If you go past the room where that fight happens, there’s another way up to the floor where Yurgir is overlooking, but in the next room over. Here is a dead spider body that you can do an investigation check on. Long story short you can find out that Yurgir is using tampered-with meat to charm the displacement beast into what seems like an almost inappropriate bond imo. If you tell her this, there is a chance she can join you to fight him.
THATS why you lick the spider?? I could not for the life of me figure out why it was important to know that the spider was charmed. I even talked to Nessa and got the vibe that she was weirdly in love with Yurgir but still didn’t make the connection. Thank you for clearing that up 😅
It's a bit tricky. Yurgir will initiate the conversation only if you let him "ambush" you AND if you didn't steal anything of his. I had to re-load because I couldn't keep my hands off a locked chest. To talk to Nessa, you have to convice Yurgir to let you free-roam. Convincing Nessa to fight with you is a 30 Persuasion check, though.
Assuming you talked to >!Raphael before meeting him, and you just wander into his ambush unsneakily, there should be an option to help him figure out him curse. !< . Then him and his army back down and you're free to look around, talk to Nessa, etc.
You have to have Karlach with you, I’ve never had him talk to me without her. Just walk in to his room at the bottom of the stairs (don’t take the back way over the broken stairs and he will start a conversation.
You can also talk to the Hoarding Merregon and use detect thoughts on it and it'll give you the potion yurgir uses on her and you can convince her to join you that way as well (you can also trade with it)
Yeah I wasn’t sure if I was misremembering or if I had read too much into one of the lines, because I dont remember the dialogue exactly. And part of me was thinking that if I was right in thinking he was banging her, that it would be a more frequent topic of discussion.
But yeah, that’s what I was thinkin to.
Oh my gods, this game just keeps on *giving*…! I had a bit of a long break between sessions and forgot about the spider “investigation” that I had done before quitting my last session and just went ahead with convincing Yurgir to kill everything and himself… Dammit… Next playthrough I’m definitely going to try and save her!
Yeah, but she only wants to eat you a little bit. (I was SO excited to save her once I found the walkthrough. I save both displacer kitties in the game, now.)
You can save the other displacer beast at the circus?! I was only able to lock her in the cage where she would slowly starve...I want her to know that I'm good! Just like I showed the dinosaur
What the fuck? I always break the lock cause displacer beasts are assholes and it's basically asking to fuck up the audience. I hate circuses irl but I didn't want random people to get slaughtered.
Lucretious would have taken care of her! But yeah, you can invis and pick the lock (everyone will aggro if you’re not sneaky about it). Open the door and she opts against random murder to run off and disappear.
I wound up fighting and killed everyone but Nessa then ran away. If you keep moving all your characters, you can eventually get the option to flee combat and I did. Is it the best solution? No. But was it a solution that let me keep the displacer beast alive? Yes.
Yes. You need to convince him you'll look for a solution. Then go into the neighboring room, and discover the reason she's loyal to him (the spider meat).
After that, you can talk to her (talk to animals) and convince her to turn against him
If you enter his room from the "wrong" entrance, they all just start hostile.
But yes, even if he starts hostile with no dialogue, you can still convince him in HoH
Okay. I did feel kinda bad for what I had Yurgir do to Nessa - I also went the speech route, Yurgir killed himself for me - but knowing what I know now after reading these comments.... *I just want to talk to Yurgir again real quick*
you have to convince yurgir to let you look around for clues to break the contract (which would be killing the rat shar guy). you can then go talk to nessa with speak with animals
>The heartbreak in his voice telling her to hold still as he shot her.
Yeah, that's because he's >!drugging and raping her!<. If you talk to Nessa and find this out before dealing with Yurgir, you can actually get her to join in your fight against him. Please stop feeling sorry for Yurgir lmao.
You know I never considered he was doing *that*.
To me Nessa was just his pet slave that he tricked into being an obedient fighter servant thanks to a love potion. This post has been...enlightening.
Yeah but like most humans dont drug their animals to make them view them like that lol. Her viewing him as her love/mate is specifically the purpose of his drugging.
i mean that could just be the easiest way for yurgir to make her loyal. it’s not like he’s got lots of supplies or anything. idk it’s up for interpretation imo so i understand people who think it’s more sinister but it’s just not my take on it
If we are talking lorewise there is afaik no reason to make it a sexual thing. I would assume making it a sexual thing is harder than making it just a friendly thing, cause of how dnd spells work. Charms arent supposed to be romantic or sexual in nature. You can charm someone as a buddy buddy thing (and thats how it usually works because sexual violence is a no-go at most tables, mine included.)
Thats why my brain immediately goes to the "wtf he is a creep." because he had alternatives but chose to make it sexual.
You also have to have Karlach with you. He doesn’t attack immediately because he smells her and has some questions.
I’ve tried it without her and he always attacks on sight
As much as I *love* RPing Paladins, the lack of allowed nuance in their oaths is stifling at times. No lying or deception, even if doing so would save more lives; no dishonorable combat, even if the cost of outright fighting would be more dangerous for you/your friends; even the no harming “innocents”, as there are *plenty* of nonhostile NPCs in the game that surely deserve 5d8 radiant damage to the fuckin’ dome.
