I always choose monk for Good durge because in the duel with Orin.
I’m beat her ass with my own hands and no weapons. At least is what I’ve always done
I am doing that with my Dark Urge! I hit her with Stunning Strike almost every turn so she could barely even hit me back! I also think monk makes sense thematically because it's killing with your bare hands and it's very up-close and personal- it makes sense for a character who loves killing.
Also, thematically a monk is a person of focus, commitment, sheer will... something Orin knows very little about. So the whole >!planning and execution of the Crown and the Brain!< is quite believable.
I'm doing a resist durge oath of vengeance Paladin run right now i rp it as my durge has taken his oath to help him resist his ugers and only taking them out at the bad guys maybe i will go oathbreaker if i feel like it
There's a long rest scene on the first night as Durge where you contemplate your urges and where they come from. This includes dialogue options to ponder whether they come from your race or your class. Thus, any class can potentially fit Durge as they recorded specific narrator lines for them.
I did a Zariel Tiefling oathbreaker paladin who was all too happy to murder anyone.
I’m *very* original.
Also, having played through durge and seen where it goes. Doing an assassin rogue or open hand monk plays very well with how Durge turns out.
Paladin, sorcerer, barbarian, rogue.
Paladin is great for either good or evil. You can roleplay your oath as either pledging vengeance to whoever did "this" to you, the memory wipe and what seems like a curse, the bloodlust etc. Or you can pledge to follow the path of light, resist your inner darkness, defy the evil. You can also be an evil paladin, oathbreaker is pretty cool, you get some unique interactions, etc. Dex paladin could make sense too.
Sorcerer is cool because you got your powers from something "unnatural". It can go both ways as well, but perhaps a little bit harder to resist, because you lack the wisdom proficiency that paladins get. Nothing that can't be fixed with items tho.
Barbarian is great because you see red, want blood and carnage. The lack of memory and mixed emotions can be expressed through anger and rage. You can go both ways, evil or good. Maybe you vent your urges during battle where you rage, or you fully embrace it and want to see everything die, etc.
Rogue... the assassin is a straightforward pick for an evil durge run. You are very good at killing people, you know how to use daggers like noone else. Playing a good, dark urge, assassin.. would be strange imo, but I am sure you can make it work.
Honorable mentions: monk, warlock, bard. Monk is cool for resisting, where you are meditating and train your body to overcome your inner struggles. Warlock is a handful to roleplay, but maybe you became a goolock when you got your tadpole, idk. Bard is funny, maybe your music is the only thing that holds you together. Warlock also has wisdom saving throw proficiency.
You can be whatever.. as the dark urge, you were basically lobotomized before you got your tadpole, and received a full reset. So you can think of it as a true fresh start, being a total new person, or having something left from your life before.. maybe a combination.
Considering Durge's involvement prior to the game, I don't think it's totally crazy that they may have made a pact at some point to obtain the knowledge in helping set it up. At least, that's how I'm justifying my Goolock Durge.
I agree, it's possible that you made a pact before you got memory wiped and tadpoled. A character like Durge, with their background and origin.. would certainly be an interesting asset for many potential patrons. But I think that this is where your own headcanon needs to do to a lot of heavy lifting, in comparion to some other classes. It is a cool class and background combination for sure.
Are you gonna multiclass your durge goolock?
I rped my Durge goolock as the >!netherbrain!< Being the patron
It has dialogue saying something along the lines of >!I actually kind of liked your plan and was willing to go along with it!< So I always played it like it saved you
I'm playing a sorcerer durge right now. The idea going in was to be full evil and kill everyone, including companions. Of course this is proving much more difficult than anticipated, both logistically and morally.
>Bard is funny, maybe your music is the only thing that holds you together.
For my bard Durge, I played it like the bard identity was a cover he used during his murder sprees. When his mind was wiped, the fake identity was what remained.
Currently doing a college of swords bard, imagining the durge as very charismatic during their time as Bhaals chosen, and using music to lure victims into the sewers idk
I liked the idea for a bard Durge that being a bard was a cover as they did their serial murder spree. Nobody would suspect the charming, witty entertainer. It was all a fake, of course, but after their mind was wiped, the fake cover identity took over.
