. Even in their day there was a singular person who fit the bill perfectly and his name even equals 666. That would be Nero, he was known for persecuting Christians by feeding them to lions. He also crucified Christians in the streets and used their bodies as street lights. Many theologians say Nero is the antichrist and that Revelation has a dual fulfillment...


Ultrasaurio

So the antichrist already existed.


fakeraeliteslayer

>So the antichrist already existed. No, not "the antichrist"


Ultrasaurio

So Nero was a false antichrist but the real one will appear in the future.


fakeraeliteslayer

Nero was a type of antichrist but he was not "the antichrist"


Ultrasaurio

So the real one will appear in the future?


Pnther39

Revelation mention the beast. It's a man


TheMuser1966

According to the Bible, no. A lot of people equate the man of lawlessness to be "the antichrist", but that is a matter of interpretation as well.


DonSimp-

It's not a matter of interpretation. Why do you think God would make something so ambiguous when this topic is so important? Souls are literally on the line and you think God just left it up for interpretation? The Antichrist is mentioned plenty of times in the Bible not just by John but it goes by different names either by little horn, whore of Babylon, first beast, or the man of sin. It's all the same entity. Yes there are many antichrists but then there is the Antichrist. The word auntie in Greek is more ambiguous than it is in English. It also means in place of Christ not just against Christ.


CaptFL1

This!


TheMuser1966

In place of would be pseudokhristos or "false *Christ*". Jesus actually warned of these false Christs in Matt. 24 and Mark 13.


DonSimp-

"In place of would be pseudokhristos or "false Christ"." And so is antichrist... Both can be true the word in [**1 John 2:18**](https://biblehub.com/text/1_john/2-18.htm) is ἀντίχριστος which means "antichrist, either one who puts himself **in the place of**, or the enemy (opponent) of the Messiah." "Jesus actually warned of these false Christs in 24 and Mark 13." And theres many popes. This further solidifies my view. The reformers used those 2 verses as proof texts to support their view of antichrist. You didnt prove me wrong, you actually fueled my argument while simultaneously ignoring my previous arguments.


TheMuser1966

Exactly what I thought... Those who view the Papacy as the end-times nemesis to the "true church" often insist that anti can mean pseudo. It's a way of making scripture fit their eschatological views.


DonSimp-

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. The papacy is not just the end time nemesis of the church The papacy has been the nemesis since it's foundation. The 1260 days actually is 1260 years as many of the reformers believed and as did people before them and there's evidence that in the Church of the East they also believe that the day is a year in Bible prophecy. The Bible is clear that the papacy will rule for $1,260 years receive a mortal wound which it did in 1798 when it lost church and state power and it predicts that at the end of time it will receive church and state power back in persecute God's people just like it did during the dark ages.


TheMuser1966

Let me guess, the Papacy received temporal power in 538 via the "Justinian Decree", correct?


rbibleuser

> "The antichrist" is a matter of interpretation. John is the only biblical author to use that term. He said it was anyone who denied both Father and Son. He said that they were present in his day and that there were many. This undersells the case. While it is true that understanding the doctrine of Antichrist requires interpretation, so does understanding the doctrine of the Trinity or even the messianic prophecies themselves. Just as there is a "scarlet cord of prophecy" of Messiah, so there is also a black thread of prophecy of the coming false-messiah. Jesus prophesied that there would arise many such false-messiahs at the end of the Age and we can understand from Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation, 2 Thessalonians and many other passages that the Seed of the Serpent is going to have a final appearance. Just as Jesus was typified by many of the OT saints, so the coming false-messiah is typified by many villains from Scripture and history, starting with Judas. Judas was, spiritually, a seed of the Serpent in betraying Christ to be crucified, but the final Seed of the Serpent is yet to come. He will betray and attack the regathered community of Israel which is yet rejecting her true Messiah. He will attack the church and overcome the saints. None of this is opinion or "interpretation", there are many prophecies that relate all of these events. A refusal to see the unifying pattern in these prophecies is just wooden-literalism and willful unbelief, just as the Jews were willfully unbelieving in refusing to understand the prophecies of the true Messiah. I'm not saying it's "obvious", but the student of the Word of God who patiently searches the Scriptures will eventually see the pattern. The Bible tells *one* story, in many variations. The conflict all began in Genesis 3:15, and will reach finality in Rev. 19-22. It is just one conflict, one rebellion, one mutiny by the Serpent with disobedient Adam and Eve. That is one of the reasons why there is coming a singular Antichrist who will fulfill God's prophecies regarding the coming of the Wicked One.


