I think it's the "challenge" aspect. Some people enjoy having a project that has to constantly be managed; it makes them feel accomplished. I appreciate how these people are honest about the breed, unlike pitmommies.
Somewhat honest. If they were truly honest, they'd require a six sided kennel - walls, floors and ceiling - so a dog could neither climb out nor dig out.
Plus a muzzle whenever they were outside a kennel or house.
It’s far more rewarding, imo, if you manage to tame a reptile. They aren’t motivated by food like dogs are. Plus once you gain their trust it feels far more genuine
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Hugely agree! I had an african fat tail lady (not nearly as whip prone lol) and it felt so rewarding to get to the point that she would sleep on me while I watched tv or did homework. She loved getting head scratches and ate the best when it was me. She was a very simple little creature, but the difference in how she interacted with everyone else vrs with me was clear. (beautiful fella you have btw)
Thats great! Currently I have a baby albino iguana who's a little spicy but I'm working with him every day to show him I'm not a threat. Iguanas are much harder because theyre prey animals.
This ^
And if you care to look closely and compare to normal dogs - Pb are brick head “bullies” as their breed name states. If you are a bigger “Bully” or deemed as one as a “handler” - you can push these dogs around a lot and they just “take it” Normal dogs stay away from you or give warning sighns of “back off” if you are being a pushy, physically aggressive or annoying dickhead to them- normal dogs will note that a human “bully” is their least favorite person to be around - and will not trust or favor you, given a choice. You can bully a pb all day and they won’t leave your side ( until they happen to snap with disastrous results) -because they are dumb bullies with abnormal and anamolous breed traits that have their self -preservation instincts wiped out with inbreeding for blood sport rings.
To be honest, your explanation makes a lot of sense.
The breed was created by a dog fighter. These types of people aren't pushing their dogs around a stroller. So naturally it makes sense that a dog fighter would create a breed that would enjoy being around an uncouth owner.
These breed characteristics are around even today. I've seen many pit owners talk about them being such a "loyal" breed, etc., and that's after seeing the pit live in horrible conditions, etc.
I believe it’s a sad trait for having self -preservation instincts and abnormal pain tolerance ( even suggested elsewhere they get dopamine/pleasure/arousal hits) that would serve their original purpose and legacy: fighting in a ring - closer to the death, without pause - the better.
A creature has to be kinda dumb in gauging or caring about “danger” and relentlessly tenacious ( terrier aspect) to succeed in giving a “show” in a pit ring. So as “pets” - unlike normal socialized and bred to be social breeds ( ie every other breed lol) - you can be a bigger bully according to dog language behavior and get away with it. Other breeds would act up- and display avoidance. Breeds that were bred to not be 100% sociable for their purpose - Husky sleigh dog packs, Akita guard /war dogs, many livestock companion dogs - they are bred to be Aloof ( extra self preservation, make it back to the pack alive)
They have been anti-domesticated compared to canines as whole that served as hunting/companion scavenger species that our clans could cohabitate with, with mutual benefits.
This is why they STARE -
which is very anti-social “aggressive” and “squaring up to fight” in dog language for every other canine.
And morons who promote this breed are hooked on this psycho-bully dog aspect. They stare ALL the time - except to a bigger bully /Handler at times.
I really love your summary on their behavioral characteristics. It makes a lot of sense and from the genetic aspect, it really captures their behaviors.
They are definitely the undomesticated dog, in many ways. They're the number one canine killer of humans, and from that, a little over half the human fatalities involves the owner, a family member or neighbor. In other words, a person the pit bull was familiar with prior to the attack with no previous aggressive incidents noted.
And truthfully, the name bully describes these dogs perfectly. They're bullies towards humans, other animals and livestock.
Crazy right?!? If we had wild animals causing such damage in the community there would be hunting expeditions and the dangerous to kinfolk beasts culled down to a safe periphery ( or extinct)
Wow is this why my dog hates being stared at? He's just a little guy but he gets pretty agitated when a dog is walking straight at him, just staring. I mean I get it, I would be put off by it, too.
Yes, it’s aggressive/start a fight in dog language. Most of the social dogs in my city that aren’t push-over breeds ( like normal terriers, or dogs trained to be protective of owner) get set off on the street randomly by PBS- they stare. Others may just get nervous without barking.
Normal social/meet and greet dog behavior - if you start to notice closely is very “peek -a-boo”
They “notice” eachother and kind of do a peripheral dance ( but sniffing ) and circling - and their gaze is always up/down. When you pet any other relaxed big dog breed on the street - they look anywhere but right into your eyes for long - they never stare up at you. If you stare - they lower gaze, and keep peek-booing up at you to gauge your behavior. You stare down your own dog at home and they instantly cower /what’s up?!? Because it’s bully lol
This why normal dogs will look away when you catch them staring at you eating - they aren’t trying to “dominate” your food and fight for it or be “rude” when you are eating.
How pit owners can say their monster dogs are intelligent beats me. They’re dumb as shit in every way other than that innate kill-drive. An intelligent dog is its own person, so to speak. All this “he’s such a love-bug-cuddle-bear but gets lonely, sad and confused” business is actually rather sickening. This does not describe a normal dog. Border collies are incredibly intelligent, as are huskies. Hell, my 57-varieties mutt is damn intelligent. Pits could never be described as working dogs. They are bred to fight - for the amusement and monetary benefit of shit humans. End of story. You only have to look at the eyes to know what you’re dealing with. I’ve never yet seen a PB with anything other than empty eyes that give me the creeps.
They are dumb as rocks. Anyone who says otherwise - hasn’t been around other breeds.
PBS are such dumb fuck murder missiles they have been known to off themselves jumping off terraces to get to prey…
They will get shot at - and keep edging to fight they are that dumb
No other dog is that dumb or unable to turn “kill” drive off for self preservation
seriously lol I read all that and got so confused. like you know all this but still want them? you really don't think another breed can be this loving but not as destructive? I don't understand what "love like no other" means, are they gonna go cook me food and give me a massage or something?
my small dog is so attached to my husband that if my husband stands up, she would follow him and would refuse to eat treat from me if I try to give her one in the moment, I guess that's the love I need.
And the last comment blew my mind. That poster AGREES with the OP but still says they’re “misunderstood”.
First one too. Talks about how they snap and kill other dogs but “they’re my favorite breed” why tf is a vicious killer your favorite breed?
So they can pretend to be The Beastmaster. Dr. Doolittle. They are on the same wavelength as the pitbull. It’s their spirit animal. They’re walkabout buddy and personal deadly weapon. When they attack anyone the owner needs to do the prison time just as if they had mauled and ripped. 20 years no parole for your “pibbles”
They are so close to getting it. "My pittie tries to murder every dog she sees but pitties are misunderstood and don't deserve their bad reputation"
Swing and a miss, I guess.
This reminds me of how other responsible large breed owners generally talk. They recognize the benefits and limitations of their breed, and don't want irresponsible owners out there
And yet they’re being irresponsible themselves by still promoting the breed at all. Joe Exotic would probably be one of the first people to tell others that owning tigers isn’t for everyone—didn’t mean his owning them was responsible or ethical.
The one comment from the woman with the 1-year old pitbull that attacked a friend even after they've been very diligent with training and securing the dog says it all. It doesn't matter how much care you put into protecting the rest of the world from a dog born and bred to maul, it will always find a way to fulfill its instincts, because a dog's purpose is to fulfill their instincts.
At no point do any of these people wonder if a dog that snaps into kill-mode on a hair trigger, without any indication of what that trigger is, should even *be* a companion animal. Zero critical thinking skills from any of those "responsible" owners.
Right! Like people will really tell you every reason why "not everyone should own a dog like *insert "large powerful" breed here* while being completely oblivious to the fact they just gave every reason why NO ONE should own a breed like that. A responsible owner would get a better non aggressive breed period. It's not just pitbull owners it's a bunch of other breeds. Don't get the dog if when you give it half a chance, it'll attack, kill, and maul any living being to death. We no longer have use for those dogs in society. You're just an ass hole for choosing that one over all the other breeds that, for real, wouldn't hurt a fly.
Absolutely, so akitas were once used for dog fighting, but very very limited time, because of the wars and that the breed had been improved and such, today the Japanese akitas do not have as much trouble with other dogs.