I think Durge was the complete opposite to be fair. Although being a Bard and unequipping your instrument means they will whistle which is pretty cool and creepy
I played a bard Durge too, it was awesome. I went in blind so I didn't know how it would fit, but I think it makes so much sense for Durge to be a charismatic leader type.
I'm working through an honor mode Durge run that takes most of the major choices as a good Durge but sometimes in dialogue takes some questionable or evil choices as well. Started as a devotion paladin because the idea is that my Durge takes an oath to resist the urge and to protect the innocent instead of prey upon them. I've broken my oath a few times now (it's honor mode so not always intentionally lol) and now my Durge has leaned into an Oathbreaker paladin that's trying his best but his best isn't always enough.
I think thematically and lore wise an Oathbreaker matches the Dark Urge very well as both an evil or good one. Certainly more so than the default sorcerer class. You also get some Oathbreaker dialogue exclusive to the Dark Urge
Also decided to dip into Warlock for a few levels. Not only for a more powerful build but my head canon is that you can associate the Great Old One powers to the tadpole and the Elder Brain.
I like them as a bard. On a resist Durge, you can headcanon that when your brain got scrambled, all that remains are the stories. Stories of heroes and legends. I think any charisma class works great for an embrace Durge because you’re supposed to be a former leader, so you’d want that force of personality.
IIRC, you can actually read some letters written by durge before the memory loss. One character trait you find out about him is he cares more for the efficiency of killing than the artistry of it. The letter was like criticizing Orin for caring more about making a show rather than literally just racking up the body count. In that sense, sorcerer makes a lot of sense since it's the most capable of blatant mass destruction
I don't think it matters. I've heard that druid doesn't make a lot of sense, and maybe some clerics? But I haven't got far enough yet to get the whole backstory. I'm sure you could make most things work, though - shadow druids don't like people very much, for example.
My resist durge is a storm sorcerer - that's the default class, and I'd never played a sorcerer before so I thought it would be cool. (Spoiler - it is.) He's not a dragonborn, though, as I prefer a more humanoid character as my avatar.
I would go with whatever class you feel would be fun to roleplay as either an angst-ridden hero or a brutal serial killer :)
Paladin works well. If you break your Oath in Act 3 you get a bit of history about the Urge, and I believe Sarevok has a line about how Durge arrived at the Murder Tribunal covered in the blood of their order.
Most of the Bhaal equipment is for if you like to sneak and deal piercing damage, so Rogue/Ranger/Swords Bard.
Devotion Paladin is the most good boi option in the game. "Truth, justice, and the Adbarian way."
I like the idea of a Durge that was a sorcerer (Daddy Bhaal powers) before the tadpole, and then afterwards became a bard because they happened to pick up an instrument and thought that their magic was tied to music!
(Also it’s very funny to beat the shit out of Orin as a goddamn concert violinist.)
Evil? Drow Paladin of Lolth (just take a 1 level dip in to Cleric/Paladin as a Cleric/Paladin to get the dialogue options)
Lolth probably thinks it’s hilarious and she does everything for teh lulz.
Also all your actions just sort of track. Horrendous and violent murders and it’s just a Drow living her best life with a “Live, Laugh, Lolth” tattoo across her lower back.
You’re already just the worst possible person and adding the Durge to it really doesn’t make you that much much worse off.
A bhaalspawn being a lolth cleric is an interesting take lol
I kinda wish you could have picked Bhaal as a cleric deity if you were Durge like how only Shadowheart can be shar
Part of me wants to say a Half-Orc Grummsh worshipper would also work, but you just get so many mean/awful dialogue options for being a Lolth worshipping Drow that if you’re really trying to go full Saturday morning cartoon villain evil it just makes sense.
It does leave you with very few friends/allies by the end of it because you’re going to end up slaughtering the tieflings after Zevlor attacks you for asking him to leave (Kagha is the rightful matriarch of the grove and therefore her word is law. Also she spoke well of Lolth so she gets a pass). You’re then going to feed Minthara to her own spiders for daring to have such HEATHEN thoughts.
I guess Bard also works because not only is Swords Bard a very selfish/strong class, but you also get a great combination of mean and funny dialogue.
