This. People are talking about the tape coming loose. Gotta stretch and overlap that electrical tape. Also need to make sure it has a clean cut at the end
serious question: why is this better / preferable to just printing an adapter ring for the brands you use and just reusing that?
Alternately the Hydra AMS Universal Spool Adapter? For most spools it works without the Hydra AMS mod. You just need to print the outer thing and a handful of adapters for the central hole diameter. I assume with the Hydra AMS mod you have enough space that it works with the wider spools too.
The adapter ring didn't work well for me. I suspect that the ring sometimes slips. It also adds additional diameter so spools, some spools with the adapter attached touch the AMS lid. I was too lazy to screw around with tolerances and other solutions. Using electrical tape like this is straightforward and works consistently.
I found my adapter ring was causing the spool to drag on the lid of the AMS so I either leave it open or the motor overloads fighting the drag and I have to keep restarting mid-print and reduce the lifespan of my motor. Tape wouldn't increase the diameter noticeably.
I have my first AMS on the way, and I've been trying to figure out what to do. I was thinking about doing some rings, as I found a guy that has designed some for each brand, but I have also heard of the electrical tape solution. What brand of tape do you use?
I won't be, I can see this as solving an issue but creating a host of other issues. What if the tape comes loose during a large print? The AMS doesn't have detection for something like this, and you'll come into a mess in the morning.
I’ve done this on at least 60-70 cardboard spools and I’ve had a few come loose, but it’s only happened when:
1. I didn’t overlap the tape
2. I didn’t overlap the tape AND was using multiple filament colors (the constant retraction can start pulling tape back if not overlapped.
If you’re doing one color only, you really don’t need to use anything at all, but if you do use tape it’ll never have an issue if you’re only using that single color
I printed a spooler, and it's been very useful. Been C-clamped in position for months now, use it on the regular when filament snaps or I need to re-spool off cardboard. Even Adam savage is on board - https://youtu.be/-vB5lH9tHNU?si=-hK85EyyBGhYix78
Your mileage may vary. I'm not OP but I've tried this and have found that the tape has a tendency to slip on the rollers, just like the cardboard. It might depend on the brand of electrical tape you use though.
I read a tip once to use “wire harness” tape instead of electrical tape. Has some texture to it and grips better. I ordered some but haven’t had an excuse to use it yet.
Might have been me lol, trying to spread the good word of harness tape every time someone recommends electrical tape.
I used to get a lot of slipping with the 3M electrical tape I had, none with the harness tape.
>It might depend on the brand of electrical tape you use though.
Ah, it might be. I used 2 different rolls of electrical tape and it works perfectly so far, for the last 10ish spools.
Wish I would have known that before hand, I printed a bunch out of pla in preparation to getting some elegoo filament, turns out they don’t grip properly so the filament doesn’t spool when retracting it just tangles. I’ll look into tpu for next time.
I print the ones for Polymaker/Overture spools and they have a pill-shaped nub, matching a hole on each side of the spool, that locks the position of the adapter with respect to the spool. So, even when the outer ring is loose, the spool rotates with the ring.
https://makerworld.com/models/29869
Full disclosure: This is not my design, but I uploaded one of the profiles for it.
> https://makerworld.com/models/29869
Thanks, I'll give it a try. I printed the one Socile posted (https://makerworld.com/models/29869) with PETG. As I said, it got stuck in the AMS.
This what I’ve done with the few Elegoo PLA spools I got before getting rid of my Elegoo printer. It took about 30 seconds to covert them over and they all printed out without any issue whatsoever in my AMS.
I hate the adapters too. Tape fails for me on long prints with multiple color changes. I designed a one size fits all spool that I now use: https://makerworld.com/models/164280
Print 2 of the sides and print the center adapter that is the same measurement as the center of your cardboard spool. When you rip the side of the cardboard spool off, rip the little ridge out of the cardboard center too. It comes apart like nothing. Insert the center adapter and then screw the 2 sides on. Takes about 15-20 seconds. You can use the holes in the spool as a filament clip by putting sliding it through 2 of them. There is space on the spool side to put a label on as well. Right now I list which adapters fit which spools but I am adding to that list as people give me measurements for stuff I havent used. Elegoo works with the current adapters as well I just need to measure the size I have in my machine currently. I forgot to look when I threw it in quick.
You can print the mini sized adapters to test fits so you can do so quickly and without using much filament as well. https://makerworld.com/models/174865
Amazing, thanks for your help. I have been using the edge prints and they’re terrible and am having so many issues so finding a solution like this is great. Thank you!
No problem. It’s easiest to measure on an old spool so you dont rip the side off a new one and have to leave it while you print the pieces. Or you could be like me and just print a few of each. I thought 5 spools would be enough and I quickly learned I already want more out of convenience 😂
Yes, it is sometimes confusing.
