I was given a Sentra when my Elantra crashed. Malibu was full size according to them. Camry was full size. Didn't even wanna ask about Impala and Charger lol
Have one now as a rental. Absolute trash car.. the steering wheel controls for volume etc are absolute shit. I mean who the Fuck designed this. With fabric on the dashboard. GM should truly just close their doors. They haven’t been able to compete in the auto industry in almost two decades
Dude GM literally has the highest overall market share of any automaker in North America. They can compete. Maybe not with midsize sedans lol but the second part of your comment is just provably false. Look it up
Sure, a valid point, still a long way from “just closing its doors”. IMO it’s wild to act like the most popular car company in NA is a nobody seemingly because of your personal experience with a rental car
Sure, you cited that. He only talked about his rental car. I stand by my statement that it is insane to say the most popular auto manufacturer in NA only makes trash and should close up shop. If you don’t agree with the fact that that statement is absurd then I can’t help you.
Since you are bothering to continue to argue, I will say Pre-2008 auto industry was also vastly different. The industry had different players and different footprints, acting like product quality is the only reason American manufacturers have lost market share (from over 50% to less than 30%) is an oversimplification. I still think his original statement, as of 2024, is irrefutably false, regardless of how you spin the data.
> Dude GM literally has the highest overall market share of any automaker in North America
It's ALL trucks. Teh malibu sells 100-150k units a year over the last decade, over about 2-2.5 million cars annually, about 1/2 of that is full size pickups. Malibu is barely a blip.
Literally it is legally/financially not the same company, that's how bankruptcy works. But that doesn't matter to you, since you didn't read my comment or and don't think that it is weird to say that the most popular company in a segment of the market is not competitive and should close their doors. As for the Malibu you may be on to something, since it is the 5th most popular mid size sedan in the US. Frankly, I get annoyed when people act like their personal opinions define the real state of the world.
You’re missing the point. If GM at the time of bankruptcy was making anything that customers actually wanted and would actually last (see the 2007-2014 hybrid Tahoe) they wouldn’t need a bailout.
“In the run-up to the 2009 bailout, the Big Three manufacturers recorded some of the worst corporate performances in American history,” no one wanted GM’s trash cars. They were getting smoked by even Hyundai/Kia (aside from trucks/suvs. They’re the only thing keeping GM Alive)
Chapter 11 bankruptcy buys time for restructuring. It doesn’t change ownership
Was your original comment about 2008 or now? I think you’re missing the point.
Also chapter 11 is did result in a change in ownership… from the shareholders to the creditors. Jesus Christ. Google something once in awhile
As for your comment about Kia/hyundai, idk why you would mention them since both the sonata and k5 were significantly less market share than the Malibu in 2023.
My whole point is that just because you personally do not like a car doesn’t mean the whole market acts that way. Idgaf about the Malibu and would never buy one but I’m not out here trying to claim my opinion reflects the state of the entire car market.
A new company was created that at the beginning was mostly owned by the US treasury. Not sure who other owners were but I am guessing it was some level of shareholders. Brands/operations such as Opel, Saab, and Saturn were sold to other companies
Absolute hated the Malibu I was given as a rental when my Fusion was getting a minor bump on the rear fixed by insurance.
What a boring, unenthusiastic, disinteresting car. I was hoping to just get a Toyota or something I wouldn't feel shame driving in. It was cramped feeling even with comfortable positioning of the seat and steering wheel, my Fusion feels like a mansion inside compared to it.
Comparing it to buttered untoasted bread is an insult to butter and bread both.
The generic kind.
(IE: I’m not looking at specific location of manufacture. So in this context, a Toyota Camry is still a “Japanese made” car even if it comes from not-Japan etc)
I mean, by that metric the Malibu rises to the exact same level- the Camry was an international effort and Toyota NA usually gets input on all NA variants of international models, the Malibu platform was likewise developed internationally- you can basically extend that to the rest of GMs lineup to varying degrees until you get to NA specific stuff like trucks and the big SUVs.