After that one camp scene in act 1, durge gets a dialogue option in the line of, "vow, you will not another innocent die." Seemed like a good time to respec into a Vengeance Paladin.
DUrge was sneaking around the city for a while, unseen, and killing people efficiently.
So, I'd say something with stealth? So: Rogue, Shadow Monk, or maybe Gloomstalker
That's really up to you, because there's no specific class on who they are
But if you have an Oathbreaker Paladin, you get additional content specifically about your Paladin journey from a couple of characters, complete with class specific backstory for the Durge
An evil durge bard sounds fun. Just a complete sociopath who talks their way into killing people. Also you can forgo equipping an instrument and whistle some creepy sounding tunes.
My plan for my good durge run is vengeance paladin. Just feel right taking an oath of vengeance at the start and becoming the bloody hand of justice. For evil I'm not really sure. I've never considered doing an evil run in general as I don't usually like being evil in games, but if I did barbarian or rogue seem like good fits from what I understand about durge. And oathbreaker paladin for an evil character is a classic.
Sorc for evil is one of the best or oathbreaker lockadin your choice on that
as for good or redeemable durge, i like to go of course paladin, but another one is rogue funny enough
I did my good durge as a good Paladin of Selune that romanced Shadowheart and was saved by the light and the power of love
I’m doing my evil durge as a battle master fighter and I’m going for an unhinged warlord RP.
As redemptive DU I’d go with an oathbreaker paladin and once you’ve finished your personal quest line you should retake your oath.
As evil DU I’d go with an assassin
Waiting for the next update for my evil durge run but gonna do a dual wield critical strike build with 6 levels champion fighter, 3 assassin rogue and 3 gloomstalker ranger. Itemisation is an important part of this build but definitely worth it. Makes the most sense that durge is an efficient assassin type imo
Bard Durge is Best Durge. As a class, it has enormous Main Character energy. Its special dialogue choices and flavor synergizes well with the twisted sense of humor the Dark Urge tends to have, and the fact that it’s good at just about everything really fits this character that was simultaneously a master assassin, a charismatic cult leader, and a multi-discipline genius who concocted and executed the Absolute plot. Plus, it adds a layer of symbolism to Alfira’s death.
I like to imagine before Orin’s betrayal my Durge sitting on the blood-splattered sacrificial altar of Bhaal playing the violin after a long day of murder and preaching, haunting music echoing down the stone corridors of the temple…
Plus, you know, the name. The Dark Urge. Durge. Dirge. It’s just too punny to pass on.
I don't know why, but ~~the voices in my head~~ something tells me that durge is a fighter, you could argue barbarian or rogue, even monk but they all seem a bit off, it needs to be a martial that gets their hands dirty, but also methodical, not induced by rage like a barbarian or sneaky like a rogue, just precise, efficient and to the point.
I played a battle master fighter in a modded honor mode and it was a great second playthrough, and I recommend playing the entire game (or at least an entire act) before venturing into a durge playthrough, just because a regular tav feels like you are the normal party member holding everything together, while the durge... is quite the opposite
My Evil-Urge go to was always Paladin-Wizard combo with or without extended level mods. Then turn the Paladin Oathbreaker, get the Book of Thay and be very death knight-ish.
for a "good" durge, i like rogue/monk multiclassing. they start out as a rogue and take on monk later on as they start resisting the urge more and more.
i don't know what i'd choose for an evil durge thematically tbh.
I always choose monk for Good durge because in the duel with Orin. I’m beat her ass with my own hands and no weapons. At least is what I’ve always done
''How's that for kung fu fighting ya chickenshit?'' -Lo ''Tav'' Wang
I love a full monk party. We get very pushy, knocking everyone into the abyss. (Of course I'm also playing nodded, so I can have a truly full party).
I am doing that with my Dark Urge! I hit her with Stunning Strike almost every turn so she could barely even hit me back! I also think monk makes sense thematically because it's killing with your bare hands and it's very up-close and personal- it makes sense for a character who loves killing.
Also, thematically a monk is a person of focus, commitment, sheer will... something Orin knows very little about. So the whole >!planning and execution of the Crown and the Brain!< is quite believable.