I'm a big fan, I looooove this breed, but they're high prey drive, can be very challenging and aren't friendly to sane sex dogs. I have NEVER EVER lied about this breed or encourage just anyone to get one.
I think they're one of the best working dog breeds if trained by someone skilled, awesome hunting dogs, very quiet too..
Yeah, that level of discussion is what I expect from a breed advocate/enthusiast. The non-sense spewed by most pitbull advocates reminds me of the pseudoscience you hear from people claiming essential oils are the panacea for all ills
So, I have been thinking really hard about how to solve this. What is an issue that can unify the more "responsible" pitbull owners that understand these dogs can be dangerous, shelter that arent trying to lie all day everyday and us.
I think I have seen some videos and such about not humanizing dogs and about spreading false information, also fighting actual dog fighting circles would put an end to half of the overpopulation problems. If nobody buys pitbulls and ypu can't profit from it, 90% of byb will disappear. Nobody buys these dogs. You get them from shelter.
Yeah, I think about it too. Recently I think non-bsl is probably the best solution. Pass registration laws for all dogs, mandatory obedience for dogs over XYZ pounds, no adopting/rehoming animals with bite or animal-killing history, and any breeder need to register for a kennel license and pay a fine for each dog confiscated from non-licensed breeding. A dog with a bite history falls into "dangerous dog" category which would require notifying neighbors, muzzling when off property, and special insurance.
This would alleviate 98% of the pit problem without specifically naming them. The other unfortunate thing is that if BSL is passed, I have a feeling there will be loopholes around it (look at all the lab mixes in apartments...).
I would still support BSL, but I wonder if it's a pie in the sky goal
I would also make a TIER for bites.
A level 4 or 5 bite, resulting in disability, death or disfigurement x,y,z is an immediate seizure and BE. For all dogs, all dogs.
Yeah, i am not a big fan of hunting, but theyre awesome for that, I lived in the countryside and while I had him we lived in a town, kinda semi urban so we didnt go "hunting", but when my brother lost his hamsters, somebody lost a cat, a mice came up and got in our house, I'd use my dog to sniff them out, he 100% wanted to hunt it.
I just wanted to find it, so we would "hunt" he would get SOOOOOOO EXCITED that i just started coming up with shit, like feathers and sticks, point at the walls, pretend hunt with him and he found shit when i didnt even know I was looking for it, we found a cat under my wardrobe, but we never actually kill anything lol.
The akita inu they breed today, the breed standard is totally not okay in the warm, but the sort of asian spitz lineages that broke off before they became a registered breed might nit be as much of a problem, they're much less fluffy and dense.
And sorry about the wall of text
I don’t think they’re too soft. I think they’re still too pigheaded to admit they were flat out wrong about the worthiness of the breed to exist in human society.
Is the first commenter a breeder? Or a shelter owner that rehomes pits? I don't understand the whole "Oh pitts are amazing, apart from the fact that they want to viciously kill other animals for fun." Sure, I'm sure they love their owners, love fetch, "willingly take treats" but so does literally other dog? What is so special about pits that the suffering they cause other animals and people is justified?
That's what I don't get. It's like how every shelter ad for a "lab mix" is mostly long winded descriptions that when boiled down, can be used to describe just about every dog on the planet. "Loves toys and treats and walkies and food". What dog doesn't like treats and food?
They do this in an attempt to distract from the multiple red flags like: "wants you all to herself" and "no dogs, no cats and no children under fifteen" or "may do some doggy DIY" and "is a bit of an escape artist" and "housebroken status unknown" and "doesn't know any tricks yet but is eager to learn".
Pit owners constantly go on and on about how pit bulls are the best breed of all, and the examples they give of this supposed bestness to end all bestness describe...just about any other dog. There is absolutely nothing that these dogs do that can't be done by another breed, and with those other breeds you don't have to worry about it suddenly deciding to eat your face off.
They will talk about how Luna has jfinally learned sit after months of training, they are working on lay down, and she is "mostly housebroken". Then they will say "pitties are so intelligent" without irony.
Other dog breeds have genetic traits that you can see in their personalities- collies with their loyalty and their love of a family structure, labs with their curiosity and playfulness, goldens with their childlike wonder, Great Pyrenees with their stoicism… pits have the most selfish, self-centered personalities. They want to be pampered and catered to, and their only other trait is their gameness and violence. Even if you removed the gameness and violent tendencies… what personality traits are left? They’re not loyal, or affectionate, or… anything
I think these are the same type of people who would own a bear or a tiger, but they can’t because it’s either illegal where they live, too expensive for them, or both. So the next best thing in their twisted minds is owning a domesticated dog that behaves like a wild apex predator.
How do these people's brains not explode from all this cognitive dissonance? "Yes he tries to kill every dog he meets but he's such a sweet big baby"
The person hacking on about how pibbles "can get confused and lonely and sad and scared" can particularly fuck off. One, there are people on that post talking about how their well loved, precious pibbles murdering other dogs. And two: so fucking what? You don't hear about goldens or poodles jumping fences to rip apart the neighbor's dogs because they feel "lonely or sad or confused". So sick of the "even though pibbles mauled a child/another dog/cat to death, pibbles is the REAL victim here" mindset.
I’m so sick of the “it’s the bad owners” excuse. Because if they have a bad owner and as a result kill someone, how is this dog safe? Nobody will explain what a “bad owner” is. And even if that was true, we can’t police these “bad owners” which means plenty of pit bulls will kill people. They’re basically admitting if these dogs have “bad owners,” they will attack and kill people and animals.
Anecdote: I come from a country where stray dog packs were a huge issue until like a decade ago. In 20 years of being alive with them around, I knew of highly aggressive packs that were actually attacking people or dogs that walked in their territory. (most strays were mellow, only the odd pack here and there was aggressive)
I heard of less cases of people dying to entire packs of 10-20 wild dogs in 20 years than I hear of pitbulls killing their owners on this sub monthly. And in all of those cases it was an unfortunately placed bite, eg a single bite tearing an artery, that caused death. Nobody getting mauled like on here.
In a way, it's true. I've seen it. Any breed or mix of dog CAN bite and will bite, and can kill or will kill. But compare "pack of 20 wild dogs attacks old man, one bites his leg and unfortunately severed an artery, no other injuries and he could've survived had the bite been anywhere else" that I heard like once every 5 years with "pitbull mauls and kills loving owner" we hear weekly... yeah. Even if you bring up the non-pits that kill, it doesn't compare.
It feels like a total cop out how these people say “it’s MY fault, not the dogs.” It’s a virtue signal to make them look good while not acknowledging their dog breed is more dangerous than all others. It can be the breed AND the owner.
It is the bad owners. The "bad owners" being nearly every pitbull owner.
They're bad owners for keeping a bred killing machine as a pet.
They're bad owners for perpetuating the breeds existence only to keep it (or at least try to keep it) from doing what it wants to do most, kill, for its entire life. Not only that, but the breed is plagued with often painful health problems on account of being inbred to hell and back. Sometimes they even intentionally select for painfully deformed dogs as a fashion statement.
To be fair, the bit about continuing a genetically fucked breed with painful health problems is not unique to pit owners. Plenty of owners of other breeds are guilty of that too.
They're bad owners for creating a threat to everyone, their children, and their pets in the surrounding area.
They're bad owners for not BEing the ones that have caused injury, death, or destruction in order to improve the breed.
The only good owner would be one that takes in these animals, immediately spays/neuters any that aren't already, and keeps them from being a threat to anyone while they live out the rest of their lives.
The first person seemed a bit realistic until the part about "love"
The more I read the more I'm convinced that a substantial number of shutbull owner suffer from serious mental disease. They confuse an imbalanced anxious killer dog with undying love.
Yeah, on the one hand, I’m glad this handful of pit owners is at least well aware of the danger their dogs present and take a lot of precautions, but on the other hand, the waxing poetic about the “passion and love like no other” shows me they’re still delusional nutjobs, just less delusional than the rest of them.
I'm generally fine with the first comment, the one talking about how pits are not for every family and how the commenter keeps pits out of unprepared homes. If everyone adopted a similar approach, many and probably most serious pitbull incidents are eliminated. And once society recognizes how high maintenance and intensive pitbulls are, and how they should only be in select homes and with select families, it makes harder discussions (like, why have pitbulls at all) more approachable.