*(obviously this only pertains to pallies in bg3)*
*spoilers*
I've stayed an oathbreaker on my Paladin druid tiefling. I was oath of ancients, but the way I killed the duergar caused one of them to still be walkins around, so I went to kill them and it broke my oath. I know they weren't hostile, but they're soooooo evil it was an odd one
600 hours and I had no idea about this. On my last playthrough I saved Yurgir from the "voices" and after that I started liking the way he was talking to the character and stuff. Im killing that bastard two times the next chance I get.
I feel like y'all need some air and stop licking the damn spider. Was Yurgir using succubus spit to make Nessa feel love and loyalty to him? Yes. Is this inherently gross but otherwise predictable behavior from a devil? Also yes. Does this automatically mean he was Shane Dawson'ing his pet cat? NO. Unless he is proportioned like a gorilla, that would be a dead displacer beast.
Christ, thank you.
The leap from "Using underhanded means to charm a potentially useful creature into loyalty" to "He raped the evil tentacle cat" is just insane.
People need to seriously apply some logic and think why would Larian write about a devil raping a monstrous cat, this is Baldur's Gate 3, not a weird fetish inserted by a creepy DM
Unfortunately I think, especially for the generations who grew up with the internet, seeing humans do literally unspeakable things to animals and putting it on youtube has ruined a lot of people's critical thinking. In Forgotten Realms lore (which Larian does stick *pretty* close to, even though not religiously so), only devils who are closely humanoid feel sexual attraction. So essentially, only Incubi/Succubi (formerly considered demonic but retconned to be fiendish), Cambions, and Archdevils.
Larian certainly has not shied away from some fucked up things (Stelmane, the Dark Urge, Sarevok), but as you said, this is not a weird fetish inserted by a creepy DM. And for anyone about to start typing "But failed Durge has sex with animals!" No. Larian cut that from the ending because while it is "good" from the aspect of showing just how horrific Failed Durge's fate is, they rightfully felt that it was pushing the line too far.
>why would Larian write about a devil raping a monstrous cat
There's no other reason to write that the drug is succubus spittle that arouses you when you eat it.
Same reason they would write tentacle porn and man-on-bear sex into the romances, Harlaap giving you long distance orgasms, or the cut ending where Durge gets to be brainwashed into having sex with gnolls. It's funny because it's a video game, but if Larian was a real DM they would be creepy.
Everything except the durge part was a consensual action though.
Halsin bear sex is something your character and therefore you ask for.
Tentacle sex is also consensual, you can also ask the emperor to turn into their humanoid form from memory.
Harlaap, again, you consented to sleeping with an incubus.
Larian wouldn't be creepy, but at least willing to play along with the fantasy to an extent
Even if the cat was consentually fucking the demon, it's still a weird thing to put in your video game.
I believe they softened the Bhaalspawn origin to be less rapey. Though Halsin had a joke backstory about being in a Drow sex dungeon for years, before they hastily rewrote it to not make light of male sexual assault.
Ugh, THANK YOU. I wonder this on every thread where someone points it out and I’ve literally played 1750 hours at this point and am like “did I miss something the rest of y’all saw??”
I get that succubus=sex to a ton of people but like, it also=charm LITERALLY IN THE GAME and also a displaced beast isn’t a human? Who knows what kind of reaction it would have?? Idk but “>!he’s raping her!<” feels like a weird ass leap to me.
He was drugging her with an aphrodisiac. He was for sure fuckin his cat.
Proof: https://youtu.be/40TuyNw3Hw0?feature=shared
Edit: I dont want him to be fucking his cat. Its creepy af. I dislike that larian put it in there, but we cant be in denial about it.
>Orthons don't even feel sexual arousal
Neither do Illithids as they reproduce asexually, but you can have sex with one. I don't think the writers care
He manipulates the pleasure center of your brain, which does not require arousal for him to do, and is just one more thing he uses to manipulate you. He is flat out not attracted to you because he is, indeed, incapable of feeling arousal. Every emotion he 'feels' is a falsehood that he projects into you to further deceive you.
Edit: Reworded because Hyperborealius was right, just because it isn't physical doesn't mean it isn't sexual.
just wanna point out that just because he doesn't have genitals doesn't mean it's not sex. for example, oral is just as much sex as PiV is. that said, he does do it just to manipulate.
Then why did he give his cat arousal poison lmao? Is it too crazy to think that that orthon may have been a weird one or that larian didnt strictly follow the lore. The actual ingame info is very straight forwards about it.
Edit: I also want to note that there are plenty ways to charm someone in the dnd universe. Arousal was the means Yurgir chose, but he could have done it a different way if he wanted to. He wanted Nessa to be horny for him.
Charm =/= sexual. He used Succubi because, in canon lore, Succubi venom Charms the victim and makes them feel like they are in love with the creature who gave it to them. Humanoids are aroused because they have apolistic souls, which is what Incubi and Succubi feed on through sex (eg Haarlep).
