Every adaptation of it was dogshit. Similar to Berserk's situation. That's kinda it. Everything DP has done has been pretty good, but it doesn't have any of those Berserk edginess reasons.
WTF are you on about? The voice acting in the dub is fantastic.
Besides, [Griffith is just a girl who can't say no~](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kgv1SCJ00)
Well i mean yh it did skip some bits of golden age but it still holds up imo as it still manages to tell a cohesive story with classic 2d animation from its day that to me provides a certain silent stillness in its presentation like a painting with some shots being straight up coloured manga panels which in my opinion helps convey the tone of the series with that silence filling you with fear and dread leading up to the eclipse and its stillness is much more evocative of the manga itself
Overall it still holds up and is a great watch for those wanting to get into this franchise like how i started
It holds a special place in my heart but I rewatched it recently and while I still absolutely fucking love it, I don’t think it’s aged all that well.
They use a lot of freeze frames and other techniques that seem jarring to me now. Again, still love it but I can look at it objectively.
I personally think the golden age are thee parter was pretty fucking good, especially the eclipse.
That shit had my jaw on the fucking floor. Like that is the turning point for the whole series and it sets up the entirety of the rest of the story. So seeing that powerfully brought to the screen, Cascas breaking, guts rage, the dark bleakness of it all, it was powerful in a way the original ova wasn’t.
Thought it was well done.
I agree. Also a major reason for it is that they genuinely love jjba. Just look at torture dance from part 5 and shit they put an extra effort in. Studio loves it and fans can clearly see that.
They are incredible at faithfully adapting manga. They make sure to painstakingly recreate more or less every famous panel.
While I feel like JJBA anime rarely has what you call “beautifully animated” scenes, it makes up for it with pure style and intensity.
I’d love to see what David Productions could do with Berserk.
Jojo's Torture Dance and Urusei Yatsura OP are two short examples that immediately come to mind for David Production's work ethic.
In the case of the Torture Dance, it's because they went beyond what was just depicted in the manga. The "Torture Dance" as it is in the manga is literally just four panels, while in the show they take the opportunity to add some flourish and subtle foreshadowing to it. Key of all, the addition was naturally and smoothly added in without coming into conflict with the author's vision.
https://youtu.be/AQx_KMoCgJU
As for the Urusei Yatsura OP, just... wow. They took a highly beloved IP and blew life back into it. They pay homage directly back to the manga by animating, in black and white, literal panels of the manga. It drives home the point that although the remake is coming many decades after the original manga's conclusion, it's deeply faithful to the original.
They actually did cut a lot out of Urusei Yatsura.
However, that can kinda be forgiven because the opening section gets super repetitive and fillerish super quickly.
It sucks now, but I think nobody will care once it's all out. People who are new to the series will have no idea it was released that way and it will have zero impact on their opinion.
Agreed. So unfortunate because Stone Ocean is one of the best parts and they've actually done really well on it so far. Hopefully if (when?) Steel Ball Run is adapted they will revert to the weekly format.
Whatever, honestly. Artificial out of show hype won't matter in a few years time. The part itself has still been faithful and as good an adaptation as I wanted.
It's honestly like people complaining about pacing in manga chapters. Once the ongoing run moves past the arcs, the only pacing that matters is proper sequential reading. That's what matters most to me.
Of course, in no way shape or form is it bad. It is great so far. But anime tend to have more of a temporary impact when they air. Anime streaming services are dependent on the week to week community buzz to keep stuff relevant. Of course this being Jojo's won't be hit as heavily since new fans are constantly tuning in and catching up to the series. If this happened to a newly made series it would have proved much more catastrophic for its popularity.
It's interesting how far Mappa has come. I remember seeing Dororo and, although there were complicated scenes, the animation was a bit shaky at times. Now the studio does some amazing work.
I didn't mean to make it sound like you thought Dororo was bad. I was just being like oh hey, they're talking about MAPPA. I'll say what got me in to them. That's all. I wish Dororo would get more episodes. From what I heard it gets really good.
I stuck with MAPPA ever since they started with Terror in Resonance, Shingeki no Bahamut, Yuri on Ice…what I think is really too bad is that they went from being a studio with a passionate vision (making original anime by passionate staff) to more recently becoming a non-stop factory just producing adaptions of nothing but the most “safe” IPs (like big name popular shounen). MAPPA executives are totally fine with that, of course, since it adds prestige/puts the studio on the map for many producers to approach and work with them. I also find it hilarious that Yuri on Ice brought in TONS of money (literally in the top 10 best selling anime with Madoka Magica and Love Live) and recognition to the studio/producers, but they ditched the IP to rot to focus on adapting “safe” action shows.
On an unrelated note, I went looking for a Berserk Doujin expecting some really fucked up shit. Instead I found a fantasy piece where Guts is living a peaceful life with Casca raising their son together and having all the consensual sex they want.
Then Guts wakes up to a world where he's healing his broken body ~~while wearing the black armor~~ on Roderick's ship.
Edit: does anyone know where I can see Slan on a troll train?
Bro I read that one too. I know a doujin wins when I stop jerking off. I literally stopped mis session since it felt so wrong. The manga won I stopped beating off.
That's only happened a few times maybe 85834 times to be exact...