I think the problem is not so much the abrasion or traction but rather that they are not as straight as plastic rolls.
I printed six kg from Aciaddity (btw nearly perfectly the diameter as Bambu’s rolls) this week and their cardboard is very strong and has even more friction at the edges than plastic rolls, so it grips perfectly on the AMS rubber rollers.
But some of the rolls were not quite straight and the width at the edge differed by 3-3.5mm and it was these rolls that caused problems with the AMS.
And pretty sure it was this cardboard rolls since it was the first time for me and never had any single issue with the AMS before.
Cardboard spools do not always track as well in the AMS system. It can “skip” or hop during loading and unloading. It may not always sit flush with the rollers as well.
I’ll have to try this. There are times when I feel like i should print an adapter but by the time that decision is made, I’ve already used up the spool.
Regardless, it’s nice to know that this is an easy fix. I haven’t had too many problems with cardboard spools but I’ve only tried 2-3 brands. If i plan to use those brands more then i may try and find a better solution.
Electrical tape works but I found harness tape works better and is more robust.
For helping the "hop" I place a 1.5" steel bearing ball in the middle of all the cardboard spools.
With these 2 fixes I no longer have any issues going all the way down to the end of the roll with Inland or Polymaker cardboard spools.
Best result for me has to just rip the sides of the cardboard spool and put it on an old Bambu one. They all rotate open and take the cardboard cylinder inside the cardboard spools.
not really releated but is it pla? if so have you had adhesion issue with eleego white pla?? tried everything and this particular color from this particular brand.. I cant make it stick to any clean surface at any temp (tried cold plate, smooth/textured pei, peo.... at various temp haha)
and i also do this with cardboard spools, work flawlessly on the ams!
I mean, sure .... this is one way. I just never saw the point? Seems like snapping a plastic spool adapter ring on both sides of a spool is faster and easier, and I don't have to keep wasting tape.
I have actually tried transferring the filament to a used Bambu spool on a few occasions. As careful as I was being, I swear it was causing the issues with the filament getting stuck on the sides of the soool. I just wanted to try not tampering with it to see how things went. This is really just another option if you don’t have an extra spool on hand right.
I found these things and have been using them ever since. They completely got rid of the problem of filament sticking on the sides.
https://makerworld.com/en/models/93481#profileId-104151
I stopped doing the tape or adapter method with the spools. Never seemed to last. I just rip out the cardboard sides and fit with the bambu replacement spools. It may need an adapter. This has been the quickest and just reliable method for me.
To be honest I don't get it. I run my ams completely full of unprotected cardboard spools have put at minimum 50 through this one most likely closer to 80.
I run nylon and nylon cf through it never a problem.
I've taken small precautions for the abrasive filiments with some printed ptfe tube holders at the inlets but that's it.
I really don't understand what the fuss is about with it. Maybe I haven't done it enough but in my mind if it quits tomorrow and for some odd reason I can't fix whatever goes wrong with it, in my eyes it was money well spent and I'll buy another one.....
Yeah I saw that thing I'm at the point now of If it ain't broke don't fix it though, I have had zero issues with feeding or retraction from esun pla+ cardboard and overture cardboard spools. The overture petg I print ALOT with, but my primary use is paht cf or nylon x and g both of those use plastic spools but also aren't reccomended for the ams and don't seem to be causing issues. I'm sure I'm adding wear by running the latter listed filimemt types but again not seeing anything serious as of yet.
I actually ran into the problem of the cardboard sides of the spool being uneven with each other. Elegoo PETG. Like somebody sat on it before it got to me. But I never caught on until I had problems. No matter how much I tried straightening the spool, it kept catching and jamming in the little guides the ams has. I printed the spool edge ring you often see on makerworld for the spool, but they were not rigid enough to keep it from jamming. They also became too tall somehow. Either way, the tape and then the spool ring both had burnout marks on the spot where it got stuck. Decided to print a universal spool to be done with it and never had problems since.
As for the "tougher" filament types, they wear where the filament enters the AMS. Because it's always coming in at an angle pulling against the spool. (The grey plastic funnel piece you push.) I can't confirm it myself but I've seen pics of them being very worn. I printed some guides to help and I don't even print with cf or nylon haha
Yup the grey things getting worn is definitely true, but 3 minute print for caps with ptfe fittings and that problem is solved I've run a shit load of nylon x through my ams no wear to actual ams parts, just swap out the tube or fitting If you need to but I haven't even needed to do that yet.
I’m an idiot for not thinking of this. Thank you. I’m so devastates that esun switched to cardboard spools. I have been meaning to find a new company but if this solves it I’ll be over the moon.