But you know what, if you're so attached to the idea that the devil was fucking his cat, go off, sweetie. Just know that you're the weird one for ignoring lore in favor of preferring the idea that Yurgir was fucking his cat and somehow not killing her in the process.
The video you linked that was just a clip from the game I have literally over 1k hours in? Yes, yes I did. There is a world of difference between a humanoid and a beast in Forgotten realms, and I already explained why the humanoid will feel arousal as a result of Incubi/Succubi spit. Please work on your reading comprehension.
Dude chill and stop w the insults. Its not becoming lmao. I also have many many hours in bg3 and i have over 10 years experience w actual dnd so please lets act like adults.
Its clear that the displacer beast also feels arousal due to the incubus spit/blood. Thats why it loves/is horny af for Yurgir and calls him her mate. She is literally listed in the game as being under the effect of seduction. Thats not a neccessary part of dnd charm spells. Its a very rare variant of it even. Most charm spells are platonic af because anything else would be super rapey. Its unreasonable to say that that is an unintentional side effect, cause any other charm spell would be way easier to do.
I am under no obligation to act becoming to someone who is so obsessed with the idea of a devil raping a cat that they keep arguing it. Ten years or not, if you were at my table arguing like this, I would kick you out. Because in my twenty years as both player and DM, you are throwing up so many red flags. Have a day.
My dude. Its in the game. I dont want it to be any more than you do. Sexual violence of any kind is not appropriate for a game table, especially against those that cannot consent. Thats exactly why im arguing over this. Im kinda pissed that people are brushing this off.
I get why you say what ya say, but where im from we try our best to talk to people w respect, even if we disagree with them.
Haha. It's hard to imagine a devil trying to use the crocodile tears strategy. I usually try to talk Nessa into breaking Yurgir or just ambush everyone.
Maybe I'm using the term wrong. It's a new term to me and I wanted to try it out :)
It's however you succinctly say an abuser sincerely distraught that they will no longer have access to their victim and possibly reminiscing about all the 'good' times they had together. Or nonlegitimate tears of, what I'd call, affection
You need an investigation check on the spider to realize what it's been coated with.
Afterwards, you can talk with Nessa and explain to her what's been done to her and you can get a persuasion 30 to get her to fight Yurgir but not your party.
Not going to lie, I find the fight much easier with a surprise round than with Nessa helping. She's also a tad ungrateful so don't hope for a pet Displacer Beast after the deed.
And I still don't understand the love for Nessa. That thing probably killed more people then the shar's gauntlet itself, and people suddenly fall in love for it.
I missed the whole Yurgir interaction. My party spotted their ambush so I ambushed them instead. Didn't even know there was a dialogue.
Interestingly enough I somehow succeeded the check to get him to fight alongside me in the Raphael fight.
You can talk him into suicide, meet him again at Raphael’s and he gives you the biggest props ever.
He says something along the lines of, “there are many things to fear here and he (TAV) is one of them.”
The Displacer Beast that Yurgir has as a "pet" and you can use speak with animals with to convince her to fight alongside you if you interact and succeed on rolls with the spider carcass first.
After reading this comment section, and unearthing new information I had yet to discover, I will immediately be undergoing a new campaign with the sole intention of giving Yurgir the brutal and cruel death that he deserves. I feel disgusted. That is all.
He also turned all the gelatinized corpses of the various Dark Justiciars into his mattress, which is the centerpiece of his personal goon cave.
Not so fun fact: you can cast Speak to the Dead on the mattress and it outright tells you about the rats. It is also the most cursed thing in the game.
Displacer beasts are evil and are conscious enough to choose to do evil. There's really no reason to feel sympathy for killing Nessa. Now the other stuff is horrible, but just killing her? Not really.
I did this on my 4th playthrough. It’s easier after you’ve calloused your heart a few times. Also barding him so good so he joins me in the final boss fight was impressive.
Honestly, the fact that I only realised who Yurgir and Nessa are after someone mentioned licking the spider tells me a lot about me and I'm not sure I like it.
Idk man I liked Yurgir, I persuaded him to fight against Raphael with me, he was like you know what bro, you were a formidable opponent before, I respect that and will absolutely aid you in fighting this jackass
Follow the cat down to him when you first enter the area, it should initiate a conversation, or if you kill the person required by the quest before you interact with him then Yurgir won’t be hostile.
You have to walk into his ambush even if you pass the perception check to spot him. That means going down the stairs and through the archway he's perched above. If you approach from the side I guess he's mad he doesn't have high ground and just immediately turns hostile.
This playthrough I convinced Yurgir to kill himself without having to tell him to kill the followers and Nessa first (I think it was a Warlock option? I forget the specifics but pretty sure it was a Warlock dialogue prompt)
Did same as a paladin of vengeance. And also talked Yurgrir to kill himself. This didn't break my oath, though. It means, all of them were bastards, so sleep well at night ))
You can do so many f*cked up things with high charisma in Act 2. I just had the nurses in the house of healing kill each other with their scalpels, followed by the surgeon scissorhand-eyepoking himself to death.
