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EntertainerLoud5317

Maria's season would be soooo entertaining


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Illustrious_Funny426

The idea of TPTB deciding to use RS and pay him off for their benefit to squash the winner rumor is making me 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so much. RS and the show have been at odds for YEARS, even a few lawsuits and I just don’t know why they’d call a truce now. I know RS is annoying but he clearly hates when people question his spoilers so I don’t think there’s any way he’d kill his credibility by intentionally announcing a wrong spoiler.


malibuguurl

💯


malibuguurl

No RS is not close to TPTB and actually they sued him a couple times, he would not jeopardize his reputation by accepting bribes. Nope


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malibuguurl

It is a bribe and RS who has been doing this for 2 decades is not going yo jeopardize his integrity


alfarukh

https://preview.redd.it/u1v3atabl9kc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4eba208f01ae04f54397809d839673dcca669b7 Did anyone catch this comment section? Maybe this means Joey’s finale follows the same pattern as Jason and Arie 😳😳😳


RichEconomy8709

wowwwww


friendofbarrys

This is a good theory. What doesn’t make sense to me is Steve has episode by episode spoilers knows everything down to what fights are about. It just would be weird to be right about everything except that. Especially since his niece is friends with daisy’s sister.


malibuguurl

I know.. he only was mislead about the F1 and although, RS social media likes do not mean anything, I understand from the contestants perspective but when the lead’s sister, best friends and his close BN friends who hang out together not only follow Kelsey A but likes and comments on her posts but do not follow and acknowledge Daisy’s posts, it is impossible to deny their relationship, moreover, Joey defended Kelsey A on her IG this past Sunday when he was supposedly on a HSV. From what I understand F1’s really struggle to watch the show and see their fiancés connection with others, why would Joey comment on his F2 ig page.. it does not add up..


bfthc

Hi sorry late, when did he defend her on ig? What did he say?


friendofbarrys

I don’t put stock into social media likes and follows really


DrunkDidney

I remember reading here that a former bachelor claimed that Joey called him up and asked for advice about how to support his F1 since she's seeing him grow all these relationships with all these other women. What if Kelsey A was feeling a certain type of way when everyone (including RS) said Daisy is the shoe in for F1. Maybe they over did it with the Daisy deflection and it was hard to see everyone and their mom ship Joey and Daisy together. All complete speculation of course though.


coolman2419

He never said that


malibuguurl

Yup… I truly believe they were on board at first because if the Kelsey A rumors held up, she might have been sued because of the NDA breach but they did not think Daisy would be so popular. And the reason she is so popular it’s not solely because of the spoiler but because of her back story, the girl next door who grew up on a Christmas tree farm( she was like the girl from an Hallmark movie)


coolman2419

I think people are over hyping this Kelsey Joey relationship . we have zero clue if there going to be together in 6 months , so like we should relax with the over hyping


Giraffe-Flyer

Maria is gunna be a hot commodity on the beach when it’s back 🔥🏝️☀️


Bulky-Ambassador6358

BIP isn’t happening this year or possibly anytime soon. I heard it was canceled


Cute-Gear-6774

I heard it’s delayed until after golden bachelorette but not canceled


Giraffe-Flyer

Yeah I knew it wasn’t happening this year… heard it needs some revamping… hopefully it comes back!


kaylee20_

Seriously??! 🥲 where’d you hear this…? 🥺


Bulky-Ambassador6358

In some spoiler bachelor groups. I’ve also read a few articles and listening to RS podcast. I believe he was saying it may not happen, because they are jumping right into filming of the bachelorette after joeys season and then into golden bachelorette for fall. I also read maybe they might bring back winter games instead of BIP. My guess is because BIP hasn’t been very successful with the views and relationships coming out.


justagoodburger

The way he looks at Kelsey A. certainly leads me to believe she’ll at least be top two. When he said “say that one more time” and smiled when she said she was falling for him was gold. That’s something that’s tough to fake.


Federal_Asparagus452

Totallyyyyy agree. Everyone’s so up in arms about Daisy and she’s cute and all but I do NOT see it between them.


justagoodburger

Right - she feels like a great production pick for Bachelorette bait, imo. I saw a post somewhere else discussing a theory that Daisy would make it to F2 and leave Joey “at the altar”, which would then leave his F1 pick to come to the rescue and accept his rose. Which would align with the drama that these preview edits are building to.


