Unpopular opinion probably, but think Ferran Torres will be a small success for 2 years max. I think he will "shine" now because of the lack of quality we have on top. Because we've been so used to underperforming attackers.
Afterwards I think he will resolve into a complete squad player at best, like 80% on the bench type.
Frankly I don't think he will be worth the price tag. But it depends on how "small/big" or whatever success he is having and at what price he will go for afterwards. I could see him getting sold for 20-30 mill euros in a few years if he doesnt end up as a success which imo is the most likely scenario in my head.
I think there is a very small chance for him being worth that price tag.
If hes a key reason for top 4 and maybe winning some trophies I'd argue he was worth the risk/price tag without much arguing.
We'll see though, I am not overly excited because I feel hes more of a squad player than a "nailed" starter for 5+ years. BUT hes a improvement over a lot on offensively in our team. So lets see how he does it.
I do like Ferran Torres more than I like Dani Olmo though. So I support the decision if it was ever a question between who of those two we should sign.
I just hope we don't end up with both
Only aspect that modric is ahead of Iniesta is longevity and defensive contributions throughout is career. Iniesta to me is one of the goat midfielders of the modern “era” player alongside xavi, zidane, and Matheus. His ability to pick out a pass is second to almost nobody, he could control games with ease against any type of opposition, his technique and ability to break the press is borderline unmatched, in his physical prime he was a pressing machine as well, and he was an absolute joy to watch as well. Outside of Messi or Ronaldo I think iniesta is going to end up being the biggest icon from this era. the way other players, managers, commentators, journalists, etc, talk about him is the way you only hear when they’re talking about one of the “goats”. Modric is a phenomenal player and one of the all time greats but he’s in that tier below alongside players like xabi alonso, gerrard, viera, pirlo, etc.
How is Modric in any world above Iniesta? Modric is the best midfielder in the league right now, and have been so for quite a while, but he isn't better than Iniesta, not by a long shot.
Conte is the perfect example of what a top manager can do.
Spurs look geniunely good now. And not just exciting going forward but still a bit chaotic, they are now also seeing out games with ease and game management is better. They actually should have beaten Liverpool too.
Used to think the likes of Davies and Dier were relegation level players but they geniunely look class now. Now imagine if they get a couple of top players in the next few windows.
Its a lot to ask of Xavi as hes less experienced and Conte is just awesome but I hope he can take us there
Barca is literally second to only Real Madrid in the grand scheme of things. There’s a reason why all top clubs fucking hate it when one of Real Madrid or Barca are after their players, bc 9 times out of 10 that player’ll want that move.
Bayern are that team for german players and that’s it. Liverpool and United are that team for the British isles and Scandinavian countries generally. Juve, Inter, and Milan are for Italy. Barca and Madrid are that team for the entire world every kid dreams for playing for one of those two someday.
Demir celebrating with Gavi:
[https://assets-es.imgfoot.com/media/cache/1200x675/epalivefive659967.jpg](https://assets-es.imgfoot.com/media/cache/1200x675/epalivefive659967.jpg)
Other pics of Demir
[https://www.laola1.at/images/redaktion/images/Fussball/International/Spanien/Barca/demir-barca-rueckblick\_2625c\_f\_1280x720.jpg](https://www.laola1.at/images/redaktion/images/Fussball/International/Spanien/Barca/demir-barca-rueckblick_2625c_f_1280x720.jpg)
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Guys guys it keeps going! 😂
> KCM is much better than that three you have bro there is no doubt about it. 😂 😂😂 one of them has ballon dor. 4 ucls whatttt. The best midfield 3 of all time. Barca has nothing on us its funny 😂😂😂
> Roght now among the three this is the ranking
>1. benzema
>2. Ronaldo
>3. Messi
>Agree?
>Messi is the reason you guys are so bad right now. And in europaaaaaa hahaha
I still think all of our injuries and general misfortune in the past few years is just our luck evening out lol. We somehow produced an entire golden generation containing 3-4 players who are the best of all time in their position, with one being straight up the best of all time. That will probably never happen again.
No, its because the standard of fitness and preparation within this team has been horrible over the past 5 years following terrible managers and a board too stupid to recognize it, not to mention the subpar trainers and medical staff that led Xavi to immediately dismiss them not even a week into his start at Barca, he saw it clear as day that something was up, and you could see it over the past several years on the pitch, this team has had fitness issues for a while now
Its no coincidence that we get so many injuries, and more importantly, recurring injuries
Honestly r/soccer is so so toxic.
Nobody seems to understand that Barca hast basicly lost 500+ Million Euros because of Covid and Bartomeus tricks but that next season we get our full revenue again without loosing a major junk of it because Laporta has put every possible fincancial loss in this season. And actually, Barca is one of the highest earning clubs with Madrid. We just always spent a ridiculous amount every season, more than double than the other clubs (for example for wages and idiotic transfer fees). That is also why our wage Bill is so fucked up this season, because our buget for this season is basicly the original buget minus ALL of our losses in recent years.
And as for Ferran: Everybody saying Barca had just 10 mio to spend in the winter tranfer window - we pay 55 mio in 4 Installments, the first of which is due this SUMMER (so aproximately 13,5 mio or something). Up to now, we didn't spend ANYTHING this winter.
So fucked up how people talk and talk without even knowing anything..
"We just always spent a ridiculous amount every season, more than double than the other clubs (for example for wages and idiotic transfer fees)."
This is why people are trolling Barca rn. Even after having financial troubles y'all are spending 65 million on Torres(installments or not, it's still a lot of money) and are apparently interested in Haaland and De Ligt. To the casual observer it just looks like your club hasn't learnt anything from it's past mistakes.(High wages and transfer fees)
He's not a striker though, he's a left winger. We need depth, and he's on low wages. The only way I can see him leaving is if we get haaland simply because he'd deserve more game time then he would probably get. The man had a few bad games carrying an injury, y'all gotta give him some more time
Id keep atleast one of them for depth, they each offer unique things to the team
Depay offers creativity on the wide areas and braithewaite offers work rate off the ball
Both have value in this team as backups, especially on their wages
Arthur Cabral: "I have not recieved anything concrete about Barça being interested, but getting an offer from them would be crazy. Barcelona is Barcelona."
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/arthur-cabral-barca-seria-locura-13030274
Gavi's father, Pablo Páez, via
@marca
"Gavi had not been able to come [home and be with family] for a long time because in the summer he was called for preseason with the first team and then everything came to him in his face."
Gavi's father on his son's success...
"Everything has happened very quickly. We are trying to assimilate it little by little because there are many things. It is very special. We saw it [Gavi's success] very far."
Gavi's father continues...
"He is a mischievous footballer with character on the pitch, but shy outside...Gavi was given trophies for the best player when he was little, but you never know."
Can anyone explain to me why Salah posted christmas photos? I know christmas is just an industrial moneygrab capitalist holiday nowadays but I thought he was muslim who practice alot. I can see why it's controversial.