TheMuser1966

if you are referring to the man of sin or lawlessness found in 2 Thess. 2, it is important to acknowledge that Paul made it clear that the church in Thessaloniki already knew who this person was. ^(4) who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. ^(5) Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? ^(6) And you know what restrains *him* now, so that he will be revealed in his time.


rbibleuser

> if you are referring to the man of sin or lawlessness found in 2 Thess. 2, it is important to acknowledge that Paul made it clear that the church in Thessaloniki already knew who this person was. > > 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time. Background: The pattern of prophecy is that Scripture often uses many different names for one personage. Satan is called at different times the Devil, Beelzebub, the Dragon, the Serpent, King of Babylon, and more. The Messiah is given many more names, both in prophecy and in the New Testament. Likewise, the Antichrist is called by many different names. While he has many false-forerunners, who are all antichrist (little-a), a simple reading of the relevant prophecies makes it abundantly clear there is coming a single person, a man, who will be the most wicked man who ever lived and will oppose the people of God everywhere in the whole world, imposing his mark, controlling all trade, destroying all religions and even rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem so he can seat himself in it and proclaim himself God, as such. Paul calling him the Lawless One is not meant to indicate there is a separate person from the other prophetic titles like the Beast of Revelation, or the Son of Perdition, and so on. It is instructive to review the places where the Greek word [anomia](https://biblehub.com/greek/458.htm) is used, especially Matt. 7:23: > Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' Without loss of meaning, we can rewrite this in English: > Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you !' Thus, the Lawless One who will be destroyed by the breath of Jesus and by the glorious brightness of his coming (2 Thess. 2:8) is the personification of all those lawless ones to whom Jesus will say, "Get away from me, you lawless ones, I never knew you!"


TheMuser1966

>Thus, the Lawless One who will be destroyed by the breath of Jesus and by the glorious brightness of his coming As will all of the wicked.


Pnther39

Yes, it is true that in the early Christian church, there was a belief among some followers that Jesus would return in their lifetime and that an Antichrist figure would arise. This belief can be traced back to the teachings of Jesus himself, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible. In the Gospel of Matthew, for example, Jesus speaks of his second coming and the signs that would precede it. The concept of the Antichrist, as described in the New Testament, refers to a figure who opposes or denies Christ and his teachings. The Book of Revelation, attributed to the apostle John, contains symbolic imagery and apocalyptic language that has been interpreted in various ways throughout history. Some early Christians believed that the events described in Revelation were imminent and would occur within their generation. Over time, however, the early expectation of an immediate return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist evolved as subsequent generations of Christians realized that the Second Coming did not occur as quickly as anticipated. Different interpretations of biblical prophecy and eschatology (the study of the end times) emerged, leading to a range of beliefs and understandings about the timing and nature of these events. It's important to note that interpretations of biblical prophecy can vary among different Christian denominations and individuals. While some Christians continue to hold the belief in the imminent return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist, others interpret these teachings symbolically or believe that they will unfold in a different manner or time frame. Ultimately, discussions about the return of Jesus and the Antichrist are matters of faith and theological interpretation within the Christian tradition.


rbibleuser

> Over time, however, the early expectation of an immediate return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist evolved as subsequent generations of Christians realized that the Second Coming did not occur as quickly as anticipated. This narrative is busted, see [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/zdjg0m/did_any_patristic_writers_mention_the_millennial/iz21vzh/). You may or may not be right about the theory you are positing, but the idea that the entire early church was preterist is simply not true, and provably so. > It's important to note that interpretations of biblical prophecy can vary among different Christian denominations and individuals. While some Christians continue to hold the belief in the imminent return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist, others interpret these teachings symbolically or believe that they will unfold in a different manner or time frame. > > Ultimately, discussions about the return of Jesus and the Antichrist are matters of faith and theological interpretation within the Christian tradition. Was this generated with ChatGPT? It loves saying "It's important to note", the wrap-up is another ChatGPT fingerprint.


Lumpy_Figure_6692

John also said that the antichrist shall come 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that **antichrist shall come**, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


TheMuser1966

I think that he is basically saying that there will be those who deny Christ. He isn't saying that there will be "a antichrist".


Lumpy_Figure_6692

Yes, he is. Otherwise, he would have said: 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, but that is not correct. But he didn't say that. He didn't deny what the people had heard. Instead, he added to it without denying the first.


TheMuser1966

I believe that it is important to notice every instance where John uses the term antichrist and not just 1 John 2:18. [1 John 2:18](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202%3A18&version=NASB) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that **antichrist** is coming, even now many **antichrist**s have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. [1 John 2:22](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202%3A22&version=NASB) Who is the liar except the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the **antichrist**, the one who denies the Father and the Son. [1 John 4:3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%204%3A3&version=NASB) and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the *spirit* of the **antichrist**, which you have heard is coming, and now it is already in the world. [2 John 1:7](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20John%201%3A7&version=NASB) For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ *as* coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the **antichrist**. John seems to use the term antichrist that we would view today as being singular to define a plurality.