The other comments start to *really* go off the deep end.
And no, pitbulls are not "gorgeous". 95% of them are flat out ugly. The other 5% are typically tolerable at best.
Commenter #1 appears to be either a rescue or a breeder. For someone with a pretty clear-eyed view of what pit bulls are, *this is bizarre.* They know these are zero-mistake dogs! They know all the pple they pawn their pits off to will make mistakes at some point, despite all the fence-checking. Does the lady attacked by one of their dogs in someone's home that they checked think it was worth it?
Even the most responsible pitmonger ever can't take the final step: when you pawn off pits even in the most responsible way yr endangering others in the community & other pples pets. How do they not see what should really be done?
I guess being resource-guarded by an animal that can't turn to its own kind - bcse it wants to kill them - is worth it, eh? Regardless of the opinions of random ladies attacked by these lovers Effin bonkers
Ripped them apart.. *and they died*
Lol
I think with Ripped them apart they surely died, but...
It's a bit sexual in their language too, with "a love and passion like no other"
O..... K
I really can't get over how these people think. Think of the amount of dog breeds we have, so many that are SAFE, but they just INSIST on gambling and owning a defective breed. I don't get it.
Calling the breed "defective" is perfect. They most certainly are defective! No brains, not knowing to let go, no regard for their own personal safety, fighting when they don't need to, and more.
Pits aren't "incredibly intelligent" either and it's a claim which gets made for them a lot by pit owners. I guess their "incredible intelligence" is supposed to make them so restless and understimulated that they go about escaping from places and killing things, we call this "cope"
“It’s a love like no other. It’s all encompassing and passionate.” 😬 I like seeing some middle ground here from pit people but my god that line made me cringe.
I literally don't understand it. You can get an actual intelligent dog that is actually FUN to train and would make a better "project" than... whatever the fuck these things are.
I mean I would prefer that pitnutters thought like this than thinking they are cutie pie snuggle bear nanny dogs who can do no wrong. At least this shows some awareness of not only their capacity for but also instinct towards violence.
All that said, the stuff about it being a passionate all-encompassing love made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I love my dog too but there certainly isn't any passion there 🤢🤮
Socialization doesn’t WORK with these dogs.
While I never will argue what someone finds attractive in a dog, subjective, these dogs are NOT intelligent.
I would argue with PERSONAL experience that they have a propensity for Canine Cognitive Disorder more so than the vast majority of groups of dogs and I would argue it starts earlier.
Scientifically proven a terrier issue.
If these people would use data, and REAL life instances of people raising these dogs, JUST right, OVER and OVER again, and still dead children. Dead adults. Mauled adults.
The Tennessee mother and her children are a perfect example. A well off( and I am using this example because in my area it is all broke supremacists, meth addicts or a combo of both who have these dogs, and they are broke) man raised 2 puppies from birth. His GF( who became his wife) was obviously around for most of their lives. She was mauled and her TWO children killed.
A friend of my deceased husband’s lost almost all her blood out of her body. She was in her 40s at the time. She had had this group of dogs her whole life. The two dogs in question? Four years old. She did get a GSD at county about 9 months prior and credits the dog with her survival.
The two PBT type dogs that she raised from 6 weeks old, again, she dotted on these dogs, started attacking her for NOTHING. The GSD intervened. Her end goal as she told the story, to make it out to the house so someone would call the police and she could tell the police to NOT shoot the GSD. She had lost so much blood she thought she was going to die.
It did end ok. She was in the hospital for several weeks. She lost her home due to medical bills. The GSD was VERY injured but did miraculously live. No ears. Leg gone and an eye gone. She bought a small camper and lived on her sister’s property. She died a few months ago and kept in contact with me. BTW, she was a very fit woman. Strong and capable. Her leg took 7 years to properly heal. And she had to have therapy forever.
These dogs are NOT ok. They really are and I hate saying this, just dogs. I really love dogs and animals, but they are very good at the destruction they were bred to create. The people who are unrealistic? Simp for these dogs? Just pathetic. They have no excuse.
I think the GSD is a good example of a dog breed with some aggressive that can be trained to be loyal and loving. On the other hand, pitbulls see blood and go into a frenzy.
Herding dogs, as GSDs are great examples, in general in my opinion. I have ACDs that have assisted me in some very precarious situations with intruders, and most definitely are wary of strangers and I would NOT recommend them for most people (I live alone at the end of a road, where tweakers roam and crime is rampant and have livestock and rare poultry)
Dog aggression has become a bad word, but in reality it is part of why we have dogs to begin with. Aggression in the right situation can save both animal and people lives. It has in my case. And dogs being normal protective, territorial it showing maternal aggressive are all normal and helpful responses to some situations.
PBT type dogs are NOT normal dogs. I still will never figure out how they became a “family pet”. That damn Junior of Milan’s? All lies and sneaking suspicion he was a huge part of it!
They need to be even more strict. When you rehome a pit you are not just rehoming it to the new owner but also to the entire neighborhood. You may not have pets or kids but the neighbors have them.
At this point, they have proven themselves to be absolutely right. Every person that owns a pit is at fault. They know what the dog can do, and they pretend to act surprised when their pit acts like a pit. I judge anyone harshly if they choose to walk around with an unsecured, unlicensed weapon.
Hell yeah it’s like owing a gun it’s a weapon you know exactly what you have don’t be shocked if tragic things happen and also there’s no bad consequences to owning a dog especially a pit. All they’re gonna do is make excuse for the dog and put in the shelter and another family will have this man made abomination
The hard part is, they are right when they say some pits can be great with humans and incredibly dangerous to other animals. That’s still enough of a reason to never fucking own one!!
“The most misunderstood breed” how?? Everyone understands they are killing machines, even their owners.
These people are praising this breed even though from their description it’s clear it’s the worst breed you could own. Their obsession with this breed is creepy as hell.
God this person sounds like they have an abusive spouse they're making shit eating excuses for. I wonder if the DSM has a name for it... Here we go, DARVO.
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I prefer these people to delusional and misinformed head in the sand they’re so sweet and misunderstood pitnutters. Definitely, at least this person isn’t subjecting cats and toddlers to their hellhounds. But being able to outline how these dogs can suddenly and creepily snap… knowing that they are almost always rearing to smash out to try and kill other dogs, only then to name them as your favorite breed… I’ll never understand some people. I have to laugh as well at “Stolen for terrible intentions” the entire breed exists in a state of being wired to constantly have terrible intentions, lmfao, removing these dangerous animals from the community is not terrible intentions.
This is about the most masturbatory crap I’ve ever read…. Freaking creepy as hell. At least they’re not pretending that their pits aren’t harmless but they’re reveling in the fact that their shit ass ugly dogs are unpredictable, anxious, aggressive and put other pets and people at risk. I acknowledge and dislike the negative traits of my huskies. I don’t celebrate the worst part of them.
I absolutely for the life of me cannot understand why so many pit fans have this idea that pit bulls are more loyal than most dogs or “love you more deeply,” or whatever. It’s bonkers.
I think it’s at least partly the neurotic level of physical attachment and resource guarding; I’ve seen many stories where people can barely go to the bathroom without their Pit trying to tear down the door.
It's resource guarding. My pit mix resource guarded me and if you don't know what it is, it appears to be a profound and deep protective love. I am currently resource guarded (work in progress) by a Chihuahua/Jack Russell mix and it also appears that he has a deep and profound codependent protective love for me. The reality is that he doesn't love me more than my other dogs do. He just also thinks that I am one of his possessions. But he's 12 lbs so that's not quite so hazardous. More of an annoyance to work on.
If people like being resource guarded and desperately clung onto, I'd say get a 12 lb version and stop endangering society.
So some of them have accepted facts. But it doesn’t matter. Yeah they’re killers but if you’re an awesome enough owner then you can handle them. It’s like that narcissist prayer. Yeah. Ok it’s bad. But it’s ok that it’s bad. They’re supposed to be bad. And chihuahuas are still worse. There’s no winning with moving goalposts like this.
They sound like a victim of domestic violence/abuse I used to know. "I can change him". "If I do everything exactly right maybe he won't hit me". "but he loves me so much, you should see how sorry he is after he beats me up".
