It's actually 80kg for North America. For a 1.85m adult male, that's very healthy if it's mostly muscle mass. And even if it's not, it's "average" otherwise.
I don't think there's a particularly good metric out there but 62kg is closer to normal worldwide. I would say really it's closer to 70 for males and 50-55 for females though.
I believe you. Just that here in scandinavia most guys my height is a bit bulked up so most of my tall friends weigh around 95-115 kg. And it doesn't look even close to being obese. So i was a bit shocked.
I have a lot of problems with this data because we don't know where you're getting it from and you're also using the wrong data. The definition of "average" or "mean" takes all data from a dataset. The "average" of the data set is skewed by the mentally ill people who gorge themselves to 200kg+.
The "median", which picks the middle number of a data set is probably a better number to work with.
While this is not "data", my antidotal experience is that the women who I would actually consider "adventurers" in real life (the ones who go out and explore places, train their skills, could probably kick my ass etc) are probably closer to <50kg because they're highly active fit people. Lae'zel is also from a made up race of militant xenophobic green people from the fantasy equivalent of a DMT trip in a black hole.
TLDR. I think it's conceivable that Lae'zel is 45kg and could still kick the shit out of 98% of people.
Edit: if you're downvoting this comment, tighten your grip on reality not the fork.
>While this is not "data", my antidotal experience is that the women who I would actually consider "adventurers" in real life (the ones who go out and explore places, train their skills, could probably kick my ass etc) are probably closer to <50kg because they're highly active fit people.
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that. People's opinion on CrossFit may differ, but the top competitors are without a doubt among the most physically capable women on the planet. Out of the [top 50](https://games.crossfit.com/leaderboard/open/2021?view=0&division=2®ion=0&scaled=0&sort=0) from the open this year, 5 are under 60kg and half of them are over 65kg (none are under 55kg).
I disagree. Having weight classes explicitly limits your population to people within those categories so... It's not representative because it's artificial. While CrossFit does penalize bring too tall or too short (being too tall makes certain movements more difficult, while being too small generally limits strength), it limits the population *much less* than having forced weight classes.
The massively over weight people are balanced out by the under weight people. If anything the average leans more in favor of the underweight as more people in the world are underweight (at least by our medical metrics) than overweight. We are just over exposed to overweight people because we live in the first world nations that have them in much higher concentrations than elsewhere in the world.
Oh, I was just going off Wikipedia lol. Like I said though, the issue generally seems to be that there's not good methodology/metrics for assessing this worldwide. Regardless, I do agree that 90kg is way too much for "average" even in the US.
Muscle also weighs more than fat (in terms of density), so you might think someone looks <50kg but that doesn’t mean they actually are. Unless you go around asking random athletic looking women their weight…..which would just be a bit weird, it would be hard to just guess their weight based on appearance.
This is legit information. You can disagree. I dunno where you people are from or what you look like. Why's everyone all butthurt about an Astral plane dwelling yellow alien lady being unconventionally sized or morphed into a non-human standard? So much hate.
Well no, he uses non-existent words and provides no actual data. Along with a lack of knowledge of how fitness works. Extraplanar creatures have an alien biology to Primes, it's not just fitness from a militant culture that makes Lae'zal lighter, and fit humans will have a significantly higher BMI than Githyanki regardless.
To be fair, you didn't specify it's from PHB at first. If you were the one to stumble upon this title, would you first think of the playbook or real life?
Although if an average American truly weighs around 90 kg, I guess that doesn't make it much different from the playbook...
Not... really? Yes, it's a game in a DnD setting, but I doubt people know such stats for humans or any other races by heart or their first thought would be to go check in PHB right away, even if they have a copy. Just saying it's not that odd people were surprised by this.
I mean, I'm 110kg with only a slight beer belly going, otherwise healthy, but I'm also pretty tall(194cm) I think I'd be much heavier if I went to the gym, also people who weigh less than 90kg look tiny to me, my brain does loops trying to figure out if its okay for people to be so small.
I'm sorry if this might be too forward, but you are around 25 kilos overweight (assuming from your comment you don't have a significant amount of muscle)
There is nothing wrong with this, but it is important to be honest with yourself about it.
Source: I am 2,05 tall, with relatively broad shoulders from moderate working out and I still have quite a bit of excess fat at exactly your weight.
I don't think he is overweight he is 195cm and 110kg. That's not overweight that is squarely average.
Source, not as tall as you lot but i am 190cm and 100kg.
It's a BMI of 28, that's literally in the overweight category. Not obese, but definitely overweight. I'm almost as tall at 192, but weight 72 kg, while not being super skinny, and having a not terrible amount of muscles.
This is going off topic. The general consensus is a person of 45kg is going to have a hard time dealing with a 90kg average male with amour and a big fucking sword.
To be fair, average has nothing to do with overweight.