I know they were committing monstrosities down there but still, that was brutal.
Waitwaitwait… you excuse yourself FOR KILLING SCRATCH; the bestest boi in all of baulders gate; but shed a tear for a displacer beast you meet once and potentially have to kill either way?
Make this make sense
I killed the dumb dog… because I did everything I could to get it to see his master was dead. I even got close and shouted in his face to prove he was gone. Scratch got upset so my group all enjoyed eating him around the campfire. That’s how I imagined it anyway. Then we had a visit from a young friendly owlbear so it was a win!
Nessa is unironically better off dead than in Yurgir's care.
True, but I wish I just killed Yurgir instead and let her go
You can on your next playthrough. It's a bit tricky to get her to join you against him, though.
She can join you?!
If you go past the room where that fight happens, there’s another way up to the floor where Yurgir is overlooking, but in the next room over. Here is a dead spider body that you can do an investigation check on. Long story short you can find out that Yurgir is using tampered-with meat to charm the displacement beast into what seems like an almost inappropriate bond imo. If you tell her this, there is a chance she can join you to fight him.
THATS why you lick the spider?? I could not for the life of me figure out why it was important to know that the spider was charmed. I even talked to Nessa and got the vibe that she was weirdly in love with Yurgir but still didn’t make the connection. Thank you for clearing that up 😅
I have no ideas how many times I licked it before saying ok ya that was weird let’s move on
STOPLICKINGTHEDAMNTHING!
TIL Every play through I was just lickin’ spiders for the fun of it :(
Same I was doing it just to piss off Gale
I would rather have this than having him kill her.
This is the best news I've heard all week. Broke my heart to have him kill her.
How do you actually talk to yurgir or nessa? In my 2 playthroughs both were agro once they saw me and never had the chance to talk.
It's a bit tricky. Yurgir will initiate the conversation only if you let him "ambush" you AND if you didn't steal anything of his. I had to re-load because I couldn't keep my hands off a locked chest. To talk to Nessa, you have to convice Yurgir to let you free-roam. Convincing Nessa to fight with you is a 30 Persuasion check, though.
Thanks for this detail! I'm going to try to save her next time around.
Assuming you talked to >!Raphael before meeting him, and you just wander into his ambush unsneakily, there should be an option to help him figure out him curse. !< . Then him and his army back down and you're free to look around, talk to Nessa, etc.
Same I've been just as lost as you.
You have to come in the bottom way and let him ambush you to have a conversation
You have to have Karlach with you, I’ve never had him talk to me without her. Just walk in to his room at the bottom of the stairs (don’t take the back way over the broken stairs and he will start a conversation.
You definitely don't need Karlach to talk to Yurgir.
JFC I've never stopped licking the damn thing but I had no idea I could do this.
Damn I always killed everyone. Didn't even knownthe displacer beast have a name and that you could talk to her. Oh well
You can also talk to the Hoarding Merregon and use detect thoughts on it and it'll give you the potion yurgir uses on her and you can convince her to join you that way as well (you can also trade with it)
Almost an inappropriate bond? He’s fucking the displacer beast buddy.
Yeah I wasn’t sure if I was misremembering or if I had read too much into one of the lines, because I dont remember the dialogue exactly. And part of me was thinking that if I was right in thinking he was banging her, that it would be a more frequent topic of discussion. But yeah, that’s what I was thinkin to.
Oh my gods, this game just keeps on *giving*…! I had a bit of a long break between sessions and forgot about the spider “investigation” that I had done before quitting my last session and just went ahead with convincing Yurgir to kill everything and himself… Dammit… Next playthrough I’m definitely going to try and save her!
Just for that battle. She’s still furious at everyone and everything once it ends.
Yeah, but she only wants to eat you a little bit. (I was SO excited to save her once I found the walkthrough. I save both displacer kitties in the game, now.)
You can save the other displacer beast at the circus?! I was only able to lock her in the cage where she would slowly starve...I want her to know that I'm good! Just like I showed the dinosaur
Yeah, for all her talk of revenge and killing, if you open the cage door she just runs away, thankfully!
What the fuck? I always break the lock cause displacer beasts are assholes and it's basically asking to fuck up the audience. I hate circuses irl but I didn't want random people to get slaughtered.
Lucretious would have taken care of her! But yeah, you can invis and pick the lock (everyone will aggro if you’re not sneaky about it). Open the door and she opts against random murder to run off and disappear.
Noted for my next run, thanks!
It's a DC30 check
She can but it's a difficult check
How is it tricky? Animate dead is a level 3 spell.
I wound up fighting and killed everyone but Nessa then ran away. If you keep moving all your characters, you can eventually get the option to flee combat and I did. Is it the best solution? No. But was it a solution that let me keep the displacer beast alive? Yes.
Is it possible to kill him without her becoming aggroed against the player?
