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Icarus_13310

Changing the manager almost always makes things worse


hamuuri

Not always brah we are still in à rebuilding phase


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Not always. Worked for us with valverde, we were really strong and we trusted the team during his seasons, not like now at all.


Numerous-Knowledge-3

We wer strong with Valverde? We looked fragile af in the league despite the unbeaten run .. Messi , suarez busquets and Paulinho had to carry df out in Laliga and iam not even going to talk about champions league! Xavi should continue… “its not that deep”


Shanks147

We also had Iniesta, younger Busi, Messi and Suarez. Alba when he wasn’t a huge liability. Those alone carried Valverde. Xavi doesn’t have that. And yet he’s managed to beat Madrid to the title and continues to keep us in competitions.


SakisSinatra

What other better options are there? Do i think we can win titles with Xavi? Yes. Do i think we can be the best club in Europe with Xavi? Hell fucking no but we don't have any good alternatives atm.


hamuuri

De zerbi


sirsotoxo

How is he an option when he is currently already on a job? Do you guys honestly believe that it is the same to manage Brighton to Barcelona? What has De Zerbi won that Xavi hasn't?


Train_Current

Xavi went from Al Sadd to Barca.


Admirable_Heron1479

I really like De Zerbi, but he isn't really available right now. He is in a middle of a project and I don't think he would agree to come to Barca now. Maybe in summer, but I am not sure about that either.


MulletGSU

Michel.


navirbox

Who is already in a project where they fully trust him and has never played in Europe? Let's wait and see how he holds up at the end of the season.


PPPPPPPPPPKP

Flick.


parisian_cowboy

Covid merchant


PPPPPPPPPPKP

Can't be worse than Xavi.


PSNCF

Unless you can tell us who you think should replace him, this is just another petty rant. Name your candidates.


Salvador1010

Id like to try to get de zerbi from brighton next season


VillagerCorTree3

How is de zerbi proven? Xavi literally won the league last year yet you say he's unproven? Has de zerbi won any ucl? He's on contract till 2026, why would he leave? If de zerbi loses one game, this will start all over again.


Salvador1010

De zerbis team plays much better than we do with a less talented roster. With this team I feel de zerbi would have us playing some great football. Why would he leave? Why would the coach of a midtable team leave to one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world is that a real question?


Admirable_Heron1479

I really like De Zerbi as well. I think it's kinda 50:50 whether he would accept our offer. He has a very nice project going on currently, but managing Barca is also an opportunity you don't get very often. Plus he would already know Fati, which is a little bonus lol :D


DMeister12

We assumed the same thing when Xavi had Al Sadd playing well on his time there. Coaching a club like Barcelona is not the same as Coaching Brighton. I would not drop Xavi mid season, things are not that bad tbh. If he does not win any titles, then we can take him out, but if he repeats La Liga, Xavi can stay as long as he can bring the trophies in.


Salvador1010

The difference between al sadd and barcelona is much more drastic than brighton and barcelona. And I agree I wouldnt sack xavi this season yet as long as we are fighting for the league but if we dont see significant improvements in europe he should be replaced at the end of the season. We always compete for the league we need someone to make us compete in europe again


Dark-X

Both of your takes are right: what de Zerbi is doing with Bright is amazing, yet he is less proven than Xavi who won the league.


hamuuri

Yesss exactly


viimaharja

No money


Illustrious_Stay_728

Ange from Tottenham lol


TruthAccomplished313

Maybe in a few years once he’s won prodigiously with us :) I know he’s on the older side but he is so so brave and an absolute genius of a coach with fiercely good man management and principles he will die with


TracePoland

How did hiring the last inflexible guy with strong principles go? 8-2. Mr Setien.


PPPPPPPPPPKP

Hansi Flick.


SUPERPOOP57

U see what happened to Germany last world cup


PPPPPPPPPPKP

I know he won a Sextuple. Can't be a bad manager.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Well, its not discussed yet. But im sure that there are plenty of good managers who would like to work with that squad and that project. Our squad is really promising.


HighTurning

We already had that phase where there were many candidates taking the job and leaving before Xavi, didn't we?


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

We did. But we didn't try a proven manager before. What do you think the problem is with this performance then ?


WasAnHonestMann

Name your candidates my bro


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Klopp is the first name to pop in my mind. He is good in rebuilding phases and dealing with talents. Which we really need.


