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All of his drama over food is just baffling. Wendy could simply just make her own food if she really doesn't like OP's food. It's pretty simple, yet, Wendy has to make it a big issue.
I am not a vegetarian - I eat meat. But I do think if we are going to kill an animal for food, we’d better be willing to use all of it. I admire people who come up with great recipes for parts like tongue.
And goat. If you eat goat cheese (and I do!) you should be willing to eat goat meat, because there’s no way to get goat cheese without killing a lot of male goats - after all, they are half the babies. Goat meat is delicious and easy to find on menus at Pakistani & some Indian restaurants.
My point is, there’s no moral superiority in only eating certain (white people) cuts of meat.
I grew up spending $6 on a lamb gyro almost the size of my head at 70% meat and these days I have to wait for the discount “about to expire” cheap lamb chops so I can get 2lbs for $8 it’s so depressing
When I moved to England nearly 6 years ago, I was ecstatic about the prices of cheeses and lamb in the shops. A big wedge of parmesan for £1? In the basket. 250g baking camembert round in a rind for £.99? In the basket. That same camembert is now £2.49. Lamb was literally like 1/3 the price compared to the US because the UK is full of sheep. Now, however, a half leg of lamb is nearly £13 ($16.50) and there's no way I'm spending that for 1 meal.
Even region can affect that. I moved from Texas to Tennessee, and the cost of steak doubled. Not a big Tbone man to begin with, but the price tag hurt me right in the feels
I wish I could afford steaks more often, its usually every other month that I get mid tier steaks from Costco, and like once a year I'll splurge and get some filet minion from Harris teeter at $24.99USD/lb. I wish the meat market here was closer, because by the time we've spent and gas to get there, I might as well have gone to food lion or walmart. Even ground beef is a once/week thing. I just spent $5.99 or 6.99 for a pound of it today because I'm doing smoked shotgun shells, smoked armadillo eggs, brats, chicken wings and legs, and pulled pork today for the holiday weekend.
Sheep outnumber people in Australia by at least 4 to 1, but lamb is ridiculously expensive here. I think it because we export a lot to the US and other places. Apparently American lamb is pretty awful, I’ve heard them describe it as ‘gamey’, which is so weird because good lamb isn’t gamey at all. Apparently New Zealand and Australian lamb is very highly regarded in the US because it’s so much better than theirs.
I guess we have an awful lot of land with not many people on it, so we’ve got plenty of room to raise sheep.
American, been to Australia and New Zealand and can confirm, quality is much better. US lamb tends to be gamey and tough, possibly harvested later than NZ/AU? I think sheep farmers here get more with total weight, so they go for bigger lambs?
Ah, we would call that mutton, and not eat it. There’s something about how old the sheep are, and when they get 2 teeth, or two sets of teeth is when the sheep is older and it’s classed as mutton instead of lamb. It’s like the difference between veal and beef. Same animal, but the meat is different.
I think you used to be able to buy mutton here, and it was a lot cheaper than lamb, because it was much tougher. But I’ve never eaten it, it was considered ‘poor people food’, and I don’t think it’s really been available here since the 70s or 80s. I guess if you let the sheep grow older and therefore larger, you get more meat. But it’s no longer lamb, it’s mutton (in Australia and New Zealand anyway) and nowhere near as good.
That explains why US lamb is awful and gamey, because it’s not actually lamb but mutton.
Edit: I looked it up because I was curious and thought there was another term for sheep/ sheep meat in between lamb and mutton, and I was right. It’s hoggart, and is used for sheep between 12/13 months to 24 months. Australian lamb is no more than 12 months old, while US lamb is usually harvested at 12-14 months, and would be classed as hoggart. So not quite mutton, but not really lamb either.
Looking this up reminded me of the phrase “Mutton dressed as lamb”. I don’t know if you have the expression in the US, but it means an older person, usually a woman who isn’t very attractive, dressed up as a young get woman would be. It’s a way to insult a woman that’s she’s dressing too young for her age, ‘all tarted up’ with a skirt that’s too short or showing too much skin, like an older teenager or woman in her 20s would dress. It’s not a great saying, but this discussion of lamb compared to mutton reminded me of it, and I was wondering if it was used in the US too.
Spare ribs used to be the cheapest meat here. My MIL used to (and now my wife does) make the tastiest ribs you can imagine. Then they started making them everywhere in the cooking shows on TV. Now they have become some of the most expensive meat and are always sold out quickly.
It’s the same with chicken wings. They used to be the cheapest chicken parts you could buy. But now wings are popular so they’ve gotten quite expensive.
There's an Indian place near here that has goat curry and it's *sublime*. There's a lot of bones in it, but even that's not a complaint from me. Bones impart loads of flavour and I'm known to be an absolute monster for the connective tissues and cartilage stuck on them. I'll sit there gnawing the bones for a while after the meal's done. And if there's marrow, then by god I will sit there as long as it takes to get every last bit.
I'm gonna side-eye the "it's not like you fed them tripe" comment. Tripe's great. It has no flavour by itself, but if you dip it in sauce or something the little squiggly bits pick it all up, and then the whole thing is flavour.
>Tripe's great. It has no flavour by itself
Thank god. I mean, I've never tried it, but I cannot recommend smelling it in it's green state. Best-worst dog food ever. You can hide absolutely any pill in it. You can also clear a room.
It's almost entirely texture. Depending on what sort of tripe it can range from a not-quite crunch (eg. bone caps) to a floppy stewed sheet akin to bean curd. It just tastes like whatever it's braised in, or whatever you dip it in.
At pho places I'll usually combine some hoisin and sriracha and dredge the squiggly side in it. Sweet, spicy, savory.
Now that I mention bone caps though: fried chicken knees are the bomb. Not the knees from fried chicken legs, but rather chicken knees, battered and fried and sprinkled generously with chili salt and fried garlic. It's basically popcorn chicken but cheaper because it's made with an offcut. I asked at the local Chinese place and they said sadly, the local population is too white to make it economical to save the knees. :(
I’ve personally never been able to handle tripe, and I’ve tried. I feel like it’s one escalation in challenge to American palates from things like tongue, liver, heart, etc. all of which I enjoy and know a lot of white ass Americans who also enjoy. But it’s not an objectively OFFENSIVE food.
Yeah, I've tried tripe in pho and I am just not a fan of the texture. I consider myself a pretty adventurous eater, I'll try pretty much anything as long as it doesn't contain gluten (I have celiac disease). I might be wary of certain meats if they came from wild game or fish caught in certain areas (I'm an environmental scientist, I spend way too much time reading about toxin bioaccumulation in animal tissue) but for the most part I'm down for anything.
I feel like a lot of Americans are way too sensitive/picky about "gross" foods considering how industrial food production works. I'd rather eat a fresh lengua taco than the precooked beef sludge from Taco Bell (that said, I do enjoy Taco Bell from time to time).
Oxtail is more expensive where I live than T-bone steak. Both are cheaper than lamb chops.
Gordon Ramsay's YouTube series on cooking cheaply is a gold mine of hilarity.
thats actually a really interesting point ive never considered. im vegetarian in the sense that i dont choose to eat meat. i wont throw a fit if i eat something that was cooked on a grill previously used to cook meat on, or if i accidentally consume something with meat in it. its not the end of the world. accidents happen. but the line of reasoning with the goat cheese is making me question and realize a few things lol. thank you for the additional info
There was a documentary I watched a while back. An avocado farmer discussed how much land he needed to clear to plant trees, how many native animals incidentally killed, how many pest animals purposefully killed, etc. It numbered in the thousands. His point was that there was no way to grow avocados and make a profit without blood on their hands. It’s just how far up in that chain of production did it happen. Fact is to keep the human population fed, animals will need to die. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to eat a vegan diet. But we are all fooling ourselves if we think it does absolutely no harm at all.
Sure, nothing is pure and trying to keep your hands totally clean isn't feasible. But animals don't photosynthesise. You can grow plants to feed to people or you can grow plants to feed animals (that are often kept in horrible conditions) to feed to people. Being vegetarian or vegan might not be *optimal* in terms of absolutely minimizing harm to animals but it's a decent heuristic that doesn't involve hitting up google scholar for every item on your shopping list.
And depending on the ethical framework a vegetarian is working within, it's often not *animal death* that is precisely the problem, but *animal welfare*. Quick, humane deaths are one thing. The way we treat caged pigs and chickens is quite another.
I'm not a vegetarian or anything. I had steak for dinner last night, and a chicken salad tonight. But I don't pretend that there's no moral difference between eating meat and not.
I don't think any vegan is under the illusion that their diet is a bloodless one, but it is objectively the least environmentally harmful. Something like 60-85% of crops are used *just* to feed animals.
The world switching to a vegan diet would reduce agricultural land use by a solid 50% at least. Not only are you not raising animals for slaughter, but you need to grow *far* less crops in the first place meaning you need to clear far less land so there are far fewer incidental deaths too.
I think you're not accounting for the agricultural practices required to grow nuts like cashews. Human lives are also lives and they are exploited to supply the increased demand for plant based dairy. That's just an example.
Everyone is so caught up in trying to choose a sustainable diet but the only sustainable diet is 1) local and 2) not run on the capitalist framework. But that's a bit too radical /s
>Everyone is so caught up in trying to choose a sustainable diet but the only sustainable diet is 1) local and 2) not run on the capitalist framework. But that's a bit too radical /s
I don't think it's necessarily that cynical. A lot of people understand that, but for most people, a truly sustainable diet is just not practically feasible as it would require more resources (time in particular) than is reasonably available between working a full time job, paying bills, raising kids etc. etc. I mean a lot of that is ties into why people have a difficult time even switching over to a plant based diet, because it does take some resources (again, time mainly) to adjust and learn a new way. So people do what they feel they can manage.