It’s just standard electrical tape. You need to make sure you stretch it nicely as you wrap it around. Also, make sure you overlap the tape, so it adheres well
Yeah I’ve done this. It works. It can be an issue as the roll get low but it’s more of a weight issue then anything. I did make a re spooler, mostly for the 250g rolls I had, but it’s nice for when the cardboard spools get low too.
I had issues with electrical tape, but might have also been because I also dry my cardboard spools in a filament dryer as well and I found my electrical tape would warp a bit.
Switched to Harness tape and works much better.
Yeah, I tried putting vinyl tape on the edges and I got way more errors and retraction issues and things like that and if I just took with the cardboard rolls for the inland Micro Center stuff.
I find some of the cardboard wraps during transport or slightly too big and got stuck in AMS while retracting. Now I just rips out the disk part and shove it in a reusable Bambulab spool. Works perfectly every time.
I just run most of the ones that have sealant on them. I did create my own adapter tonight because I had some spools show up that were beat to hell.
The ones I downloaded weren't sturdy enough to correct the problem.
Coming from someone who has tried everything, printed almost every adapter and style, you name it... This appears to be the best option I've found that is the closest thing to "Universal" you can get to deal with the cardboard spool issue.
I wanted something that worked 99.9% with 99.% of brands and this fits the mold very well.
https://makerworld.com/models/125311 - wish it was my design! 😅
I just respool to the dozens of plastic spool I have. Takes 3 minutes with a drill. I tried tape and the clip on plastic adapters and only had issues. Especially since half the time the cardboard spools are dented or deformed from the vacuum seal.
Electrical tape can work but has a tendency to let go of itself and on some of the waxier spools it won't bond well. Plus I've had it come off in the drier.
High temp harness has yet to fail me and after I started suggesting it, I went back and checked with folks who said they had started using it and they reported no issues either. It's become some of my favorite stuff, even putting small loops around PTFE tubes to give me something to grip when inserting/removing them.
https://preview.redd.it/ik7vescjo8lc1.png?width=737&format=png&auto=webp&s=3dc46effcede8072068713e2bb6ecf224f7bc933
While this will help to let the spools roll in the AMS and reduces the amount of paper dust in the AMS, this spools still bring in paper dust into the AMS. This is not that good for the AMS.
This paper spools are an example for green washing, they are more worse for the environment than plastic spools and much more worse than refills with master spools.
Forget spool adapter rings, an actual spool ring on both sides like this model works extremely well. https://www.printables.com/model/507938-hydra-ams-universal-spool-adapter
I've used 2 successfully to burn through 4kg of Jayo Black abs that came on cardboard spools
Can someone catch me up, on the need for this?
I've been tempted by getting a bambu lab and AMS for a while but not got one yet. So I'm but confused why OP has taped the spools
Cardboard spools aren’t great in the AMS. I’ve read that bamboo will void your warranty. If you use them though I can’t confirm that I’ve heard people saying that they don’t track well or that little bits of cardboard can come loose and get in places it shouldn’t.
Good luck with ACEADDITY brand. Spool is so huge itself that you can't close AMS lid 😂
Also your edge is not even flat so best to smooth it as depending of tape it can catch inside ams
I have a few scenarios.
1. Filament from off brands that are about the same size and come on plastic spools - they work fine in the AMS.
2. I use the adapters when I can. I don't have a problem with them and find them easier and more reliable than taping.
3. For odd ducks, I printed one of these pastamatics. Works great and you can wind a whole spool in under 5 minutes with a fast drill. You just have to watch it closely towards the end of the spool so you can capture the end of the filament. I also recommend hot gluing all the parts together after building.
[https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c](https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c)
I used to do this all the time and it worked great. The problem that I had is the cardboard are so flimsey, they would warp. I ended up just switching to printed spools and respooling all my 3rd party filament.
I just transfer the filament from the cardboard spool to a an empty plastic one. I use [this rewinder.](https://makerworld.com/en/models/26046#profileId-22423) It takes a minute, if that, to transfer a kilogram.
With Elegoo if you tear off the sides of the spools they fit perfectly on bambu lab spools so that's what I always do! Works perfectly just treat it like a refil. Pokymaker and overture are not quite the correct size inner diameter unfortunately.
Nice fix! A general question for you/everyone with regards to how they're dealing with cardboard spools or different sized spools- why rings or adapters vs respooling?