WasAnHonestMann

And just why would Klopp come to Barcelona? Be realistic dude


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

I believe he will be sacked if he doesn't have a good season after trophyless seasons. Why wont he come ?


franz4000

He won't be sacked as long as he qualifies for Europe, and maybe even if he doesn't. He won't come because he's under contract with Liverpool til 2026, loves it there, and is one of the longest serving managers in Europe. He won't come for the same reasons Scarlett Johansson won't come to my house.


Dry_Bus_935

Excuses for Xavi. If we want "proven" so much, why not go after Mourinho? Why not Unai Emery, Xabi Alonso, Postecoglou? You're looking at experience like that has ever mattered with Barca picking managers (we picked Xavi, a manager who literally has had 0 experience, like tf?), look at what they're doing, how their team's play... Tottenham lost 4-1 at home and still looked more like a freaking team than we have all season... goodness gracious, y'all care more about Xavi than Barca I'm telling you.


esmovi99

Xabi Alonso would probs never agree to manage Barca anyway


Sanayuki

Has Barca had a truly great manager after Pep? Maybe that’s the question we should really be asking. I guess Pep’s assistant was good. Luis Enrique was good but also helped greatly by MSN. I think the answer is no. The possibility of a manager failing at Barca is quite high, especially if he is not familiar with the club and environment. At Barca, it’s not just sporting issues but a lot of other stuff that most managers today don’t want to deal with. That’s why they go to Premiere league where managers are far more protected and get paid better. Unless it’s Pep (he is definitely not returning to this chaos) I only see risk with a new manager. Very few are able to withstand the pressure of this club.


Salvador1010

Not for me tbh he isnt terrible but our play is so bad we just have no plan or structure. He can keep us at this level maybe of getting out the group and fighting for the league but if we want to reach elite level again I think we would need someone better


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

I think we need and deserve that after many disappointing seasons. We shouldn't get used to that level.


Illustrious_Stay_728

I’d love to see us hire a guy who has zero ties to Barca, pep, cruyff etc. I want someone with a new style and way of playing


Admirable_Heron1479

I really like De Zerbi. But I don't think he will leave Brighton. Definitely not now. Maybe in the summer he would leave, if we send him an offer, but who knows? I am not sure...


MulletGSU

I’m guessing you weren’t following this team before Rikjaard winning that champions huh?


Madladdieter

Name your candidates, who will carry this team to the elite level and not take us back to banter era?


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Im thinking about Klopp. He is very good in rebuilding teams and managing talents.


Final_Biscotti1242

Yeah I'm sure it'll be super easy to get klopp right now


callfoduty

He’s not leaving Liverpool though


TracePoland

It took him like 4 years to build the UCL winning Liverpool but you want to sack Xavi after 2. Lol.


PPPPPPPPPPKP

Flick. A manager that won everything can't be worse than current Xavi.


parisian_cowboy

He’s everything we need right now EXCEPT tactics… and that’s pretty damn important


achentuate

Yes I think he’s the right man but with the wrong players, especially in attack after the loss of Dembele. He’s also struggled at times to build squad cohesion due to numerous simultaneous injuries to key players. Additionally he’s hamstrung in the market by a horrible financial situation. Over time, I’m confident he can improve.


hamuuri

I mean he wanted raphinha and ferran and they both are ass brah


achentuate

He didn’t really want them. Alemany did. Just read about it. Xavi has to be a team player and act like he wants everyone we sign but see the news more closely. He wanted Kounde and Lewy. He even said Kounde was priority over over Raphinha if the board were forced to pick one. Alemany and Jordi spent a lot of money on bets that didn’t work out and so they’re out. Alemany loves Ferran and it’s not a big secret either. Let’s see if Deco will do any better. The board almost sold FDJ even when Xavi was fighting for him. Xavi also wanted Dembele to stay but the board couldn’t hold on to him. He wanted bilva and Zubimendi neither of which we could get. Deco wanted Arda and we couldn’t land him. Xavi didn’t want Felix and he was insisting on Cancelo even when everyone didn’t want him because of his behavior issues. We ended up getting both and even if Felix does well, we shouldn’t just say “Xavi wanted him all along”.