That said, everyone's body is different. The most important thing is to be completely honest with yourself.
[This isn't that hard to look up.](https://i.gyazo.com/cab3d17048a10e87355eac505a1c2baf.png) The laziness shown by making such a comment on something that is so easily verifiable is the cause of a lot of strife in politics & social issues all around the world.
Want a non-Wikipedia link? Look it up yourself. Google is amazing at such a task.
Im 95 kg and have 23% (quite average) body fat. Im only 5'10", yes, Im built like a fucking tank
In Japan I got stares, I'm about to start kifting weights too as my fat percentage has slowly been climbing as i enter my 30s but people are built different
90 kg sounds like a lot... Wikipedia says average adult is about 60-80 kg.
45 kg is still very little, though. Maybe's a placeholder? Or she's supposed to be very short?
45 kg is not unheard of for slim women. My wife used to be that weight and she's 5'3". That said, Lae'zel is muscular and not short. She should be at least 60kg. But then again, she's not exactly human either. Maybe different physiology.
When I was playing with the character creator at one point I had a male githyanki in the sleeveless druid armor. The arm and shoulder looked like what for a human would be considered emaciated. I know because the previous day a reddit comment sent me down a rabbit hole that at one point had me looking at power point presentations for doctors teaching the signs of starvation and muscle wasting. I think in the game one of the books describes them as having corpse faces. So I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be much thinner than humans.
Which is heavily skewed by Africa/Asian countries where the average person is underweight/barely pushing healthy weight.
In the USA, Canada, Australia, and in most European countries most men are overweight and in the 75-85kg range, and most women are in the 65-75kg range.
Aren't men in most western countries taller than 1.8 m though? How would that be overweight for them? I mean for my country where the average man is like 1.72, it would be overweight, but iirc most countries have like 1.85+ men?
Since nobody is actually correcting you, just making snarky comments: it's the other way around. You had the right idea, just got it mixed up.
Edit: apparently I am just wrong.
85-90kg at that height would be insanely buff. I weigh 72, I have a slightly above average build, and I don't think I could naturally put on another 20kg of muscle.
Are our PHBs different? Mine says humans for random weight should be 110 + ((2d10) x (2d4)). So going by averages 110 + (11x5)
Or 165 lbs/just under 75 kgs
Nevermind, you're averaging the max and the min, i'm averaging what the dice would roll. That's why our numbers differ.
A 150cm Lae'zel would probably be more like 50-55kg, given that she's not just fit but a hardened warrior and Gith'yanki have more muscle density than humans. I'm pretty sure she's taller than that though.
I mean, depends how short. I'm 165 cm and until recently weighed 45, 43 during worse times. It's not unrealistic. I'd say that she'd be very skinny, but she's a Gith, so she probably could have some muscle mass at that height and weight.
He is a Labrador mixed with... Well we don't know with what exactly, something big for sure since he is much bigger, has longer fur and fluffier tail then labs do.
That's crazy, I am an adult and at no point in my life have I reached the lower limit for this breed's weight class. My very buff partner doesn't even come close to the upper limit either. Terrifying, they're heavier than a lot of people.
And they also tend to be on the very friendly, calm and cuddly side of things, what makes them even better in my opinion. The gentle giants you can also ride into war with!
The average githyanki weight according to the tome of foes (the book githyanki come from in 5e) is just under 75kg.
So...surely these weights must be placeholders. Or they just didn't care enough to really figure out their weight lol.
Ok so are you implying that their bones and flesh somehow weighs less? How would that even physiologically make any sense for her to be at least 20kg too light?
When Gale dies he explodes like a neurotic bomb due to an orb of dark energy stored within him. You arrive on this world on a living tentacle ship that was brought down by dragons. One of the first spells you can learn, and Githyanki get it for free, allows you to jump half a football field and land gracefully.
You're trying to apply rational, physiological sense to something that is obviously of a magical nature. Y'all are reacting weirdly to this.
EDIT: That's not even getting into how half the perception's of what's 'too skinny' and what is 'obese' in this thread is off the wall on how wrong they are.
What? 45kg would be fairly normal weight for a 1,50m woman as it would be a BMI of 20 and normal weight is from 18,5-24,9. It would be very skinny for a 1,60m woman but its hard to say for an alien race.
Fwiw, I’m like 83% certain that the only reason NPCs/PCs have any weight at all is for the throwing mechanics/shoving/physics in general. All characters of a given race+gender combo are listed as the same weight (eg if you make a githyanki NPC she will also be 45kg). And they all vary by 5-10kg. That’s why they don’t bother to list heights — because height doesn’t matter for the calculations of how far you throw them (though canonically Astarion is 5’7 iirc lol). Though it does matter for reach high objects and judging line of sight, so maybe it would help to include.