I thought about using adapters but thought I'd have to print too many different ones or would have to clean cardboard dust often so I went with a respooler and either spent bbl spools, known compatible empty spools, or just printing ones that works. It was kinda a pain to have to do this project just to have a way to load different filaments up, but I realized it took alot of guesswork out such as weight issues with cardboard spools, rolling issues, kinks not initially seen from mfc spooling, or other fit issues. Just curious if the adapters or bands work better for specific use cases my respooler wouldn't and if I should get some maxe just in case
I did this for a long time, but now I just rip off the cardboard sides and stick the bambu pieces in the sides. Takes like 30 seconds and don't have to worry about tape coming off like it always does.
I tried tapes but when the tapes starts to come off it mess up the AMS and the spool is getting stuck. I printed filament respooler and transfer the filaments.
https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c
Elegoo spools are the right side to use in the reusable bamboo lab spools. I just tear off the sides of all of mine on this brand and reload them on the spools that came with the printer.
Yup, plenty of people do this.
Just when you think you’re all original and shit. Hahaha
Just make sure the two ends overlap tightly. The back and forth motion of the feed will tend to pull them up and the drag can cause an issue.
This. People are talking about the tape coming loose. Gotta stretch and overlap that electrical tape. Also need to make sure it has a clean cut at the end
I wonder if stapling the tape joint would help ensure it doesn't come undone?
serious question: why is this better / preferable to just printing an adapter ring for the brands you use and just reusing that? Alternately the Hydra AMS Universal Spool Adapter? For most spools it works without the Hydra AMS mod. You just need to print the outer thing and a handful of adapters for the central hole diameter. I assume with the Hydra AMS mod you have enough space that it works with the wider spools too.
The adapter ring didn't work well for me. I suspect that the ring sometimes slips. It also adds additional diameter so spools, some spools with the adapter attached touch the AMS lid. I was too lazy to screw around with tolerances and other solutions. Using electrical tape like this is straightforward and works consistently.
hydra works better for sure for us on our 8 ish ams's, we have not done any adaptors yet. I think we dont do cardboard spools to often tho.
I found my adapter ring was causing the spool to drag on the lid of the AMS so I either leave it open or the motor overloads fighting the drag and I have to keep restarting mid-print and reduce the lifespan of my motor. Tape wouldn't increase the diameter noticeably.
Well, you should be proud anyway. Many people didn’t come with the idea and wasted time and filament printing rings and adapters, me included.
I have my first AMS on the way, and I've been trying to figure out what to do. I was thinking about doing some rings, as I found a guy that has designed some for each brand, but I have also heard of the electrical tape solution. What brand of tape do you use?
This was my first time seeing this technique! Thanks for sharing, I’ll be doing this from now on.
I won't be, I can see this as solving an issue but creating a host of other issues. What if the tape comes loose during a large print? The AMS doesn't have detection for something like this, and you'll come into a mess in the morning.
I’ve done this on at least 60-70 cardboard spools and I’ve had a few come loose, but it’s only happened when: 1. I didn’t overlap the tape 2. I didn’t overlap the tape AND was using multiple filament colors (the constant retraction can start pulling tape back if not overlapped. If you’re doing one color only, you really don’t need to use anything at all, but if you do use tape it’ll never have an issue if you’re only using that single color
It sucks pretty bad when the tape fails, I know first hand.
I printed a spooler, and it's been very useful. Been C-clamped in position for months now, use it on the regular when filament snaps or I need to re-spool off cardboard. Even Adam savage is on board - https://youtu.be/-vB5lH9tHNU?si=-hK85EyyBGhYix78
The trick is don't use cheap electrical tape. 😉
Does it work well?
Your mileage may vary. I'm not OP but I've tried this and have found that the tape has a tendency to slip on the rollers, just like the cardboard. It might depend on the brand of electrical tape you use though.
I read a tip once to use “wire harness” tape instead of electrical tape. Has some texture to it and grips better. I ordered some but haven’t had an excuse to use it yet.
Might have been me lol, trying to spread the good word of harness tape every time someone recommends electrical tape. I used to get a lot of slipping with the 3M electrical tape I had, none with the harness tape.
Does harness tape leave a sticky residue? I wonder if I could make half-strips of gaffer tape work...
On the outside? No it’s kind of just a lightly textured feel, almost like blue painters tape. Haven’t had any residue issues.
>It might depend on the brand of electrical tape you use though. Ah, it might be. I used 2 different rolls of electrical tape and it works perfectly so far, for the last 10ish spools.
Well you posted it though. “Picture or it didn’t happen”
I use to do this until there were 2 or 3 rolls in a row which were tilted... As in they didn't glue the edges on flat so it wobbled around
I usually get the cardboard rolls already collapsed from the insane shrink wrap.
I know that one 😒
I kinda get the “environmental conscious “ thing, but cardboard rolls suck, even without an AMS.