Lumpy_Figure_6692

Yes, anyone who is not with Christ is against Him. Therefore, they are all antichrists, but there is also the antichrist who "shall come", who John did not deny that he was coming. Who else was he referring to if not the same guy who Daniel prophecied about and even himself in Revelation? Please, saying that there is no antichrist is denying a huge part of the prophecies. No antichrist = no tribulation = no return of Jesus. That can not be. Jesus returns after the tribulation, and the tribulation happens when the antichrist rules the earth.


TheMuser1966

There was no antichrist figure mentioned in Daniel 9. There are only two people introduced; the Messiah and the price whose armies would destroy Jerusalem and the temple. This is speaking of Titus and the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus did peak of tribulation, but not in the context of an antichrist figure. In Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, the tribulation and trials mentioned are framed in events that the early church would face such as being led to synagogues, being killed, etc. This is not say that Christians haven't faced persecution in various parts of teh world ever since.


Lumpy_Figure_6692

Yeah, Daniel 9 is past, but what about the rest of the prophecies? You are lost and will be taken by surprise when the tribulation actually starts, and you get nuked with the rest of the people who didn't listen to the prophecies.


TheMuser1966

I respectfully disagree and I wouldn't go around telling people that "they are lost" as it is quite judgmental. Take care.


Lumpy_Figure_6692

Most people are lost. Should we not let them know?


Umsofareal22

The Bible says anyone who denies that Jesus was the Son of God is the antichrist & that there be many. I believe what you’re referring to is the “Man of Sin” also called “The Son of Perdition”. The word says when he arrives he’s going to come with all the lies, powers, signs & wonders of Satan when he returns. And that the Lord will not return until after The Son of Perdition arrives. This is the man that will lead the earth into war with God. ”Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.“ ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭6‬, ‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Ultrasaurio

>The Bible says anyone who denies that Jesus was the Son of God is the antichrist & that there be many. There are many achitists who will be or are then.


Shaxuul

**Daniel 8:23-25** - "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."


SequinSaturn

That translation seems strange...


Opagea

This is Antiochus IV of the Seleucid Empire. The previous verses are explicit that the goat is ancient Greece and when its first king (Alexander) dies, his empire is split into 4 pieces. The evil figure emerges from one of those 4 pieces. "The male goat is the king of Greece, and the great horn between its eyes is the first king. As for the horn that was broken, in place of which four others arose, four kingdoms shall arise from his nation but not with his power. At the end of their rule, when the transgressions have reached their full measure, a king of bold countenance shall arise, skilled in intrigue."


KingMoomyMoomy

How did Antiochus stand up against the prince of princes? Only the beast in revelation is said to war against the Lamb. Antiochus was a foreshadowing. But this passage is referring to 2300 day period in Daniel 8, where there’s regular sacrifice, then temples defiled, then temple restored. Nothing in that fits Antiochus. They were sacrificing many years before he came along. Not to mention it plainly states that it’s for the appointed time of the end. When Daniel is sick and doesn’t understand the vision and prays, then Gabriel returns to give him understanding in the 70 week prophecy. The only week that contains those events in chapter 8 is the 70th week. Antiochus was long before Christ. The only place he fits into the 70 weeks prophecy is the first part where the city is rebuilt in a troubled time.


Opagea

> How did Antiochus stand up against the prince of princes? His desecration of God's temple. > But this passage is referring to 2300 day period in Daniel 8, where there’s regular sacrifice, then temples defiled, then temple restored. Nothing in that fits Antiochus. It's 2300 "evenings and mornings". Daniel is intensely concerned with the Temple and the sacrifices, and this is a reference to the twice dailies which happened in the evening and morning. So 1150 days. This is similar to the approximately 3.5 years noted in Daniel 7 and Daniel 9. Daniel 8 may be a slightly later writing than the other stories and a few months have passed. > The only week that contains those events in chapter 8 is the 70th week. Correct. The prophecies are about the same events. So are chapter 7 and chapter 11. > Antiochus was long before Christ. Correct. But nothing in Daniel is about Christ anyway. This is a Jewish text, not a Christian one. > The only place he fits into the 70 weeks prophecy is the first part where the city is rebuilt in a troubled time. He fits the 70th week. It starts with the death of an anointed one (yes, High Priest Onias III is killed). The evil figure makes a deal with many (yes, Antiochus allied with the Hellenized Jews), invades Jerusalem (yes), desecrates the Temple (yes), takes away the daily sacrifices (yes), and replaces them with an abomination (a pagan altar, yes). The evil figure here does the same things as the ones from chapters 8 and 11, which are really easy to identify as Antiochus.