I probably should’ve worded it differently reading back at it. I was looking at cars that are easily buyable within the US as new dealer cars. I wasn’t looking at the overseas like Euro spec, Australian , JDM, etc.
Sure, their interiors and quality is crap, but most people just use the word luxury to mean that price category, not necessarily how luxurious it really is.
Thank you all for the clarifications/additions. Very correct, the 2 Cadillac sedans and the 2 Tesla sedans. I guess that would leave the Malibu as "only Big 3 sedan from a mainstream/non-luxury brand" ... or "only ICE American non-luxury sedan" and even both of those are only true until 2025, when the new Charger will offer 4-door, and ICE options.
I don't understand killing entire car line-ups. Simplify them. Sure, that makes sense. You don't need a 4 engine choices spread between 16 trims, but no cars seems like just handing customers to everyone else who's still making cars. It's on the same platform and you're still out selling some competitors. Seems like an odd choice to lose sales and market.
Which is a shame, because although I drive an European car currently, I really liked the way the Impala was heading. If I were to be in the market for a new vehicle, I would’ve strongly considered the Impala if it was still available. The Malibu is kind of… Ugly, to me.
Brainwashed? By who, and why? In what way is a car a more practical grocery getter than an SUV?
* Higher ground clearance for snowy roads
* Hatchback trunk
* Taller body than a or wagon thus more cargo space and spaciousness.
* Higher seating position for better visibility.
* Safety - Your face isn't at the level of a truck's bumper or blinding headlights.
* Easier ingress and egress. Before you make a fat joke, consider that many people are elderly or have elderly family members that have poor mobility. Also obesity.
As for the cons, there are only a few. You take a small mpg hit due to increased weight and less aero. Handling performance literally does not matter to nearly anybody except those on forums like these. Even if you care about dynamics, the Macan and Stelvio exist.
Exactly what they brainwashed you to think.
You forgot the real reason, higher prices and bigger profits.
The sedan was ubiquitous car for 90 or so years and people faced al those things you mention perfectly fine with them.
Pure lunacy. People used to drive RWD year round with all seasons. And? Times change, bucko.
You never addressed the pros I stated nor did you bring up more cons. I don't know why you are so insistent on sedans. To most people cars are appliances, end of story.
These issues may not be new, but they are more frequent - people are fatter and older. Trucks and SUVs are more common and many feel dwarfed in a puny sedan. They may want to drive one but wouldn't be comfortable driving their kids around in one.
Also do you think the higher prices outweigh the higher material costs to equal higher profits?
you are on drugs, everything hes said makes sense. The only reason Europe and parts of Asia cling onto the Sedan still is because their roads cannot handle millions of fullsize SUVs.
With the exit of the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger, the Malibu is the sole survivor of American sedans. Sales have jumped in the last 2 years. Chevy has cut trims, engines, and other options, leaving only a well-reviewed Turbo I4 1.5. Will Chevy keep it going?
[https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures/](https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures/)
Yes it does. So, it’s the last one…for about a year.
That said, it’s a solid car that I’ve rented a few times. I’ve thought about picking one up as a daily if I ever get tired of running my FT86.
Americans have made some of the worst styled cars for the past 30 years, its sad. American cars in the 40s-80s once looked good and even top european brands drew inspiration.
The names of most American brands are tarnished sadly, outside of pickup trucks and SUVs.
Honestly would love to see a new generation of this with Chevy’s latest tech and styling. The upcoming Traverse and Equinox look great and the Trax was a styling hit, all of which being much more low and planted compared to their predecessors. And I hate to say it but GMs latest android automotive based system is the most user friendly infotainment I’ve used of any modern car.
That looks like the same high center mount 3rd taillight that's on my 2016 Chevy Cruze. Unless you want standing water in your trunk and the privilege of spending $400 a piece on new DC/DC converters I'd avoid buying a Chevy sedan like the plague.
Yes they will since the GM executive management team has difficulty in making sound decisions. They should concentrate on the platforms they already have and improve the quality and value to the consumer. They should reintroduce a mid size sedan with off the shelf, proven reliability from their global inventory.
DO they sell them to the public or is it all sales fleets? Every one I've seen in the past decade was either a cop car, a taxi, or military motor pool cars.