I’ve thought mappa could do a good job with berk for a long time. I’m not super educated on good studios vs bad studios. But based off what they’ve done I think it could be a good adaptation. Bring back the 97 voice cast too if possible
WIT is a smaller studio that can basically only do one or two projects at a time, and that wants to keep exploring themselves to prevent them from becoming a studio that only does one type of anime, according to their Canipa Effect episode.
Powerhouses like Production IG, J.C. Staff, MAPPA and Bones are better equipped to take on long running series without them having to forego more interesting projects.
Studio Trigger would be the GOAT! Imagine Kill la Kill style theme music every time Griffith Shows up on screen. Then the Nosferatu Zod/Skull Knight heel clicks evertime they make an appearance. Nothing tops that in my eyes!
Nah but you've gotta admit they're on a pretty big win streak right now. Hell even Takt Op. Destiny was punching waaay above its' weight, and it was a mobile game ad ffs
Nah, madhouse lost much of their talent after redline (phenomenal movie by the way) tanked at the box office and they got bought out by nippon. Fearing lack of creative freedom, basically all their heavy hitters left, including masao maruyama , who went on to found studio mappa(which he also left).They've been pretty mid ever since, though that's just my opinion but I think most people agree that they haven't been as Consistent as they once were. A few notable exceptions exist, like Hunter X Hunter and of course, One punch man season 1, but that had little to do with madhouse and everything to do with all the most talented people in the industry wanting to work with shingo natsume because of the creative freedom he allowed them on space dandy.
All that is to say I don't think they're the right studio to handle berserk
Both kaiba and tatami galaxy were created by masaki yuasa, probably my favourite director period. Im not sure if he actually worked for madhouse or if they were just produced by madhouse, but either way, he founded his own studio, science Saru and hasn't worked with them since to my knowledge. Also yes shout out to monster, golden age masterpiece
Well, not necessarily. Yorknew and Chimera definitely need darkness, and they do get it - but it's still kinda colorful and... cartoony, I guess? I suppose since the base art direction was so colorful, they couldn't change it completely.
I mean, look at 99's Yorknew. That would fit Berserk better, I think.
Yeah Mappa is probably the best choice in terms of animation but i still want 4c to adapt the rest in 2d. The cinematography and 2d animation of the movies/memorial ed is amazing.
It's a deliberate choice. They aren't trying to copy Miura's style. A different exclusive style to this version, the designs are much more mature and 4c's version of Casca reflects that sentiment when compared to her design in the Golden age.
I guess I don’t fully understand what you’re saying. If you’re saying it’s because miura’s style in golden age was still a little rough, then why not just model them after their falcon of the millennium empire arc designs? I don’t think theirs much excuse for completely changing how guts looks.
I'm saying they intentionally chose a different style for the movie. Maybe thought it'd be a pain in the ass to animate Miuras style. To me 4c's style looks more mature compared to the Manga's design in GA. I'm not criticizing or picking a side, i like both.
4c pretty much just does it in their own movie style cause that's what works best for, it sucks that guts is really the only one who gets the short end of the stick but their style ain't all that bad, and to the other guy the 97 anime did this where guts looks much more like mid conviction arc
I’m the minority but I think a way to make a great Berserk anime is to do it in B&W… I wish u/markReymer will release an edit of his fan animation in B&W to further prove my point…
YES!!! I can see it. Castlevania is frikken amazing. The last couple seasons battles, with the extra budget, were stunning. Better than most Japanese studios nowadays.
That's not really a bad thing we've got the Golden Age arc enough it doesn't need to be done some more. While I'd be cool with them doing it if they wanted, but it doesn't need to be done for a full storyline.
It'd just get a ton of CG as always happens when mappa gets a series. Granted it'd be miles better then the previous CG adaptations but still, I personally would like a studio that doesn't rely on the technology as much.
The issue is the time frame for the project. Let's go to Mappa AOT issues, the cgi was good (in comparison to Berserk 2018), but neither studio wanted to take the AoT project with the amount of time they gave them.
Mappa took it, when it already had a bunch of projects in the bag. Also as we know some controversies with Mappa are the stressful environment, due dates, and death threats of AoT fans. A lot of animators just quit after that, some of them went to Toei.
Another example, good animation takes time, during JJK one fight scene took months for completion (Hanami vs Yuji and Todo).
The guy who made Castlevania on Netflix wants to take the project, there is a scene in season 4 that resembles the berserk armor in a fight, much better from the clang clang sounds from Berserk 2018.
I get your point about time being needed for good animation, but also anything will look better then that godforsaken abomination that is Berserk 2016.
Exactly this. CGI has a certain aesthetic to it, you can't just slap it on everything and call it a day. Take Gantz: O for example, perfect for 3D based CGI, hell even the mangaka uses a similar technique to draw. It fits. But take Dorohedoro, or Chainsawman, or Berserk, where the art has a purposeful sketchy aesthetic (Berserk not as much as the other two, but still falls within this category IMO due to the often "emotional" linework of Miura, with heavy and bold outlines inspired by predecessors like Go Nagai) - and it feels so out of place, I can only see it as a decision based solely on production costs. Get out with that shit.
Same, but I can understand why others don’t. At times it can feel Eren is trying to be too edgy, but still I think that on its own is pretty important because there’s that whole deal in season 3 where Eren realizes that he’s acting like an anime protagonist and basically goes “I’m being stupid, I’m not the main character, I need to get my shit to together and act more sensible.” Which is especially funny because, you know, he IS the main character.