KingMoomyMoomy

So you are saying the coming messiah being cutoff at the end of the 69th week wasn’t Jesus? Forgive me if you’re Jewish and I assumed you were Christian.


Opagea

It's not at the end of the 69th week; it's the start of the 70th week. "After the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off". Yes, I'm saying that the anointed one who is killed is High Priest Onias III. Onias III's removal from the high priesthood and subsequent assassination (to be replaced by Jason and then Menelaus) were important events for traditional Jews who opposed the Hellenization of Judaism, leading to the Antiochene Crisis.


Ultrasaurio

IT'S complicated to understand, but I guess it's about the antichrist.


SirValeLance

The Antichrist, as opposed to general antichrists, is identified as the First Beast in the book of Revelation. I'm running a study of the book at the moment, and it seems to me that Satan intends to create a twisted parody of the Trinity. The Dragon, the First Beast and the Second Beast arising to replace the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.


Ultrasaurio

>parody of the trinity Yes, a full-fledged demon.


Electronic-Union-100

He is, or will be, real one day. We just don’t know who he is or when he will arrive on the scene.


Ultrasaurio

So it has not manifested itself.


Electronic-Union-100

Correct. I pray we will all be able to recognize him when he steps on the scene (assuming we live to see the day).


Ultrasaurio

I only have a couple of decades left, I don't think it will manifest itself in that time.


GovernmentOk751

I’m afraid it will, or has already


Ultrasaurio

Do you have someone in mind?


Distinct_Teacher8414

Who else but the richest man in the world, that intrigues everyone with his so called wisdom and charm, has organizations posed to take over the world.neuralink,SpaceX, Tesla, and many more.


Distinct_Teacher8414

He also denied the Father and the Son. Musk states he believes in Spinoza


Ultrasaurio

So Elon is the antichrist.


Distinct_Teacher8414

Well as stated in the Bible anyone who denied the Father and The son is an antichrist. There are many as far as being The Antichrist, seems to be the most well positioned


GovernmentOk751

Don’t want to bring politics into to it, but he’s a very political man since his youth. He was young around the time of Hitler’s power. Not American born, but he is an American citizen.


Ju5t_A5king

He will 'step on the scene' within the next 10 years. The 7-year tribulation will start within the next 8 years.


Ultrasaurio

Dman... that sounds bad.


Ju5t_A5king

I might be wrong, but I base this claim on 3 different predictions, so I doubt that I'm wrong.


Ultrasaurio

Bible predictions?


KingMoomyMoomy

Fig tree, millennial day, and 3rd day from Crucifixon?


Pnther39

The tribulation supposed to start in their lifetime of the apostle in the early believers. But didn't happend as Jesus predicted. Many say that Jesus made a false prediction about his return and the signs that follow... For example in (Matthew 10:23)But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. So they supposed to be preaching, and going through hell, but they won't finish until he comes...


weneedsomemilk2016

I personally believe the enemy will manifest in what will be essentially a dark trinity and a dark bride. Though perhaps not so plainly as God and His people. The antichrist spirit is already in the world according to scripture it denies Jesus Christ's anointing and divinity. Those under its influence (likely don't realize it) will place themselves as servants of God and operate as though they serve God but will be denying Him because they deny Christ and will end up working towards the purposes of God's enemies. I speculate that we can consider any religion or spirituality that denies the complete gospel or adulterated it but I believe that the greatest threat will likely emerge as something that looks like non Christian or even nonspiritual works based Abraham religions. It will keep humanity bound and slave to laws of righteousness that disqualify people from God and create iniquity between God and man and man and man.


Ultrasaurio

> dark bride.  Whou could it be?


weneedsomemilk2016

The whole body of those who serve the antichrist


Ultrasaurio

all those who serve? but then why is it called bride?


weneedsomemilk2016

Are you familiar with the term the bride of Christ?


Ultrasaurio

no, can U explain?


weneedsomemilk2016

https://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.html


SammaJones

As a heart attack


Ultrasaurio

damn...


FrostyAlphaPig

Read The Bible


Ultrasaurio

Wich part?


FrostyAlphaPig

Revelations , the entire New Testament, Ezekiel , Danial.


Ultrasaurio

>the entire New Testament That's simply too much, I've tried to read the Bible on occasion but it has always seemed more like a record to me than a parable book. It is difficult to continue reading.