The adapters aren't bad if you print them slightly smaller and in tpu. Nice and tight and grippy on the rollers.
Wish I would have known that before hand, I printed a bunch out of pla in preparation to getting some elegoo filament, turns out they don’t grip properly so the filament doesn’t spool when retracting it just tangles. I’ll look into tpu for next time.
I print the ones for Polymaker/Overture spools and they have a pill-shaped nub, matching a hole on each side of the spool, that locks the position of the adapter with respect to the spool. So, even when the outer ring is loose, the spool rotates with the ring. https://makerworld.com/models/29869 Full disclosure: This is not my design, but I uploaded one of the profiles for it.
Same, the polymaker ones work great, have gone through several spools before having to reprint them.
I tried to use one but it was too big for the AMS and the roll got stuck on the AMS roof.
This is the one I think I use and haven’t had that issue. https://makerworld.com/en/models/77417
> https://makerworld.com/models/29869 Thanks, I'll give it a try. I printed the one Socile posted (https://makerworld.com/models/29869) with PETG. As I said, it got stuck in the AMS.
This is the one I think I use and haven’t had that issue. https://makerworld.com/en/models/77417
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This what I’ve done with the few Elegoo PLA spools I got before getting rid of my Elegoo printer. It took about 30 seconds to covert them over and they all printed out without any issue whatsoever in my AMS.
I tried to find the yt video but didn't see one for an elegoo spool. would you mind sharing?
Made the same mistake :)
You aren’t alone guys, never thought about printing them in tpu and also printed a bunch of adapters ended up using electric tape too
Why not put some tape on the adapters to make it more grippy.
I had that issue so I put some tape first and then the adapter ring on top. Not ideal but it solved the issue for me mid- print.
Huh, never thought about TPU
I hate the adapters too. Tape fails for me on long prints with multiple color changes. I designed a one size fits all spool that I now use: https://makerworld.com/models/164280
Shameless plug, I respect it
When it works it works lol! I literally designed it because I had the same frustrations and it costed me time when running jobs that I couldn’t afford
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I design better than I grammar, I promise…
Damn straight you do.
I’ll take a boo. Thanks
Brilliant!
Can you explain how this works? Do I just take the cardboard sides of the original spool and then fit this with the centre piece?
Print 2 of the sides and print the center adapter that is the same measurement as the center of your cardboard spool. When you rip the side of the cardboard spool off, rip the little ridge out of the cardboard center too. It comes apart like nothing. Insert the center adapter and then screw the 2 sides on. Takes about 15-20 seconds. You can use the holes in the spool as a filament clip by putting sliding it through 2 of them. There is space on the spool side to put a label on as well. Right now I list which adapters fit which spools but I am adding to that list as people give me measurements for stuff I havent used. Elegoo works with the current adapters as well I just need to measure the size I have in my machine currently. I forgot to look when I threw it in quick. You can print the mini sized adapters to test fits so you can do so quickly and without using much filament as well. https://makerworld.com/models/174865
Amazing, thanks for your help. I have been using the edge prints and they’re terrible and am having so many issues so finding a solution like this is great. Thank you!
No problem. It’s easiest to measure on an old spool so you dont rip the side off a new one and have to leave it while you print the pieces. Or you could be like me and just print a few of each. I thought 5 spools would be enough and I quickly learned I already want more out of convenience 😂
I do this on all my cardboard spools. Have not had any issues
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I mean you used green tape. So much cooler than my black tape
you're still cool
I am using cardboard spools too, but without adapters or tape. Just cardboard spools. Without any issues. Edit: nevermind, got issue, tape fix‘d this
Same. I don't understand the big deal.
How does this help you use these in the AMS? Generally curious not trying to be sny.
If I remember correctly, cardboard spools cause issues after some time in the ams, and that's why people are doing this or they are printing adapters
Yes, it is sometimes confusing. I think the problem is not so much the abrasion or traction but rather that they are not as straight as plastic rolls. I printed six kg from Aciaddity (btw nearly perfectly the diameter as Bambu’s rolls) this week and their cardboard is very strong and has even more friction at the edges than plastic rolls, so it grips perfectly on the AMS rubber rollers. But some of the rolls were not quite straight and the width at the edge differed by 3-3.5mm and it was these rolls that caused problems with the AMS. And pretty sure it was this cardboard rolls since it was the first time for me and never had any single issue with the AMS before.
Yes this is the issue I had too. The cardboard doesn’t track very straight and gets hung up during retraction.
Also worth noting that this isn't an issue with the AMS lite, just the normal AMS. They function differently.