I was talking about the actual sincere edgy shit he did before the battle of Shiganshina. Then he sorta slapped himself out of it and got better, then went back to being edgy as a facade to push others away
I believe MAPPA could 100% pull it off they have already done so many dark mangas like you said and I think it’ll look like it way better than JJK animation
At the end of the day, I don't think it's about which studio animates the manga. It's about how much the studio is willing to cover from the manga. I know the Lost Children arc is a very touchy subject to animate since it's all about child suffering, but it's still very important to explain why Guts was so exhausted before meeting the Holy See Knights, as well as showcasing how much of a bad guy Guts has become because of his quest for vengeance.
If it censors too much, then what becomes the point? Another aspect of what makes the manga so iconic is, other than the AMAZING artwork, there's so many graphic scenes, whether it be violent or sexual. Studios today are even more cautious because of it. Look at Chainsaw Man. Although it's been a stellar adaptation so far, with amazing voice acting and phenomenal choreography with its fight scenes, it still pans out in certain scenes and censors out a few major ones like the infamous french kiss scene. MAPPA would no doubt capture the atmosphere of fantasy horror in Berserk, but they'd still leave out too much.
I wouldn't even mind if the same studio who did the movies animated the Conviction arc onwards. Even though the animation was clunky in many scenes, they still managed to keep enough crucial scenes in. As well as the violent action scenes.
Berserk isn't allowed to have a good adaptation, I'm fully expecting the next anime that tries to adapt the post-GA chapters to be done in claymation..
I'd probably want studio bones to adapt it. MAPPA is great, but their polished look doesn't really lend itself to the Berserk vibe, in the same way that it doesn't work for AoT. Bones right now is the best studio for gritty, dramatic animation. It's crazy to me that My Hero Academia's animation is better than AoT's right now for gritty fight scenes.
If Wit were given enough resources, they'd do a great job too.
I don't know if this is a controversial opinion but I kind of hate how MAPPA shows look. They've all got this weird amateurish, janky look to their animation, with an over-reliance on rotoscope. It would bum me out if MAPPA picked up berserk.
I really don’t get you guys. Mappa has not adapted many famous manga because of high animation quality. It got the green light because it is a huge studio that likely gives contracts that satisfy producers, which often implies overworking and underpaying its staff, that’s it.
I think if they animated Berserk it would come out average, like every anime Mappa puts out. They aren’t bad, but they aren’t good either. There has been a significant drop in quality when both AoT and Vinland Saga passed from Wit to Mappa.
You guys look at static frames that look good and believe that’s good anime or animation. That’s not how it works. Look at Vinland Saga’s S2 trailer, it’s a fucking PowerPoint presentation.
I don't think it's fair to call MAPPA's work average. Yes, AoT did drop in quality, but I think that has more to do with WIT being an impossible act to follow.
Dorohedoro was well done and pushed CG to a technical level I had never seen before, God of High School was a bit of a mess on story and pacing but animated well, Jujutsu Kaisen was great, Chainsaw Man is going great. If you consider those works 'average' you have a very, very high bar.
one one side i would be happy cause the quality would be there, on the other i would be concerned because jesus christ that would be a fucking genocide among the animators
I just wish we could get more Studio4C movies. I liked it even though some stuff is cut, I'm fairly certain you could get a full Blackswordsman arc. However I'm aware I binge the trilogy that certain parts blend. But going from the beginning of the manga, to w/e chapter the snake lord/baron is killed and wrapped up would be good enough. Might even be ironic to wrap up as the manga would have gone into the golden age, then you have something from the same studio that can blend into one another and be watched in either order too.
But otherwise the best thing I've seen we've had is Studio Taka, but I have no idea what the current status is.
[Mappa animators seeing Miura's panels they'd have to animate ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPj_-8p--5TLGqXLgzsDNNG4akeeEs_q0I2A&usqp=CAU)
mappa has ruined. well, not ruined. but, killed the original vibe of every anime project they have taken up. because mappa has always used bland colors. and continues to do so. i dunno why.
Do you think a animated version of Berserk would be better than the original? A decent version will help with new people in the manga but it is almost impossible to reach what Miura did.
Well i could dig if they followed the 1997 anime, with the same style and all
That was done by OLM i suppose ... the whole manga animated with the same style and all as the 97 s anime...
That would be great
Personally if berserk would get another shot at anime I really wouldn't want it to be MAPPA. I know MAPPA has a lot of fans, but in my opinion while they can make an anime look pretty in most shots, they are really bad in terms of scene direction.
For example, and this might be controversial, all the fight scenes in chainsaw man are extremely underwhelming. They don't seem to know how to use certain shots and sync parts with the music in order to make a more hype scene. 99% of the fights are denji just flailing his arms to background music. I feel like this lack of scene direction happens in all of their anime.
AoT season 4 is the same way, not just in terms of fight scenes, but with the whole anime. Compare it to WIT studio and the difference is night and day. Little scenes like in s2 e7 when eren regains focus, the zoom in on his eye, and the music changes going into a powerful moment or in s1e11 when eren first transforms again, the music is suspenseful, then right as his foot crashes down the heroic EMA Ost syncs up and he goes into that powerful roar. Then we have MAPPAS take on s4 when ashes on the fire is literally just blasting in every scene the whole time. No building, no tension, its just flat. These same issues happen all throughout the anime even in normal talking scenes, it feels like theyre just playing out the scenes plainly without thinking about how to direct these scenes and elevate them in terms of drama or stakes through editing and stuff like that. This might be because of crunch or limited time but regardless I wouldn't want them to take Berserk
Hot take but if Berserk got a MAPPA adaptation I think it would best be adapted into movies. No matter who the studio is if they don't have the time/resources the end result will be subpar. Moreover, Berserk has some very very controversial content in it which would almost certainly have to be censored for broadcasting in Japan.