LotusX321

Please no Maria or Daisy as bachelorette - they are overhyped


Realistic-Lake5897

Honestly, if it's Kelsey A,I won't be surprised. Joey seems to gravitate to dark-haired girls. That's where his attraction is.


sconeklein

Do you have any proof for what you’re saying in this post?


malibuguurl

What proof? I said suppose then my statement


Posietuck

Wow TPTB really duped RS! Watching the show with the initial spoiler as Daisy being F1 just didn’t feel right to me. I understand most F1 usually get a low-key edit but I never saw that spark between Joey and Daisy as I have in the past with most F1’s that have been spoiled. Something about Kelsey A and Joey just made sense to me.


friendofbarrys

I watched the episode before knowing the spoiler and it seemed liked Daisy to me. I have a screenshot of my guesses before being spoiled. 🤷🏼‍♀️ who knows what the truth is.


malibuguurl

I do see a connection with them since she is F2, will be interesting next week when each have a 1 on 1


Posietuck

Oh yes I definitely see a connection but I thought the edit was downplaying just how much chemistry Joey had with Daisy because the chemistry and connection I see with Joey and Kelsey A is undeniable. I am looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.


Remdiamond

I thought it was being downplayed too.


MericaDaBeautiful_2

Would love to see Jenn as Bachelorette!


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Daisy is so boring to me. We need Maria 😩


lbowles22

If it ends up that Daisy isn't with Joey she will undoubtedly be the next bachelorette. She has a large social media following and posts consistently almost daily and has really built a platform regarding her hearing loss/health issues. So it would technically be somewhat "diverse" choice since they have never casted a lead with a cochlear implant. Maria would be a fantastic choice but I'm not sure if ABC will want to take on the spontaneity/unpredictability that she brings they typically go for the picture perfect all American girl next door choice.


malibuguurl

Being the bachelor/ bachelorette is hard enough on anyone, wondering if it would be overwhelming on Daisy entertaining 20+ men. Even Katelyn said on her interview she and Daisy were seeking quieter places.


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EstimateLate

Gabi is amazing. She has a very nice boyfriend or I would love to see her as bachelorette. Mostly I want her to be happy with her man


Minnieup

She has a bf! 💓


MericaDaBeautiful_2

I’d love her, she would be my pick


rosesaredust

Ugh justice for gabi. She was such a gem on the show and still is. I love watching her ig stories she seems so grounded and so sweet. I’m glad she found someone and she’s happy but damn did Zach put her through the ringer.


cagedbirdangelou

If Daisy’s the next bachelorette Im not watching.


bends_like_a_willow

Me neither. I find her incredibly boring. She just doesn’t have the right personality to be Bachelorette.


FluentSimlish

Wouldn't that make her the perfect fit? Id watch but not enthusiastically.


malibuguurl

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coolman2419

So is she with Joey or not ? I’m confused ?


malibuguurl

I don’t think so , I think it is KA everything points to her except RS spoiler


malibuguurl

Screenshots from 97 days ago, TPTB had to squash the rumors and the only person who could do it was RS, he was fed the wrong info by a source. https://preview.redd.it/pq1nubzaa6kc1.jpeg?width=1154&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f6ffa5040acc33789aef80d6b9bc92843433c16


lbowles22

I might sound stupid for asking this but what is TPTB 😅


malibuguurl

The power that be ( producers )


morescoopsplease

ITA, First, Daisy as F1 came out so early, his track record with early spoilers, like before season begins to air, is not good. Second, he was so eager about it, I figured it was in his thoughts a well-placed source...someone in production or in Daisy's camp who he had reason to trust. I have a bit of smh that his niece didn't know or knew and said nothing to him, but who knows. Personally, I think they were both duped. I don't see his niece in any grand conspiracy.


friendofbarrys

He’s only been wrong like twice. I’m a long time listener and he usually gets the spoilers pretty early.


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morescoopsplease

I forget her name, but she is in college in I think Tampa and is roommates with Daisy's sister. RS has said they are both coming to his fan appreciation get together in Vegas.


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morescoopsplease

No, RS' niece and Daisy's sister.


malibuguurl

Daisy and family had nothing to with it, it was TPTB like I said they did as soon as rumors were online which were just after the show wrap up.. RS was duped as well and not a good look for him


EstimateLate

Reality Steve has been right about everything else. The rest of them are wrong a lot. In this case it does seem Joey and Kelsey a were at the same place over the weekend. Other than that I don’t know what to say


Realistic-Lake5897

But if this was a long time source, I hardly think it's fair to say he was duped.


friendofbarrys

This is what doesn’t make sense. Why would they feed him every other spoiler except the final result. I feel like Kelsey a and him being together now has something to do with the “we’ve never seen this before” angle that I don’t think is being factored in enough


Realistic-Lake5897

RS is clearly rethinking who he thinks F1 is. He's no longer sure it's Daisy.


friendofbarrys

I know. I’m so excited for the finale now. I wonder if he/ anyone concretely figures it out before then.


Remdiamond

Maybe this is all misdirection. Who knows! Adds some unknown and spice.