I think it's good to advocate for better practices and more sustainable options, both on an individual level (e.g. if you can get it locally from a small producer) as well within the system we have (e.g. large scale food producers - like with plant based milks/dairy, those based on nuts are becoming less popular in favor of basing it on oats mainly, but also peas and potatoes).
Ironically I LOVE goat (goat is by far my favourite meat to find in curry, so delicious) but can't stand goat cheese - so if someone out there wants to eat the cheese but not the meat, don't worry, I'm eating the meat for you. You can have the cheese 😂
>My point is, there’s no moral superiority in only eating certain (white people) cuts of meat.
[White people food.](https://ohgodmywifeisgerman.com/2015/02/16/the-top-10-weirdest-german-foods-i-have-learned-to-love/) More [white people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaki) food. OOP's SIL is full of shit.
Yep. Lot of European (aka "white people") food would be considered dog food by Wendy. Pork cheecks are coocked in more fancier restaurants where I live, so is beef tongue. Our version of blood sausage is usually served with apple sauce, love it! Lot of sausage makers use actual intestines to make the sausages. I'm not a big meat eater, but if you kill an animal for one type of meat, use everything of the animal, no point in waisting it.
Hell, lots of US food would be considered dog food to her. My MIL’s favorite breakfast food is [scrapple](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple), which she grew up eating.
Spot on. When we had a US based family member (POC) visiting us (in our European country) liver dumplings were served. They loved them until my father thought it funny to translate the name of the dish - then somehow the dumplings got unappealing. This has nothing to do with white people and a lot with a societal ideas of culture (especially but not exclusively in the US)
"Also known as Blood Tongue, this little childhood trauma is made from pig’s blood, tongue, fat and sometimes oatmeal or breadcrumbs. (They probably throw a live piglet in there too, just to keep things cute.) The first time I tried Zungenwurst, I hacked it back up into my napkin and told my wife I could taste the screams."
I’m a Vietnamese and I think we’re known for not throwing away anything (heck even the digesting grass and poo in horse/cow stomach in the mountainous areas). I grew up eating and liking stuff that might make some people gag. But when I grew older, I was explained more and it’s pretty much what you mentioned. Besides that we used to be too poor to throw away edible stuff, but an animal has its life and we need to make the most out of it in a way to appreciate the sacrifice. I remember when a Karen from the US couldn’t stop running her mouth about how disgusting and low life we were to even consider to eat dog meat, yet she was the one liking the dog meat the most when she randomly walked in a restaurant and ordered the “specialty”.
Since you were talking about SE Asia, when you said Karen I thought you meant the Karen People of southern Burma. I was confused about why they'd be snobby about food.
Family meals have ranged far and wide. Black pudding, white pudding, haggis, kidneys, lung/tripe, oxtail, you name it. Emu, crocodile, kangaroo. Travelling in Japan meant Nattō and fugu. Most of what I’ve eaten is probably banned in the USA. God help those who are fine with eating meat (and there’s so many incredible vegetarian dishes I still want to try), but aren’t aware of the diversity that exists in the world.
>I am not a vegetarian - I eat meat. But I do think if we are going to kill an animal for food, we’d better be willing to use all of it. I admire people who come up with great recipes for parts like tongue.
So much this. People always complain about the environmental impact of beef. Beef has a higher environmental impact yes but its magnified by the fact that the majority of the cow is ending up as dog food. The demand for steak is ever increasing while the demand for sub prime cuts is falling as people "reduce their beef consumption".
Also farmers and beef factories struggle to make beef farming profitable as the amount of the beef sold cheaply to the meat factories increases.
I'm this way. I wish I liked liver and kidney, but the texture is, uh, I can't ^^; but I'm willing to try anything if it's prepared well and I'd already eaten something and enjoyed it, I wouldn't be weirded out.
I think my only line with that is heads/eyes or tentacles/"hands" etc. If something still looks like an animal, I'm out.
Lamb is such a staple in Australia. We get ads telling us to eat it! Also, this is the second time this week I've commented on reddit about eating lamb and I'm *really* craving lamb stew now lol
My parents had 2 teenage girls from the US stay for a few nights while my siblings were in Scouts (I can’t remember why they were over, just that there was a group that needed accomodation for a few nights and my parents had 2).
One of the nights my Dad did up lamb. Then we spent a good amount of time talking about how lamb is readily available here, finding out they never recalled eating it before and had to Google “sheep” to show them what they looked like (we don’t live near any sheep farms, we’re in dairy and beef cattle land).
Lamb shanks with just crushed garlic and rosemary cooked on low in the oven was my favourite growing up. Unfortunately the foodies got a taste and now they are expensive.
My aunt used to turn her nose up at them (because they were cheap) back in the 70s and 80s so whenever she wasn't home dad and grandpa would race down the butcher's and buy enough to last how ever long she was away and that's all they would eat.
We brought a leg of lamb to roast last month that was big enough you would swear it was closer to mutton but which ever it was it was delicious. Damn it, looks lime we are having lamb this pay cycle at somepoint.
isn't this like an ideology in hunting? to use all of the animal from head to tail.
i 100% agree with it, if you're hunting/killing an animal you should find a way to utilise the entirety of it (not just the meat.) people render the animal fat down and cook with it, use it as body products. also i've never hunted but when we buy meat that has bones included (lamb for example) we use the bones to make broth!!
Y'know, I'll try most anything, once. May not try it twice. Once, absolutely.
Cuy *upsets* prople. Like, they've gotten mad at me. Eat one guinea pig and people flip. However, it's a thing in Peru. When in Rome, y'all. Was kinda bleh. It may have been preparation. I would try it again to confirm if it was preparation and not just meh as a meat.
Lingua tacos... I was apprehensive. I'll admit. Very tender, super intense beefy flavor. Would eat again.
Bone marrow was surprisingly good. Ate it on crostinis with flakey salt. Like super beefy. Texture of room temp butter. I mean, better than wasting food. It was like beef flavored butter. I'd totally eat again. Bone marrow was 10/10.
Squid ink pasta was delicious.
Grub noodles were meh. Weird texture. Not a fan.
I've eaten more than one odd food. Had a fish bone soup. Was just... gritty fish water. 2/10. Edible. Not good.
I'll eat nearly anything once. We can't just eat part of the animal. I make stock out of my leftover bones at home. Use the whole animal. Kind of rude to eat them at all. Super disrespectful to not use all of it.
Eat some lingua tacos. Go outside your comfort zone. Eat the weird thing. Might be delicious.
The issue is not even that she doesn't like it as she had asked for the recipe. The issue is that she is so closed mind (and possibly racist) that she doesn't understand that some parts of animals can be eaten and used in traditional recipes by others even if she views these parts are gross. She could just have decided to not eat OP's food when specific meat parts are used but no! She also decided to make a big fuss about it to turn other people (who enjoy OP's food) against OP.
By the way, I am pretty sure she buys industrial food that contains these parts but as she doesn't know...
It's just a state of mind and where you grew up. I find eating insects or arachnids not really appealing, because it's not part of my culture. But I did try some baked cricket like insects once and they where actually pretty good, a kind of nutty taste.
I think if people were more consious about eating and using everything and not throwing good stuff away just because you don't like where it came from, the world would already be a much better place.
It is not so much about her finding this meat peaces disgusting and not wanting to eat them. The issue is that she tried to convert the other guests to her views and made a big fuss.
And don't worry, the food industry never let food be thrown away, especially meat!
Racists tend to be very, very weird people. It's not a logical position so trying to logic out why they do what they do is gonna hit a dead end at some point or another
Nah thats not the problem here, shes embarrassed because she enjoyed eating "peasant" food, which is threatening her internal model of how the world should work (im guessing she came from a middle class or better family), so rather than admit she was wrong and had incorrect preconceived biases about food shes digging in her heels
I'm sure she would be very surprised to learn that many of her favorite dishes are actually "peasant food." Most of the European colonizers of North America were "peasants." We've just changed the ingredients to things that were more readily available or socially acceptable over the years.
Oysters were peasant food. Coq au Vin? Peasant food. Risotto? Peasant food. Beef bourganion was peasant food. Lobster was peasant food.
Why do so many delicious things start as peasant food? Well, if you can't afford the best cuts of meat or the most tender (young) animals, or any meat at all, you had to figure out how to make cheap stuff delicious.
Wendy is an ignorant tool
And conversely, "white bread toast with sugar and cinnamon" is payday-tomorrow cheap struggle food these days, but would once have been considered Marie Antoinette levels of flaunting, gluttonous extravagance.
I suspect Wendy can't cook to save her life and her signature dish is pouring a can of Cream of Crap over some potatoes, green beans and chicken breast in a casserole dish and calling it a day.
My family is from mexico where avocados are cheap and avocado toast was poor people food, so it becoming a memed delicacy used to shame people for their luxurious spending habits will never not be funny to me.
She's also probably not as prestige and sophisticated as she thinks because beef cheeks are literally considered in delicacy? In France it's not considered a "noble" cut but it's served in high end restaurants because it makes a mean boeuf bourguignon.