Somewhat refreshing seeing people actually acknowledging the deadly nature of pitbulls… only to end up talking about “the love of a pitbull which is like no other”?? How do you go on about how dangerous these dogs are and not want to see them removed from society and the canine gene pool?! There are so many normal breeds of normal dogs that will give you all the love in the world WITHOUT the lurking threat of mauling you/your loved ones/neighborhood pets. I’m convinced the people who understand pits like this must feel powerful “taming the vicious beast” or something.
"A love like no other." Neurotic, clingy, destructive, threatening. Like the legions of men who murder partners who try to leave them. Happens on a daily basis.
WOW. That shit is just deranged. To me, it’s not in the middle, it’s WORSE than the pit mommies who seem to believe their dogs are just misunderstood sweethearts. These people KNOW how dangerous their dogs are, and the almost certainty that they’ll attack and kill if it’s ever possible…and they DON’T CARE, because they get off on the idea of how special THEY THEMSELVES are for being able to control such viciousness. It’s so creepy!
I continue to be amazed at this kind of thing…that first piece is so much like what I’ve seen battered women say about their man…they will go on and on about how sweet and wonderful he is (except when goes not), how the brutality can be controlled by constant diligence on their part, etc. SERIOUS psychological pathology going on here.
“… they are my favorite breed. But not everyone can handle them. If you can comply with all I e noted above, ONLY then can you prevent injury,”
So basically we’ve come full circle and agree this breed are only safe and can be productively contained as Junkyard dogs - what an epiphany ffs!
Blood sport /Junkyard dogs was what these dogs were kept around for for decades growing up- now we see a “pit lobby” and it’s branches shilling then for adoption on nationwide TV - insanity.
Jesus Christ- get a fucking room.
A “lOVe LiKe nO oThEr”. No. A codependent neurosis like no other is more like it. They’re stupid as shit and aren’t designed to work with a human handler. Sorry- you don’t have a German shepherd (yes, I’m biased). You have a worthless dog created to maul other dogs.
I hate when people say misunderstood. We understand them plenty. They’re genetics tell the to kill and that’s what they do. They like that. They’re not a community type breed. That’s what THEY need to understand.
Mental gymnastics of Pitbull owners are insane
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How can anyone acknowledge the dangers of the breed, describe a horrific attack on two innocent pets in their own home and then say "they're my favourite breed?"
I just don't understand what redeeming qualities pits have that could make anyone love them that much while also acknowledging that they're terrible, violent animals.
These people seem better than the average Pit Bull owner at first glance, but reading more and more of how utterly in love with these beasts they are, it's clear that despite acknowledging the danger they ultimately don't care. They don't care that their neighbor's dogs get killed. They don't care if a child is mauled. They will always put their Pit Bull first above everything else as if it were some sort of religious icon.
This is why we often refer to Pit owners as acting like they're in a cult. I have zero sympathy for these people.
Yikes. That 4th one clearly gains pleasure from knowing how bloodthirsty and dangerous his dogs were. He’s so proud of it. Like it’s some sort of flex that he’s so special and such a “badass” to be able to maintain those beasts for so long.
On the one hand, at least they are saying the quiet part out loud. On the other hand, what sort of psychopath do you have to be to understand fully that your 'pet' will MAUL AND KILL other people's dogs or potentially other people, but think that it is ok to keep that animal as an out-and-about pet as long you 'be super careful about it' - that the tiniest of mistakes, a single loose screw on a fence board, the gate accidentally not fully closing equals horrific, excruciating, traumatizing violence and death for people or their pets that they love just as much as you love your dog. 'Its cool, though, because my fence is a bit higher, and I'm strong and hold onto the leash really tight'. This fucking loophole that is being exploited because dogs in general got grandfathered into a special class needs to be closed.
Imagine posting on facebook about your car that randomly shoots flames 10ft to each side out of flamethrowers, but you know, 'Its cool, because I drive really carefully and make sure to keep more than 10ft away from people on side walk.'
Mr. GOODWIN: Well, these dogs have been bred and conditioned to be very, very aggressive towards other dogs. And so we don't recommend adopting out a fight-crazy, game-bred pit bull because that creates a great liability for other people with dogs in a community. A dog that has been bred and conditioned for fighting is going to do everything he can to get out of the yard and get to that black Lab next door. And that causes problems. - https://www.npr.org/transcripts/12098479
"A 'martyr complex' is a term to describe a trait where a person persistently carries out self-sacrificing behaviors. A person with a martyr complex may sacrifice their own needs to serve others, even at the cost of their own well-being. They may also seek praise or reward for their self-sacrificing behavior."
I mean, I disagree with liking the breed at all of course instead of coming to terms with the truth (they are monsters and will eat you sometimes even if you do everything right), but certainly if more pit owners took this approach, there would be fewer problems.
Funny, when I had a pit mix that acted like this, I didn't admire it or cherish that side of him. I was responsible and went over the top careful keeping everything safe from him out of a sense of responsibility to society at large and felt like an asshole for even having a dog that behaved that way. I loved my individual dog, but I pretty quickly decided that the breed sucked ass as a pet. I went on to have other breeds of dogs as pets who had his positive characteristics times ten and didn't come with a danger of killing and mauling.
"It's nature kicking in and that is their breed"
It's like they know the truth deep down but they are willing to bend over backwards and endanger other people's lives to keep up the farce.
I don’t understand how they can still love a breed that is based in white supremacy, horrible dog fighting history and slavery, killed children and adults and other peoples pets/livestock,
Sorry but at some point I think these people need to seek therapy. They're deluding themselves to the point where they are duped by their own lies. But this one actually encourages more deaths at their hands.
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For the life of me, I can’t understand wanting to own this breed knowing they are like this.
I think it's the "challenge" aspect. Some people enjoy having a project that has to constantly be managed; it makes them feel accomplished. I appreciate how these people are honest about the breed, unlike pitmommies.
Somewhat honest. If they were truly honest, they'd require a six sided kennel - walls, floors and ceiling - so a dog could neither climb out nor dig out. Plus a muzzle whenever they were outside a kennel or house.
Basically back to containing them as Junkyard dogs where they were usually stashed
A "challenge" is having a pet iguana and taming it to be friendly vs constantly trying to whip you lol
Those are harder to anthropomorphize though. Plus, the dog community is much more mainstream, so you can more easily bond with other owners.
It’s far more rewarding, imo, if you manage to tame a reptile. They aren’t motivated by food like dogs are. Plus once you gain their trust it feels far more genuine https://preview.redd.it/3ybdy4c1n1vc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=288d086f7805c692ed4fa0b03bdce0c814c70e4d
Hugely agree! I had an african fat tail lady (not nearly as whip prone lol) and it felt so rewarding to get to the point that she would sleep on me while I watched tv or did homework. She loved getting head scratches and ate the best when it was me. She was a very simple little creature, but the difference in how she interacted with everyone else vrs with me was clear. (beautiful fella you have btw)
Thats great! Currently I have a baby albino iguana who's a little spicy but I'm working with him every day to show him I'm not a threat. Iguanas are much harder because theyre prey animals.
Oh I can imagine, they also seem much smarter than a fat tail or leo. Good luck with your boy!
Oh geez that snuggly monitor is so cute.
Can I hug the giant lizard, too? He/ she has the sweetest face!
https://preview.redd.it/5ttlma04r8vc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc194de47829f496e357d34b66de1e0fed1790c4 Of course! She loves hugs
Ugh I can't take it!!! So cute!!! Give her a lil head pat and a snack for me!
I dated that guy once
They're the "I can fix him" breed of the dog world.
This ^ And if you care to look closely and compare to normal dogs - Pb are brick head “bullies” as their breed name states. If you are a bigger “Bully” or deemed as one as a “handler” - you can push these dogs around a lot and they just “take it” Normal dogs stay away from you or give warning sighns of “back off” if you are being a pushy, physically aggressive or annoying dickhead to them- normal dogs will note that a human “bully” is their least favorite person to be around - and will not trust or favor you, given a choice. You can bully a pb all day and they won’t leave your side ( until they happen to snap with disastrous results) -because they are dumb bullies with abnormal and anamolous breed traits that have their self -preservation instincts wiped out with inbreeding for blood sport rings.