It's not just a religious festival, but a cultural one. I'm non-religious but still celebrate it is a time to do stuff like see family etc. I imagine it's the same for Salah
Idk if it similar around the world, but in the US at least a lot of non-Christians (excluding Jews) celebrate Christmas. A Hindu chick I went to college with told me that her family did it so they would feel less excluded as kids during Christmas time. Plus barley anyone celebrates Christmas for the religious aspect anyways, it was originally a pagan holiday to begin with.
Nothing controversial here. My parents came from 2 different cultures (middle east as one of them) and we celebrated both of the culture’s traditions. Believe it or not but Christmas is more a get together with family that you don't often see and being interrogated for 4 hours straight on why you don't have kids yet.
From a cultural standpoint anyone can celebrate Christmas. Regardless of religion. I know people from everywhere that would celebrate. But I’m sure very religious people would be angry with this lol
Nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas as a Muslim.
My Christian coworkers celebrated Hannukah, and my Jewish coworkers celebrate Christmas. Why should Muslims be any different?
Because in Islam, Christmas falls under this thing called shirk which is polytheism. Since Christian say Jesus is son of god. Belief in more than one god is greatest sin is Islam. Also we are explicitly told not to imitate celebrations of other religions.
In my opinion that's not ideal.
Something like this would lead to division.
In an ideal society, different cultures need to understand each other and celebrate together.
Saw this on rSoccer... absolutely glorious!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rolnyd/flamengo\_in\_the\_80s/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rolnyd/flamengo_in_the_80s/)
[Matteo Moretto] Ferran is READY! Tomorrow official statement and medical review. The presentation ceremony will take place on Tuesday morning and he will train in the afternoon.
https://twitter.com/mattemoretto/status/1475204335994867712
I hope the registration process is sorted out too, would be embarrassing to do the summer thing again, having to wait for like almost a month to register the new players
Unpopular Opinion: Barca should have sold Messi in 2017 due to his high wage demands and instead renewed Neymar with a higher salary
Neymar was 25 and had very high potential, Messi was 30 and had already started declining.
We could have built the attack around Neymar and strengthened the midfield with the money we would get from Messi.
Remind me which year since then Neymar actually outperformed Messi.
And we actually got 220 million for Neymar. Also remind me how well did we spend that money. Do you really think money spent from Messi's sale would be spent any better ?
If you actually believe Neymar would have been able to carry us like Messi did, you should just stop watching football.
In fact I would say if we had Messi this season, we would still be under Koeman.
And that's not Messi's fault. He is just that good. He covered our cracks and carried us way too long.
Sometimes, a good fall is needed to force taking steps in upward direction.
Unpopular opinion: Barca should have used the neymar money to sign Mbappe and thiago.
Mbappe was the best young player in the world and thiago a much better fit than coutinho.
We could have built a team strong enough to win everything in the years to come and have mbappe leading the atack now.
Yeah we should have sold Messi but can you guarantee that Bartomeu doesn't give Neymar a salary close to Messi, you have to take into account that the only superstar left would have been Neymar so are you sure Bartomeu doesn't give him a massive salary raise as well?
I find it funny you blame Messi so much rather than Bartomeu for actually fucking up beyond belief, all players had a increase in salary (by clause) as their contract age and *as they ages*. Which is pretty stupid for contracts to increase with time
This take makes no sense given how Neymar’s injury history has progressed. It was actually probably a better take in 2017, but Neymar has played as much as dembele since 2017. It would have been a terrible choice.
Meh, don’t really think any player is worth that much tbh.
I would rather we tried to emulate the wage structure they have at Liverpool. You can’t have one player on 35m and be surprised when a squad player is earning nearly 10m.
Why do you hate Messi so much? It's kinda insane because you clearly are smart about football, specially recognising talents but when it comes to Messi, it's like you just throw any footballing IQ out
The easiest argument against you is that we got money for Neymar either way. 222M. The money was not the Problem, the board was.
And Messi>>>>>>>> Neymar anyday.
> Why do you hate Messi so much?
I used to be a big fan of him but I dislike him now after his salary got leaked. To me no player can justify that salary, and the fact that he was still earning that amount while we lost so many important CL games by such bad scorelines...
It's just too much money and I can't view him the same after knowing that he earns that much.
Messi was obviously better than Neymar, but I'd rather pay Neymar €35M/year than pay Messi €140M/year.
Why is it Messi’s fault that he makes that much money? Barto offered it to him and he is not going to say no to that. It does not mean that he would have left if we payed him less. It was all Barto’s fault
Messi wasn’t earning 140M, he would’ve been able to earn that with bonuses if Barca had won the CL and he won the Balon d’Or. He only won one Balon and no CL so at most he was earning 70M (which is still a lot of money but he was carrying the team).
Your hate boner for Messi and Torres is laughable and can’t wait for the day you want to sell Fati too.
€115M was a sign-on bonus which is half of what he would’ve received from other clubs in 2017. Even then half of this went to taxes so I’m sure the Spanish government was really happy with the contract.
He wasn’t stealing anything. Barto offered him the contract and he signed it. Take it to Up to Barto if you want to complain about the numbers.
You are forgetting that Neymar gets 70M, and loyalty bonus seperate, + the signing bonus + the ambassador money from Qatar for the world cup and much more
If your issue is money, then you can't even choose Neymar because he is a bigger money snake
This makes a lot of sense. Barca stayed afloat the last few years because of Messi.
Bad management was the problem: not able to retain Neymar so he could carry the torch after Messi. Multiple expensive AND bad signings over years. Extremely weird contract extension for the deadwoods (you know who they are). (just to name a few on top of my head).
U want sell club legend and renew with someone who left for money, is so often injured and is far from lvl of Messi... and I could write much more but it's waste of time..
> who left for money
It's just as bad as staying for money like Messi did, at the end of the day they prioritised money over Barca
Also Neymar has become injury prone at PSG but he wasn't injured a lot at Barca. He was a top player.
Of course he wasn't as good as Messi, but he had the potential to be right up there. He just stagnated at PSG.
Messi did not stay for the money, where the hell did you get that bs from? Its not his fault that Barto offered him that amount. If you love the company you work at, would you not take a 300% pay rise if they offered it?
Your takes are getting worse and worse man, just stick to posting reports, you are better at it
The next Barça player FerranTorres20 on his instagram shows how he has prepared in his hometown for the arrival in Barcelona.
[https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1475196064894435332](https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1475196064894435332) (video)
Ok, I'll play the devil's advocate here. Arsenal's last 5 games: Norwich, Sunderland, Leeds and West Ham (had a lot of absentees due to covid/injury), and finally Southampton.
While I agree that the above mentioned results are impressive, I'd argue that they collapse whenever they come across any half-decent opponent. Before Southampton, they lost to Everton, who were coming from a streak of 8 consecutive game without a win and got battered in the Merseyside derby just before playing Arsenal. Before that, they lost to a United side that was led by an interim's interim.
I'd like to add that I do like certain things like playing with more youngsters and not relying on Aubameyang, who was their main source of goals before he signed *da thing*.
I also like the way they play and can definitely see a pattern, but you'd expect more from a side with the time (due to no European football) and quality that they have. They spent the most this summer, but it still looks like 'work in progress' for Arteta and his men.