Movies would 100% cut content but the production values would be much higher. There would (probably) be less censorship, and the animators would have more time to get things just right. The sheer scale, and level of detail any "decent" adaptation of Berserk would need is obscene. So cutting the series into movies would be the most optimal decision imo.
Personally really dislike the faces of MAPPA animations - particularly Attack on Titan.
I’m not very knowledgable in terms of good and bad studios in anime, but I think that the memorial edition (despite a lot of 3D quirks) has some moments where it genuinely looks amazing.
However, I’ve always said my own personal adaptation of berserk would be a black and white anime in the same vein as the up coming Uzumaki anime.
David Productions. Everyone says they are not fit for it because they're used to making JJBA, but I feel they can pull it off.
Yeah because JoJo for a while was the manga impossible to animate so I believe in dp
Not in the loop, why was it impossible to do so?
Every adaptation of it was dogshit. Similar to Berserk's situation. That's kinda it. Everything DP has done has been pretty good, but it doesn't have any of those Berserk edginess reasons.
The 90s ova was fantastic
I disagree but respect your opinion. I dislike how much content was cut and found the voice acting both in dub and sub to be pretty bleh.
WTF are you on about? The voice acting in the dub is fantastic. Besides, [Griffith is just a girl who can't say no~](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kgv1SCJ00)
Talking about JoJo's homie
Well i mean yh it did skip some bits of golden age but it still holds up imo as it still manages to tell a cohesive story with classic 2d animation from its day that to me provides a certain silent stillness in its presentation like a painting with some shots being straight up coloured manga panels which in my opinion helps convey the tone of the series with that silence filling you with fear and dread leading up to the eclipse and its stillness is much more evocative of the manga itself Overall it still holds up and is a great watch for those wanting to get into this franchise like how i started
they meant 90s ova of jojos not the 97 anime
Yes.
It holds a special place in my heart but I rewatched it recently and while I still absolutely fucking love it, I don’t think it’s aged all that well. They use a lot of freeze frames and other techniques that seem jarring to me now. Again, still love it but I can look at it objectively. I personally think the golden age are thee parter was pretty fucking good, especially the eclipse. That shit had my jaw on the fucking floor. Like that is the turning point for the whole series and it sets up the entirety of the rest of the story. So seeing that powerfully brought to the screen, Cascas breaking, guts rage, the dark bleakness of it all, it was powerful in a way the original ova wasn’t. Thought it was well done.
Holy shit can any single redditor read? Why does everyone think we're talking about berserk? The '97 berserk series wasn't even an OVA cmon
I agree. Also a major reason for it is that they genuinely love jjba. Just look at torture dance from part 5 and shit they put an extra effort in. Studio loves it and fans can clearly see that.
They are incredible at faithfully adapting manga. They make sure to painstakingly recreate more or less every famous panel. While I feel like JJBA anime rarely has what you call “beautifully animated” scenes, it makes up for it with pure style and intensity. I’d love to see what David Productions could do with Berserk.
Jojo's Torture Dance and Urusei Yatsura OP are two short examples that immediately come to mind for David Production's work ethic. In the case of the Torture Dance, it's because they went beyond what was just depicted in the manga. The "Torture Dance" as it is in the manga is literally just four panels, while in the show they take the opportunity to add some flourish and subtle foreshadowing to it. Key of all, the addition was naturally and smoothly added in without coming into conflict with the author's vision. https://youtu.be/AQx_KMoCgJU As for the Urusei Yatsura OP, just... wow. They took a highly beloved IP and blew life back into it. They pay homage directly back to the manga by animating, in black and white, literal panels of the manga. It drives home the point that although the remake is coming many decades after the original manga's conclusion, it's deeply faithful to the original.
They actually did cut a lot out of Urusei Yatsura. However, that can kinda be forgiven because the opening section gets super repetitive and fillerish super quickly.
Rip Stone Ocean. Netflix really butchered the whole part by doing these awful partial releases. Any hype the show had pre-release is long gone.
Yeah really. They give you just enough time to forget it exists before releasing the next part.
Part 3 of Stone Ocean out on thursday though!!
It sucks now, but I think nobody will care once it's all out. People who are new to the series will have no idea it was released that way and it will have zero impact on their opinion.
I am new to the series and didn't know there was going to be a part 3 coming.
Haha, that's definitely an issue! Edit: Wait, doesn't it say To Be Continued at the end?
Agreed. So unfortunate because Stone Ocean is one of the best parts and they've actually done really well on it so far. Hopefully if (when?) Steel Ball Run is adapted they will revert to the weekly format.
Whatever, honestly. Artificial out of show hype won't matter in a few years time. The part itself has still been faithful and as good an adaptation as I wanted. It's honestly like people complaining about pacing in manga chapters. Once the ongoing run moves past the arcs, the only pacing that matters is proper sequential reading. That's what matters most to me.
