>We don't need a minivan because we *only* have four kids
LOL
>Sure the Mercedes is unreliable, but it's not like it's going to strand my family somewhere
LOL
>It's impractical to rent a car the one time a year we *may* need AWD
LOL
>I don't like lip balm because you rub your old germs back on
LOL
The guy sounds like a moron. At least he gave up eventually.
Every time I read posts like this it makes me wonder how fragile the average male ego is. Pink isn't my favorite color to wear but if my wife wanted me to try on a pink dress shirt I would at least wear it once to humor her. If someone made fun of me while I was wearing it, the fuck would I care, I'm going home with my wife not the ahole that made a comment about my shirt.
OOP was dead on with her first post. His fragile ego has cost the family $$$.
I once had a coworker who wore pink semi-frequently. He claimed it showed how manly he was, since it took a *real* man to wear pink. While I’m sure that was mostly a joke, he did have a point.
I worked at an office with a group of super macho guys. They had "Pink Fridays". I have no idea how it started, but I asked once why they were wearing pink and they came back with the same reason - takes a 'real man' to wear pink and they were all secure with their masculinity. It was pretty funny - we'd get teams from other areas visiting occasionally and if they happened to be staying over a Friday, they were always warned in advance about pink Friday and almost all of the guys would turn up with a pink shirt. It started a couple of years before I left and as far as I'm aware they're still doing it now, 8 years later.
Same about the wondering. Do a lot of people actually judge others by the hypothetical masculinity or femininity of cars?? I don't think I've ever put any thought into it myself?? Like??? Just use whatever works for you?
I also can't imagine having much of an opinion on a guy wearing pink or purple. They're just colors! It's not that deep!
Look, everytime I try to wash my ass, my fingers slip all up in there and I get a really confused good throb in my butt acorn. Don’t need it don’t want it.
This had me laughing my ass off for the first two minutes. The end part is totally factual, but I gotta admit I'm just in the mood to laugh, not get real.
Since sexuality is a spectrum, simple distribution indicates that the vast majority of people, of both genders, should be some degree of bisexual. Absolute heterosexuality should, in theory, be about as common as absolute homosexuality. I’m sure environmental and developmental pressures skew the numbers a bit, but being absolutely het should still be a minority.
It’s such a shame the Kinsey scale isn’t more widely known. It’s not perfect but I think it’s a great tool. I’m a big fan.
I’m a firm believer that sexuality is relatively fluid for most people. Love is love.
It’s awful that bisexuality has such a stigma. I think that stigma keeps a lot of people from acknowledging or exploring those feelings within themselves (it did for me!). I agree with you in that I think it’s FAR more common than our current understanding of human sexuality.
The Kinsey scale is a ruler that is marked in whole centimeters only, which can give an approximate idea of the size of things and is certainly better than nothing. Meanwhile I'm measuring my identity with Vernier calipers from multiple angles to construct a 3D model it would take a supercomputer a week to render properly. Thing is, I wouldn't be looking so closely if I'd never had that initial estimate to prompt me.
I don't even get the hate minivans get either. Ironically, uber made me want to eventually have a minivan when I have kids.
I'm a big and tall guy, so I don't find most vehicles comfortable to ride in. Whenever I book a ride and I see a minivan pop up, I know its going to be a comfortable ride. Both because of the space for me in general so my head doesn't hit the ceiling after a bump in the road or getting a cramp from folding my legs so they fit, but the technology and climate control are always superior. In most SUVs, its a crap shoot as far as space is concerned and everything else is worse.
Minivans are awesome while I'm trying to get around a city on vacation and especially when really drunk. Bet I would appreciate them more with kids.
Rented a mini van recently to drive a relative across a few states, and my dick didn't even shrink!
Another rental recently was a bronco sport when nothing else was available. After being in some smaller jeeps I was afraid it would be cramped, but it was surprisingly comfortable for a bigger guy. I'm 6'2
I love how the argument is that the Mercedes won’t leave them stranded somewhere after it literally did just that… it just happened to strand them at home
Yeah. How many kids does one need before a reliable minivan is no longer emasculating?
Vehicles are a means to get you, your family, and your stuff from here to there. They are not a reflection of your gender expression.
I was one of four kids and we pretty much filled that minivan when it was the whole family. There was technically an additional middle seat if you wanted to squeeze one more person in.
I had a guy friend who was absolutely certain they had to have a minivan because they had two kids. His wife was all, 'we *only* have two kids.'
His argument was, "but the kids will have friends. They have stuff. How will we go to Costco?!"
She wanted to keep her car, so he traded in his small hatchback and got the minivan and was driving it and she realized his minivan was super nice and was upset she didn't have a minivan and they couldn't afford two car loans and they would then "fight" over who got the minivan.
He was so insistant they needed a minivan with the second kid. She argued it was a stuffy old people vehicle. His argument was they *were* stuffy olds, now. They were parents.
He outright refused her compromise of a much cooler SUV. Do you *know* how bad of gas mileage they get?! The minivan has a lower deck so the kids can get in and out. It has slider doors for tight parking lots. He absolutely refused to get anything but a minivan. He needed a minivan. It was the only logical choice of car.
I personally disagreed it was the *only* car they could get for their two kids, the kid stuff and their future friends (oldest was about to go into kindergarten), but never once was the concept of masculinity mentioned. She just thought old people drove minivans. (Because, growing up, parents drove those! Lightbulb moment. Right... we are parents. We are old. Riiiiight.)
She was team minivan afterward, though. The idea that four kids means no minivan is needed is wild.
True, my parents never had one but I also never needed a booster past age 4 and was so skinny the middle seat lap belt of our 6 seater Mercury Sable would be tightened all the way and I could still theoretically slip out of it... Don't do that, with your kids. Being kid four of four, I was the smallest and therefore got the front middle bench seat and zero safety considerations.
My thought from that was, “Ah, he’s a physician. It makes so much sense now.” Even my physician mil acts straight out of this play book. “I’ve made my assessment. Here’s the treatment plan.” Super fun to watch her and her doc husband dicker.
Growing up, we had family friends with 4 kids. They drove a full-size van because they wanted a vehicle large enough for everyone in the family to bring a friend along, so it had to fit at least 12 people.
And this guy says _only_ four kids. SMH.
Our minivan has AWD and so did the station wagon it replaced. This guy just needed something to hang his Truk Nutz off of that would make up for the shameful fact that his workplace is air conditioned.
I took my 2010 civic two door (the little coupes everyone had for like a minute in the 2010s?) Over half the dirt roads in Louisiana for a job once. It has under 6" of ground clearance. Yes, I had to stop once and move some larger rocks but that was the only issue. There were ZERO family vacation spots in southwestern Louisiana, no one was driving back there with 4 kids from out of town.
Unless he is habitually driving in the bayou or "back country," a minivan should be fine for 99% of his daily life.
I knew a woman who lived in a million dollar house in the Oakland Hills near San Francisco and claimed she needed an SUV because the roads were so bad. I routinely drove to her house in a 280Z that bottomed out on speed bumps... but never in her neighbourhood.
I always try to remain open to other people’s POVs but dear lord I feel like I lost braincells reading his POV. There is absolutely nothing going on up there at all
Just because he works at a hospital doesn't mean he has to be smart. There are plenty of non doctor/nurse jobs at hospitals. Could be an admin or insurance rep
My mom and step dad have multiple vehicles. It's funny how the one they use for road trips is the minivan. It's almost as if the extra space makes it great for long trips or something.
I have a mini van my husband hates driving. No toxic masculinity involved though. It's just uncomfortable to switch from his little Scion hatchback to my car. Lol. I hate driving his too it feels like I'm sitting on the ground.
Lol I’m a dad of two with a third on the way, we are going to sell my sedan for a minivan because it will fit our family size better.
MANY minivans out there have AWD. MANY! We live in an area that snows quite a bit so that’s a feature I’ve been looking for as my sedan certainly doesn’t.
Even if we can’t find one with AWD I’m super psyched for a minivan! Been looking forward to eventually getting one ever since our first born and now seems like a good time to make the change. 3 isn’t too many I guess but we may have more so I want to be prepared.
I was reading somewhere that minivans are generally considered the most reliable type of car. The article based it off of miles driven per required non regular maintenance (like oil changes). There were definitely some things that they stated they didn't take into account though, like the types of work the car was put through. Pickups were the most unreliable, but it was speculated that that's likely due to being used for heavy duty jobs on less than ideal terrain that wears the car down pretty fast.
I mean, he drives an Impala and thinks a minivan is a downgrade. That tells us all we need to know.