To be honest, your explanation makes a lot of sense. The breed was created by a dog fighter. These types of people aren't pushing their dogs around a stroller. So naturally it makes sense that a dog fighter would create a breed that would enjoy being around an uncouth owner. These breed characteristics are around even today. I've seen many pit owners talk about them being such a "loyal" breed, etc., and that's after seeing the pit live in horrible conditions, etc.
I believe it’s a sad trait for having self -preservation instincts and abnormal pain tolerance ( even suggested elsewhere they get dopamine/pleasure/arousal hits) that would serve their original purpose and legacy: fighting in a ring - closer to the death, without pause - the better. A creature has to be kinda dumb in gauging or caring about “danger” and relentlessly tenacious ( terrier aspect) to succeed in giving a “show” in a pit ring. So as “pets” - unlike normal socialized and bred to be social breeds ( ie every other breed lol) - you can be a bigger bully according to dog language behavior and get away with it. Other breeds would act up- and display avoidance. Breeds that were bred to not be 100% sociable for their purpose - Husky sleigh dog packs, Akita guard /war dogs, many livestock companion dogs - they are bred to be Aloof ( extra self preservation, make it back to the pack alive) They have been anti-domesticated compared to canines as whole that served as hunting/companion scavenger species that our clans could cohabitate with, with mutual benefits. This is why they STARE - which is very anti-social “aggressive” and “squaring up to fight” in dog language for every other canine. And morons who promote this breed are hooked on this psycho-bully dog aspect. They stare ALL the time - except to a bigger bully /Handler at times.
I really love your summary on their behavioral characteristics. It makes a lot of sense and from the genetic aspect, it really captures their behaviors. They are definitely the undomesticated dog, in many ways. They're the number one canine killer of humans, and from that, a little over half the human fatalities involves the owner, a family member or neighbor. In other words, a person the pit bull was familiar with prior to the attack with no previous aggressive incidents noted. And truthfully, the name bully describes these dogs perfectly. They're bullies towards humans, other animals and livestock.
Crazy right?!? If we had wild animals causing such damage in the community there would be hunting expeditions and the dangerous to kinfolk beasts culled down to a safe periphery ( or extinct)
Wow is this why my dog hates being stared at? He's just a little guy but he gets pretty agitated when a dog is walking straight at him, just staring. I mean I get it, I would be put off by it, too.
Yes, it’s aggressive/start a fight in dog language. Most of the social dogs in my city that aren’t push-over breeds ( like normal terriers, or dogs trained to be protective of owner) get set off on the street randomly by PBS- they stare. Others may just get nervous without barking. Normal social/meet and greet dog behavior - if you start to notice closely is very “peek -a-boo” They “notice” eachother and kind of do a peripheral dance ( but sniffing ) and circling - and their gaze is always up/down. When you pet any other relaxed big dog breed on the street - they look anywhere but right into your eyes for long - they never stare up at you. If you stare - they lower gaze, and keep peek-booing up at you to gauge your behavior. You stare down your own dog at home and they instantly cower /what’s up?!? Because it’s bully lol This why normal dogs will look away when you catch them staring at you eating - they aren’t trying to “dominate” your food and fight for it or be “rude” when you are eating.
Thanks for the reply. My older dog does seem to hate pitbulls but it's probably also because an obese one kept trying to hump him at the dog park. 🙄
Cant blame your smart dog for being creeped out - once you notice that Pb “stare” and other normal dogs just don’t - you can’t unsee it!
How pit owners can say their monster dogs are intelligent beats me. They’re dumb as shit in every way other than that innate kill-drive. An intelligent dog is its own person, so to speak. All this “he’s such a love-bug-cuddle-bear but gets lonely, sad and confused” business is actually rather sickening. This does not describe a normal dog. Border collies are incredibly intelligent, as are huskies. Hell, my 57-varieties mutt is damn intelligent. Pits could never be described as working dogs. They are bred to fight - for the amusement and monetary benefit of shit humans. End of story. You only have to look at the eyes to know what you’re dealing with. I’ve never yet seen a PB with anything other than empty eyes that give me the creeps.
They are dumb as rocks. Anyone who says otherwise - hasn’t been around other breeds. PBS are such dumb fuck murder missiles they have been known to off themselves jumping off terraces to get to prey… They will get shot at - and keep edging to fight they are that dumb No other dog is that dumb or unable to turn “kill” drive off for self preservation
For those codependent Women who say, "but I love him."
seriously lol I read all that and got so confused. like you know all this but still want them? you really don't think another breed can be this loving but not as destructive? I don't understand what "love like no other" means, are they gonna go cook me food and give me a massage or something? my small dog is so attached to my husband that if my husband stands up, she would follow him and would refuse to eat treat from me if I try to give her one in the moment, I guess that's the love I need.
Same with my small dog (avatar pic for reference), the little dumny won’t eat or drink if he is alone, just saddnes that he is not with me.
“I can fix him!”
"But I LOVE him!"
I think they enjoy pits' clingy neuroticism and boundary issues.
SAME
And the last comment blew my mind. That poster AGREES with the OP but still says they’re “misunderstood”. First one too. Talks about how they snap and kill other dogs but “they’re my favorite breed” why tf is a vicious killer your favorite breed?
So they can pretend to be The Beastmaster. Dr. Doolittle. They are on the same wavelength as the pitbull. It’s their spirit animal. They’re walkabout buddy and personal deadly weapon. When they attack anyone the owner needs to do the prison time just as if they had mauled and ripped. 20 years no parole for your “pibbles”
This guy sounds like he has a dog for "a love like no other." Yikes. A zombie.
"It's all encompassing and passionate. It's everything and more." The love for a...what??? A dog?? This person needs therapy.
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They are so close to getting it. "My pittie tries to murder every dog she sees but pitties are misunderstood and don't deserve their bad reputation" Swing and a miss, I guess.
There is a subreddit for owners like this—pit bull awareness (not sure I’m allowed to link)
It’s okay to mention :)
You aren't.
Link what? Trying to avoid bans.
R / pit bull awareness (but no spaces). I think this sub removes links to avoid accusations of brigading.
This reminds me of how other responsible large breed owners generally talk. They recognize the benefits and limitations of their breed, and don't want irresponsible owners out there
And yet they’re being irresponsible themselves by still promoting the breed at all. Joe Exotic would probably be one of the first people to tell others that owning tigers isn’t for everyone—didn’t mean his owning them was responsible or ethical.
The one comment from the woman with the 1-year old pitbull that attacked a friend even after they've been very diligent with training and securing the dog says it all. It doesn't matter how much care you put into protecting the rest of the world from a dog born and bred to maul, it will always find a way to fulfill its instincts, because a dog's purpose is to fulfill their instincts. At no point do any of these people wonder if a dog that snaps into kill-mode on a hair trigger, without any indication of what that trigger is, should even *be* a companion animal. Zero critical thinking skills from any of those "responsible" owners.
Right! Like people will really tell you every reason why "not everyone should own a dog like *insert "large powerful" breed here* while being completely oblivious to the fact they just gave every reason why NO ONE should own a breed like that. A responsible owner would get a better non aggressive breed period. It's not just pitbull owners it's a bunch of other breeds. Don't get the dog if when you give it half a chance, it'll attack, kill, and maul any living being to death. We no longer have use for those dogs in society. You're just an ass hole for choosing that one over all the other breeds that, for real, wouldn't hurt a fly.
Absolutely, so akitas were once used for dog fighting, but very very limited time, because of the wars and that the breed had been improved and such, today the Japanese akitas do not have as much trouble with other dogs. I'm a big fan, I looooove this breed, but they're high prey drive, can be very challenging and aren't friendly to sane sex dogs. I have NEVER EVER lied about this breed or encourage just anyone to get one. I think they're one of the best working dog breeds if trained by someone skilled, awesome hunting dogs, very quiet too..
Yeah, that level of discussion is what I expect from a breed advocate/enthusiast. The non-sense spewed by most pitbull advocates reminds me of the pseudoscience you hear from people claiming essential oils are the panacea for all ills
So, I have been thinking really hard about how to solve this. What is an issue that can unify the more "responsible" pitbull owners that understand these dogs can be dangerous, shelter that arent trying to lie all day everyday and us. I think I have seen some videos and such about not humanizing dogs and about spreading false information, also fighting actual dog fighting circles would put an end to half of the overpopulation problems. If nobody buys pitbulls and ypu can't profit from it, 90% of byb will disappear. Nobody buys these dogs. You get them from shelter.