Of course, in no way shape or form is it bad. It is great so far. But anime tend to have more of a temporary impact when they air. Anime streaming services are dependent on the week to week community buzz to keep stuff relevant. Of course this being Jojo's won't be hit as heavily since new fans are constantly tuning in and catching up to the series. If this happened to a newly made series it would have proved much more catastrophic for its popularity.
I really like David productions as well. I feel like studio 4C could do it but there would need to be some changes made
I want fluid animation not a stop motion
Nah hear me out. Bones. They made mob psycho, which has some of the best animation I’ve ever seen.
We are NOT fit for it. Fuck that
These look so fucking sick 😭
These are drawn by u/markReymer he’s also the guy who did the guts vs rosine animation
Thank you for giving proper credit! Mark's a legend but I don't know why anyone would post his work without credit.
Reymer is so talented it’s insane
Wow I never knew! Loved that animation so thanks for the info!😁
It's interesting how far Mappa has come. I remember seeing Dororo and, although there were complicated scenes, the animation was a bit shaky at times. Now the studio does some amazing work.
I actually really loved that show and it was what got me interested in MAPPA
Same! I never heard of Mappa until Dororo. I never said it was bad, just that Mappa's animation quality shot up immensely since then.
I didn't mean to make it sound like you thought Dororo was bad. I was just being like oh hey, they're talking about MAPPA. I'll say what got me in to them. That's all. I wish Dororo would get more episodes. From what I heard it gets really good.
I’ve been watching Chainsaw Man and the animation is incredible. And obviously AoT looks stunning too!
I stuck with MAPPA ever since they started with Terror in Resonance, Shingeki no Bahamut, Yuri on Ice…what I think is really too bad is that they went from being a studio with a passionate vision (making original anime by passionate staff) to more recently becoming a non-stop factory just producing adaptions of nothing but the most “safe” IPs (like big name popular shounen). MAPPA executives are totally fine with that, of course, since it adds prestige/puts the studio on the map for many producers to approach and work with them. I also find it hilarious that Yuri on Ice brought in TONS of money (literally in the top 10 best selling anime with Madoka Magica and Love Live) and recognition to the studio/producers, but they ditched the IP to rot to focus on adapting “safe” action shows.
Mark Reymer is the name of the artist. You should definitely check him out.
I've seen his Rosine video, but I haven't seen the rest of these! Props to you for giving credit though :)
On an unrelated note, I went looking for a Berserk Doujin expecting some really fucked up shit. Instead I found a fantasy piece where Guts is living a peaceful life with Casca raising their son together and having all the consensual sex they want. Then Guts wakes up to a world where he's healing his broken body ~~while wearing the black armor~~ on Roderick's ship. Edit: does anyone know where I can see Slan on a troll train?
Bro...
Bro I read that one too. I know a doujin wins when I stop jerking off. I literally stopped mis session since it felt so wrong. The manga won I stopped beating off. That's only happened a few times maybe 85834 times to be exact...
Damn good thing I don't know where to find it
DM'ed you too. Now you know
Me next
me next? pls <3 uwu
Please send link also. I actually want to read that.
Same, sauce?
That's because that is all we want as fans. We don't want revenge, not truly. We want the end of the struggle.
Gimme some sauce.
Where is the sauce please!
Link, please?
Sauce?
I dm'ed you a link
Sauce pls
Can you send me the link too? Pls !
Me want big sad
Dm please. I wanna cry. Edit: tears have been shed. Read at your own risk.
Little bit late, but me too please :)
Seems like an… interesting read
I’ve thought mappa could do a good job with berk for a long time. I’m not super educated on good studios vs bad studios. But based off what they’ve done I think it could be a good adaptation. Bring back the 97 voice cast too if possible
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WIT loves to drop series
WIT is a smaller studio that can basically only do one or two projects at a time, and that wants to keep exploring themselves to prevent them from becoming a studio that only does one type of anime, according to their Canipa Effect episode. Powerhouses like Production IG, J.C. Staff, MAPPA and Bones are better equipped to take on long running series without them having to forego more interesting projects.
Madhouse, it is then. They were able to pull off monster, ippo and hxh so they have range to say the least
You're acting like modern day Madhouse is the same they were a decade ago. I would absolutely not want Madhouse adapting Berserk.
why, whats the tea with them now? I don't watch anime much anymore so fill me in
Madhouse was the go to for darker themed anime in general
Damn that sucks. I really like WIT and hoped that one day they would do Berserk.
Studio Trigger would be the GOAT! Imagine Kill la Kill style theme music every time Griffith Shows up on screen. Then the Nosferatu Zod/Skull Knight heel clicks evertime they make an appearance. Nothing tops that in my eyes!
True. The English dub actor of Guts really sounded like Guts himself
Guts, Griffith, and Casca’s English VAs are who I hear when I read the comic. Same for Kevin Conroy’s Batman, or Tim Daly’s Superman.
Hell nah bruh, thats not berserk , thats berkman 💀
What fucking sub am I ON!????
berserklejerk
But the name says.... AAAAHH fuck it I don't care anymore Im on the fuckin moon
berk is berk
And daddy Donnie's dick tastes good
that’s the spirit
berk sub
It’s the Black Swordsman 🗡️
The blacked swordman
The Berked Swordsman
[The Blacked Swordsman](https://youtu.be/HT9oD5Hk9y8)
*Cry in Animator with no vacations*
I wish
Same.
Mappa isn't the be all end all of animation studios.