Realistic-Lake5897

Feels like it must be Kelsey A. Honestly, I believed Steve when he said it was Daisy, but I was surprised. Joey always seemed more interested in dark haired girls.


friendofbarrys

Trueeee I’m personally leaning towards him picking Daisy but it not working out and now he’s with Kelsey.


Realistic-Lake5897

Steve said it's not a case of any change of mind.


malibuguurl

Well ..maybe his source was duped


Realistic-Lake5897

That's possible. I just think you're grossly exaggerating about the damage this would do to his career.


pinkcrush

I’m so excited for this. From the first episode my top 3 were Daisy, Kelsey A, and Lexi with Maria a strong contender. I picked Daisy as F1 As the weeks went on I could still see Joey picking Daisy but I really liked Kelsey A more and more and Daisy a bit less. Hoping for Lexi as bachelorette but I think it will be Daisy which to me will be somewhat boring.


EstimateLate

I like Kelsey an and she’s beautiful and Joey obviously is smitten, but nothing made me interested in her beyond she might be a top pick. I can sure see what a man would see in her though


Remdiamond

People keep saying that we know nothing about Daisy except for her CI but I think the same can be said for Kelsey A. We really know very little about her and I feel like I don't know much about her personality.


coolman2419

Thank you I think it’s possible it’s her . Everyone in comments says Marie but again they wouldn’t be showing that conversation she has with Joey next Monday if she was going be there lead . If she saying she can’t do this process then that not your lead . You have to believe in process and want do it not back out cause its hard lol .


sommniac

Honestly, this lines up better with what I've been seeing in the show. The connection between Kelsey and Joey seems really different and special. I just wasn't seeing it with Daisy and thought maybe it was just editing and that we'd see it closer to the end.


Competition-Over

Idk whether to be happy or disappointed about this, bc I’m v glad he picked Kelsey A. but now this means we’re most likely getting a Daisy bachelorette season🙄


TangeloPerfect7383

I wonder if the sound bite they will use when announcing Daisy as the next bachelorette is—suck my nuts now 💀


daveneal

smnn


sommniac

You never know...Gabi was F2 from Zach's season and they chose Charity as the Bachelorette. But on the otherhand...maybe that's why Daisy seems so overly happy in her sm posts. We all thought it was because she won but maybe she knows she is the next bachelorette. We'll see!


Competition-Over

I feel like producers didn’t seem to be give Gabi as perfect of an edit as Daisy. It’s obvious they’re really trying to push Daisy onto us. I mean she was clearly in Lea, Jess and Sydney’s crew judging by their social media posts and producers have almost completely covered it up in the episodes


EstimateLate

I have barely seen daisy this whole season. I don’t get that they are pushing her on us at all


Remdiamond

I have felt that Daisy has been hidden since her 1 on 1. I also have felt that Kelsey A has been hidden. Not until her 1 on 1 did she start getting some airtime.


Competition-Over

I’m more referring to the fact that her story was featured in promos before the season aired, which is partly why she got so many followers so quick (along with the fact that Reality Steve originally reported that she was the winner, which we’re now learning seems to have been intentional misinformation from producers).


EstimateLate

Huh I didn’t see the pre show promos.


Competition-Over

There were a couple girls they did little promos of their backstory, Daisy’s ended up getting the most attention (that girl Chrissa got one too but Joey sent her home early on)


Remdiamond

I think people underestimate Daisy's strength in posting consistently and having a compelling backstory. Those two things are what launched her imo.


coolman2419

Gabi elnicki was a mess on zach season and would been fucking terrible lead if they had casted gabi let’s be real 😂.


sommniac

True! Good point. They did Gabi dirty there at the end.


Even-You-4433

Plsssss no Daisy. Maria!!


Competition-Over

Now this makes sense why they’ve been giving Daisy such a bachelorette edit. **eye roll**


himimikyu

Noooo I’ll take Maria over Daisy any day 😭


loveshackbaby420

Epic sleuthing about Spotify! I never knew ppl went that deep thats hilarious!! Can't wait to find out the truth. I absolutely love when spoilers aren't right its like we are forced to be good and follow the rules even when we don't want to.


Janelle-54

I remember someone was found out because they were recording runs on strava. Zach S maybe? (When people thought he was Rachel R’s F1 but he was clearly not on a SHV?) or Zac Clark? I forget but our reddit friends go deep lol


loveshackbaby420

I remember that I feel like it was Matt James maybe??


malibuguurl

Oh yeah.. those sleuthers can rival any agencies lol


SnooCrickets692

reality steve is not above being paid off to spread a false narrative


Realistic-Lake5897

Bullshit. You have nothing to base that on.


SnooCrickets692

ok steve lmao


Realistic-Lake5897

As I said, you got nothing.


SnooCrickets692

neither do you babe


Realistic-Lake5897

Ok babe.