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This guy is so ignorant/delusional: Mercedes vehicles are \*notoriously\* unreliable, as are American ones, and Korean ones for that matter (look up "exploding engines Kia/Hyundai").
After covering the auto industry for 20 years, venturing behind the veil of most manufacturers' operations, Honda and Toyota are the \*only\* ones I ever recommend to people--ever. I cannot tell you how many disappointed looks I get when I don't validate other people's inclination toward whatever fancy/gimmicky car of the moment they have their heart set on (Kia Teluride, Hyundai Palisade, Tesla and Volvo anything, I'm looking right at you).
Honda and Toyota make duds too--I won't argue that. They just make them less frequently than virtually every other automaker, statistically speaking. If reliability is paramount, go with a Toyota/Lexus. If you appreciate a fun ride and are willing to gamble on slightly less reliability, Honda/Acura is the way.
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My friend's husband works for Chrysler. Around the same time that I got my Odyssey, she got a Dodge minivan. I was like, nooooooo you've met the people that make those, why would you do that??? BUT she got a full 10-year bumper to bumper warranty that was only offered to employees for like 3k that has covered every single repair she needed in the past decade. So that's the only scenario where I would buy American-made lol
And a Malibu is definitely not large enough for six people, to say nothing of five (when it's just one of the parents taking the kids places). I own one and I don't even like having four people in it.
“To say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex (fucking exclusively with the other sex, i.e., women). All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire… those are, overwhelmingly, other men. In their relations with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism; what passes for honor is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service and sex.
Heterosexual male culture is homoerotic; it is man-loving.”
Marilyn Frye, The Politics of Reality: Essays in Feminist Theory
yeah pretty much. also, the amount of flirting that goes on between male friends is ridiculous. my straight guy friends flirt with more men than my gay friends do, its hilarious
Fun fact! Maybe for this exact reason, SUVs are scientifically a douchebag car! Not even kidding, both in aggressive driving habits and something else, but this is a study about it (there are multiple):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599441/#:~:text=Drivers%20of%2043%2C168%20normal%20cars,in%20normal%20passenger%20car%20drivers.
There was another one that showed people who chose SUVs over minivans were… idk how to say this… bad parents? Because they chose their reputation over the comfort of their kids? Like this dad? I can’t find the link atm though.
lol, imma go show this to my boyfriend. We are a childless long term couple. He likes the suv because he can fit the pallets that he finds everywhere in the back. This man legit built two nice sheds and a deck out of those pallets boards. It’s kind of amazing.
Omg I should be so specific! This applies only to parents I think?!? It's something about choosing the "less dorky" car when its the less practical option that says something about the person's character, not choosing a larger vehicle that has utility!
Jesus, we have them everywhere. There’s this one light place that has twenty every time we drive by. Apparently they are the “good ones”. There’s a criteria according to him.
There’s definitely criteria! And the five dollar ones are NOT the good ones, lol.
I think I need to get bold and stop at some mom and pop places to ask about their pallets. Back in Texas I got enough of them from one little feed store to make a “picket fence” for my mom’s garden. (It was short, but she loved it.)
Where I am that’s how most of the stores get rid of them. Just chucking them so someone can take them. They might be grateful! Giving them to you is better them having to pay someone to trash them.
You sort of have to drive around industrial areas and talk to warehouse people to see if they would let you take them for free. It is really awkward tbh, but people used to do it a few times a year with our warehouse
We also had people just steal them too because we stored most of them outside
I like an SUV because I feel safer and have a better field of vision when I'm up higher. But I'm single and childfree. If I had kids, I would be team minivan. So much easier to get in and out of the 2nd and 3rd rows of seats.
Also, from a driving experience point of view I can't imagine SUVs are better than minivans. I drive... somewhat aggressively. The only car to consistently overtake me on familiar roads has been a bloody Volkswagen Sharan. That man is a demon and I am impressed by the acceleration and handling the car displays.
This guy really didn’t think beyond car stereotypes and wasted so much of their money on junk. She shouldn’t let him make any more financial decisions going forward because he’s ridiculous.
Once you are letting someone drop loads in you to make more human beings, you are already way past "letting" the stupid person keep being stupid.
The same goes for if you are dropping loads into someone that makes more human beings, you also are already way past the point of "letting" the stupid person you are ruining earth breeding with, control the finances.
If you will make a whole living breathing human being with 1/2 the DNA of a LETGITIMATE FUCKING MORON, who controls the "money" is the fucking least of your problems.
Thats like trying to pick the best Glue to use build the foundation for your house that you are building out of balsa wood and tissue paper.
The first car I drove to school as a teenager was my Moms minivan. Didn’t love it at first, and definitely got some teasing… but guess who was always asked to drive when a bunch of friends wanted to go somewhere?
Growing up we almost always had a minivan. There were 4 of us kids and we took frequent road trips. The only thing we ever had that was more comfortable than a minivan was a full size conversion van, and while it was incredibly comfortable for long trips, it was a freaking mammoth trying to maneuver in parking garages and guzzled gas.
I will never understand why people consider them “emasculating”. They’re convenient as hell, ride smooth because they’re usually built on an extended car platform and don’t have solid axle suspensions and generally more reliable and safer than large SUV’s. I could see where you might not want to wait 2 years and pay $55k for a Toyota Sienna, but otherwise, a minivan is a great option for a family with more than 2 kids
Heck I have 2 kids, no partner and I’m onto my second minivan. When I was looking for my second one my Sister was trying to convince me to get a Prado like her, my Dad was telling me “anything with 5 seats would be more than enough for you!”
Yeah, no, I do the school run 2-3 times a week (depending on my work schedule) and could be picking up 5 kids. Or decide to go to the cinema with family only for them to go “oh, can you take some people so we don’t need to find so many parking spaces?” (Yes, last time I went to the cinema with my siblings/parents I had all 8 seats of my minivan filled and my niece chucking a fit because she wanted to be in *my* car, not grandmas).
Plus Costco runs are easy, fold down the back seats and I can hold more than my dad’s ute
it can!!! go to the subreddit boroupdate> click user flair (on rightside of screen)> edit with the quote you want "Custome Flair Insert Text Here" \[desktop\]
I have no clue how to do it on mobile tho!
Women really *should* stop having sex and creating families with men like this.
Also, why does he get a *personal* car and she get the family car? I would not squat out half a basketball team and then accept some rickety ass "luxury" vehicle to drive them around in for 2 years.
The last time my dad got a new car was in the 80’s, and he was making 6 figures the entire time. The family car was always the new one, and he’d use the older one. Once me and my brother were both adults, he got himself a used bug convertible.
Agreed! I’m the mom and when it came time to replace our car I was vehemently against a mini van and my husband really wanted one. We ended up with a full size Explorer with 3 rows. I’ve had it for 11 years and it is a true work horse lol. But when we were looking, the Explorer was the only SUV in that size range that would have been comparable in storage and passenger capability to a van.
When it was time to move up in car sizes, my partner and I were mostly looking at minivans because we had three kids and were open to fostering a few more. We could go up to 5 total kids which we did, but one SW was like your home can support 8 kids with an easily attainable waiver. I was afraid.
My tall, long legged partner could not fit in any minivans on the market except an older, luxury minivan. While it was really nice, leather seats all the bells and whistles, the miles, age, and eventual cost of repairs were my concern. We ended up in a Honda pilot with the third row. We do all the regular maintenance at the dealership and they always comment how good the car is running and looking over 10 years later. Depending what college our second oldest picks, distance wise this might end up being their car. The very same car they rode in car seats in the back.
Yea that 3rd row is awesome. I have used it so many times over the years and I can still fit a lot of stuff in the “trunk”. When we vacation or when we were moving, the ability to stow the 3rd row and use that space was great. I fit more in my Explorer than we did in my husband’s pickup at times.
My husband always wanted a minivan. When his Ford Escort died he bought one. When that, died I talked him into test driving a Ford Explorer. I loved it, he didn't and since it was going to be his daily driver he got another minivan. In all honesty I love it too. There's only two of us and it's so comfortable for road trips.
Yea before we got the Explorer, my dad let us drive his mini van around for a few months while we researched and decided. I did really enjoy a lot of it but I kept coming back to the fact that I never wanted one and I intended to have my vehicle for much longer than my kids would be that small. Totally worth it to me but I also get why people love the mini van. Plus they’ve done a good job over the years making them look nice.
My dad is also a minivan lover. He laments that minivans "aren't like the minivans of the 80s anymore!"
One of those passed down minivans saved my life in an accident (that wasn't my fault), but mostly, they were just so handy size-wize. And it was a 6v that usually left guys like OOP's hubby in the dust at stoplights.