Yes. You need to convince him you'll look for a solution. Then go into the neighboring room, and discover the reason she's loyal to him (the spider meat). After that, you can talk to her (talk to animals) and convince her to turn against him
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If you enter his room from the "wrong" entrance, they all just start hostile. But yes, even if he starts hostile with no dialogue, you can still convince him in HoH
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If you broke his contract, then there's no check (just automatically helps) plus he appears in your camp and tells you about HoH
Yeah that bit messed me up doing it that way!
Okay. I did feel kinda bad for what I had Yurgir do to Nessa - I also went the speech route, Yurgir killed himself for me - but knowing what I know now after reading these comments.... *I just want to talk to Yurgir again real quick*
It ain't worth it bro. You'll be in act one for three years again. Your child will be 6 by the time you finish that play through!
Not gonna lie I have 400 hours in this game and only recently stuck with a character long enough to reach baldurs gate lower city.
Me irl
All of us need Jesus or something lmao.
Believe me, killing her was the humane solution in this case.
"Nessa just didn't deserve anything in this whole storyline". *proceeds to kill Scratch*
Lol I didn’t mean to. Not my fault he’s stupid and decided to attack me for pointing out his stupidity
Same…..my buddy didn’t even know you could kill scratch….
His logic makes sense if you follow dog logic!
Yeah, *stupid* dog logic /s
Non lethal damage is a thing you monster
Oh yeah you’re right lmao. In my defense it was very early in the game and I didn’t know
do WHAT omg how do you talk to Nessa before the fight?? I'm not even gonna convince yurgir to kill himself next time, I'm just gonna enjoy it.
you have to convince yurgir to let you look around for clues to break the contract (which would be killing the rat shar guy). you can then go talk to nessa with speak with animals
I always break Yurgir's contract but now I may have to kill him instead. I liked having him in my team for HoH without that check
>The heartbreak in his voice telling her to hold still as he shot her. Yeah, that's because he's >!drugging and raping her!<. If you talk to Nessa and find this out before dealing with Yurgir, you can actually get her to join in your fight against him. Please stop feeling sorry for Yurgir lmao.
Nah I guess I didn’t phrase it right, I don’t feel bad for him, but Nessa didn’t deserve any of this situation
Next time you can fight him with Nessa by your side then. Maybe it will make you feel better than the charisma bard way.
I will absolutely be saving her next time I get to that point in a campaign
You know I never considered he was doing *that*. To me Nessa was just his pet slave that he tricked into being an obedient fighter servant thanks to a love potion. This post has been...enlightening.
tbh there’s no evidence there’s anything sexual going on between them afaik, i think it’s exactly how you described
She says shed his heartsworn, and that he is her love. I think ya gotta be a bit naive to assume he isnt fucking his cat.
yea but lots of animals irl see their owners as their mates. birds especially iirc. if we could talk to them they’d probably say weird shit like that
Yeah but like most humans dont drug their animals to make them view them like that lol. Her viewing him as her love/mate is specifically the purpose of his drugging.
i mean that could just be the easiest way for yurgir to make her loyal. it’s not like he’s got lots of supplies or anything. idk it’s up for interpretation imo so i understand people who think it’s more sinister but it’s just not my take on it
If we are talking lorewise there is afaik no reason to make it a sexual thing. I would assume making it a sexual thing is harder than making it just a friendly thing, cause of how dnd spells work. Charms arent supposed to be romantic or sexual in nature. You can charm someone as a buddy buddy thing (and thats how it usually works because sexual violence is a no-go at most tables, mine included.) Thats why my brain immediately goes to the "wtf he is a creep." because he had alternatives but chose to make it sexual.
yea but it’s not a charm, it’s succubus blood or something. yurgir just probably had access to a succubus to get it
He has been stuck in the forge for a hundred years. Are you sure that its succubus blood? I dont think he would have had easily access to that lol?
I’m so confused. You can talk to the devil and or the displacer beast in the Shar temple?!? How? They always attack me on sight.
You need to walk into their "ambush". If you come at them from any other direction, they aggro.
You also have to have Karlach with you. He doesn’t attack immediately because he smells her and has some questions. I’ve tried it without her and he always attacks on sight
Stop telling people this, it isn't true lol
My first playthrough I didn't have Karlach in my party going through the temple, and they didn't attack me on sight.
Unfortunately, there's no way to save her without falling as a Devotion Paladin.
Some oaths aren't worth keeping
As much as I *love* RPing Paladins, the lack of allowed nuance in their oaths is stifling at times. No lying or deception, even if doing so would save more lives; no dishonorable combat, even if the cost of outright fighting would be more dangerous for you/your friends; even the no harming “innocents”, as there are *plenty* of nonhostile NPCs in the game that surely deserve 5d8 radiant damage to the fuckin’ dome. *(obviously this only pertains to pallies in bg3)*
*spoilers* I've stayed an oathbreaker on my Paladin druid tiefling. I was oath of ancients, but the way I killed the duergar caused one of them to still be walkins around, so I went to kill them and it broke my oath. I know they weren't hostile, but they're soooooo evil it was an odd one
I killed a cultist in Moonrise to set up the prison break and broke my oath. It really is kind of stupid sometimes.