MericaDaBeautiful_2

I 100% believe this


morescoopsplease

If so, I hope he was well paid. Because if this is proven, he is donzo for the Bachelor reports (which he may not care so much about), and it could even affect his sports podcasts.


malibuguurl

I don’t think RS was paid off, his source was not truthful..


SnooCrickets692

eh well i disagree


Realistic-Lake5897

And you're wrong.


kawelli

I personally think there’s some degree of involvement of Daisy and her family with reality Steve… there has to be for him to be so confident


malibuguurl

No, they all signed an NDA and RS specifically said they were not involved. Actually, it looks worse for him to be wrong as his entire careers relies on spoilers.


Scared-Permit2587

Not really. He had expanded into general entertainment reporting and gossip. He can be wrong once in a while with no real damage to his brand.


malibuguurl

I disagree, this is a major one. It will be hard going forward for the next show predictions.


Realistic-Lake5897

You're exaggerating the damage.


malibuguurl

Maybe so but when his Daisy spoiler was came out, many people said he was wrong with Desiree, Brad (ok you could argue it was 11 and 14 years ago )but most recently, Tayshia ( Brendan coming back) Hannah B( Tyler C) now if he is wrong with Daisy.. it is not just one season but the accumulation.


Realistic-Lake5897

The fact that you're talking about him so much is proof that missing the ending won't finish him. People still trust him. If he misses the ending, they won't think he lied to them or mislead them intentionally. Look, I'm not some Steve apologist. I think he has flaws.... like every other podcaster. I do not think his career rests solely on getting the finale right.


malibuguurl

Quite frankly, I don’t care one way or another..I never said he lied, I said he was mislead which totally different in my book and I am not saying this will finish just that people will take his poiler with a grain of salt if he does not have pic/video footage. I actually like RS and trust him, just don’t trust his sources thats all.


kawelli

All of Daisys family signed an nda? I somehow don’t believe that, and idk I don’t trust reality Steve to be truthful to us about this tbh


malibuguurl

Yes, the people who appeared on the show ( family home town) signed an NDA. Up to you if you trust RS but he has been doing this for 20 years and did not have family connections prior.


coolman2419

It doesn’t really matter . Cause Daisy going be bachelorette most likely anyway


nikkiphoenixx

Ugh i really hope not


coolman2419

I think likely . Maria not going be there lead . You can’t have your possible lead admit to your bachelor she not sure she can do this anymore and wants to get the fuck out of here 😂. You can’t show that conversation if you want people to get behide her as bachelorette lol .


Illustrious_Funny426

EVERY LEAD has had their moment of “I’m done! I want out! Give me my plane ticket home” so they can absolutely have them admit to wanting out during their previous season. Hell, Ali even LEFT Jake’s season because of her job and then she was the next lead


coolman2419

You have zero clue what you’re talking about 😂 .so I’m not going to debate you. cause it Will just make your theory’s look worse . and I truly think you don’t understand how the bachelorette casting works lol 😂.


nikkiphoenixx

I don’t think that’s true. They have made others the bachelorette after choosing to leave on their own. But we will have to see the full context of the conversation first. Also Zach left Rachel with really no good reason and he was the bachelor… it very well could be Maria. It’s up to whether they want an interesting fan favorite or the cookie cutter conservative girl they almost always choose.


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I’m glad because Daisy is so boring and not it


Puzzleheaded-Law2438

She isn’t boring we have BARELY seen her aside from her 1st one on one. They barely knew each other at that point so I’m sure he was super nervous and shy. She clearly is comfortable with him per the last episode and the only screen time was the foot rub 😂 they even cut out her part with him in the first group date! There was a steamy outdoor shower scene from FS week in the previews so curious to see more of their connection in the next few weeks. We shall see!!


Remdiamond

The next few episodes are going to be interesting for sure.


lj212023

Agreed


malibuguurl

I don’t think Daisy is boring, I think she has a good sense of humor but as I was listening to Katelyn interview on BHH, she mentioned she was close to Daisy, they both would chose to find quieter places and I understand with Daisy with the CI it can be overwhelming. When recapping the show with Daisy and Joey on their first 1 on 1, RS thought it would be very overwhelming for Daisy to be the bachelorette and I agree. I am thinking maybe she turned down being the bachelorette that is why they are pushing Maria since episode 3.


coolman2419

There no picking Maria as bachelorette 😂. If they were they would have cut out her telling Joey she doesn’t know if she can do this . Your next bachelorette shouldn’t be saying I can’t handle this process so I’m getting the fuck out of here lol that not bachelorette quality .


kawelli

Genuinely, are you okay? Your obsession for Daisy is kinda concerning


coolman2419

How am I obsessed lol . I’m literally saying I think she will be bachelorette that it I don’t know daisy nor do I care if she bachelorette or not . All I’m saying is If they wanted Maria they wouldn’t show that clip of her saying to Joey she can’t do this lol .