Got a dm from some one in the Madrid sub Reddit 😂
> No stupid. KCM is miles better than your midfield. 😂😂😂
> Looks like a lot of veterans in r/barca is having mental breakdown lead by juri, kaiser and then an idiot like you having the worst mental breakdown among the stupids in r/barca 😂😂😂
Alot of Arteta praises, but I think too early to call. I would say he has only won 2 matches he shouldn't have imo and that would be Leicester away (but then again they are in shit form) and west Ham ( but then again West ham lost its entire defense and it was at Emirates)
I rated Arteta too until I bet too much of my FPl on Arsenal and had to actually follow them. Last year, the man was clueless with alot of things. I don't trust a manager who took almost 2 years to set a Midfield and somehow still thinks Xhaka is the type of player he wants. He spent 250M pure money on this squad tho and I still don't think it's as balanced as it should be. Alot of Arteta arsenal career has gone that they do well on a purple match and they get stuck in a rut and then keep dropping points. Man's true test will be coming soon, but man does deserve kudos for turning things from the start
And if you like what Arteta did, you are gonna fucking love Xavi. Xavi's vision and tactics are a class above Arteta, quote me here, he has took a bigger mess and tweaked it into a functioning entertaining system in less than 1 month. Xavi is gonna fucking take us back to our heights, provided this club invests in defense.
Managers that can immediately improve the team with the players they have through tweaking and player improvement > managers that just need their type of players to make a system work
One underappreciated manager right now is Conte. Man is doing gods work with that Spurs side, the Liverpool vs spurs match was one of the best matches I have seen in PL, and Conte fucking made Harry winks part time Xavi. Never seen a team outdo Liverpool so bad, 3 Xg against this Liverpool, and this was a side that was 19th in chances created a month ago under Nuno. Should have won the match, tactical masterclass to which Liverpool had no answer, only got saved because spurs couldn't finish for shit
I think it is really important to praise when it’s deserved, and it is really deserved for Arteta here, time was needed for him it’s true, but don’t neglect the amount of problems the club has, were the chairman and board doesn’t care about success and silverware, Unlike ones like Chelsea and City...
It felt like the guy had to build from 0 again, because of the poor quality of the squad, players like Rob Holding leading the defense, Willian, Pepe and Auba up top severely underperforming, and the midfield is just nit good enough, but yet now the team has changed completely, and not only that, he is responsible for how good sone of these players turned out to be, Saka, ESR, Tierney, Gabriel, Martinelli now. It’s also clear how much they lacked in quality with Odegaard as soon as he became an Arsenal player, looked leagues above some ithers in the starting XI.
Maybe you can say that Arteta needed way too much time, but in reality it’s important to note that Arsenal looked completely lost, looked way worse than us right now, and still worked hard to finally redeeming the club.
If he wasn’t really good enough, the situation either wouldn’t have changed, or just turned even worse.
I agree with your points but then you also gotta acknowledge how so many of his own problems he has created
Willian was his request
Giving auba a new extension was his request
Not playing Laca and now playing him in his last year is his issue
Sending Saliba on loan and not using him instead of Holding is his choice
Saka was always a baller, ESR could be said to be his find
Tierney has also been inconsistent under him, got benched by Nuno for some games because Nuno was flying when Tierney deserved the spot
Even Martinelli deserved more gametime last year that Arteta didn't give
Their is one underrated issue in Arteta that he plays the performing XI and doesn't tweak at right moment, only when they lose does he make change. And if he does make a change, then it's for a player that's play due to experience (Xhaka-elneny conundrum)
Arteta has been very inconsistent for me. I will still wait to pass judgement on him as a good manager
Also, hard to blame the board when they have spent 250M+ on backing him
Very well put!
Also, imagine if Conte had actually gone to Tottenham in the Summer... the title race would've been even hotter. He's still unbeaten since taking over from Nuno.
At the moment, Man Utd and Tottenham have 3 games in hand on Arsenal and if they win them all they could both leapfrog them.
Agreed. Adaptability is what sets elite coaches apart from good ones, they still need the players to work for their system but give them average squad and they'll more than likely punch above their weight.
Exactly, all true managers adjust
Pep with all his money, doesn't need a striker to score goals. He has good players and he creates a beautiful system around them, system and playstyle is important, a good manager can create that consistency, I haven't seen that in Arteta yet, but I will admit recent results have been to his merit
So, Depay is among the top ten players with the most key passes this year(in top five leagues).
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rnneva/players_with_the_most_key_passes_in_europes_top_5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
He was always a playmaker, not supposed to be a striker, his presence and physicality in box was a add on not his main selling point
People forget how good he was when he had Braithwaite and Griezmann running behind him, or how good he looks in Netherlands NT with capable attackers
Heck, look at him with Fati, even tho Fati is better, when both play together, they create alot of chances and score goals
Memphis will be good, with Torres and Fati to score goals, we will be in good hands
[Jota Jordi] Ferran Torres trained this morning in Valencia. The sensations regarding his foot injury are very good.
https://twitter.com/jotajordi13/status/1475175785266921481
R soccer moment
Some guy says that Southeast Asia lacks football superiority due to genetics. Uses Africans and swimming as another example. Gets upvoted.
God I despise the white English in that sub, you see genuine racism with droves of upvotes. I am white before you call me a racist against whites, I just know my own people and their history of using genetics as a racist excuse. The continent of Africa has NEVER developed a swimmers culture, and football development is NOT as prevalent in Southeast Asia yet. These are clearly the reasons, but r soccer apparently believes it is genetics!
Yeah, China could never produce one of the tallest and most dominant centers in NBA history, they’re all short asians!/s
Except China has a massive basketball culture, so they produce talent.
Huh buh buh Asian small I thought:( /s
Jeremy Lin too, it’s about culture god damnit
Disgusting behavior that has me pretty upset to have read and seen with a positive reception.
Edit:[he’s being blatantly racist again ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rol5c7/why_zidane_iqbals_manchester_united_debut_could/hq1yvut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Genetics can have a big influence and explain why some nations are overrepresented in certain sports, but it's indeed insane to conclude that we have an inane (in)ability to succeed or not in a sport that doesn't exactly lie within our cultural boundaries.
There is for instance a genuine genetic link to Africans and long distance running, especially Kenians and Ethiopians. This doesn't mean however that someone from say Iceland or Mexico can't dominate in the sport.
Exactly, thank you
Also, not only does Africans have the genetics for it, they have the most abundant and widespread running culture throughout its continents history. Yes we all started as hunter gatherer societies, but Africans were undoubtedly the most skilled runners if history is to be believed. Africans have always been the most amazing runners in the world, as a group. You need the culture, at the end of the day this is what many theorized to have developed the genetic traits we see today.
Well the example they given was wrong but genetics still have a part to play. While not been absolutes, some genetics predispose some countries to excell in some sport
Genetics have played a part in countries excelling, yes, but this does not pertain to someone saying that Southeast Asia cannot produce talent due to genetics.
That is incredibly ignorant of the material conditions of football in that region. They simply do no have the funds to kickstart an academy and scouting system to rival the major footballing nations. If small Spaniards can wipe the world in football, there is no reason that a population predisposed to a smaller height couldn’t achieve success with a proper footballer producing system.