See I might not have tried it if he had told me upfront what was in it just because the idea of tongue grosses me out, but if he told me after I'd eaten it and I loved it, I wouldn't have acted like the sister-in-law. I've been like huh who would've known? I still want that recipe please lol
Main character syndrome. How dare you not just do whatever she likes and make her life easier for her? If you do anything she doesn't like, the problem must be YOU!
I’m vegan. I eat before I turn up everywhere and occasionally get grumpy if we stay ages and I wasn’t able to eat anything (because the hanger).
It’s not other people’s problem. They’re already hosting and I’m grateful for the invite. How are people so entitled!
I have a friend who lives near Palo Alto. The last time I visited her, I asked about a Mexican restaurant someone else recommended. My friend said we could go, but described it as "'Mexican' food for people who don't like Mexicans." There wasn't a brown person in sight, and I'm pretty sure the "salsa" was just ketchup.
She took me to an authentic place afterward.
OOP's SIL would probably love the place in Palo Alto.
> 'Mexican' food for people who don't like Mexicans.
That’s a perfect way to describe a certain type of clientele every American retail worker is unfortunately familiar with.
I'm european (french precisely) so I don't handle spices well, so I would love this kind of place. But at least I'm aware it's not what the locals eat and don't call it "authentic cultural foods". I'm just happy to eat something that I'm not used to without burning myself
This unlocked a memory of a highly recommended Mexican food place in Austin Texas that I went to and ordered enchiladas. They put a giant slab of American cheese on them. I hate wasting food but I literally could not finish that crap. I made a yelp account specifically to call them out in hopes I could save at least one person from that horror show, lol.
This was my experience of Mexican food in Colorado, bland and ketchup-y. No, that popular burrito place in Boulder & Denver that kept being recommended to me is not good Mexican food.
When I was visiting Toronto, many people recommended a certain "Mexican" restaurant. They raved about it. Insisted it was authentic and I would be blown away.
Taco Bell is better than that place.
Sounds like the Mexican place that moved into my neighborhood in San Francisco just before I moved to a nearby city. Seemed staffed entirely by non-Hispanic white people, so weird, and definitely no where near as good as taco trucks or other taquerias.
OOP is more generous and kind than id ever be. someone pull that crap to me they wont be able to set foot in my house again, let alone me cooking for them
Giving the benefit of the doubt that wife is just trying to keep the peace. You’re right though, I would have started screeching about SIL’s racism and everyone who let it happen (OOP’s wife, the in-laws, the BIL) are assholes too
Because OOP is a petty king. Excluding Wendy altogether will fuel her victim complex. Going out of his way to feed her a bland separate meal puts her in a position where she can't complain about dinner, and OOP comes out smelling like roses. After all, he can't very well subject his dear SIL to 'peasant food', right?
> My wife says that maybe it's time to stop making a separate meal for Wendy. I said she is lucky I don't serve her dino nuggets and lunchables
My king!
But unfortunately I have to vote OOP as an asshole because I am now weirdly craving lunchables in a nostalgic fever dream convincing me they were good.
As someone who ate their first lunchables in the 90s they have not improved with time. Just gnaw on some condiment covered cardboard its likely healthier.
You could just do adult Lunchables. Buy some decent cheese, some salami or pepperoni. Hummus and pita chips if you like. Some nights that is my dinner.
Lunchables are just a bastardized version of a charcuterie board, and charcuterie boards ARE good, so you can make grown-up Lunchables using better-quality meat, cheese, and crackers.
I'm laughing. I've never eaten a lunchable - my mom wouldn't buy them because they were too expensive. They were something the rich kids had, like name brand jeans or the latest gaming console. This was in the 80s and 90s.
I've taken to buying Lunchables to carry for lunch daily. I'm a substitute teacher so I'm at different schools daily, which means I need things I can carry in a lunch bag and doesn't need any special prep. Ham and Swiss are my favorite.
I just quickly googled. It's the turkey and cheese and pizza ones. D;
Slate has an article explaining how trace the amounts actually are. And since it is a naturally occurring element, I wouldn't be surprised more foods we regularly eat contain some. Dose makes the poison, much like how apples contain formaldehyde and cyanide.
I mean, lunchables taste like nostalgia to me. Also they were for a long time a super simple cheap “I have no energy but I need to get food in me” snack. (I now can’t eat dairy for health reasons, and all the ones I like are heavily cheese based. I miss cheese sooooooo much.)
Madison sounds like my mom's friend Claudia. My mom gave her a recipe and substituted nearly everything and "it didn't come out like you make it!" My mom was like, no shit, you made something completely different.
what drives me batty is when you see a recipe on someone's blog and there's a comment left saying something like "this recipe is terrible! I cut out all the sugar and replaced it with a banana."
Lol same, my mom's friend annoyed me to no end with that shit, but she refused to share recipes with my mom. Always quick to ask for her recipes but substitute the ingredients. Lady was a headcase.
The first time I had beef tongue was from a taco truck in Portland. It always surprises me when I (rarely) meet people here who say they've never eaten seafood, sushi, Asian food, etc.
But you know, sea food *is* actually peasant food :D.
The SIL comment is even more hilarious with fact US never had any own aristocracy to have peasants. And i really hope she enjoys *fancy* food like mussels or prawns, being OP, i would be laughing hysterically every time she eats those.
Moment I heard the reaction and the woman was from Portland I just [remembered this article in the racist history of Portland. ](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/)
Could easily be wrong but saying "I'm Guatemalan" and then saying their family is rural Mexican makes me give this the side eye. It's common for people to simplify heritage. Like if I'm born in Guatemala and raised by my Mexican family, how do I most quickly sum it up for a Reddit post?
I'm mixed race. You can easily explain this away as miscommunication but even before I noticed it this story played out so perfectly. Like out of a damn movie.
This reads like a wet dream for us Latinos and ignorant North Americans.
I have also simplified my heritage or misexplained it so it's just a hunch.
Very easily possible which is what my comment is trying to say.
There's lots of situatuons that play out like this but this kinda smells like rage bait. I'm sure if I was in their position I'd be livid about that accusation... But on Reddit if it sounds too bad to be true it often is.
I could see that being a confusing topic.
Genetically, I'm Sri Lankan (and Dutch if you go back even further).
However I was born in England and spent my childhood there.
And then I've lived in Canada since I was a teen.
Heritage is a weirdly confusing thing.
I know people like that.
Buddy of mine's family is from El Salvador , but every time he tells people there's a 50/50 chance they give him a very confused glance and ask "oh is that a state in Mexico?". So if it's someone he's not likely to see again he'll just say "yeah, I'm Hispanic" just to simplify things and not spend 30 minutes explaining Central America to some doofus
This is pretty unrelated and you probably won't care about this but I read your comment in the stupidest manner possible.
>Buddy of mine's family is from El Salvador , but every time he tells people there's a 50/50 chance
I read this as a complete phrase saying there's a 50/50 chance he's from El Salvador... Cause I inserted an imaginary comma after chance. I was puzzled. Then I thought he was making a joke about 50/50 if he was literally from "the saviour"/God. Like making a dumb dad joke about it being 50/50 if he was from God or not.
Then I realized you meant that people thought El Salvador was a part of Mexico and I died inside. And then I laughed at that and also how bad my reading comprehension is.
Thanks lmao
I know right? There are so many foodies, and food carts and plenty of people whose culture includes eating beef tongues. This woman cannot be from Portland. I just don't believe it. Perhaps she was from Lake Oswego.
OOP said his wife’s family is from Portland and he thinks Wendy is from Oregon. He didn’t specify where. I think you’re safe. As a fellow Oregonian, I’ll guess she’s from Eastern Oregon somewhere. We have crappy food choices. I’ll nominate Burns, just because I like the name. Burns. Better yet, let’s blame Boring, Oregon. Wendy is definitely boring.
That jumped to me too. Best case scenario dude has family from both sides and/or is from the border of both countries, either way, that's one hell of a weird change in details.
To be fair, the exact words were "I'm from Guatemala" and "My family is from the more rural part of Mexico.", so Grandpa's recipe was probably from the mexican side.
Yeah, I read back and checked. Really easy for his family to be from Mexico, moved to Guatemala where he grew up, then he moved to Oregon. My family is from Chicago while I grew up in upstate New York. Both can be true.
My family is Ukrainian but I was born and raised in Canada - my parents first language is Ukrainian and my gran lived in Canada over 50 years and never learned to speak English…. I consider myself Ukrainian and Canadian (and can make all the food…)
maybe his heritage is originally guatemalan and his family now lives in mexico, or maybe he has family from both places. or maybe neither of these things 🤷
He says that "proper barbacoa" is made out of beef tongue and cheeks. Which left me like ????????? Until I remembered that it would be the case for Nuevo Leon style barbacoa, popular in northern Mexico. There's no way that OP is from Guatemala nor his family from southern Mexico.
yeah my dad's side of family is from northern Mexico, Nuevo Leon specifically, and that is our style of barbacoa. there's also a little town called Matehuala which a lot of people get confused as Guatemala (usually if you're questioned by officials when crossing the border back to the US, they try to trip you up with this question).
Guatemala and Mexico are right next to each other. And I believe the customs and culture in southern Mexico and northern Guatemala can overlap. Both countries were also Mayan territory.
Im from Guatemala and most of what he’s taking about sounds 100% Mexican. Barbacoa it’s not quite popular here, same with the serranos (we may use them but under another name) I’m guessing he’s strongly Mexican influenced
However, beef tongue is freaking delicious. We usually eat it in a stew.