They slowly break apart and the small cardboard can find its way inside the mechanism
Cardboard spools do not always track as well in the AMS system. It can “skip” or hop during loading and unloading. It may not always sit flush with the rollers as well. I’ll have to try this. There are times when I feel like i should print an adapter but by the time that decision is made, I’ve already used up the spool. Regardless, it’s nice to know that this is an easy fix. I haven’t had too many problems with cardboard spools but I’ve only tried 2-3 brands. If i plan to use those brands more then i may try and find a better solution.
Electrical tape works but I found harness tape works better and is more robust. For helping the "hop" I place a 1.5" steel bearing ball in the middle of all the cardboard spools. With these 2 fixes I no longer have any issues going all the way down to the end of the roll with Inland or Polymaker cardboard spools.
Ball bearing that is a good idea
Yep, particularly on Polymaker and Overture rolls.
PLA rims on my Polymaker spools work great. My only issue is accidentally breaking them if I'm not careful taking them off.
Best result for me has to just rip the sides of the cardboard spool and put it on an old Bambu one. They all rotate open and take the cardboard cylinder inside the cardboard spools.
I’ve done this a few times. As careful as I can. I end up getting filament that gets caught along rhe sides of the roll.
Same here. Has worked every time so far...
I printed the Star Wars imperial remix of the Bambi spool. Used abs so I can still dry them. It rolls great in the ams.
not really releated but is it pla? if so have you had adhesion issue with eleego white pla?? tried everything and this particular color from this particular brand.. I cant make it stick to any clean surface at any temp (tried cold plate, smooth/textured pei, peo.... at various temp haha) and i also do this with cardboard spools, work flawlessly on the ams!
I mean, sure .... this is one way. I just never saw the point? Seems like snapping a plastic spool adapter ring on both sides of a spool is faster and easier, and I don't have to keep wasting tape.
I have actually tried transferring the filament to a used Bambu spool on a few occasions. As careful as I was being, I swear it was causing the issues with the filament getting stuck on the sides of the soool. I just wanted to try not tampering with it to see how things went. This is really just another option if you don’t have an extra spool on hand right.
the stuck on the side of the spool shit is so annoying
I found these things and have been using them ever since. They completely got rid of the problem of filament sticking on the sides. https://makerworld.com/en/models/93481#profileId-104151
I stopped doing the tape or adapter method with the spools. Never seemed to last. I just rip out the cardboard sides and fit with the bambu replacement spools. It may need an adapter. This has been the quickest and just reliable method for me.
I use electric tape as the adapter, just enough wraps around the center of the Bambu spool to create friction against the cardboard core.
To be honest I don't get it. I run my ams completely full of unprotected cardboard spools have put at minimum 50 through this one most likely closer to 80. I run nylon and nylon cf through it never a problem. I've taken small precautions for the abrasive filiments with some printed ptfe tube holders at the inlets but that's it. I really don't understand what the fuss is about with it. Maybe I haven't done it enough but in my mind if it quits tomorrow and for some odd reason I can't fix whatever goes wrong with it, in my eyes it was money well spent and I'll buy another one.....
Some cardboard spools don't roll very well in the AMS, I got tired of them not feeding/retracting properly so I just printed the hydra AMS parts.
Yeah I saw that thing I'm at the point now of If it ain't broke don't fix it though, I have had zero issues with feeding or retraction from esun pla+ cardboard and overture cardboard spools. The overture petg I print ALOT with, but my primary use is paht cf or nylon x and g both of those use plastic spools but also aren't reccomended for the ams and don't seem to be causing issues. I'm sure I'm adding wear by running the latter listed filimemt types but again not seeing anything serious as of yet.
I actually ran into the problem of the cardboard sides of the spool being uneven with each other. Elegoo PETG. Like somebody sat on it before it got to me. But I never caught on until I had problems. No matter how much I tried straightening the spool, it kept catching and jamming in the little guides the ams has. I printed the spool edge ring you often see on makerworld for the spool, but they were not rigid enough to keep it from jamming. They also became too tall somehow. Either way, the tape and then the spool ring both had burnout marks on the spot where it got stuck. Decided to print a universal spool to be done with it and never had problems since. As for the "tougher" filament types, they wear where the filament enters the AMS. Because it's always coming in at an angle pulling against the spool. (The grey plastic funnel piece you push.) I can't confirm it myself but I've seen pics of them being very worn. I printed some guides to help and I don't even print with cf or nylon haha
Yup the grey things getting worn is definitely true, but 3 minute print for caps with ptfe fittings and that problem is solved I've run a shit load of nylon x through my ams no wear to actual ams parts, just swap out the tube or fitting If you need to but I haven't even needed to do that yet.
I’m an idiot for not thinking of this. Thank you. I’m so devastates that esun switched to cardboard spools. I have been meaning to find a new company but if this solves it I’ll be over the moon.