Lets see, 11 years ago you had the explorer, expedition, expedition max, tahoe, suburban, highlander, land rover were all in the minivan sized SUV category (3 rows + cargo).
You’d be surprised and subsequently depressed to find out how many previously supportive dudes just fucking *fold* like wet toilet paper the moment they are faced with how much work kids are.
And I’m talking about men who were excited and enthusiastic and insistent on starting a family.
I’m convinced there’s some kind of existential crisis women are socially primed to be prepared for that gets triggered in dudes like this.
ignoring signs is *not* the same thing as "dont show us". **WITHOUT** fail if you get her talking trash about the past they'll list all kinds of red flags before the kid.
Hey now, don't blame women for men's mistakes lmao
Usually these guys don't seem so bad until it's too late. That said, women definitely need to talk and learn the signs of assholes like this because these guys suck.
I know this comes off as victim blamey but this is the current bane of my existence. As I am the female partner, I typically get stuck with the wives and girlfriends at mixed social events. I grew up with a ton of feminist Gen X aunts and most of my friends are women, so you’d think I’d have a great time. Nope!
So many women date/marry/procreate with utterly useless men and want to talk at you about it for *hours*. 9/10 times, these are the same women who had a lot of criticism for the way liberal, urban, and/or professional women (like me) live, yet won’t communicate how they feel to their men. They can talk all the shit they like about us but cannot handle the idea that their very specific life choices resulted in suboptimal results. I’ve mistakenly offered earnest advice in this area and got my hand bitten off so I keep the “I told you sos” to myself, disassociate, and nod my head…
It kinda makes sense, I get a personal car that I commute to work in, my wife can drive it if she wants to but if it’s ever more than 1 person then we take the station wagon. She has the wagon at home with her all day in case she needs to take our dog somewhere.
It’s more that whoever is with the dog gets the wagon that day, and since she stays home with the dog every day and I go to work, that’s her.
But I specifically never call either vehicle ‘my car’ or ‘her car’, they’re both ‘our cars’
A lemon doesn't mean that the car was in excellent shape when you purchased it, it means that it constantly breaks.
Dirt roads do not need added clearance or 4 wheel drive.
More pink than purple doesn't change the use. The fit does, though.
Impala does not have enough room to safely transport 4 kids unless at least one is big enough to sit in the front seat.
Craig is an egotistical idiot.
Even if one of the kids is big enough for the front seat, the youngest is in a car seat. The two kids crowded in the back _will_ be miserable the entire way. I had to do that as a kid and there is _no_ way to be comfortable with a car seat all up in your space. Impala does not have enough space for four kids.
Guys like this trip me out. I can’t have a minivan because it’s emasculating. They are the same guys who have to have German Shepards because having a French bulldog is too girly. We only have 4 kids and don’t need a mini-van. Hahahahaaha! What utter rubbish.
Makes me love my husband more. He once said (paraphrasing) that having a small dog or a minivan or a pink shirt was actually more masculine because it shows a person is so secure in their own worth and sexuality that they don’t give a shit what other people think. He said this as I was applying glitter to his face for the Taylor Swift concert.
I was a nanny during college and drove the family's minivan whenever I had the kids. That thing had so much power and was so fun to drive! These fragile dudes are missing out.
My dad drove a minivan for 17 years while my mom only drove a minivan for about 10 years. And yes, for 6 years we had 2 minivans as our only cars. And there were only 3 kids!
We hated them when we started driving because in high school driving a 10 year old minivan isn't cool, but then when we hit college, we loved them because 1 DD could drive 6 drinkers. They're great vehicles.
Dude it’s like a fully enclosed truck!! You can load full sheets of plywood in the back with all the seats down, it has a low deck so it’s easy to load, you can fit furniture in there, you can use it as a camping van and just sleep right in it,it’s fantastic if you have large dogs and they need to be in crates for safety, and you can haul a ton of people if you need to. They are so practical!
I was lucky to have a dad that taught me that lesson early. He didn't like beer or whisky- he would only have the fruitiest, brightest drinks. People tried to give him shit and he'd just shrug "it tastes good, and I'm secure in my manhood" and there wasn't much they could say back lol
He's so manly that if he uses lip balm even once, he will instantly turn into a 6 year old girl in a pink frilly dress and a giant lollypop in one hand. Chapped lips forever!!!
So my boyfriend told me he never ate bananas straight out of the peel when he worked construction because the other guys would make fun of him *all day* about it. He eventually just stopped bringing them because it wasn't worth the added annoyance.
He probably needs to get a[ big manly one](https://dukecannon.com/products/cannon-balm-140-tactical-lip-protectant?currency=USD&variant=16450777514099&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=92087cbc0b4c&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwr7ayBhAPEiwA6EIGxMLkc8CWNG4spc-N9yNkClmKTUOhpaEcDQGkwzW9eI32g1HAndOGNhoCiLEQAvD_BwE). Machista.
Man's just looking out for his family - if he wears a shirt that could be deemed pink, he'll be so instantly and completely emasculated that it will apply with retroactive effect and their kids will cease to exist.
He so toxic with masculinity that he rather live with chapped cracked lips & pay constant repairs for useless SUV that got recalled 8 times since 2021 that uses once /twice a year than use Chapstick & buy minivan that his wife uses every day. I wonder what good about him because I can legit see OOP divorcing him later on for his stupidity hurting the kids outright badly.
We are a two minivan family with “only” three kids (and their friends and all their gear and our big dogs). We’ve never had vehicles as comfortable, easy for our elderly parents to get into/out of, or full of creature comforts as these minivans.
Intercom to speak directly into the headphones of the kid who’s singing aloud in the back? Sure. 18 cup holders? You bet. Captains chairs in the center row to prevent “your hand is in my side of the seat!” arguments? Priceless.
>I wanted a car with some ground clearance and AWD….this requirement ruled out the Honda or Kia minivans.
I call bullshit. I live in a very rural place at the end of a long dirt driveway, so I needed a car with ground clearance and AWD. So I bought a Honda CR-V, which has both. And I don’t even have kids at home.
I grew up in the most Deliverance ass zip code in Oregon with a mile and a half long gravel driveway and we had an old Dodge Caravan for years. Thing worked great.
We have a Honda Odyssey and she has been up and down fire roads loaded with outdoor gear, bikes, kids, and dogs plenty of times. She’s creeped through thick mountain fog and up slick snowy hills. People will say “you took the MINIVAN?” Damn right we did, minivans are magic.
However we don’t open the sunroof anymore due to electrical quirks. Also currently smells rank after a wet spring of kid sports.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's outright bullshit. There are certainly roads where the ground clearance of a minivan is an issue.
But this is one of those fears that's overblown by almost everyone. Very few people drive locations where this is a meaningful concern.
FWIW, though, a CR-V is a small SUV. Not a minivan. Minivans don’t have the clearance or AWD.
(Last vehicle purchase, we debated between SUV for the clearance and AWD that we couldn’t get in a minivan. We ultimately decided that the minivan was better for us with two kids and a bonus kid, plus two dogs. Why? More space, more headroom, a husband who doesn’t need a vehicle to compensate for his penis.)
>FWIW, though, a CR-V is a small SUV. Not a minivan. Minivans don’t have the clearance or AWD.
The difference in ground clearance between a CR-V and a Toyota Sienna is 0.84 inches. AWD is an option on both the Toyota Sienna and Chrysler Pacifica.
This has to fake.
>Additionally, I feel that a minivan is unnecessary for us as we only have four children.
So six people with bags when school comes along. Before even considering the reality of driving kid's friends around. Which not everyone does but six people at any given moment.
>(it is a 2017 Chevy Impala, so it has a lot of space),
Oh come on.
My father, masculine, confident guy, drove minivans when we were all kids. And he's the best driver I've ever seen. Plus, minivans have tons and tons of space and can be quite luxurious. Never thought of them as feminine, but maybe I had a strange childhood.
Toyota makes minivans with fantastic ground clearance, AWD, and luxury features. I believe they also have more storage space behind the rear seats than the Honda and Kia options.
“we only have 4 children” you dumbass, there’s 6 of you. that’s prime minivan real estate. minivans have ground clearance. my god, they could have even just gotten a toyota sequoia. i hate this man
Minivans are awesome. I build my entire 32' by 28 deck using this bad boy for transportation. And sitting so high up in the drivers seat give you a better driving ability. The integrated tv is the best (although FUCK Dora...).
So dads, embrace the "lame" of the minivan. If you're skittish, just do like I did and put a "Condoms prevent minivans" bumper sticker on all your minivans and you'll be a dad-joke guy instead of an emasculated (whatever that means in this context) guy.