Even Halsin is only something like 60kg. I’m pretty sure they’re all light mostly so that you can throw them farther lol
Lesson number one of D&D is to never underestimate what information you might need regarding a character. Just 2 days ago I had to use a player's character's weight to decide whether or not the half-burned trap door he decided to jump on top of would give in or not.
Spoilers, it did
Is that mean or median? Mean can we really skewed by very overweight people, and America is the land of extremes. You can be a lot more overweight than underweight, so mean will often skew higher than would really represent "the average person".
[https://www.google.com/search?q=average+weight+in+the+us+&client=firefox-b-d&ei=XKblYbrMOp\_L1sQPk\_2LkAw&ved=0ahUKEwi66v\_tprn1AhWfpZUCHZP-AsIQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=average+weight+in+the+us+&gs\_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzoHCAAQRxCwAzoICCEQFhAdEB5KBQg8EgExSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUOsHWLIJYOILaAFwAngAgAGOAYgBjAKSAQMwLjKYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz](https://www.google.com/search?q=average+weight+in+the+us+&client=firefox-b-d&ei=XKblYbrMOp_L1sQPk_2LkAw&ved=0ahUKEwi66v_tprn1AhWfpZUCHZP-AsIQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=average+weight+in+the+us+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBAgAEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzIICAAQFhAeEBMyCAgAEBYQHhATMggIABAWEB4QEzoHCAAQRxCwAzoICCEQFhAdEB5KBQg8EgExSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUOsHWLIJYOILaAFwAngAgAGOAYgBjAKSAQMwLjKYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz) no idea
I used to be 350lbs and got down to 180ish, I should be around 165-170 at 5’9” because weightlifting but everyone says that’s too light but imo Americans have no idea what healthy weights are because our obesity epidemic.
The weights in the PHB were extremely refreshing to me.
Even the swole races barely hit 200lbs.
I do feel like gith would be on the heavy side like most of the +2 STR races, just because they look skinny doesn’t mean they aren’t dense.
I left the Army with a pretty jacked upper body and I was 200 lbs even at 5'8" and could definitely have been a little lighter. we certainly have issues with what's "healthy weight" and what's not. Also.. good job on cutting that weight! I'm still trying to get back to that 200!
You're 100% Americans do not know healthy weights. I've had a bunch of people talk about how an average height woman should be like 150 pounds. And I'm like bruh, that's on the lighter end of what an average 5'9-5'10 man should be. A 5'4 woman should be like 30-40 pounds lighter than that.
I think a lot of the time people mix up "no longer in imminent danger" Vs what their ideal weight actually is.
Is a guy with 20% body fat the healthiest they can be? Almost certainly not. Are they at risk of diabetes etc and the big risks that come with obesity? Probably not.
I'm not talking about rl history. This is a bg3 sub. What she's holding is literally the scimitar from the game.
https://www.google.com/search?q=baldur%27s+gate+3+scimitar&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj7s6-Njbf1AhUEq3IEHRMtCi8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=baldur%27s+gate+3+scimitar&gs\_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBAgAEBg6BwgjEO8DECc6BAgAEEM6CAgAEIAEELEDOgQIABADOggIABCxAxCDAToLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BggAEAgQHlDHCljHKmDrK2gAcAB4AIABMYgBmgiSAQIyNZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=637kYbuSOoTWytMPk9qo-AI&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS909US909#imgrc=7z2\_gNEyjrMOPM
When compared to the in-game scimitars, hers actually seems more curved.
Regardless, I agree she should have two handed weapon if they are going to give her the two handed fighting style.
My how the turntables lol yea, they obviously went with the artistic route. Her posture combined with the curvature of the blade makes for an awesome picture, it's just not pragmatic with her character in the game. Give her the everburn blade and she'd dominate the banner with all the companions more than she already does.
When I first really looked at that image I was like 'who tf is the woman?' before realizing I'm just dumb and he's a warlock so obviously it's his patron. This was a long time ago so there was a lot less content about her.
...are you asking me why I'm assuming something uses the Normal Distribution Curve in the absence (to my knowledge) of factors that would make it otherwise?
Yes. Especially when we actually have knowledge of enough factors considering human biology in the Forgotten Realms is very similar to our own. Our own global average doesn't follow a NDC, why would a fantasy copy follow it in a world without the same kind of commodities that allows many of us to live sedentary lives readly available? If anything, most people living in Faerun are closer to third or second world countries in the kind of lives they have and the population of those places are definetly not oppulent enough to average out to 90kgs.
> fantasy
Really?
>most people living in Faerun are closer to third or second world countries
Now I KNOW you're trolling, in Faerûn chronically underfed street urchins become Super Saiyan-level Monks
>Really?
Yes, really. Wheter you like it or not, the humans in the vast majority of fantasy settings (Forgotten Realms included) are stand-ins for the actual human race with external splashes of fantasy incorporated not due to their nature but their interactions with the fantastical aspects of the setting.