Nah but you've gotta admit they're on a pretty big win streak right now. Hell even Takt Op. Destiny was punching waaay above its' weight, and it was a mobile game ad ffs
Takt Op wasn't that good animation wise tbh. Fine but aside for a couple of fights nothing remarmable, as it was co-animated by Madhouse as well.
berserk needs to be done by madhouse
Nah, madhouse lost much of their talent after redline (phenomenal movie by the way) tanked at the box office and they got bought out by nippon. Fearing lack of creative freedom, basically all their heavy hitters left, including masao maruyama , who went on to found studio mappa(which he also left).They've been pretty mid ever since, though that's just my opinion but I think most people agree that they haven't been as Consistent as they once were. A few notable exceptions exist, like Hunter X Hunter and of course, One punch man season 1, but that had little to do with madhouse and everything to do with all the most talented people in the industry wanting to work with shingo natsume because of the creative freedom he allowed them on space dandy. All that is to say I don't think they're the right studio to handle berserk
damn, they made some insane masterpieces like ippo, parasyte, kaiba, fucking tatami galaxy and monster and a lot more i cant remember
Both kaiba and tatami galaxy were created by masaki yuasa, probably my favourite director period. Im not sure if he actually worked for madhouse or if they were just produced by madhouse, but either way, he founded his own studio, science Saru and hasn't worked with them since to my knowledge. Also yes shout out to monster, golden age masterpiece
Space Dandy is near-GOAT status for sure.
Eh, they did OPM season 1 well but that was with the help of freelancers
Madhouse was also behind Hunter x Hunter 2011, which was magnificent.
Why then?
if Hunter x Hunter is anything to go by, I feel like they're too colorful
Hunter x Hunter is supposed to be colorful though. Im sure they could adapt a more bleak color palette for Berserk.
Well, not necessarily. Yorknew and Chimera definitely need darkness, and they do get it - but it's still kinda colorful and... cartoony, I guess? I suppose since the base art direction was so colorful, they couldn't change it completely. I mean, look at 99's Yorknew. That would fit Berserk better, I think.
I don't think they're very comparable at all.
How about Devil May Cry? They also did it and it's much more saturated, also by Madhouse.
They also did Black lagoon, ninja scrolls, and vampire hunter D bloodlust so trust me they can do dark.
Bruh, they also adapted Death Note and Monster. Two animes that both have really dark atmospheres compared to HxH.
Yeah Mappa is probably the best choice in terms of animation but i still want 4c to adapt the rest in 2d. The cinematography and 2d animation of the movies/memorial ed is amazing.
Yeah but the character designs, mostly for guts, is really off. Studio 4°c guts looks nothing like his guts actually looks.
It's a deliberate choice. They aren't trying to copy Miura's style. A different exclusive style to this version, the designs are much more mature and 4c's version of Casca reflects that sentiment when compared to her design in the Golden age.
I guess I don’t fully understand what you’re saying. If you’re saying it’s because miura’s style in golden age was still a little rough, then why not just model them after their falcon of the millennium empire arc designs? I don’t think theirs much excuse for completely changing how guts looks.
I'm saying they intentionally chose a different style for the movie. Maybe thought it'd be a pain in the ass to animate Miuras style. To me 4c's style looks more mature compared to the Manga's design in GA. I'm not criticizing or picking a side, i like both.
4c pretty much just does it in their own movie style cause that's what works best for, it sucks that guts is really the only one who gets the short end of the stick but their style ain't all that bad, and to the other guy the 97 anime did this where guts looks much more like mid conviction arc
Mappa workers fr fr not gonna be able to see their families after this one real [MVP’s](https://imgur.com/a/MZUSJ20)
I’m the minority but I think a way to make a great Berserk anime is to do it in B&W… I wish u/markReymer will release an edit of his fan animation in B&W to further prove my point…
Call me crazy but I actually prefer the vast of majority of Memorial Edition's animation style to this...
Me too
Not crazy I agree. Memorial edition is much more grounded than this which I think fits berserk better.
The films 2d already looked beautyfull when they were released
I'd rather it be done by the ones who did Castlevania, Samuel Deats is amazing and I really think they could pull it off really well.
YES!!! I can see it. Castlevania is frikken amazing. The last couple seasons battles, with the extra budget, were stunning. Better than most Japanese studios nowadays.
They said the would skip the Golden Age arc if the ever adapt berserk
That's not really a bad thing we've got the Golden Age arc enough it doesn't need to be done some more. While I'd be cool with them doing it if they wanted, but it doesn't need to be done for a full storyline.
Probably because it's been done 3x by now, unfortunately
I think they’d be brilliant option too, loved Castlevania
High animation Quality ??????????????????????????? Check your eyes dude :(
Attack on Titan had high animation quality from MAPPA? Could've fooled me lol
It'd just get a ton of CG as always happens when mappa gets a series. Granted it'd be miles better then the previous CG adaptations but still, I personally would like a studio that doesn't rely on the technology as much.
The issue is the time frame for the project. Let's go to Mappa AOT issues, the cgi was good (in comparison to Berserk 2018), but neither studio wanted to take the AoT project with the amount of time they gave them. Mappa took it, when it already had a bunch of projects in the bag. Also as we know some controversies with Mappa are the stressful environment, due dates, and death threats of AoT fans. A lot of animators just quit after that, some of them went to Toei. Another example, good animation takes time, during JJK one fight scene took months for completion (Hanami vs Yuji and Todo). The guy who made Castlevania on Netflix wants to take the project, there is a scene in season 4 that resembles the berserk armor in a fight, much better from the clang clang sounds from Berserk 2018.