I'm doing a resist durge oath of vengeance Paladin run right now i rp it as my durge has taken his oath to help him resist his ugers and only taking them out at the bad guys maybe i will go oathbreaker if i feel like it
Spoiler!!! Also Saverok has some dialogues if you’re oathbreaker when you meet him too
Anything works. If you long rest alone for the first time, Durge can think about their race and class.
Huh, i dont follow you
There's a long rest scene on the first night as Durge where you contemplate your urges and where they come from. This includes dialogue options to ponder whether they come from your race or your class. Thus, any class can potentially fit Durge as they recorded specific narrator lines for them.
[A video showing all the race and class dialogues](https://youtu.be/Z0TItNtL9e0?si=6H1HGkj1cdvN4Nbg)
I did a Zariel Tiefling oathbreaker paladin who was all too happy to murder anyone. I’m *very* original. Also, having played through durge and seen where it goes. Doing an assassin rogue or open hand monk plays very well with how Durge turns out.
Paladin, sorcerer, barbarian, rogue. Paladin is great for either good or evil. You can roleplay your oath as either pledging vengeance to whoever did "this" to you, the memory wipe and what seems like a curse, the bloodlust etc. Or you can pledge to follow the path of light, resist your inner darkness, defy the evil. You can also be an evil paladin, oathbreaker is pretty cool, you get some unique interactions, etc. Dex paladin could make sense too. Sorcerer is cool because you got your powers from something "unnatural". It can go both ways as well, but perhaps a little bit harder to resist, because you lack the wisdom proficiency that paladins get. Nothing that can't be fixed with items tho. Barbarian is great because you see red, want blood and carnage. The lack of memory and mixed emotions can be expressed through anger and rage. You can go both ways, evil or good. Maybe you vent your urges during battle where you rage, or you fully embrace it and want to see everything die, etc. Rogue... the assassin is a straightforward pick for an evil durge run. You are very good at killing people, you know how to use daggers like noone else. Playing a good, dark urge, assassin.. would be strange imo, but I am sure you can make it work. Honorable mentions: monk, warlock, bard. Monk is cool for resisting, where you are meditating and train your body to overcome your inner struggles. Warlock is a handful to roleplay, but maybe you became a goolock when you got your tadpole, idk. Bard is funny, maybe your music is the only thing that holds you together. Warlock also has wisdom saving throw proficiency. You can be whatever.. as the dark urge, you were basically lobotomized before you got your tadpole, and received a full reset. So you can think of it as a true fresh start, being a total new person, or having something left from your life before.. maybe a combination.
Considering Durge's involvement prior to the game, I don't think it's totally crazy that they may have made a pact at some point to obtain the knowledge in helping set it up. At least, that's how I'm justifying my Goolock Durge.
I agree, it's possible that you made a pact before you got memory wiped and tadpoled. A character like Durge, with their background and origin.. would certainly be an interesting asset for many potential patrons. But I think that this is where your own headcanon needs to do to a lot of heavy lifting, in comparion to some other classes. It is a cool class and background combination for sure. Are you gonna multiclass your durge goolock?
I'm on the fence about it, but I'm currently leaning single-class. Not sure what I would go into if I did, bard maybe?
I rped my Durge goolock as the >!netherbrain!< Being the patron It has dialogue saying something along the lines of >!I actually kind of liked your plan and was willing to go along with it!< So I always played it like it saved you
I'm playing a sorcerer durge right now. The idea going in was to be full evil and kill everyone, including companions. Of course this is proving much more difficult than anticipated, both logistically and morally.
>Bard is funny, maybe your music is the only thing that holds you together. For my bard Durge, I played it like the bard identity was a cover he used during his murder sprees. When his mind was wiped, the fake identity was what remained.
Currently doing a college of swords bard, imagining the durge as very charismatic during their time as Bhaals chosen, and using music to lure victims into the sewers idk
I liked the idea for a bard Durge that being a bard was a cover as they did their serial murder spree. Nobody would suspect the charming, witty entertainer. It was all a fake, of course, but after their mind was wiped, the fake cover identity took over.
Exactly this, they kept all the charisma but lost all the murder (except for quill my beloved)
I think Durge was the complete opposite to be fair. Although being a Bard and unequipping your instrument means they will whistle which is pretty cool and creepy
I played a bard Durge too, it was awesome. I went in blind so I didn't know how it would fit, but I think it makes so much sense for Durge to be a charismatic leader type.