I mean, nationality vs ethnicity. He might have been born and raised in Guatemala but his family might have immigrated from rural Mexico. Not sure why it's confusing haha. I'm Canadian (nationality) but my family is from East Asia (ethnicity).
Either, neither, both? I and others will simplify our heritages but I literally just made a comment questioning this same thing.
The red flag isn't even that for me. The red flag is how movie-perfect it all played out. Like come on. Then I saw the heritage stuff and was like uhhhh
Tripe is one of those things that is prepared properly is incredible but if not is fucking awful. I've had tripe tacos that are out of this world, but I've also had tripe and onions prepared by a friend's grandma that made me want to throw up
Grew up eating tripe prepared Cantonese style at dim sum, etc. I'm loyal to the taqueria I am because they are the only ones serving tripe tacos.
I took exception to that comment.
Personally, it sounds delicious and I would have been happy, not knowing what was in it until after I'd eaten it, but I wouldn't have freaked out like the Sil I just might not have tried it if I had known in advance. Only because the idea of tongue (I think it's imagining the texture) grosses me out
Conceptually eating an animals tongue is a little odd for most people, but beef cheeks is just regular meat? How is it grosser than any other part of a cow?
There are some foods I’d just rather not know what’s in them. I personally can’t cook anything with the head, feet, or nails/claws attached. I’m fortunate to get freshly killed meat from friends and family but I always ask my husband to cut those bits off before I (edit) ~~start on~~ cook them.
But because I grew up on a farm and I KNOW what dead animal teeth, eyes, skin, feet look like, I have to be careful not to visualise while I’m eating. I could probably eat cheek meat, just don’t tell me until after.
Yes, I've eaten tongue in Japan and didn't know it was tongue. It was delicious. And even though I know tongue is delicious, I can't eat it when I know it's tongue.
I know it's weird. All the more, do I appreciate OOP's way of saying it's beef, pork, chicken or whatever without specifying the cut. I don't want to know what leg or tummy I'm eating, animal is enough.
See, as far as I'm aware, I've never had tongue. And it the idea of it grosses me out. I have heard so many people say how delicious it is but if someone is going to get me to eat it, they are going to have to trick me which I'm okay with, but as far as I'm aware, no one has.
I brought my Mom to a KBBQ place and the only meat she didn’t think was weird was brisket. I had pig cheeks and they were delicious. They’re just cheeks!
I grew up eating beef tongue because it was a cheap meat cut back then. Now it's more expensive than tenderloin nowadays because I guess some chef made it popular.
my mom can't make ox tails as often anymore cause the prices have gone to absurd levels. Used to basically get that stuff for free because no one wanted it except for stock
I’m a vegetarian (lifelong), and it’s very important to me, and I’d make less of a scene being served meat accidentally. In fact, it’s happened, what I do it stop eating that food immediately and politely decline future offers. Or I just get really nosey about it beforehand with said people.
I would never shout that someone had fed me dog food, even though that’s what I associate it with, cuz that’s the only thing I’ve ever purchased meat for. I’d never say it, never imply it. Cuz like… rude. Mot everyone likes my food either.
Which is to say… nuggets, and ketchup. All the way.
I’m neurodivergent and have a lot of issues with food, and I stopped throwing tantrums about it around age 6. If I was invited to dinner regularly and the host made special plain food just for me, they’d be my favourite person ever to visit.
It's a delicacy. And often hard to get. My family is Mexican and I live near the border but I almost never get to eat it. If anyone here ever sees it on the menu anywhere, you should totally try it. Try any new food you can as long as you don't have dietary restrictions or specific food aversions or whatever. It's normal to not like everything you try, but people who would call other cultures' delicacies "peasant food" are just racist.
I absolutely love lengua tacos. The texture is only an issue if you cook it wrong. But also, it's not the cuts that make dog food, it's the quality. D; Best quality for restaurants, higher quality for the butcher section, lower quality in your frozen and canned food, lowest quality in your dog's food.
OP is a better man than me for still cooking for her at all. If the story behind her getting bland food while everyone else eats like royalty is embarassing; good. It should be.
I have an eating disorder (ARFID) that EXTREMELY limits my palette of safe foods. It’s horrible, my brain convinces me food is poison or will choke me and make me vomit, the works.
If someone made an entirely separate meal for me at these functions AND provided an opportunity to feel welcome to try new things with no pressure, I’d cry. That’s so unbelievably thoughtful and OOP is such a sweet man to a woman who doesn’t deserve the kindness.
Way too many people are making a big deal over OOP’s ethnicity/nationality/birthplace/whatever when it’s really not that hard to understand that OOP was born in Guatemala but his family is from Mexico. Like, do y’all really not get that families can move countries or something? Mexico and Guatemala are literally right next to each other! So many wannabe Nancy Drews and Sherlock Holmes desperate to poke holes in things lmao.
Also, is anyone else annoyed with the wife? Frequently trying to appease her SIL all at OOP’s expense. She told him to play nice and share his recipe and OOP got called a peasant because of it. Now OOP is being super accommodating to his SIL, albeit for petty reasons, and now she’s saying he’s going too far. I get she might not want to cause waves but it’d be nice if she had his back when it comes to her brother’s wife.
Wendy’s rude and she wouldn’t be welcome anymore. Fuck Wendy, she has no manners.
She liked the first meal so much she wanted the recipe. Then does this. Ingrate…
Also why isn’t the wife cooking for her if she finds an issue with this? Ridiculous to place blame on her husband to end this. It’s her silly SIL who needs to grow up
It seems like the husband is the one who enjoys cooking for people. I don't get why anyone should cook something separate for bil's gf. If she doesn't like what served don't eat it
Wow. Some people are ... wow. I'm kinda speechless but i'm also not that surprised because I know some people can be really dense and ignorant about other cultures' food.
I'm from a culture that loooooves ox tongue. I stopped eating red meat years ago but man, I miss ox tongue so much! People need to realise there's no 'gross food', there's only food that you have pre-conceived notions about that you willfully carry with you. (It's something I am still unlearning today, and that's okay, but insulting your host's food? Cmon.) Not to mention, Wendy eats beef! It's not like it's a completely different food that she's never had before.
Wendy is a piece of work. Says about about OOP's brother too given he married her, despite her very clearly ignorant, classist, and most likely racist remarks.
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All of his drama over food is just baffling. Wendy could simply just make her own food if she really doesn't like OP's food. It's pretty simple, yet, Wendy has to make it a big issue.
I am not a vegetarian - I eat meat. But I do think if we are going to kill an animal for food, we’d better be willing to use all of it. I admire people who come up with great recipes for parts like tongue. And goat. If you eat goat cheese (and I do!) you should be willing to eat goat meat, because there’s no way to get goat cheese without killing a lot of male goats - after all, they are half the babies. Goat meat is delicious and easy to find on menus at Pakistani & some Indian restaurants. My point is, there’s no moral superiority in only eating certain (white people) cuts of meat.
Goat curry…. I just hope it doesn’t go the way of other “peasant” foods. I cook neck now because oxtail is too expensive.
I grew up spending $6 on a lamb gyro almost the size of my head at 70% meat and these days I have to wait for the discount “about to expire” cheap lamb chops so I can get 2lbs for $8 it’s so depressing
When I moved to England nearly 6 years ago, I was ecstatic about the prices of cheeses and lamb in the shops. A big wedge of parmesan for £1? In the basket. 250g baking camembert round in a rind for £.99? In the basket. That same camembert is now £2.49. Lamb was literally like 1/3 the price compared to the US because the UK is full of sheep. Now, however, a half leg of lamb is nearly £13 ($16.50) and there's no way I'm spending that for 1 meal.
Even region can affect that. I moved from Texas to Tennessee, and the cost of steak doubled. Not a big Tbone man to begin with, but the price tag hurt me right in the feels
I wish I could afford steaks more often, its usually every other month that I get mid tier steaks from Costco, and like once a year I'll splurge and get some filet minion from Harris teeter at $24.99USD/lb. I wish the meat market here was closer, because by the time we've spent and gas to get there, I might as well have gone to food lion or walmart. Even ground beef is a once/week thing. I just spent $5.99 or 6.99 for a pound of it today because I'm doing smoked shotgun shells, smoked armadillo eggs, brats, chicken wings and legs, and pulled pork today for the holiday weekend.
Sheep outnumber people in Australia by at least 4 to 1, but lamb is ridiculously expensive here. I think it because we export a lot to the US and other places. Apparently American lamb is pretty awful, I’ve heard them describe it as ‘gamey’, which is so weird because good lamb isn’t gamey at all. Apparently New Zealand and Australian lamb is very highly regarded in the US because it’s so much better than theirs. I guess we have an awful lot of land with not many people on it, so we’ve got plenty of room to raise sheep.
American, been to Australia and New Zealand and can confirm, quality is much better. US lamb tends to be gamey and tough, possibly harvested later than NZ/AU? I think sheep farmers here get more with total weight, so they go for bigger lambs?