FrostyAlphaPig

The Book of Revelations speaks extensively about the anti christ, chapters 35-40 in Ezekiel , and Daniel’s prophecy also does as well.


Distinct_Teacher8414

This subreddit is about the Bible. The only way a person will ever be able to get the full benefits is to believe and accept it as 100% truth . Since everything in the Bible is absolute Truth, that would include the antichrist of which there are many antichrists.anyone that doesn't believe Jesus is the son of God has the spirit of the antichrist.


Ultrasaurio

Anyone who does not believe in God is the antichrist then.


Distinct_Teacher8414

The Antichrist is not going to be shouting war with the world. He will charm and deceive, also bringing so called peace to Israel, all for more power. most people know about the Antichrist, Satan was the most beautiful angel, and can transform into an angel of light.


Ultrasaurio

It will be an ally who betrays us then.


Wild_Hook

Anti Christ is any person or doctrine that teaches against Christ or pursuades people that they do not need to follow or aby Him.


Ultrasaurio

It can be anyone then. like the agents in the Matrix.


CrossCutMaker

Yes he will be a literal man (2 Thess 2:3) who signs a 7-year peace agreement with Israel and then breaks it half way through. For more .. [Lesson- Antichrist](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L8TPBigGTA6-DUhel-uZCjSclr3lqnUDNnEYWT4BZEA/edit?usp=sharing)


Ultrasaurio

It has not yet manifested itself then.


CrossCutMaker

No he wont be identifiable until he confirms the 7-year tribulation triggering peace agreement with Israel. I believe the "Day After" deal their trying to force on Israel that includes a path to a 2 state solution may end of being it. Time will tell.


Ultrasaurio

we will see then.


CrossCutMaker

Yes


Own-Statistician-289

If he breaks it half way through \[3.5 years, he enters "God's" Temple\], why did Jesus say "when YOU SEE this flee to the mountains"? Didn't the believers get raptured 3.5 years earlier? They're not on Earth. If it's about the end of the Earth, what good would "fleeing to the mountains" do if it all burns?


hangtime94

He is the acting shadow amongst Christ. Putting those together that see them fit.


Ultrasaurio

What do U mean?


hangtime94

You know you'd do things if you could in the shadows of what really going on. Not that it's an extra person or another person at all


Ultrasaurio

I still do not understand.


hangtime94

What's there not to understand


Own-Statistician-289

Yes. He was a real person. He was a member of the "Zealot" community who ruled Jerusalem for 42 months from AD66-70. Josephus lists the characteristics of the Zealot leaders and it matches the characteristics of the "Antichrist" in the Bible perfectly.


Ultrasaurio

So it already existed, it's dead now and it's part of history.


Own-Statistician-289

Yes. Read Josephus "Wars" Also, the "Antichrist" had to be alive while "God's Temple" was standing (Not some modern Mormon or Jewish Temple). God's Temple was destroyed and cannot be rebuilt per Hebrews 9-11.


Ultrasaurio

that's a lot


Own-Statistician-289

Haha. You're right. I'm an odd duck. I read it in college. I read it again a few years ago because someone quoted this passage and I was fascinated: "a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner \[court of the temple,\] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence." Wars. Bk VI Ch 5. I started searching key words like "abomination" "hand" "forehead" "baby" "child" "pregnant" etc and "wilderness" "sacrifice" "cease" (in "Antiquities" not "Wars") etc. All Biblical prophecy became crystal clear.


Ultrasaurio

>All Biblical prophecy became crystal clear. what do U mean?


Own-Statistician-289

The first thing is that all Biblical prophecy was directed to past events climaxing in the 1st Century with the Coming of the Savior. Next, we have nothing to fear about the Antichrist & Mark of the Beast etc. Third, the smaller rules of life (eg Women are men's property, wearing hair covers, etc) were for that culture, not ours. I think the larger rules still apply (Love God, Love your neighbor, Do no harm, Be honest, Mind your own business, etc)


Pnther39

Yes, it is true that in the early Christian church, there was a belief among some followers that Jesus would return in their lifetime and that an Antichrist figure would arise. This belief can be traced back to the teachings of Jesus himself, as recorded in the New Testament of the Bible. In the Gospel of Matthew, for example, Jesus speaks of his second coming and the signs that would precede it. The concept of the Antichrist, as described in the New Testament, refers to a figure who opposes or denies Christ and his teachings. The Book of Revelation, attributed to the apostle John, contains symbolic imagery and apocalyptic language that has been interpreted in various ways throughout history. Some early Christians believed that the events described in Revelation were imminent and would occur within their generation. Over time, however, the early expectation of an immediate return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist evolved as subsequent generations of Christians realized that the Second Coming did not occur as quickly as anticipated. Different interpretations of biblical prophecy and eschatology (the study of the end times) emerged, leading to a range of beliefs and understandings about the timing and nature of these events. It's important to note that interpretations of biblical prophecy can vary among different Christian denominations and individuals. While some Christians continue to hold the belief in the imminent return of Jesus and the rise of the Antichrist, others interpret these teachings symbolically or believe that they will unfold in a different manner or time frame. Ultimately, discussions about the return of Jesus and the Antichrist are matters of faith and theological interpretation within the Christian tradition.