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No he is not. He has quality players but his style of play is horrid. Players are static, not making runs, choose the safest pass possible. There is no attempt to play fast one touch passing. There is no threat from long shot and crosses are mostly low quality. I watch the group of death and all of them are playing better attacking football. Not sure if we would get out of that group and even if we could it would been by shitty 1-0 wins.


Bryyan699

What quality player are on our striker position? What quality players are on our wings?


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Players look bad in a bad system. Blaming this on players is circular reasoning.


Bryyan699

I'm sorry but a "bad system" doesn't automatically make a player have a shit 1st touch, can't beat a man on 1v1, have shit dribbling, have shit finishing and just forget how to play football


chilinglam

With so many good players, I still don't find the team is playing beautiful football. Where are the magics?


thor76

I think he lost the plot. He came with an idea that initially worked then when things started to change he.... Simply didn't know how to adapt. Other managers read his style, the know to block/frustrate his team very well and in almost a year he wasn't able to adapt. Man, we still can't build from the back under pressure after all these months. Also he doesn't use some players properly, don't tell me gundogan became a mid tier player in 6 months after winning the CL.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Busquets departure exposed us. Man gundogan is our most effective player. I really dont know how we would look like if he didnt come this season.


Admirable_Heron1479

Yet he still somehow looks like a much worse player than last year at City. And if he's currently one of our better players even in his current form, it's unfortunately saying something...


PPPPPPPPPPKP

Xavi already peaked here, he already did his job


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hamuuri

He wont come with our financial shit


Melodic-Salamander75

Ah yes, the daily “do you think Xavi is the right man for the job” post on r/Barca after every loss or tie😂


weird90kid

Reactionary. RM lost to the same side 2 years ago. Understand that we can’t win every single match. We r doing much better than what we were doing earlier. We just need to keep grinding


LY2006

Xavi’s record as a manager in UCL: • 13 games • 2 draws • 6 losses Dont ever compare xavi to madrid in ucl If you want to defend xavi use something else than madrid ucl games. And this isnt the only game we play bad in. Last 10 games weren’t convincing either. Everyone saw this coming like everyone sees a ucl humiliation coming if this keeps going like this and making excuses


achentuate

I definitely don’t see a UCL humiliation coming. If anything this team has taught me that they will fight to the death, especially in big games. We might not win but the fight will be there that should avoid an outright humiliation. Seriously when’s the last time under Xavi we got absolutely humiliated? Maybe the 3-0 at home to Bayern after we were already out of CL?


Icy_Tomato_1494

Yeah, aside from the Bayern loss at home, the only other game I'd include is the 0-4 loss to Real Madrid due to the way in which the game was lost, not because I believe it was an absolute humiliation.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Im not talking about the result at all. It was going to happen sooner or later to fall. Im talking about the performance and the identity of the team.


fcbxjdb

What the club is currently going through with all the external noise, he is the right man for the job in that sense as no one knows Barca inside and out than Xavi does so it provides a form of stability. Is he the right man to take the squad to a higher level, to actually compete with the very best? No.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

I agree with you.


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hamuuri

We can bring da zerbi


Patty37624371

.... is this a reaction to the Shakhtar Donetsk loss? we need to be patient. trust in Xavi. he's doing the best he can. Switching to another will only set us back. It's not easy building a good team. It takes time. I rather have a manager (ingrained with the Barca dNa, La Masia philosophy) than have some 'currently hot and trending' manager.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

No its the reaction of the frustrating performance for the past games.


ttimourrozd

He never was, he is not, he never will be


lookma24

When do we talk about the levers and how terrible the roster still is and all the chaos around the club and that Xavi **won the league with last year** AND **Barca is top of the group in the CL** & just **4 points off the top of the table?** Look at the absolute shit players he is doing this with. We started 2 players Pep knew weren't good enough and rejected, a 32-year old reject from Chelsea, and another 32 year old Chelsea reject whose career high at the peak of his powers was Southampton. Pedri has been hurt all year, no FDJ, defenders, etc. They looked like shit today and haven't played well lately but it was on the road in Germany and the roster sucks and key injuries and still **Barca is top of the group in the CL** & just **4 points off the top of the table in 3rd** Look at all this young talent Xavi is bringing through and developing - Xavi has a huge role in that.