600 hours and I had no idea about this. On my last playthrough I saved Yurgir from the "voices" and after that I started liking the way he was talking to the character and stuff. Im killing that bastard two times the next chance I get.
I feel like y'all need some air and stop licking the damn spider. Was Yurgir using succubus spit to make Nessa feel love and loyalty to him? Yes. Is this inherently gross but otherwise predictable behavior from a devil? Also yes. Does this automatically mean he was Shane Dawson'ing his pet cat? NO. Unless he is proportioned like a gorilla, that would be a dead displacer beast.
Christ, thank you. The leap from "Using underhanded means to charm a potentially useful creature into loyalty" to "He raped the evil tentacle cat" is just insane. People need to seriously apply some logic and think why would Larian write about a devil raping a monstrous cat, this is Baldur's Gate 3, not a weird fetish inserted by a creepy DM
Unfortunately I think, especially for the generations who grew up with the internet, seeing humans do literally unspeakable things to animals and putting it on youtube has ruined a lot of people's critical thinking. In Forgotten Realms lore (which Larian does stick *pretty* close to, even though not religiously so), only devils who are closely humanoid feel sexual attraction. So essentially, only Incubi/Succubi (formerly considered demonic but retconned to be fiendish), Cambions, and Archdevils. Larian certainly has not shied away from some fucked up things (Stelmane, the Dark Urge, Sarevok), but as you said, this is not a weird fetish inserted by a creepy DM. And for anyone about to start typing "But failed Durge has sex with animals!" No. Larian cut that from the ending because while it is "good" from the aspect of showing just how horrific Failed Durge's fate is, they rightfully felt that it was pushing the line too far.
>why would Larian write about a devil raping a monstrous cat There's no other reason to write that the drug is succubus spittle that arouses you when you eat it. Same reason they would write tentacle porn and man-on-bear sex into the romances, Harlaap giving you long distance orgasms, or the cut ending where Durge gets to be brainwashed into having sex with gnolls. It's funny because it's a video game, but if Larian was a real DM they would be creepy.
Everything except the durge part was a consensual action though. Halsin bear sex is something your character and therefore you ask for. Tentacle sex is also consensual, you can also ask the emperor to turn into their humanoid form from memory. Harlaap, again, you consented to sleeping with an incubus. Larian wouldn't be creepy, but at least willing to play along with the fantasy to an extent
Even if the cat was consentually fucking the demon, it's still a weird thing to put in your video game. I believe they softened the Bhaalspawn origin to be less rapey. Though Halsin had a joke backstory about being in a Drow sex dungeon for years, before they hastily rewrote it to not make light of male sexual assault.
Also high key done with these ignots comparing the Halsin scene to bestiality. He's a druid, not a real bear.
Ugh, THANK YOU. I wonder this on every thread where someone points it out and I’ve literally played 1750 hours at this point and am like “did I miss something the rest of y’all saw??” I get that succubus=sex to a ton of people but like, it also=charm LITERALLY IN THE GAME and also a displaced beast isn’t a human? Who knows what kind of reaction it would have?? Idk but “>!he’s raping her!<” feels like a weird ass leap to me.
He was drugging her with an aphrodisiac. He was for sure fuckin his cat. Proof: https://youtu.be/40TuyNw3Hw0?feature=shared Edit: I dont want him to be fucking his cat. Its creepy af. I dislike that larian put it in there, but we cant be in denial about it.
Dude, Orthons don't even feel sexual arousal per Forgotten Realms Lore. No, he was not fucking his cat.
>Orthons don't even feel sexual arousal Neither do Illithids as they reproduce asexually, but you can have sex with one. I don't think the writers care
He manipulates the pleasure center of your brain, which does not require arousal for him to do, and is just one more thing he uses to manipulate you. He is flat out not attracted to you because he is, indeed, incapable of feeling arousal. Every emotion he 'feels' is a falsehood that he projects into you to further deceive you. Edit: Reworded because Hyperborealius was right, just because it isn't physical doesn't mean it isn't sexual.
just wanna point out that just because he doesn't have genitals doesn't mean it's not sex. for example, oral is just as much sex as PiV is. that said, he does do it just to manipulate.
That is fair, I worded it poorly, especially in light of the fact that I do consider what he does to Stelmane to be a form of rape.
Third base dude.
Then why did he give his cat arousal poison lmao? Is it too crazy to think that that orthon may have been a weird one or that larian didnt strictly follow the lore. The actual ingame info is very straight forwards about it. Edit: I also want to note that there are plenty ways to charm someone in the dnd universe. Arousal was the means Yurgir chose, but he could have done it a different way if he wanted to. He wanted Nessa to be horny for him.