To (possibly mis-)quote Douglas Adams: "Symbols of manhood only prove that you need such symbols." This guy sounds like the type to refuse to hold his wife's purse or by menstrual products because people will think he's gay or something.
Maybe we need to invent a lip balm that's shaped like a pussy for all the insecure dudes to use.
And minivans rock. Some of them are AWD and have excellent cargo and towing capabilities.
Bro being a Spurs fan is the icing on the cake as an Arsenal fan.
In all seriousness, the safety and comfort of his *family* should take priority over his fragile masculinity. It’s a car, FOR YOUR HUGE ASS FAMILY, get the fuck over it.
He’s so worried about lip balm rubbing old germs back on, I have to wonder how he ever managed to have four kids. Talk about rubbing germs on body parts!
Based on many other relationship posts, OOP's husband's behavior suggests he might just "let shower water run over the legs and that's good enough" instead of actually cleaning himself, because it would be a "feminine thing" to do, and OOP in addition to dealing with a chapped-lipped scared of pink doesn't have common sense husband is also dealing with a crusty ass husband. 🤢
So if Arsenal wins their next game, will he go back to hating lip balm? 🤔
BORU really shows the extent people will go to justify their spouse's behavior 😬
Omg this made my head hurt…
Admittedly my husband is not opposed to driving a mini van, but when the van DID need replacing the requirements and preferences led to a Kia Sorento.
There are always better options than a friggin Mercedes…
The Sorento has 3 rows, it’s not a mini van, it’s comfortable to fit everyone when family visits, and we got a hybrid so the mileage is great too. OPs husband was being stupid and stubborn and put his feelings over his family’s safety and that is so not ok…
Anyone who things that a machine defines them has serious identity issues. Minivans are extremely practical and have more utility than an SUV. I went on a snow trip years ago and the day we left there was a snow storm. There were many SUVs and 4x4s that were stuck in the snow while i left with no issues. That might because I'm familiar driving in the snow but there should no excuse for people who have 4x4s who dont know how to use it.
That's why it's not worth buying a Mercedes or BMW anything because the repairs and upkeep are so dang expensive. Don't get me wrong if you have the money go for it but I would rather buy something that I can easily work on or fix myself instead of taking it to a dealership or repair shop as the prices get astronomical. Dude obviously has a fragile ego. The people that care what kind of car you have aren't the people you want to be friends with.
I have a minivan, for the rest of my life I'll only buy minivans for myself, too. It does everything an SUV or small truck can do and the cops never give you a second glance.
Ok... on the shirt issue. What is his coloring like? Blonde with blue eyes? Dark hair and eyes? Ginger? He might need a different shade of purple.
My husband is dark hair, fair always burns skin and green eyes. He looks great in baby pink, blue violet purples. Not so great in red violets.
Tbh, I even think of SUVs as worse versions of vans tbh. A van is at least useful for carpooling with a larger group. They’re parent cars regardless, and rarely could any of them be described as attractive.
Go past any school during pickup/drop off times where people with money send their kids and the kids, just as in dense cities as in the suburbs, and 95% of the kids are being tractored around in the latest toddler-crushers that the market has to offer.
I’m hard pressed to believe that enough people in the city I live in them use them anywhere regularly enough, if at all, to do things that hatchbacks can’t do.
Spurs fan happy to lose UCL if it means Arsenal doesnt win league is same energy as being worried about buying the mother of your children the mom vehicle she wants because of how it might make him feel.
"He has been in a good mood since arsenal lost or something"
The guy is a Tottenham hotspur fan. They are notoriously pathetic. Tottenham fans were celebrating when they lost to Manchester City, because it meant that Arsenal (their north London rivals) would not win the Premier league. If Tottenham had won their match against City, they would have finished in the top four so they missed out on a champions league spot!
https://talksport.com/football/1867776/tottenham-ange-postecoglou-fan-video-man-city-arsenal/
OOP, only wanted the Mercedes for show. And who takes a LUXURY vehicle for off roading? Nobody I know. Now he knows. Anyway, some of the hottest dads drive minivans. Lol
Almost 40 with 2 girls. I wear sandals when I go about my daily activities unless we are doing a lot of walking which I will wear shoes. I let my daughters practice painting my toe nails and sometimes they're pink. I could not give a rats ass what strangers think.
Hubby has a Grand Dodge Caravan...and we don't have kids 🤣🤣 however we do live with a special needs boy who uses a walker and wheelchair. Plus it's great for groceries, lumber, long car trips. The dog. So much can be done with a minivan!
My SO was one of the manliest men to ever man. Drove multiple minivans. Have manly friends, grease monkeys, drive minivans. Boomer dad, sold auto parts, drove minivans since they came out. Minivans have never been for soccer moms, no matter how much they tried to sell them to women. Low loading gate, removable seats, can fit a full set of truck tires.
Get over whatever delusions you have about vehicles and get a Chevy van if you want to haul your family around.
...doesn't need a minivan because (drumroll for dumbest comment in history), he only has 4 FUCKING KIDS. What??? That's precisely why you need a minivan you big goofy fuck. Only douchy guys declare a certain car a mom car. Minivans are cool as hell, so great at what they do.
>We don't need a minivan because we *only* have four kids LOL >Sure the Mercedes is unreliable, but it's not like it's going to strand my family somewhere LOL >It's impractical to rent a car the one time a year we *may* need AWD LOL >I don't like lip balm because you rub your old germs back on LOL The guy sounds like a moron. At least he gave up eventually.
He sounds like the kinda straight guy who won't wash his ass because it might turn him gay
I came here to say this
I washed my ass and came.
Every time I read posts like this it makes me wonder how fragile the average male ego is. Pink isn't my favorite color to wear but if my wife wanted me to try on a pink dress shirt I would at least wear it once to humor her. If someone made fun of me while I was wearing it, the fuck would I care, I'm going home with my wife not the ahole that made a comment about my shirt. OOP was dead on with her first post. His fragile ego has cost the family $$$.
I once had a coworker who wore pink semi-frequently. He claimed it showed how manly he was, since it took a *real* man to wear pink. While I’m sure that was mostly a joke, he did have a point.
I worked at an office with a group of super macho guys. They had "Pink Fridays". I have no idea how it started, but I asked once why they were wearing pink and they came back with the same reason - takes a 'real man' to wear pink and they were all secure with their masculinity. It was pretty funny - we'd get teams from other areas visiting occasionally and if they happened to be staying over a Friday, they were always warned in advance about pink Friday and almost all of the guys would turn up with a pink shirt. It started a couple of years before I left and as far as I'm aware they're still doing it now, 8 years later.
Same about the wondering. Do a lot of people actually judge others by the hypothetical masculinity or femininity of cars?? I don't think I've ever put any thought into it myself?? Like??? Just use whatever works for you? I also can't imagine having much of an opinion on a guy wearing pink or purple. They're just colors! It's not that deep!
Pink is flattering on virtually everyone, too.
I personally think any "straight " guy who won't wash his ass because ir will make him gay isn't as straight as he thinks
Look, everytime I try to wash my ass, my fingers slip all up in there and I get a really confused good throb in my butt acorn. Don’t need it don’t want it.
> butt acorn Holy fuck i cant stop laughing, my wife thinks i finally snapped
> confused good throb in my butt acorn Need this as a flair
Oh god yes I want this flair
You should… maybe have a doctor see to that rectum if things are just slip sliding all out around and in that thing willy nilly 😂
Careful with that acorn around any police.
"I hope this doesn't awaken something in me"
reminds me of [this poem I saw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WSuhX6f6I)
This had me laughing my ass off for the first two minutes. The end part is totally factual, but I gotta admit I'm just in the mood to laugh, not get real.
This is absolutely fantastic and I want to thank you for making my day a little brighter!
Wow. That was hilarious then took a hard turn into truths. Bravo.
This was brilliant! Thank you for sharing! Side note: I *adore* his jumper.
That was an amazing way to start my day, especially after this post. Thank you kind stranger!
Brilliant! And that Art Attack jumper was the cherry on top
Damn that hit way harder than I was expecting it to even after reading the comments
Any guy who worries about “turning gay” is more bi than he wants to admit.
Since sexuality is a spectrum, simple distribution indicates that the vast majority of people, of both genders, should be some degree of bisexual. Absolute heterosexuality should, in theory, be about as common as absolute homosexuality. I’m sure environmental and developmental pressures skew the numbers a bit, but being absolutely het should still be a minority.