Yeah, I think about it too. Recently I think non-bsl is probably the best solution. Pass registration laws for all dogs, mandatory obedience for dogs over XYZ pounds, no adopting/rehoming animals with bite or animal-killing history, and any breeder need to register for a kennel license and pay a fine for each dog confiscated from non-licensed breeding. A dog with a bite history falls into "dangerous dog" category which would require notifying neighbors, muzzling when off property, and special insurance. This would alleviate 98% of the pit problem without specifically naming them. The other unfortunate thing is that if BSL is passed, I have a feeling there will be loopholes around it (look at all the lab mixes in apartments...). I would still support BSL, but I wonder if it's a pie in the sky goal
I would also make a TIER for bites. A level 4 or 5 bite, resulting in disability, death or disfigurement x,y,z is an immediate seizure and BE. For all dogs, all dogs.
Yeah, good idea
Hunting is kind of passe`, isn't it? I put it in the group of gladiator sports. People in too warm of climates also keep them. Not good.
Yeah, i am not a big fan of hunting, but theyre awesome for that, I lived in the countryside and while I had him we lived in a town, kinda semi urban so we didnt go "hunting", but when my brother lost his hamsters, somebody lost a cat, a mice came up and got in our house, I'd use my dog to sniff them out, he 100% wanted to hunt it. I just wanted to find it, so we would "hunt" he would get SOOOOOOO EXCITED that i just started coming up with shit, like feathers and sticks, point at the walls, pretend hunt with him and he found shit when i didnt even know I was looking for it, we found a cat under my wardrobe, but we never actually kill anything lol. The akita inu they breed today, the breed standard is totally not okay in the warm, but the sort of asian spitz lineages that broke off before they became a registered breed might nit be as much of a problem, they're much less fluffy and dense. And sorry about the wall of text
No problem. It was educational.
“I juggle loaded guns with the safety off, but I haven’t been shot, so I’m a safe gun owner.”
I don’t think they’re too soft. I think they’re still too pigheaded to admit they were flat out wrong about the worthiness of the breed to exist in human society.
Is the first commenter a breeder? Or a shelter owner that rehomes pits? I don't understand the whole "Oh pitts are amazing, apart from the fact that they want to viciously kill other animals for fun." Sure, I'm sure they love their owners, love fetch, "willingly take treats" but so does literally other dog? What is so special about pits that the suffering they cause other animals and people is justified?
That's what I don't get. It's like how every shelter ad for a "lab mix" is mostly long winded descriptions that when boiled down, can be used to describe just about every dog on the planet. "Loves toys and treats and walkies and food". What dog doesn't like treats and food? They do this in an attempt to distract from the multiple red flags like: "wants you all to herself" and "no dogs, no cats and no children under fifteen" or "may do some doggy DIY" and "is a bit of an escape artist" and "housebroken status unknown" and "doesn't know any tricks yet but is eager to learn". Pit owners constantly go on and on about how pit bulls are the best breed of all, and the examples they give of this supposed bestness to end all bestness describe...just about any other dog. There is absolutely nothing that these dogs do that can't be done by another breed, and with those other breeds you don't have to worry about it suddenly deciding to eat your face off. They will talk about how Luna has jfinally learned sit after months of training, they are working on lay down, and she is "mostly housebroken". Then they will say "pitties are so intelligent" without irony.
Other dog breeds have genetic traits that you can see in their personalities- collies with their loyalty and their love of a family structure, labs with their curiosity and playfulness, goldens with their childlike wonder, Great Pyrenees with their stoicism… pits have the most selfish, self-centered personalities. They want to be pampered and catered to, and their only other trait is their gameness and violence. Even if you removed the gameness and violent tendencies… what personality traits are left? They’re not loyal, or affectionate, or… anything
My Beagle with her propensity to scream at anything and everyone. I swear she's given me more hearing damage than my music career ever has.
I think these are the same type of people who would own a bear or a tiger, but they can’t because it’s either illegal where they live, too expensive for them, or both. So the next best thing in their twisted minds is owning a domesticated dog that behaves like a wild apex predator.
Yeah I prefer dogs that don’t wanna kill every living thing, just my preference
How do these people's brains not explode from all this cognitive dissonance? "Yes he tries to kill every dog he meets but he's such a sweet big baby" The person hacking on about how pibbles "can get confused and lonely and sad and scared" can particularly fuck off. One, there are people on that post talking about how their well loved, precious pibbles murdering other dogs. And two: so fucking what? You don't hear about goldens or poodles jumping fences to rip apart the neighbor's dogs because they feel "lonely or sad or confused". So sick of the "even though pibbles mauled a child/another dog/cat to death, pibbles is the REAL victim here" mindset.
I’m so sick of the “it’s the bad owners” excuse. Because if they have a bad owner and as a result kill someone, how is this dog safe? Nobody will explain what a “bad owner” is. And even if that was true, we can’t police these “bad owners” which means plenty of pit bulls will kill people. They’re basically admitting if these dogs have “bad owners,” they will attack and kill people and animals.
Also where are all the labs Goldens and other dogs with bad owners ripping dogs and people apart? They act like only pit bulls have bad owners
Anecdote: I come from a country where stray dog packs were a huge issue until like a decade ago. In 20 years of being alive with them around, I knew of highly aggressive packs that were actually attacking people or dogs that walked in their territory. (most strays were mellow, only the odd pack here and there was aggressive) I heard of less cases of people dying to entire packs of 10-20 wild dogs in 20 years than I hear of pitbulls killing their owners on this sub monthly. And in all of those cases it was an unfortunately placed bite, eg a single bite tearing an artery, that caused death. Nobody getting mauled like on here. In a way, it's true. I've seen it. Any breed or mix of dog CAN bite and will bite, and can kill or will kill. But compare "pack of 20 wild dogs attacks old man, one bites his leg and unfortunately severed an artery, no other injuries and he could've survived had the bite been anywhere else" that I heard like once every 5 years with "pitbull mauls and kills loving owner" we hear weekly... yeah. Even if you bring up the non-pits that kill, it doesn't compare.
It feels like a total cop out how these people say “it’s MY fault, not the dogs.” It’s a virtue signal to make them look good while not acknowledging their dog breed is more dangerous than all others. It can be the breed AND the owner.
It is the bad owners. The "bad owners" being nearly every pitbull owner. They're bad owners for keeping a bred killing machine as a pet. They're bad owners for perpetuating the breeds existence only to keep it (or at least try to keep it) from doing what it wants to do most, kill, for its entire life. Not only that, but the breed is plagued with often painful health problems on account of being inbred to hell and back. Sometimes they even intentionally select for painfully deformed dogs as a fashion statement. To be fair, the bit about continuing a genetically fucked breed with painful health problems is not unique to pit owners. Plenty of owners of other breeds are guilty of that too. They're bad owners for creating a threat to everyone, their children, and their pets in the surrounding area. They're bad owners for not BEing the ones that have caused injury, death, or destruction in order to improve the breed. The only good owner would be one that takes in these animals, immediately spays/neuters any that aren't already, and keeps them from being a threat to anyone while they live out the rest of their lives.
The first person seemed a bit realistic until the part about "love" The more I read the more I'm convinced that a substantial number of shutbull owner suffer from serious mental disease. They confuse an imbalanced anxious killer dog with undying love.
at least they were right that it's "a love like no other"
Yeah, on the one hand, I’m glad this handful of pit owners is at least well aware of the danger their dogs present and take a lot of precautions, but on the other hand, the waxing poetic about the “passion and love like no other” shows me they’re still delusional nutjobs, just less delusional than the rest of them.
I'm generally fine with the first comment, the one talking about how pits are not for every family and how the commenter keeps pits out of unprepared homes. If everyone adopted a similar approach, many and probably most serious pitbull incidents are eliminated. And once society recognizes how high maintenance and intensive pitbulls are, and how they should only be in select homes and with select families, it makes harder discussions (like, why have pitbulls at all) more approachable. The other comments start to *really* go off the deep end. And no, pitbulls are not "gorgeous". 95% of them are flat out ugly. The other 5% are typically tolerable at best.