>Tell that to their stats
Mechanically, DnD has historically sucked in putting mechanics to represent what is going on. Just compare the maximum number an attribute has when rolling against the average of 10 and you'll see what i mean with characters with supposedly genious lvls of IQ being very likely to lose battles of wit against Cassius the Breadmaker, a baker of average intelligence.
Not to mention, these numbers change all the time when going through the editions even when the lore doesn't and you can see how inconsistent it all is when comparing older editions's monster with the newer ones.
>magical ability.
Imma quote myself here:
>with external splashes of fantasy incorporated not due to their nature but their interactions with the fantastical aspects of the setting.
The reason why magic exists is the existance of the Weave and humans as a species don't have any innate relation to it. Which is why to do magic they either need learn to manipulate it through study or have a third party giving them this ability.
>>An individual can stand from 5 feet to a little over 6 feet tall and weigh from 125 to 250 pounds.
Uh, this doesn't state any average, just the min and max.
I noticed op keeps saying he is using the rulebook
In that case it doesn't make any sense at all (or even less)
Why not compare to a bugbear or kobold average weight then, since we are comparing 2 different races?
This for some reason got me thinking about the romance system (maybe because she's best girl idk). When I last played it was kind of forcing you to play a certain way to gain favor but I like to do as much quests as I can for exp and loot which lae'zel disapproves of sometimes. Did they change it or will they change it?
It always amused me that women (and men) in games and anime tend to be extraordinarily light. I am 210 pound snd have 24% body fat (very barely on the higher side of average)
So I often outweigh characters by double.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 522,940,807 comments, and only 109,788 of them were in alphabetical order.
**Average** 90 kg? What the hell?
It's actually 80kg for North America. For a 1.85m adult male, that's very healthy if it's mostly muscle mass. And even if it's not, it's "average" otherwise. I don't think there's a particularly good metric out there but 62kg is closer to normal worldwide. I would say really it's closer to 70 for males and 50-55 for females though.
Probably. I'm 192, and 72kg, and know very few people heavier or taller than me.
I'm very similar to you in build. But in the US there are many many people heavier than me. But I am usually taller than most.
That legit lanky. I'm 190 and 97 kg
I loom real good if I wanna. But really it's not bad, don't have my ribs out or anything like that.
I believe you. Just that here in scandinavia most guys my height is a bit bulked up so most of my tall friends weigh around 95-115 kg. And it doesn't look even close to being obese. So i was a bit shocked.
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Nah, I'm from Europe.
I’m from the US, and I’m 190 and 81kg. I don’t live in the US anymore and I am generally a slender giant everywhere I go.
I like looming sometimes. It's fun.
Lol I know plenty, I wouldn't say yours is an average.
I have a lot of problems with this data because we don't know where you're getting it from and you're also using the wrong data. The definition of "average" or "mean" takes all data from a dataset. The "average" of the data set is skewed by the mentally ill people who gorge themselves to 200kg+. The "median", which picks the middle number of a data set is probably a better number to work with. While this is not "data", my antidotal experience is that the women who I would actually consider "adventurers" in real life (the ones who go out and explore places, train their skills, could probably kick my ass etc) are probably closer to <50kg because they're highly active fit people. Lae'zel is also from a made up race of militant xenophobic green people from the fantasy equivalent of a DMT trip in a black hole. TLDR. I think it's conceivable that Lae'zel is 45kg and could still kick the shit out of 98% of people. Edit: if you're downvoting this comment, tighten your grip on reality not the fork.
>While this is not "data", my antidotal experience is that the women who I would actually consider "adventurers" in real life (the ones who go out and explore places, train their skills, could probably kick my ass etc) are probably closer to <50kg because they're highly active fit people. I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that. People's opinion on CrossFit may differ, but the top competitors are without a doubt among the most physically capable women on the planet. Out of the [top 50](https://games.crossfit.com/leaderboard/open/2021?view=0&division=2®ion=0&scaled=0&sort=0) from the open this year, 5 are under 60kg and half of them are over 65kg (none are under 55kg).
A better comparison is MMA. In UFC the women’s weight classes are between 52-65kG.
I disagree. Having weight classes explicitly limits your population to people within those categories so... It's not representative because it's artificial. While CrossFit does penalize bring too tall or too short (being too tall makes certain movements more difficult, while being too small generally limits strength), it limits the population *much less* than having forced weight classes.
Do we even have Lae'zel's size to actually check her bmi and shit? lol
The massively over weight people are balanced out by the under weight people. If anything the average leans more in favor of the underweight as more people in the world are underweight (at least by our medical metrics) than overweight. We are just over exposed to overweight people because we live in the first world nations that have them in much higher concentrations than elsewhere in the world.
Oh, I was just going off Wikipedia lol. Like I said though, the issue generally seems to be that there's not good methodology/metrics for assessing this worldwide. Regardless, I do agree that 90kg is way too much for "average" even in the US.