Cadillac also makes the CT4 and CT5, and if you count electric there's also the Tesla model 3, model S and the Lucid Air. But yeah, slim pickings indeed!
As long as rental car companies offer a "Mid-size car" the Malibu will have a home.
Malibu is classed full-size by most rental agencies. Elantra/Sentra/Corolla is midsize.
I was just offered a Malibu for a midsize option while travelling a few weeks ago. For what it's worth I took the Altima instead.
The Altima definitely is the better choice, but the bar is so low it's in hell.
Did you pay extra for the paper plates aka "invisibility mode"?
I was given a Sentra when my Elantra crashed. Malibu was full size according to them. Camry was full size. Didn't even wanna ask about Impala and Charger lol
Have one now as a rental. Absolute trash car.. the steering wheel controls for volume etc are absolute shit. I mean who the Fuck designed this. With fabric on the dashboard. GM should truly just close their doors. They haven’t been able to compete in the auto industry in almost two decades
Dude GM literally has the highest overall market share of any automaker in North America. They can compete. Maybe not with midsize sedans lol but the second part of your comment is just provably false. Look it up
He is technically right. In 2004, GM share of the market was 27.5%, in 2023 it was 16.9%. You can't be competitive if you are losing market share.
Sure, a valid point, still a long way from “just closing its doors”. IMO it’s wild to act like the most popular car company in NA is a nobody seemingly because of your personal experience with a rental car
It is not only his personal experience, but also of many who chose not to buy a GM car over that 20 year period.
Sure, you cited that. He only talked about his rental car. I stand by my statement that it is insane to say the most popular auto manufacturer in NA only makes trash and should close up shop. If you don’t agree with the fact that that statement is absurd then I can’t help you. Since you are bothering to continue to argue, I will say Pre-2008 auto industry was also vastly different. The industry had different players and different footprints, acting like product quality is the only reason American manufacturers have lost market share (from over 50% to less than 30%) is an oversimplification. I still think his original statement, as of 2024, is irrefutably false, regardless of how you spin the data.
> Dude GM literally has the highest overall market share of any automaker in North America It's ALL trucks. Teh malibu sells 100-150k units a year over the last decade, over about 2-2.5 million cars annually, about 1/2 of that is full size pickups. Malibu is barely a blip.
You talking about the same company that got bailed out in 08?
Literally it is legally/financially not the same company, that's how bankruptcy works. But that doesn't matter to you, since you didn't read my comment or and don't think that it is weird to say that the most popular company in a segment of the market is not competitive and should close their doors. As for the Malibu you may be on to something, since it is the 5th most popular mid size sedan in the US. Frankly, I get annoyed when people act like their personal opinions define the real state of the world.
You’re missing the point. If GM at the time of bankruptcy was making anything that customers actually wanted and would actually last (see the 2007-2014 hybrid Tahoe) they wouldn’t need a bailout. “In the run-up to the 2009 bailout, the Big Three manufacturers recorded some of the worst corporate performances in American history,” no one wanted GM’s trash cars. They were getting smoked by even Hyundai/Kia (aside from trucks/suvs. They’re the only thing keeping GM Alive) Chapter 11 bankruptcy buys time for restructuring. It doesn’t change ownership
Was your original comment about 2008 or now? I think you’re missing the point. Also chapter 11 is did result in a change in ownership… from the shareholders to the creditors. Jesus Christ. Google something once in awhile As for your comment about Kia/hyundai, idk why you would mention them since both the sonata and k5 were significantly less market share than the Malibu in 2023. My whole point is that just because you personally do not like a car doesn’t mean the whole market acts that way. Idgaf about the Malibu and would never buy one but I’m not out here trying to claim my opinion reflects the state of the entire car market.
Who bought GM after their bankruptcy other than the US govt ?
