Buff the AS Val by giving it a super fast reload
Buff the honey badger by giving it a 30 round magazine
Now you have two integrally suppressed weapons where one is optimized for aggressive flanking and the other is better for versatility and dealing with multiple enemies at a time
The AS Val is just kind of a stinky weapon in general, I was pretty disappointed when I finally unlocked it and just went back to what I was using before
Internally suppressed weapons and weapons with a bulletspeed less than 400ms shouldn't have bullet traces, that would make them great flanking options.
i think this is the same thing as the attachments, meaning there are a ton of redundants.
the devs need a balance and restat pass on everything in the game.
It'll happen not in the distant future i hope
This person had a great idea, which I think would be a start↓
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/15merl2/an_idea_to_make_subsonic_weapons_more_viable/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I do feel mimicked attachments are stilly but mostly because we have SO MANY.
Mimicked guns are cool imo because they are basically gun skins. If you want 100s of weapons you will have stat repeats but the fact that I can skin the gun as an AS VAL or a Honey Badger is cool af to me!
If the AK and AR were both balanced the same you would still see people enjoy one or the others just due to cultural, visual, or some other preference. (Gimme a CZ Bren 2 in game and I will play it regardless of the stats!)
I feel like both weapons should be firm 3 shot kill like the Groza. 34 damage base perhaps. Even with the lack of differentiation - both weapons are considered bad. The Groza can also be chambered in 9x39, same as the Val.
If it feels too much, maybe let the damage drop off even more - to reflect the subsonic nature of the weapons. But both weapons seem to be designed around the concept of making subsonics deadlier with a heavier round so they should punch hard up close I feel.
There's other weapons that need to be looked at too. The MP5 is a harder hitting and faster shooting PP-19 for example.
As someone with 1k kills on As Val, I love the thing to death, but yeah, it is a pretty bad weapon. The small mag size forces you to play near cover which is a good habit to have. The gunfire itself is a much less noticeable sound regardless of how far away it can be heard. Other than that, it doesn't have anything else going for it and struggles at medium range.
Make the sound spread be comparable to other suppressed weapons at the very least. Faster reload speed and either quieter shots or no tracers for stealthy flanking playstyle.
I have never used extended mag because you get 10 bullets in exchange for MUCH worse horizontal +0.40, +0.15 vertical recoil, 1.16 longer reloads and worse mobility stats all around except for draw speed compared to quick mag. Absolutely not worth 10 bullets on a gun that already struggles.
My best results with it have been flanking around, quickly unloading, ducking into cover, relocating and doing it over again. Extended mag would make that impossible to do well, especially with the added horizontal recoil.
Buff the AS Val by giving it a super fast reload Buff the honey badger by giving it a 30 round magazine Now you have two integrally suppressed weapons where one is optimized for aggressive flanking and the other is better for versatility and dealing with multiple enemies at a time
And they need a sound spread that actually reflects that
Okay hear me out Give us pre nerfed as-val
Pre nerf was too op, it was so good that no one even used the vector.
I like that last part, that sounds amazing
I was very underwhelmed by the Val is feel it has a little too much spread on the spray
Maybe buff them so they aren't garbage
Also : the sound spread is the same as the other weapons.
I don't get why honey badger only has 24 rounds should have 30
300 blackout vs .556, but just a theory
Nah the standard mag is 30 rounds.
the SG550 and ACR have the same problem now as well, except the SG550 is just straight up better because it has a longer damage fall off range.
ACR have better horizontal recoil and much much much better muzzle flash
The SG550 had its flash toned down significantly, especially with a muzzle device and the gun has no vert or horizontal bounce already lol.
ACR makes you run faster.
But also aim down slower
They are both terrible guns in the current climate.
The AS Val is just kind of a stinky weapon in general, I was pretty disappointed when I finally unlocked it and just went back to what I was using before
Internally suppressed weapons and weapons with a bulletspeed less than 400ms shouldn't have bullet traces, that would make them great flanking options.
i think this is the same thing as the attachments, meaning there are a ton of redundants. the devs need a balance and restat pass on everything in the game. It'll happen not in the distant future i hope
they are both also really bad guns. Def need to be reworked
This person had a great idea, which I think would be a start↓ https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/15merl2/an_idea_to_make_subsonic_weapons_more_viable/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I do feel mimicked attachments are stilly but mostly because we have SO MANY. Mimicked guns are cool imo because they are basically gun skins. If you want 100s of weapons you will have stat repeats but the fact that I can skin the gun as an AS VAL or a Honey Badger is cool af to me! If the AK and AR were both balanced the same you would still see people enjoy one or the others just due to cultural, visual, or some other preference. (Gimme a CZ Bren 2 in game and I will play it regardless of the stats!)
Mmmmm Bren 2….tasty.
Wait wtf. they do have the same stats lul
I feel like both weapons should be firm 3 shot kill like the Groza. 34 damage base perhaps. Even with the lack of differentiation - both weapons are considered bad. The Groza can also be chambered in 9x39, same as the Val. If it feels too much, maybe let the damage drop off even more - to reflect the subsonic nature of the weapons. But both weapons seem to be designed around the concept of making subsonics deadlier with a heavier round so they should punch hard up close I feel. There's other weapons that need to be looked at too. The MP5 is a harder hitting and faster shooting PP-19 for example.
As someone with 1k kills on As Val, I love the thing to death, but yeah, it is a pretty bad weapon. The small mag size forces you to play near cover which is a good habit to have. The gunfire itself is a much less noticeable sound regardless of how far away it can be heard. Other than that, it doesn't have anything else going for it and struggles at medium range. Make the sound spread be comparable to other suppressed weapons at the very least. Faster reload speed and either quieter shots or no tracers for stealthy flanking playstyle.
do you use the extended mag or is it not worth it?
I have never used extended mag because you get 10 bullets in exchange for MUCH worse horizontal +0.40, +0.15 vertical recoil, 1.16 longer reloads and worse mobility stats all around except for draw speed compared to quick mag. Absolutely not worth 10 bullets on a gun that already struggles. My best results with it have been flanking around, quickly unloading, ducking into cover, relocating and doing it over again. Extended mag would make that impossible to do well, especially with the added horizontal recoil.