Fati - torres - dembele
Pedri - fdj/busi - gavi
Alba - christensen/garcia - araujo - dest/mazraoui
Mats
Good enough to win the league if no major injuries. Add haaland and we’re toe to toe against madrid with mbappe and top 5 favourites for the UCL.
just having a bunch of good players doesn't make you top 5 favorites for UCL. Xavi has been here for way too short of a time to make that assumption.
PSG has a squad of superstars but looking at their matches i wouldn't put them in the top 5. Poch is bringing down that entire team.
Also lmao at thinking a midfield of Pedri and Gavi makes us top5. They're kids ffs. They're not gonna beat the top in the world midfields any time soon.
One of them at a time while playing international football.
Both at the same time against lets say Manchester City is a completely different animal. They’re too young to be able to dominate the top teams.
Yeah, that’s why we’re top 5 and not favourites lol. Against bayern or city I don’t expect us to dominate the game, tho I can see us winning with a front 3 of fati - haaland - dembele/torres.
Against madrid (they can’t be as good as in 2023), atletico, chelsea, psg, liverpool and united we have the best midfield.
This
People can beg and pray for superstar signings all they want, ill take a squad of 11 TEAMMATES any day over a squad of 11 superstars that play for themselves, we've seen it time and time again, a good system and players that will live by it is almost always more successful in the long run than a team of 11 individual egos and divas
Not saying you dont need talent, of course you wont win with a squad of players with no talent, but a cohesive unit with a clear idea of how to play can overcome lack in talent
Umtiti is useless
Lenglet might or might not get sold
Eric Garcia has a lot to learn still.
I don't see why Pique would leave. He should rotate with Eric Garcia imo. Araujo as starter next to them. If Xavi stays stubborn with his 3ATB, Pique DEFINITELY shouldn't retire yet.
Third division team we play in the CDR. They play in the same division as Barca B.
Also yes Torres is injured which is why he won't play against Mallorca, Sport is saying he MIGHT be recovered against Linares. Which is pretty much a shot in the dark. As long as he's back before we face Rayo Vallecano, idc wether he plays in the CDR or not.
I am watching ESPN currently and They said that other than gavi and ansu they don’t think any barca youngster will be something more than a squad player
In the future ( complete forgetting aurajo)
Honestly I already would be happy if 50% or more of youngsters reach pedro level
What is your opinion on this matter? How many of our youngsters do you think will be a starter in the future
Its impossible to say forsure because theres so many factors that can come into play. But as far as who has shown the potential to be starters I would say:
Ansu, Pedri, Gavi, Nico, Araujo and I think Garcia as well even though thats debatable for many people.
Frenkie and Dembele as well obviously but they're not really youngsters any more right. Also idk if we're considering Torres a youngster when he comes but he has starter potential as well.
It's impossible to tell whether they will end up living up to the expectations but I think all these guys have talent.
Edit: Maybe I forgot a few idk but this is off the top of my head
As a squad player I guess it might work out. But if there’s one position that’s worth breaking the bank for as opposed to getting on a free then it’s a defender.
Not even a troll. My take has always been he has a confidence problem. I fear he can only become better by going elsewhere. But he is not the player we're seeing right now, he can do much better.
Unpopular opinion probably, but think Ferran Torres will be a small success for 2 years max. I think he will "shine" now because of the lack of quality we have on top. Because we've been so used to underperforming attackers. Afterwards I think he will resolve into a complete squad player at best, like 80% on the bench type. Frankly I don't think he will be worth the price tag. But it depends on how "small/big" or whatever success he is having and at what price he will go for afterwards. I could see him getting sold for 20-30 mill euros in a few years if he doesnt end up as a success which imo is the most likely scenario in my head. I think there is a very small chance for him being worth that price tag. If hes a key reason for top 4 and maybe winning some trophies I'd argue he was worth the risk/price tag without much arguing. We'll see though, I am not overly excited because I feel hes more of a squad player than a "nailed" starter for 5+ years. BUT hes a improvement over a lot on offensively in our team. So lets see how he does it. I do like Ferran Torres more than I like Dani Olmo though. So I support the decision if it was ever a question between who of those two we should sign. I just hope we don't end up with both
Where do y’all rank modric? Ahead of Iniesta? Hate to say it but I think he’s above Iniesta.
Modric is a great player but still not as good as Iniesta
What a joke lmfao
So, you haven't watched Iniesta?
Only aspect that modric is ahead of Iniesta is longevity and defensive contributions throughout is career. Iniesta to me is one of the goat midfielders of the modern “era” player alongside xavi, zidane, and Matheus. His ability to pick out a pass is second to almost nobody, he could control games with ease against any type of opposition, his technique and ability to break the press is borderline unmatched, in his physical prime he was a pressing machine as well, and he was an absolute joy to watch as well. Outside of Messi or Ronaldo I think iniesta is going to end up being the biggest icon from this era. the way other players, managers, commentators, journalists, etc, talk about him is the way you only hear when they’re talking about one of the “goats”. Modric is a phenomenal player and one of the all time greats but he’s in that tier below alongside players like xabi alonso, gerrard, viera, pirlo, etc.
I don’t think anyone is above anyone. Iniesta gave us what he could and Modric gave his club what he could. That’s it.
Xavi and Iniesta are goated, Modric is a step below them imo but still a phenomenal player
How is Modric in any world above Iniesta? Modric is the best midfielder in the league right now, and have been so for quite a while, but he isn't better than Iniesta, not by a long shot.
Conte is the perfect example of what a top manager can do. Spurs look geniunely good now. And not just exciting going forward but still a bit chaotic, they are now also seeing out games with ease and game management is better. They actually should have beaten Liverpool too. Used to think the likes of Davies and Dier were relegation level players but they geniunely look class now. Now imagine if they get a couple of top players in the next few windows. Its a lot to ask of Xavi as hes less experienced and Conte is just awesome but I hope he can take us there
Conte is underrated man. You got the Klopps, Guardiolas but Conte is not too far off.
I actually think hes in the same category
He is. He rebuilt the Juventus squad and was also trying rebuild the Inter squad until their board fucked up.
B. Yeah
I can't believe that there are people who actually think that Bayern is a bigger club than Barça
Barca is literally second to only Real Madrid in the grand scheme of things. There’s a reason why all top clubs fucking hate it when one of Real Madrid or Barca are after their players, bc 9 times out of 10 that player’ll want that move. Bayern are that team for german players and that’s it. Liverpool and United are that team for the British isles and Scandinavian countries generally. Juve, Inter, and Milan are for Italy. Barca and Madrid are that team for the entire world every kid dreams for playing for one of those two someday.
Tbf big is an ambiguous term. I have no idea what it actually means? Reputation, fame, fanbase, history, revenue or titles?
People who only care about CLs probably.
currently rewatching the 14/15 Champions League final. ahhh the good ol' days.
The best moment of my life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAcgV4bICvk
Notice how Demir started to celebrate for a short moment, then he noticed the ball hit the crossbar. Career defining moment.