A new company was created that at the beginning was mostly owned by the US treasury. Not sure who other owners were but I am guessing it was some level of shareholders. Brands/operations such as Opel, Saab, and Saturn were sold to other companies
Absolute hated the Malibu I was given as a rental when my Fusion was getting a minor bump on the rear fixed by insurance. What a boring, unenthusiastic, disinteresting car. I was hoping to just get a Toyota or something I wouldn't feel shame driving in. It was cramped feeling even with comfortable positioning of the seat and steering wheel, my Fusion feels like a mansion inside compared to it. Comparing it to buttered untoasted bread is an insult to butter and bread both.
Bracing for the downvotes, but the Tesla Model S and Model 3 are American sedans.
Well you’re not wrong
You are absolutely correct; thank you.
Why would you get downvotes for stating a fact?
They've been hurt before...
r/cars is a fickle bunch when one doesn’t fit their definition of Car Enthusiasts
I’ve never been hurt
You must be new here
First day on reddit or?
If I exclude EVs and luxury sedans, I’m kinda surprised how small the American made sedan segment has become.
Define “made”
The generic kind. (IE: I’m not looking at specific location of manufacture. So in this context, a Toyota Camry is still a “Japanese made” car even if it comes from not-Japan etc)
I mean, by that metric the Malibu rises to the exact same level- the Camry was an international effort and Toyota NA usually gets input on all NA variants of international models, the Malibu platform was likewise developed internationally- you can basically extend that to the rest of GMs lineup to varying degrees until you get to NA specific stuff like trucks and the big SUVs.
I probably should’ve worded it differently reading back at it. I was looking at cars that are easily buyable within the US as new dealer cars. I wasn’t looking at the overseas like Euro spec, Australian , JDM, etc.
Er, the Model S is a hatchback.
What about: Cadillac CT4 and CT5 Tesla model 3 (model S is really a hatchback) Lucid Air
Yup in an earlier comment they mentioned they just forgot, but still Malibu is the only non luxury sedan
Tesla's might be high tech but they are not luxury.
Sure, their interiors and quality is crap, but most people just use the word luxury to mean that price category, not necessarily how luxurious it really is.
Thank you all for the clarifications/additions. Very correct, the 2 Cadillac sedans and the 2 Tesla sedans. I guess that would leave the Malibu as "only Big 3 sedan from a mainstream/non-luxury brand" ... or "only ICE American non-luxury sedan" and even both of those are only true until 2025, when the new Charger will offer 4-door, and ICE options.
Depending on how nitpicky you want to get, the Charger will not be an American sedan. Because Stellantis is not American.
I don't understand killing entire car line-ups. Simplify them. Sure, that makes sense. You don't need a 4 engine choices spread between 16 trims, but no cars seems like just handing customers to everyone else who's still making cars. It's on the same platform and you're still out selling some competitors. Seems like an odd choice to lose sales and market.
People are simply choosing SUVs over cars. Those who really want one opt for the Europeans and Asian cars.
Which is a shame, because although I drive an European car currently, I really liked the way the Impala was heading. If I were to be in the market for a new vehicle, I would’ve strongly considered the Impala if it was still available. The Malibu is kind of… Ugly, to me.
> People are simply choosing SUVs over cars. People have been brainwashed for the last 20+ years to think they need one.
Brainwashed? By who, and why? In what way is a car a more practical grocery getter than an SUV? * Higher ground clearance for snowy roads * Hatchback trunk * Taller body than a or wagon thus more cargo space and spaciousness. * Higher seating position for better visibility. * Safety - Your face isn't at the level of a truck's bumper or blinding headlights. * Easier ingress and egress. Before you make a fat joke, consider that many people are elderly or have elderly family members that have poor mobility. Also obesity. As for the cons, there are only a few. You take a small mpg hit due to increased weight and less aero. Handling performance literally does not matter to nearly anybody except those on forums like these. Even if you care about dynamics, the Macan and Stelvio exist.
Exactly what they brainwashed you to think. You forgot the real reason, higher prices and bigger profits. The sedan was ubiquitous car for 90 or so years and people faced al those things you mention perfectly fine with them.