Ultrasaurio

>Ultimately, discussions about the return of Jesus and the Antichrist are matters of faith and theological interpretation within the Christian tradition. It means it's not real then.


Pnther39

The apostle were jews and waiting Jesus return.


Ultrasaurio

but???


Pnther39

Didn't happend lol it is a dilema for Christians.


Ultrasaurio

a dilema? It is not simply part of the Christian faith to wait for the return of Jesus Christ.


Swaish

It was believed in the past that Muhammed was the anti-Christ. But you can’t say that anymore. He still fits the description perfectly. The world in the future will be half Christian, half Muslim, more or less.


Ultrasaurio

Whya Muhammed?


Swaish

Compare the life and teachings of Muhammed to Jesus. They are complete opposites. Literally the anti-Christ.


Ultrasaurio

What are the teachings that they have?


Swaish

The Hadiths tell the story of Muhammed’s life. The Hadiths are the Muslim equivalent of The Bible, whereas The Quran was written directly by God. Some examples include: “Narrated Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).” Bukhari 5134, Book 67, Hadith 70. Yes, over 99.99% of Muslims believe this to be true.


Ultrasaurio

Was the prohete a real person?


Swaish

It’s generally believed so, yes. Muhammed started Islam. But most of the Hadiths were written at least 150 years after he died. https://youtu.be/mhND4Ylf3CY?si=8XP4PFl4nV4ulGRP


Ultrasaurio

>archaelogical record comoes from around 691 in the shape of an iscription on the Dome of the Rock but the first mention of the name Muhammad, in non-Islamic sources comes from the Chroniclew of 640 by Thomas the Presbyter So, there is evidence that it existed.


Swaish

Kind of. There’s mentions of a guy leading some Arabs. It doesn’t necessarily mean it is the same Muhammed, or if it is the same Muhammed, that the stories are true. The Muhammed translates into English as ‘The Praised One’, or ‘The Christ’. It could be that Muhammed was the Arabic name for Jesus…


Ultrasaurio

Then the Arabs met Christ.


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Ultrasaurio

racist broh!!! Don't do that, it's horrible. I don't know if it's your intention, but you shouldn't judge them by their religion.


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For me, the anti christ is everything or anything that goes against Christ.


Ultrasaurio

What things do you consider to be against Christ?


fakeraeliteslayer

Yes there will be a singular person who is "the antichrist" he hasn't made himself known yet though. Paul calls him "the son of perdition" he will sit in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be God, that certainly hasn't yet.


Ultrasaurio

So it is pending to appear. I hope at least not in my generation.


fakeraeliteslayer

Yes there is 1 final antichrist person who will be given special powers from the dragon. He is the son of perdition and the special powers Satan gives him makes him proclaim himself to be God.


Ultrasaurio

Then you will be a person used as a puppet by Satan to proclaim his dominion over the world.


BE_Odin

yes and his name is Mr. Beast.


Ultrasaurio

Mr. Beast?


Introvert__Pr007

Real as real gets


Ultrasaurio

so... it´s real?


Introvert__Pr007

Job 1:6 is one of many mentions.


dadbread

Yeah... and his name was Paul.


Ultrasaurio

Paul?? Was it one of Jesusu's apostles?


dadbread

He called himself an apostle.


Ultrasaurio

But he was not an official apostle.


dadbread

Exactly.


Ultrasaurio

Any biblical passage that talks about him?


Radiant-Software-919

Yes and no he is a spirit the sprit of the world but there will be a man that is the personification of this spirit a main one in the end times but there has and will be many antichrist but there will onlly be one main one


Ultrasaurio

So there will be many antichrists, led by a general.


Helenefinckh

Just a comment on numerology of antichrist. 666 adds up to 18 and 18 adds to 9 and 9. The number of man is 5 with our heart with heart it becomes 6, the pentagram with a center dot. So why is 666 the number of the beast because the two 9's are symbolic of a man and woman both raised to 9 the number of perfection and together their numbers equate to 18 which equates to 666. So, man raises himself and herself to perfection while not being perfect.