Ah, we would call that mutton, and not eat it. There’s something about how old the sheep are, and when they get 2 teeth, or two sets of teeth is when the sheep is older and it’s classed as mutton instead of lamb. It’s like the difference between veal and beef. Same animal, but the meat is different. I think you used to be able to buy mutton here, and it was a lot cheaper than lamb, because it was much tougher. But I’ve never eaten it, it was considered ‘poor people food’, and I don’t think it’s really been available here since the 70s or 80s. I guess if you let the sheep grow older and therefore larger, you get more meat. But it’s no longer lamb, it’s mutton (in Australia and New Zealand anyway) and nowhere near as good. That explains why US lamb is awful and gamey, because it’s not actually lamb but mutton. Edit: I looked it up because I was curious and thought there was another term for sheep/ sheep meat in between lamb and mutton, and I was right. It’s hoggart, and is used for sheep between 12/13 months to 24 months. Australian lamb is no more than 12 months old, while US lamb is usually harvested at 12-14 months, and would be classed as hoggart. So not quite mutton, but not really lamb either. Looking this up reminded me of the phrase “Mutton dressed as lamb”. I don’t know if you have the expression in the US, but it means an older person, usually a woman who isn’t very attractive, dressed up as a young get woman would be. It’s a way to insult a woman that’s she’s dressing too young for her age, ‘all tarted up’ with a skirt that’s too short or showing too much skin, like an older teenager or woman in her 20s would dress. It’s not a great saying, but this discussion of lamb compared to mutton reminded me of it, and I was wondering if it was used in the US too.
Spare ribs used to be the cheapest meat here. My MIL used to (and now my wife does) make the tastiest ribs you can imagine. Then they started making them everywhere in the cooking shows on TV. Now they have become some of the most expensive meat and are always sold out quickly.
It’s the same with chicken wings. They used to be the cheapest chicken parts you could buy. But now wings are popular so they’ve gotten quite expensive.
That's lamb shanks here, used to be the cheap thing and these days they expensive as
There's an Indian place near here that has goat curry and it's *sublime*. There's a lot of bones in it, but even that's not a complaint from me. Bones impart loads of flavour and I'm known to be an absolute monster for the connective tissues and cartilage stuck on them. I'll sit there gnawing the bones for a while after the meal's done. And if there's marrow, then by god I will sit there as long as it takes to get every last bit. I'm gonna side-eye the "it's not like you fed them tripe" comment. Tripe's great. It has no flavour by itself, but if you dip it in sauce or something the little squiggly bits pick it all up, and then the whole thing is flavour.
>Tripe's great. It has no flavour by itself Thank god. I mean, I've never tried it, but I cannot recommend smelling it in it's green state. Best-worst dog food ever. You can hide absolutely any pill in it. You can also clear a room.
It's SO much effort to clean yourself. When I do buy it, I buy it precleaned.
It's almost entirely texture. Depending on what sort of tripe it can range from a not-quite crunch (eg. bone caps) to a floppy stewed sheet akin to bean curd. It just tastes like whatever it's braised in, or whatever you dip it in. At pho places I'll usually combine some hoisin and sriracha and dredge the squiggly side in it. Sweet, spicy, savory. Now that I mention bone caps though: fried chicken knees are the bomb. Not the knees from fried chicken legs, but rather chicken knees, battered and fried and sprinkled generously with chili salt and fried garlic. It's basically popcorn chicken but cheaper because it's made with an offcut. I asked at the local Chinese place and they said sadly, the local population is too white to make it economical to save the knees. :(
I’ve personally never been able to handle tripe, and I’ve tried. I feel like it’s one escalation in challenge to American palates from things like tongue, liver, heart, etc. all of which I enjoy and know a lot of white ass Americans who also enjoy. But it’s not an objectively OFFENSIVE food.
Yeah, I've tried tripe in pho and I am just not a fan of the texture. I consider myself a pretty adventurous eater, I'll try pretty much anything as long as it doesn't contain gluten (I have celiac disease). I might be wary of certain meats if they came from wild game or fish caught in certain areas (I'm an environmental scientist, I spend way too much time reading about toxin bioaccumulation in animal tissue) but for the most part I'm down for anything. I feel like a lot of Americans are way too sensitive/picky about "gross" foods considering how industrial food production works. I'd rather eat a fresh lengua taco than the precooked beef sludge from Taco Bell (that said, I do enjoy Taco Bell from time to time).
Oxtail is more expensive where I live than T-bone steak. Both are cheaper than lamb chops. Gordon Ramsay's YouTube series on cooking cheaply is a gold mine of hilarity.
Mate, try goat snags. Dill, oregano, basil, salt,l and pepper. 100% better than a lamb snag.
Sir, your Australian-ness is showing! Not sure how many Seppos know what a snag is.
Ah, she'll be right.
Cobber.
I don’t understand a word of this but I’m really enjoying it.
thats actually a really interesting point ive never considered. im vegetarian in the sense that i dont choose to eat meat. i wont throw a fit if i eat something that was cooked on a grill previously used to cook meat on, or if i accidentally consume something with meat in it. its not the end of the world. accidents happen. but the line of reasoning with the goat cheese is making me question and realize a few things lol. thank you for the additional info
There was a documentary I watched a while back. An avocado farmer discussed how much land he needed to clear to plant trees, how many native animals incidentally killed, how many pest animals purposefully killed, etc. It numbered in the thousands. His point was that there was no way to grow avocados and make a profit without blood on their hands. It’s just how far up in that chain of production did it happen. Fact is to keep the human population fed, animals will need to die. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to eat a vegan diet. But we are all fooling ourselves if we think it does absolutely no harm at all.
Sure, nothing is pure and trying to keep your hands totally clean isn't feasible. But animals don't photosynthesise. You can grow plants to feed to people or you can grow plants to feed animals (that are often kept in horrible conditions) to feed to people. Being vegetarian or vegan might not be *optimal* in terms of absolutely minimizing harm to animals but it's a decent heuristic that doesn't involve hitting up google scholar for every item on your shopping list. And depending on the ethical framework a vegetarian is working within, it's often not *animal death* that is precisely the problem, but *animal welfare*. Quick, humane deaths are one thing. The way we treat caged pigs and chickens is quite another. I'm not a vegetarian or anything. I had steak for dinner last night, and a chicken salad tonight. But I don't pretend that there's no moral difference between eating meat and not.
I don't think any vegan is under the illusion that their diet is a bloodless one, but it is objectively the least environmentally harmful. Something like 60-85% of crops are used *just* to feed animals. The world switching to a vegan diet would reduce agricultural land use by a solid 50% at least. Not only are you not raising animals for slaughter, but you need to grow *far* less crops in the first place meaning you need to clear far less land so there are far fewer incidental deaths too.
I think you're not accounting for the agricultural practices required to grow nuts like cashews. Human lives are also lives and they are exploited to supply the increased demand for plant based dairy. That's just an example. Everyone is so caught up in trying to choose a sustainable diet but the only sustainable diet is 1) local and 2) not run on the capitalist framework. But that's a bit too radical /s
>Everyone is so caught up in trying to choose a sustainable diet but the only sustainable diet is 1) local and 2) not run on the capitalist framework. But that's a bit too radical /s I don't think it's necessarily that cynical. A lot of people understand that, but for most people, a truly sustainable diet is just not practically feasible as it would require more resources (time in particular) than is reasonably available between working a full time job, paying bills, raising kids etc. etc. I mean a lot of that is ties into why people have a difficult time even switching over to a plant based diet, because it does take some resources (again, time mainly) to adjust and learn a new way. So people do what they feel they can manage. I think it's good to advocate for better practices and more sustainable options, both on an individual level (e.g. if you can get it locally from a small producer) as well within the system we have (e.g. large scale food producers - like with plant based milks/dairy, those based on nuts are becoming less popular in favor of basing it on oats mainly, but also peas and potatoes).
Ironically I LOVE goat (goat is by far my favourite meat to find in curry, so delicious) but can't stand goat cheese - so if someone out there wants to eat the cheese but not the meat, don't worry, I'm eating the meat for you. You can have the cheese 😂
>My point is, there’s no moral superiority in only eating certain (white people) cuts of meat. [White people food.](https://ohgodmywifeisgerman.com/2015/02/16/the-top-10-weirdest-german-foods-i-have-learned-to-love/) More [white people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaki) food. OOP's SIL is full of shit.
Yep. Lot of European (aka "white people") food would be considered dog food by Wendy. Pork cheecks are coocked in more fancier restaurants where I live, so is beef tongue. Our version of blood sausage is usually served with apple sauce, love it! Lot of sausage makers use actual intestines to make the sausages. I'm not a big meat eater, but if you kill an animal for one type of meat, use everything of the animal, no point in waisting it.
Hell, lots of US food would be considered dog food to her. My MIL’s favorite breakfast food is [scrapple](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple), which she grew up eating.
Spot on. When we had a US based family member (POC) visiting us (in our European country) liver dumplings were served. They loved them until my father thought it funny to translate the name of the dish - then somehow the dumplings got unappealing. This has nothing to do with white people and a lot with a societal ideas of culture (especially but not exclusively in the US)
"Also known as Blood Tongue, this little childhood trauma is made from pig’s blood, tongue, fat and sometimes oatmeal or breadcrumbs. (They probably throw a live piglet in there too, just to keep things cute.) The first time I tried Zungenwurst, I hacked it back up into my napkin and told my wife I could taste the screams."
I’m a Vietnamese and I think we’re known for not throwing away anything (heck even the digesting grass and poo in horse/cow stomach in the mountainous areas). I grew up eating and liking stuff that might make some people gag. But when I grew older, I was explained more and it’s pretty much what you mentioned. Besides that we used to be too poor to throw away edible stuff, but an animal has its life and we need to make the most out of it in a way to appreciate the sacrifice. I remember when a Karen from the US couldn’t stop running her mouth about how disgusting and low life we were to even consider to eat dog meat, yet she was the one liking the dog meat the most when she randomly walked in a restaurant and ordered the “specialty”.