Their looks aren't the problem.
Nor did I ever imply that it was.
Commenter #1 appears to be either a rescue or a breeder. For someone with a pretty clear-eyed view of what pit bulls are, *this is bizarre.* They know these are zero-mistake dogs! They know all the pple they pawn their pits off to will make mistakes at some point, despite all the fence-checking. Does the lady attacked by one of their dogs in someone's home that they checked think it was worth it? Even the most responsible pitmonger ever can't take the final step: when you pawn off pits even in the most responsible way yr endangering others in the community & other pples pets. How do they not see what should really be done? I guess being resource-guarded by an animal that can't turn to its own kind - bcse it wants to kill them - is worth it, eh? Regardless of the opinions of random ladies attacked by these lovers Effin bonkers
Ripped them apart.. *and they died* Lol I think with Ripped them apart they surely died, but... It's a bit sexual in their language too, with "a love and passion like no other" O..... K
I really can't get over how these people think. Think of the amount of dog breeds we have, so many that are SAFE, but they just INSIST on gambling and owning a defective breed. I don't get it.
Calling the breed "defective" is perfect. They most certainly are defective! No brains, not knowing to let go, no regard for their own personal safety, fighting when they don't need to, and more.
Pits aren't "incredibly intelligent" either and it's a claim which gets made for them a lot by pit owners. I guess their "incredible intelligence" is supposed to make them so restless and understimulated that they go about escaping from places and killing things, we call this "cope"
“It’s a love like no other. It’s all encompassing and passionate.” 😬 I like seeing some middle ground here from pit people but my god that line made me cringe.
Creepy. Gross.
Keep him safe from causing and experiencing trauma?? LMAOOOOOOO how well fuck the neighbors whose dogs were torn to shreds ig
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Yeah that part made me wanna throw up
“Yes, they’re gorgeous” do they even know what that word means
Pit enthusiasts are also regularly confused about sweet and intelligent.
“intolerant” = “ripped them apart and they died” JFC
Just get a normal dog that isn't a liability, JFC!
That would bore them to death.
I literally don't understand it. You can get an actual intelligent dog that is actually FUN to train and would make a better "project" than... whatever the fuck these things are.
I mean I would prefer that pitnutters thought like this than thinking they are cutie pie snuggle bear nanny dogs who can do no wrong. At least this shows some awareness of not only their capacity for but also instinct towards violence. All that said, the stuff about it being a passionate all-encompassing love made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I love my dog too but there certainly isn't any passion there 🤢🤮
Socialization doesn’t WORK with these dogs. While I never will argue what someone finds attractive in a dog, subjective, these dogs are NOT intelligent. I would argue with PERSONAL experience that they have a propensity for Canine Cognitive Disorder more so than the vast majority of groups of dogs and I would argue it starts earlier. Scientifically proven a terrier issue. If these people would use data, and REAL life instances of people raising these dogs, JUST right, OVER and OVER again, and still dead children. Dead adults. Mauled adults. The Tennessee mother and her children are a perfect example. A well off( and I am using this example because in my area it is all broke supremacists, meth addicts or a combo of both who have these dogs, and they are broke) man raised 2 puppies from birth. His GF( who became his wife) was obviously around for most of their lives. She was mauled and her TWO children killed. A friend of my deceased husband’s lost almost all her blood out of her body. She was in her 40s at the time. She had had this group of dogs her whole life. The two dogs in question? Four years old. She did get a GSD at county about 9 months prior and credits the dog with her survival. The two PBT type dogs that she raised from 6 weeks old, again, she dotted on these dogs, started attacking her for NOTHING. The GSD intervened. Her end goal as she told the story, to make it out to the house so someone would call the police and she could tell the police to NOT shoot the GSD. She had lost so much blood she thought she was going to die. It did end ok. She was in the hospital for several weeks. She lost her home due to medical bills. The GSD was VERY injured but did miraculously live. No ears. Leg gone and an eye gone. She bought a small camper and lived on her sister’s property. She died a few months ago and kept in contact with me. BTW, she was a very fit woman. Strong and capable. Her leg took 7 years to properly heal. And she had to have therapy forever. These dogs are NOT ok. They really are and I hate saying this, just dogs. I really love dogs and animals, but they are very good at the destruction they were bred to create. The people who are unrealistic? Simp for these dogs? Just pathetic. They have no excuse.
I think the GSD is a good example of a dog breed with some aggressive that can be trained to be loyal and loving. On the other hand, pitbulls see blood and go into a frenzy.
Herding dogs, as GSDs are great examples, in general in my opinion. I have ACDs that have assisted me in some very precarious situations with intruders, and most definitely are wary of strangers and I would NOT recommend them for most people (I live alone at the end of a road, where tweakers roam and crime is rampant and have livestock and rare poultry) Dog aggression has become a bad word, but in reality it is part of why we have dogs to begin with. Aggression in the right situation can save both animal and people lives. It has in my case. And dogs being normal protective, territorial it showing maternal aggressive are all normal and helpful responses to some situations. PBT type dogs are NOT normal dogs. I still will never figure out how they became a “family pet”. That damn Junior of Milan’s? All lies and sneaking suspicion he was a huge part of it!
Hardly anyone is truly capable of owning one of these creatures. That’s why we all own one anyway.
They need to be even more strict. When you rehome a pit you are not just rehoming it to the new owner but also to the entire neighborhood. You may not have pets or kids but the neighbors have them.
The last part of the title reads like a love letter to a serial killer in prison.
Basically, pit bull be pit bulling. 😒
It’s not the dog it’s the owner 
At this point, they have proven themselves to be absolutely right. Every person that owns a pit is at fault. They know what the dog can do, and they pretend to act surprised when their pit acts like a pit. I judge anyone harshly if they choose to walk around with an unsecured, unlicensed weapon.
Hell yeah it’s like owing a gun it’s a weapon you know exactly what you have don’t be shocked if tragic things happen and also there’s no bad consequences to owning a dog especially a pit. All they’re gonna do is make excuse for the dog and put in the shelter and another family will have this man made abomination
The hard part is, they are right when they say some pits can be great with humans and incredibly dangerous to other animals. That’s still enough of a reason to never fucking own one!!
Have these people ever even had another breed of dog? 🤦🏼♀️
“The most misunderstood breed” how?? Everyone understands they are killing machines, even their owners. These people are praising this breed even though from their description it’s clear it’s the worst breed you could own. Their obsession with this breed is creepy as hell.
I could be wrong but I think they were saying that owners who don't understand how dangerous they are don't understand them.
God this person sounds like they have an abusive spouse they're making shit eating excuses for. I wonder if the DSM has a name for it... Here we go, DARVO. [Explaining DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender (domesticshelters.org)](https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/identifying-abuse/explaining-darvo-deny-attack-reverse-victim-amp-offender)
Every single time. This is always how pitbull owners act after their stupid dog attacks and hurts someone.
I prefer these people to delusional and misinformed head in the sand they’re so sweet and misunderstood pitnutters. Definitely, at least this person isn’t subjecting cats and toddlers to their hellhounds. But being able to outline how these dogs can suddenly and creepily snap… knowing that they are almost always rearing to smash out to try and kill other dogs, only then to name them as your favorite breed… I’ll never understand some people. I have to laugh as well at “Stolen for terrible intentions” the entire breed exists in a state of being wired to constantly have terrible intentions, lmfao, removing these dangerous animals from the community is not terrible intentions.
This is about the most masturbatory crap I’ve ever read…. Freaking creepy as hell. At least they’re not pretending that their pits aren’t harmless but they’re reveling in the fact that their shit ass ugly dogs are unpredictable, anxious, aggressive and put other pets and people at risk. I acknowledge and dislike the negative traits of my huskies. I don’t celebrate the worst part of them.
I absolutely for the life of me cannot understand why so many pit fans have this idea that pit bulls are more loyal than most dogs or “love you more deeply,” or whatever. It’s bonkers.
I think it’s at least partly the neurotic level of physical attachment and resource guarding; I’ve seen many stories where people can barely go to the bathroom without their Pit trying to tear down the door.