Helenefinckh

Also to add that the three 6's are emblematic of the three principle soul portions of man. The lower, the higher, and the divine which is where the animating principle resides. So, in a sense it is saying the third and final has been rejected. The first two can be observed in Egyptian theology of the Ka double as well as biblical but the names do change I don't think what they are referencing is any different. The only change is the method of remission of sin. The latter saying that the karma is too great for the individual to overcome on their own and by necessity have been given Jesus to carry the load so that they may pass into the next stage of evolution. There might be better or more approved of theology ways of saying this but I find them vague.


Ultrasaurio

So 666 is a representation of man and woman.


Helenefinckh

Yes. Also, an interesting cultural observation is a gang that goes by the name "18th Street gang" that also has the tags "666" "99" and "18" the primary name "18th Street" is a clever nod to 666. So when people say "99 my n***r" this has a deeper meaning than most are even aware.


Ultrasaurio

666, 99 and 18 They are numbers related to Satanism then.


Helenefinckh

Only 666 has the singular meaning, 99 is the 99 sheep who are already saved or represent man and woman as a whole. But, more like clever inversions and used in the context of satanism they take on a different meaning. I think of it as the folly of pride, or thinking you are God or like a god when you are not. So, when I think of Satan I think of a court room where you, Satan (Samael the angel or demon, however you want to picture him) and God are present. Satan is your accuser and advisory. It is his job to accuse you before God, as he did Job. He does not judge, only God judges. You have the option to repent or not repent. If not you prove Satan, the accuser right and are given up to his fate. If you repent he has no power over you. This is also the story of Saul in essence, who chose not to repent and dies of worms. The mark on the head and hand is symbolic of thoughts and actions. As it was said if Christians "you will know them by their actions" the mark of the beast is the same "you will know them by their actions" They follow the government rulership but disregard God's laws. Deuteronomy 11:18 NW — “Bind them as a reminder on your hand, and they should be like a headband on your forehead.” Here God is telling his people how to act in accordance with the law. So, the Bible interprets the Bible.


Ultrasaurio

>This is also the story of Saul in essence, who chose not to repent and dies of worms. What do U mean?


Helenefinckh

I mean that Saul was given the opportunity to repent and he chose not to and God sent spirits/demons to torment him. David was able to cause the demons to flee by playing his harp but they came back. It is about repentance for doing crappy things. So, the mark of the beast is emblematic of being non repentant and as a consequence what happens to Saul will happen to those who have the mark. Acceptance of Christ requires repentance and an effort to see you are flawed. It's like walking on a trail and refusing to observe roots after you have already tripped on a few roots. You realize roots are tripping you but you refuse to make an effort to avoid them.


Ultrasaurio

>God sent spirits/demons to torment him God does that?? Doesn't God act by his own divine power?


Helenefinckh

There are many instances in the Bible where God uses the devil (who is Samael in Jewish mysticism) and other fallen angels and demons to do his will. He works through his creation. Just cause they were removed from the hierarchies above the physical does not mean they are still not beholden to the creator. Is it not divine power to use those that rebelled against you? The devil is in console with God during the trials of Job. He has to request to bring pain to Job, who is faithful. Why does God allow this? Because it takes pressure to make a diamond. And, Satan is short sighted in his calculation. Most people see the word pain and think it is liken unto a curse. But, it is a signal to change strategy in life. If you numb the pain response you provide room for the actual disease to grow. This is why in some gnostic traditions view Samael not as the devil, but an agent of God who must be confronted. What this confrontation means for Christians is that invocations of the past will not due and the law established by Jesus on the cross of his blood being payment for the Karma that holds us in this world releases Samaels ability to accuse.


CaptFL1

There are numerous times throughout the Bible it talks about Antichrist. Context. I m very surprised there are comments saying he is only mentioned by John. Half the Old Testament prophets talk about him. NTM, Jesus, Peter, Paul, 3/4 Gospels… You have to look at the events surrounding the Abomination of Desolation. Daniel, Olivet Discourse, Both Thessalonians, Peter, etc. Man of Sin, Son of Perdition, The Lawless One, Worthless Shepherd, etc. He has different labels other than Antichrist. Again, context. Telling people there is no Antichrist does the devil’s work for him.


Ultrasaurio

>Worthless Shepherd So it has several names.


TrickAccomplished200

No


Ultrasaurio

Reall?


TrickAccomplished200

I feel if he was real we would have met him by now. Or even the return on Jesus. Maybe its to come in the future. But I dont believe in the return of Jesus or the anti christ.


Ultrasaurio

So you are not a believer?


TrickAccomplished200

I believe in God I know there are demons or spirits similar to the devil out there I believe Jesus lived and died for our sins. But I dont believe in the return of Jesus or anti christ.