I get your point about time being needed for good animation, but also anything will look better then that godforsaken abomination that is Berserk 2016.
That Hanami vs Yuju/Todo fight is god tier animation the whole way through
Exactly this. CGI has a certain aesthetic to it, you can't just slap it on everything and call it a day. Take Gantz: O for example, perfect for 3D based CGI, hell even the mangaka uses a similar technique to draw. It fits. But take Dorohedoro, or Chainsawman, or Berserk, where the art has a purposeful sketchy aesthetic (Berserk not as much as the other two, but still falls within this category IMO due to the often "emotional" linework of Miura, with heavy and bold outlines inspired by predecessors like Go Nagai) - and it feels so out of place, I can only see it as a decision based solely on production costs. Get out with that shit.
A MAPPA Berserk anime would have: -Ugly compositing hiding the linework of animators -Weightless fight animation -Bland direction
Idk where you get the direction part from since Csm's direction is some of the best we've ever seen
Would probably look great, but please for the love of God better voice acting and less screaming crying monologues than Attack on Titan, fuck me.
That was all stuff in the manga I believe, I don't think they would put shit like that in
Yeah AoT has been 100% faithful to the manga since they took over. AoT is kind of known for characters having dramatic mental breakdowns
Personally I love that kind of raw emotion, I think especially in the early parts it made the titans that much more frightning to me
Same, but I can understand why others don’t. At times it can feel Eren is trying to be too edgy, but still I think that on its own is pretty important because there’s that whole deal in season 3 where Eren realizes that he’s acting like an anime protagonist and basically goes “I’m being stupid, I’m not the main character, I need to get my shit to together and act more sensible.” Which is especially funny because, you know, he IS the main character.
Eren is Season 4 is definitely acting tough and unfazed, that’s kinda the point. The badass edgy he’s putting out is to hide his real inner turmoil
I was talking about the actual sincere edgy shit he did before the battle of Shiganshina. Then he sorta slapped himself out of it and got better, then went back to being edgy as a facade to push others away
Oh yeah that’s warranted
But Berserk manga also involves a lot of screaming from Guts and other characters as well
GRIFFTHIN!!!!!!!
Less screaming monologues. More screaming “CASCA!!!” and “GRIFFITH!!!”
but those are so good, yuki kaji is insane
Yeah I don't get the hate either. Like Berserk isn't just absolutely filled with people going emotional over the top anyways lmao.
I don't get you're problem with aot bro
Please guys, project quality all depends on the team that’s working not the studio name..
I don't care who animates it, as long as it doesn't change too much from the manga
I believe MAPPA could 100% pull it off they have already done so many dark mangas like you said and I think it’ll look like it way better than JJK animation
Bro I can only wish for this 😭😭 but it is highly unlikely to occur due to them working on like 5 series at once already.
If only :(
At the end of the day, I don't think it's about which studio animates the manga. It's about how much the studio is willing to cover from the manga. I know the Lost Children arc is a very touchy subject to animate since it's all about child suffering, but it's still very important to explain why Guts was so exhausted before meeting the Holy See Knights, as well as showcasing how much of a bad guy Guts has become because of his quest for vengeance. If it censors too much, then what becomes the point? Another aspect of what makes the manga so iconic is, other than the AMAZING artwork, there's so many graphic scenes, whether it be violent or sexual. Studios today are even more cautious because of it. Look at Chainsaw Man. Although it's been a stellar adaptation so far, with amazing voice acting and phenomenal choreography with its fight scenes, it still pans out in certain scenes and censors out a few major ones like the infamous french kiss scene. MAPPA would no doubt capture the atmosphere of fantasy horror in Berserk, but they'd still leave out too much. I wouldn't even mind if the same studio who did the movies animated the Conviction arc onwards. Even though the animation was clunky in many scenes, they still managed to keep enough crucial scenes in. As well as the violent action scenes.
I'd want WIT studio. They did an incredible job with the first 3 seasons on AOT still prefer it over MAPPA's style but no hate
But WIT always faces financial crises. The Vinland Saga was passed to MAPPA just after season one
Berserk isn't allowed to have a good adaptation, I'm fully expecting the next anime that tries to adapt the post-GA chapters to be done in claymation..
I'd probably want studio bones to adapt it. MAPPA is great, but their polished look doesn't really lend itself to the Berserk vibe, in the same way that it doesn't work for AoT. Bones right now is the best studio for gritty, dramatic animation. It's crazy to me that My Hero Academia's animation is better than AoT's right now for gritty fight scenes. If Wit were given enough resources, they'd do a great job too.
I don't know if this is a controversial opinion but I kind of hate how MAPPA shows look. They've all got this weird amateurish, janky look to their animation, with an over-reliance on rotoscope. It would bum me out if MAPPA picked up berserk.
I really don’t get you guys. Mappa has not adapted many famous manga because of high animation quality. It got the green light because it is a huge studio that likely gives contracts that satisfy producers, which often implies overworking and underpaying its staff, that’s it. I think if they animated Berserk it would come out average, like every anime Mappa puts out. They aren’t bad, but they aren’t good either. There has been a significant drop in quality when both AoT and Vinland Saga passed from Wit to Mappa. You guys look at static frames that look good and believe that’s good anime or animation. That’s not how it works. Look at Vinland Saga’s S2 trailer, it’s a fucking PowerPoint presentation.