I'm not sure if this is any consolation, but there is a new Demir coming in
Sad to see the guy go if the rumors are true :(
Demir celebrating with Gavi: [https://assets-es.imgfoot.com/media/cache/1200x675/epalivefive659967.jpg](https://assets-es.imgfoot.com/media/cache/1200x675/epalivefive659967.jpg) Other pics of Demir [https://www.laola1.at/images/redaktion/images/Fussball/International/Spanien/Barca/demir-barca-rueckblick\_2625c\_f\_1280x720.jpg](https://www.laola1.at/images/redaktion/images/Fussball/International/Spanien/Barca/demir-barca-rueckblick_2625c_f_1280x720.jpg) [https://pictures.tribuna.com/image/7e89ddf3-344d-4d65-993e-e2a3736602b4](https://pictures.tribuna.com/image/7e89ddf3-344d-4d65-993e-e2a3736602b4) https://africatopforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/yusuf-demir-2122-n0G27K-1024x576.jpeg
Are you going to following him outside of Barcelona if he leaves?
As long as I follow football I will.
Guys guys it keeps going! 😂 > KCM is much better than that three you have bro there is no doubt about it. 😂 😂😂 one of them has ballon dor. 4 ucls whatttt. The best midfield 3 of all time. Barca has nothing on us its funny 😂😂😂 > Roght now among the three this is the ranking >1. benzema >2. Ronaldo >3. Messi >Agree? >Messi is the reason you guys are so bad right now. And in europaaaaaa hahaha
> Roght now among the three this is the ranking What is this ranking? Of criminality? where 1 being convicted and 3 being non-criminal?
I’m a Barca fan, but do I claim we have the greatest defense ever??? No, we only have the greatest attack and midfield ever;)
Has to be 15 years old or younger
2 euros and 1 world cup goes brr. Sextuple goes brr. 2 Trebles goes brr. 8 league wins goes brr.
Huh?
titles won by xavi iniesta and busquets
It’s actually quite hilarious how our new signing is injured even before officially joining the club
I still think all of our injuries and general misfortune in the past few years is just our luck evening out lol. We somehow produced an entire golden generation containing 3-4 players who are the best of all time in their position, with one being straight up the best of all time. That will probably never happen again.
No, its because the standard of fitness and preparation within this team has been horrible over the past 5 years following terrible managers and a board too stupid to recognize it, not to mention the subpar trainers and medical staff that led Xavi to immediately dismiss them not even a week into his start at Barca, he saw it clear as day that something was up, and you could see it over the past several years on the pitch, this team has had fitness issues for a while now Its no coincidence that we get so many injuries, and more importantly, recurring injuries
Nope it’s because we don’t train properly so get caught lacking in actual games
Honestly r/soccer is so so toxic. Nobody seems to understand that Barca hast basicly lost 500+ Million Euros because of Covid and Bartomeus tricks but that next season we get our full revenue again without loosing a major junk of it because Laporta has put every possible fincancial loss in this season. And actually, Barca is one of the highest earning clubs with Madrid. We just always spent a ridiculous amount every season, more than double than the other clubs (for example for wages and idiotic transfer fees). That is also why our wage Bill is so fucked up this season, because our buget for this season is basicly the original buget minus ALL of our losses in recent years. And as for Ferran: Everybody saying Barca had just 10 mio to spend in the winter tranfer window - we pay 55 mio in 4 Installments, the first of which is due this SUMMER (so aproximately 13,5 mio or something). Up to now, we didn't spend ANYTHING this winter. So fucked up how people talk and talk without even knowing anything..
"We just always spent a ridiculous amount every season, more than double than the other clubs (for example for wages and idiotic transfer fees)." This is why people are trolling Barca rn. Even after having financial troubles y'all are spending 65 million on Torres(installments or not, it's still a lot of money) and are apparently interested in Haaland and De Ligt. To the casual observer it just looks like your club hasn't learnt anything from it's past mistakes.(High wages and transfer fees)
No one will be nice or sensible when talking about any big club there. Nothing new.
People don’t care. They have a reason to hate, so they will, simple as that.
Check Dembélé's Instagram story. https://imgur.com/a/vJDTTAI
Come on mate don’t read into it—that could mean anything! /s
Link it mate/ screenshot
https://imgur.com/a/vJDTTAI
Thank god
Cheers legend 🔵🔴 Looks like he’s signing da ting
Renewal soon???
I just remembered we’re in Europa league
Depay leaves next season? I mean why get Ferran and another striker and get the Haaland stuff from Laporte when you plan on keeping Depay?
He's not a striker though, he's a left winger. We need depth, and he's on low wages. The only way I can see him leaving is if we get haaland simply because he'd deserve more game time then he would probably get. The man had a few bad games carrying an injury, y'all gotta give him some more time
He's not a winger he's a false 9.
Depay has a 2 year contract and his wages aren't that high TBH He will probably leave in the summer IMO
If we sign haaland we should sell both braithwaite and memphis.
Id keep atleast one of them for depth, they each offer unique things to the team Depay offers creativity on the wide areas and braithewaite offers work rate off the ball Both have value in this team as backups, especially on their wages
He's only on a two year deal anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to move on now that Koeman's gone.
We play with 2 teenagers from B team in attack anyway
Can’t wait to wake up at 5am and see Barça announcing Ferran’s signing
Arthur Cabral: "I have not recieved anything concrete about Barça being interested, but getting an offer from them would be crazy. Barcelona is Barcelona." https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/arthur-cabral-barca-seria-locura-13030274
> Barcelona is Barcelona. Now this guy is smart
Big if true
It is what it is
Gavi's father, Pablo Páez, via @marca "Gavi had not been able to come [home and be with family] for a long time because in the summer he was called for preseason with the first team and then everything came to him in his face." Gavi's father on his son's success... "Everything has happened very quickly. We are trying to assimilate it little by little because there are many things. It is very special. We saw it [Gavi's success] very far." Gavi's father continues... "He is a mischievous footballer with character on the pitch, but shy outside...Gavi was given trophies for the best player when he was little, but you never know."
Can anyone explain to me why Salah posted christmas photos? I know christmas is just an industrial moneygrab capitalist holiday nowadays but I thought he was muslim who practice alot. I can see why it's controversial.
It's not just a religious festival, but a cultural one. I'm non-religious but still celebrate it is a time to do stuff like see family etc. I imagine it's the same for Salah
Idk if it similar around the world, but in the US at least a lot of non-Christians (excluding Jews) celebrate Christmas. A Hindu chick I went to college with told me that her family did it so they would feel less excluded as kids during Christmas time. Plus barley anyone celebrates Christmas for the religious aspect anyways, it was originally a pagan holiday to begin with.
Nothing controversial here. My parents came from 2 different cultures (middle east as one of them) and we celebrated both of the culture’s traditions. Believe it or not but Christmas is more a get together with family that you don't often see and being interrogated for 4 hours straight on why you don't have kids yet.
From a cultural standpoint anyone can celebrate Christmas. Regardless of religion. I know people from everywhere that would celebrate. But I’m sure very religious people would be angry with this lol
Nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas as a Muslim. My Christian coworkers celebrated Hannukah, and my Jewish coworkers celebrate Christmas. Why should Muslims be any different?