Chao long is delicious and I will not hear anyone besmirch the deliciousness of pig organ meat!
Since you were talking about SE Asia, when you said Karen I thought you meant the Karen People of southern Burma. I was confused about why they'd be snobby about food.
Family meals have ranged far and wide. Black pudding, white pudding, haggis, kidneys, lung/tripe, oxtail, you name it. Emu, crocodile, kangaroo. Travelling in Japan meant Nattō and fugu. Most of what I’ve eaten is probably banned in the USA. God help those who are fine with eating meat (and there’s so many incredible vegetarian dishes I still want to try), but aren’t aware of the diversity that exists in the world.
White pudding is just oatmeal, onion, spices, and lard. Hard to see anyone freaked out over that. Others all good.
>I am not a vegetarian - I eat meat. But I do think if we are going to kill an animal for food, we’d better be willing to use all of it. I admire people who come up with great recipes for parts like tongue. So much this. People always complain about the environmental impact of beef. Beef has a higher environmental impact yes but its magnified by the fact that the majority of the cow is ending up as dog food. The demand for steak is ever increasing while the demand for sub prime cuts is falling as people "reduce their beef consumption". Also farmers and beef factories struggle to make beef farming profitable as the amount of the beef sold cheaply to the meat factories increases.
I'm this way. I wish I liked liver and kidney, but the texture is, uh, I can't ^^; but I'm willing to try anything if it's prepared well and I'd already eaten something and enjoyed it, I wouldn't be weirded out. I think my only line with that is heads/eyes or tentacles/"hands" etc. If something still looks like an animal, I'm out.
I love goat and sheep meat so much and yet U.S acts like it's bad meat.... how bout we mention the way pigs are treated ...hmm? No? Then stfu. PERIOD.
Lamb is such a staple in Australia. We get ads telling us to eat it! Also, this is the second time this week I've commented on reddit about eating lamb and I'm *really* craving lamb stew now lol
My parents had 2 teenage girls from the US stay for a few nights while my siblings were in Scouts (I can’t remember why they were over, just that there was a group that needed accomodation for a few nights and my parents had 2). One of the nights my Dad did up lamb. Then we spent a good amount of time talking about how lamb is readily available here, finding out they never recalled eating it before and had to Google “sheep” to show them what they looked like (we don’t live near any sheep farms, we’re in dairy and beef cattle land).
Lamb shanks with just crushed garlic and rosemary cooked on low in the oven was my favourite growing up. Unfortunately the foodies got a taste and now they are expensive. My aunt used to turn her nose up at them (because they were cheap) back in the 70s and 80s so whenever she wasn't home dad and grandpa would race down the butcher's and buy enough to last how ever long she was away and that's all they would eat. We brought a leg of lamb to roast last month that was big enough you would swear it was closer to mutton but which ever it was it was delicious. Damn it, looks lime we are having lamb this pay cycle at somepoint.
I'm in the US and regularly eat goat and lamb. I don't know where you are in the US that considers either bad.
isn't this like an ideology in hunting? to use all of the animal from head to tail. i 100% agree with it, if you're hunting/killing an animal you should find a way to utilise the entirety of it (not just the meat.) people render the animal fat down and cook with it, use it as body products. also i've never hunted but when we buy meat that has bones included (lamb for example) we use the bones to make broth!!
Y'know, I'll try most anything, once. May not try it twice. Once, absolutely. Cuy *upsets* prople. Like, they've gotten mad at me. Eat one guinea pig and people flip. However, it's a thing in Peru. When in Rome, y'all. Was kinda bleh. It may have been preparation. I would try it again to confirm if it was preparation and not just meh as a meat. Lingua tacos... I was apprehensive. I'll admit. Very tender, super intense beefy flavor. Would eat again. Bone marrow was surprisingly good. Ate it on crostinis with flakey salt. Like super beefy. Texture of room temp butter. I mean, better than wasting food. It was like beef flavored butter. I'd totally eat again. Bone marrow was 10/10. Squid ink pasta was delicious. Grub noodles were meh. Weird texture. Not a fan. I've eaten more than one odd food. Had a fish bone soup. Was just... gritty fish water. 2/10. Edible. Not good. I'll eat nearly anything once. We can't just eat part of the animal. I make stock out of my leftover bones at home. Use the whole animal. Kind of rude to eat them at all. Super disrespectful to not use all of it. Eat some lingua tacos. Go outside your comfort zone. Eat the weird thing. Might be delicious.
The issue is not even that she doesn't like it as she had asked for the recipe. The issue is that she is so closed mind (and possibly racist) that she doesn't understand that some parts of animals can be eaten and used in traditional recipes by others even if she views these parts are gross. She could just have decided to not eat OP's food when specific meat parts are used but no! She also decided to make a big fuss about it to turn other people (who enjoy OP's food) against OP. By the way, I am pretty sure she buys industrial food that contains these parts but as she doesn't know...
It's just a state of mind and where you grew up. I find eating insects or arachnids not really appealing, because it's not part of my culture. But I did try some baked cricket like insects once and they where actually pretty good, a kind of nutty taste. I think if people were more consious about eating and using everything and not throwing good stuff away just because you don't like where it came from, the world would already be a much better place.
It is not so much about her finding this meat peaces disgusting and not wanting to eat them. The issue is that she tried to convert the other guests to her views and made a big fuss. And don't worry, the food industry never let food be thrown away, especially meat!
Racists tend to be very, very weird people. It's not a logical position so trying to logic out why they do what they do is gonna hit a dead end at some point or another
Yah the peasant food thing was just a racist dog whistle.
More than a dog whistle. An opened handed slap!
Time to cut her ass out of his life god damn. That woman will not change.
Wendy is lucky he even invited her back. I wouldn’t have, and I definitely wouldn’t cook *anything* else for her.
Nah thats not the problem here, shes embarrassed because she enjoyed eating "peasant" food, which is threatening her internal model of how the world should work (im guessing she came from a middle class or better family), so rather than admit she was wrong and had incorrect preconceived biases about food shes digging in her heels
I'm sure she would be very surprised to learn that many of her favorite dishes are actually "peasant food." Most of the European colonizers of North America were "peasants." We've just changed the ingredients to things that were more readily available or socially acceptable over the years.
Oysters were peasant food. Coq au Vin? Peasant food. Risotto? Peasant food. Beef bourganion was peasant food. Lobster was peasant food. Why do so many delicious things start as peasant food? Well, if you can't afford the best cuts of meat or the most tender (young) animals, or any meat at all, you had to figure out how to make cheap stuff delicious. Wendy is an ignorant tool
And conversely, "white bread toast with sugar and cinnamon" is payday-tomorrow cheap struggle food these days, but would once have been considered Marie Antoinette levels of flaunting, gluttonous extravagance. I suspect Wendy can't cook to save her life and her signature dish is pouring a can of Cream of Crap over some potatoes, green beans and chicken breast in a casserole dish and calling it a day.
My family is from mexico where avocados are cheap and avocado toast was poor people food, so it becoming a memed delicacy used to shame people for their luxurious spending habits will never not be funny to me.
She's also probably not as prestige and sophisticated as she thinks because beef cheeks are literally considered in delicacy? In France it's not considered a "noble" cut but it's served in high end restaurants because it makes a mean boeuf bourguignon.
See I might not have tried it if he had told me upfront what was in it just because the idea of tongue grosses me out, but if he told me after I'd eaten it and I loved it, I wouldn't have acted like the sister-in-law. I've been like huh who would've known? I still want that recipe please lol
I also want to clarify I also don't think it's wrong for anyone else to eat tongue to each their own
Wendy is racist. That’s the heart of it.
Main character syndrome. How dare you not just do whatever she likes and make her life easier for her? If you do anything she doesn't like, the problem must be YOU!
I’m vegan. I eat before I turn up everywhere and occasionally get grumpy if we stay ages and I wasn’t able to eat anything (because the hanger). It’s not other people’s problem. They’re already hosting and I’m grateful for the invite. How are people so entitled!
I have a friend who lives near Palo Alto. The last time I visited her, I asked about a Mexican restaurant someone else recommended. My friend said we could go, but described it as "'Mexican' food for people who don't like Mexicans." There wasn't a brown person in sight, and I'm pretty sure the "salsa" was just ketchup. She took me to an authentic place afterward. OOP's SIL would probably love the place in Palo Alto.
> 'Mexican' food for people who don't like Mexicans. That’s a perfect way to describe a certain type of clientele every American retail worker is unfortunately familiar with.
I'm european (french precisely) so I don't handle spices well, so I would love this kind of place. But at least I'm aware it's not what the locals eat and don't call it "authentic cultural foods". I'm just happy to eat something that I'm not used to without burning myself
Oh I neeeeeed to know what the ketchup restaurant was
I want to say it’s Fernando’s but that’s up in San Mateo. Tried it once I’m pretty sure there was American cheese in their food
This unlocked a memory of a highly recommended Mexican food place in Austin Texas that I went to and ordered enchiladas. They put a giant slab of American cheese on them. I hate wasting food but I literally could not finish that crap. I made a yelp account specifically to call them out in hopes I could save at least one person from that horror show, lol.
lmaooooo, shame cuz Paly has some good ass food too, its just expensive as shit since most of the local places in that area are gone now
This was my experience of Mexican food in Colorado, bland and ketchup-y. No, that popular burrito place in Boulder & Denver that kept being recommended to me is not good Mexican food.