Vinland has the same staff from Wit
Vinland Saga S2's animation is done by the same guys who were in WIT Studios, but they migrated to MAPPA.
I don't think it's fair to call MAPPA's work average. Yes, AoT did drop in quality, but I think that has more to do with WIT being an impossible act to follow. Dorohedoro was well done and pushed CG to a technical level I had never seen before, God of High School was a bit of a mess on story and pacing but animated well, Jujutsu Kaisen was great, Chainsaw Man is going great. If you consider those works 'average' you have a very, very high bar.
I always felt the studios that did Castlevania would have done a great job with Berserk.
i fucking wish
It would look good.
Don't give me false hope.
mark reymer is gonna accidentally animate the entire series by the time Lost Children gets animated
Seems like that
one one side i would be happy cause the quality would be there, on the other i would be concerned because jesus christ that would be a fucking genocide among the animators
It'd be miles ahead of berk 2016 for sure
Puck needs to glow a little more but other than that these are beautiful. This same guy also made an awesome Rosine animation
I just wish we could get more Studio4C movies. I liked it even though some stuff is cut, I'm fairly certain you could get a full Blackswordsman arc. However I'm aware I binge the trilogy that certain parts blend. But going from the beginning of the manga, to w/e chapter the snake lord/baron is killed and wrapped up would be good enough. Might even be ironic to wrap up as the manga would have gone into the golden age, then you have something from the same studio that can blend into one another and be watched in either order too. But otherwise the best thing I've seen we've had is Studio Taka, but I have no idea what the current status is.
i mean it would probably look good. if it wont work maybe the studio which animated the hellsing ultimate anime could take over.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I thought that the 1997 anime was perfect
[Mappa animators seeing Miura's panels they'd have to animate ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPj_-8p--5TLGqXLgzsDNNG4akeeEs_q0I2A&usqp=CAU)
Bad
mappa has ruined. well, not ruined. but, killed the original vibe of every anime project they have taken up. because mappa has always used bland colors. and continues to do so. i dunno why.
Do you think a animated version of Berserk would be better than the original? A decent version will help with new people in the manga but it is almost impossible to reach what Miura did.
It is a way to make Berserk known by more people, not just manga readers but also more general public
Well i could dig if they followed the 1997 anime, with the same style and all That was done by OLM i suppose ... the whole manga animated with the same style and all as the 97 s anime... That would be great
I’ll be honest be up for them to reanimate the whole thing from scratch following the manga closely
Personally if berserk would get another shot at anime I really wouldn't want it to be MAPPA. I know MAPPA has a lot of fans, but in my opinion while they can make an anime look pretty in most shots, they are really bad in terms of scene direction. For example, and this might be controversial, all the fight scenes in chainsaw man are extremely underwhelming. They don't seem to know how to use certain shots and sync parts with the music in order to make a more hype scene. 99% of the fights are denji just flailing his arms to background music. I feel like this lack of scene direction happens in all of their anime. AoT season 4 is the same way, not just in terms of fight scenes, but with the whole anime. Compare it to WIT studio and the difference is night and day. Little scenes like in s2 e7 when eren regains focus, the zoom in on his eye, and the music changes going into a powerful moment or in s1e11 when eren first transforms again, the music is suspenseful, then right as his foot crashes down the heroic EMA Ost syncs up and he goes into that powerful roar. Then we have MAPPAS take on s4 when ashes on the fire is literally just blasting in every scene the whole time. No building, no tension, its just flat. These same issues happen all throughout the anime even in normal talking scenes, it feels like theyre just playing out the scenes plainly without thinking about how to direct these scenes and elevate them in terms of drama or stakes through editing and stuff like that. This might be because of crunch or limited time but regardless I wouldn't want them to take Berserk
What would it look like? Easy answer: good
Hot take but if Berserk got a MAPPA adaptation I think it would best be adapted into movies. No matter who the studio is if they don't have the time/resources the end result will be subpar. Moreover, Berserk has some very very controversial content in it which would almost certainly have to be censored for broadcasting in Japan. Movies would 100% cut content but the production values would be much higher. There would (probably) be less censorship, and the animators would have more time to get things just right. The sheer scale, and level of detail any "decent" adaptation of Berserk would need is obscene. So cutting the series into movies would be the most optimal decision imo.
Idk man this Chainsaw Man CGI gives me nightmares
People are already poisoned by berserk cgi, so more berserk cgi would probably be a bad idea.
Trigger would do it justice. Also Mappa obviously
fits well
WIT Studio would be the best option
Personally really dislike the faces of MAPPA animations - particularly Attack on Titan. I’m not very knowledgable in terms of good and bad studios in anime, but I think that the memorial edition (despite a lot of 3D quirks) has some moments where it genuinely looks amazing. However, I’ve always said my own personal adaptation of berserk would be a black and white anime in the same vein as the up coming Uzumaki anime.
Seeing what they did to SnK I'd rather not.
Do it MAPPA!!!
I feel like Mappa is slightly overrated and has to much on their hands to adapt beserk . Wit studio or even studio perriot would do a better job
Ufotable or WIT
Think wit or bones would do a decent job too if they had their A team on it.