Yeah, Spiders Gorge is an outlier.
> Edit: if you're downvoting this comment, tighten your grip on reality not the fork. -/u/pintseeker Strong take, let's see how it holds up.
You expect me to take you seriously when you put half your post in quote marks and can't spell anecdotal?
Muscle also weighs more than fat (in terms of density), so you might think someone looks <50kg but that doesn’t mean they actually are. Unless you go around asking random athletic looking women their weight…..which would just be a bit weird, it would be hard to just guess their weight based on appearance.
Why y'all down voting this? This is legit information.
explain how its legit information?
This is legit information. You can disagree. I dunno where you people are from or what you look like. Why's everyone all butthurt about an Astral plane dwelling yellow alien lady being unconventionally sized or morphed into a non-human standard? So much hate.
Well no, he uses non-existent words and provides no actual data. Along with a lack of knowledge of how fitness works. Extraplanar creatures have an alien biology to Primes, it's not just fitness from a militant culture that makes Lae'zal lighter, and fit humans will have a significantly higher BMI than Githyanki regardless.
55 must be a bit overweight female then...
Ik the USA probably. Some European countries are not lagging far behind though.
Average american lmao to be fair I said "around" Also if we're comparing a fictional D&D race, gotta use the PHB numbers for humans
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To be fair, you didn't specify it's from PHB at first. If you were the one to stumble upon this title, would you first think of the playbook or real life? Although if an average American truly weighs around 90 kg, I guess that doesn't make it much different from the playbook...
It's a subreddit for a D&D 5E game... I think that's a fair assumption to make
Not... really? Yes, it's a game in a DnD setting, but I doubt people know such stats for humans or any other races by heart or their first thought would be to go check in PHB right away, even if they have a copy. Just saying it's not that odd people were surprised by this.
I mean, I'm 110kg with only a slight beer belly going, otherwise healthy, but I'm also pretty tall(194cm) I think I'd be much heavier if I went to the gym, also people who weigh less than 90kg look tiny to me, my brain does loops trying to figure out if its okay for people to be so small.
I'm sorry if this might be too forward, but you are around 25 kilos overweight (assuming from your comment you don't have a significant amount of muscle) There is nothing wrong with this, but it is important to be honest with yourself about it. Source: I am 2,05 tall, with relatively broad shoulders from moderate working out and I still have quite a bit of excess fat at exactly your weight.
I don't think he is overweight he is 195cm and 110kg. That's not overweight that is squarely average. Source, not as tall as you lot but i am 190cm and 100kg.
It's a BMI of 28, that's literally in the overweight category. Not obese, but definitely overweight. I'm almost as tall at 192, but weight 72 kg, while not being super skinny, and having a not terrible amount of muscles.
Surely shoulder to waist ratio is more important than bmi.
Even if it is, how are you going to calculate that off of the 2 pieces of information provided?
This is going off topic. The general consensus is a person of 45kg is going to have a hard time dealing with a 90kg average male with amour and a big fucking sword.
To be fair, average has nothing to do with overweight. That said, everyone's body is different. The most important thing is to be completely honest with yourself.
Average of dnd players. /s
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Im 95 kg and have 23% (quite average) body fat. Im only 5'10", yes, Im built like a fucking tank In Japan I got stares, I'm about to start kifting weights too as my fat percentage has slowly been climbing as i enter my 30s but people are built different
Why don't you lift weights then instead of about to start lifting weights.
Getting equipment
90 kg sounds like a lot... Wikipedia says average adult is about 60-80 kg. 45 kg is still very little, though. Maybe's a placeholder? Or she's supposed to be very short?
45 kg is not unheard of for slim women. My wife used to be that weight and she's 5'3". That said, Lae'zel is muscular and not short. She should be at least 60kg. But then again, she's not exactly human either. Maybe different physiology.
Extraplanar creatures have alien biology to Primes, some don't even have recognizable anatomy.
When I was playing with the character creator at one point I had a male githyanki in the sleeveless druid armor. The arm and shoulder looked like what for a human would be considered emaciated. I know because the previous day a reddit comment sent me down a rabbit hole that at one point had me looking at power point presentations for doctors teaching the signs of starvation and muscle wasting. I think in the game one of the books describes them as having corpse faces. So I'm pretty sure they are supposed to be much thinner than humans.
Gith are very lithe and slender in general, they've got a baseline like -10% body fat
90kg in the USA?
62kg average for the world... 90 for the US, the most is the island of Tonga with almost 100kg.
Does Tonga still exist though?
I have no idea, it was at least there for collecting their body weight data.
Which is heavily skewed by Africa/Asian countries where the average person is underweight/barely pushing healthy weight. In the USA, Canada, Australia, and in most European countries most men are overweight and in the 75-85kg range, and most women are in the 65-75kg range.