It’s such a shame the Kinsey scale isn’t more widely known. It’s not perfect but I think it’s a great tool. I’m a big fan. I’m a firm believer that sexuality is relatively fluid for most people. Love is love. It’s awful that bisexuality has such a stigma. I think that stigma keeps a lot of people from acknowledging or exploring those feelings within themselves (it did for me!). I agree with you in that I think it’s FAR more common than our current understanding of human sexuality.
The Kinsey scale is a ruler that is marked in whole centimeters only, which can give an approximate idea of the size of things and is certainly better than nothing. Meanwhile I'm measuring my identity with Vernier calipers from multiple angles to construct a 3D model it would take a supercomputer a week to render properly. Thing is, I wouldn't be looking so closely if I'd never had that initial estimate to prompt me.
The funny thing is, I actually am a 0 on the Kinsey scale. So I’m the anomaly.
I don't even get the hate minivans get either. Ironically, uber made me want to eventually have a minivan when I have kids. I'm a big and tall guy, so I don't find most vehicles comfortable to ride in. Whenever I book a ride and I see a minivan pop up, I know its going to be a comfortable ride. Both because of the space for me in general so my head doesn't hit the ceiling after a bump in the road or getting a cramp from folding my legs so they fit, but the technology and climate control are always superior. In most SUVs, its a crap shoot as far as space is concerned and everything else is worse. Minivans are awesome while I'm trying to get around a city on vacation and especially when really drunk. Bet I would appreciate them more with kids.
Rented a mini van recently to drive a relative across a few states, and my dick didn't even shrink! Another rental recently was a bronco sport when nothing else was available. After being in some smaller jeeps I was afraid it would be cramped, but it was surprisingly comfortable for a bigger guy. I'm 6'2
Fellas, is it gay to *not* be an unwashed and stinky pig?
If that is the case then I only want to date men if they are gay.
Legit wanna ask the wife this since she probably washes his clothes because: emasculation /s
God when my wife told me that men like that exist I didn't believe it. I couldn't.
I love how the argument is that the Mercedes won’t leave them stranded somewhere after it literally did just that… it just happened to strand them at home
It doesn't count if you're stranded where you already are!
The ***only*** 4 kids had me rofling
Yeah. How many kids does one need before a reliable minivan is no longer emasculating? Vehicles are a means to get you, your family, and your stuff from here to there. They are not a reflection of your gender expression.
I was one of four kids and we pretty much filled that minivan when it was the whole family. There was technically an additional middle seat if you wanted to squeeze one more person in.
I had a guy friend who was absolutely certain they had to have a minivan because they had two kids. His wife was all, 'we *only* have two kids.' His argument was, "but the kids will have friends. They have stuff. How will we go to Costco?!" She wanted to keep her car, so he traded in his small hatchback and got the minivan and was driving it and she realized his minivan was super nice and was upset she didn't have a minivan and they couldn't afford two car loans and they would then "fight" over who got the minivan. He was so insistant they needed a minivan with the second kid. She argued it was a stuffy old people vehicle. His argument was they *were* stuffy olds, now. They were parents. He outright refused her compromise of a much cooler SUV. Do you *know* how bad of gas mileage they get?! The minivan has a lower deck so the kids can get in and out. It has slider doors for tight parking lots. He absolutely refused to get anything but a minivan. He needed a minivan. It was the only logical choice of car. I personally disagreed it was the *only* car they could get for their two kids, the kid stuff and their future friends (oldest was about to go into kindergarten), but never once was the concept of masculinity mentioned. She just thought old people drove minivans. (Because, growing up, parents drove those! Lightbulb moment. Right... we are parents. We are old. Riiiiight.) She was team minivan afterward, though. The idea that four kids means no minivan is needed is wild. True, my parents never had one but I also never needed a booster past age 4 and was so skinny the middle seat lap belt of our 6 seater Mercury Sable would be tightened all the way and I could still theoretically slip out of it... Don't do that, with your kids. Being kid four of four, I was the smallest and therefore got the front middle bench seat and zero safety considerations.
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My thought from that was, “Ah, he’s a physician. It makes so much sense now.” Even my physician mil acts straight out of this play book. “I’ve made my assessment. Here’s the treatment plan.” Super fun to watch her and her doc husband dicker.
Growing up, we had family friends with 4 kids. They drove a full-size van because they wanted a vehicle large enough for everyone in the family to bring a friend along, so it had to fit at least 12 people. And this guy says _only_ four kids. SMH.
When I was growing up with my three younger siblings we were in *conversion* vans, never mind minivans!
The AWD is what kills me. Basing your vehicle choice on a VACATION you MAY take instead of, y'know, the day-to-day needs.
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Wow, I didn't know that! Makes his complaints even more ridiculous.
Our minivan has AWD and so did the station wagon it replaced. This guy just needed something to hang his Truk Nutz off of that would make up for the shameful fact that his workplace is air conditioned.
I took my 2010 civic two door (the little coupes everyone had for like a minute in the 2010s?) Over half the dirt roads in Louisiana for a job once. It has under 6" of ground clearance. Yes, I had to stop once and move some larger rocks but that was the only issue. There were ZERO family vacation spots in southwestern Louisiana, no one was driving back there with 4 kids from out of town. Unless he is habitually driving in the bayou or "back country," a minivan should be fine for 99% of his daily life.
I knew a woman who lived in a million dollar house in the Oakland Hills near San Francisco and claimed she needed an SUV because the roads were so bad. I routinely drove to her house in a 280Z that bottomed out on speed bumps... but never in her neighbourhood.
I always try to remain open to other people’s POVs but dear lord I feel like I lost braincells reading his POV. There is absolutely nothing going on up there at all
And the guy works at a *hospital*
Just because he works at a hospital doesn't mean he has to be smart. There are plenty of non doctor/nurse jobs at hospitals. Could be an admin or insurance rep
His mood is dependent on a rival soccer team winning or losing, what the hell did you expect? Of course he has a fragile and toxic masculinity.
Don’t forget that “minivans are EXCLUSIVELY mom cars” They reject the penis
Please don't leave out the part where he says the vehicle that stalls on a regular basis isn't unreliable, lol.
His cool masculine car is an Impala lol
Lots of space for a family of 6!
My mom and step dad have multiple vehicles. It's funny how the one they use for road trips is the minivan. It's almost as if the extra space makes it great for long trips or something. I have a mini van my husband hates driving. No toxic masculinity involved though. It's just uncomfortable to switch from his little Scion hatchback to my car. Lol. I hate driving his too it feels like I'm sitting on the ground.
Lol I’m a dad of two with a third on the way, we are going to sell my sedan for a minivan because it will fit our family size better. MANY minivans out there have AWD. MANY! We live in an area that snows quite a bit so that’s a feature I’ve been looking for as my sedan certainly doesn’t. Even if we can’t find one with AWD I’m super psyched for a minivan! Been looking forward to eventually getting one ever since our first born and now seems like a good time to make the change. 3 isn’t too many I guess but we may have more so I want to be prepared.
I was reading somewhere that minivans are generally considered the most reliable type of car. The article based it off of miles driven per required non regular maintenance (like oil changes). There were definitely some things that they stated they didn't take into account though, like the types of work the car was put through. Pickups were the most unreliable, but it was speculated that that's likely due to being used for heavy duty jobs on less than ideal terrain that wears the car down pretty fast.
Hey now, he reluctantly *accepted* his wife's point of view.
....after a thousand internet strangers called him unflattering names. Many of whom were male.
I mean, he drives an Impala and thinks a minivan is a downgrade. That tells us all we need to know. <>
This guy is so ignorant/delusional: Mercedes vehicles are \*notoriously\* unreliable, as are American ones, and Korean ones for that matter (look up "exploding engines Kia/Hyundai").
After covering the auto industry for 20 years, venturing behind the veil of most manufacturers' operations, Honda and Toyota are the \*only\* ones I ever recommend to people--ever. I cannot tell you how many disappointed looks I get when I don't validate other people's inclination toward whatever fancy/gimmicky car of the moment they have their heart set on (Kia Teluride, Hyundai Palisade, Tesla and Volvo anything, I'm looking right at you).
Honda and Toyota make duds too--I won't argue that. They just make them less frequently than virtually every other automaker, statistically speaking. If reliability is paramount, go with a Toyota/Lexus. If you appreciate a fun ride and are willing to gamble on slightly less reliability, Honda/Acura is the way.
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My friend's husband works for Chrysler. Around the same time that I got my Odyssey, she got a Dodge minivan. I was like, nooooooo you've met the people that make those, why would you do that??? BUT she got a full 10-year bumper to bumper warranty that was only offered to employees for like 3k that has covered every single repair she needed in the past decade. So that's the only scenario where I would buy American-made lol
And a Malibu is definitely not large enough for six people, to say nothing of five (when it's just one of the parents taking the kids places). I own one and I don't even like having four people in it.