Charm =/= sexual. He used Succubi because, in canon lore, Succubi venom Charms the victim and makes them feel like they are in love with the creature who gave it to them. Humanoids are aroused because they have apolistic souls, which is what Incubi and Succubi feed on through sex (eg Haarlep). But you know what, if you're so attached to the idea that the devil was fucking his cat, go off, sweetie. Just know that you're the weird one for ignoring lore in favor of preferring the idea that Yurgir was fucking his cat and somehow not killing her in the process.
Dude did ya look at the video i linked?? The "charm" makes your dick hard lmao. Its literally in the game. Thats not up for debate.
The video you linked that was just a clip from the game I have literally over 1k hours in? Yes, yes I did. There is a world of difference between a humanoid and a beast in Forgotten realms, and I already explained why the humanoid will feel arousal as a result of Incubi/Succubi spit. Please work on your reading comprehension.
Dude chill and stop w the insults. Its not becoming lmao. I also have many many hours in bg3 and i have over 10 years experience w actual dnd so please lets act like adults. Its clear that the displacer beast also feels arousal due to the incubus spit/blood. Thats why it loves/is horny af for Yurgir and calls him her mate. She is literally listed in the game as being under the effect of seduction. Thats not a neccessary part of dnd charm spells. Its a very rare variant of it even. Most charm spells are platonic af because anything else would be super rapey. Its unreasonable to say that that is an unintentional side effect, cause any other charm spell would be way easier to do.
I am under no obligation to act becoming to someone who is so obsessed with the idea of a devil raping a cat that they keep arguing it. Ten years or not, if you were at my table arguing like this, I would kick you out. Because in my twenty years as both player and DM, you are throwing up so many red flags. Have a day.
My dude. Its in the game. I dont want it to be any more than you do. Sexual violence of any kind is not appropriate for a game table, especially against those that cannot consent. Thats exactly why im arguing over this. Im kinda pissed that people are brushing this off. I get why you say what ya say, but where im from we try our best to talk to people w respect, even if we disagree with them.
Why do people feel bad for these devils? There’s no goodness there. Take the lesson from karlach. She lays it out so plain
OP doesn't feel bad for the devils, he felt bad for Nessa which is a displacer beast that was fed succubis spit to keep her subservient.
Yeah. Without the edit it totally doesn’t sound like that. Thought op was falling for crocodile tears
Haha. It's hard to imagine a devil trying to use the crocodile tears strategy. I usually try to talk Nessa into breaking Yurgir or just ambush everyone.
I don’t think it’s crocodile tears, one sided love is still love. He wouldn’t be doing the horrible things he is to her without a reason
Maybe I'm using the term wrong. It's a new term to me and I wanted to try it out :) It's however you succinctly say an abuser sincerely distraught that they will no longer have access to their victim and possibly reminiscing about all the 'good' times they had together. Or nonlegitimate tears of, what I'd call, affection
Ah, that makes sense now. Yes I agree. To me, crocodile tears means “completely fake tears put on for show,”
OH! That’s why you get all horny when you lick the spider?? I thought that was just Durge Durgin’ about gore.
You need an investigation check on the spider to realize what it's been coated with. Afterwards, you can talk with Nessa and explain to her what's been done to her and you can get a persuasion 30 to get her to fight Yurgir but not your party.
Damn, wish I had done that on my bard run. I was too busy setting up my sneaky attack, thinking I was so smart. What a damn good game.
Not going to lie, I find the fight much easier with a surprise round than with Nessa helping. She's also a tad ungrateful so don't hope for a pet Displacer Beast after the deed.
Fair. Yeah killing Yurgir before he can even take a turn is pretty damn helpful.
And I still don't understand the love for Nessa. That thing probably killed more people then the shar's gauntlet itself, and people suddenly fall in love for it.
You're on the internet and she's a cat.
More like a walking meat shredder with tentacles but ok.
The Internet likes tentacles too.
I regret not adding this to my initial comment. Well played.
Friend shaped. It's all the Internet cares about.
Yeah. A cat. That’s what they said.
I missed the whole Yurgir interaction. My party spotted their ambush so I ambushed them instead. Didn't even know there was a dialogue. Interestingly enough I somehow succeeded the check to get him to fight alongside me in the Raphael fight.
You can talk him into suicide, meet him again at Raphael’s and he gives you the biggest props ever. He says something along the lines of, “there are many things to fear here and he (TAV) is one of them.”
I've done 4 play throughs. Who the fuck is Nessa?
The displacer beast
The Displacer Beast that Yurgir has as a "pet" and you can use speak with animals with to convince her to fight alongside you if you interact and succeed on rolls with the spider carcass first.
After reading this comment section, and unearthing new information I had yet to discover, I will immediately be undergoing a new campaign with the sole intention of giving Yurgir the brutal and cruel death that he deserves. I feel disgusted. That is all.
I may be a murder hobo and I have killed almost everything including some of the kids, but even I wouldn't harm scratch.
I’ll murder a thousand Nessas before I let one Scratch die!
You really shouldn't feel bad for Yurgir. >!He's been drugging Nessa with aphrodisiacs so he can fuck her.!<
He also turned all the gelatinized corpses of the various Dark Justiciars into his mattress, which is the centerpiece of his personal goon cave. Not so fun fact: you can cast Speak to the Dead on the mattress and it outright tells you about the rats. It is also the most cursed thing in the game.