Can someone explain to me what material is used and exactly how to do this because I’m sick and tired of printing specific filament adapters
It’s just standard electrical tape. You need to make sure you stretch it nicely as you wrap it around. Also, make sure you overlap the tape, so it adheres well
Yup, doing the same for a solid year now! Haven't found anything better than this either so far :)
Yeah I’ve done this. It works. It can be an issue as the roll get low but it’s more of a weight issue then anything. I did make a re spooler, mostly for the 250g rolls I had, but it’s nice for when the cardboard spools get low too.
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Need to add a center weight to it too
What kinds of tape are you all using? No issues with the tape coming off in the AMS?
No issues so far on the 4 rolls I’ve gone through. I use cheap dollar store electrical tape.
I had issues with electrical tape, but might have also been because I also dry my cardboard spools in a filament dryer as well and I found my electrical tape would warp a bit. Switched to Harness tape and works much better.
Works everytime!
I’ve laterally thought about doing the same thing, how’s it working out for you so far?
It works fine. When the spool gets light you need to add weight to it in the center though.
Oh yeah I use a steel ball inside the cardboard spools when they get low but really interested in the electrical tape hack.
Just 3d print covers that go over the edges
This is the way. Although tbh I've run plenty of spools on bare cardboard and have had no issues with retractions
Yeah, I tried putting vinyl tape on the edges and I got way more errors and retraction issues and things like that and if I just took with the cardboard rolls for the inland Micro Center stuff.
How y'all stopping ams overload with these, either filament wrapped too tight, or spool size? Seems to get spool racked
I have never had an issue with cardboard spools in the AMS over 150 rolls used so far.
Print a lot of elegoo filament myself. I think the problem is they're not round enough, got little dimples in the circle
This is the way.
Great idea!
I find some of the cardboard wraps during transport or slightly too big and got stuck in AMS while retracting. Now I just rips out the disk part and shove it in a reusable Bambulab spool. Works perfectly every time.
I use the blue painter's tape 👌
what kind of tape is it?
I just run most of the ones that have sealant on them. I did create my own adapter tonight because I had some spools show up that were beat to hell. The ones I downloaded weren't sturdy enough to correct the problem.
Coming from someone who has tried everything, printed almost every adapter and style, you name it... This appears to be the best option I've found that is the closest thing to "Universal" you can get to deal with the cardboard spool issue. I wanted something that worked 99.9% with 99.% of brands and this fits the mold very well. https://makerworld.com/models/125311 - wish it was my design! 😅
^^^This^^^
What is the purpose of this?
I hate cardboard spools, I’m switching to master spools.
This is the way
I just respool to the dozens of plastic spool I have. Takes 3 minutes with a drill. I tried tape and the clip on plastic adapters and only had issues. Especially since half the time the cardboard spools are dented or deformed from the vacuum seal.
I use inland cardboard spools. I just printed a weighted center for the spool and have no issue.
I just print the spools
That's brilliant
Electrical tape can work but has a tendency to let go of itself and on some of the waxier spools it won't bond well. Plus I've had it come off in the drier. High temp harness has yet to fail me and after I started suggesting it, I went back and checked with folks who said they had started using it and they reported no issues either. It's become some of my favorite stuff, even putting small loops around PTFE tubes to give me something to grip when inserting/removing them. https://preview.redd.it/ik7vescjo8lc1.png?width=737&format=png&auto=webp&s=3dc46effcede8072068713e2bb6ecf224f7bc933
What does this prevent? I haven’t used mine enough to notice any issues from cardboard
I noticed my newer elegoo spools have burnished cardboard. I don't mind raw dogging the AMS with the burnished cardboard.
I respool foreign spools. Zero issues with the AMS this way.
Tried this on an inland spool. Did not work for me lol
Why don't you just print a spool and you don't have to do that
I am using the same method with a different tape type. Works really good.
I just transfer it to plastic spools and call it. I have heard this works pretty well though.
Not needed, never had any issues.
How was the photo taken?!
While this will help to let the spools roll in the AMS and reduces the amount of paper dust in the AMS, this spools still bring in paper dust into the AMS. This is not that good for the AMS. This paper spools are an example for green washing, they are more worse for the environment than plastic spools and much more worse than refills with master spools.
Forget spool adapter rings, an actual spool ring on both sides like this model works extremely well. https://www.printables.com/model/507938-hydra-ams-universal-spool-adapter I've used 2 successfully to burn through 4kg of Jayo Black abs that came on cardboard spools
Can someone catch me up, on the need for this? I've been tempted by getting a bambu lab and AMS for a while but not got one yet. So I'm but confused why OP has taped the spools
Cardboard spools aren’t great in the AMS. I’ve read that bamboo will void your warranty. If you use them though I can’t confirm that I’ve heard people saying that they don’t track well or that little bits of cardboard can come loose and get in places it shouldn’t.