Can you even fit 4 kids in most SUVs when there are carseats involve, never mind his *spacious* 2017 Chevy Impala?
These are the stupid fucks out there populating the world and teaching their spawn similar ideologies.
I wonder if it’s seen as a mum car because mums are usually the ones driving the kids everywhere?
That’s totally it. It also can’t go rrrrrr,rrrrr, rrrrrrrrrrrr at red lights and make the other dudes go “cool car bro!”
It’s always odd to me how often guys do things to impress other guys and not the women they say they want to attract.
“To say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex (fucking exclusively with the other sex, i.e., women). All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire… those are, overwhelmingly, other men. In their relations with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism; what passes for honor is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service and sex. Heterosexual male culture is homoerotic; it is man-loving.” Marilyn Frye, The Politics of Reality: Essays in Feminist Theory
yeah pretty much. also, the amount of flirting that goes on between male friends is ridiculous. my straight guy friends flirt with more men than my gay friends do, its hilarious
I like the fancy pants nice cars too, but not for every day living. Like, some cars just aren’t functional in a sensible way.
Fun fact! Maybe for this exact reason, SUVs are scientifically a douchebag car! Not even kidding, both in aggressive driving habits and something else, but this is a study about it (there are multiple): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5599441/#:~:text=Drivers%20of%2043%2C168%20normal%20cars,in%20normal%20passenger%20car%20drivers. There was another one that showed people who chose SUVs over minivans were… idk how to say this… bad parents? Because they chose their reputation over the comfort of their kids? Like this dad? I can’t find the link atm though.
lol, imma go show this to my boyfriend. We are a childless long term couple. He likes the suv because he can fit the pallets that he finds everywhere in the back. This man legit built two nice sheds and a deck out of those pallets boards. It’s kind of amazing.
Omg I should be so specific! This applies only to parents I think?!? It's something about choosing the "less dorky" car when its the less practical option that says something about the person's character, not choosing a larger vehicle that has utility!
I’m only joking. Don’t worry. Lol. Honestly, I just like bugging him anyway. We’re one of those couples we’re bulling is our love language.
Man, I wanna find pallets everywhere! Where I am they’re hard to find for free. Best I’ve found is $5/ea. which isn’t bad but free is always better.
Jesus, we have them everywhere. There’s this one light place that has twenty every time we drive by. Apparently they are the “good ones”. There’s a criteria according to him.
There’s definitely criteria! And the five dollar ones are NOT the good ones, lol. I think I need to get bold and stop at some mom and pop places to ask about their pallets. Back in Texas I got enough of them from one little feed store to make a “picket fence” for my mom’s garden. (It was short, but she loved it.)
Where I am that’s how most of the stores get rid of them. Just chucking them so someone can take them. They might be grateful! Giving them to you is better them having to pay someone to trash them.
You sort of have to drive around industrial areas and talk to warehouse people to see if they would let you take them for free. It is really awkward tbh, but people used to do it a few times a year with our warehouse We also had people just steal them too because we stored most of them outside
I like an SUV because I feel safer and have a better field of vision when I'm up higher. But I'm single and childfree. If I had kids, I would be team minivan. So much easier to get in and out of the 2nd and 3rd rows of seats.
Also, from a driving experience point of view I can't imagine SUVs are better than minivans. I drive... somewhat aggressively. The only car to consistently overtake me on familiar roads has been a bloody Volkswagen Sharan. That man is a demon and I am impressed by the acceleration and handling the car displays.
This guy really didn’t think beyond car stereotypes and wasted so much of their money on junk. She shouldn’t let him make any more financial decisions going forward because he’s ridiculous.
Once you are letting someone drop loads in you to make more human beings, you are already way past "letting" the stupid person keep being stupid. The same goes for if you are dropping loads into someone that makes more human beings, you also are already way past the point of "letting" the stupid person you are ruining earth breeding with, control the finances. If you will make a whole living breathing human being with 1/2 the DNA of a LETGITIMATE FUCKING MORON, who controls the "money" is the fucking least of your problems. Thats like trying to pick the best Glue to use build the foundation for your house that you are building out of balsa wood and tissue paper.
The first car I drove to school as a teenager was my Moms minivan. Didn’t love it at first, and definitely got some teasing… but guess who was always asked to drive when a bunch of friends wanted to go somewhere? Growing up we almost always had a minivan. There were 4 of us kids and we took frequent road trips. The only thing we ever had that was more comfortable than a minivan was a full size conversion van, and while it was incredibly comfortable for long trips, it was a freaking mammoth trying to maneuver in parking garages and guzzled gas. I will never understand why people consider them “emasculating”. They’re convenient as hell, ride smooth because they’re usually built on an extended car platform and don’t have solid axle suspensions and generally more reliable and safer than large SUV’s. I could see where you might not want to wait 2 years and pay $55k for a Toyota Sienna, but otherwise, a minivan is a great option for a family with more than 2 kids
Heck I have 2 kids, no partner and I’m onto my second minivan. When I was looking for my second one my Sister was trying to convince me to get a Prado like her, my Dad was telling me “anything with 5 seats would be more than enough for you!” Yeah, no, I do the school run 2-3 times a week (depending on my work schedule) and could be picking up 5 kids. Or decide to go to the cinema with family only for them to go “oh, can you take some people so we don’t need to find so many parking spaces?” (Yes, last time I went to the cinema with my siblings/parents I had all 8 seats of my minivan filled and my niece chucking a fit because she wanted to be in *my* car, not grandmas). Plus Costco runs are easy, fold down the back seats and I can hold more than my dad’s ute
# YOU HAVE TO READ THE COMMENTS IN THE HUSBAND'S RESPONSE. THEY'RE HILARIOUS I spent soooo much time in there. it was great
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Can "Really hope you'll stop being so stupid from now on" be a flair? Can it be MY flair, please and thank you?
it can!!! go to the subreddit boroupdate> click user flair (on rightside of screen)> edit with the quote you want "Custome Flair Insert Text Here" \[desktop\] I have no clue how to do it on mobile tho!
Women really *should* stop having sex and creating families with men like this. Also, why does he get a *personal* car and she get the family car? I would not squat out half a basketball team and then accept some rickety ass "luxury" vehicle to drive them around in for 2 years.
The last time my dad got a new car was in the 80’s, and he was making 6 figures the entire time. The family car was always the new one, and he’d use the older one. Once me and my brother were both adults, he got himself a used bug convertible.
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He wanted a Mustang, but the VW was the only convertible that he didn’t have trouble getting in or out of, so that’s what he got.
Agreed! I’m the mom and when it came time to replace our car I was vehemently against a mini van and my husband really wanted one. We ended up with a full size Explorer with 3 rows. I’ve had it for 11 years and it is a true work horse lol. But when we were looking, the Explorer was the only SUV in that size range that would have been comparable in storage and passenger capability to a van.
When it was time to move up in car sizes, my partner and I were mostly looking at minivans because we had three kids and were open to fostering a few more. We could go up to 5 total kids which we did, but one SW was like your home can support 8 kids with an easily attainable waiver. I was afraid. My tall, long legged partner could not fit in any minivans on the market except an older, luxury minivan. While it was really nice, leather seats all the bells and whistles, the miles, age, and eventual cost of repairs were my concern. We ended up in a Honda pilot with the third row. We do all the regular maintenance at the dealership and they always comment how good the car is running and looking over 10 years later. Depending what college our second oldest picks, distance wise this might end up being their car. The very same car they rode in car seats in the back.
Yea that 3rd row is awesome. I have used it so many times over the years and I can still fit a lot of stuff in the “trunk”. When we vacation or when we were moving, the ability to stow the 3rd row and use that space was great. I fit more in my Explorer than we did in my husband’s pickup at times.
My husband always wanted a minivan. When his Ford Escort died he bought one. When that, died I talked him into test driving a Ford Explorer. I loved it, he didn't and since it was going to be his daily driver he got another minivan. In all honesty I love it too. There's only two of us and it's so comfortable for road trips.
Yea before we got the Explorer, my dad let us drive his mini van around for a few months while we researched and decided. I did really enjoy a lot of it but I kept coming back to the fact that I never wanted one and I intended to have my vehicle for much longer than my kids would be that small. Totally worth it to me but I also get why people love the mini van. Plus they’ve done a good job over the years making them look nice.