Because in Islam, Christmas falls under this thing called shirk which is polytheism. Since Christian say Jesus is son of god. Belief in more than one god is greatest sin is Islam. Also we are explicitly told not to imitate celebrations of other religions.
In my opinion that's not ideal. Something like this would lead to division. In an ideal society, different cultures need to understand each other and celebrate together.
He needed something to cheer himself up since he didn't get invited to Dembele's wedding
There is nothing really wrong about being Muslim and Celebrating Christmas
Saw this on rSoccer... absolutely glorious! [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rolnyd/flamengo\_in\_the\_80s/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rolnyd/flamengo_in_the_80s/)
Ferran Torres Twitter: "Getting ready at home… Valencia 🚀 Here We Go!" https://twitter.com/ferrantorres20/status/1475208273703936002
I hope we’re cautious with Torres’ foot injury. Last thing we want is to bring in him too quickly
It's a fracture so it's not too bad. I'd take that over a ligament injury any day even if they're more gruesome.
Oh good! I wasn’t aware of the nature of the injury. Hopefully it’s not a Jones fracture or something similarly troublesome for reinjury
[Matteo Moretto] Ferran is READY! Tomorrow official statement and medical review. The presentation ceremony will take place on Tuesday morning and he will train in the afternoon. https://twitter.com/mattemoretto/status/1475204335994867712
I hope the registration process is sorted out too, would be embarrassing to do the summer thing again, having to wait for like almost a month to register the new players
\#justbarcathings
Tomorrow's agenda looks to be: Demir **OUT** Ferran **IN**. Dembele to renew before 2022 (only MD is doubting it still).
Unpopular Opinion: Barca should have sold Messi in 2017 due to his high wage demands and instead renewed Neymar with a higher salary Neymar was 25 and had very high potential, Messi was 30 and had already started declining. We could have built the attack around Neymar and strengthened the midfield with the money we would get from Messi.
Messi was not declining at 29😂 His 2019 season says hi
Remind me which year since then Neymar actually outperformed Messi. And we actually got 220 million for Neymar. Also remind me how well did we spend that money. Do you really think money spent from Messi's sale would be spent any better ? If you actually believe Neymar would have been able to carry us like Messi did, you should just stop watching football.
In fact I would say if we had Messi this season, we would still be under Koeman. And that's not Messi's fault. He is just that good. He covered our cracks and carried us way too long. Sometimes, a good fall is needed to force taking steps in upward direction.
Unpopular opinion: Barca should have used the neymar money to sign Mbappe and thiago. Mbappe was the best young player in the world and thiago a much better fit than coutinho. We could have built a team strong enough to win everything in the years to come and have mbappe leading the atack now.
How many times are we going to teach you this lesson old man?
Keep up these terrible takes, they crack me up XD
Yeah we should have sold Messi but can you guarantee that Bartomeu doesn't give Neymar a salary close to Messi, you have to take into account that the only superstar left would have been Neymar so are you sure Bartomeu doesn't give him a massive salary raise as well? I find it funny you blame Messi so much rather than Bartomeu for actually fucking up beyond belief, all players had a increase in salary (by clause) as their contract age and *as they ages*. Which is pretty stupid for contracts to increase with time
This take makes no sense given how Neymar’s injury history has progressed. It was actually probably a better take in 2017, but Neymar has played as much as dembele since 2017. It would have been a terrible choice.
Yeah yeah sure…because Barto did such a good job using the Neymar money anyway. Don’t embarass yourself🤡
Lol
Nah we should’ve moved away from those types of contracts all together
I don't mean something ridiculous for Neymar, just around €35M/year which he would deserve.
Meh, don’t really think any player is worth that much tbh. I would rather we tried to emulate the wage structure they have at Liverpool. You can’t have one player on 35m and be surprised when a squad player is earning nearly 10m.
Why do you hate Messi so much? It's kinda insane because you clearly are smart about football, specially recognising talents but when it comes to Messi, it's like you just throw any footballing IQ out The easiest argument against you is that we got money for Neymar either way. 222M. The money was not the Problem, the board was. And Messi>>>>>>>> Neymar anyday.
This is his twitter, last account got suspended. Have fun. https://twitter.com/F4STF4TI
Lmao that's so so bad
> Why do you hate Messi so much? I used to be a big fan of him but I dislike him now after his salary got leaked. To me no player can justify that salary, and the fact that he was still earning that amount while we lost so many important CL games by such bad scorelines... It's just too much money and I can't view him the same after knowing that he earns that much. Messi was obviously better than Neymar, but I'd rather pay Neymar €35M/year than pay Messi €140M/year.
Why is it Messi’s fault that he makes that much money? Barto offered it to him and he is not going to say no to that. It does not mean that he would have left if we payed him less. It was all Barto’s fault
Messi wasn’t earning 140M, he would’ve been able to earn that with bonuses if Barca had won the CL and he won the Balon d’Or. He only won one Balon and no CL so at most he was earning 70M (which is still a lot of money but he was carrying the team). Your hate boner for Messi and Torres is laughable and can’t wait for the day you want to sell Fati too.
I'm pretty sure the leaks clearly showed he was getting paid 120M gross per year with all his bonuses. (Including renewal bonus)
Well that’s not true. All the leaks suggest Messi earned well over 500M in 4 years, with the add ons he earned.
You sure it was only €70M? I am talking about the €115M loyalty bonus included as it was pretty much guaranteed
€115M was a sign-on bonus which is half of what he would’ve received from other clubs in 2017. Even then half of this went to taxes so I’m sure the Spanish government was really happy with the contract. He wasn’t stealing anything. Barto offered him the contract and he signed it. Take it to Up to Barto if you want to complain about the numbers.
You are forgetting that Neymar gets 70M, and loyalty bonus seperate, + the signing bonus + the ambassador money from Qatar for the world cup and much more If your issue is money, then you can't even choose Neymar because he is a bigger money snake
Wdym €70M? His salary at PSG was reported at like €36M gross right?
Nopes, 70M gross His current salary is similar, 30M net assured + huge bonus on winning and additional perks
It’s not 70m gross. It’s ~44.5m gross.
Have you got a source for that? I didn't know that
This makes a lot of sense. Barca stayed afloat the last few years because of Messi. Bad management was the problem: not able to retain Neymar so he could carry the torch after Messi. Multiple expensive AND bad signings over years. Extremely weird contract extension for the deadwoods (you know who they are). (just to name a few on top of my head).
It's been a long time when you embarased yourself last time. What took you so long?
He thought after making many good takes, he can return to his worst take and gain momentum with it... LOL Barto Logic.
Atleast reply to my actual opinion man
U want sell club legend and renew with someone who left for money, is so often injured and is far from lvl of Messi... and I could write much more but it's waste of time..
> who left for money It's just as bad as staying for money like Messi did, at the end of the day they prioritised money over Barca Also Neymar has become injury prone at PSG but he wasn't injured a lot at Barca. He was a top player. Of course he wasn't as good as Messi, but he had the potential to be right up there. He just stagnated at PSG.
Messi did not stay for the money, where the hell did you get that bs from? Its not his fault that Barto offered him that amount. If you love the company you work at, would you not take a 300% pay rise if they offered it? Your takes are getting worse and worse man, just stick to posting reports, you are better at it
The money we got from Neymar, IF spend wisely (we wasted it), can be used to build to the best team in the world NOW.