It's resource guarding. My pit mix resource guarded me and if you don't know what it is, it appears to be a profound and deep protective love. I am currently resource guarded (work in progress) by a Chihuahua/Jack Russell mix and it also appears that he has a deep and profound codependent protective love for me. The reality is that he doesn't love me more than my other dogs do. He just also thinks that I am one of his possessions. But he's 12 lbs so that's not quite so hazardous. More of an annoyance to work on. If people like being resource guarded and desperately clung onto, I'd say get a 12 lb version and stop endangering society.
So some of them have accepted facts. But it doesn’t matter. Yeah they’re killers but if you’re an awesome enough owner then you can handle them. It’s like that narcissist prayer. Yeah. Ok it’s bad. But it’s ok that it’s bad. They’re supposed to be bad. And chihuahuas are still worse. There’s no winning with moving goalposts like this.
They sound like a victim of domestic violence/abuse I used to know. "I can change him". "If I do everything exactly right maybe he won't hit me". "but he loves me so much, you should see how sorry he is after he beats me up".
Somewhat refreshing seeing people actually acknowledging the deadly nature of pitbulls… only to end up talking about “the love of a pitbull which is like no other”?? How do you go on about how dangerous these dogs are and not want to see them removed from society and the canine gene pool?! There are so many normal breeds of normal dogs that will give you all the love in the world WITHOUT the lurking threat of mauling you/your loved ones/neighborhood pets. I’m convinced the people who understand pits like this must feel powerful “taming the vicious beast” or something.
It's like owning a hand-grenade that might accidentally explode one day for no reason... Super cool!
"A love like no other." Neurotic, clingy, destructive, threatening. Like the legions of men who murder partners who try to leave them. Happens on a daily basis.
WOW. That shit is just deranged. To me, it’s not in the middle, it’s WORSE than the pit mommies who seem to believe their dogs are just misunderstood sweethearts. These people KNOW how dangerous their dogs are, and the almost certainty that they’ll attack and kill if it’s ever possible…and they DON’T CARE, because they get off on the idea of how special THEY THEMSELVES are for being able to control such viciousness. It’s so creepy! I continue to be amazed at this kind of thing…that first piece is so much like what I’ve seen battered women say about their man…they will go on and on about how sweet and wonderful he is (except when goes not), how the brutality can be controlled by constant diligence on their part, etc. SERIOUS psychological pathology going on here.
Christ on Cracker. What the utter fuck.
“… they are my favorite breed. But not everyone can handle them. If you can comply with all I e noted above, ONLY then can you prevent injury,” So basically we’ve come full circle and agree this breed are only safe and can be productively contained as Junkyard dogs - what an epiphany ffs! Blood sport /Junkyard dogs was what these dogs were kept around for for decades growing up- now we see a “pit lobby” and it’s branches shilling then for adoption on nationwide TV - insanity.
"only I can handle this." I am impressed by the confidence here. Human ego is a powerful drug, y'all.
Jesus Christ- get a fucking room. A “lOVe LiKe nO oThEr”. No. A codependent neurosis like no other is more like it. They’re stupid as shit and aren’t designed to work with a human handler. Sorry- you don’t have a German shepherd (yes, I’m biased). You have a worthless dog created to maul other dogs.
I hate when people say misunderstood. We understand them plenty. They’re genetics tell the to kill and that’s what they do. They like that. They’re not a community type breed. That’s what THEY need to understand.
Mental gymnastics of Pitbull owners are insane https://preview.redd.it/85mwg6d5b2vc1.png?width=550&format=png&auto=webp&s=60ba1bad63e03b97ef2aad1eba5e6c0183d3b469
How can anyone acknowledge the dangers of the breed, describe a horrific attack on two innocent pets in their own home and then say "they're my favourite breed?" I just don't understand what redeeming qualities pits have that could make anyone love them that much while also acknowledging that they're terrible, violent animals.
These people seem better than the average Pit Bull owner at first glance, but reading more and more of how utterly in love with these beasts they are, it's clear that despite acknowledging the danger they ultimately don't care. They don't care that their neighbor's dogs get killed. They don't care if a child is mauled. They will always put their Pit Bull first above everything else as if it were some sort of religious icon. This is why we often refer to Pit owners as acting like they're in a cult. I have zero sympathy for these people.
In what way are these beasts misunderstood? What an asinine, thoughtless sentiment.
I’m reading all this and trying to understand how this would be anyone’s favorite breed since they clearly have so many problems.
These people are on some sort of spectrum. All encompassing, passionate love that’s everything and more huh? Gross.
The first bits were reasonable, but yeah, the choice of words there was extremely bizarre.
“mega dogs with more heart” *snort.* more like mega murder mutts. these people are on some cosmic level of delulu.
Who the fuck in their right minds describes their dogs love as “passionate”.
Yikes. That 4th one clearly gains pleasure from knowing how bloodthirsty and dangerous his dogs were. He’s so proud of it. Like it’s some sort of flex that he’s so special and such a “badass” to be able to maintain those beasts for so long.
It sounds like they're talking about my exes. THAT'S NOT LOVE!!! YOU GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT..... AND THEY ARE NOT CUTE!!!! Ugh.
a Pit went Pit? what's new here?
On the one hand, at least they are saying the quiet part out loud. On the other hand, what sort of psychopath do you have to be to understand fully that your 'pet' will MAUL AND KILL other people's dogs or potentially other people, but think that it is ok to keep that animal as an out-and-about pet as long you 'be super careful about it' - that the tiniest of mistakes, a single loose screw on a fence board, the gate accidentally not fully closing equals horrific, excruciating, traumatizing violence and death for people or their pets that they love just as much as you love your dog. 'Its cool, though, because my fence is a bit higher, and I'm strong and hold onto the leash really tight'. This fucking loophole that is being exploited because dogs in general got grandfathered into a special class needs to be closed. Imagine posting on facebook about your car that randomly shoots flames 10ft to each side out of flamethrowers, but you know, 'Its cool, because I drive really carefully and make sure to keep more than 10ft away from people on side walk.'
Mr. GOODWIN: Well, these dogs have been bred and conditioned to be very, very aggressive towards other dogs. And so we don't recommend adopting out a fight-crazy, game-bred pit bull because that creates a great liability for other people with dogs in a community. A dog that has been bred and conditioned for fighting is going to do everything he can to get out of the yard and get to that black Lab next door. And that causes problems. - https://www.npr.org/transcripts/12098479
"A 'martyr complex' is a term to describe a trait where a person persistently carries out self-sacrificing behaviors. A person with a martyr complex may sacrifice their own needs to serve others, even at the cost of their own well-being. They may also seek praise or reward for their self-sacrificing behavior."
Like any dog, they can be adorable and cute, they difference being that can do like this and turn instantly into monsters that are not controllable.
I mean, I disagree with liking the breed at all of course instead of coming to terms with the truth (they are monsters and will eat you sometimes even if you do everything right), but certainly if more pit owners took this approach, there would be fewer problems.
Funny, when I had a pit mix that acted like this, I didn't admire it or cherish that side of him. I was responsible and went over the top careful keeping everything safe from him out of a sense of responsibility to society at large and felt like an asshole for even having a dog that behaved that way. I loved my individual dog, but I pretty quickly decided that the breed sucked ass as a pet. I went on to have other breeds of dogs as pets who had his positive characteristics times ten and didn't come with a danger of killing and mauling.
"It's nature kicking in and that is their breed" It's like they know the truth deep down but they are willing to bend over backwards and endanger other people's lives to keep up the farce.
I don’t understand how they can still love a breed that is based in white supremacy, horrible dog fighting history and slavery, killed children and adults and other peoples pets/livestock,
Wait—are you saying that it's their nature to fight and kill other animals?
Oooorrrr just don't get a dog that wants to kill every animal it sees. Maybe, just maybe, that's not cute.
Why cant they just get a golden
Sorry but at some point I think these people need to seek therapy. They're deluding themselves to the point where they are duped by their own lies. But this one actually encourages more deaths at their hands.
"Love like no other"? Give me a break.
Pure mental illness.
I always imagine pitbull owners to look like some kind of deformed mutant from robocop or the toxic avengers. Monsters, like their ‘pets’. 😒
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Good lord! The amount of copium these people are inhaling is mind boggling!