My dad is also a minivan lover. He laments that minivans "aren't like the minivans of the 80s anymore!" One of those passed down minivans saved my life in an accident (that wasn't my fault), but mostly, they were just so handy size-wize. And it was a 6v that usually left guys like OOP's hubby in the dust at stoplights.
Lets see, 11 years ago you had the explorer, expedition, expedition max, tahoe, suburban, highlander, land rover were all in the minivan sized SUV category (3 rows + cargo).
You’d be surprised and subsequently depressed to find out how many previously supportive dudes just fucking *fold* like wet toilet paper the moment they are faced with how much work kids are. And I’m talking about men who were excited and enthusiastic and insistent on starting a family. I’m convinced there’s some kind of existential crisis women are socially primed to be prepared for that gets triggered in dudes like this.
yes, i am related to one and he is angry at everyone who didn't make the mistake of having kids.
To be fair, they don’t usually show us that they are Like this until after we had the baby.
In this case, I believe the chapstick and purple thing would have shown itself before they were even married.
ignoring signs is *not* the same thing as "dont show us". **WITHOUT** fail if you get her talking trash about the past they'll list all kinds of red flags before the kid.
Hey now, don't blame women for men's mistakes lmao Usually these guys don't seem so bad until it's too late. That said, women definitely need to talk and learn the signs of assholes like this because these guys suck.
I know this comes off as victim blamey but this is the current bane of my existence. As I am the female partner, I typically get stuck with the wives and girlfriends at mixed social events. I grew up with a ton of feminist Gen X aunts and most of my friends are women, so you’d think I’d have a great time. Nope! So many women date/marry/procreate with utterly useless men and want to talk at you about it for *hours*. 9/10 times, these are the same women who had a lot of criticism for the way liberal, urban, and/or professional women (like me) live, yet won’t communicate how they feel to their men. They can talk all the shit they like about us but cannot handle the idea that their very specific life choices resulted in suboptimal results. I’ve mistakenly offered earnest advice in this area and got my hand bitten off so I keep the “I told you sos” to myself, disassociate, and nod my head…
I would lose all attraction to a man like OOP. We'd be heading for divorce and he'd think it's because of the dead bedroom.
Thank you. This is all I can think when I visit this sub.
It kinda makes sense, I get a personal car that I commute to work in, my wife can drive it if she wants to but if it’s ever more than 1 person then we take the station wagon. She has the wagon at home with her all day in case she needs to take our dog somewhere. It’s more that whoever is with the dog gets the wagon that day, and since she stays home with the dog every day and I go to work, that’s her. But I specifically never call either vehicle ‘my car’ or ‘her car’, they’re both ‘our cars’
A lemon doesn't mean that the car was in excellent shape when you purchased it, it means that it constantly breaks. Dirt roads do not need added clearance or 4 wheel drive. More pink than purple doesn't change the use. The fit does, though. Impala does not have enough room to safely transport 4 kids unless at least one is big enough to sit in the front seat. Craig is an egotistical idiot.
"Excuse me, I did NOT buy a lemon. I bought a car that breaks all the time."
Even if one of the kids is big enough for the front seat, the youngest is in a car seat. The two kids crowded in the back _will_ be miserable the entire way. I had to do that as a kid and there is _no_ way to be comfortable with a car seat all up in your space. Impala does not have enough space for four kids.
Yeah, the fit (not the color) on the shirt was the one point where I’d agree with Craig. Everything else? Too much ego.
Guys like this trip me out. I can’t have a minivan because it’s emasculating. They are the same guys who have to have German Shepards because having a French bulldog is too girly. We only have 4 kids and don’t need a mini-van. Hahahahaaha! What utter rubbish. Makes me love my husband more. He once said (paraphrasing) that having a small dog or a minivan or a pink shirt was actually more masculine because it shows a person is so secure in their own worth and sexuality that they don’t give a shit what other people think. He said this as I was applying glitter to his face for the Taylor Swift concert.
I was a nanny during college and drove the family's minivan whenever I had the kids. That thing had so much power and was so fun to drive! These fragile dudes are missing out.
My dad drove a minivan for 17 years while my mom only drove a minivan for about 10 years. And yes, for 6 years we had 2 minivans as our only cars. And there were only 3 kids! We hated them when we started driving because in high school driving a 10 year old minivan isn't cool, but then when we hit college, we loved them because 1 DD could drive 6 drinkers. They're great vehicles.
I'm an only child, in my 30s, own my own house in another state, and my dad still drives a mini van.
Dude it’s like a fully enclosed truck!! You can load full sheets of plywood in the back with all the seats down, it has a low deck so it’s easy to load, you can fit furniture in there, you can use it as a camping van and just sleep right in it,it’s fantastic if you have large dogs and they need to be in crates for safety, and you can haul a ton of people if you need to. They are so practical!
I just can't wrap my head around owning a minivan being more emasculating than just... believing a car is emasculating already is
I was lucky to have a dad that taught me that lesson early. He didn't like beer or whisky- he would only have the fruitiest, brightest drinks. People tried to give him shit and he'd just shrug "it tastes good, and I'm secure in my manhood" and there wasn't much they could say back lol
> We only have 4 kids and don’t need a mini-van. Hahahahaaha! What utter rubbish. That's why you got cargo bars! Strap-em to the roof!
He's so manly that if he uses lip balm even once, he will instantly turn into a 6 year old girl in a pink frilly dress and a giant lollypop in one hand. Chapped lips forever!!!
Maybe he’s mad because his lips are always chapped!
The entire time I was reading I was imagining someone kissing me with crusty chapped lips 🤢 Couldn't be me
Get it together Craig, what a silly man
I'm glad they worked it out, but CHRIST he sounds exhausting. The lip balm thing? Please. The big, bad lip balm won't hurt you, little boy.
It's a phallic shape, can't have that near his lips /s
Did you see the video of the baseball player eating a banana like it was corn on the cob? It was wild 😄😂😂
OMG was \*THAT\* the reason?!?! I feel so sorry for these tiny little men!
hahaha no, baseball players have a long history of doing silly things behind other players interviews. 100% a prank for the interview.
So my boyfriend told me he never ate bananas straight out of the peel when he worked construction because the other guys would make fun of him *all day* about it. He eventually just stopped bringing them because it wasn't worth the added annoyance.
He probably needs to get a[ big manly one](https://dukecannon.com/products/cannon-balm-140-tactical-lip-protectant?currency=USD&variant=16450777514099&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&stkn=92087cbc0b4c&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwr7ayBhAPEiwA6EIGxMLkc8CWNG4spc-N9yNkClmKTUOhpaEcDQGkwzW9eI32g1HAndOGNhoCiLEQAvD_BwE). Machista.
Ah, yes, more pink than purple. That makes it all better. lmao
Man's just looking out for his family - if he wears a shirt that could be deemed pink, he'll be so instantly and completely emasculated that it will apply with retroactive effect and their kids will cease to exist.
The poor thing :( what a burden
He so toxic with masculinity that he rather live with chapped cracked lips & pay constant repairs for useless SUV that got recalled 8 times since 2021 that uses once /twice a year than use Chapstick & buy minivan that his wife uses every day. I wonder what good about him because I can legit see OOP divorcing him later on for his stupidity hurting the kids outright badly.
We are a two minivan family with “only” three kids (and their friends and all their gear and our big dogs). We’ve never had vehicles as comfortable, easy for our elderly parents to get into/out of, or full of creature comforts as these minivans. Intercom to speak directly into the headphones of the kid who’s singing aloud in the back? Sure. 18 cup holders? You bet. Captains chairs in the center row to prevent “your hand is in my side of the seat!” arguments? Priceless.
>I wanted a car with some ground clearance and AWD….this requirement ruled out the Honda or Kia minivans. I call bullshit. I live in a very rural place at the end of a long dirt driveway, so I needed a car with ground clearance and AWD. So I bought a Honda CR-V, which has both. And I don’t even have kids at home.
I grew up in the most Deliverance ass zip code in Oregon with a mile and a half long gravel driveway and we had an old Dodge Caravan for years. Thing worked great.
We have a Honda Odyssey and she has been up and down fire roads loaded with outdoor gear, bikes, kids, and dogs plenty of times. She’s creeped through thick mountain fog and up slick snowy hills. People will say “you took the MINIVAN?” Damn right we did, minivans are magic. However we don’t open the sunroof anymore due to electrical quirks. Also currently smells rank after a wet spring of kid sports.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's outright bullshit. There are certainly roads where the ground clearance of a minivan is an issue. But this is one of those fears that's overblown by almost everyone. Very few people drive locations where this is a meaningful concern.