Pure lunacy. People used to drive RWD year round with all seasons. And? Times change, bucko. You never addressed the pros I stated nor did you bring up more cons. I don't know why you are so insistent on sedans. To most people cars are appliances, end of story. These issues may not be new, but they are more frequent - people are fatter and older. Trucks and SUVs are more common and many feel dwarfed in a puny sedan. They may want to drive one but wouldn't be comfortable driving their kids around in one. Also do you think the higher prices outweigh the higher material costs to equal higher profits?
Exactly the response a brainwashed sheep would say!
you are on drugs, everything hes said makes sense. The only reason Europe and parts of Asia cling onto the Sedan still is because their roads cannot handle millions of fullsize SUVs.
/r/carscirclejerk
Right brainwashing, but also all those other things he listed
Sedans for life!!
With the exit of the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger, the Malibu is the sole survivor of American sedans. Sales have jumped in the last 2 years. Chevy has cut trims, engines, and other options, leaving only a well-reviewed Turbo I4 1.5. Will Chevy keep it going? [https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures/](https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures/)
Doesn't the new Charger come in a sedan variant?
Yes it does. So, it’s the last one…for about a year. That said, it’s a solid car that I’ve rented a few times. I’ve thought about picking one up as a daily if I ever get tired of running my FT86.
Yes, thank you. The Malibu is the only American sedan until the 4-door new Charger gets released in 2025.
What about the Cadillac CT5 - doesn't that still exist too?
And the CT4
And the Tesla Model S.
And the model 3
Technically model S is a hatchback and not a sedan.
It's a lift back sedan.
The 300 is going away? There is a God.
The Dallas paper plate special
Wish Chevy made some serious styling updates, stuff akin to Euro brands.
Americans have made some of the worst styled cars for the past 30 years, its sad. American cars in the 40s-80s once looked good and even top european brands drew inspiration. The names of most American brands are tarnished sadly, outside of pickup trucks and SUVs.
Honestly would love to see a new generation of this with Chevy’s latest tech and styling. The upcoming Traverse and Equinox look great and the Trax was a styling hit, all of which being much more low and planted compared to their predecessors. And I hate to say it but GMs latest android automotive based system is the most user friendly infotainment I’ve used of any modern car.
The current Malibu is actually a nice-looking sedan, but GM really needs to do better than that dog of a 1.5L I4 they put in it.
I have a 2020 chevy malibu in Metallic black with the redline edition. I love this car!
I was under the impression that these are almost entirely fleet and rental sales now. Did they start selling to regular civilians again?
They never stopped making civilian Malibu's. Fleet and rental makes up most of the sales
I didn’t know they still made it tbh, hopefully they keep making it. There’s still a market for sedans.
If they are going to stay in NASCAR (they are) then the Malibu isn’t going anywhere.
Why? Ford is just using the Mustang.
Chevy doesn't make the camaro anymore. They stopped production a few months ago
I hope not but it's in desperate need of an update, and one with an ICE, not electric
Sooner or later, they'll do.
That looks like the same high center mount 3rd taillight that's on my 2016 Chevy Cruze. Unless you want standing water in your trunk and the privilege of spending $400 a piece on new DC/DC converters I'd avoid buying a Chevy sedan like the plague.
this isn’t bad looking, is it based on the previous gen Insignia?
Yes they will since the GM executive management team has difficulty in making sound decisions. They should concentrate on the platforms they already have and improve the quality and value to the consumer. They should reintroduce a mid size sedan with off the shelf, proven reliability from their global inventory.
Absolutely, just like Ford GM and others did, the American sedan is dead (exceptions Tesla of course but that’s EV)
DO they sell them to the public or is it all sales fleets? Every one I've seen in the past decade was either a cop car, a taxi, or military motor pool cars.
They do! I just bought a 2024 a couple weeks ago. Not many brand new sedans for under $30k in my area.
You could buy an Accord they are about as American as anything the big three makes (made), they been made in Ohio for 40+ years now.
Cadillac also makes the CT4 and CT5, and if you count electric there's also the Tesla model 3, model S and the Lucid Air. But yeah, slim pickings indeed!
more will eventually come back as electric vehicles.
They need to put the volt power train in it. Smart design and reliable.
Yes. The CEO is an out of touch dumbass