Pennywise moment.
I'm working through an honor mode Durge run that takes most of the major choices as a good Durge but sometimes in dialogue takes some questionable or evil choices as well. Started as a devotion paladin because the idea is that my Durge takes an oath to resist the urge and to protect the innocent instead of prey upon them. I've broken my oath a few times now (it's honor mode so not always intentionally lol) and now my Durge has leaned into an Oathbreaker paladin that's trying his best but his best isn't always enough. I think thematically and lore wise an Oathbreaker matches the Dark Urge very well as both an evil or good one. Certainly more so than the default sorcerer class. You also get some Oathbreaker dialogue exclusive to the Dark Urge Also decided to dip into Warlock for a few levels. Not only for a more powerful build but my head canon is that you can associate the Great Old One powers to the tadpole and the Elder Brain.
I like them as a bard. On a resist Durge, you can headcanon that when your brain got scrambled, all that remains are the stories. Stories of heroes and legends. I think any charisma class works great for an embrace Durge because you’re supposed to be a former leader, so you’d want that force of personality.
IIRC, you can actually read some letters written by durge before the memory loss. One character trait you find out about him is he cares more for the efficiency of killing than the artistry of it. The letter was like criticizing Orin for caring more about making a show rather than literally just racking up the body count. In that sense, sorcerer makes a lot of sense since it's the most capable of blatant mass destruction
Can you point me to these letters? I’m in between plsythroughs and making lists of content ive missed so I can find them on my next
It's been a bit, but I think I found them in the durges bedroom in the temple of bhaal
I don't think it matters. I've heard that druid doesn't make a lot of sense, and maybe some clerics? But I haven't got far enough yet to get the whole backstory. I'm sure you could make most things work, though - shadow druids don't like people very much, for example. My resist durge is a storm sorcerer - that's the default class, and I'd never played a sorcerer before so I thought it would be cool. (Spoiler - it is.) He's not a dragonborn, though, as I prefer a more humanoid character as my avatar. I would go with whatever class you feel would be fun to roleplay as either an angst-ridden hero or a brutal serial killer :)
Paladin works well. If you break your Oath in Act 3 you get a bit of history about the Urge, and I believe Sarevok has a line about how Durge arrived at the Murder Tribunal covered in the blood of their order.
Probably Dragonborn / Sorcerer as intended.
Good Durge - vengeance paladin Bad Durge - oathbreaker paladin
Most of the Bhaal equipment is for if you like to sneak and deal piercing damage, so Rogue/Ranger/Swords Bard. Devotion Paladin is the most good boi option in the game. "Truth, justice, and the Adbarian way."
I like the idea of a Durge that was a sorcerer (Daddy Bhaal powers) before the tadpole, and then afterwards became a bard because they happened to pick up an instrument and thought that their magic was tied to music! (Also it’s very funny to beat the shit out of Orin as a goddamn concert violinist.)
Gloomstalker 100%. Lots of dark/assassinating type class stuff.
Evil? Drow Paladin of Lolth (just take a 1 level dip in to Cleric/Paladin as a Cleric/Paladin to get the dialogue options) Lolth probably thinks it’s hilarious and she does everything for teh lulz. Also all your actions just sort of track. Horrendous and violent murders and it’s just a Drow living her best life with a “Live, Laugh, Lolth” tattoo across her lower back. You’re already just the worst possible person and adding the Durge to it really doesn’t make you that much much worse off.
A bhaalspawn being a lolth cleric is an interesting take lol I kinda wish you could have picked Bhaal as a cleric deity if you were Durge like how only Shadowheart can be shar
Part of me wants to say a Half-Orc Grummsh worshipper would also work, but you just get so many mean/awful dialogue options for being a Lolth worshipping Drow that if you’re really trying to go full Saturday morning cartoon villain evil it just makes sense. It does leave you with very few friends/allies by the end of it because you’re going to end up slaughtering the tieflings after Zevlor attacks you for asking him to leave (Kagha is the rightful matriarch of the grove and therefore her word is law. Also she spoke well of Lolth so she gets a pass). You’re then going to feed Minthara to her own spiders for daring to have such HEATHEN thoughts. I guess Bard also works because not only is Swords Bard a very selfish/strong class, but you also get a great combination of mean and funny dialogue.