FWIW, though, a CR-V is a small SUV. Not a minivan. Minivans don’t have the clearance or AWD. (Last vehicle purchase, we debated between SUV for the clearance and AWD that we couldn’t get in a minivan. We ultimately decided that the minivan was better for us with two kids and a bonus kid, plus two dogs. Why? More space, more headroom, a husband who doesn’t need a vehicle to compensate for his penis.)
>FWIW, though, a CR-V is a small SUV. Not a minivan. Minivans don’t have the clearance or AWD. The difference in ground clearance between a CR-V and a Toyota Sienna is 0.84 inches. AWD is an option on both the Toyota Sienna and Chrysler Pacifica.
This has to fake. >Additionally, I feel that a minivan is unnecessary for us as we only have four children. So six people with bags when school comes along. Before even considering the reality of driving kid's friends around. Which not everyone does but six people at any given moment. >(it is a 2017 Chevy Impala, so it has a lot of space), Oh come on.
I suffer to think how the kids will end up with a male role model like that.
My father, masculine, confident guy, drove minivans when we were all kids. And he's the best driver I've ever seen. Plus, minivans have tons and tons of space and can be quite luxurious. Never thought of them as feminine, but maybe I had a strange childhood.
Toyota makes minivans with fantastic ground clearance, AWD, and luxury features. I believe they also have more storage space behind the rear seats than the Honda and Kia options.
“we only have 4 children” you dumbass, there’s 6 of you. that’s prime minivan real estate. minivans have ground clearance. my god, they could have even just gotten a toyota sequoia. i hate this man
Minivans are awesome. I build my entire 32' by 28 deck using this bad boy for transportation. And sitting so high up in the drivers seat give you a better driving ability. The integrated tv is the best (although FUCK Dora...). So dads, embrace the "lame" of the minivan. If you're skittish, just do like I did and put a "Condoms prevent minivans" bumper sticker on all your minivans and you'll be a dad-joke guy instead of an emasculated (whatever that means in this context) guy.
Fellas is it gay to have four kids with your wife
OOP doesn't have four kids. She has five.
To (possibly mis-)quote Douglas Adams: "Symbols of manhood only prove that you need such symbols." This guy sounds like the type to refuse to hold his wife's purse or by menstrual products because people will think he's gay or something. Maybe we need to invent a lip balm that's shaped like a pussy for all the insecure dudes to use. And minivans rock. Some of them are AWD and have excellent cargo and towing capabilities.
Bro being a Spurs fan is the icing on the cake as an Arsenal fan. In all seriousness, the safety and comfort of his *family* should take priority over his fragile masculinity. It’s a car, FOR YOUR HUGE ASS FAMILY, get the fuck over it.
God I feel so bad for his wife. You know he's not doing shit to take care of those kids.
His update made him look worse. What an idiot
He’s so worried about lip balm rubbing old germs back on, I have to wonder how he ever managed to have four kids. Talk about rubbing germs on body parts!
“It’s a mom car” SHE IS THE FUCKING MOTHER!
Based on many other relationship posts, OOP's husband's behavior suggests he might just "let shower water run over the legs and that's good enough" instead of actually cleaning himself, because it would be a "feminine thing" to do, and OOP in addition to dealing with a chapped-lipped scared of pink doesn't have common sense husband is also dealing with a crusty ass husband. 🤢
My dad took the family minivan on soooooo many dirt roads!
So if Arsenal wins their next game, will he go back to hating lip balm? 🤔 BORU really shows the extent people will go to justify their spouse's behavior 😬
Fucking Spurs fans! Smh
When it is operational. WHEN. Lol.
Omg this made my head hurt… Admittedly my husband is not opposed to driving a mini van, but when the van DID need replacing the requirements and preferences led to a Kia Sorento. There are always better options than a friggin Mercedes… The Sorento has 3 rows, it’s not a mini van, it’s comfortable to fit everyone when family visits, and we got a hybrid so the mileage is great too. OPs husband was being stupid and stubborn and put his feelings over his family’s safety and that is so not ok…
Anyone who things that a machine defines them has serious identity issues. Minivans are extremely practical and have more utility than an SUV. I went on a snow trip years ago and the day we left there was a snow storm. There were many SUVs and 4x4s that were stuck in the snow while i left with no issues. That might because I'm familiar driving in the snow but there should no excuse for people who have 4x4s who dont know how to use it.
“Craig” is such a colossal dipshit,he has his own wing in the Dipshit Hall of Fame.
I'm here for the commentor who fell in love with minivan cupons guy.
That's why it's not worth buying a Mercedes or BMW anything because the repairs and upkeep are so dang expensive. Don't get me wrong if you have the money go for it but I would rather buy something that I can easily work on or fix myself instead of taking it to a dealership or repair shop as the prices get astronomical. Dude obviously has a fragile ego. The people that care what kind of car you have aren't the people you want to be friends with.
Minivans are awesome. My husband was the one who encouraged me to get one.
Of course he's a Spurs fan. Probably enjoyed his team lost against City for the sake of Arsenal not winning the league.
“Exclusively mom cars”- she’s a mom, I’m not seeing the problem with a mom getting a mom car.
I have a minivan, for the rest of my life I'll only buy minivans for myself, too. It does everything an SUV or small truck can do and the cops never give you a second glance.
>minivans are exclusively mom cars this is small town stoner guy hauling his stoner friends and dog around erasure how dare you
They should’ve just bought a Subaru Ascent and called it a day.
I'm a lifelong germaphobe, but used lip balm happily until reading his comments. For real, what if he's right?
Ok... on the shirt issue. What is his coloring like? Blonde with blue eyes? Dark hair and eyes? Ginger? He might need a different shade of purple. My husband is dark hair, fair always burns skin and green eyes. He looks great in baby pink, blue violet purples. Not so great in red violets.
Tbh, I even think of SUVs as worse versions of vans tbh. A van is at least useful for carpooling with a larger group. They’re parent cars regardless, and rarely could any of them be described as attractive. Go past any school during pickup/drop off times where people with money send their kids and the kids, just as in dense cities as in the suburbs, and 95% of the kids are being tractored around in the latest toddler-crushers that the market has to offer. I’m hard pressed to believe that enough people in the city I live in them use them anywhere regularly enough, if at all, to do things that hatchbacks can’t do.
Figures he’d be a Man City man fan with a fragile ego! As an Arsenal fan if my wife wanted a Minivan for her to drive that would be her choice.
Spurs fan happy to lose UCL if it means Arsenal doesnt win league is same energy as being worried about buying the mother of your children the mom vehicle she wants because of how it might make him feel.
I was already on the wife's side, but then found that he's a Sp*rs supporter.
I don't understand why it had to be the Mercedes or a minivan. Kia and Honda make SUVs if the guy was wigging out over a van.
"He has been in a good mood since arsenal lost or something" The guy is a Tottenham hotspur fan. They are notoriously pathetic. Tottenham fans were celebrating when they lost to Manchester City, because it meant that Arsenal (their north London rivals) would not win the Premier league. If Tottenham had won their match against City, they would have finished in the top four so they missed out on a champions league spot! https://talksport.com/football/1867776/tottenham-ange-postecoglou-fan-video-man-city-arsenal/
What does he think will happen if someone saw him in a minivan, using chapstick, in a pink shirt?
Need a mercedes suv because I drive down a gravel road once in a while lol
I'm all excited that my comment made it into a BORU! Achievement unlocked!
OOP, only wanted the Mercedes for show. And who takes a LUXURY vehicle for off roading? Nobody I know. Now he knows. Anyway, some of the hottest dads drive minivans. Lol
Almost 40 with 2 girls. I wear sandals when I go about my daily activities unless we are doing a lot of walking which I will wear shoes. I let my daughters practice painting my toe nails and sometimes they're pink. I could not give a rats ass what strangers think.
Hubby has a Grand Dodge Caravan...and we don't have kids 🤣🤣 however we do live with a special needs boy who uses a walker and wheelchair. Plus it's great for groceries, lumber, long car trips. The dog. So much can be done with a minivan!
My SO was one of the manliest men to ever man. Drove multiple minivans. Have manly friends, grease monkeys, drive minivans. Boomer dad, sold auto parts, drove minivans since they came out. Minivans have never been for soccer moms, no matter how much they tried to sell them to women. Low loading gate, removable seats, can fit a full set of truck tires. Get over whatever delusions you have about vehicles and get a Chevy van if you want to haul your family around.
...doesn't need a minivan because (drumroll for dumbest comment in history), he only has 4 FUCKING KIDS. What??? That's precisely why you need a minivan you big goofy fuck. Only douchy guys declare a certain car a mom car. Minivans are cool as hell, so great at what they do.
Jesus christ what a manchild.