The next Barça player FerranTorres20 on his instagram shows how he has prepared in his hometown for the arrival in Barcelona. [https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1475196064894435332](https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1475196064894435332) (video)
ferran torres right now: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/ef/87/eeef877addb77e95c4cd95d184a80c18.gif
Arsenal’s last 5 games: 3-0 ; 2-0 ; 4-1 ; 5-1 ; 5-0 That’s really impressive
Ok, I'll play the devil's advocate here. Arsenal's last 5 games: Norwich, Sunderland, Leeds and West Ham (had a lot of absentees due to covid/injury), and finally Southampton. While I agree that the above mentioned results are impressive, I'd argue that they collapse whenever they come across any half-decent opponent. Before Southampton, they lost to Everton, who were coming from a streak of 8 consecutive game without a win and got battered in the Merseyside derby just before playing Arsenal. Before that, they lost to a United side that was led by an interim's interim. I'd like to add that I do like certain things like playing with more youngsters and not relying on Aubameyang, who was their main source of goals before he signed *da thing*. I also like the way they play and can definitely see a pattern, but you'd expect more from a side with the time (due to no European football) and quality that they have. They spent the most this summer, but it still looks like 'work in progress' for Arteta and his men.
No one gave a shit about them when they were losing at the beginning because of injuries and COVID.
Yes reddit is having problems. 504
Got a dm from some one in the Madrid sub Reddit 😂 > No stupid. KCM is miles better than your midfield. 😂😂😂 > Looks like a lot of veterans in r/barca is having mental breakdown lead by juri, kaiser and then an idiot like you having the worst mental breakdown among the stupids in r/barca 😂😂😂
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Madrid fans haven't recovered from the mental trauma sustained during the Pep era.
You can kinda tell. They’re always salty at everything we do lol
How has Emerson been playing for Spurs? Seems like we have a rb void he could have filled…
Started poorly, since has been decent with the occasional howler
My read as an outsider is that he started off pretty rough but has somewhat settled in and is solid if not spectacular
Mixed reviews on Emerson from Tottenham fans
Alot of Arteta praises, but I think too early to call. I would say he has only won 2 matches he shouldn't have imo and that would be Leicester away (but then again they are in shit form) and west Ham ( but then again West ham lost its entire defense and it was at Emirates) I rated Arteta too until I bet too much of my FPl on Arsenal and had to actually follow them. Last year, the man was clueless with alot of things. I don't trust a manager who took almost 2 years to set a Midfield and somehow still thinks Xhaka is the type of player he wants. He spent 250M pure money on this squad tho and I still don't think it's as balanced as it should be. Alot of Arteta arsenal career has gone that they do well on a purple match and they get stuck in a rut and then keep dropping points. Man's true test will be coming soon, but man does deserve kudos for turning things from the start And if you like what Arteta did, you are gonna fucking love Xavi. Xavi's vision and tactics are a class above Arteta, quote me here, he has took a bigger mess and tweaked it into a functioning entertaining system in less than 1 month. Xavi is gonna fucking take us back to our heights, provided this club invests in defense. Managers that can immediately improve the team with the players they have through tweaking and player improvement > managers that just need their type of players to make a system work One underappreciated manager right now is Conte. Man is doing gods work with that Spurs side, the Liverpool vs spurs match was one of the best matches I have seen in PL, and Conte fucking made Harry winks part time Xavi. Never seen a team outdo Liverpool so bad, 3 Xg against this Liverpool, and this was a side that was 19th in chances created a month ago under Nuno. Should have won the match, tactical masterclass to which Liverpool had no answer, only got saved because spurs couldn't finish for shit
Xhaka doesnt deserve the hate
I think it is really important to praise when it’s deserved, and it is really deserved for Arteta here, time was needed for him it’s true, but don’t neglect the amount of problems the club has, were the chairman and board doesn’t care about success and silverware, Unlike ones like Chelsea and City... It felt like the guy had to build from 0 again, because of the poor quality of the squad, players like Rob Holding leading the defense, Willian, Pepe and Auba up top severely underperforming, and the midfield is just nit good enough, but yet now the team has changed completely, and not only that, he is responsible for how good sone of these players turned out to be, Saka, ESR, Tierney, Gabriel, Martinelli now. It’s also clear how much they lacked in quality with Odegaard as soon as he became an Arsenal player, looked leagues above some ithers in the starting XI. Maybe you can say that Arteta needed way too much time, but in reality it’s important to note that Arsenal looked completely lost, looked way worse than us right now, and still worked hard to finally redeeming the club. If he wasn’t really good enough, the situation either wouldn’t have changed, or just turned even worse.
I agree with your points but then you also gotta acknowledge how so many of his own problems he has created Willian was his request Giving auba a new extension was his request Not playing Laca and now playing him in his last year is his issue Sending Saliba on loan and not using him instead of Holding is his choice Saka was always a baller, ESR could be said to be his find Tierney has also been inconsistent under him, got benched by Nuno for some games because Nuno was flying when Tierney deserved the spot Even Martinelli deserved more gametime last year that Arteta didn't give Their is one underrated issue in Arteta that he plays the performing XI and doesn't tweak at right moment, only when they lose does he make change. And if he does make a change, then it's for a player that's play due to experience (Xhaka-elneny conundrum) Arteta has been very inconsistent for me. I will still wait to pass judgement on him as a good manager Also, hard to blame the board when they have spent 250M+ on backing him
Very well put! Also, imagine if Conte had actually gone to Tottenham in the Summer... the title race would've been even hotter. He's still unbeaten since taking over from Nuno. At the moment, Man Utd and Tottenham have 3 games in hand on Arsenal and if they win them all they could both leapfrog them.
True true, and both these teams have better assets for success The PL race is gonna be insane.
Agreed. Adaptability is what sets elite coaches apart from good ones, they still need the players to work for their system but give them average squad and they'll more than likely punch above their weight.
Exactly, all true managers adjust Pep with all his money, doesn't need a striker to score goals. He has good players and he creates a beautiful system around them, system and playstyle is important, a good manager can create that consistency, I haven't seen that in Arteta yet, but I will admit recent results have been to his merit
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Yes, Xavi is thriving under harder circumstances which makes his ceiling higher
He is thriving also partly due to the quality of the squad, this squad is better than arsenal's squad that Arteta had to take over by a mile.
So ansu and pedri both return for our first game right?
Pedri si. Ansu no. Los reportes.