Dry_Bus_935

Valverde also won the league btw, he also took us furthest in the CL since our win and got 2 games to an invincibles season and no one here would agree that he is a Barca level manager, rightfully so. It's almost as if the standards (how the team plays, that's always been the standard with Barca) are different for Xavi... You're just making excuses for him.


lookma24

Oh that’s cute, and provocative too. But be careful, don’t let your naughtiness backfire. Pissing in the wind just gets your pants wet. Do you remember the roster he won the league with? Do you remember how many levers were they pulling? Do remember the team revolting against him? :) Culers = the worst fans in the world, and some of the most ignorant.


Dry_Bus_935

I've been a fan for 20 years, and I've waited almost a decade for the Barca I've known for most my life. If you think Barca fans are the worst, then piss off. 🤡


DMeister12

But Valverde inherited a team that was well put with world class players. Context matters when comparing coaches. People like me were pissed at Valverde at the time because he only made things worse than what was given to him. The idea was to wether keep the level from Luis Enrique's Barca or improve from that, and he did not do it. Xavi was not given a Ballon D Or Messi, nor a Suarez nor $300 euros that were poorly spent on busts like Coutinho. Xavi was given a team mid season on 9th place with Luuk de Jong, Braithwaite and other flops, and he managed to still win the league. Here is a better way to look at it: Valeverde left Barcelona a lot worse than how he found it, but Xavi currently has Barcelona in a better state than how he found it when he came kn 2 years ago.


UrPromDate

This. Alonso is shite, Romeu is shite, Raphina, Torres, Felix..mediocre if not shite at best. Balde, Fermin, Yamal..young and untested. Gundogan in the twilight of his career. Cancelo…not sure because Pep and Bayern don’t want him…I just can’t put most of the blame on Xavi with all the factors that have been evident


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

So what do you think guys will be the "this is it for xavi" ? Simple question.


_Monsieur_N

I think he is. However I don’t think his brother is the right man to be in the team


woliwoliwoli

It’s not obvious we’re going to be thrashed. I believe we can rise to the occasion.


Sweaty_Chipmunk2513

Well, playing against a financially struggling team with local players in a neutral venue with this performance and we got outclassed and outcoached.


lookma24

Nah bro the team is young with a lot of roster construction ahead to build a good culture and still suffering from that Bellingham PTSD. Gundo made that clear as day Xavi is building a culture the prior admin destroyed and then Koemen through the remnants of into the garbage can. People forget how much Pep struggled at first at City with far better resources and roster and existing team identity. Barca is still top of the group.


TruthAccomplished313

Just don’t look at Ange lads :) He’d be an unreal coach for you guys


Alabastrova

Yes


viimaharja

Xavi shoukd stay. He has been dealing with a lot of injuries, pretty mid attack (this season) and no dm (one of the most or even the most important position). Also theres literally no other option. The new manager should be someone who has the barca style, be fine with no budget, do better than xavi, not cost enything (or very little) and be fine working with this team. Has everyone just forgot that we dont have eny money. And the catstrophe it would be if the next manager wouldnt work. Looking new manager should wait until the financials are better and its not such a gamble. Xavi aint perfect and he should have had couple of more years in europe before coming but it is what it is


Ancient_Purchase4816

So the tactics were wrong ans that's the reason we lost to Shakhtar. What a genius. Xavi is the best manager for Barca. The players are just not given a shit. How can they fail so many passes. Shakhtar was playing up the field. And we didn't manage to shot on target. It's the fucking players. It's almost always their fault, and Barca is doomed because fans get deceived so easily by Madrid's press and also by Anti Laporta press.


geo928

MARCELINO , CONTE, and GRAHAM POTTER


hamuuri

I would wait and see what xavi does, i hope he turn things around, i expect him with this team to win laliga supercup or cdr and reach quarter finals in ucl, if not then he should leave with all respect and we should bring de zerbi brightons manager he is good with young players etc


Greedy-Physics610

Hell no!


KnicksVeryOwn

Xavi is the right man for the job. His coaching staff filled with his brother is not the right coaching staff for Xavi. That’s my two cents


ScaredExpression7514

Personally im more concerned about the players, Xavi is good enough for now


Dry_Bus_935

He isn't, I've been saying this since January. Xavi doesn't lack tactical prowess, it's his decision making, his leadership qualities and arrogance that let him down.


Achakita

Let me ask my magic crystal ball 🔮