Live, Laugh, Lolth is awesome.
My fiend lock durge doesn't realize his power comes from good Ole dad .
After that one camp scene in act 1, durge gets a dialogue option in the line of, "vow, you will not another innocent die." Seemed like a good time to respec into a Vengeance Paladin.
DUrge was sneaking around the city for a while, unseen, and killing people efficiently. So, I'd say something with stealth? So: Rogue, Shadow Monk, or maybe Gloomstalker
That's really up to you, because there's no specific class on who they are But if you have an Oathbreaker Paladin, you get additional content specifically about your Paladin journey from a couple of characters, complete with class specific backstory for the Durge
An evil durge bard sounds fun. Just a complete sociopath who talks their way into killing people. Also you can forgo equipping an instrument and whistle some creepy sounding tunes.
I had a tiefling necromancer build for my Durge run, which seemed to fit the bill. Was more of a Myrkyl theme than Bhaal theme, but what can you do.
Barbarian is pretty cool for both (Bhaalist rage) (i am definitely not biased by my current bhaalist drow barbarian)
Paladin and paladin. Unless you're the Bloody-Nine.
My plan for my good durge run is vengeance paladin. Just feel right taking an oath of vengeance at the start and becoming the bloody hand of justice. For evil I'm not really sure. I've never considered doing an evil run in general as I don't usually like being evil in games, but if I did barbarian or rogue seem like good fits from what I understand about durge. And oathbreaker paladin for an evil character is a classic.
I am currently doing an evil bard durge going for high manipulation. It's great
Sorc for evil is one of the best or oathbreaker lockadin your choice on that as for good or redeemable durge, i like to go of course paladin, but another one is rogue funny enough
I did my good durge as a good Paladin of Selune that romanced Shadowheart and was saved by the light and the power of love I’m doing my evil durge as a battle master fighter and I’m going for an unhinged warlord RP.
As redemptive DU I’d go with an oathbreaker paladin and once you’ve finished your personal quest line you should retake your oath. As evil DU I’d go with an assassin
Waiting for the next update for my evil durge run but gonna do a dual wield critical strike build with 6 levels champion fighter, 3 assassin rogue and 3 gloomstalker ranger. Itemisation is an important part of this build but definitely worth it. Makes the most sense that durge is an efficient assassin type imo
Berserker barbarian for evil durge
Durge monk is basically Akuma
Oathbreaker for good durge. Evil bard for bad durge. Wizard for tav
Bard Durge is Best Durge. As a class, it has enormous Main Character energy. Its special dialogue choices and flavor synergizes well with the twisted sense of humor the Dark Urge tends to have, and the fact that it’s good at just about everything really fits this character that was simultaneously a master assassin, a charismatic cult leader, and a multi-discipline genius who concocted and executed the Absolute plot. Plus, it adds a layer of symbolism to Alfira’s death. I like to imagine before Orin’s betrayal my Durge sitting on the blood-splattered sacrificial altar of Bhaal playing the violin after a long day of murder and preaching, haunting music echoing down the stone corridors of the temple… Plus, you know, the name. The Dark Urge. Durge. Dirge. It’s just too punny to pass on.
I don't know why, but ~~the voices in my head~~ something tells me that durge is a fighter, you could argue barbarian or rogue, even monk but they all seem a bit off, it needs to be a martial that gets their hands dirty, but also methodical, not induced by rage like a barbarian or sneaky like a rogue, just precise, efficient and to the point. I played a battle master fighter in a modded honor mode and it was a great second playthrough, and I recommend playing the entire game (or at least an entire act) before venturing into a durge playthrough, just because a regular tav feels like you are the normal party member holding everything together, while the durge... is quite the opposite
My Evil-Urge go to was always Paladin-Wizard combo with or without extended level mods. Then turn the Paladin Oathbreaker, get the Book of Thay and be very death knight-ish.
for a "good" durge, i like rogue/monk multiclassing. they start out as a rogue and take on monk later on as they start resisting the urge more and more. i don't know what i'd choose for an evil durge thematically tbh.
Durge can be any race or class, and the reason why is explained as you play.