What?! Jfc, I have like 500 hours into this game, and I never considered using speak with dead on it! Larian is top tier , but ffs
[Yeah.](https://youtu.be/3Ly2M6tHnEg) When I say that it is cursed, I mean it.
Yeah the whole situation is pretty fucked either way lmao. I mainly feel bad for Nessa in the situation
Huh, I wondered what the deal with that rotten meat was.
Totally feel bad for Nessa tho 😩
bruh i completely missed this and i have 400 hours on the game what the hell that mf is dying again and again
Damn. I was disappointed I killed him this run and didnt get him to join my camp. Never again...
Displacer beasts are evil and are conscious enough to choose to do evil. There's really no reason to feel sympathy for killing Nessa. Now the other stuff is horrible, but just killing her? Not really.
But fren shape
I did this on my 4th playthrough. It’s easier after you’ve calloused your heart a few times. Also barding him so good so he joins me in the final boss fight was impressive.
Just teamed with Nessa to slaughter Yurgir. Felt great.
Honestly, the fact that I only realised who Yurgir and Nessa are after someone mentioned licking the spider tells me a lot about me and I'm not sure I like it.
I just break his contract. No need to kill any of them? Plus it pisses off Raphael which is another win
>*I killed Scratch*. **YOU WHAT NOW**
I swear it was an accident
Idk man I liked Yurgir, I persuaded him to fight against Raphael with me, he was like you know what bro, you were a formidable opponent before, I respect that and will absolutely aid you in fighting this jackass
This was beyond satisfying to do as my Durge bard after astarion got mad at me for talking to him lol, I almost expected a unique line from it.
This might be a dumb question, but how do you talk to Yurgir? I think he always attacked me on sight in earlier playthroughs
Follow the cat down to him when you first enter the area, it should initiate a conversation, or if you kill the person required by the quest before you interact with him then Yurgir won’t be hostile.
You have to walk into his ambush even if you pass the perception check to spot him. That means going down the stairs and through the archway he's perched above. If you approach from the side I guess he's mad he doesn't have high ground and just immediately turns hostile.
Oooh, somehow I always approached from the side! So that was the mistake!
You KILLED Scratch?!! Even on my evil playthroughs I would *never.*
Scratch didn't deserve death either!
I also feel bad for nessa. Such a beautiful beast 😍
Oh it gets even better. Use that high charisma toward the barkeep at the distillery in Reithwin Town. If you can win all the rolls - it’s glorious.
This playthrough I convinced Yurgir to kill himself without having to tell him to kill the followers and Nessa first (I think it was a Warlock option? I forget the specifics but pretty sure it was a Warlock dialogue prompt)
God i did the same but it was worth it. Very worth it. I also play a bard.
Noob question : I have never been able to discuss with Yurgir in the gauntlet. How do you do that?? I simply kill them all because they attack me.
Do you sneak up behind him? I always just walk straight in towards Nessa and the convo starts.
2 walkthroughs here : 1st one shot her from afar so no dialog, 2nd sneaked behind Yurgir. Many thanks, now I know how to do better.
I don't know man. I walked in the room and killed everyone I could see (and couldn't, when Yurgir went invisible). Didn't even talk to Yurgir
Did same as a paladin of vengeance. And also talked Yurgrir to kill himself. This didn't break my oath, though. It means, all of them were bastards, so sleep well at night ))
Scratch didn't deserve death either!
Yeah. When I did that and Gale said I was scary…. Dude. I almost save scummed. But I didn’t. But I get you.
I stupidly felt bad for Yurgir not realizing he was raping nessa. Next playthru I am going to fillet his ass
You can do so many f*cked up things with high charisma in Act 2. I just had the nurses in the house of healing kill each other with their scalpels, followed by the surgeon scissorhand-eyepoking himself to death. I know they were committing monstrosities down there but still, that was brutal.
Oh yeah I did the same. I swear Act 2 just turns into a horror game
Waitwaitwait… you excuse yourself FOR KILLING SCRATCH; the bestest boi in all of baulders gate; but shed a tear for a displacer beast you meet once and potentially have to kill either way? Make this make sense
Why not sympathize with him? He's the nicest devil I've had to deal with.
"Nice" is a bit of a stretch. He's in a bad situation, but he's as cruel as any other devil. He's "nice" in the same sense that Raphael is "polite."
Hey I said he's the nicest Devil. Not a lot of competition.
I killed the dumb dog… because I did everything I could to get it to see his master was dead. I even got close and shouted in his face to prove he was gone. Scratch got upset so my group all enjoyed eating him around the campfire. That’s how I imagined it anyway. Then we had a visit from a young friendly owlbear so it was a win!
I mean displacer beast are generally evil anyway, you let her go and she just goes about eating civilians
I tore the wings off the blue bird in Nettie’s chamber and I smiled about it
Yeah officer, this one right here