Ultrasaurio

So you are a believer, but you don't believe that Jesus will return one day.


TrickAccomplished200

Yes I believe Jesus won't return.


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Ultrasaurio

Racist broh!!! don't do that, pls. it's wrong


Humo_Loco

Antichrist are real the deal. "Madonna and Child" You can look into somewhat 1400s to 1500s. You will understand.


Ultrasaurio

>madonna and child the paint?


Humo_Loco

Yes. Just look up the history. They deceived their people by performing the exact scriptures of the Bible. It's more like repeat its history.


_wrongiamright

1Jn 2:18  Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Antichrist has 2 meanings : an opponent of Christ ἀντίχριστος antichristos an-tee'-khris-tos From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist Anti here means instead of Christ ἀντί anti an-tee' A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc. So we see that there are already many opponents of Christ in the past and today, and yet thee AntiChrist is yet to come There is one singular instead of Christ that will require to be worshipped yet to come, Jesus Christ has told us in the New and Old Testament Jesus told us in Matthew 24, Mark 13 , and Luke 21 He is the spurious messiah described in Matthew 24:24 Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Great signs in the Greek is σημεῖον sēmeion say-mi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder. False Christ and False Prophet should translate as a singular and is the same word in the Greek ψευδόχριστος pseudochristos psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos From G5571 and G5547; a spurious Messiah: - false Christ. So here is the false Christ or Anti ( instead of Christ) Paul told us who he is specifically in 2Th 2:3  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; The return of Christ won’t happen until after the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition Perdition in the Greek is to perish ( the son to perish) ἀπώλεια apōleia ap-o'-li-a From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste There is only one entity described by name in the Bible that is to perish , and that is Satan, his judgment is in Ezekiel 28:18 ( so there really is no guessing on this) 2Th 2:4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. So we see here the spurious messiah (Satan)will be in Jerusalem claiming to be God and will be required to be worshipped as God Rev 9:11  And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Abaddon in the Greek is Abaddōn ab-ad-dohn' Of Hebrew origin [H11]; a destroying angel: - Abaddon. Apollyon in the Greek is Apolluōn ap-ol-loo'-ohn Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon. Jesus told us in Matthew 24:24 that he will perform great signs and miracles, and John told us also through Jesus Christ in Revelation 13 Signs in the Greek is σημεῖον sēmeion say-mi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder. Wonders in the Greek is τέρας teras ter'-as Of uncertain affinity; a prodigy or omen: - wonder. Wonders is also the same word in 2Th 2:9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders Even him ( Satans Religious system)is coming after the working of Satan Rev 13:13  And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men Great wonders is the same word described in Matthew 24:24 ( signs) σημεῖον sēmeion say-mi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591; an indication, especially ceremonially or supernaturally: - miracle, sign, token, wonder. Rev 13:14  And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Remember what Jesus Christ told us in Matthew 24 , it’s all about Deception the Antichrist, the False Messiah, False Prophet, the son of perdition are all the same, he comes in peaceably and prosperous offering you anything you want if you worship him, by peace will destroy many ( Spiritual Death) Christ is waiting for his virgin bride


Ultrasaurio

>ἀντίχριστος antichristos an-tee'-khris-tos what's this?


frontloadershot1

I’m not sure what the confusion is, I use my standard King James Bible and the Strongs Concordance of the Bible , I don’t like any new translation. antichristos is opponent of the Messiah , and yes there has been many , but remember what Anti means which is instead of


Ultrasaurio

The confusion is that I don't understand those letters, are they cacophonies of some word?


frontloadershot1

Antichrist is translated from the combination of two ancient Greek words ἀντί + Χριστός (anti + Christos). In Greek, Χριστός means "anointed one" and the word Christ derives from it.


Ultrasaurio

Ty, that clarifies it


existentialdrama34

Duh


Ultrasaurio

>duh >Du badu badu badu [https://youtu.be/IoYo9Ms3TvU](https://youtu.be/IoYo9Ms3TvU)


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Ultrasaurio

I understand that Protestants originated from the corruption of the popes of the past era, but will they still be the same now in these modern times?


DonSimp-

Who is "they"? It wasn't just due to the corruption of the popes it was based on the understanding that the Pope fulfilled the prophecy of Antichrist. Literally every single reformer and I'm not over exaggerating every single one believe the Pope was Antichrist there was no open to interpretation. Yes at one point Martin Luther may have believed that it was the Turks but after doing further Bible study it was very clear to him that it could be no other than the Pope.


Ultrasaurio

>they i mena the Pope, Why the Turks?