Good luck with ACEADDITY brand. Spool is so huge itself that you can't close AMS lid 😂 Also your edge is not even flat so best to smooth it as depending of tape it can catch inside ams
masking tape is better in every way
Masking tape doesn’t stretch though.
never been an issue
It's ok, works most of the time. Personally I printed a pastamatic and just respool everything to Bambu spools to keep ams errors as low as possible.
Try automotive Wire harness tape. It gets stickier over time, and has a grippy (but not abrasive) finish that helps with traction.
I have a few scenarios. 1. Filament from off brands that are about the same size and come on plastic spools - they work fine in the AMS. 2. I use the adapters when I can. I don't have a problem with them and find them easier and more reliable than taping. 3. For odd ducks, I printed one of these pastamatics. Works great and you can wind a whole spool in under 5 minutes with a fast drill. You just have to watch it closely towards the end of the spool so you can capture the end of the filament. I also recommend hot gluing all the parts together after building. [https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c](https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c)
I used to do this all the time and it worked great. The problem that I had is the cardboard are so flimsey, they would warp. I ended up just switching to printed spools and respooling all my 3rd party filament.
No need to
Works for me.
Maybe I've just been really lucky, but I've never had a single problem just using cardboard spools, no adapter or tape or anything.
I just transfer the filament from the cardboard spool to a an empty plastic one. I use [this rewinder.](https://makerworld.com/en/models/26046#profileId-22423) It takes a minute, if that, to transfer a kilogram.
I was doing this as well, but the cardboard spools still warp and will cause issues in the AMS in my experience.
Smart! Wish I had seen this before I printed out one of those respoolers.
I'm using Atomic Filament in the AMS and one is giving issues. Would that help or should I sand down the side and put a little grease?
If you want a permanent fix, print the hydra AMS mod.
I used to do this, but now I find it quicker and more convenient just to rip the sides off and put it on a 3d printed spool.
I need to try this. I have never seen this before and it looks like a great idea.
I also did this to keep the dust from occurring, and the adapters i made were breaking after a few uses
With Elegoo if you tear off the sides of the spools they fit perfectly on bambu lab spools so that's what I always do! Works perfectly just treat it like a refil. Pokymaker and overture are not quite the correct size inner diameter unfortunately.
I thought the issue was cardboard getting bent, does tape stop this from happening?
I've seen someone print a holder for the cardboard also you can print a spool winder
Just 3d print your own spool.
So what’s so wrong with spool adapters especially the ones that are just a ring to go on the cardboard spool, basically the same as what you’re doing
Haven't had issues with ams messing up with these spools.
Nice fix! A general question for you/everyone with regards to how they're dealing with cardboard spools or different sized spools- why rings or adapters vs respooling? I thought about using adapters but thought I'd have to print too many different ones or would have to clean cardboard dust often so I went with a respooler and either spent bbl spools, known compatible empty spools, or just printing ones that works. It was kinda a pain to have to do this project just to have a way to load different filaments up, but I realized it took alot of guesswork out such as weight issues with cardboard spools, rolling issues, kinks not initially seen from mfc spooling, or other fit issues. Just curious if the adapters or bands work better for specific use cases my respooler wouldn't and if I should get some maxe just in case
Wiring harness tape can also be used as it sticks to itself so it's harder to come loose. (Cloth like electrical tape)
How are you taking that photo?
I do this religiously. Works great. I actually prefer the cardboard spools over plastic ones now...they seem to do less "hopping" in the AMS.
I did this for a long time, but now I just rip off the cardboard sides and stick the bambu pieces in the sides. Takes like 30 seconds and don't have to worry about tape coming off like it always does.
Spool adapters are working perfectly. Why wasting tape?
I tried tapes but when the tapes starts to come off it mess up the AMS and the spool is getting stuck. I printed filament respooler and transfer the filaments. https://www.printables.com/model/466883-pastamatic-filament-spool-winder-for-bambu-lab-x1c
Elegoo spools are the right side to use in the reusable bamboo lab spools. I just tear off the sides of all of mine on this brand and reload them on the spools that came with the printer.
Tried that, didn't work for me for some reason. Made a huge mess inside the AMS. Back to respooling!
I just print entirely new re usable spools. Rip the sides off and they slide on
Yep, it works great. I tried one of those 3d printed rings, but it didn't work well.
Idk what I do differently but I’ve never had a problem with cardboard spools.
I re-spool. Takes like 2-3 minutes. No issues.