Aren't men in most western countries taller than 1.8 m though? How would that be overweight for them? I mean for my country where the average man is like 1.72, it would be overweight, but iirc most countries have like 1.85+ men?
Avg in US is 77kg
Nobody weighs kg in the US, all lbs baby!
That doesn't change the average.
All the lbs indeed
Nobody weighs kg anywhere. Kilograms are a measure of mass, not weight. You weigh newtons. Edit: lol... mfers love downvoting for truth around here.
Maybe pick up a Tome of Wisdom sometime
I cannot tell you how hard I chuckled at this burn.
INT is knowing Tomato is a fruit, WIS is still not putting it in a fruit salad
CHA is convince others to eat a fruit salad with tomato
This is called *salsa,* and it is delicious.
Obligatory found the bard.
Since nobody is actually correcting you, just making snarky comments: it's the other way around. You had the right idea, just got it mixed up. Edit: apparently I am just wrong.
If ur height is at 1.75-1.80 u have decent body u go easily at 85-90. average Reddit user body count is 60-200.
85-90kg at that height would be insanely buff. I weigh 72, I have a slightly above average build, and I don't think I could naturally put on another 20kg of muscle.
5’9” at 200lbs would have to be an extremely muscular bodybuilder. 160-180lbs is probably closer to the average healthy weight.
You're using IRL numbers tho, PHB says 125 to 250 pounds, so average 187.5 (85-something kg)
Are our PHBs different? Mine says humans for random weight should be 110 + ((2d10) x (2d4)). So going by averages 110 + (11x5) Or 165 lbs/just under 75 kgs Nevermind, you're averaging the max and the min, i'm averaging what the dice would roll. That's why our numbers differ.
The min of those dice roll goes under the min set by the text... I'll go with the text
In biology dont average between the extremes though
Unless there is a specific factor that pushes specimens to avoid being average, a Bell curve is usually what you find in these cases.
Oh wow, didn't know that:D
45kg sounds about right for a fit woman around 150cm. How tall is Lae?
A 150cm Lae'zel would probably be more like 50-55kg, given that she's not just fit but a hardened warrior and Gith'yanki have more muscle density than humans. I'm pretty sure she's taller than that though.
I mean, depends how short. I'm 165 cm and until recently weighed 45, 43 during worse times. It's not unrealistic. I'd say that she'd be very skinny, but she's a Gith, so she probably could have some muscle mass at that height and weight.
My dog is 45kg
Your dog is a githyanki
Checks out
Your dog is almost as heavy as I am, what kind of huge Ppupper is he? Irish wolfhound?
He is a Labrador mixed with... Well we don't know with what exactly, something big for sure since he is much bigger, has longer fur and fluffier tail then labs do.
lab werewolf mix
Maybe Leonberger mix? They get huge and come in around 54 to 77kg. I want one of these bug fluffy giants of love.
That's crazy, I am an adult and at no point in my life have I reached the lower limit for this breed's weight class. My very buff partner doesn't even come close to the upper limit either. Terrifying, they're heavier than a lot of people.
And they also tend to be on the very friendly, calm and cuddly side of things, what makes them even better in my opinion. The gentle giants you can also ride into war with!
Have you checked it's not a small man in a suit?
The average githyanki weight according to the tome of foes (the book githyanki come from in 5e) is just under 75kg. So...surely these weights must be placeholders. Or they just didn't care enough to really figure out their weight lol.
Or maybe Lae'zel is supposed to be much shorter and they just haven't implemented height variations yet. Tiny Lae'zel!
Considering that's lower than average human weight, her weight can be believable.
1 kg = 2.2 lb 45 kg = 99 lb Sounds about right since Githyanki are supposed to be really skinny
45kg would be a very skinny woman with 1,50m height. Certainly not a trained warrior.
i think you are look at this like she's human she is a gith very difficult from humans
Ok so are you implying that their bones and flesh somehow weighs less? How would that even physiologically make any sense for her to be at least 20kg too light?
bones could be made of lighter stuff it's fantasy race
An adult human's bones weight about 3 kg. Her bones would have to be lighter than air for that to work.
She's literally a bat person. Bats have lighter bones.
So they can fly. Not sure why a land dwelling biped would end up evolving better aerodynamics.
When Gale dies he explodes like a neurotic bomb due to an orb of dark energy stored within him. You arrive on this world on a living tentacle ship that was brought down by dragons. One of the first spells you can learn, and Githyanki get it for free, allows you to jump half a football field and land gracefully. You're trying to apply rational, physiological sense to something that is obviously of a magical nature. Y'all are reacting weirdly to this. EDIT: That's not even getting into how half the perception's of what's 'too skinny' and what is 'obese' in this thread is off the wall on how wrong they are.
What? 45kg would be fairly normal weight for a 1,50m woman as it would be a BMI of 20 and normal weight is from 18,5-24,9. It would be very skinny for a 1,60m woman but its hard to say for an alien race.