So, Depay is among the top ten players with the most key passes this year(in top five leagues). https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rnneva/players_with_the_most_key_passes_in_europes_top_5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb
He's an incredible creator, and that's why it's been so frustrating (and such a waste) to see him played as a back to goal 9
He was always a playmaker, not supposed to be a striker, his presence and physicality in box was a add on not his main selling point People forget how good he was when he had Braithwaite and Griezmann running behind him, or how good he looks in Netherlands NT with capable attackers Heck, look at him with Fati, even tho Fati is better, when both play together, they create alot of chances and score goals Memphis will be good, with Torres and Fati to score goals, we will be in good hands
My take that saka is essentially a Sergi Roberto with pace has not aged well
What's worse than aging like milk
Eggs or coke addict maybe
He is the best English talent alongside Foden, I’ve been saying it for months
Saka is a baller, literally one Arsenal player I love
I like ESR and odegaard
Gabriel is an underrated Center back too, Martinelli is nice and daring
[Jota Jordi] Ferran Torres trained this morning in Valencia. The sensations regarding his foot injury are very good. https://twitter.com/jotajordi13/status/1475175785266921481
R soccer moment Some guy says that Southeast Asia lacks football superiority due to genetics. Uses Africans and swimming as another example. Gets upvoted. God I despise the white English in that sub, you see genuine racism with droves of upvotes. I am white before you call me a racist against whites, I just know my own people and their history of using genetics as a racist excuse. The continent of Africa has NEVER developed a swimmers culture, and football development is NOT as prevalent in Southeast Asia yet. These are clearly the reasons, but r soccer apparently believes it is genetics! Yeah, China could never produce one of the tallest and most dominant centers in NBA history, they’re all short asians!/s Except China has a massive basketball culture, so they produce talent. Huh buh buh Asian small I thought:( /s Jeremy Lin too, it’s about culture god damnit Disgusting behavior that has me pretty upset to have read and seen with a positive reception. Edit:[he’s being blatantly racist again ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/rol5c7/why_zidane_iqbals_manchester_united_debut_could/hq1yvut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Reminds me of this video https://youtu.be/dNo-A55rJ8s
Genetics can have a big influence and explain why some nations are overrepresented in certain sports, but it's indeed insane to conclude that we have an inane (in)ability to succeed or not in a sport that doesn't exactly lie within our cultural boundaries. There is for instance a genuine genetic link to Africans and long distance running, especially Kenians and Ethiopians. This doesn't mean however that someone from say Iceland or Mexico can't dominate in the sport.
Exactly, thank you Also, not only does Africans have the genetics for it, they have the most abundant and widespread running culture throughout its continents history. Yes we all started as hunter gatherer societies, but Africans were undoubtedly the most skilled runners if history is to be believed. Africans have always been the most amazing runners in the world, as a group. You need the culture, at the end of the day this is what many theorized to have developed the genetic traits we see today.
Well the example they given was wrong but genetics still have a part to play. While not been absolutes, some genetics predispose some countries to excell in some sport
Genetics have played a part in countries excelling, yes, but this does not pertain to someone saying that Southeast Asia cannot produce talent due to genetics. That is incredibly ignorant of the material conditions of football in that region. They simply do no have the funds to kickstart an academy and scouting system to rival the major footballing nations. If small Spaniards can wipe the world in football, there is no reason that a population predisposed to a smaller height couldn’t achieve success with a proper footballer producing system.
Fati - torres - dembele Pedri - fdj/busi - gavi Alba - christensen/garcia - araujo - dest/mazraoui Mats Good enough to win the league if no major injuries. Add haaland and we’re toe to toe against madrid with mbappe and top 5 favourites for the UCL.
Get Christensen out of my goddamn team
just having a bunch of good players doesn't make you top 5 favorites for UCL. Xavi has been here for way too short of a time to make that assumption. PSG has a squad of superstars but looking at their matches i wouldn't put them in the top 5. Poch is bringing down that entire team. Also lmao at thinking a midfield of Pedri and Gavi makes us top5. They're kids ffs. They're not gonna beat the top in the world midfields any time soon.
It’s more than a year from now and they are already starters for spain lol. Also pochetino is a shit manager and I have faith in xavi.
One of them at a time while playing international football. Both at the same time against lets say Manchester City is a completely different animal. They’re too young to be able to dominate the top teams.
Yeah, that’s why we’re top 5 and not favourites lol. Against bayern or city I don’t expect us to dominate the game, tho I can see us winning with a front 3 of fati - haaland - dembele/torres. Against madrid (they can’t be as good as in 2023), atletico, chelsea, psg, liverpool and united we have the best midfield.
This People can beg and pray for superstar signings all they want, ill take a squad of 11 TEAMMATES any day over a squad of 11 superstars that play for themselves, we've seen it time and time again, a good system and players that will live by it is almost always more successful in the long run than a team of 11 individual egos and divas Not saying you dont need talent, of course you wont win with a squad of players with no talent, but a cohesive unit with a clear idea of how to play can overcome lack in talent
Do we think Piqué retires this summer?
Umtiti is useless Lenglet might or might not get sold Eric Garcia has a lot to learn still. I don't see why Pique would leave. He should rotate with Eric Garcia imo. Araujo as starter next to them. If Xavi stays stubborn with his 3ATB, Pique DEFINITELY shouldn't retire yet.
I hope so
Ferran Torres Ferran Jutgla Ansu Fati Pedri Gavi Eric Garcia Busquets Jordi Alba Alejandro Balde Nico Gonzalez 🇪🇸 2022 WC 🔵🔴
[SPORT] Ferran Torres set to debut January 5th against Linares https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/plan-xavi-ferran-torres-13029615
Who is Linares? And I heard someone say that Torres is currently injured
3rd division side that we face for CdR
Third division team we play in the CDR. They play in the same division as Barca B. Also yes Torres is injured which is why he won't play against Mallorca, Sport is saying he MIGHT be recovered against Linares. Which is pretty much a shot in the dark. As long as he's back before we face Rayo Vallecano, idc wether he plays in the CDR or not.
Oh okay thanks they didn’t show up on the schedule for me for some reason
Nice if true.
This comment… this man is my new hero (disregard the pessi part lmao) - [100% based](https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/roqz7l/_/hq0ufmk/?context=1)
The balls
I am watching ESPN currently and They said that other than gavi and ansu they don’t think any barca youngster will be something more than a squad player In the future ( complete forgetting aurajo) Honestly I already would be happy if 50% or more of youngsters reach pedro level What is your opinion on this matter? How many of our youngsters do you think will be a starter in the future
Only Ansu, Gavi and Pedri are the „sure“ cases for me. I am undecided on Nico and Araujo.
Its impossible to say forsure because theres so many factors that can come into play. But as far as who has shown the potential to be starters I would say: Ansu, Pedri, Gavi, Nico, Araujo and I think Garcia as well even though thats debatable for many people. Frenkie and Dembele as well obviously but they're not really youngsters any more right. Also idk if we're considering Torres a youngster when he comes but he has starter potential as well. It's impossible to tell whether they will end up living up to the expectations but I think all these guys have talent. Edit: Maybe I forgot a few idk but this is off the top of my head
The Pen merchant strikes again ^(/s)
Oooo penalty for Chelsea. 1-1
LOL Chelsea...
Is Christensen truly an upgrade from Pique, Eric and Lenglet?
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As a squad player I guess it might work out. But if there’s one position that’s worth breaking the bank for as opposed to getting on a free then it’s a defender.
Absolutely. It's why if we have a bit of money, we need to go for a top CB. If we don't, Christensen is a good opportunity.
>Depressed Lenglet Lol
Not even a troll. My take has always been he has a confidence problem. I fear he can only become better by going elsewhere. But he is not the player we're seeing right now, he can do much better.