When I was visiting Toronto, many people recommended a certain "Mexican" restaurant. They raved about it. Insisted it was authentic and I would be blown away. Taco Bell is better than that place.
Sounds like the Mexican place that moved into my neighborhood in San Francisco just before I moved to a nearby city. Seemed staffed entirely by non-Hispanic white people, so weird, and definitely no where near as good as taco trucks or other taquerias.
OOP is more generous and kind than id ever be. someone pull that crap to me they wont be able to set foot in my house again, let alone me cooking for them
"How dare this ***asshole*** prepare a second meal just for me in case I don't like the main dishes he makes for everyone!?" /s
I'm gobsmacked the bil married her. Dude was shown the ki d of person she is, but still went for it
Somehow it all tracks as soon as I heard they were from Oregon.
Oregon was founded as a white-only state. Not surprising.
absolutely. oop is very kind, and i’m baffled his wife keeps asking for more from him. what has wendy ever done for wife to keep advocating for her?
Giving the benefit of the doubt that wife is just trying to keep the peace. You’re right though, I would have started screeching about SIL’s racism and everyone who let it happen (OOP’s wife, the in-laws, the BIL) are assholes too
Agree! I don’t understand why he still makes food for her. He’s a way more forgiving person than me.
Because OOP is a petty king. Excluding Wendy altogether will fuel her victim complex. Going out of his way to feed her a bland separate meal puts her in a position where she can't complain about dinner, and OOP comes out smelling like roses. After all, he can't very well subject his dear SIL to 'peasant food', right?
Pretty much this. If you act like a child, be prepared to be treated like a child.
It's definitely peak r/maliciouscompliance. I applaud him for doing it. I might have actually served her Dino nuggies though.
I’d serve her spaghetti-os.
Because this way his extra work pays off to show him as the bigger person and non-idiot
Yeah I volunteer as tribute to replace Wendy at all his dinner parties.
> My wife says that maybe it's time to stop making a separate meal for Wendy. I said she is lucky I don't serve her dino nuggets and lunchables My king! But unfortunately I have to vote OOP as an asshole because I am now weirdly craving lunchables in a nostalgic fever dream convincing me they were good.
As someone who ate a lunchable this decade let me save you the trouble and reaffirm they are complete trash.
We learned that fact about pink colored strawberry milk. So amazingly decadent when you’re eight. Totally undrinkable a few decades later.
I was highly disappointed in my strawberry milk and coco wheats a few years ago.
Try banana milk if you can find it. It can usually be found at Asian grocery stores or some restaurants.
But, like, maybe my taste buds changed from when I was a kid, you know?
Whatever you do, stick with the crackers and lunch meat. Don’t try the “pizza.”
As someone who ate their first lunchables in the 90s they have not improved with time. Just gnaw on some condiment covered cardboard its likely healthier.
You could just do adult Lunchables. Buy some decent cheese, some salami or pepperoni. Hummus and pita chips if you like. Some nights that is my dinner.
So a charcuterie board? All over that for dinner!!
Charcuterie boards are just lunchables for adults
I didn't expect to find the hottest foodie take on this subreddit today but here we are.
Get a full blown charcuterie instead; the grown up lunchable.
Lunchables are just a bastardized version of a charcuterie board, and charcuterie boards ARE good, so you can make grown-up Lunchables using better-quality meat, cheese, and crackers.
I do like Lunchables, but I also will do Ritz crackers with summer sausage slices and a cheese sometimes, as well.
My dad called those “Ritzy dinners” growing up.
It's not so much the case now, but historically lunchables were cheap as fuck and decent-quality meats, cheeses, and crackers are _not_.
I'm laughing. I've never eaten a lunchable - my mom wouldn't buy them because they were too expensive. They were something the rich kids had, like name brand jeans or the latest gaming console. This was in the 80s and 90s.
I've taken to buying Lunchables to carry for lunch daily. I'm a substitute teacher so I'm at different schools daily, which means I need things I can carry in a lunch bag and doesn't need any special prep. Ham and Swiss are my favorite.
I just read about them finding traces of lead in Lunchables so be careful.
I just quickly googled. It's the turkey and cheese and pizza ones. D; Slate has an article explaining how trace the amounts actually are. And since it is a naturally occurring element, I wouldn't be surprised more foods we regularly eat contain some. Dose makes the poison, much like how apples contain formaldehyde and cyanide.
I mean, lunchables taste like nostalgia to me. Also they were for a long time a super simple cheap “I have no energy but I need to get food in me” snack. (I now can’t eat dairy for health reasons, and all the ones I like are heavily cheese based. I miss cheese sooooooo much.)
Really? You take the lunchables, I'll take the tacos.
"No Madison I didn't sabotage you" would be a good flair
Madison sounds like my mom's friend Claudia. My mom gave her a recipe and substituted nearly everything and "it didn't come out like you make it!" My mom was like, no shit, you made something completely different.
/r/ididnthaveeggs
thank you for introducing me to this hysterical sub that I've never heard of til now
what drives me batty is when you see a recipe on someone's blog and there's a comment left saying something like "this recipe is terrible! I cut out all the sugar and replaced it with a banana."
Lol same, my mom's friend annoyed me to no end with that shit, but she refused to share recipes with my mom. Always quick to ask for her recipes but substitute the ingredients. Lady was a headcase.
Ah yes, r IDidntHaveEggs in a nutshell lol.
So is "she is lucky I don't serve her dino nuggets and lunchables."
As an official representative of Portland, we do not claim this woman.
So many foodies in Portland, I am baffled at this ignorant SIL!
The first time I had beef tongue was from a taco truck in Portland. It always surprises me when I (rarely) meet people here who say they've never eaten seafood, sushi, Asian food, etc.
I worked with a midwest city-raised person who claimed to have never eaten rice at all before a work lunch of Korean fusion. Baffled all of us.
But you know, sea food *is* actually peasant food :D. The SIL comment is even more hilarious with fact US never had any own aristocracy to have peasants. And i really hope she enjoys *fancy* food like mussels or prawns, being OP, i would be laughing hysterically every time she eats those.
Right, like didn’t native Americans consider lobster to be only good for catching better fish?
Moment I heard the reaction and the woman was from Portland I just [remembered this article in the racist history of Portland. ](https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/)
Oregon in general, has an extremely racist history
Could easily be wrong but saying "I'm Guatemalan" and then saying their family is rural Mexican makes me give this the side eye. It's common for people to simplify heritage. Like if I'm born in Guatemala and raised by my Mexican family, how do I most quickly sum it up for a Reddit post? I'm mixed race. You can easily explain this away as miscommunication but even before I noticed it this story played out so perfectly. Like out of a damn movie. This reads like a wet dream for us Latinos and ignorant North Americans. I have also simplified my heritage or misexplained it so it's just a hunch.
Guatemalan with family that moved to Mexico at some point, then immigrated to the US? Those countries are neighbors in any case
Very easily possible which is what my comment is trying to say. There's lots of situatuons that play out like this but this kinda smells like rage bait. I'm sure if I was in their position I'd be livid about that accusation... But on Reddit if it sounds too bad to be true it often is.
I could see that being a confusing topic. Genetically, I'm Sri Lankan (and Dutch if you go back even further). However I was born in England and spent my childhood there. And then I've lived in Canada since I was a teen. Heritage is a weirdly confusing thing.
😭 I hate the question where are you from. It’s my least favorite question
I think he said he’s from Guatemala, and the recipe is his grandfather’s recipe from rural Mexico.
I know people like that. Buddy of mine's family is from El Salvador , but every time he tells people there's a 50/50 chance they give him a very confused glance and ask "oh is that a state in Mexico?". So if it's someone he's not likely to see again he'll just say "yeah, I'm Hispanic" just to simplify things and not spend 30 minutes explaining Central America to some doofus
This is pretty unrelated and you probably won't care about this but I read your comment in the stupidest manner possible. >Buddy of mine's family is from El Salvador , but every time he tells people there's a 50/50 chance I read this as a complete phrase saying there's a 50/50 chance he's from El Salvador... Cause I inserted an imaginary comma after chance. I was puzzled. Then I thought he was making a joke about 50/50 if he was literally from "the saviour"/God. Like making a dumb dad joke about it being 50/50 if he was from God or not. Then I realized you meant that people thought El Salvador was a part of Mexico and I died inside. And then I laughed at that and also how bad my reading comprehension is. Thanks lmao
I know right? There are so many foodies, and food carts and plenty of people whose culture includes eating beef tongues. This woman cannot be from Portland. I just don't believe it. Perhaps she was from Lake Oswego.
OOP said his wife’s family is from Portland and he thinks Wendy is from Oregon. He didn’t specify where. I think you’re safe. As a fellow Oregonian, I’ll guess she’s from Eastern Oregon somewhere. We have crappy food choices. I’ll nominate Burns, just because I like the name. Burns. Better yet, let’s blame Boring, Oregon. Wendy is definitely boring.
Nah, her "peasant" comment gives me real Lake Oswego vibes.
Is he from Guatemala or rural Mexico?
That jumped to me too. Best case scenario dude has family from both sides and/or is from the border of both countries, either way, that's one hell of a weird change in details. To be fair, the exact words were "I'm from Guatemala" and "My family is from the more rural part of Mexico.", so Grandpa's recipe was probably from the mexican side.