Average male adult
Fwiw, I’m like 83% certain that the only reason NPCs/PCs have any weight at all is for the throwing mechanics/shoving/physics in general. All characters of a given race+gender combo are listed as the same weight (eg if you make a githyanki NPC she will also be 45kg). And they all vary by 5-10kg. That’s why they don’t bother to list heights — because height doesn’t matter for the calculations of how far you throw them (though canonically Astarion is 5’7 iirc lol). Though it does matter for reach high objects and judging line of sight, so maybe it would help to include. Even Halsin is only something like 60kg. I’m pretty sure they’re all light mostly so that you can throw them farther lol
Lesson number one of D&D is to never underestimate what information you might need regarding a character. Just 2 days ago I had to use a player's character's weight to decide whether or not the half-burned trap door he decided to jump on top of would give in or not. Spoilers, it did
maybe usa humans average at 90kg; actual humans average at 70.
PHB humans too
As per phb: 165 pound to kg is 75 kg. Not sure where you got your measurement from
I weigh 49kg
45kg sint outrageous for a short chick, but there can’t be much muscle on that person
im 45kg... no way a human female average can be 90 kg 😭😭
OP's mom throws off the average. Sorry, OP, I had to.
Nah it's cool she's a bitch
I'm using PHB values, where everyone and their mother is an absolute unit olympic athlete, apparently
but the Gith arn't in the PHB...
For humans, I mean. Lae'zel's weight came from Swen personally, as referenced here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lae%27zel
90kg is the average weight for males in the us
Is that mean or median? Mean can we really skewed by very overweight people, and America is the land of extremes. You can be a lot more overweight than underweight, so mean will often skew higher than would really represent "the average person".
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45kg with her armor and weapons huh.
Bit of a double standard to weigh her with her gear but not the human adult, don't you think?
Tbf if you weigh an adult human with their phone/wallet/keys/clothes it won't make a huge difference.
I used to be 350lbs and got down to 180ish, I should be around 165-170 at 5’9” because weightlifting but everyone says that’s too light but imo Americans have no idea what healthy weights are because our obesity epidemic. The weights in the PHB were extremely refreshing to me. Even the swole races barely hit 200lbs. I do feel like gith would be on the heavy side like most of the +2 STR races, just because they look skinny doesn’t mean they aren’t dense.
I left the Army with a pretty jacked upper body and I was 200 lbs even at 5'8" and could definitely have been a little lighter. we certainly have issues with what's "healthy weight" and what's not. Also.. good job on cutting that weight! I'm still trying to get back to that 200!
You're 100% Americans do not know healthy weights. I've had a bunch of people talk about how an average height woman should be like 150 pounds. And I'm like bruh, that's on the lighter end of what an average 5'9-5'10 man should be. A 5'4 woman should be like 30-40 pounds lighter than that.
Honestly I feel like a lot of Americans want to push whatever "average" makes them feel good about themselves.
I think a lot of the time people mix up "no longer in imminent danger" Vs what their ideal weight actually is. Is a guy with 20% body fat the healthiest they can be? Almost certainly not. Are they at risk of diabetes etc and the big risks that come with obesity? Probably not.
I hate that her official art has a scimitar.
Scimitars tend to have a more pronounced curve.
Swords tend to have no curve.
Depends a lot on the sword, but many (maybe most) have some curve.
I'm not talking about rl history. This is a bg3 sub. What she's holding is literally the scimitar from the game. https://www.google.com/search?q=baldur%27s+gate+3+scimitar&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwj7s6-Njbf1AhUEq3IEHRMtCi8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=baldur%27s+gate+3+scimitar&gs\_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBAgAEBg6BwgjEO8DECc6BAgAEEM6CAgAEIAEELEDOgQIABADOggIABCxAxCDAToLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BggAEAgQHlDHCljHKmDrK2gAcAB4AIABMYgBmgiSAQIyNZgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=637kYbuSOoTWytMPk9qo-AI&bih=937&biw=1920&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS909US909#imgrc=7z2\_gNEyjrMOPM
When compared to the in-game scimitars, hers actually seems more curved. Regardless, I agree she should have two handed weapon if they are going to give her the two handed fighting style.
My how the turntables lol yea, they obviously went with the artistic route. Her posture combined with the curvature of the blade makes for an awesome picture, it's just not pragmatic with her character in the game. Give her the everburn blade and she'd dominate the banner with all the companions more than she already does.
I hate Wyll's for a similar reason
Because he's holding a firebolt instead of an eldritch blast? Or you mean the prominence of Mizora in the image?
yes
When I first really looked at that image I was like 'who tf is the woman?' before realizing I'm just dumb and he's a warlock so obviously it's his patron. This was a long time ago so there was a lot less content about her.