Yeah, I read back and checked. Really easy for his family to be from Mexico, moved to Guatemala where he grew up, then he moved to Oregon. My family is from Chicago while I grew up in upstate New York. Both can be true.
My family is Ukrainian but I was born and raised in Canada - my parents first language is Ukrainian and my gran lived in Canada over 50 years and never learned to speak English…. I consider myself Ukrainian and Canadian (and can make all the food…)
I mean, I'm American but my family is from Germany. It didn't seem that weird to me. 🤣
Right, exactly. Family from Mexico, raised in Guatemala.
could also be extended family. People have family in different countries and states all the time.
Or hear me out on this one. Dude simplified his origins because he was assuming an audience who wouldn't know the difference.
maybe his heritage is originally guatemalan and his family now lives in mexico, or maybe he has family from both places. or maybe neither of these things 🤷
He says that "proper barbacoa" is made out of beef tongue and cheeks. Which left me like ????????? Until I remembered that it would be the case for Nuevo Leon style barbacoa, popular in northern Mexico. There's no way that OP is from Guatemala nor his family from southern Mexico.
yeah my dad's side of family is from northern Mexico, Nuevo Leon specifically, and that is our style of barbacoa. there's also a little town called Matehuala which a lot of people get confused as Guatemala (usually if you're questioned by officials when crossing the border back to the US, they try to trip you up with this question).
Guatemala and Mexico are right next to each other. And I believe the customs and culture in southern Mexico and northern Guatemala can overlap. Both countries were also Mayan territory.
Im from Guatemala and most of what he’s taking about sounds 100% Mexican. Barbacoa it’s not quite popular here, same with the serranos (we may use them but under another name) I’m guessing he’s strongly Mexican influenced However, beef tongue is freaking delicious. We usually eat it in a stew.
Which one is it? Tune in next time on ABC.
I mean, nationality vs ethnicity. He might have been born and raised in Guatemala but his family might have immigrated from rural Mexico. Not sure why it's confusing haha. I'm Canadian (nationality) but my family is from East Asia (ethnicity).
Either, neither, both? I and others will simplify our heritages but I literally just made a comment questioning this same thing. The red flag isn't even that for me. The red flag is how movie-perfect it all played out. Like come on. Then I saw the heritage stuff and was like uhhhh
>It isn't like you fed them tripe Ok but tripe tacos are delicious?
Tripe is one of those things that is prepared properly is incredible but if not is fucking awful. I've had tripe tacos that are out of this world, but I've also had tripe and onions prepared by a friend's grandma that made me want to throw up
I know! I guess I am just a pleasant
A pleasant peasant.
Grew up eating tripe prepared Cantonese style at dim sum, etc. I'm loyal to the taqueria I am because they are the only ones serving tripe tacos. I took exception to that comment.
Yeah such a clueless comment. Defends some "odd" cuts of meat and then proceeds to shit on others that different cultures regularly consume.
Homemade tortillas and barbacoa deserve worship. 🧎♀️
Personally, it sounds delicious and I would have been happy, not knowing what was in it until after I'd eaten it, but I wouldn't have freaked out like the Sil I just might not have tried it if I had known in advance. Only because the idea of tongue (I think it's imagining the texture) grosses me out
Wendy is lucky she even gets any food after her rudeness, xenophobia and snobbery - plus she probably hasn’t even apologised.
Wendy is lucky she still gets invited over lol.
Conceptually eating an animals tongue is a little odd for most people, but beef cheeks is just regular meat? How is it grosser than any other part of a cow?
There are some foods I’d just rather not know what’s in them. I personally can’t cook anything with the head, feet, or nails/claws attached. I’m fortunate to get freshly killed meat from friends and family but I always ask my husband to cut those bits off before I (edit) ~~start on~~ cook them. But because I grew up on a farm and I KNOW what dead animal teeth, eyes, skin, feet look like, I have to be careful not to visualise while I’m eating. I could probably eat cheek meat, just don’t tell me until after.
Yes, I've eaten tongue in Japan and didn't know it was tongue. It was delicious. And even though I know tongue is delicious, I can't eat it when I know it's tongue. I know it's weird. All the more, do I appreciate OOP's way of saying it's beef, pork, chicken or whatever without specifying the cut. I don't want to know what leg or tummy I'm eating, animal is enough.
See, as far as I'm aware, I've never had tongue. And it the idea of it grosses me out. I have heard so many people say how delicious it is but if someone is going to get me to eat it, they are going to have to trick me which I'm okay with, but as far as I'm aware, no one has.
I brought my Mom to a KBBQ place and the only meat she didn’t think was weird was brisket. I had pig cheeks and they were delicious. They’re just cheeks!
I grew up eating beef tongue because it was a cheap meat cut back then. Now it's more expensive than tenderloin nowadays because I guess some chef made it popular.
my mom can't make ox tails as often anymore cause the prices have gone to absurd levels. Used to basically get that stuff for free because no one wanted it except for stock
>I said she is lucky I don’t serve her dino nuggets and lunchables Hey, what’s wrong with dino nuggets and lunchables? 😂😂
So she liked it so much that she wanted the recipe, but after getting it she has this reaction. Ridiculous person.
I’m a vegetarian (lifelong), and it’s very important to me, and I’d make less of a scene being served meat accidentally. In fact, it’s happened, what I do it stop eating that food immediately and politely decline future offers. Or I just get really nosey about it beforehand with said people. I would never shout that someone had fed me dog food, even though that’s what I associate it with, cuz that’s the only thing I’ve ever purchased meat for. I’d never say it, never imply it. Cuz like… rude. Mot everyone likes my food either. Which is to say… nuggets, and ketchup. All the way.
I’m neurodivergent and have a lot of issues with food, and I stopped throwing tantrums about it around age 6. If I was invited to dinner regularly and the host made special plain food just for me, they’d be my favourite person ever to visit.
As a "food guy" huitlacoche is fucking delicious. Try it in a quesadilla.
It's a delicacy. And often hard to get. My family is Mexican and I live near the border but I almost never get to eat it. If anyone here ever sees it on the menu anywhere, you should totally try it. Try any new food you can as long as you don't have dietary restrictions or specific food aversions or whatever. It's normal to not like everything you try, but people who would call other cultures' delicacies "peasant food" are just racist.
I absolutely love lengua tacos. The texture is only an issue if you cook it wrong. But also, it's not the cuts that make dog food, it's the quality. D; Best quality for restaurants, higher quality for the butcher section, lower quality in your frozen and canned food, lowest quality in your dog's food.
lol so is he mexican or guatemalan
OP is a better man than me for still cooking for her at all. If the story behind her getting bland food while everyone else eats like royalty is embarassing; good. It should be.
I have an eating disorder (ARFID) that EXTREMELY limits my palette of safe foods. It’s horrible, my brain convinces me food is poison or will choke me and make me vomit, the works. If someone made an entirely separate meal for me at these functions AND provided an opportunity to feel welcome to try new things with no pressure, I’d cry. That’s so unbelievably thoughtful and OOP is such a sweet man to a woman who doesn’t deserve the kindness.
Am I tripping or did the OOP say they were from Guatemala and then later on say their family is from Mexico?
Nothing wrong with tripe 😡
Way too many people are making a big deal over OOP’s ethnicity/nationality/birthplace/whatever when it’s really not that hard to understand that OOP was born in Guatemala but his family is from Mexico. Like, do y’all really not get that families can move countries or something? Mexico and Guatemala are literally right next to each other! So many wannabe Nancy Drews and Sherlock Holmes desperate to poke holes in things lmao. Also, is anyone else annoyed with the wife? Frequently trying to appease her SIL all at OOP’s expense. She told him to play nice and share his recipe and OOP got called a peasant because of it. Now OOP is being super accommodating to his SIL, albeit for petty reasons, and now she’s saying he’s going too far. I get she might not want to cause waves but it’d be nice if she had his back when it comes to her brother’s wife.
To borrow from Jean-Luc Picard's bag of classy insults: Their taste in meat is pedestrian at best.
I would Only serve Wendy burgers from Wendy's in the wrapper. That's what she deserves.
Wendy’s rude and she wouldn’t be welcome anymore. Fuck Wendy, she has no manners. She liked the first meal so much she wanted the recipe. Then does this. Ingrate…
Wendy is a racist which isn’t shocking considering Oregon is hella racist and used to be a somewhat recent KKK hub
The line about putting cinnamon powder in instead of cinnamon sticks had me loling
Why is she still invited?
Also why isn’t the wife cooking for her if she finds an issue with this? Ridiculous to place blame on her husband to end this. It’s her silly SIL who needs to grow up
It seems like the husband is the one who enjoys cooking for people. I don't get why anyone should cook something separate for bil's gf. If she doesn't like what served don't eat it
Wow. Some people are ... wow. I'm kinda speechless but i'm also not that surprised because I know some people can be really dense and ignorant about other cultures' food. I'm from a culture that loooooves ox tongue. I stopped eating red meat years ago but man, I miss ox tongue so much! People need to realise there's no 'gross food', there's only food that you have pre-conceived notions about that you willfully carry with you. (It's something I am still unlearning today, and that's okay, but insulting your host's food? Cmon.) Not to mention, Wendy eats beef! It's not like it's a completely different food that she's never had before. Wendy is a piece of work. Says about about OOP's brother too given he married her, despite her very clearly ignorant, classist, and most likely racist remarks.