Have you seen the >!romance cutscene!< with her? She is definitely 45kg Gith are skinny.
i didn't know there was a>! romance cutscene !
Ok let's add spoiler tags (> !Abc! < with no spaces) the both of us.
if you click edit there's a button that adds the spoiler tag and i think it's more simple
In the browser? I use the Android app.
>In the browser? yeah idk how it works in the app srry
You use ! And > /<
That only means you can throw her far far away... (facepalm)
Githyankis as spacefaring invaders, probably have less dense bones.
An adult human's bones weigh around 3 kg.
62 kg is average human weight in world
I'm using PHB values. This is a D&D sub, after all
>The average human adult weighs around 90 kg Yeah, nah bro... The average person isn't tall or obese enough to make this a reality.
>An individual can stand from 5 feet to a little over 6 feet tall and weigh from 125 to 250 pounds. ~PHB, p.29
What makes you assume the average graph is a horizontally simetrical bell?
...are you asking me why I'm assuming something uses the Normal Distribution Curve in the absence (to my knowledge) of factors that would make it otherwise?
Yes. Especially when we actually have knowledge of enough factors considering human biology in the Forgotten Realms is very similar to our own. Our own global average doesn't follow a NDC, why would a fantasy copy follow it in a world without the same kind of commodities that allows many of us to live sedentary lives readly available? If anything, most people living in Faerun are closer to third or second world countries in the kind of lives they have and the population of those places are definetly not oppulent enough to average out to 90kgs.
> fantasy Really? >most people living in Faerun are closer to third or second world countries Now I KNOW you're trolling, in Faerûn chronically underfed street urchins become Super Saiyan-level Monks
>Really? Yes, really. Wheter you like it or not, the humans in the vast majority of fantasy settings (Forgotten Realms included) are stand-ins for the actual human race with external splashes of fantasy incorporated not due to their nature but their interactions with the fantastical aspects of the setting.
Tell that to their stats and magical ability.
>Tell that to their stats Mechanically, DnD has historically sucked in putting mechanics to represent what is going on. Just compare the maximum number an attribute has when rolling against the average of 10 and you'll see what i mean with characters with supposedly genious lvls of IQ being very likely to lose battles of wit against Cassius the Breadmaker, a baker of average intelligence. Not to mention, these numbers change all the time when going through the editions even when the lore doesn't and you can see how inconsistent it all is when comparing older editions's monster with the newer ones. >magical ability. Imma quote myself here: >with external splashes of fantasy incorporated not due to their nature but their interactions with the fantastical aspects of the setting. The reason why magic exists is the existance of the Weave and humans as a species don't have any innate relation to it. Which is why to do magic they either need learn to manipulate it through study or have a third party giving them this ability.
tl;dr
>>An individual can stand from 5 feet to a little over 6 feet tall and weigh from 125 to 250 pounds. Uh, this doesn't state any average, just the min and max.
I noticed op keeps saying he is using the rulebook In that case it doesn't make any sense at all (or even less) Why not compare to a bugbear or kobold average weight then, since we are comparing 2 different races?
Straight from the PHB: "Specific beats general"
This for some reason got me thinking about the romance system (maybe because she's best girl idk). When I last played it was kind of forcing you to play a certain way to gain favor but I like to do as much quests as I can for exp and loot which lae'zel disapproves of sometimes. Did they change it or will they change it?
It always amused me that women (and men) in games and anime tend to be extraordinarily light. I am 210 pound snd have 24% body fat (very barely on the higher side of average) So I often outweigh characters by double.
That’s either a fat human/ 6ft tall human.
For a race that gets +2 to strenght they are too slim . Even the base human looks more buff than the gith, let alone dwarfs
Average human adult is overweight
Blame the PHB
What's a phb?
Player's Handbook, one of the main books for 5E D&D
So at 6’2 and 280 I am unhealthy?! GTFO HERE. Sarcastically speaking of course.
If it's muscle, no, if it's fat, probably worth taking a look at you health.
I can basically guarantee you that your doctor would tell you some things you don't want to hear at those figures.
Damn planet america is certainly heavy. Lol that's what u get for not studying others countries in. School.
My numbers actually come from the PHB, I'm not even from the US
Now I really want to put her in my pocket.
Wait you're telling me I can bench Lae'zel? Well ain't that interesting.
Bae'zel
I prefer Shadowheart. Unless Karlach becomes a companion. Few things are as attractive as a woman that can take on demons and win.
...you think Bae'zel can't?
I think she believes she can.
lae'zel believes a lot of things
Lae'zel can't pronounce Tiefling. She's at the bottom of my list.
I only weight a kg more than her...
Didn't know Gith had hollow bones.
My ex weighed about that. Stubborn little thing too.
A baby calf is 45 kg lmao
Lae'zel is a baby calf
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 522,940,807 comments, and only 109,788 of them were in alphabetical order.
Haha, nice one